With cases like these, where the co-pilot could have saved everyone, I often imagine them looking at each other in the afterlife and the co-pilot just being like "I TOLD YOU SO!" I don't know why but it's so cathartic to think about that...like at least he knows in the end that he was in the right...
Actually, the poor kid didn't have to wait for the afterlife. Both pilots had a few seconds, based on the screaming at the end of the tape, that they were about to hit the mountainside...little consolation, I agree, for the young man; I don't think that they are on speaking terms in the afterlife though :). RIP to all the souls onboard.
One of these episodes was about a crash where the pilot was so full of himself he expected the copilot to sit quietly while he did everything. Every time the copilot opened his mouth he got yelled at. I'd like to think the copilot flipped him off as he ascended to heaven and the pilot went the opposite direction.
Welp, rip to the #1 rule: "Always trust your instrument's". We've all seen this movie before, where vindictive behavior can ultimately lead to catastrophic consequences. RIP to all!
Imagine your last words as an airline captain being you arrogantly mocking the copilot about being able to hold the plane in a path towards everyone's death, when he was trying to save you and everyone else. I wouldn't want that as my legacy. Pride precedes a fall, and a haughty spirit before destruction. I'm glad first officers now have the authority to take control.
Allowing the first officer to execute go around by himself does not go far enough because the captain could be actively or verbally preventing it. They should mandate the captain to cooperate or else get fired.
even tho there was some lack of trust between the two pilots its hard to fault the captain .. he was going by the instruments and felt confident in what he was seeing was correct . its really a tragedy .. and they have learned of the potential problems that can come from these instruments that can lead to the misreadings and alerts
That pretty much IS how it is. Any member of the flight crew can call a go-arround, and the call is final, can not be contested. If contested it leads to punishment or job termination of the person who contested it.@@xonx209
The dark humor is just rampant in this comment section on this video... But this is how we humans try to face such tragic things... with some form of humor... I sad after this episode, but y'all gave me a pick me up!
I think we'd all be a lot safer if systems, especially aircraft systems, were designed, not thinking, "this is what it does", but rather "what will happen if it doesn't".
True statement - From a standpoint of airplane manufacturing employee, this depends on many items. The plane itself, proper training, proper input in the manual, proper manual pilot training and the knowledge of the aircraft. If you have for example pilots from outside the US, the FAA has zero control over International pilots. Yes the FAA has bases in other countries but they can only advise.
Before I retired, I programmed industrial control systems. The thought of "what would happen if…" was always heavy on my mind. On one occasion I refused to install a program because the system was missing critical inputs that meant that in certain circumstances could have harmed or killed people. I installed the program after they added the inputs to the computer. I’m shocked the instrument in question wasn’t fail-safe. You make these things fail to a safe mode. In this case, the arrow should have pegged out on the too low side.
Here's a question, why would they NOT place lights on the hill when they built the runway? They place lights on tall buildings and towers that are not even in a direct path of a runway. One simple light on that hill would have avoided this crash.
Or at least a notification in the GPWS (Ground Proximity Warning System), or even the ILS systems to notify the pilots when their aircraft was out of place for a probable landing. It's just too sad that the captain didn't respect his co-pilot's assessment of the situation and decided to overrule his decision to go-around.
Expense. And I’m not sure how useful it would be. I’m more curious about the ground proximity radar reading. I’m shocked the airport didn’t have the low altitude warning system in place either. But I guess that comes down to expense too.
The airline could've learned a lesson from the 1976 Midway movie. Wherein Maxwell Leslie admonishes a technician who's still working out the bugs in the electric arming switch by telling him "I want them working and I mean 100% or I want them ripped out of every SBD in the squadron". If a mechanism is known to be faulty, then don't install it.
It never ceases to amaze me that a problem is not that big until it becomes catastrophic! The fact that the instrument itself was faulty and the industry didn’t IMMEDIATELY fix it is where the total failure occurred. Not the pilots or the plane itself it was the INSTRUMENT!
@@kurtvanluven9351I can't imagine using anything but top of the line electronics in such a critical environment where hundreds of lives could be at stake at any given time.
