I've been an atheist for a long time & my sister is a christian. She was telling me about a retired minister & I was feeling snarky & said something like" Did he retire because he learned critical thought?" That started an argument & I said I felt that all religions are dangerous. Not all christians are bad, I told my sister she is very good & I'm grateful for her as she has always supported me. She's still mad at me, I'm sure she'll forgive me & we'll be close again(I hope). I regret being snarky. At the same time, it kinda felt good to speak my mind.
Its your right to be snarky if you want, but I gotta admit it was a shotty thing to do especially since your sister was not trying to start an argument on whether religion is true. You crapped on someone's viewpoint when all they were doing is having a casual conversation with you. I hate chritians and other thiests that do this and this also extends to fellow athiests as well.
@@DaddyOfTheSugarVariety I don't think all religions are dangerous. I know of a few Non Theistic Religions that do really good work for the common good. The Satanic Temple is one. Non Theist Quakers is another. Of course people are people, and you will always find the individual dangerous person everywhere.
“…When you really think about it death is not a good thing. Death is the loss of everything…” Death is also the loss of consciousness/brain activity, which in turn makes the loss of everything else irrelevant. You won’t be able to experience loss once you’re dead
100% my thoughts too. Something that has helped me with the concept was another perspective on our experience. What were you thinking and feeling back in 1776 while the Declaration of Independence was signed (or any other event in the distant past)? Where were you? For me: It's just blank. I remember nothing from when I was 2 or 3 even. Those times are similarly blank. I don't remember thinking, feeling, doing anything, but other people remember me from when I was that young. And I wasn't and am not particularly bothered by my lack of awareness and memory at that time.
@@wolves201A rational person does know that. There is no consciousness separate from the brain. Simply wanting to believe you somehow continue living after death, doesn’t make it true.
@@wolves201we know enough about how brain damage works to know you can easily have death of "self" without death of the body... So where does the after life fit?
One of the best science fiction writers was Stanislaw Lem. One of his short stories involved a man who preserved his wife’s consciousness in a kind of crystal, so she could essentially live forever. The protagonist asked the man, “what will your wife experience? What will she see?” The end of our solar system, the emptiness of space, billions of years of absolutely nothing, perhaps eventually the death of the universe…it was made worse, of course, by the fact that she would be alone. The short-term answer would be different if many people became immortal, but the end would be the same. Lem sums it up perfectly by saying, “People don’t want to live forever. They just don’t want to die.” Oh, and Butker’s speech was at Benedictine College in Atchison, KS (north of Kansas City). Not Texas.
Sounds like he got the nail on the head for many people. I get the not wanting to die part, but I don't understand how so many people, (I believe I've heard it from both Matt and Jimmy) so quickly, say with such conviction that they definitely don't want to live forever. What is so bad in their life that they would scoff at the chance to prolong it as long as possible?
@@the-outsider8458 Nothing needs to be bad with your life, some people just seem to think that they would eventually get bored or tired of living, even if their lives were good. I would think that there is probably so much to do in this world, so many places, that anyone could live for thousands of years and still keep discovering new things. You could spend a lifetime in one country and then move to another, essencially have multiple "lives", with different place, people and experiences in each of them. Forever is a long time though, and eventually the planet, sun and even the whole universe is going to end, or change in a way that "living" as we know it now, would not be possible. If you were truly immortal, and just kept existing in a scorched universe with nothing in it, that wouldn't be really fun. And even before that, after hundreds of thousands of years of living, having experienced everything, things might start to feel a bit dull.
@DaiaHoshino & @@the-outsider8458good to see there are more people that think alike, that living forever (or not dying) is something to aspire. I know that when I'm dead I won't feel or miss a thing, but my present self is horrified with the idea that this universe will go on for many many millennia and I won't be nowhere.
Keith & the Girl podcast. Around since Podcasting, Day 5. I was at a meet up in Toronto. Staying in a dorm, summer hostel. Fans getting KATG tats was a thing. Tat artist was there. Guy not in our group walks by, wants to promote his rap to these strangers. He ends up getting a KATG logo tattoo. Art similar to Kat. Just... cuz. (If we paid the tat fee)
I Absolutely 💯 love Seth Matt Aron and Forrest! I went to 16 years of Catholic school then wanted to learn the Bible went to Baptist church for 10 years! 😢now I’m 💯 with you guys!!!! Will be in recovery ❤️🩹 til the end of time😊
What I found most interesting about the Butker speech was the staggering hypocrisy of admonishing people to "stay in their lanes" while giving political advice as a footballer (not to mention while also supporting the party of not-so-small government)
When people are asked “is the economy good?” They’re probably thinking about things that affect them individually, like cost of living, wages, the CPI, rent, and interest rates. They’re probably not thinking about the unemployment rate or the S&P 500.
Correct, and all those important things that people care about have been in the tank since sleepy joe has been in office. People care about having enough money to afford their rent and put food on the table and keep America safe and strong. Millions of people can be “employed”, but what’s the use if most of the population still can’t pay their basic essentials? Nobody cares about unemployment rate as a flat statistic or the S&P 500.
But the SAME METRICS are used to determine the health and strength of the current economy that have been used for DECADES. The reason so many people baa-lieve 🐑 the economy is bad, is because that is what their preferred angertainment channel and the reich-wingnuts in the government, along with the ex LIAR-IN-CHIEF, have INDOCTRINATED them to baa-lieve 🐑.
Yes, and unfortunately the general understanding of economics is lacking and the excessive blame or credit for whoever happens to be president is absurd. The amount of power people believe a president has is astounding.
You guys are doing a great job. I was born an atheist, so I was never a believer. I was born and raised in an atheist family, and even as a child I was convinced that believers were only old and poorly educated people. Oh, how wrong I was. Now I see that most people are believers - we atheists are the minority. I am aware of how harmful religion is and how badly it affects society. Fortunately, there are people like you who promote science and reason, are critical of religion and expose its harmful effects, and who work wholeheartedly to promote secularism. I think it is an extremely important job in this time where intolerance, conflict and ignorance prevail.
Forrest would absolutely be the best thing to happen to that show. I still don't even know if I'd want that to happen to the poor guy tho, talk about slumming it (intellectually😭)!
