The Awful First Death Star Attack, and a Better Strategy | Star Wars Battle Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- We re-visit the Rebel Alliance's first Death Star attack, where they lost a Lucrehulk Battlecruiser and hundreds of x-wings. What went wrong, and what should the Rebel Alliance have done? All that on more on today's Star Wars Battle Breakdown.
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Who would be victorious?
-A 3 Kilometer Lucrehulk carrier with lots of heavy weapons, carrying 500 of the most advanced Air Superiority Fighters of the Galaxy at the time, attacking the enemy by suprise?
-A 16 year old farmboy, who made vroom vroom noises while playing with his toy starfighter, engaging the enemy at red alert?
Plot armour is powered by the force? Then explain why C3PO isnt scrap yet.
Droids can be force sensitive?
But not C3PO.
He was 19
Kane123a Because the Force is lawless connected to everything. Basic plot armor.
500 X-Wings being available at that time for the Rebel Alliance seems unlikely/unrealistic.
Maybe throughout the whole galaxy. But not for one single operation.
Yeah, maybe 100-150 fighters at the maximum, few x-wing, but a majority of Z-95 headhunter with Y-wing and other kind of old fighters.
Yeah, considering in AHN, they only had 30 starfighters to spare, and now with Rogue One, it didn't even look like they had 100 fighters at Scarif.
Yeah, I’m not sure the Rebels even had that many pilots pre-Yavin
Not true, the Rebel Fleet in Legends was a lot more robust compared to the current canon history. On top of that X-Wing losses were very low, so they could manufacture the ships readily and they were just growing, not replacing the losses suffered.
The fast attack craft could attack the super laser dish, disabling the deathstar at least for a couple of weeks.
Not only that, but have a few X-wings break off and make a torpedo run at the Star Destroyer ventral hangars. A chance to eliminate or delay the second wave further to possibly get another shot cause those Tie fighters would be very vulnerable at that point.
I think at this point in the timeline the superlaser wasn't installed yet.
wargearinternational or the Lucrehulk could have bombarded it.
If the death star shot that means the reactor was running, since the death star wasn't finished, they may have been a hole that would have let the fighter reach the reactor, and destroy it. Even if the reactor wasn't at full capacity, its explosion would have badly damage the death star.
EXACTLY the Death 🌟 isn't without the SUPERLASERS😎
Make a video where you ‘fix’ a poorly designed ship while still maintaining what the ship is at its core. It could be a new series called ‘Ship Doctor’. Or something better
Attempt 4
Benjamin Hartman-Seeskin please please please
This a rather awesome idea. Personally, I'm addicted to modifying ships. It's my favorite part of any Star Wars table-top RPG.
Please
Eckharts
it would be perfect to have a project for my new star destroyers
Good idea, example with an isd; more anti-fighter guns, shields system better protected... ?
ISD with a lot of reactors for Big Guns, Point defense and shields.
I prefer Canon here. I like the idea of the Death Star being a secret, and I think the Rebellion fighting it earlier, negates some of the surprise and shock they all had in ANH and Rogue One.
Plus, I think it’s rather silly for the Alliance to have a Lucrehulk and use it in such a risky situation. Just keep that thing safe, it’s more useful in the long run than just throwing it at the Death Star.
Yeah. Andd the Rebels just having 500 X-Wings they apparwntly could afford to loose.
That's what the Rebellion did with their Lurcehulk. Kept it safe and used it as a massive training school for rebel pilots under Hera Syndulla.
I agree here. The rebels did not have 500 X-Wings at Endor. They never have over a couple thousand fighters total. The Legends stuff was nonsense.
@The_Mega_Gamer I mean, just throw the entire construction somewhere in the unkown regions and keep all workers in the dark about the location. If someone starts questioning things, just execute them
Patrick Metzen In Canon, yes. That's why I prefer Canon, they portray the Rebellion better in my opinion.
What a waste of a perfectly good Lucrehulk
*In Neimodian* "Look how they massacred my boy."
Yep way to just throw away one of my favourite ships
What's funny is that this ship would make a PERFECT Rebel headquarters. Mobile, well protected, and large enough to house starfighters and other smaller ships from freighters to corvettes as well as supplies and troops.
Wow, I paid attention to this like I was watching the history channel. Good work dude.