Alitalia flying DC-9s even into the 90s is one of the signs it was a very budget carrier. They squeezed euros until they scream. That the DC-9s were using outdated technology like drum pointers is dangerous as the U.S. Navy even studied the drum pointers and said they were not suitable as a life-critical instrument all the way back in the 1960s... However, I agree that the regulatory bodies like the FAA should have stepped in and issued an Airworthiness Directive mandating the removal of a cockpit instrument that can fail without any warning to the pilots that it failed. They shouldn't rely on a few letters from the manufacturers and some industry conferences to warn of the danger.
A cockpit doesn't need a tough captain. It needs a smart, reactive, and adaptive one. All these GI joe captains needs to be retrained, and only if it's possible to teach an old dog a new trick. Otherwise, they need to be let go from the company for everyone's safety.
There should never be a question about a go around. If anyone has a moment to think there may be cause for a go around, then you do the damned go around. Better to revisit it alive and in the pilots lounge than have a doc like this made about you and the lives you cost
With cases like these, where the co-pilot could have saved everyone, I often imagine them looking at each other in the afterlife and the co-pilot just being like "I FREAKING TOLD YOU SO!" I don't know why but it's so cathartic to think about that...like at least he knows in the end that he was in the right...
I am not sure if anyone else noticed that some Captains demean or intimidate their first officers instead of being part of a team. Some first officers become intimidated and fail to correct their Captain. If I was a first officer, I would speak up because my life and the life of the passengers are in danger.
Bean Counter logic here. Find a major fault in a system, but do not replace it until enough passengers die. MD knew the system was faulty and just issued a warning.
Anytime a fault is not fixed but is merely announced, soon or later it would results in an accident. And if this practice is allowed, pilots may have to memorize hundreds of equipment failure possibilities and their work-around.
@@noahcheckman8542 That is spot on: MD executives like Harry Stonecipher basically took over Boeing management following their merger with MD in 1997. "When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm."
Though it is interesting to note that though you are correct to a point, commercial air travel is one of the few industries where safety correlates with profits more than it does not. Air disasters are huge media events, and too many will cause a loss of business. If we crashed planes at the same rate we did in the 1970s, for instance, we would be looking at hundreds of deaths annually in the US. In fact, aboard US commercial jetliners, there has been only a single death since 2001. THAT is truly astounding.
There is a reason most modern critical instruments are designed to give an off-scale warning when they fail. For example, in the Columbia Shuttle disaster the temperature readings in the wheel well reported 'off-scale low' leading up to the disaster. Since these temperatures have certain expected operational ranges and during the time they were expected to report high temperatures the default of off-scale low meant they failed. Defaulting to 'expected' readings when an instrument fails is dangerous.
I wanted to become a commercial pilot, but things didnt work out that way (I am however an instrument rated private pilot and at one point had completed all the training for a commercial certificate). But if I had become a captain, no matter how certain I was that I was doing things right, if a crew member said we should Go Around then we would TOGA and argue about it later. Its like back when I was in the military and a guy ran up to me and said "I need a fire extinguisher" I didnt make him fill out a form or play 20 questions, I just handed him a fire extinguisher. In these crashes, the captain is always positive he knows what he's doing (Tenerife comes to mind right away). Sometimes he is correct.
Our normal approach procedure is for each pilot is to use their respective NAV receivers. There was a clear discrepancy between the two glideslope indicators, which would demand finding out which radio was correct.
..if the captain would have listened to this 1st officer, this wouldn't have happened...if EITHER pilot wishes a go-around SO BE IT!!...REGARDLESS.....and thanks for the new one! :)
7:27. I can’t conceive of countermanding a go-around declaration. That just seems like something you just don’t ever do. You hear it and jump to it. For all the pilot knew, the co-pilot spotted something urgent and critical. If nothing else, you can always yell at him later.