It's peculiar how we as western human society simultaneously consider forgiveness a virtue (the whole "turn the other cheek" thing), and have a justice system based heavily on vengence...
Hell of a country that will criminalize it!s own citizens. I have been walking barefoot on broken glass for 61 years because of Christian lawmakers. Christian lawmakers work in delirious ways. Near NOLA. Peace, LOL.
GREAT fkg charity work, gentlemen. Absolutely astounding. We have all (hopefully) learned the necessity of well-practiced skeptical thinking. We all owe a debt of gratitude. Thank you.
@@bellywood7688 This is the only problem. I'm not interested in back and forth tribal politics. It destroys fun, I just want to play and hear about cool video games without social media influencers trying to instill conflict into everything. It cycles wars and problems.
@@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu I've just had a siesta and I'm a little dazed. Perhaps its because I haven't listened to the stream yet but I can't put your comment into context 🙃
@@bellywood7688 Past context, cause effect analysis (it polarizes people). It's a outrage community focused on bashing religion, it doesn't bring any value to my life (I don't care about petty arguments).
Regarding our penal system, it seems we still haven't decided if it's for retribution or recovery. We sort of pretend it's both. I always argue that if a criminal is eventually going to be let out, don't you want their experience in prison be one of rehabilitation as opposed to anguish/torture?
The Poem written in war. In Flanders Fields BY JOHN MCCRAE (WW1) In Flanders fields the poppies blow…. Between the crosses, row on row, that mark our place; and in the sky, the larks still bravely singing, fly scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie, In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields.
Seth, the correct phase (in Spanish) is: "mano a mano" (hand to hand) You're saying "mano y mano" (hand and hand). Just thought you'd want to use the expression correctly. Great discussion
Matt should go on Rogan show, simply to talk to him about skepticism and debunking misinformation. The same as Michael Shermere did, a couple of years back.
Man, this discussion is what I think about almost daily. That everything we do is the result of many factors that are out of our control. From upbringing, to brain chemistry, outside influences (people around us, organizations, religions), etc. There is causation behind every terrible thing done by someone. There is no "evil" in the world. That is a manmade concept. And realizing that completely changes how you see the world. Jeffery Dahmer wasn't "evil." He was severely mentally ill. Adam Lanza wasn't "evil." He was mentally ill and had access to firearms. Cause and effect.
@@mikesolarz1561 What I love about Sapolsky is that he is honest about how hard that concept is to conceptualize for people, because we "feel" like we have free will. He even discusses his struggles with it. It actually make it easier to understand when he shows that.
Same! I don’t do social media and I don’t watch commercials. But is that because I’m “choosing”not to participate in social media or “choosing” not to watch commercials or am I just wired to be adverse to it? I am fascinated by this idea of no free will. I’m an Ex Mormon. In Mormonism I was taught god gave us free agency/will so we can choose to do all the right things to live back in his presence. Of course the choices are all bound by eternal consequences. And if god is all knowing then god already knows our choices before we do so why put people thru all the nonsense to begin with? Religions are whacky and Mormonism is one of the whackiest!
53:30 while my child was in middle school a bully called him gay, and my son just said, that isn’t an insult, it’s just someone’s sexuality. The bully had no comeback.
I'm a neuroscience student and if anyone is interested in learning more about biological determinism, the neuroscience of human volition (AKA "free will") see Patrick Haggard's work. Sapolsky is great, but he's far from being the only one who studies this. In fact there's many studies by multiple researchers(see Benjamin Libet) There's a good reason why most neuroscientists are determinists...evidence.
@@christopherhamilton3621go look up the work of Karl Lashley with rat neurology. They took rats, had them run mazes, then isolated and removed the neurology associated with the memories of running the maze. They could then put that neurology into other rats, that could then run the maze perfectly; they didn't have to "learn" the maze because the neurology gave them the memories of running the maze. We are the memories that we accumulate over time, if those experiences are removed, who we are fundamentally changes. They can also duplicate the memories with artificial neurology, and turn the memories on/off with a remote switch, the same way we can change the data stored in a computer.
to say that most neuroscientists are determinists is a bit reductive imo... as of the last couple decades or so, i think the most common position is no longer that of pure determinism, but rather a more complex interaction of genetic, epigenetic, environmental and socio-cultural factors. At least, that's my impression. That said, i study animal cognition, so you probably know more than me about this stuff 😅 I'll definitely check out Haggard's work.
Ripping a telephone book in half was a trick my dad showed me, he used to use to impress as a sales gimick when he would be buying and selling machinery.
I haven’t yet seen the entire episode, but I'm wondering if Seth and Matt take into account the "hungry judge effect", where repeated studies have shown, conclusively, that getting or not getting bail is directly correlated with how long it has been since the judge ate.
A late friend of mine was an attorney, and he had a case in which the judge showed up in a Hawaiian shirt and shorts, explaining that he was leaving for vacation as soon as the trial was over. My friend was incensed; I don't recall what he said exactly, but he did get the case continued. Super unprofessional of the judge.
I won't comment on the U.S. justice system, but imprisonment for punishment seems like a silly idea. I will absolutely advocate for imprisonment for the purposes of safety. I like to think many convicts are capable of full reform, but I'm an optimist. The death penalty is completely immoral.
It should be called U.S. Revenge system. Punishment might be able to deter some, but learning the skills to control your impulses is better than punishing those who can't.
Harsh punishment and sentencing is only for the poor and defenseless. The rich and powerful don’t get the same. It’s clear for everyone to see how this “Justice “ system works.
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe " learning the skills to control your impulses is better than punishing those who can't." In lieu of incarceration, would you take a violent offender into your home so you can teach them those skills?
I agree with most of what you guys say. I'm neither a Republican or Democrat but people can't afford housing, homelessness is a major problem, people can't afford groceries and are working 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. I'm not as educated as you but this is the reality.
Nobody knew about god before humans existed, and humans were around over 200,000 years before we mentioned him, this god is a human creation made in Our own image based on a failed storm/war god. God has always been a banner for whose dad has the biggest gun.
In some ways I think Matt answered his own question in regards to the validity of Christianity turning him into an Atheist. He acknowledges that he began in earnest to become "the best Christian he could be". I find it strange that people think Atheists have NO humility, when often, it's exactly the opposite. Doing it with integrity and honesty can't possibly include religion.
