GH7 Arri LogC Tests - A $2200 Alexa Mini?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- @BlaineWestropp1 #lumixgh7 #arrialexa
In this video we take a quick trip to NYC to test the new Panasonic Lumix GH7 with Arri LogC3 with an Arri Alexa Mini LF.
Blaine's video: • i hunted down a GH7 an...
I miss you bro :(
same bro
The depth of field thing is so interesting in regards to narrative. Shooting shallow is great for a specific *feel* and you can easily mask a lack of budget with it, but because of that, shallow can feel cheap. But when you're forced to shoot deep, you have to concentrate harder on framing and set design, which may make a project feel bigger budget but only if you're good at what you do.
nailed it
I have been talking about this for a long time and some people ( specially in some sector of youtube ) refuse to admit this.
Well said.
@@dutchmilk I have an entire video about it on my main channel
Whoa fancy seeing you here sir
I agreee. The shot on the bed was the one that stood out as being vastly different. ONLY because there was a comparison. Without a compare shot, no one would have noticed. Contrast was better on the Arri too.
Dream team with dream cameras
lets collab next
@@sloppysteaks come to London!!
Funny, I saw Blaine's video first as I didn't know you were going to be in it. So, it was a great surprise to see you two collab. I have the FX30, too. But, that GH7 is looking very nice with the ARRI profile and the other features as well. If I can have both, and make that happen, I would love to. I started on the GH5 myself. So, I can relate to the experience.
Patrick doesn't like cameras anymore... still makes the best camera videos! 🤘
thats the secret... dont tell anyone.
Nice collaboration. Thanks for posting.
Great, video and one of the first ones that compares actual Arri footage, with the GH7 Log-c profile. And as expected they match really well. You can definitely see it doesn't have the same dynamic range as a real Arri, and like you mentioned the limitations of the m43 has to be worked around a bit. But the depth of field issue is easily solved with speed boosters.
I use a Viltrox .71 f-mount to m43 speed booster for my nikon lenes, and I can get crazy blurred out background with my Nikkor 85mm 1.8 (effectively a 120mm f2.5) or my vintage Nikkor 50mm f1.4 which becomes like a 70mm f1.9. All manual focus though.
Would love the see them release a GH7s (like the GH5s) using a lower megapixel oversized mulit-aspect sensor for a wider field or view and better low light performance. Maybe swap out IBIS for internal ND, include the Arri log profile, and that would be a killer camera.
The S1H, S1, S5, S5ii, S5iix highlight rolloff is less “crunchy” as Sony, Nikon and Fuji which made LUMIX clips easier to cut to Arri and Red footage. Only natural that Lumix pursuit an official Arri Log later on. And now we’re here
that's not true for the xh2s
@@smartideas-pedro1690 yeah that’s true definitely better rolloff than the anything X-T from Fuji. XH2S can be cut to Arri footage well, there’s examples online
Liked because I was able to see Blaine smile 😅 !
😊
A beautiful collab👌🏻
Insane crossover episode
Blaine in the wild!
😈
Crossover of the century right here.
You can get a Metabones Speedbooster XL if you want more shallow DOF
Had one. Sold it. Changes the character of your lenses and not in a good way.
@@sloppysteaksdid you do a video about it with comparison? Just curious
@@sloppysteaks I also use one for the gh5 since years and I confirm it changes characteristics of lenses but you could reduce most of the unwanted effects by simply closing the iris. For most scenarios, you won't be able to notice the effects. It would make sense to compare Arri alexa with gh7+XL adapter.
@@xl9119 if you’re closing the IRIS what’s the point of the booster? Plenty of great wide angle MFT lenses. The booster was intended for DOF. It makes no sense to compare them because the booster also adds color shift.
Actually you can get very nice shallow DOF footage with the Oly 25mm Pro f1.2 (50mm f2.4) , the lens is pretty soft wide open at f1.2 (though it has good local contrast) which helps to make the footage more natural. This is my go to lens with the GH6, this combo allow me to get both shallow DOF along with nice colors and skin tones.