Wow 😳 it's almost like there was a really long series of evets that had to happen exactly perfect for one really bad thing to happen... Oh, that's exactly what happened 😮
@@NathanSimonGottemer i was making a joke based on it being flight 404 which im computer terms, Error code 404 is a DNS Error code saying the server couldnt be found
@@NathanSimonGottemer i think i mistook your first joke for correcting me lol. But i thought they were the same thing, because when the 404 pops the window says, Error: 404 the dns server couldnt be found or something along those lines
@@NathanSimonGottemer yea i thought you were saying the servers couldnt find the flight because of the faulty nav system, instead of the joke it was lol
If only the Co pilot wasnt interrupted they would've been Safelty on the runway R.I.P all who died Due to the Pilots Ignorance and Non Trust Instinct .....Kudos to the Co Pilot who tried his best to do what he thought was right and trusting his instinct Wish he wasnt stopped he could've SAVED THEM ALL 😢
I could never be a pilot or flight attendant, but I find airplanes fascinating (as well as airports, for some reason) 😂 I should have been an air traffic controller
I would say because they are rarely checked by mechanics, and not critical to keeping the plane airworthy - thus a lower priority over other systems. Then there's the extreme stress on the black boxes in a crash - subject to 1,800 degree C fire, submerged in a thousand-meter depth of water, etc. FDR and CVR are rated for extreme toughness but nothing is invincible.
@@davidmiller6593 I agree under "normal" conditions they are low priority and not necessary to keep the plane flying. However, after an accident they become high priority needed to gather data to maybe keep other planes flying.
@@OGtruthserum Nah, this was a clear case of conflicting personalities. The captain didn't trust his FO and let his arrogance lead to the crash despite the FO nearly saving the plane. Nothing to do with flying at night
They explain that later in the video. The Captain had a low opinion of the co-pilot and so trusted his instruments more than the First Officer's judgement. This was in 1990. Since then all airlines have emphasized "CRM" -- for pilots to respect each other's judgement and competence instead of a boss-sidekick relationship.
@@sakumar They did not explain, though, why the 1st officer (pilot flying) was concerned. I looked at the official report and their best guess is that he was looking at an alternate altimeter, or looked again at it again and correctly read it as 300 ft, whereas the pilot had probably misread it as 1,300 ft.
37:00 Yes, pilots bought the planes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is the manufactures fault for holding a seminar for anyone to come and get some information on a defect that the airline’s management should have been notified of.
Good thing this flight happened before the internet age really kicked off. Now days I dunno if I'd want to get on a flight with numbers associated with HTTP errors XD. Flight 500? Nah man, I think there might be an internal error with the engines or something....
Something that gets me is this: The first unit had the short, but in this presentation unit 2 was working correctly. The conflicting information should've alerted the pilots that something was amiss with their ILS system.
😢 Why do we always have to wait for an accident to happen 😕 to fix the problems ? Lives are in the hands of pilots, and yet they need more training I suppose 😢
I can never understand this. If I’m a pilot, right and im flying with another pilot and he’s disagreeing with what I am saying then OF COURSE I’m going to be like hey let’s pull up and figure this out. But this dunce was like no don’t pull up continue.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 I think it would qualify as a contributing factor, though a small one. But what's more puzzling, how is it that the Swiss, known for cutting edge technology, lagged 10 years behind the US in implementing the altitude warning system at their busiest airport. I mean MD we all know, is expected to slop together inferior parts and bogus designs. But the Swiss?
Depends, look at MDW. It's SURROUNDED by houses. Twice a plane went off the runway I know of. A kid got killed in the back seat of the family car on one.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 But if you have to build near mountains, you'd might think the Swiss would be at the cutting edge of safety. I was shocked that they were lagging behind the US by 10 years. What is up with that?
How could such an arrogant pilot correct his co-pilot after he attempted to make the correct call of a go-around approach? Obviously this was before CRM (Crew Resource Management) which gave every member of the crew an opinion, but still, you would imagine that the professional pilot would've at least looked out of the cockpit windshield and assessed the situation properly before correcting his co-pilot's decision to go around...
Safety is always relative of course. But in the last 20 years, the top ranked airlines have never been safer. Example: since 2001 there has been only ONE fatality involving a US jetliner. If that's not safe, tell me what is safer.