A hard question was asked in this video when they were talking about the death penalty, “you wouldn’t put Hitler in front of a firing squad?” and as much as I would say he would have deserved it I don’t think I could, because Hitler himself in a way did that and I can’t stomach the idea of agreeing with him.
Yo! Love the Kat pic you drew, that was too funny! Seth: "I had Imposter Syndrome talking to Sapolsky." Now you know how I felt a couple years ago talking to First Coast Freethought Society about Street Epistemology. They have guests like you and Mandisa Thomas! I was a relative beginner compared to Anthony or Reid. I only got through it with the help of my friends and mentor, but still, Seth Andrews with years of public speaking vs. me. I wasn't uite as much of a beginner when I finished. Just sayin'. OMG I remember Carman and "Witch's Invitation!" I always enjoy watching you and Matt Dillahunty talking. Thanks for sharing this!
I think he's overlooked a lot of issues - even if it could 100% be done right now, should it? Do we want the likes of Trump and Musk around forever as cyborgs? If everyone alive today could be preserved as a cyborg, what about future generations? Do we stop having babies, or do we continue to overpopulate the world?
@@cnault3244where did he say he cares? And if you assume he cares, the question is why do you care so much that you would assume a comment and the comment on that assumption.
If someone asks about punishing people if they don't have free will, my response is: Just because we don't have FREE will, doesn't mean we don't have WILL. A person doesn't choose what their brain decides for them, but their brain still makes a decision... which has consequences. (A brain that decides to kill people, knowing it's bad and they'd be put in jail for it, is a brain that deserves to be put in jail.)
@@wangsunfuh8889 Ofcourse there is good and bad, it depends on your definition of morality. Morality can be based on wellbeing, so anything that harms people is bad.
My opinion on punishment and justice in a world absent of free will is that it is part of the preventative mechanism that enforces societal norms. Every outside stimulus can have an effect on our behavior and can affect our adherence to behavioral standards. Ultimately though, the best approach should be to provide rehabilitation for those that do harm and protection from those who cannot be rehabilitated.
The idea that we should not punish people when they commit crimes…. particularly crimes that harm others…. is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Maybe the desire to engage in criminal behavior can’t be helped, but people that act on those desires should most certainly be held accountable unless they have a condition that prevents them from understanding right from wrong and how their behavior is affecting others. Also, saying that the threat of prison or worse, isn’t a deterrent for some criminally minded people is nonsense. There will never be a statistic for the number of crimes that weren’t committed due to fear of retribution.
I was a JW until I red this in the bible, Ecclesiastes 3:19 New International Version 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath[a]; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.
I'm British and regularly watch Seth ,Matt ,Forrest, Jim Barrows, Eric (S&S) and many many other hosts on The Thinking Atheist. I'm also an atheist of very long standing and absolutely love the show.
I lost my patience for Rogan when he became a "science journalist" and started platforming people with views he could offer no push back to. He's not the only one at it either, Diary of a CEO is another one - just sits their and says "wow" while guests spew their "warm diarrhea"...
Rogan did change his stance on the moon landing....however.. Lately he has been, again, speaking like maybe it didnt happen. I share Mats frustration with the American people. It is depressing. I feel like it is only going to get worse.
@@randibgood I used the text replacement feature built in to my handheld’s system. To program it, I visited a website offering a simple text substitution box which replaces common letters with characters meant for either phonetic pronunciation or something else. They’re essentially ASCII characters not commonly used but are similar to the letter but inverted. I paste in the words or phrases I want to invert, copy the output and paste that into the settings. Then, when I type whatever word I want to invert, the system does it automagically. iOS has the feature built into it, and Android offers G-board to effect the same thing.
@@carguybikeguy Way more than I have time for. I was hoping like the * at the beginning and end of words will make them bold, here on RUclips. Something simple. Thanks for the info!
22:20 I own a red-lettered KJVer (Easy Reading) edition that actually has the Old Testament red-lettered also. Jesus in his alter-ego form said a lot more in the OT than the NT, and most of those OT words aren't nearly as edifying as the NT ones. Even though the JesusGod person said that the FatherGod person was "greater than me", apparently his words were not since most Bibles don't bother to red-letter the OT words of FatherGod. In fact, in the OT, it is often difficult to distinguish the direct words of FatherGod from those of the angels and prophets who quote him. I believe that might be why most Bibles don't color the words of FatherGod. There is a disclaimer in the preface of this Bible stating "since neither the OT Hebrew nor the NT Greek manuscripts use quotation marks, it is often difficult to determine whether God of Christ is speaking directly".
@@Sejl What?? No I'm not okay with spreading anti-science. Sometimes Joe Rogan had some interesting people on his show like Neil Degrass Tyson. That's why I used to watch.
The “right way to Christian” is to pay more attention to the words in red than the words in black. Too many Christians prefer the Old Testament to punish their enemies and the New Testament when they want forgiveness for their sins. It’s the hypocrisy of most Christians that’s ruining the experience for everyone else in the faith.
He only does it because if he didn't he won't get any nookie from Aden. Let me be clear. I don't care what you think you are, how you choose to appear, etc. But saying you are something does not make you that thing. This is cultural appropriation for gender.
You know, it’s odd. Before conservatives starting pushing anti-trans propaganda, the ONLY time I heard people talk about women’s sports, was to ridicule them. Makes it really hard to believe any of you actually give a s*** about women’s sports.
I’m all for removing “sin” as a justification for reacting to anything. The word “sin” may not show up in our laws and statutes, but it remains the basis for the remedy.
Matt Diligunty and Aron Ra both have a serious interest in snakes. there are videos of them together shopping for new snakes. to add to their collections of snakes. Aron Ra has probably twenty snakes. however I'm not sure how many snakes that Matt Diligunty has? because the videos I seen were Aron Ra videos.
*_This is why_** ;* _(follow the fool)_ Because fools speak with absolute certainty & unshakeable confidence, while the wise speak with caution & reserve.
Oh, man, The Power Team! I remember my dad took me to see them as a kid. They even had a "soundtrack" full of Christian songs. I remember enjoying it at the time, but I was like 5-6. I definitely remember Carmen too. Probably had all his cassettes back in the day.
