The overlay is incorrect and should read "3x game speed," this run was not played at 4x speed. All of my generation 2 playthroughs are played at 3x speed.
It would be fine at 4x. Not sure if you’re justifying, but you shouldn’t if so! Your time is valuable and the runs are just as valid either way. Nice work!
I have a funny Heracross story: A long time ago, when Emerald was the current game, I thought I'd be cheeky and sneakily use my friends Action Replay to make all of Heracross' stats 999; however I didn't know they maxed out at 256 or whatever and just roll over, so in reality I had a Heracross with terrible stats, and got one-shotted by my friends Pokemon...
@Scott's Thoughts One thing that will help for any future Gen 2 runs: if the pokemon you're using is a physical attacker, make sure its gender is male. In Gen 2 females never get the max Atk IV unless it's a species that is female-only, like Jynx or Kangaskhan. Males aren't guaranteed to have a max Atk IV, but they can have a max Atk IV and typically have higher Atk IV than their female counterparts. Since you're running a randomizer to replace the starter with Heracross, it would be easy as pie to just soft reset if you don't get decent IVs. Pycosites has a gen 2 calculator on their site and is an easy way to check IVs. Just remember that, in Gens 1 and 2, the IVs are 0-15, not 0-31 like later gens. So, for a pokemon like Heracross, I'd want as close to 15 as I could get in both Atk and Spd. Other stats don't have to be maxed, but if they are, that's a bonus. The reason I bring this up is you're using a female Heracross and mentioned that you were disappointed in how much damage she was doing. This is likely because her ATK IV is 0-2 or something low like that.
It's funny how Scott was excited to have gotten the TM for Thief "against psychic types", but then struggles to beat the rival's Haunter at the radio tower quest because he "didn't have any good options" lol
@@luizbezerra4373 It depends on how many fury cutters are already set up. At maximum stacks, 4x resisted fury cutter is better than 2x effective thief Lvl 30 Heracross Fury Cutter vs. Lvl 30 Haunter: 26-31 (27.6 - 32.9%) Lvl 30 Heracross Thief vs. Lvl 30 Haunter: 18-22 (19.1 - 23.4%) The difference is also a bit more in Fury Cutter's favour since the calculator just assumes max EVs for gen 2, which reduces the relative difference between Heracross' better physical attack (125) to its special attack (40).
@@Aquilenne yes, I know, but I guess you just saw how much he was struggling at the radio tower rival battle since he didn’t have enough time to set up enough fury cutters, no?
Or he could do the same but with the Gen2 starters in order to definitively prove that Totodile is the best starter. Rage & Bite/Dig the early game & Surf, Ice Punch & Earthquake in the late game will reign supreme
@@daveshn True, you are right. I happen to not be one of those, but in general you are right and logically he should do gen 1 first. ..But then he can do gen 2 starters as well..
"I don't want this challenge to become too easy by overleveling." Gen 2 puts up one hell of a fight when it comes to just getting levels in general most of the time
@@TheDanishGuyReviews It's entirely possible to beat Red with Pokemon in the level 60 range. You just need good type match-ups against his Pokemon and good strategy. Give a Pokemon like Scyther a few Swords Dance and Agility boosts and he'll sweep Red, even at level 60. I'll generally lead off with Venusaur, or if trading isn't allowed, another grass sleep powder user against Pikachu. Parasect is really good for this because Pikachu will outspeed it (so it won't waste a turn of sleep the turn I put it to sleep) but can't OHKO it and Parasect learns Spore, which is 100% accurate sleep. I'll put it to sleep then swap into my sweeper and set up an Agility first to ensure I'll outspeed Pikachu if it wakes up. Then I'll set up a Swords Dance and continue using Swords dance until either my attack is maxed or Pikachu wakes up. Then I'll sweep the team. With a Pokemon as fast as Scyther, one Agility boost is all that's needed to outspeed the rest of Red's team. You can use other pokemon besides Scyther, but you may need more than one Agility boost at level 60. The biggest hurdle, both literally and figuratively, on Red's team is Snorlax. So that's why you need 2-3 Swords Dances, depending on which pokemon is your sweeper. Scyther + max friendship + Return (move) + 2-3 Swords Dances (3 if Scyther's ATK IV isn't maxed) + 1 Agility will outspeed and one-shot anything on Red's team, even at level 60. Obviously, you'd need Pikachu to stay asleep for a minimum of three turns, if not four, which is definitely possible in Gen 2.
@@james_ford86 Yeah but that requires you to build a whole team from the start just to beat red. Or otherwise get a team just for Red and grind all the way to level 60, which good luck with that in gen 2.
RUclips finally recommended you to me months after watching all of JRose and Mah Dry Bread. It's great to see another challenge runner of the old pokemon games.
Scott, this is my personal favorite pokemon. I appreciate you sharing your personal experiences with this series. I was about 4 when i started with Red, and we have a similar story. It was nice to be able to relate. So thanks dude.
Heracross was my favorite as a 7 year old kid, I never caught one though because I didn't headbutt trees enough. Breloom is my all time favorite pokemon for a similar reason. It hits like a truck, seems weak, but if you have a good moveset on Breloom, it can sweep fights. Also Breloom swept through my first Sapphire playthrough. Wooper into Quagsire is my bae from Gen 2. I beat Red with a 100 level one on my first playthrough. Red/Blue I was some weird 5 y/o savant that trained mindlessly for hours on wild pokemon. I remember my final Yellow version was a level 100 pikachu, charizard, blastoise, venasaur, mewtwo, and butterfree because of the anime. That save file must've had like 900+ hours on it.
Really cool run! I did a solo run of Heracross in Soul Silver, but didn't use any TMs, it's amazing the difference that move variety makes against the elite 4 and Lance, his Dragonites were a massive pain.