This lens works very well with my G9II too (and I think the GH7), the very good AF and IBIS of this camera is perfect for run and gun like when you follow people while getting a nice background blur, but the colors are not as good as the GH6 in my opinion.
plenty of primes for it but good luck getting a good wide of someone with shallow DOF
@@sloppysteaks I agree, it is why I also use full frame cameras with 24mm/35mm f1.4 or f1.2.
I really like the Arri Log profile developed for GH7. I also prefer it to the v-log. But it doesn't look much like the real Arri Log for Alexa profile to me. It's just marketing
Cheers for the comparison video dude!
I was hoping for the colours/skin tones to match closer to each other with the base rec.709 conversion luts but looks like for now at least, they roughly need about as much colour matching post work as any other camera sensor combo. Can’t wait for your tweaks 🙌
It’s a way closer match than any other camera I’ve used.
Great video !
Can we get a sequel to your Denny's Diner video filmed in Arri LogC3?
When I can use my arms again. You got it.
Two years ago, Patrick told me: "just get out of MFT while you can. don't delay the inevitable."
And I agree with that more than ever now. All this stuff will come to full frame before you know it. Wanna crop sensor? It’s the S35 mode of Lumix’s next flagship full frame.
@@sloppysteaks Haha, I feel you. I left M43 a while ago. Just wanted to poke the bear for a second. Keep killin' it man, we appreciate all that you and all the hard work you put into the videos, on BOTH channels ! Cheers.
@@sloppysteaks With the gh7 and Panasonic 14-140, you can have a run-and-gun doc setup that’s weather sealed with incredible OIS+IBIS+E-Stab. There’s no full-frame camera/lens setup with comparable coverage that would be that small/light and/or affordable and definitely not with as good of stabilization.
That’s one reason why, as someone who has shot every sensor size imaginable and thinks most of them have benefits, I believe MFT has a place moving forward (if the companies run their businesses and marketing correctly).
@@markiandolo yeah that doesn't sway me
Just wondering why you guys didn't use the same LUT for the videos. log c means log C. Don't need to use REC709 LUT from Panasonic I guess?
No doubt a Speedbooster and Sigma 18-35 could blur the backgrounds nicely ; )
no thank you
people who are obsessed with bokehs are either 17 year olds who just discovered photography and videography or people who just don't know the essence and the point of filmmaking
Waiting for this👍
Not sold on the highlight rolloff, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. I still think Alex's Emotive Color is the best Arri color space transform (over ACES and this new built-in one) Dope Video though!
This is better than emotive
how about Gh7 + 2x XCALIBER but seriously there should be a log profile choice in every camera
Am I missing something,? Could you not just create a colour space transform Vlog to Arri log lut in davinci and get the same result in camera using the custom lut photostyle? You could even record the same gamma curve. Would be good to see a side by side
not the same
Since the GH5 I've used the GHAlex/Emotive Color conversion from v log to c log. I know it's not the same thing but it is close.
Always found it too magenta
@@sloppysteaksThat’s only because the earlier versions of GHalex had more saturated tones (it was stylized towards film.. plus the GH5's sensor was inconsistent with wavelenghts compared to newer sensors). Also, the Emotive Color color engine (custom program) has been refined to a point where it's now rock solid! For many years, it has been crazy accurate on ALL supported cameras, and there’s absolutely no pink cast whatsoever… it’s pure Alexa goodness! Emotive Color is WAY more accurate straight out of the box than this GH7 after all the tweaks.. I can assure you that. The LogC curve is one thing.. but the colors still need to be aligned with an actual Alev sensor in order to truly look the same. Sure, you can get close manually when you have a side by side comparison with an actual Alexa under the same lighting scenario.. but unless your goal is strictly to pair the GH7 with an Alexa on professionnal shoots, you won't ever get truly accurate results. I’ve been using Emotive Color since 2017 on GH5, then BMPCC6K, S5 and now on the S5IIX with identical results. If you expose and WB properly (most people does not), you get a perfect match all the time without any tweaking. Plus, the Tungsten/4200K versions makes all the differences in the world.. which you don’t get with the GH7. The way i'm seeing it, you get an officially licensed ARRI LogC3 ''CST'' built into the camera for 200$.. nothing more. I still think it's great.. don't get me wrong.. but we can clearly see here that the GH7 with LogC is sooo magenta.. just like it was with V-Log to 709. Plus, you can choose to use the Emotive Color LogC conversion alone and use the official Arri709 LUT if you prefer. It's 65$ vs 200$ for something much more accurate and much more versatile... but nobody believes it or interested in actually testing it against an Alexa just because it's not officially licensed by ARRI and seems too good to be true. Pretty much every reviewers out there who ever reviewed Emotive Color have done it wrong... it's ridiculously frustrating. Plus, the term ''LUT'' now inspires gimmick to most people... Sad reality...
