Better than Apple Vision Pro? Play For Dream MR VR 8K Android hands on test and first impressions!

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024

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  • @GanJJGames
    @GanJJGames  2 месяца назад +2

    Are you interested in what you see?
    And yeah, you don't need a power bank to use it. If you want much longer sessions though - charging it on the go is totally an option!
    00:00 - Recap
    00:22 - Intro
    00:59 - First impressions (passthrough, FOV, display)
    02:34 - Comfortable
    03:00 - Stereo video 1
    03:39 - MR aquarium
    04:06 - MR TV screen
    04:55 - Stereo videos 2
    05:34 - Self-shot stereo video
    06:05 - Stereo photos
    06:42 - Shooting video myself
    08:29 - My top strap recommendations
    10:04 - Forgot I'm wearing it (swapping HMD to a charged one)
    10:18 - VR cinema + sound check
    11:06 - MR boxing (older controllers for now)
    12:06 - VR MR Ping-Pong
    13:31 - MR PC productivity demo (2 screens)
    15:30 - DEVICE SPECS (reading in passthrough)
    16:19 - Demo thoughts and suggestions
    17:57 - SUMMARY begins (FOV, display, comfort)
    19:20 - It's a prototype
    20:21 - ANDROID!
    22:08 - PCVR support out of the box! +controllers
    23:06 - Lower price
    24:14 - I'm excited :)
    25:54 - Spatial computing recap (vs AVP)
    27:11 - Swapping HMDs anecdote
    28:42 - Conclusions

  • @mastorasmars2326
    @mastorasmars2326 Месяц назад +9

    It be nice if it comes to the US, we are lacking any high end standalone android headset. Next 2-3 years will be so much better when Meta, Samsung, Lenova, Asus, start pumping them out so true next gen high end ones.

    • @marvyrvygarvy408
      @marvyrvygarvy408 Месяц назад

      They’re doing a global release. I seen it on Kickstarter

  • @TheSpacemanSpliff
    @TheSpacemanSpliff Месяц назад +2

    Good thing you mention the top strap. Definitely having an optional strap would be good. Also having the option to switch to a full PCVR headset would be awesome.

  • @spidermonkeynr1
    @spidermonkeynr1 Месяц назад +7

    I glad you said display port. We need that and the top strap

    • @SETHalpine
      @SETHalpine Месяц назад +2

      We need USB-type C with Display port 2.1 protocole. And not a old DP1.4 cable with USB cable (mandatory for energy and data) and Compression (DSC).
      But this device will prefer an autonomous WiFi mode with ton of compression due to the bad performance of decoding of the XR2+
      Quality picture can be very good IF only they add a capable chipset in this device (unlike Quest3), but it means bigger power consumption and additional cost to compensate the Qualcomm's chipset weakness.
      and remember that they've great displays, but we don't know the real resolution rendered by XR2+....(well below the AVP's chipset)in stand alone mode...
      Their specifications shows clearly the difference between the display resolution and the lower rendered resolution in autonomous mode, the greatest results would be with the power of a PC of course.

    • @powerhouse884
      @powerhouse884 Месяц назад

      Dude a DisplayPort cable is hideously large for mobile devices. There is a reason they use USB C. You will definitely need an adapter if you expect any display port connection.

    • @CrazyBAMTech
      @CrazyBAMTech 14 дней назад

      I hope the Kickstarter will allow me to buy one. I am from Germany

  • @gamers-generation
    @gamers-generation Месяц назад +2

    Definitely interesting! Can't wait to hear/see more!