Big shock! McDonnell Douglas screwed up and manufactured a crappy plane…then Trojan horsed themselves into Boeing where they’ve been building crappy planes
This is all the pilot's fault, he should have listened to the copilot but instead he mocked him they could have not crashed if only the pilot wasn't a piece of trash
With cases like these, where the co-pilot could have saved everyone, I often imagine them looking at each other in the afterlife and the co-pilot just being like "I TOLD YOU SO!"
I don't know why but it's so cathartic to think about that...like at least he knows in the end that he was in the right...
Actually, the poor kid didn't have to wait for the afterlife. Both pilots had a few seconds, based on the screaming at the end of the tape, that they were about to hit the mountainside...little consolation, I agree, for the young man; I don't think that they are on speaking terms in the afterlife though :).
RIP to all the souls onboard.
I think in that same manner as well.
Yeah, that Captain had the last 30 seconds of his life realizing how much he royally screwed up.
One of these episodes was about a crash where the pilot was so full of himself he expected the copilot to sit quietly while he did everything. Every time the copilot opened his mouth he got yelled at. I'd like to think the copilot flipped him off as he ascended to heaven and the pilot went the opposite direction.
Welp, rip to the #1 rule: "Always trust your instrument's".
We've all seen this movie before, where vindictive behavior can ultimately lead to catastrophic consequences.
RIP to all!
Imagine your last words as an airline captain being you arrogantly mocking the copilot about being able to hold the plane in a path towards everyone's death, when he was trying to save you and everyone else. I wouldn't want that as my legacy. Pride precedes a fall, and a haughty spirit before destruction. I'm glad first officers now have the authority to take control.
Allowing the first officer to execute go around by himself does not go far enough because the captain could be actively or verbally preventing it. They should mandate the captain to cooperate or else get fired.
even tho there was some lack of trust between the two pilots its hard to fault the captain .. he was going by the instruments and felt confident in what he was seeing was correct . its really a tragedy .. and they have learned of the potential problems that can come from these instruments that can lead to the misreadings and alerts
I think there will be more GPS safety alert systems in the future.
@@craigbmm4675 it is literally the rule to go through with a go-around if someone calls it. it is the captain's fault.
That pretty much IS how it is. Any member of the flight crew can call a go-arround, and the call is final, can not be contested. If contested it leads to punishment or job termination of the person who contested it.@@xonx209
Never name your flight 404, because there will be errors and you won't be able to find it...
There'll definitely be that blue screen of death (in the sky)...
🤣🤣🤣
The dark humor is just rampant in this comment section on this video... But this is how we humans try to face such tragic things... with some form of humor... I sad after this episode, but y'all gave me a pick me up!
@@amberhoward7807 way to correctly human...
There was a mountain of evidence.
As much as I wish there was new content, I’m very glad there isn’t and hope it stays like this longer 🤞
I think we'd all be a lot safer if systems, especially aircraft systems, were designed, not thinking, "this is what it does", but rather "what will happen if it doesn't".
You are absolutely correct! I wish that all checklists and systems operations related to ALL aircraft were to implement this approach to safety.
True statement - From a standpoint of airplane manufacturing employee, this depends on many items. The plane itself, proper training, proper input in the manual, proper manual pilot training and the knowledge of the aircraft. If you have for example pilots from outside the US, the FAA has zero control over International pilots. Yes the FAA has bases in other countries but they can only advise.
Before I retired, I programmed industrial control systems. The thought of "what would happen if…" was always heavy on my mind. On one occasion I refused to install a program because the system was missing critical inputs that meant that in certain circumstances could have harmed or killed people. I installed the program after they added the inputs to the computer.
I’m shocked the instrument in question wasn’t fail-safe. You make these things fail to a safe mode. In this case, the arrow should have pegged out on the too low side.
Here's a question, why would they NOT place lights on the hill when they built the runway? They place lights on tall buildings and towers that are not even in a direct path of a runway. One simple light on that hill would have avoided this crash.
Or at least a notification in the GPWS (Ground Proximity Warning System), or even the ILS systems to notify the pilots when their aircraft was out of place for a probable landing. It's just too sad that the captain didn't respect his co-pilot's assessment of the situation and decided to overrule his decision to go-around.