AT-AT Chat well they're both fiction about aliens
@@o00nemesis00o 😂
250 X-Wings "massacred" by less than their number of standard TIE Fighters?
*sigh* And they say Disney Canon makes no sense.
Bad tactics goes a long way.
Here's my question...where the hell did the Rebel Alliance get 500 X-Wings from, better yet...where did they get the pilots for them?
From the planet alliance of plot.
In legends, the rebels have more stuff and were more of an actual military alliance
It is a galactic scale rebellion, 500 is by no means a very high number
I mean the rebels have a fleet and numerous rebel cells from thousands of worlds it isnt far fetched to think 500 pilots would sign up
The Rebel Alliance were getting more volunteers than they had ships and weapons. Personal weren't a problem, as for having all those X-Wings... bad writing.
If you got to design you own super weapon what would it be? and how would you defend it?
I just wouldn't build a super weapon. too big a target.
Cathal Swanton you doubt the power of the ban hammer?
If I had to have a superweapon, it would be something ship-borne. I wouldn't have a massive station. I would have a weapon that any frigate could transport and use.
super weapons dont have to be big, do they? wouldn't the tie defender be considered a super weapon?
Just build a Sun Crusher lol
The rebellion's big oof.
*OOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFF*
Cathal Swanton the biggest oof
Oof X 500
It might be worth having some skipray blastboat and Y wings sweeping in to attack the hanger bays on the death star so you can setup another attack later
You should do one about the attack on Starkiller base, if you haven't already
well it makes some sense, but somehow I find it... futile. Whats worse- if actually effective twice or thrice even Tarkin might notice his doctrine is not working and would force up much more substantial combat air patrol over Yavin.
I actually think infiltration would be more effective way how to take it down... Guns of Navarone style...
Death Star
What if the Rebels destroy the Death Star in that battle?
How would things change?
1) Have Starfighter compliment consist of 100 Y wings as well as 400 X wings
2) Have the Lucrehulk jump in away from the proximity of the Superlaser
3) Unleash All X wings to deal with the Tie Fighters
4) Use Y wings to disable Star Destroyers
5) Have Fortressa deal with disabled Star Destroyers
6) Unleash everything you can to disable Superlaser
7) Warp jump to a rendezvous point.
Wow, this is a pretty amazing breakdown. Yeah it makes sense to have as many of the fighters survive to fight another day and the Lucrehulk shouldn't even be there (or maybe waiting to rendevzous somewhere outside of the system)
Hold it! The first Death Star never used its super laser on a ship at all. How can this be?
Read the "Death Star" novel
10 seconds in: "it was terrible"
Umbaran MHC (Star Wars) vs Covenant Scarab (Halo)
Which scarab? The one from Halo 2 or the one from Halo 3 and ODST?
+TheRealBobaFett I will say the one from Halo 3
@@mohammadkhan-dk6ep Yeah they retconned that to be what scarabs actually look like in reach and I am still pissed the got rid of the coaxial mg on the scorpion to add a turret for a gunner which is ok until you run into a hunter right next to you or a bunch of suicide bomber grunts...
The author of this story REALLY wants us to suspend disbelief. Even with 500 X-wings... the Rebellion would have zero reason to believe they could take out something the size of a moon without knowledge of a weak point. And they would have no reason to attack the Death Star since (I assume) this takes place before the events of Rogue One so as far as the Rebellion is concerned... this station could simply be some kind of weird defense platform or orbital shipyard. To spend such a significant force on something they are as yet unaware is a planet killer AND for Rebel pilots to not take the fight to enemy Ties when given the chance... it all just sounds like story contrivance.
Have the Lucrehulk park a sector or 2 over, launch fighters, have them attack, then withdraw to rearm the short distance away, resume attack, repeat until discovered.
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How about a video on if the Mass Effect Reapers could successfully harvest the Starcraft universe?
Eckharts Ladder is one of my favorite RUclipsr because he does these types of strategy videos
Galaxies Compared: Personal shield technology compared; Dune, Halo, Mass Effect, Star Trek, Star Wars and Stargate
Specify shields please, especially for halo
@@Matt-uk7zq shields are personal type shields; carried like the Gungan and Jackel shields, worn like shield belts from Dune and Star Wars Legends or System Lord gloves from Stargate, or built in like the Spartan and Elites from Halo or Kull Warriors from Stargate and Borg shields.