Co-worker told me his church recently merged with another church in the area. IDK why: probably costs of running 2 different facilities. Anyway, it gave me great joy to ask him, "Did you have to switch gods?" He was crestfallen
Hearing Jordan Peterson describe atheism as "an illegal chess move" and knowing what I know about him and his many MANY complexes, it strikes me that he thinks of it only as it relates to him. Like he believes people are only atheists specifically to argue about it.
Love that you mentioned the power team. Maybe a little after their prime they came to my small town church in Texas when I was a teenager. Blast from the past lol.
As an atheist I have a tremendous amount of respect for both of you. I find it really odd though that Matt would say so matter-of-factly that eating only meat will kill you, when that is absolutely false. I can point him to many people in the carnivore space that have eaten only meat for DECADES, with bloodwork and other health markers to back up the effectiveness of being carnivore. I myself have been meat-only for a year, and my health, energy, and mental state are so much better.
24:40 In my generation, there were some Christians complaining about the game Mass Effect, calling it a "p**n simulator" and the console a "S*xbox" on Fox News, Geoff Keighley was invited to comment about the game and when he asked the very upset Christian lady if she had played the game, she said 'No'
During the "Life of Brian is blasphemous" times, Not-the-nine-o'clock-news did a skit where they just turned it around. When the lord and savior J.C. is John Cleese you can get the picture.
Great memories. Outstanding show. Rowan Atkinson, Pamela Stephenson , Griff Jones …….just an amazing period of pommy entertainment. Thanks for reviving the memory
I guess I've had a critical mind for a long time. I was thinking about a few times in Junior high when my friends, who were involved in YFC (youth for Christ), tried to convince me to answer the "call" at a gathering. I always felt that I couldn't do that because it smacked to me of a cultish mind set. It was around that time that I stopped go to church (Presbyterian), my parents never pressured me. So I guess I was lucky. I have progressed thru Buddhism, and paganism, and seemed to arrive at the place where I have no proof that a supreme being exists. I really enjoy the shows, and find those who I've seen to be some of the most intelligent people I have ever heard.
I've been an atheist for a long time & my sister is a christian. She was telling me about a retired minister & I was feeling snarky & said something like" Did he retire because he learned critical thought?" That started an argument & I said I felt that all religions are dangerous. Not all christians are bad, I told my sister she is very good & I'm grateful for her as she has always supported me.
She's still mad at me, I'm sure she'll forgive me & we'll be close again(I hope). I regret being snarky. At the same time, it kinda felt good to speak my mind.
Its your right to be snarky if you want, but I gotta admit it was a shotty thing to do especially since your sister was not trying to start an argument on whether religion is true. You crapped on someone's viewpoint when all they were doing is having a casual conversation with you. I hate chritians and other thiests that do this and this also extends to fellow athiests as well.
Sometimes you need to tell crazy people that their magical world isn’t real.
@@danielbond9755 She's not crazy, just indoctrinated.
@@DaddyOfTheSugarVariety I don't think all religions are dangerous. I know of a few Non Theistic Religions that do really good work for the common good. The Satanic Temple is one. Non Theist Quakers is another. Of course people are people, and you will always find the individual dangerous person everywhere.
@@DaddyOfTheSugarVariety Same thing. Doesn't mean it's incurable either way.
“…When you really think about it death is not a good thing. Death is the loss of everything…”
Death is also the loss of consciousness/brain activity, which in turn makes the loss of everything else irrelevant. You won’t be able to experience loss once you’re dead
But you don’t know that for certain.
100% my thoughts too. Something that has helped me with the concept was another perspective on our experience. What were you thinking and feeling back in 1776 while the Declaration of Independence was signed (or any other event in the distant past)? Where were you? For me: It's just blank. I remember nothing from when I was 2 or 3 even. Those times are similarly blank. I don't remember thinking, feeling, doing anything, but other people remember me from when I was that young. And I wasn't and am not particularly bothered by my lack of awareness and memory at that time.
@@wolves201A rational person does know that. There is no consciousness separate from the brain. Simply wanting to believe you somehow continue living after death, doesn’t make it true.
@@wolves201we know enough about how brain damage works to know you can easily have death of "self" without death of the body... So where does the after life fit?
@@Matthew-zn3zm - Between "Once upon a time" and "a happily ever after".
One of the best science fiction writers was Stanislaw Lem. One of his short stories involved a man who preserved his wife’s consciousness in a kind of crystal, so she could essentially live forever. The protagonist asked the man, “what will your wife experience? What will she see?” The end of our solar system, the emptiness of space, billions of years of absolutely nothing, perhaps eventually the death of the universe…it was made worse, of course, by the fact that she would be alone. The short-term answer would be different if many people became immortal, but the end would be the same. Lem sums it up perfectly by saying, “People don’t want to live forever. They just don’t want to die.”
Oh, and Butker’s speech was at Benedictine College in Atchison, KS (north of Kansas City). Not Texas.
Hard to imagine an existence worse than that
Sounds like he got the nail on the head for many people. I get the not wanting to die part, but I don't understand how so many people, (I believe I've heard it from both Matt and Jimmy) so quickly, say with such conviction that they definitely don't want to live forever. What is so bad in their life that they would scoff at the chance to prolong it as long as possible?
@@the-outsider8458 Nothing needs to be bad with your life, some people just seem to think that they would eventually get bored or tired of living, even if their lives were good.
I would think that there is probably so much to do in this world, so many places, that anyone could live for thousands of years and still keep discovering new things. You could spend a lifetime in one country and then move to another, essencially have multiple "lives", with different place, people and experiences in each of them.
Forever is a long time though, and eventually the planet, sun and even the whole universe is going to end, or change in a way that "living" as we know it now, would not be possible. If you were truly immortal, and just kept existing in a scorched universe with nothing in it, that wouldn't be really fun. And even before that, after hundreds of thousands of years of living, having experienced everything, things might start to feel a bit dull.
@DaiaHoshino & @@the-outsider8458good to see there are more people that think alike, that living forever (or not dying) is something to aspire.
I know that when I'm dead I won't feel or miss a thing, but my present self is horrified with the idea that this universe will go on for many many millennia and I won't be nowhere.
"People don't want to live forever. They just don't want to die".
Excellent.
Seeing Matt's new tattoo, then the shirt from Seth. This is one of the coolest, most random type of thing to see on a Tuesday morning. That's awesome!