I feel like this was your best video from a total point of view. It feels like you are more you and not what you’re used to seeing. Keep it up . Also.... I do kind of like the Kanto gym leaders. I know they’re easier but.. it’s fun to see them getting ground
"Should I even include this content; should I cut it?" RE: Kanto fights. NO. Don't cut your content! If anything, make it longer. This shit is so gd entertaining. The stat graphics along the side. The TM listing along the other side. This little added information is wonderful. Adding the opponent's base stats to the side on tough fights would be a nice touch. The level of detail you get into with the dual videos is insane. Gengar vs Alakazam was easily the best with the level of detail, the procedure on how you determine a winner, the back and forth between how pokemon were doing. Absolutely brilliant.
RUclips algorithm is wierd but let me find you randomly. God dam I love the voice you have and how you explain fights letting me watch with just the noise. Its honestly my favorite way people do these challenges is talking about whats happening.
Nerd Alert: Heracross is based on the Hercules Beetle. The name is a combination of "Her" from Hercules (or Hera from the more antiquated spelling Heracles) and "Cross" refering to the shape at the end of its horn. Female Heracross as of Gen IV no longer have the cross shape horm tip, replacing it with a symbolic heart shape.
12:56 Whitney's normal gym breaks the chain since bug does normal effective gym against normal types. There is a theory that this 3rd gym was supposed to be a dark type gym. This would complete the chain. I think the main fan explanation of why this didn't happen happen are that the dark type had evil connotations and it'd be bad to have a gym focused around that theme. I don't really understand this because the 4th gym is focused around ghost types, but there still has never been a dark type gym in any pokemon game. I think another possible reason is that we haven't encountered any dark type pokemon yet in the wild or in trainer battles by the time we reach goldenrod (gen 2 only has umbreon, murkrow, sneasel, houndoor/houndoom, and tyrannitar) so we might not know how to face off against them, but I don't think it'd be a big deal since you could go back to Ilex Forest to catch bug types.
Awesome video man I love watching your stuff and how into detail you go. I don't mind seeing the fights it doesn't bug me anyway. Not sure bout everyone else. I think your doing a fine job and look forward to more of these :D
Awesome video, Heracross is underused imo since it’s annoying to get him from the trees so it’s nice to see him get some screen time. But also if you are going to do more Gen 2 runs it has some pretty broken mechanics (tho not as broken as gen one). Gen 1 had the badge boost glitch, but Gen 2 had the “STAB badge boost” so once you beat a gym leader, all moves of that type get a 12.5% boost on top of the normal badge boost for attack. So after beating Bugsy Heracross had a 10 power Fury Cutter that got Stab and 12.5 STAB badge boost and 12.5% regular badge boost. Making it a base 19 power move that doubles every time up to 320. Gen 2: also introduced several useful held items: Mysteryberries (can be used outside of battle and also grown) restore 5pp to a move. You can collect these in case you need more ethers/ elixirs. Also the Beserk Gene, it’s a held item that confuses you but ups your attack by 2 stages making a high attack power Pokémon basically invincible if it attacks (so you can beat Red without power leveling)
At 15:06 what do you mean your moveset hasn't improved against ghosts? You just got the TM for Thief, which Heracross can learn. Why didn't you use Thief?
Great video! I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel a few weeks ago! If you’re open to suggestions smoochum would be interesting and you could name it Elmira from tiny toons because she always smooched that cat.
So about Blue giving out the Earth Badge. In Japanese Blue is known as Green, and the Earth Badge was called the Green Badge. The connection to Giovanni, as an aside, is his Japanese name is Sakaki, and the badge is in the shape of either a branch or leaf from the plant from which he gets his name.
Too bad you couldn't teach that Beetle Thief huh! :O That would've handled the pesky-ghost types ;) But I've been there myself, it was still awesome to see him steam roll through the game, the little jokes in between made it both awesome as entertaining to watch! I'd totally suggest a slugma run; It's fierce, difficult but so worth it! If you do, name it Sluggy! After my own slug who kicked red of the mountain ;)
I approve of the sandshrew run, GL ;) I called mine "The one" as a star wars refence because I'm binging it rn, would be awesome if you can name it "Anakin" to continue the star wars reference :')
Fury Cutter is great in GSC especially because you get the badge boost from Morty and Heracross gets stab on it too. It's used in the speedrun to beat Whitney, I think with a level 21 Croconaw. Your e4 moveset was pretty good, Return does a lot more damage then Headbutt but the flinches are worth it in a lot of situations
I honestly never knew you could name the rival anything else for years and always thought you had to get to burned tower when you finally get to name him. Turns out I was just dumb. Glad I wasn't the only one who did this.
6:25 dude the sudowoodo is a wild pokemon, it doesnt use strategy it just picks moves at random xD also rock throw would be neutral on heracross since bug has a weakness to rock and therefore cancels the fighting resistance. also you dont even have to fight it anyway, you can just run from it.
I don't think there is but is there a tm for rock slide in this game? I remember this monster rock sliding me one time. I thought for sure you would run into a wall with the steel psychic type Venomoth, but I guess the beetle is faster than the moth. Its cool seeing this solo challenge. I'm currently doing baton pass cheese the the eeveeloutions.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Sad. Gen 1 exclusive lol. Its in the romhack i'm playing. There is a move tutor and event tutor that basically gives every pokemon access to broken moves early on. Like my farfetched that knows aeroblast.
Challenge Idea: No attacking moves! Any move that deals damage directly is not allowed. No items allowed in battle, held items are okay. This would mean you have to use status moves in order to progress! Gen 2 or gen 2 remake with the goal of defeating red. Second Idea: Shake it Up Rules: 1: Create a list of all pokemon you can currently catch. 2: Randomize 3 pokemon from that list. 3: These 3 pokemon will be your team until you defeat the next gym leader. 4: Remove these pokemon and their evolutionary line from the list. 5: Repeat the process! Extra Rules: In combat you may only use held items and pokeballs. Once you give a pokemon a held item, you cannot take it away even if you release it. You can keep old pokemon for Hm slave duty.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I saw you switched up moves and lost to a haunter bc the move reset, just didn't know if you knew it had to be consistent or not. Just learned that myself actually!