@@kennethkates3140 kull warrior from Stargate didnt have shield only really good armor we only saw few personal shields in sg anciant personalne shield in sg Atlantis gouauld personal from theres hand divice and vanir hardsuit shield looking like jacka shield from halo that ale all Personal shield i can remember from stargate
If you are talking about the invincible brainwashed killingmachines in Stargate, then yes they do have shields
That's why they needed to develop special ammunition or something with a sort of frequency or something or whatever science science something, also that's also why it was required to go through a gate shield and not get disintegrated
@@scorpixel1866 no armor was made from material that was able to absorb Energy and disparse it also it was also Absorb kintetic Energy and special weepon to take down kull was special Energy wave that destroyed artifical Energy that was animating kull warrior bodies wiem IT was dispersed by kull armor
I mean really ANYTHING but the original tactic would have sufficed. It probably would have been better if the rebels didn't know about the location until the battle of Yavin, then they would have had an enourmous amount of fighters and it wouldn't have been such a last ditch attempt in A New Hope... But of course A New Hope came first Soo...
Pls do a video of every rebel capital ship that isnt a mon calamari.
just a question: what would be the point of damaging the death star with 200 star fighters. they wouldn't do much damage to a station that big.
Every day that Superlaser is out of action is one more day Alderaan lives.
This theory is a crazy and long shot one but it would be interesting to see how this plays out.
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing!!!!
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I believe, from the tactics used, that the X-Wings were nearly all droid piloted. I mean, they attacked on mass, and when the carrier got DS'd, they went full on kamikaze. Much like droid tactics during early Clone Wars battles.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to have the Lucrehulk jump in from the opposite end of the firing direction of the Death Star, then making sure to stay outside of the turbo laser range while orbiting the station to maintain its safety from the main weapon? That way, the X-Wings fighters would have been able to have a meaningful defense and have a means of repairing and have a bit of cover fire from the TIEs. In prolonged combat, the fighters could have easily mopped up the TIEs and before any capital ships could jump in, the rebels would have done considerable damage over time to their super weapon so they could escape as needed with hit and run tactics.
In Legends hyperdrives used very little fuel compared to sunlight engines, or at least that's what Wedge muses about in one of the X-wing novels.
However we all know what the Rebel Alliance should have done was just hyperspace ram the Lucrehulk into the Death Star's superlaser assembly.
an Battle of Utapau video should be nice
As far as I know Imperial 1 class Stardestroyers possess some laser cannons due to their development was in the Clone wars where star fighters where used in extensive numbers
Thanks for this. I loved the sequence in the book but it was such a needless sacrifice
A straight up attack would at best delay the completion and actually increase security around it. However, as a distraction, a fighter sweep would be more effective.
A project like the Deathstar requires a huge amount of resources coming from everywhere. That is a lot to keep up with. Now there had to be literally hundreds of transports, both large and small. Take a bulk transport. Build a bomb in it's gutted hold (one really BIG bomb). Have this ship enter the system with a suicide unit on board with whatever security passes you can get that seem ligit. Just before your "fire ship" goes thru it's security checks, the fighter attack begins with the fighters coming out of hyper on multiple vectors to the deathstar. This adds confusion and breaks up any chance of a coordinated defense at the start. During the confusion, your fire ship moves toward the deathstar in general, but more towards a star destroyer. Acting like your taking cover behind the star destroyer. A large group of your fighters should be making it's way toward the same destroyer so as to keep it's attention focused on the fighters. Once behind the destroyer, and out of most of it's firing arc. Full Burn Flank Speed toward the Death Star with what ever fighters are near providing cover. Plow into the deathstar, preferably into an opening and BOOM! Good bye to a good chunk of the Death Star.
I know this is a little gruesome to commit people to their deaths, but it increases the chance of success. The one problem an assassin has is not getting to the target, it's getting back out after the security is alerted. Those who do not plan to survive the attack at all, they don't have that problem.