  • @wishmaster7509
    @wishmaster7509 2 месяца назад +2

    This is truly an amazing device. From your words - more comfortable and better weight distribution (this is important during long exercises). You offered them two different devices:
    1) Morning/MR
    2) PCVR.
    This is a cool and good idea))) A good strategy for increasing sales and the number of consumers. For some it’s the first, for others it’s the second)) I’m a sailor, and to relax in my free time at sea I only need AM/MR devices. For playing at home - PCVR. Believe me, I will buy both))
    I'm glad to see this nice prototype. It’s very nice that I can charge via cable directly from any power supply (battery, 220 W charging adapter with a long cable). If this device has a simple strap without any power at the back, that's fine too. A good choice for watching movies on the bed, while the headset battery will not bother you, all that remains is the strap at the back + the power cable connection.
    I will wait for news about this device (PCVR capabilities)
    Bigg, thank you))

  • @paulnicolas172
    @paulnicolas172 Месяц назад +2

    Am personally waiting for a headset with bigger fov as the resolution of current headsets is good enough but we need to increase fov from an average minuscule 110 degrees to increase immersion- I always feel I’m peering into a virtual world through a pair of goggles as opposed to being in one.

  • @ariksax
    @ariksax 17 часов назад

    May I ask if the Lags we see on the transmission from the Tablet are caused by the transmission delay or does the real headset also have lags?

  • @YoungMoneyFuture
    @YoungMoneyFuture Месяц назад +1

    Very nice, organized, and informative vid! I would love to see a vid about the Google/Samsung headset that's releasing Dev kit in Oct. 2024 and cosumer release in March 2025 to compare to the Apple Vision Pro and this Android Dream Headset

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks! Yeah, I'd love to test that one as well! If anyone is willing to send it to me for a review - I'm totally covering it in the most imformative way :)

  • @jilldelorey7070
    @jilldelorey7070 2 месяца назад +3

    Thanks for the video. For people in North America, how can we order it? Does it support Chinese markets only? Are they allowing overseas shipping? Any warranty?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  2 месяца назад +2

      They mentioned global release, but I don't know much about details. Should be more clear closer to the release date.

  • @Sofian375
    @Sofian375 Месяц назад +2

    How was the FOV and the brightness compared to the Quest 3?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +3

      FOV is less (claimed 103 vs claimed 110), can't say anything about brightness; it was "bright enough" for me (I usually make all my headsets reasonably dim to reduce the eye strain)

  • @Skarredghost
    @Skarredghost 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for this great video!

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  2 месяца назад +1

      You are always welcome Tony!

  • @Josh-jx3lh
    @Josh-jx3lh Месяц назад +1

    even though you mentioned the desire for a top strap, do you feel this headset would still be comfortable in long sessions without it? Or do you think the top strap would be an absolute necessity?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      I guess, I'd be able to use it for a few hours (especially with a 3rd party/DIY custom face cushion which suits my face a tad more) without topstrap; but honestly for my use cases I'd see no reason not to do a top strap myself, if not available out of the box :) Some piece of cloth would be totally servicable (like I did for Pimax Crystal in my recent videos).

  • @Amiruddin858
    @Amiruddin858 Месяц назад +2

    Will this have the Google play store and can you connect it to the ps5 via hdmi for a giant screen to play on

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +2

      I would assume that global release might happen with Google Play onboard. As for HDMI in, I think it's possible like it's possible for Quest with special HDMI dongles: ruclips.net/video/Gez65bhp-Xo/видео.html

  • @Nobody-Nowhere
    @Nobody-Nowhere Месяц назад +1

    I assume the PCVR support is wireless, so it cant utilize the full resolution of the panels.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      They might implemet USB-C cable streaming, but yeah, it's not display port connection

  • @randycowles9858
    @randycowles9858 3 дня назад

    Thanks for the early look. I just backed this. Do you know if you can the language to english?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  2 дня назад

      I'm confident global release will be done with English language interface, otherwise it doesn't make sense

  • @bgone5520
    @bgone5520 2 месяца назад +1

    i can see fro m the monitor that at least the camera resolution or outgoing feed to the monitor is crap.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  2 месяца назад

      I'd blame my wide angle lense the most. HMD resolution is great.