Keith & the Girl podcast. Around since Podcasting, Day 5. I was at a meet up in Toronto. Staying in a dorm, summer hostel.
Fans getting KATG tats was a thing. Tat artist was there.
Guy not in our group walks by, wants to promote his rap to these strangers.
He ends up getting a KATG logo tattoo. Art similar to Kat. Just... cuz. (If we paid the tat fee)
I Absolutely 💯 love Seth Matt Aron and Forrest! I went to 16 years of Catholic school then wanted to learn the Bible went to Baptist church for 10 years! 😢now I’m 💯 with you guys!!!! Will be in recovery ❤️🩹 til the end of time😊
What I found most interesting about the Butker speech was the staggering hypocrisy of admonishing people to "stay in their lanes" while giving political advice as a footballer (not to mention while also supporting the party of not-so-small government)
When people are asked “is the economy good?” They’re probably thinking about things that affect them individually, like cost of living, wages, the CPI, rent, and interest rates.
They’re probably not thinking about the unemployment rate or the S&P 500.
This is one of those questions that needs to be better specified. "Better Economy" could mean different things, as you mentioned.
You said this way better than I could with paragraphs. Which is to say: yes, EXACTLY! 👏🏾✨
Correct, and all those important things that people care about have been in the tank since sleepy joe has been in office. People care about having enough money to afford their rent and put food on the table and keep America safe and strong. Millions of people can be “employed”, but what’s the use if most of the population still can’t pay their basic essentials? Nobody cares about unemployment rate as a flat statistic or the S&P 500.
But the SAME METRICS are used to determine the health and strength of the current economy that have been used for DECADES. The reason so many people baa-lieve 🐑 the economy is bad, is because that is what their preferred angertainment channel and the reich-wingnuts in the government, along with the ex LIAR-IN-CHIEF, have INDOCTRINATED them to baa-lieve 🐑.
Yes, and unfortunately the general understanding of economics is lacking and the excessive blame or credit for whoever happens to be president is absurd. The amount of power people believe a president has is astounding.
Please tell me you are making kat shirts for us! That is the only merch I’ve ever truly wanted from anyone 😄
You guys are doing a great job. I was born an atheist, so I was never a believer. I was born and raised in an atheist family, and even as a child I was convinced that believers were only old and poorly educated people. Oh, how wrong I was. Now I see that most people are believers - we atheists are the minority. I am aware of how harmful religion is and how badly it affects society. Fortunately, there are people like you who promote science and reason, are critical of religion and expose its harmful effects, and who work wholeheartedly to promote secularism. I think it is an extremely important job in this time where intolerance, conflict and ignorance prevail.
You are in the minority in America
“The fact that a great many people believe something is no guarantee of its truth.”
-W. Somerset Maugham
Holy crap. I’d pay so much money to see Forrest on Rogans show lol
No chance. Unless Joe wants to do some charity work.
Forrest and Matt have talked way too much false shite, for Joe to care.
Me too omgosh that would be the BEST!! Only thing better is Matt and Forrest Both together!!!!
Forrest would absolutely be the best thing to happen to that show. I still don't even know if I'd want that to happen to the poor guy tho, talk about slumming it (intellectually😭)!
@@TreeHairedGingerAle he can handle it!
What do these guys dislike abt Rogan?
Best quote of the show "people think in bumper stickers"
I agree. But it was “people think in bumper stickers “. 😊
@@lilmissnoname7782 yes you’re correct. I must’ve missed typed it.
It is a fact that innocent people have been convicted and put to death. They all seem to come from the same socioeconomic class.
Because the witnesses (probably) think they "all look alike". 🙄
Just a thought.
Most people in prison come from the religious "socio-economic class" 😮😢
Life of Brian is the best Monty python skit. Absolutely brilliant, and amazingly brutal to religious belief.
It's peculiar how we as western human society simultaneously consider forgiveness a virtue (the whole "turn the other cheek" thing), and have a justice system based heavily on vengence...
Hell of a country that will criminalize it!s own citizens. I have been walking barefoot on broken glass for 61 years because of Christian lawmakers. Christian lawmakers work in delirious ways. Near NOLA. Peace, LOL.
This was excellent, thanks Seth!!🥳 Say high to your critters for me!🥰
Say high ? LOL
This is wonderful!
This was awesome, thanks
Hey Seth, where can I see that old video you made comparing science and religion?
B.T.W. you guys are awesome.
One small blessing is that, according to Clearsky, Jordan Peterson is the most blocked account on Bluesky.
Blessing?🤣
GREAT fkg charity work, gentlemen. Absolutely astounding.
We have all (hopefully) learned the necessity of well-practiced skeptical thinking. We all owe a debt of gratitude. Thank you.
Matt is sharp minded, he is super honest, I like that in a person.
He's more patient than people think as well
@@bellywood7688 This is the only problem. I'm not interested in back and forth tribal politics. It destroys fun, I just want to play and hear about cool video games without social media influencers trying to instill conflict into everything. It cycles wars and problems.
@@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu I've just had a siesta and I'm a little dazed. Perhaps its because I haven't listened to the stream yet but I can't put your comment into context 🙃
@@bellywood7688 Past context, cause effect analysis (it polarizes people). It's a outrage community focused on bashing religion, it doesn't bring any value to my life (I don't care about petty arguments).
@@NicholasWilliams-uk9xu yeah thats fair enough 👍 I definitely can't handle hours and hours of it
Love your youtube Seth
“Fabulous conversation! 💖💗💓
Regarding our penal system, it seems we still haven't decided if it's for retribution or recovery. We sort of pretend it's both. I always argue that if a criminal is eventually going to be let out, don't you want their experience in prison be one of rehabilitation as opposed to anguish/torture?
One would hope.
The Poem written in war.
In Flanders Fields
BY JOHN MCCRAE (WW1)
In Flanders fields the poppies blow….
Between the crosses, row on row, that mark our place;
and in the sky, the larks still bravely singing, fly
scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Thank You! I love this poem.my father was a WW2 veteran.
Matt looking more and more ancient Greek nowadays. I like it.
Classic Greek names for Matt...?
Era...tosser...Thanos?
Wordplay is fun. But I've got nothin.