Now if you wanted to do it a bit less dramatically. Find out where the key components are coming from, when they leave, how long it takes to arrive. And time your fighter sweep to hit as those shipments come in. Imperial forces will be more relaxed as they get to the destination system and begin to check in. But they are still vulnerable to a quick, lethal strike before they can get those parts inside the defensive line.
Failing all that, attack the system with a fighter sweep and ignore the deathstar all together. Concentrate on the transports with torpedo bombers, blow up every one you can before the imperials get all their fighters out. And hope you take out something vital that takes months or years to replace.
I would have tackled it much differently (and imho, much more effectively)
Composition: The same as originally intended
Formation;
Task force Lightning: Lucrehulk +100 X-Wings
Task force Thunderbolt: 400 X-Wings
The battle:
-Initially, I would send a single X-Wing using its FTL at the outskirts of the DS perimeter for recon, primarily to observe where the DS main weapon is facing and where the enemy ships are located.
-Once the scout has returned, I will use the intel gathered from the recon mission and jump in Task force Lightning at the DIRECT OPPOSITE of where the DS main weapon is facing. The objective of TF Lightning is to harass, draw fire and force the SD's to relocate to TF Lightning's position
-After some time, TF Thunderbolt would then come out of hyperspace directly opposite of where TF Lightning's direction for a feint attack. 400 X-Wings would basically be attacking the DS with minimal resistance (compared to the original plan).
-TF Lightning then pulls out of the engagement and retreats. If they're lucky, they would still have a damaged (but functional) Lucrehulk
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I still insist that the 'hulk should have set up a hyperspace ram. I mean it worked so well in the Last Yeti. . . But yeah, I'm kinda glad this story got replaced by Rogue One.
Anon Ymous *jedi?*
I typed what I intended. Yeti.
IF a much smaller, much less massive Raddus could cripple the Mega, and kill the rest of the fleet, the 'hulk with about 10x the mass ought to be able to get enough energy on target to blow the reactor.
you could leave the lucrehulk just outside the engagment zone for a rendezvous point for the starfighters that make it back maybe a short hyperjump away.
In the post - Holdo star wars universe, the whole attack was a waste when a single starfighter set on autopilot could have destroyed the whole thing before Luke knew of it's existence.
I’m a bit curious did you ever do a Battle Breakdown on the Battle of Yavin?
How on earth did DS1 destroy the Lucrehulk with it's super-laser when we know full well, that it took a huge leap of targeting equipment and technology for it's succsesor to be able to fire it's massive super-laser on space ships?
Would've made more sense for them to hyperdrive in on the opposite side of the Death Star's superlaser
In this scenario, the Alliance are not yet aware about that 2 meter wide exhaust port. Also at the Scarif scenario, the exhaust port data had to be transmitted desperately...the success of the transmission cost the lives of Captain Andor and Gyn Erso's entire team, Blue Squadron was wiped out and a large Calamari cruiser had to be abandoned so that the Tantive 4 can escape Scarif.
Great video.
1. Where did the Rebels get 500 X-Wings? Z-95's or R-22's I could believe.....even some V-Wings or Torrents. But RA manufacturing wasn't up to that level pre-Yavin.
2. What was the plan? They didn't have the DS schematics, so what was their target?
3. They had a Lucrehulk. If nothing else, that makes a pretty devastating ram at sublight speeds. Kick in the hyperdrive......BOOM! And I'll bet Ensign Holdo could get the job done.....
Should have just hyperspaced the luckerhulk into the death star since that's apparently a thing now, RIGHT RYAN?!?
Leia Poppins...
Makes sense. But bring the Lucrehulk in but station it a short jump away to conserve fighter fuel, reduce pilot fatigue/stress, and to act as a mobile base with which to launch follow on attacks
Video suggestion: Do how the Empire held off the rebels at Fondor or do How the rebels escaped Grand Admiral Thrawn on Atilon.
Enjoy the video Diego analogy of the battle plan and I'll just go right on I think they should do that one keep up the good work and May the force be with you
Would propose that the main reason that the attack failed was because of no command and control. The fighters were launched, however with the carrier destroyed before attack orders could be relayed to the squadrons launched, it meant that there was no overall guiding hand. Squadron or wing commanders are now left with trying to orchestrate an attack and directing not 12-72 fighters but up to 6-40 times that number. The instant increase in workload and lack of experience in this department (the Starfighter Corps is still in its infancy at this stage) meant that options become drastically reduced. Tactics need to be simplified out of panic and inexperience and hence explains why the Rebels opted for the non-evasive punching tactics in an blind rush to get through the screens to the Death Star proper.