  • @calebweintraub1
    @calebweintraub1 Месяц назад +1

    Nice work

  • @Aitch26
    @Aitch26 Месяц назад +1

    nice to see more companies getting involved. Apple is just overpriced for the status symbol. This is good for people who don't care about that. As long as the specs are as good, if not better, like the phone market these days

  • @marvyrvygarvy408
    @marvyrvygarvy408 3 дня назад

    I saw that this device is releasing globally via Kickstarter. Are you able to confirm with Play For Dream if it is real Kickstarter?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  2 дня назад

      What could I ask though? "Are you guys actually sending those devices to bakers or it's a scam and you are faking it?" :) Seems real to me, it's not their first product after all.

    • @HealyPerson
      @HealyPerson 2 дня назад +1

      ​@@GanJJGamesI think the comment above is asking if the Kickstarter is verified as being from this company.
      Rather than some dude with no affiliation to them. Email address in Kickstarter is a Gmail account, no official social media from them mentioning this. So not obvious if it's legit

    • @marvyrvygarvy408
      @marvyrvygarvy408 День назад

      I reached out to the official Play For Dream WeChat and they confirmed that the Kickstarter is in fact them and it real. I just wanted to confirm it wasn’t someone pretending to be Play For Dream and scamming people.

  • @TonyStark-yj6iv
    @TonyStark-yj6iv Месяц назад +1

    Can I connect to a android smart phone like the Apple Vision Pro connect to the iPhone?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      Good question. I haven't seen this functionality, but it could exist. A matter of software.

  • @antoniojohnson3925
    @antoniojohnson3925 Месяц назад +1

    I wouldn’t say better than Apple you have to remember the Vision Pro is powered by a ship that Apple manufacturers is this headset is snapdragon big difference lol

  • @basvh666
    @basvh666 Месяц назад +1

    Does it work with apple devices ?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      No idea, unfortunately. I haven't had a chance to test it in conjunction with Android nor iOS.

  • @bunbohue369
    @bunbohue369 Месяц назад +1

    I just bought the quest 3 last week, should I return and wait for this one.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +2

      Nah, I don't think so. If you bought it for standalone games - Quest 3 is a must have. If you want it for productivity (virtual screens) + PCVR use (and you have 4090/will switch to 5090) then you can wait until release and see if you want to switch, when this one arrives.

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume Месяц назад

      no

  • @FotachuOff
    @FotachuOff Месяц назад +1

    What would be the price? Does it supports ethernet?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      23:23 for price. Ethernet? Why would they. WiFi - absolutely.

    • @FotachuOff
      @FotachuOff Месяц назад +1

      @@GanJJGames Yes but as far as wifi waves are concerned, we don't have much experience of these technologies... It could cause brain cancer, for example. Besides, ethernet is faster

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      @@FotachuOff never heard about VR HMDs with ethernet. Let me know which existing models have it :) Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if you could use a USB-C dock station which has ethernet port for your specific use case. Maybe it would even work (it's Android after all), but I doubt the speed of such connection would be faster than WiFi 6/7

    • @FotachuOff
      @FotachuOff Месяц назад +2

      @@GanJJGames Hi, Quest 3 does not support the USB C dock station, but Pico 4 does for example. That's why I was wondering if this would work on the Play for Dream

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      Well noted. To be clarified then, I guess. Time will tell

  • @John-oo9xu
    @John-oo9xu Месяц назад +1

    Estemated retail price?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      Check timecodes / video description

  • @kevinslatten9573
    @kevinslatten9573 Месяц назад +1

    Take my money, i want one and i want one now. When can i buy this?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      After the global release, to be confirmed

    • @kevinslatten9573
      @kevinslatten9573 Месяц назад +1

      @@GanJJGames did they mention anything about pcvr software?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      Check video description

  • @blackhat856
    @blackhat856 Месяц назад +1

    Refresh rate?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      Check timecode for SPECS

  • @Sky-8646
    @Sky-8646 10 дней назад

    If it can link to phone and side load android apps it will be very cool. Like pico 4 ultra..

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  10 дней назад

      Don't see why not. Quest 2 and 3 sideloads apps just fine.