Patrick, please get Emotive Color for your S5II/X, read the PDF carefully to make sure you're using it right, and then make a side by side comparison with an Alexa.. just like this one.. then objectively see the difference.
Well, there's one thing about GH7 and Arri LOG, that's good.
You can carry GH7 as a b-roll camera and care very little about it, and still match shots in post-prod in one click.
Definitely not one click.
@@sloppysteaks color balance, exposure? Or You're trying exotic stuff, like DoF simulations?
@@DenBlendaman what lol they dont look the same
@@sloppysteaks so, when people say that GH7 with LogC3 can be used as a B-cam for Arri-driven projects, they are not correct?
Or You actually can sync footage, just with a lot of work?
@@DenBlendaman it's not 1:1 - anyone saying that hasn't tested it. just watch this video lol
Great information about the GH7 - if i see that correct it is not Blaine in the linked video - check the url of that link! Cheers ;)
I did that on purpose.
@@sloppysteaks love it 🤣👍
Do you think the stabilisation is a big step up from the S5II? Also with consideration of the fact that you can use the e-stab modes on S5II with still a larger sensor area than the 43 sensor. Thanks!
Yeah I do
Yo! Love both of you guys, the video linked in the description is not blaines video? maybe im bad at satire lol
Satire lol
How do you feel about a focal reducer lens converter to get a full frame field of view on the smaller sensor so you get all the advantages of the camera without the MFT small sensor "look"?
waste of time - mucks up every lens you put on it by totally changing the bokeh and character. there's enough MFT glass in the market to cover every focal length. small sensor look is a lack of talent.
Isn't the Arri Log C a bit of a gimmick? Couldn't you match that color science in Davinci resolve using color space transform?
Not the same. You're faking it with a CST and degrading the image.
@@sloppysteaks can you do another test using a colour space transform and see what that difference is? Now I’m curious.
I feel like any degradation in image quality would be negligible
@@sloppysteaks A CST from VLOG to Arri LogC should technically give the same result as recording LogC in camera. Would be interesting to test.
@@RubenStuveling Agree. V Log / Full V Log offers you most flexibility in theory. the Arri Log simply does CST internally.. There is nothing like a "fake color space transformation" . Arri C Log is simply not flat as V Log and when using only 10 bits, you will still lose information when grading. if you could record Vlog in 4:4:4 you should be able to recreate the same image for sure. i
Hey Patrick. I shoot #realestate : spaces, places and some people. When I first started out I disliked about m43 sensor is the sharp lens flares. due to lack of DOF and likely the lens I was using also (bubulious element) overhead lights were killing the shots and shifted over to crop and full frame. I do think RAW internal on a gimbal will be nice but then 60fps will take another crop in RAW. Shooting on Sony EV1 but thinking of the s5II or this GH7 for video work. Thanks for the video!
Yeah you'd be better off grabbing the Leica 9mm.
Of all the GH7 Log C3 stuff I have looked at over the last couple of days, both you and Blaine have answered one CRITICAL question that the other RUclips episodes could not even come close to.
You both compared an Arri camera against a Panasonic camera using the Log C3 colour profile. An apples to apples comparison.
Everybody else I've watched, in RUclips land, has been comparing Panasonic's vLog Colour Profile against Panasonic's Loc C3 Colour Profile. That's nice but it does not really answer the question of how Panasonic's Log C3 Colour Profile stacks up against an Arri camera that uses Log C3 natively including its better hardware and sensor combined.
I am a hobbyist who makes little RUclips projects and the "take-away" lesson that I've learned by watching everybody is that Panasonic's own vLog Colour Profile is a fantastic Colour Profile for my experience and skill set. It would be a waste of money for me to buy the Panasonic Log C3 Colour Profile because I will never get near a real Arri to match footage. If I wanted to emulate the look then I'd do my best in Resolve to get as close as I could.