The Carrier could have had compliments of faster or heavier fighters or even newer fighters, but int he end it means nothing without command and control to direct the attacks for maximum effectiveness. Even outnumbered 2:1, the scales were still in the Alliance's favour, but the lack of experience overall is something else to consider.
Another factor is that there was no way that they would have known that the Superlaser was able to destroy a ship with great accuracy, which compared to a planet is a minute target. The Rebels were not clear on the Death Star's capabilities when dealing with capital ships and also shows why Dodonna eventually opted for using Starfighters as opposed to using capital ships when formulating his attack plan at Yavin.
In empire at war, the first attack would've worked. The actual battle in Ep 4 wouldn't have worked.
Use the Lucrehulk like a modern carrier. It has all the facilities for repairing and rearming fighters, along with habitation for the pilots... but can't take a hit from the superlaser. So fly it to a nearby star system, and have the X-wings hyperdrive in from there.
I would have sent a few CR-90s, a dozen or so Y-Wings or B-Wings if they had them, 10 or so A-Wing squadrons, and twenty X-Wings. The A-Wings and CR-90s provide anti fighter support, Y-Wings for the Death Star Attack Run and Star Destroyer assaults, and the X Wings would be good all-around fighters. What do you think of my strategy, Eck?
Have to say, really liked this. The suggested attack pattern is actually a famous one which was made popular by Shaka Zulu, commonly known as the 'Buffalo Horns'
0:38 where was that fleet when they needed it?
Probably on the other side of the station
I honestly use ecks amazing tactics to use in my empire at war campaing
Imagine what an extra lucrehulk full of fighters would've done during Endor... Make that battle a complete stomp.
the lucrehulk is not simply a carrier- its a command and control center. Yes 500 x wings could jump in but they would not be able to coordinate or communiate well at all with just the fighters electronic brains transmitting telemetry to each other. They would be confused, disoirganized, and literally running into each other. This is why a central command and control vessel is needed, that can stand back, analyze the battle, and sent telemetry coordinating large groups of star fighters
If they used 500 xwings during the battle of yavin they could have covered the trench runners more successfully
I saw my theory done in a cannon clone wars comic where a squadron of Y wings make a jump so that they come out behind the Munificent class frigates and dodge the main sensors and are able to attack a CIS shipyard successfully before the CIS can scramble fighters.
Point blank hyper space jump with a with the battleship loaded with high explosives, x wings can jump in first and place a signal beacon for the jump. And have the battleship collide with the main dish. However a covert operation with either nuclear weapons smuggled on board would be better, we saw how quickly the death star brought in the falcon.
I think an even better strategy would be to feint from one side with fast fighters, and then, after the Death Star's fighters have committed, attack from the opposite side with X-wings and Y-wings. The ties can either turn tail to hit the new group, only to be shredded by pursuing fighters that can outrun them, or stay committed on fighters that can just run away.
Best strategy would be the a-wing slash supported by a lucrahulk however the hulk would have to be outside the range of the deathstar. If fuel is a concern have it near enough they can jump in from it and jump back to it but still outside the super laser range, this doesn't have to be that far way for example behind the sun in the same solar system or even behind a planet. After all I don't know how fast the super laser can fire but even if it can destroy the planet and then fire rapidly again the debris should obstruct any follow up shots for quite some time. The fighters do the a wing slash and if they need to book it they can jump on their own or return the the hulk and book it that way.
I always wondered why the rebels lost this battle because their star fighters are far superior than the ties, this makes a lot more sense
I really enjoy your battle breakdowns, and would love to hear your thoughts on the resistance's strategy in TLJ.
The strategy is R U N
I like your idea, jump in the lucrehulk, launch the fighters, get the lucrehulk out ASAP, slash with the A-wings, jump away, and regroup.
Not to mention that without the Death Star plans, or any knowledge of the Death Star’s exhaust post, the attack itself won’t do much aside from delaying another fight. Regardless of the two strategies used in this video, the Alliance should’ve waited until they got the plans (along with getting Luke Skywalker) and then attack. Then the Alliance would have had more fighters than the attack in A New Hope along with the Lucrehulk to support the fighters and have Luke lead the attack.