  • @ndoki9
    @ndoki9 Месяц назад

    what of prescription lenses?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      02:16 - magnetic inserts. 3rd party I assume (unless there will be an option to purchase it with Play for Dream inserts which I doubt would be the case)

  • @rentaroanaka419
    @rentaroanaka419 Месяц назад +1

    uff looks terrible O.o The virtual objects don't stay in place when you move your head, but instead move and move with you. The aquarium (virtually) is supposed to be at the back of the wall, but when you wave your hands in front of it, your hands are suddenly BEHIND the aquarium, which is supposedly BACK ON THE WALL.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      You are correct, there were 2 issues present:
      1. Virtual objects were drifting sometimes (not always though). Apparently, some spatial anchors were still to be fixed.
      2. Hand occlusion wasn't working during the demo. Still to be tested after actual product release.
      So, something to be polished until release date, but isn't "impossible to fix". I'm definitely interested in testing the finished product again closer or the release date.

  • @antoniojohnson3925
    @antoniojohnson3925 Месяц назад

    Also this is just open android the Apple vision is macOS big difference

  • @fluidspatial
    @fluidspatial Месяц назад +2

    👀

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      That's right, I thought of you guys right away :)

  • @topandrun126
    @topandrun126 Месяц назад +1

    I just need a high-end display to watch 3D VR movies. Not so much of a VR gamer only flight simulator.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +2

      For 3d movies this one felt on par if not better than Apple Vision Pro. Though you also could consider XR glasses like Viture Pro or latest XREAL, they are for watching 3d content (not games).

    • @liangjason3933
      @liangjason3933 Месяц назад +1

      @@GanJJGames to be more specific, why do you feel its better? there is no 4k 3d content except on vision pro, so what makes you feel 1080p source betters the 4k counterpart?

    • @Requiemes
      @Requiemes Месяц назад +1

      @@liangjason3933 what do you mean there is no 4k 3d content? It's full of 4k, 6k, even 8k SBS videos online. I mean it's mostly porn, but still...

  • @b00rak
    @b00rak 28 дней назад

    No display port. Hard pass.

  • @powerhouse884
    @powerhouse884 Месяц назад +1

    Unless they are able to TOP or EQUAL the Vision Pro eye tracking navigation then this will not be better.
    The resolution on the Vision Pro is already overkill. More pixel are not going to make this better. The reason the AVP was praised was because of how intuitive it felt to use. The navigation felt effortless and natural.
    The entire demo i saw you with controllers and looked very tacky. I am glad is cheaper and has nice resolution for the price and is lighter. ALL VALID IMPROVEMENTS. But saying its better is nonsense imho specially from an unfinished product.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      I agree, they still need to put a lot of work into this one to be able to compete with AVP in terms of usability. As I stated multiple times - it's a prototype, not a finished product; so the final judgement can be delivered only after it's officially finished and can be properly tested.
      My message is more in line with "the potential of this prototype is really high, and the hardware is already on par with AVP, which means with a decent software it'd be a great addition to a current VR market".
      Feel free to check timestamps and video description for my actual comments, I stated there very clearly why do I think it's already better (and more interesting for me as a personal purchase, than AVP).

    • @powerhouse884
      @powerhouse884 Месяц назад

      @@GanJJGames If Apple releases the NONE PRO Apple Vision with the same price as this one…. Its OVER for these guys but we’ll see.
      Maybe this one will have better resolution and games… but the Apple Vision connects with Macbooks by looking at them. The Software from Apple is effortless and user friendly, you can’t beat that with hardware.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      Well, "OVER" is a stretch. After all, Play For Dream never tried to outshine Apple, since the scale of those 2 companies is simply different. They are just doing what they can, tapping into the niche of the market yet not taken care of.
      Me personaly - I'm absolutely not a fan of the whole Apple ecosystem. I've been an Iphone user for ~5 years and Mac for ~8. And I hated it every time I couldn't do the thing I wanted and needed to. Android allows it, Apple ecosystem - does not. Therefore, while I'm not a fan of Meta as a corporation, I'd choose Quest 3 over Apple Vision Pro any day due to Quest 3 being an Android device, which I can set up and tune to my liking (and which is really hard to do with this locked up AVP Vision OS).
      So, is Apple big for a reason? Absolutely.
      Are there many people, which will appreciate PCVR support, Android flexibility, controllers for gaming out of the box? You bet, I'm one of them.