However if I was a professional trying to match B Roll footage from a sacrificial GH7 mounted to the edge of a fast moving subject with an Arri camera for a professional gig, then the price of the Panasonic Log C3 Colour Profile would be worth the Price Tag when colour grading as I could justify the time saved matching shots.
Bro looks 24 but you get that hint that he’s not at the same time 😆.
Thanks for the interesting video! Would this also work well between the GH7 and the FX30 (or other Sony camera) with the very popular Arri Phantom LUTS by Joel Famularo, to make cutting between the footage seamless and get an Arri-like look?
we didn’t talk about it but anyone with even amateur grading knowledge can match all cameras together now. I’ve shot with Alexa’s and mixed them with everything under the sun.
If this becomes accessible with an S5iix or S5ii, oh boy... that'll be a game changer!
wont happen
Yeah we likely won’t see this until a flagship S model.
@@sloppysteaks that seriously sucks..
Why did they bring this to the GH6 then, I just bought a S5II...
@@financial_age because they know they pissed off GH6 users with this entire camera
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention a speedbooster. Can you do some test with one?
Don’t have one. Doesn’t interest me either sorry.
Do you find that mft lenses provide better stabilization in mft cameras than S35 or full frame glass?
Lumix’s OIS lenses for sure
hmm the Greens on the panasonic still look weird. And there is still too much red in the skintones. I hoped this profile would fix that. But from the looks of it, it doesnt seem to be worth 200$. A blackmagic camera will still blow it out of the water.
couldn’t pay me to use a BM over this haha
In regards to dof, software is getting to the point where this is starting to matter less. Having that arri log c on a LUMIX camera is very appealing to me.
more test fooootttaaggggedee 😂😂
Swimming pools have different blue, otherwise look pretty similar.
Can't speak for others, but I think you shouldn't stress asking about the "big but" of the micro 4/3 sensor...
After all...
I like big buts.
iPhone voice memo app to record audio? Oldest trick in the book
why not on S5IIX also?
What for? V log is V log.
very epic collab 🤝🤝
but i must ask, where did you get those sunglasses?? i need
Gentle Monsters!
@@sloppysteaks omg thank u king
why is it so green?
Alexa is always green
Just slap a color matrix VLOG to ARRI for 50$ on S5II footage and you're done.
Not the same. But you can grade to match if you had to.
The S series will look much closer to the Arrival look.
Arrival look? lol
@@sloppysteaks To his defense Arrival was shot on Arri, hahaha
What filter are you using?
Not using one.
@@sloppysteaks Sorry but explain the blooming effect, I liked it the video looks fire.
@@visualbree I didn’t do anything sorry can’t be more help
Scusate se vi fermo con gli entusiasmi..a me sembra da i confronti che pubblicate che lumix scimmiotta alexa..è un surrogato è un lut che si avvicina mooolto da lontano alla colorimetria di alexa.
Ma credo che qualsiasi fotocamera con un log e un pò di pazienza può avvicinarsi a questo.
Allora mi spiegate tutto questo entusiasmo per una cretinata del genere?..
O panasonic per coprire grosse inrresponsabilità stà sovvenzionando
Yuo tuber per eccitarli a questa cosa o forse mi sfugge l'impareggiabilità di questa fotocamera.
Per favore ditemi che mi sbaglio ma spiegatemi il perchè
It’s easier
Why FX30 over the 3?
better camera
@@sloppysteaks yea, but besides that ;)
apart from the vid, sick outfit man
SPEEDBOOSTER AND NO MORE COMPLAIN. lol Im joking kinda.
Thanks so much - awesome vid!
Hmmm but, anyone else have this issue?
The link to Blaine’s video in the description for some reason links to this video? (Still about LUMIX GH7 - Chanel called: The Lens Only)
ruclips.net/video/_-6wAbAYTGo/видео.htmlsi=2kHYM5bCdHRWdwEb
That’s the joke.
@@sloppysteaks 😅 Whoops - sorry, I’m new to your channel and Blaine’s 🤦♂️ (I’ll get there… 😜).
Thanks so much again - loved the video BTW too!
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