@@brucebaker810apparently the ancient meaning of matt is "gift of god"
Irony of losing head protection to guard a chin area., gods mysterious ways.
@@krisbest6405 Do we grow hair in our ears to listen less as we age?
where can we get the shirts!!??
Seth, the correct phase (in Spanish) is: "mano a mano" (hand to hand) You're saying "mano y mano" (hand and hand). Just thought you'd want to use the expression correctly. Great discussion
I swear he kept saying “jota” 😂
@@Robin3615 No intiendo ni jota!
I thought i was crazy because people always refer to this phrase as if it means man to man and i knew that was innacurate lol
Matt should go on Rogan show, simply to talk to him about skepticism and debunking misinformation. The same as Michael Shermere did, a couple of years back.
I don't believe in the 66 books of man made imagination
Man, this discussion is what I think about almost daily. That everything we do is the result of many factors that are out of our control. From upbringing, to brain chemistry, outside influences (people around us, organizations, religions), etc. There is causation behind every terrible thing done by someone. There is no "evil" in the world. That is a manmade concept. And realizing that completely changes how you see the world. Jeffery Dahmer wasn't "evil." He was severely mentally ill. Adam Lanza wasn't "evil." He was mentally ill and had access to firearms. Cause and effect.
Exactly. Check out what Dr Robert Sapolsky has to say about how little free will we actually have.
We are very flawed biological machines. No free will.
@@mikesolarz1561 What I love about Sapolsky is that he is honest about how hard that concept is to conceptualize for people, because we "feel" like we have free will. He even discusses his struggles with it. It actually make it easier to understand when he shows that.
Same!
I don’t do social media and I don’t watch commercials. But is that because I’m “choosing”not to participate in social media or “choosing” not to watch commercials or am I just wired to be adverse to it? I am fascinated by this idea of no free will. I’m an Ex Mormon. In Mormonism I was taught god gave us free agency/will so we can choose to do all the right things to live back in his presence. Of course the choices are all bound by eternal consequences. And if god is all knowing then god already knows our choices before we do so why put people thru all the nonsense to begin with? Religions are whacky and Mormonism is one of the whackiest!
OMG "THE LEGACY OF KAT". This is amazing.
Carman! When I woke up this morning and drove to work I never would have guessed I'd be thinking about going to a Carman concert in my youth.
Carman lmfao
53:30 while my child was in middle school a bully called him gay, and my son just said, that isn’t an insult, it’s just someone’s sexuality. The bully had no comeback.
I'm a neuroscience student and if anyone is interested in learning more about biological determinism, the neuroscience of human volition (AKA "free will") see Patrick Haggard's work. Sapolsky is great, but he's far from being the only one who studies this. In fact there's many studies by multiple researchers(see Benjamin Libet) There's a good reason why most neuroscientists are determinists...evidence.
Thanks for the recommendation! I’m a huge fan of this discussion.
Evidence of what exactly? We have nowhere near the amount of evidence or resolution of neural phenomena that is assumed. Just to be cautious…
@@christopherhamilton3621go look up the work of Karl Lashley with rat neurology.
They took rats, had them run mazes, then isolated and removed the neurology associated with the memories of running the maze. They could then put that neurology into other rats, that could then run the maze perfectly; they didn't have to "learn" the maze because the neurology gave them the memories of running the maze.
We are the memories that we accumulate over time, if those experiences are removed, who we are fundamentally changes.
They can also duplicate the memories with artificial neurology, and turn the memories on/off with a remote switch, the same way we can change the data stored in a computer.
to say that most neuroscientists are determinists is a bit reductive imo... as of the last couple decades or so, i think the most common position is no longer that of pure determinism, but rather a more complex interaction of genetic, epigenetic, environmental and socio-cultural factors. At least, that's my impression. That said, i study animal cognition, so you probably know more than me about this stuff 😅 I'll definitely check out Haggard's work.
Ripping a telephone book in half was a trick my dad showed me, he used to use to impress as a sales gimick when he would be buying and selling machinery.
So where's the store where I can buy a kat t-shirt?
I haven’t yet seen the entire episode, but I'm wondering if Seth and Matt take into account the "hungry judge effect", where repeated studies have shown, conclusively, that getting or not getting bail is directly correlated with how long it has been since the judge ate.
A late friend of mine was an attorney, and he had a case in which the judge showed up in a Hawaiian shirt and shorts, explaining that he was leaving for vacation as soon as the trial was over. My friend was incensed; I don't recall what he said exactly, but he did get the case continued. Super unprofessional of the judge.
The tattoo is 🔥
I love that drawing! It's awesomely hilarious! 😂
I won't comment on the U.S. justice system, but imprisonment for punishment seems like a silly idea. I will absolutely advocate for imprisonment for the purposes of safety. I like to think many convicts are capable of full reform, but I'm an optimist. The death penalty is completely immoral.
It should be called U.S. Revenge system. Punishment might be able to deter some, but learning the skills to control your impulses is better than punishing those who can't.
Harsh punishment and sentencing is only for the poor and defenseless. The rich and powerful don’t get the same. It’s clear for everyone to see how this “Justice “ system works.
Not just immoral costly and inaccurate. What happens when you get the wrong guy?
"The death penalty is completely immoral."
That's your opinion.
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe " learning the skills to control your impulses is better than punishing those who can't."
In lieu of incarceration, would you take a violent offender into your home so you can teach them those skills?
I agree with most of what you guys say. I'm neither a Republican or Democrat but people can't afford housing, homelessness is a major problem, people can't afford groceries and are working 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. I'm not as educated as you but this is the reality.
Nobody knew about god before humans existed, and humans were around over 200,000 years before we mentioned him, this god is a human creation made in Our own image based on a failed storm/war god. God has always been a banner for whose dad has the biggest gun.
In some ways I think Matt answered his own question in regards to the validity of Christianity turning him into an Atheist.
He acknowledges that he began in earnest to become "the best Christian he could be".
I find it strange that people think Atheists have NO humility, when often, it's exactly the opposite. Doing it with integrity and honesty can't possibly include religion.
A hard question was asked in this video when they were talking about the death penalty, “you wouldn’t put Hitler in front of a firing squad?” and as much as I would say he would have deserved it I don’t think I could, because Hitler himself in a way did that and I can’t stomach the idea of agreeing with him.