Why didn’t the lukerhulk just hyperspace ran into the Death Star, oh wait
5:40 have the fighters attack the dish and after the first attack, jump away to a hyperspace point where you can have the lucrehulk refuel your fighters. Then when the time is right, attack again. use the lucrehulk as a fueling area instead of a capital ship.
The best reasons I can think of for bringing the Lucrehulk the way they did was to have it serve as a possible transport ship in one of two ways. Possibly they could have wanted to board the station, but that would be a mistake to assume that there's somewhere where it could dock or land; so that's a no go. Alternatively they may have wanted a ship to harbor damaged X-wings on for either repairs or evac during a retreat (Or to specifically evac damaged ships only), which is assuming the X-wings had their hyperdrives disabled or destroyed somehow without outright destroying the fighter; although that's a rather bold assumption to make that a fighter could take a hit that could destroy the hyperdrive and not the ship itself, so still not a good reason. Either way, not much of a reason to bring the Lucrehulk.
the first death star did not have a targeting sensor that could hit anything smaller than a moon. the second death star had an improved super laser and targeting system that allowed it to blow up capital ships. plus, by the new canon, the super laser was installed during the events of Rogue One so it would not be ready for this attack
I would also outfit every Starfighter with visual flight recorders in order to broadcast this attack to basically everybody who can receive a signal. I agree that destroying the Death Star would not be feasible but it would still be important to do as much damage as possible in order to stall its construction. This could garner a far greater degree of support then the rebels originally had prior to the Battle of Yavin.
Good strategy, but it would be potentially a bit better to have at least some of the X-wings attack the SDs, focusing fire on the hangars. In this kind of scenario, ISDs are more valuable as carriers that can rapidly deploy fighters rather than capital ships. Also, have the second wave similarly focus fire on the fighter launch bays on the Death Star. The idea here is to limit the amount of fighters capable of operating in a given area, on account of the TIE having a limited amount of fuel.
The DS and ISDs may have thousands of TIEs between them, but if you can force them to travel further and further to engage you, then there might as well be no TIEs. And if the DS goes to round the clock patrols, you still win, because it gives you time to launch an attack and bug out with reduced losses.
Should have just hyper drived into it lol nice video never new the rebels attacked the Death Star twice.
I wish you would do some of the Clone Wars battles from Star Wars: Legends, more specifically the battles in the 2003 Clone Wars video game by Pandemic; I would be interested to see your take on the Battle of Raxus Prime, Battle of Rhen Var, and Battle of Thule.
Viscount Class Star Defender VS 2 of the MALEVOLENCE (Subjagator Class Heavy Cruiser)
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viscount easily as covered several time by eck the ion cannon just doesn't have enough power to affect a fullsize dreadnought
Damn
The rebellion should've hired you
You would be a general/admiral or a Supreme commander by the end of it
Can we just take a step back, and talk about Eckharts amazing outro lol
It does make more sense the way you would have done it, however you may never get a second attempt in this style of attack, as after the first the empire would likely double or tripple the defensive fleet and fighters and you would run straigt into a trap the second time. To avoid this, you would need to sabotage imperial support lines, thereby splitting your force and unfavorablely commiting to key positions.
The X wings if using precise coordinates could jump out of hyperspace behind the ISDs and TIEs go on a strafing run of the DS1 and jump away.
Reading more in Legends, I've had a thought....
Wouldn't it be great if Disney produced a series of short and feature length films, made by select animators from both within and outside of Disney, about Legends continuity. Can call it something like 'Star Wars:Legendary Tales' and done similar to what was done for Halo.
See the problem would be that none die hard fans may think it's Canon
Not when it's labeled legends. I guess it could be called Stories from Legends
If Disney didn't change a thing about them but we know they couldn't resist the urge to fuck it up royally...
If there were fuel concerns, why couldn't they just stop the Lucrehulk one jump away, launch the fighters to attack then death star, and then the jump back, land on the carrier and return to base?
Why not just hyperspace the lucrehulk into the death star. Get it close enough to aim it then, boom, ram the damn thing. You could even set it to a timer so the crew could escape.