Expense. And I’m not sure how useful it would be. I’m more curious about the ground proximity radar reading. I’m shocked the airport didn’t have the low altitude warning system in place either. But I guess that comes down to expense too.
That captain’s distrust of his copilot doomed 46 people.
Why are so many captains afraid of go arounds?
Love how the first officer on crossair 3507 has returned from the dead and works as an air traffic controller lol.
The airline could've learned a lesson from the 1976 Midway movie. Wherein Maxwell Leslie admonishes a technician who's still working out the bugs in the electric arming switch by telling him "I want them working and I mean 100% or I want them ripped out of every SBD in the squadron". If a mechanism is known to be faulty, then don't install it.
Wow. We are taught “trust your instruments”. Which is why the Capt. overruled the FO. The incompetence of the instrument manufacturer is stunning.
Thanks for the new episode. RIP to all lives lost 🙏
New? Um…no. Not new.
It never ceases to amaze me that a problem is not that big until it becomes catastrophic!
The fact that the instrument itself was faulty and the industry didn’t IMMEDIATELY fix it is where the total failure occurred.
Not the pilots or the plane itself it was the INSTRUMENT!
As an electronics technician, I am shocked junk like that was ever used!
and note the same people that made this thing are now in charge of Boeing
@@kurtvanluven9351I can't imagine using anything but top of the line electronics in such a critical environment where hundreds of lives could be at stake at any given time.
But all of that could have been overcome if only the Captain had accepted the need for a bit of humility.
Alitalia flying DC-9s even into the 90s is one of the signs it was a very budget carrier. They squeezed euros until they scream. That the DC-9s were using outdated technology like drum pointers is dangerous as the U.S. Navy even studied the drum pointers and said they were not suitable as a life-critical instrument all the way back in the 1960s...
However, I agree that the regulatory bodies like the FAA should have stepped in and issued an Airworthiness Directive mandating the removal of a cockpit instrument that can fail without any warning to the pilots that it failed. They shouldn't rely on a few letters from the manufacturers and some industry conferences to warn of the danger.
A cockpit doesn't need a tough captain. It needs a smart, reactive, and adaptive one. All these GI joe captains needs to be retrained, and only if it's possible to teach an old dog a new trick. Otherwise, they need to be let go from the company for everyone's safety.
Hans-Peter is my favorite investigator.
Meanwhile, it’s so nice to have new episodes !!!!!
Oh man, flight error 404: runway not found...
...I was wondering how many comments I would have to scroll through before I found this
Blue screen (sky) of death...
@@NathanSimonGottemer
This is the 4th I've found already.
There should never be a question about a go around. If anyone has a moment to think there may be cause for a go around, then you do the damned go around. Better to revisit it alive and in the pilots lounge than have a doc like this made about you and the lives you cost
With cases like these, where the co-pilot could have saved everyone, I often imagine them looking at each other in the afterlife and the co-pilot just being like "I FREAKING TOLD YOU SO!"
I don't know why but it's so cathartic to think about that...like at least he knows in the end that he was in the right...
"Go around!"
"No!
Hold the glide!"
[See's trees!]
"...on second thought..."
at long last, a new story i had not seen before. thanks for the upload!
It actually was released years ago, but finally it made it onto RUclips.
I am not sure if anyone else noticed that some Captains demean or intimidate their first officers instead of being part of a team. Some first officers become intimidated and fail to correct their Captain. If I was a first officer, I would speak up because my life and the life of the passengers are in danger.
That is why CRM is so important.
Seems like European carriers are especially prone to it.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy German Wings?
@@henrymcmiller2527 Germanwings, Air France, KLM, Italia... No incidents I can recall involving BA or Ryanair now that I think about it.
Isn't it a rule that when one person calls for a go around that it must be carried out?
Now it is, guess not back then?
Bean Counter logic here. Find a major fault in a system, but do not replace it until enough passengers die. MD knew the system was faulty and just issued a warning.
Hmm. Sounds familiar.
Anytime a fault is not fixed but is merely announced, soon or later it would results in an accident. And if this practice is allowed, pilots may have to memorize hundreds of equipment failure possibilities and their work-around.