"Say what you want about Hitler, but he did kill Hitler." - Jimmy Carr.
Yo! Love the Kat pic you drew, that was too funny!
Seth: "I had Imposter Syndrome talking to Sapolsky."
Now you know how I felt a couple years ago talking to First Coast Freethought Society about Street Epistemology. They have guests like you and Mandisa Thomas! I was a relative beginner compared to Anthony or Reid. I only got through it with the help of my friends and mentor, but still, Seth Andrews with years of public speaking vs. me. I wasn't uite as much of a beginner when I finished. Just sayin'.
OMG I remember Carman and "Witch's Invitation!"
I always enjoy watching you and Matt Dillahunty talking. Thanks for sharing this!
On the last caller: if you're currently willing to pay good money to have your head preserved, your head may not be the part worth preserving.
I think he's overlooked a lot of issues - even if it could 100% be done right now, should it?
Do we want the likes of Trump and Musk around forever as cyborgs? If everyone alive today could be preserved as a cyborg, what about future generations? Do we stop having babies, or do we continue to overpopulate the world?
If it's their money they are paying, why would you care how they spend it?
@@ziploc2000only the wealthy will be able to do it, and once a cyborg would no longer be making kids
@@cnault3244where did he say he cares? And if you assume he cares, the question is why do you care so much that you would assume a comment and the comment on that assumption.
I wonder how well he thinks he'll be prepared for the job market in 100-200 years. Congratulations, you're awake! Now get a job! Good luck!
The only reason I am an atheist is because I compared direct experience with Bible stories. My brain was unable to cope with the cognitive dissonance.
Good for you.
A lot of people see that cognitive dissonance as a threat to their faith and they tell themselves to push through it and believe anyway.
The overwhelming contradictions and fantastical stories mostly did it for me. The complete lack of evidence was the cherry on top.
Great show, I enjoyed it so much. Matt is an awesome guest.
If someone asks about punishing people if they don't have free will, my response is: Just because we don't have FREE will, doesn't mean we don't have WILL. A person doesn't choose what their brain decides for them, but their brain still makes a decision... which has consequences. (A brain that decides to kill people, knowing it's bad and they'd be put in jail for it, is a brain that deserves to be put in jail.)
Good and bad are irrelevant in such a premise.
@@wangsunfuh8889 what? how is removing agency from not yourself not bad?
@@madra000 There is no good or bad, just fizzy chemicals. Brain barf is not a source for knowledge or ethics.
@@wangsunfuh8889 Ofcourse there is good and bad, it depends on your definition of morality. Morality can be based on wellbeing, so anything that harms people is bad.
@@htpkey Definitions don't exist, just fuzzy brain chemicals.
My opinion on punishment and justice in a world absent of free will is that it is part of the preventative mechanism that enforces societal norms. Every outside stimulus can have an effect on our behavior and can affect our adherence to behavioral standards. Ultimately though, the best approach should be to provide rehabilitation for those that do harm and protection from those who cannot be rehabilitated.
The idea that we should not punish people when they commit crimes…. particularly crimes that harm others…. is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Maybe the desire to engage in criminal behavior can’t be helped, but people that act on those desires should most certainly be held accountable unless they have a condition that prevents them from understanding right from wrong and how their behavior is affecting others.
Also, saying that the threat of prison or worse, isn’t a deterrent for some criminally minded people is nonsense. There will never be a statistic for the number of crimes that weren’t committed due to fear of retribution.
Hi Matt, hi Seth, you guys rock! Cheers from Costa Rica!! The whole world is literally watching you!!! 👍🏼👍🏽👍🏾
Why would a 'superintelligence' be interested in re-animating the brain of someone with a pre-superintelligent brain?
💯💯💯this. Was searching for this comment.
There would be no benefit for them. Future people would not do it for the same reason.
I was a JW until I red this in the bible,
Ecclesiastes 3:19 New International Version 19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath[a]; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.
Joe Rogan is an average guy whose power leverage went over his intellect and knowledge.
I'm British and regularly watch Seth ,Matt ,Forrest, Jim Barrows, Eric (S&S) and many many other hosts on The Thinking Atheist. I'm also an atheist of very long standing and absolutely love the show.
I want a Kat T-Shirt!
same
I love this chill format
Rick Wilson on Steve Bannon: He's cancer with legs. That's Alex Jones to a T.
I've always been an atheist. I went to Catholic school from K-6th grade. When we started to learn the bible, I was thinking " this is silly".
I can remember being in church at the age of 6 and looking around at the adults thinking "these people actually believe this stuff?"
😂
Where can we buy that shirt????
So cool for Matt to recommend Forrest being on Rogan. He’s right too. He would crush it.
Matt. At 1:06:00, would you say some of the issues in your breeder community are cases of reptile disfunction?
I lost my patience for Rogan when he became a "science journalist" and started platforming people with views he could offer no push back to. He's not the only one at it either, Diary of a CEO is another one - just sits their and says "wow" while guests spew their "warm diarrhea"...
Rogan used to do regular fact checking, but that was before he went full Alex Jones and started shilling his own brand of supplements
I want me some Kat t-shirt! Is Seth planning to make it available?
Rogan did change his stance on the moon landing....however.. Lately he has been, again, speaking like maybe it didnt happen. I share Mats frustration with the American people. It is depressing. I feel like it is only going to get worse.
... I've drawn an image of Donald Trump on every sheet of a role of toilet paper ... can't wait to get the trots ! ...
18:24 Man! I just have a ƃuıʞɔnɟ heart attack! I used to work at a FCS and had to inventory caseloads of those things every year.
Please tell me how you got those letters upside down???
I NEED to be able to get past the RUclips censors sometimes!!!
LoL! 😂. Thanks!
@@randibgood I used the text replacement feature built in to my handheld’s system. To program it, I visited a website offering a simple text substitution box which replaces common letters with characters meant for either phonetic pronunciation or something else. They’re essentially ASCII characters not commonly used but are similar to the letter but inverted. I paste in the words or phrases I want to invert, copy the output and paste that into the settings. Then, when I type whatever word I want to invert, the system does it automagically. iOS has the feature built into it, and Android offers G-board to effect the same thing.
@@carguybikeguy
Way more than I have time for. I was hoping like the * at the beginning and end of words will make them bold, here on RUclips. Something simple.