I used sandshrew for a nuzlocke run, it became one of my favorites. I named it shrewnobi and used moves that were ninja-esque, scratch/slash, dig(was gen1), toxic, and sand attack/double team. I nearly sweeped the champion fight with it, but his venusaur somehow landed a crit razor leaf against 6 double teams after narrowly surviving a dig. Was a sad day.
I'm pretty sure heracross is suppose to be a Hercules beetle or some form of rhinoceros beetle not a stag beetle that's what Pinsir is. As for my Rival on Red/blue I typically went with b*tch because it was hilarious to read Prof. Oak say "calm down bitch and wait your turn"... But I always mixed the name up like that
wow this guy is great at the game. he really has a good thought process around the game and he puts together really intelligently done videos. the data and the methodology and stuff is rigorous and we trust his results.
My female Meganium had Attract, Toxic, Body Slam (don't bother with stab grass moves) and Leech Seed with a Leftovers. Too bad Meganium has to get Leech Seed as an egg move. That Leech Seed female Meganium was for the Battle Tower challenge after being Baton Passed via Double Team Girafirig.
@@luciusirving5926 stab razor leaf (later giga drain) really are doing good so far. I'm at Red, lvl 87, pink bow held item, return, giga drain, eq & hidden power fire. Took down E4 at lvl 60 Edit: defeated red with lvl89 meganium, 4th attempt
So something that I was wondering about, did you forget that you had Thief? Since Dark type is super effective against Ghosts It probably would have been the better call instead of gambling with Hidden Power. Also, while you did have Megahorn for Sabrina and some of the other psychic types, due to their low defense Return was probably the better call, no need to gamble with the miss chance if you're going to OHKO either way! It was also fun to watch the editted commentary in the form of the reaction images and all, I had fun with the sort of double commentary that was going on for Karen, and also enjoyed you slowing things down for round 2 of Gengar! I imagine you were probably thinking of Gen 3+ for Gengar the first time around where it has Levitate?
@@Medabee8 Yeah, but in the video that specific ghost pokemon actually gave him trouble and he used Hidden Power against them, which turned out to be Hidden Power Poison and not very effective, even though he already had Thief.
Without watching the video, having Heracross relatively early on in my experience allows you to basically stomp everyone. But as everyone's levels increase around you it's impact diminishes but still a pretty damn good pokemon and one of my favourites!
Hey can I ask why you aren't playing Crystal? It has a few extra battles and you can't skip the burnt tower rival fight (yes it's skippable IN Gold and Silver) Extra fights include Euisune. Some sages and Suicune. Also they are fixing the 3D model of the Typhlosion line. If you haven't seen the trailer of Legends Arceus Cyndaquil has flames
You asked what the lowest level we've beaten Whitney at. I've done it with a level 16 kedabra. Kedabra is just brokenly good. I think I've done it with a level 18 machop too. The one you get from trading.
I'd highly recommend trying linoone. It's super fun, because it's absolutely underrated in the eraly game, falls off pretty hard in mid/late game, but at that point the movepool more than makes up for it. bellydrum, substitute strats completely destroy the E4 in Gen3.
5:56 - I’m in a weird not-technicality, but my answer is Levels 12 and 16. To elaborate, I’ve been using Pokémon Showdown (playing against myself so the NPC trainers would be as brutal as possible) to test how the rivals in the games can handle their resident Gym matches and Champion runs. In my most accurate iteration to date (I outsourced someone else to emulate the game hacked and catch the Pokémon of important non-Team Rocket trainers in both Gold and Crystal to glimpse their stats), I used Silver’s Azalea Town team to 2v2 Whitney. I went with the strategy of putting Reflect up on a sleeping Clefairy with Bayleef (his apparent canon Starter pick) before knocking it out, hitting Miltank with a non-crit Razor Leaf while baiting Attract-Stomp shenanigans, pivoting back to Gastly to soak up either Attract or Rollout (after a Stomp fail), and subduing Miltank with Hypnosis. At that point, I swap back to Bayleef and pray to RNGesus that the sleep holds for its maximum of four turns. Then it’s just a matter of scoring three consecutive Razor Leaf attacks dead on, with at least two of them being Critical Hits, to just barely make the knock-out. Fun fact about Whitney’s Miltank: it has 0 DVs in either HP or Attack (plus no EVs investment like basically every other NPC in the game). Game Freak gimped her as hard as they could and she’s still a force to be reckoned with. If that bodacious bovine had any sort of meaningful offensive or vitality investment, the only way I could win were if all three Razor Leafs at the end hit as Crits.
sudowoodo is a play on words by the way, as in 'pseudo-wood' because he's a rock type pretending to be a tree (worked on me i was convinced he was rock-grass type for years)
Stantler in Gen 2. If a Girl, Titania. If a Boy Eikthyr. While its movepool isn't as good in Gen 2 as it gets later, its still got some all right coverage and so you shouldn't get stonewalled by Ghosts.
What i always found strange about the Gym Challenge in Johto is both the selection of Types and Pokemon. 1. And most obvious: there is no Dark Type Gym 2. Although there are new Pokemon of all types, neither Falkner nor Bugsy nor Morty nor Chuck use any gen2 pokemon. Especially Bugsy seems out of line, since there are a lot of new and also edition-specific bug types. The Lack of a Dark Type Gym might be explained by the fact that there is only 1 Pokemon with Dark-Monotyping, but neither magnemite nor steelix are steel-monotype either, it really seems off
It's one of the frustrations with Gold/Silver/Crystal that trainers and gym leaders in Kanto are more likely to have a Johto pokemon than Johto trainers and gym leaders. The lack of a Dark Type gym might be in part as it would overlap fully with Karen (I also still feel that Bellossom would have worked better as Grass/Dark instead of a 3rd Johto pure Grass line) but there is also no Ground gym since Blue just has a mixed team.