@@noahcheckman8542 That is spot on: MD executives like Harry Stonecipher basically took over Boeing management following their merger with MD in 1997.
"When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so that it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm."
@@souvikrc4499 What an evil prick.
Another piece of crap manufactured by MD.
obviously when in doubt go around!
Captain already made an error not following the go around attempt made by the co-pilot, causing the crash.
The rule wasn't implemented at the time.
But my condolences to all lives lost in this accident
when i heard the pilot say 'hold the glide' my first thought was 'haven't they heard of the 'gimili glide'...
This is sad.
Very interesting. Thank you
so many new episodes!!!!
Cause of death: Arrogance and condescension.
And complacency!
@@cathyrowe594 As evident also from not wearing headsets.
This is the risk you take when you give a person a position of power and control over another...and profits take precedence over passenger safety.
Though it is interesting to note that though you are correct to a point, commercial air travel is one of the few industries where safety correlates with profits more than it does not. Air disasters are huge media events, and too many will cause a loss of business. If we crashed planes at the same rate we did in the 1970s, for instance, we would be looking at hundreds of deaths annually in the US. In fact, aboard US commercial jetliners, there has been only a single death since 2001. THAT is truly astounding.
Another MayDay episode leaving out important facts.
There is a reason most modern critical instruments are designed to give an off-scale warning when they fail. For example, in the Columbia Shuttle disaster the temperature readings in the wheel well reported 'off-scale low' leading up to the disaster. Since these temperatures have certain expected operational ranges and during the time they were expected to report high temperatures the default of off-scale low meant they failed.
Defaulting to 'expected' readings when an instrument fails is dangerous.
I wanted to become a commercial pilot, but things didnt work out that way (I am however an instrument rated private pilot and at one point had completed all the training for a commercial certificate). But if I had become a captain, no matter how certain I was that I was doing things right, if a crew member said we should Go Around then we would TOGA and argue about it later. Its like back when I was in the military and a guy ran up to me and said "I need a fire extinguisher" I didnt make him fill out a form or play 20 questions, I just handed him a fire extinguisher. In these crashes, the captain is always positive he knows what he's doing (Tenerife comes to mind right away). Sometimes he is correct.
Our normal approach procedure is for each pilot is to use their respective NAV receivers. There was a clear discrepancy between the two glideslope indicators, which would demand finding out which radio was correct.
..if the captain would have listened to this 1st officer, this wouldn't have happened...if EITHER pilot wishes a go-around SO BE IT!!...REGARDLESS.....and thanks for the new one! :)
he will listen now,in heaven
That is supposed to be policy. When one person in the crew says "go around" you must go around. It's cockpit resource management.
They really had one pilot and two autopilots. The captain treated the first officer as a second autopilot.
7:27. I can’t conceive of countermanding a go-around declaration. That just seems like something you just don’t ever do. You hear it and jump to it. For all the pilot knew, the co-pilot spotted something urgent and critical. If nothing else, you can always yell at him later.
Just discovered this channel while recuperating from the flu. Probably won’t ever set foot in an airplane again
Yay! New episode
"Go around"
"Hold the glide-"
32:34 perhaps the most sickening failure of I've ever seen on your show
So many good lessons
Yes cool episode but when are we getting an episode of "How an idiot pilot thinking the city lights where the runway crashed TK flight 452"
The FO literally called for a go round, and the pilot overruled him? Protocols are worthless if you don’t follow them.
Wow 😳 it's almost like there was a really long series of evets that had to happen exactly perfect for one really bad thing to happen... Oh, that's exactly what happened 😮
That's amazing that they found the cvr under 27 feet of mud!? That's nearly 30 feet! How did they do that!?