Thanks for the info!
Did you see the heads?
I comment to help the video, I don't care if anyone reads it
Dont worry lots of people does
Are you selling the Kat tshirt?
Dillahunty stole James Randis beard
Well, James wasn't using it much any more. So...
Can I buy that shirt!!???
Please, People!!! Stop Ronald McDonald Chump at all costs!!! Thank You.
Where can I get this t-shirt?😅
Joe Rogan is the new "coast to coast am". But more dangerous.
I saw carmen when i was a good little Christian. I had Lazarus and isnt it amazing on cassette replay. Very powerful for a young teen
KAT
RUclips suggests translating this to "CAT" :)
@@nitehawk86Silly youtube. Kat is Kat!
22:20 I own a red-lettered KJVer (Easy Reading) edition that actually has the Old Testament red-lettered also. Jesus in his alter-ego form said a lot more in the OT than the NT, and most of those OT words aren't nearly as edifying as the NT ones. Even though the JesusGod person said that the FatherGod person was "greater than me", apparently his words were not since most Bibles don't bother to red-letter the OT words of FatherGod. In fact, in the OT, it is often difficult to distinguish the direct words of FatherGod from those of the angels and prophets who quote him. I believe that might be why most Bibles don't color the words of FatherGod. There is a disclaimer in the preface of this Bible stating "since neither the OT Hebrew nor the NT Greek manuscripts use quotation marks, it is often difficult to determine whether God of Christ is speaking directly".
Joe Rogan is a friend of Alex Jones? I will be avoiding Joe Rogan from now on 👎
He's infrequently amusing, but yes... like AJ and other modern shock-jock / talking-heads he's basically just another shit-mouth for hire.
That's the thing that got you to start avoiding him?!?! You are ok with spreading antiscience, creationist nonsense?!
Only 4 billion people will be watching Joe Rogan now 😂
@@johnyates5061 sad but true
@@Sejl What?? No I'm not okay with spreading anti-science. Sometimes Joe Rogan had some interesting people on his show like Neil Degrass Tyson. That's why I used to watch.
The “right way to Christian” is to pay more attention to the words in red than the words in black. Too many Christians prefer the Old Testament to punish their enemies and the New Testament when they want forgiveness for their sins. It’s the hypocrisy of most Christians that’s ruining the experience for everyone else in the faith.
Matt lost me when he started advocating for transwomen in women's sport.
Me too. His whole "trans women ARE women" was a step too far.
You likely don't kn ow much about the issue and trans women are women . I know several and they are women. Leave bigotry at church.
@@robinhood20253okay, define “woman” without using the word in the definition
He only does it because if he didn't he won't get any nookie from Aden. Let me be clear. I don't care what you think you are, how you choose to appear, etc. But saying you are something does not make you that thing. This is cultural appropriation for gender.
You know, it’s odd. Before conservatives starting pushing anti-trans propaganda, the ONLY time I heard people talk about women’s sports, was to ridicule them. Makes it really hard to believe any of you actually give a s*** about women’s sports.
I’m all for removing “sin” as a justification for reacting to anything. The word “sin” may not show up in our laws and statutes, but it remains the basis for the remedy.
Matt Diligunty and Aron Ra both have a serious interest in snakes. there are videos of them together shopping for new snakes. to add to their collections of snakes. Aron Ra has probably twenty snakes. however I'm not sure how many snakes that Matt Diligunty has? because the videos I seen were Aron Ra videos.
*_This is why_** ;* _(follow the fool)_
Because fools speak with absolute certainty & unshakeable confidence,
while the wise speak with caution & reserve.
Oh, man, The Power Team! I remember my dad took me to see them as a kid. They even had a "soundtrack" full of Christian songs. I remember enjoying it at the time, but I was like 5-6. I definitely remember Carmen too. Probably had all his cassettes back in the day.
Co-worker told me his church recently merged with another church in the area. IDK why: probably costs of running 2 different facilities. Anyway, it gave me great joy to ask him, "Did you have to switch gods?" He was crestfallen
53:26 "if you come after Arden... you come after all of us..." 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
Where can we get that shirt?
Is that Drawing/T shirt representative of the "Kat Kind"? Maybe Ken Hovind would like one.
IMO, you two are the GOATS. Thank you for this.
24:00 For my generation we would reference Dogma being protested. 😂 Kevin Smith joined in!
Hearing Jordan Peterson describe atheism as "an illegal chess move" and knowing what I know about him and his many MANY complexes, it strikes me that he thinks of it only as it relates to him. Like he believes people are only atheists specifically to argue about it.
Love that you mentioned the power team. Maybe a little after their prime they came to my small town church in Texas when I was a teenager. Blast from the past lol.
As an atheist I have a tremendous amount of respect for both of you. I find it really odd though that Matt would say so matter-of-factly that eating only meat will kill you, when that is absolutely false. I can point him to many people in the carnivore space that have eaten only meat for DECADES, with bloodwork and other health markers to back up the effectiveness of being carnivore. I myself have been meat-only for a year, and my health, energy, and mental state are so much better.
24:40 In my generation, there were some Christians complaining about the game Mass Effect, calling it a "p**n simulator" and the console a "S*xbox" on Fox News, Geoff Keighley was invited to comment about the game and when he asked the very upset Christian lady if she had played the game, she said 'No'
During the "Life of Brian is blasphemous" times, Not-the-nine-o'clock-news did a skit where they just turned it around. When the lord and savior J.C. is John Cleese you can get the picture.
Great memories. Outstanding show. Rowan Atkinson, Pamela Stephenson , Griff Jones …….just an amazing period of pommy entertainment. Thanks for reviving the memory
I guess I've had a critical mind for a long time. I was thinking about a few times in Junior high when my friends, who were involved in YFC (youth for Christ), tried to convince me to answer the "call" at a gathering. I always felt that I couldn't do that because it smacked to me of a cultish mind set. It was around that time that I stopped go to church (Presbyterian), my parents never pressured me. So I guess I was lucky. I have progressed thru Buddhism, and paganism, and seemed to arrive at the place where I have no proof that a supreme being exists. I really enjoy the shows, and find those who I've seen to be some of the most intelligent people I have ever heard.
Love these two ❤️
Seth and Matt are always a huge breath of fresh air.