At 26:54 you had 46HP and used rest. Snorlax laid in 3 body slams while heracross slept and returned it to 46HP. What are the chances? Lol. Watching you forget to use megahorn on psychic pokemon was disappointing, then you hit reds espeon with it and I cheered out loud. 😆 Lastly, yes, I enjoy the Kanto battles as well. Id love to do these challenges but can't. I want all the info about it whether insignificant or not. Full support. All in.
I know jrose has a "how fast you can beat pokemon (insert game name here)" series, but I would like to see one as well for the gen 2 GBC games starting with the dog trio then moving onto box legends.
about Pryce being weak, i read somewhere that the gym leaders progression in gen 2 feels whacky because it's not linear after the 3rd one: most people will do the west side of the map after getting Surf first so Pryce as the 6th gym will feel so easier but given that you could also do the Lake and rocket first you'll end up overpowered vs Jasmine. To give players choice of where to go first they put the 4th 5th and 6th gyms with squad lvl in the 30s and i believe it's widely perceived by the community that the attempt to have a story less streamlined like gen 1 ended up being worse because the progression feels so off and weaker compared to a Koga/Sabrina as 5th or 6th gym fight :(
Yep the "intended" way is to beat Morty as the 4th gym but it's perfectly doable to beat Pryce as the 4th and then Morty as 5th as long as you have ways to deal with ice and water pokemon. After beating Whitney quite a bit of Johto is available which is a good time to pick up a few new party members.
A strong Hidden Power typing would have made things so much easier for Heracross. I am going to re-do this run at some point! So then we will see what sort of difference it makes. (Also, how much experience really matters.)
The overlay is incorrect and should read "3x game speed," this run was not played at 4x speed. All of my generation 2 playthroughs are played at 3x speed.
It would be fine at 4x. Not sure if you’re justifying, but you shouldn’t if so!
Your time is valuable and the runs are just as valid either way.
Nice work!
I have a funny Heracross story:
A long time ago, when Emerald was the current game, I thought I'd be cheeky and sneakily use my friends Action Replay to make all of Heracross' stats 999; however I didn't know they maxed out at 256 or whatever and just roll over, so in reality I had a Heracross with terrible stats, and got one-shotted by my friends Pokemon...
@Scott's Thoughts One thing that will help for any future Gen 2 runs: if the pokemon you're using is a physical attacker, make sure its gender is male. In Gen 2 females never get the max Atk IV unless it's a species that is female-only, like Jynx or Kangaskhan. Males aren't guaranteed to have a max Atk IV, but they can have a max Atk IV and typically have higher Atk IV than their female counterparts. Since you're running a randomizer to replace the starter with Heracross, it would be easy as pie to just soft reset if you don't get decent IVs. Pycosites has a gen 2 calculator on their site and is an easy way to check IVs. Just remember that, in Gens 1 and 2, the IVs are 0-15, not 0-31 like later gens. So, for a pokemon like Heracross, I'd want as close to 15 as I could get in both Atk and Spd. Other stats don't have to be maxed, but if they are, that's a bonus.
The reason I bring this up is you're using a female Heracross and mentioned that you were disappointed in how much damage she was doing. This is likely because her ATK IV is 0-2 or something low like that.
It's funny how Scott was excited to have gotten the TM for Thief "against psychic types", but then struggles to beat the rival's Haunter at the radio tower quest because he "didn't have any good options" lol
It’s special in gen 2 so it’s very garbage damage I think. Fury cutter is probably better vs ghosts and psychics
@@ZeroThreeJuice fury cutter is 4x resisted by gastly, haunter, gengar
@@ZeroThreeJuice still better than a 4x resisted Fury Cutter
@@luizbezerra4373 It depends on how many fury cutters are already set up. At maximum stacks, 4x resisted fury cutter is better than 2x effective thief
Lvl 30 Heracross Fury Cutter vs. Lvl 30 Haunter: 26-31 (27.6 - 32.9%)
Lvl 30 Heracross Thief vs. Lvl 30 Haunter: 18-22 (19.1 - 23.4%)
The difference is also a bit more in Fury Cutter's favour since the calculator just assumes max EVs for gen 2, which reduces the relative difference between Heracross' better physical attack (125) to its special attack (40).
@@Aquilenne yes, I know, but I guess you just saw how much he was struggling at the radio tower rival battle since he didn’t have enough time to set up enough fury cutters, no?
You should do a three way gen 1 race between all three of the starters. I guarantee you that will get a ton of views.
Could really get his channel out there
Or he could do the same but with the Gen2 starters in order to definitively prove that Totodile is the best starter.
Rage & Bite/Dig the early game & Surf, Ice Punch & Earthquake in the late game will reign supreme
@@Dahxelb More people are die-hard for their favorite gen 1 starter than their favorite gen 2 starter.
@@daveshn True, you are right. I happen to not be one of those, but in general you are right and logically he should do gen 1 first.
..But then he can do gen 2 starters as well..
Don't you mean a Fatal Four Way since there are 4 Starters?
"I don't want this challenge to become too easy by overleveling."
Gen 2 puts up one hell of a fight when it comes to just getting levels in general most of the time
Agreed. I couldn't beat Red on my first time beating Gold, because all my Mons were like in their 60s.
Victory Road is fine enough for me.