  • @ralexand56
    @ralexand56 Месяц назад +2

    You sound very anti apple. Don't see anything here that seems better than the vp and I don't believe a couple hundred pixel will make a difference. You also didn't try the interface without controllers which is a no go for me.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      People needs are different. If you are already a heavy Apple user (iphone, Mac, ipad, apple watch etc.) then nothing really will integrate better with all of it than Apple themselves. For me personally though Apple's lack of freedom, lack of tunability and flexibility is a no go. I'm also a PC VR user, so an Android headset which provides PC VR support and decent controllers out of the box (good luck with playing proper VR games with hand and eye tracking only ) is waaaay more useful than AVP without controllers, without android and without native PC VR.
      As for Play for Dream MR - it's still a prototype, work in progress. I'll give them a benefit of doubt with regards to eye and hand tracking. If they nail those 2 - it's really hard for me to choose AVP over PfD MR.

    • @ralexand56
      @ralexand56 Месяц назад +2

      @@GanJJGames fair enough. I don't give benefit of doubt. You have to show me. Different people have different wants. The vp wasn't made for the video game beat saber warriors. It's made for those who want to consume basic content in a compelling way so more of a laptop /iPad replacement.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      ​@@ralexand56yep, totally agree. My biggest gripe with AVP is that they could make it a standalone Mac, since it has M2 chip inside. But they chose to make standalone Ipad, which totally diminishes it's value for "all in heavy productivity users".
      If it'd be an XR Mac - the price of 3500usd would be quite acceptable.

    • @Mr.N0.0ne
      @Mr.N0.0ne Месяц назад

      ​​@@ralexand56 In my opinion, the AVP was made for tech reviewers to promote (but not actually enjoy using) and Apple fans with excess disposable income to buy and end up not finding it useful.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      ​@@Mr.N0.0ne I treat AVP as a dev kit for XR software and game developers. It'll become an actually nice apple XR device when gen2 of gen3 comes in a few years.

  • @boblatouche2273
    @boblatouche2273 3 дня назад

    another scam headset maybe>?

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  2 дня назад

      I can only vouch for what I saw with my eyes :) The company is real, that prototype is real, they released headsets before. I hope they'll do alright with this one as well.

    • @boblatouche2273
      @boblatouche2273 2 дня назад

      @@GanJJGames I really hope we have a real headset this time, the kickstarter isn't a good way to promote a headset as most have been a scam.

  • @n9ne
    @n9ne Месяц назад

    why they steal the look of the vision pro is weird though it's not a good looking piece of hardware. apple hasn't really made good looking hardware in ages they still do what they did decade ago. it looks like a pair of sky goggles.
    not me thinking this either i watched someone do a month long stream in the vision pro in public and everyone called it sky goggles this was in europe a little after the launch of the vision pro. people don't like the way this thing looks.
    the bigscreen beyond looks much better visually.

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад

      Bigscreen beyond has way less hardware inside though. But yeah, it's purely a taste preference. And, I guess, for Play for Dream it felt like a safe move to somewhat get inspired by AVP (since Apple is still setting visual trends, which China follows up with later on) than to make a mistake of coming up with something both unique and weird "retro sci-fi" looking :)

  • @moderngunguy3666
    @moderngunguy3666 Месяц назад

    This guy says if it was $1,500 or a $2,000 that would be good lol hell no that would not be good who needs to be around 5-600 bucks

    • @GanJJGames
      @GanJJGames  Месяц назад +1

      No, it needs to be 50 bucks