I agree with the revised strategy, hit 'em hard and hit 'em fast. As for hitting the death star itself I'd aim for the super laser dish and any hanger bays. The super laser, obviously the biggest threat, any setback in that area would help the rebels a lot and the hanger bays would hurt the Imp's repair efforts and overall functionality ( How you gonna fix the thing if you can't get the repair crews in there?). Just a few bits from me :).
3:02 ik im 1 year late buuuuuut
at the time of the battle X-wings didnot actually have hyperdrives which explains why they came in a lucrehulk and why the alliance had so many because they were easier to make without the hyperdrives im pretty sure that this battle was why the hyperdrives were installed in the X-wings after the rebellion realised their mistake.
well thats what I read on wookiepedia
The Lucrehulk could have been a good tool for the fight if they used it like a fireship. Pack it full of explosives and ram the death star. Preferably on the half without a functioning superlaser. Before hyperspace raming was a thing and before knowing there was a weakness to the battlestation, it would probably take a ship that big packed with explosives to have a chance of seriously delaying or destroying a battlestation the size of a moon.
But what exactly would all those fast fighters with torpedoes making a single pass on the deathstar and unloading all their ordinance actually do? They didn't had the intelligence that they had at Yavin, so had no idea that the exhaust port was a critical flaw in the station. At most they'd do some surface damage, maybe take out a few hangars, but what effect would that realistically have on such a big station?
I really think this undercuts the idea that the Rebels aren't well equipped and can't fight the empire on equal terms. I mean, we see that even during the Battles of Scariff and Yavin that the Rebels are really just scrambling anything that can be crewed(thus GR-75s). 500 X-Wings is an absurd amount of fighters for any one cell to have(even if it was multiple cells pooling resources together). I like the current interpretation that they were really just using whatever they could get their hands on and weren't really able to actually fight the empire on equal ground, being little more than terrorists and freedom fighters fighting for a relatively similar goal, splintered into multiple ideological factions. I also don't think the Empire would leave the Death Star with such a relatively small guard. Sure, 1000 TIEs and 3 ISDs is impressive, but for the size of the Death Star, especially one that isn't fully complete, I think there should be at least double that.
Additionally, the sheer amount of communication necessary for an operation like this would give up the Rebel plans extremely quickly. The reason why the Rebels had only a relatively small amount of people and ships in each cell was to make communication in that cell easier, making it more flexible and also limiting the amount of time needed to evacuate or leave the area. It's also a serious waste of resources.
I'm surprised that the Rebellion hasn't been using Lucrehulk carriers or any other Separatist cruisers in canon. It helps paint them as desperate underdogs in my opinion.
Also next video should be how the Rebel alliance destroyed the first death star or how shadow squadron took down the malevolence.
I like you're strat. Have the Lucrehulk jump in towards what was expected to be the tail end and have the R-22s hit the super laser, shield emitters and try to damage the engines with fast, close range, passes. Remember the turbo laser batteries and turrets were having a hard time tracking the Y-Wings and X-Wings at close range in ANH. R-22s are allot faster. :)
I honestly didn't know the rebels tried attacking the death star while it was still under construction. But I have to say, they just sent those pilots and naval officers on board that ship to their deaths; without any plans or information on the space station from the get-go!
The Lucrehulk was likely operating as a command and control platform. Think about it, 500 birds is too much to be coordinated by anyone in a fighter, and what happened once the lucrehulk was destroyed? The whole formation fell apart because its command and control element was knocked out immediately.
I have wondered bout this particular battle. There is so much that could have been done better by the Rebels though I think at this point they thought that the Death Star wasn't functional. Am I correct? What they could have done was jump the Lucrehulk to a close system & jump the fighters from there. giving it the ability to stay out of the fight, but in range for the X-Wing jump out.
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways:
Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: Sixty-seven times.
Agreed that is something I would pay to see it is literally everything in star wars fighting there
If the lukrehulk was a battleship and not a control ship you could have put that in to cover the A wings more and also to throw some turbolaser fire at the death star and if it got close enough it would be harder to be hit by the superlaser.
Please do a galactic versus battle between
2M Saber class hover tank(Star Wars),
UNSC Scorpion tank(Halo),
Mammoth MK III(C&C)