@@TheDanishGuyReviews It's entirely possible to beat Red with Pokemon in the level 60 range. You just need good type match-ups against his Pokemon and good strategy. Give a Pokemon like Scyther a few Swords Dance and Agility boosts and he'll sweep Red, even at level 60. I'll generally lead off with Venusaur, or if trading isn't allowed, another grass sleep powder user against Pikachu. Parasect is really good for this because Pikachu will outspeed it (so it won't waste a turn of sleep the turn I put it to sleep) but can't OHKO it and Parasect learns Spore, which is 100% accurate sleep. I'll put it to sleep then swap into my sweeper and set up an Agility first to ensure I'll outspeed Pikachu if it wakes up. Then I'll set up a Swords Dance and continue using Swords dance until either my attack is maxed or Pikachu wakes up. Then I'll sweep the team. With a Pokemon as fast as Scyther, one Agility boost is all that's needed to outspeed the rest of Red's team. You can use other pokemon besides Scyther, but you may need more than one Agility boost at level 60. The biggest hurdle, both literally and figuratively, on Red's team is Snorlax. So that's why you need 2-3 Swords Dances, depending on which pokemon is your sweeper.
Scyther + max friendship + Return (move) + 2-3 Swords Dances (3 if Scyther's ATK IV isn't maxed) + 1 Agility will outspeed and one-shot anything on Red's team, even at level 60. Obviously, you'd need Pikachu to stay asleep for a minimum of three turns, if not four, which is definitely possible in Gen 2.
@@james_ford86 Oh yeah, definitely. I just couldn't be bothered to do that.
@@james_ford86 Yeah but that requires you to build a whole team from the start just to beat red. Or otherwise get a team just for Red and grind all the way to level 60, which good luck with that in gen 2.
RUclips finally recommended you to me months after watching all of JRose and Mah Dry Bread. It's great to see another challenge runner of the old pokemon games.
Scott, this is my personal favorite pokemon.
I appreciate you sharing your personal experiences with this series. I was about 4 when i started with Red, and we have a similar story. It was nice to be able to relate. So thanks dude.
I can’t wait to try this one again and get Heracross a better time!
Heracross is one of my favorite pokemon and seeing this makes my day
Heracross was my favorite as a 7 year old kid, I never caught one though because I didn't headbutt trees enough.
Breloom is my all time favorite pokemon for a similar reason. It hits like a truck, seems weak, but if you have a good moveset on Breloom, it can sweep fights.
Also Breloom swept through my first Sapphire playthrough.
Wooper into Quagsire is my bae from Gen 2. I beat Red with a 100 level one on my first playthrough.
Red/Blue I was some weird 5 y/o savant that trained mindlessly for hours on wild pokemon. I remember my final Yellow version was a level 100 pikachu, charizard, blastoise, venasaur, mewtwo, and butterfree because of the anime.
That save file must've had like 900+ hours on it.
Same with me
Pokémon with 4 times weaknesses are the most interesting when it comes to these challenges. Really looking forward to the sneasel run.
Can't do it in this gen, all his move are special and his special attack stat is 45. Compared to it's attack of 124. So it would do little damage.
Possible it is. Just very hard. becauce no strong stabs. Shadow Ball and Slash probaly would be used the most
@@Acacius1992 And of course Headbutt for the early game, that move is great on any physical attacker
Sneasel is horrendous
It will need to be minimum lvl 70 to beat bruno
@@damion19967 Still, it has good physical attack, and can use moves like shadow ball, iron tail, dig and return(duh), so it is not as bad as it looks.
I appreciate you talking about the Johto gyms. Even if only briefly. In fact, I appreciate you narrating a lot of the stuff in between gyms.
I did the ??? thing... didn't realize so much of the pokemon fandom was just as autistically literal as i am xD
I mean, many of us were kids. We took the game at its word!
@@nsiems09 tbf i guess this was before i found out half the type matchups in rby were LIES
But it comes right after the professor asks what your name is... obviously it's the same thing but for the rival.... what in the world lmao
@@cashnelson2306 bruh I'm super autistic leave me alone xD
Whitney better watch out... there’s a new sheriff in town.
Heracross is my favorite Pokémon of all time! I even have a tattoo of him! I’m so happy you spoke positively of him :) I typically name mine Achilles
I like seeing the Kanto gym leader fights, even if the fights aren't close its still nostalgic
Really cool run!
I did a solo run of Heracross in Soul Silver, but didn't use any TMs, it's amazing the difference that move variety makes against the elite 4 and Lance, his Dragonites were a massive pain.
I feel like this was your best video from a total point of view. It feels like you are more you and not what you’re used to seeing. Keep it up . Also.... I do kind of like the Kanto gym leaders. I know they’re easier but.. it’s fun to see them getting ground
"Should I even include this content; should I cut it?" RE: Kanto fights. NO. Don't cut your content! If anything, make it longer. This shit is so gd entertaining. The stat graphics along the side. The TM listing along the other side. This little added information is wonderful. Adding the opponent's base stats to the side on tough fights would be a nice touch. The level of detail you get into with the dual videos is insane. Gengar vs Alakazam was easily the best with the level of detail, the procedure on how you determine a winner, the back and forth between how pokemon were doing. Absolutely brilliant.
I’m working on finding a way to squeeze more info on the screen! I’ve got a few ideas.
RUclips algorithm is wierd but let me find you randomly. God dam I love the voice you have and how you explain fights letting me watch with just the noise. Its honestly my favorite way people do these challenges is talking about whats happening.
yeah, scott is super underrated. hope he gets more and more fans
I don't know why, but your challenge runs are really chill to listen to. Kinda like a lo-fi Pikasprey.
Heracross is so cool! Wish he could've had an evolution like Scizor AND THEN a mega. But either way, he's a fun character I connected to in the anime.
The name 'Sudowoodo' is a play on 'psuedo wood' as the Pokémon itself mimics wood so I'd say it as 'Psuedowoodo'
Nerd Alert: Heracross is based on the Hercules Beetle. The name is a combination of "Her" from Hercules (or Hera from the more antiquated spelling Heracles) and "Cross" refering to the shape at the end of its horn.
Female Heracross as of Gen IV no longer have the cross shape horm tip, replacing it with a symbolic heart shape.
Could have swore it looked more like a Rhinoceros Beetle
12:56 Whitney's normal gym breaks the chain since bug does normal effective gym against normal types. There is a theory that this 3rd gym was supposed to be a dark type gym. This would complete the chain. I think the main fan explanation of why this didn't happen happen are that the dark type had evil connotations and it'd be bad to have a gym focused around that theme. I don't really understand this because the 4th gym is focused around ghost types, but there still has never been a dark type gym in any pokemon game. I think another possible reason is that we haven't encountered any dark type pokemon yet in the wild or in trainer battles by the time we reach goldenrod (gen 2 only has umbreon, murkrow, sneasel, houndoor/houndoom, and tyrannitar) so we might not know how to face off against them, but I don't think it'd be a big deal since you could go back to Ilex Forest to catch bug types.
Also, the only fights worth showing after the Elite 4 are Blue and Red. All the Kanto gym fights other than Blue are easier than the elite 4.
Just discovered your channel sir :) you really make these challenges very interesting to watch! Keep up the great work
Awesome video man I love watching your stuff and how into detail you go.
I don't mind seeing the fights it doesn't bug me anyway. Not sure bout everyone else.
I think your doing a fine job and look forward to more of these :D
Just found this channel and I can’t stop watching
Glad that I wasn't the only one to call the rival '???' Love Heracross, and the channel, keep it up:)
i really like these single pokemon runs! it also helps that heracross is one of my favorite pokemon, i VERY much enjoyed this run
I really want to try this one again! I can do so much better with Heracross now!
Awesome video, Heracross is underused imo since it’s annoying to get him from the trees so it’s nice to see him get some screen time.
But also if you are going to do more Gen 2 runs it has some pretty broken mechanics (tho not as broken as gen one). Gen 1 had the badge boost glitch, but Gen 2 had the “STAB badge boost” so once you beat a gym leader, all moves of that type get a 12.5% boost on top of the normal badge boost for attack. So after beating Bugsy Heracross had a 10 power Fury Cutter that got Stab and 12.5 STAB badge boost and 12.5% regular badge boost. Making it a base 19 power move that doubles every time up to 320.
Gen 2: also introduced several useful held items: Mysteryberries (can be used outside of battle and also grown) restore 5pp to a move. You can collect these in case you need more ethers/ elixirs. Also the Beserk Gene, it’s a held item that confuses you but ups your attack by 2 stages making a high attack power Pokémon basically invincible if it attacks (so you can beat Red without power leveling)
PaPaSea thought Heracross was an unexpected MVP of the "Beating HeartGold as Nintendo Intended" video, so l'm not surprised you have no issues.
Hell yeah, Heracross is my favorite. Always a place for him on my team.
At 15:06 what do you mean your moveset hasn't improved against ghosts? You just got the TM for Thief, which Heracross can learn. Why didn't you use Thief?
Agreed
Maybe Fury Cutter was always meant to be used against Whitney’s Miltank along and many of us just didn’t know it.
Great video! I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel a few weeks ago! If you’re open to suggestions smoochum would be interesting and you could name it Elmira from tiny toons because she always smooched that cat.
It's crazy how good pinsir and heracross are
I would absolutely love an aerodactyl run, maybe the name of Terry or something dumb like that
Heracross is my favorite pokemon of all time, so I'm really glad to see this video!
Lol next is Chuck right as he chucks a poke ball lol 😆 I love u ma dude
I laughed quite alot at this 1 lol
Great new vid, absolutely loving these and how detailed they are!
So about Blue giving out the Earth Badge. In Japanese Blue is known as Green, and the Earth Badge was called the Green Badge. The connection to Giovanni, as an aside, is his Japanese name is Sakaki, and the badge is in the shape of either a branch or leaf from the plant from which he gets his name.
That fury cutter is not going to “Cut” it here! Lol 😂
"Seel. Really? That's the creative name you came up with for your seal pokemon? Come on." Meanwhile naming his beetle pokemon beetle lol 😂
Heracross is a beast, and this video shows why.
Too bad you couldn't teach that Beetle Thief huh! :O
That would've handled the pesky-ghost types ;)
But I've been there myself, it was still awesome to see him steam roll through the game, the little jokes in between made it both awesome as entertaining to watch!
I'd totally suggest a slugma run; It's fierce, difficult but so worth it!
If you do, name it Sluggy! After my own slug who kicked red of the mountain ;)
He could have, but he decided not to. Thief being a special move with a base power of only 40 makes it super bad when used by a Heracross
I approve of the sandshrew run, GL ;) I called mine "The one" as a star wars refence because I'm binging it rn, would be awesome if you can name it "Anakin" to continue the star wars reference :')
I'd like to see Dratini/Dragonite roll through Johto. That'd be cool as heck. Also Larvitar/Tyranitar.
Dragonite vs tyranitar race
So, I just discovered this channel, and I love your content!
Fury Cutter is great in GSC especially because you get the badge boost from Morty and Heracross gets stab on it too. It's used in the speedrun to beat Whitney, I think with a level 21 Croconaw. Your e4 moveset was pretty good, Return does a lot more damage then Headbutt but the flinches are worth it in a lot of situations
I would honestly love a Ponyta run. For some reason I really love that Pokémon.
That was the first pokemon card I ever got in a pack.
I honestly never knew you could name the rival anything else for years and always thought you had to get to burned tower when you finally get to name him. Turns out I was just dumb. Glad I wasn't the only one who did this.
6:25 dude the sudowoodo is a wild pokemon, it doesnt use strategy it just picks moves at random xD also rock throw would be neutral on heracross since bug has a weakness to rock and therefore cancels the fighting resistance. also you dont even have to fight it anyway, you can just run from it.
I called the rival Larry because he had sideburns and my brother used to call me sideburn Larry as a joke lmao
I don't think there is but is there a tm for rock slide in this game? I remember this monster rock sliding me one time. I thought for sure you would run into a wall with the steel psychic type Venomoth, but I guess the beetle is faster than the moth. Its cool seeing this solo challenge. I'm currently doing baton pass cheese the the eeveeloutions.
No TM for Rock Slide in this game :(
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Sad. Gen 1 exclusive lol. Its in the romhack i'm playing. There is a move tutor and event tutor that basically gives every pokemon access to broken moves early on. Like my farfetched that knows aeroblast.
This beast is going to wipe the floor on elite 4, reds charizard may be a bit of an obstacle but easy otherwise have fun!
Challenge Idea:
No attacking moves! Any move that deals damage directly is not allowed. No items allowed in battle, held items are okay. This would mean you have to use status moves in order to progress!
Gen 2 or gen 2 remake with the goal of defeating red.
Second Idea:
Shake it Up
Rules:
1: Create a list of all pokemon you can currently catch.
2: Randomize 3 pokemon from that list.
3: These 3 pokemon will be your team until you defeat the next gym leader.
4: Remove these pokemon and their evolutionary line from the list.
5: Repeat the process!
Extra Rules: In combat you may only use held items and pokeballs.
Once you give a pokemon a held item, you cannot take it away even if you release it.
You can keep old pokemon for Hm slave duty.
You know you have to use fury cutter consistently for it to build right?
Yes
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I saw you switched up moves and lost to a haunter bc the move reset, just didn't know if you knew it had to be consistent or not. Just learned that myself actually!
Heracross is such a badass beetle.
I used sandshrew for a nuzlocke run, it became one of my favorites. I named it shrewnobi and used moves that were ninja-esque, scratch/slash, dig(was gen1), toxic, and sand attack/double team. I nearly sweeped the champion fight with it, but his venusaur somehow landed a crit razor leaf against 6 double teams after narrowly surviving a dig. Was a sad day.
I'm pretty sure heracross is suppose to be a Hercules beetle or some form of rhinoceros beetle not a stag beetle that's what Pinsir is. As for my Rival on Red/blue I typically went with b*tch because it was hilarious to read Prof. Oak say "calm down bitch and wait your turn"... But I always mixed the name up like that
Heracross is awesome. One of my favourite Pokémon and one of the reasons the Johto dex is one of my favourites, along with Scizor.
wow this guy is great at the game. he really has a good thought process around the game and he puts together really intelligently done videos. the data and the methodology and stuff is rigorous and we trust his results.
Buggernaut is the best and most appropriate nickname for Heracross
How about Meganium solo in gold and silver? I'm doing mine after discovering your channel yesterday. Love the vs style of your runs, keep them up
My female Meganium had Attract, Toxic, Body Slam (don't bother with stab grass moves) and Leech Seed with a Leftovers. Too bad Meganium has to get Leech Seed as an egg move.
That Leech Seed female Meganium was for the Battle Tower challenge after being Baton Passed via Double Team Girafirig.
@@luciusirving5926 stab razor leaf (later giga drain) really are doing good so far. I'm at Red, lvl 87, pink bow held item, return, giga drain, eq & hidden power fire. Took down E4 at lvl 60
Edit: defeated red with lvl89 meganium, 4th attempt
So something that I was wondering about, did you forget that you had Thief? Since Dark type is super effective against Ghosts It probably would have been the better call instead of gambling with Hidden Power. Also, while you did have Megahorn for Sabrina and some of the other psychic types, due to their low defense Return was probably the better call, no need to gamble with the miss chance if you're going to OHKO either way!
It was also fun to watch the editted commentary in the form of the reaction images and all, I had fun with the sort of double commentary that was going on for Karen, and also enjoyed you slowing things down for round 2 of Gengar! I imagine you were probably thinking of Gen 3+ for Gengar the first time around where it has Levitate?
By the time you get Thief, there is only 1 mandatory ghost you have to beat before you can get earthquake, I'm pretty sure
@@Medabee8 Yeah, but in the video that specific ghost pokemon actually gave him trouble and he used Hidden Power against them, which turned out to be Hidden Power Poison and not very effective, even though he already had Thief.
Have you done Wobbuffet yet? That sounds interesting Predicting opponents moves to correctly use Counter/Mirror Coat
I wonder, how would Heracross fair in Gen 1 or as a starter in Firered/Leafgreen?
Do you think you could do a forretress or misdreavus run , if you want?
These are planned.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon can't wait!
Without watching the video, having Heracross relatively early on in my experience allows you to basically stomp everyone. But as everyone's levels increase around you it's impact diminishes but still a pretty damn good pokemon and one of my favourites!
It's the Ilex Forest. Haha. Good run!
I loved Heracross in the anime. Not sure how it is in the games. But I would love to use it once.
Hey can I ask why you aren't playing Crystal? It has a few extra battles and you can't skip the burnt tower rival fight (yes it's skippable IN Gold and Silver)
Extra fights include Euisune. Some sages and Suicune.
Also they are fixing the 3D model of the Typhlosion line. If you haven't seen the trailer of Legends Arceus Cyndaquil has flames
Eternal pog if you beat Red with a Tangela. Name suggestion is Gordian (as in a Gordian Knot)
You asked what the lowest level we've beaten Whitney at.
I've done it with a level 16 kedabra. Kedabra is just brokenly good.
I think I've done it with a level 18 machop too. The one you get from trading.
I'd highly recommend trying linoone. It's super fun, because it's absolutely underrated in the eraly game, falls off pretty hard in mid/late game, but at that point the movepool more than makes up for it. bellydrum, substitute strats completely destroy the E4 in Gen3.
How about Furret? Now THAT's an underrated badass starting Normal type.
5:56 - I’m in a weird not-technicality, but my answer is Levels 12 and 16.
To elaborate, I’ve been using Pokémon Showdown (playing against myself so the NPC trainers would be as brutal as possible) to test how the rivals in the games can handle their resident Gym matches and Champion runs. In my most accurate iteration to date (I outsourced someone else to emulate the game hacked and catch the Pokémon of important non-Team Rocket trainers in both Gold and Crystal to glimpse their stats), I used Silver’s Azalea Town team to 2v2 Whitney. I went with the strategy of putting Reflect up on a sleeping Clefairy with Bayleef (his apparent canon Starter pick) before knocking it out, hitting Miltank with a non-crit Razor Leaf while baiting Attract-Stomp shenanigans, pivoting back to Gastly to soak up either Attract or Rollout (after a Stomp fail), and subduing Miltank with Hypnosis. At that point, I swap back to Bayleef and pray to RNGesus that the sleep holds for its maximum of four turns. Then it’s just a matter of scoring three consecutive Razor Leaf attacks dead on, with at least two of them being Critical Hits, to just barely make the knock-out.
Fun fact about Whitney’s Miltank: it has 0 DVs in either HP or Attack (plus no EVs investment like basically every other NPC in the game). Game Freak gimped her as hard as they could and she’s still a force to be reckoned with. If that bodacious bovine had any sort of meaningful offensive or vitality investment, the only way I could win were if all three Razor Leafs at the end hit as Crits.
My favorite pokemon of all time! When I was little I would always name my heracross Weapon X
sudowoodo is a play on words by the way, as in 'pseudo-wood' because he's a rock type pretending to be a tree (worked on me i was convinced he was rock-grass type for years)
Gotta love the comment on Counter and Reversal not being that desirable, then using both to win some major fights. =3
14:22 sould have used Return here.
Have You done a Hoothoot only run? If you do, name the Hoothoot Nosleep
Also isn't the 3rd rival battle optional in GS? I thought it was only mandatory in Crystal
It's optional. I just like doing it...
Stantler in Gen 2. If a Girl, Titania. If a Boy Eikthyr.
While its movepool isn't as good in Gen 2 as it gets later, its still got some all right coverage and so you shouldn't get stonewalled by Ghosts.
liked the video a lot, excited to watch the rest of your pokemon challenges.
When I was young I thought the rival’s name was ???
Now as an adult I realise it must have been Josh and he’s had to remove his name.
1:40 "I don't want this challenge to become too easy by overleveling."
Arh the headbutt pokemon!
And by the way -
Struggle also hits ghost type pokemon as it is a no-type move starting from gen 2.
Sandy the sandshrew. Sandra. Sands. ShrewdCust.
Thanks for the consistently awesome runs! :)
Scott, I really think you should do that Sneasle run next. I don't think I have used one either, and agree that it's pretty cool!
curious to see how well heracross does on a re-do. he's always been one of my favorites
Me too. Can't wait to try it!
Bug types are the best
“E Licks” Forest
The dry humor is so refreshing
I love ur stories man your a great teller keep it up
What i always found strange about the Gym Challenge in Johto is both the selection of Types and Pokemon.
1. And most obvious: there is no Dark Type Gym
2. Although there are new Pokemon of all types, neither Falkner nor Bugsy nor Morty nor Chuck use any gen2 pokemon. Especially Bugsy seems out of line, since there are a lot of new and also edition-specific bug types.
The Lack of a Dark Type Gym might be explained by the fact that there is only 1 Pokemon with Dark-Monotyping, but neither magnemite nor steelix are steel-monotype either, it really seems off
It's one of the frustrations with Gold/Silver/Crystal that trainers and gym leaders in Kanto are more likely to have a Johto pokemon than Johto trainers and gym leaders. The lack of a Dark Type gym might be in part as it would overlap fully with Karen (I also still feel that Bellossom would have worked better as Grass/Dark instead of a 3rd Johto pure Grass line) but there is also no Ground gym since Blue just has a mixed team.
At 26:54 you had 46HP and used rest. Snorlax laid in 3 body slams while heracross slept and returned it to 46HP.
What are the chances? Lol.
Watching you forget to use megahorn on psychic pokemon was disappointing, then you hit reds espeon with it and I cheered out loud. 😆
Lastly, yes, I enjoy the Kanto battles as well. Id love to do these challenges but can't. I want all the info about it whether insignificant or not.
Full support. All in.
I know jrose has a "how fast you can beat pokemon (insert game name here)" series, but I would like to see one as well for the gen 2 GBC games starting with the dog trio then moving onto box legends.
Maybe jrose will get to that eventually? I have a slightly different idea for the legendaries....
I like the insertion of memes.
Missed opportunity for Beedle! I definitely named the rival ??? on my playthroughs.
about Pryce being weak, i read somewhere that the gym leaders progression in gen 2 feels whacky because it's not linear after the 3rd one: most people will do the west side of the map after getting Surf first so Pryce as the 6th gym will feel so easier but given that you could also do the Lake and rocket first you'll end up overpowered vs Jasmine.
To give players choice of where to go first they put the 4th 5th and 6th gyms with squad lvl in the 30s and i believe it's widely perceived by the community that the attempt to have a story less streamlined like gen 1 ended up being worse because the progression feels so off and weaker compared to a Koga/Sabrina as 5th or 6th gym fight :(
Yep the "intended" way is to beat Morty as the 4th gym but it's perfectly doable to beat Pryce as the 4th and then Morty as 5th as long as you have ways to deal with ice and water pokemon. After beating Whitney quite a bit of Johto is available which is a good time to pick up a few new party members.
How different do you think things would things be if you got HP Rock instead of HP Poison?
A strong Hidden Power typing would have made things so much easier for Heracross. I am going to re-do this run at some point! So then we will see what sort of difference it makes. (Also, how much experience really matters.)
Sandshrew run nicknamed sandy?