@0:01 This flight was an error to begin with, its server couldnt be found
Correction: the server couldn't find the flight
@@NathanSimonGottemer i was making a joke based on it being flight 404 which im computer terms, Error code 404 is a DNS Error code saying the server couldnt be found
@@DragonSlayrr142 oh, I thought you meant HTTP code 404, since that’s the more common one. Lol
@@NathanSimonGottemer i think i mistook your first joke for correcting me lol. But i thought they were the same thing, because when the 404 pops the window says, Error: 404 the dns server couldnt be found or something along those lines
@@NathanSimonGottemer yea i thought you were saying the servers couldnt find the flight because of the faulty nav system, instead of the joke it was lol
If only the Co pilot wasnt interrupted they would've been Safelty on the runway R.I.P all who died Due to the Pilots Ignorance and Non Trust Instinct .....Kudos to the Co Pilot who tried his best to do what he thought was right and trusting his instinct Wish he wasnt stopped he could've SAVED THEM ALL 😢
how come they stop making these documentaries? All I see now are rehashed old episodes, putting three older stories into one themed episode.
They are running out of crashes, as planes aren't crashing as much as they used to.
😢😢 This is sad!
I could never be a pilot or flight attendant, but I find airplanes fascinating (as well as airports, for some reason) 😂
I should have been an air traffic controller
How did flight 404 prepare for crash?
Did YOU see the video?
The first officer was so smart
"It was a fatal loss of life"..much more common that a non-fatal loss of life.
I don't know about that. I know many people who have experienced a loss of life and vitality.
@@cchris874 well, put that way you are correct
Why is that often than not there seems to be some problem with the voice and cockpit recorders. They're not rocket science.
I would say because they are rarely checked by mechanics, and not critical to keeping the plane airworthy - thus a lower priority over other systems. Then there's the extreme stress on the black boxes in a crash - subject to 1,800 degree C fire, submerged in a thousand-meter depth of water, etc. FDR and CVR are rated for extreme toughness but nothing is invincible.
@@davidmiller6593 I agree under "normal" conditions they are low priority and not necessary to keep the plane flying. However, after an accident they become high priority needed to gather data to maybe keep other planes flying.
FO: tries to save lives
Cap: How about no?
Maybe planes should not be flying or landing at night?
@@OGtruthserum Nah, this was a clear case of conflicting personalities. The captain didn't trust his FO and let his arrogance lead to the crash despite the FO nearly saving the plane. Nothing to do with flying at night
gpws cannot be dependent on nav receiver. c'mon.
Many factors, the ultimate Swiss Cheese Model.
and especially the faulty receiver!
Faulty nav radio. It's good Boeing bought out McDonnell-Douglas to ensure that things don't fall apart on planes.
Sadly, it's been working out the other way. (MCD bean-counters took over Boeing engineer culture.)
I’m not assigning blame, but that FO should’ve done a go around when he made the decision to announce it.
why does the Captain say "hold the glide," but the First Officer says, "Go around." it doesn't make any sense
They explain that later in the video. The Captain had a low opinion of the co-pilot and so trusted his instruments more than the First Officer's judgement. This was in 1990. Since then all airlines have emphasized "CRM" -- for pilots to respect each other's judgement and competence instead of a boss-sidekick relationship.
@@sakumar They did not explain, though, why the 1st officer (pilot flying) was concerned. I looked at the official report and their best guess is that he was looking at an alternate altimeter, or looked again at it again and correctly read it as 300 ft, whereas the pilot had probably misread it as 1,300 ft.
@@cchris874 The CoPilot was concerned that they hadn't yet got the Outer Marker indication -- which would imply they were off the glideslope.
@@sakumar
I must have missed that. Thanks
Is it just me or does the narrator sound like Patrick Macnee?
The DC 9 was proof if you put a big enough engine on a rock, it would fly.
Was that the one w the bar in it? I don't even drink, but I want to see that.
Why don't the aircraft manufacturer's just put 2 CVR's and 2 FDR's on airplanes? They aren't that big or heavy. Why not have backups?
Aviation electronics looks so much different the consumer electronics.
37:00 Yes, pilots bought the planes
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This is the manufactures fault for holding a seminar for anyone to come and get some information on a defect that the airline’s management should have been notified of.
Good thing this flight happened before the internet age really kicked off. Now days I dunno if I'd want to get on a flight with numbers associated with HTTP errors XD. Flight 500? Nah man, I think there might be an internal error with the engines or something....
Something that gets me is this: The first unit had the short, but in this presentation unit 2 was working correctly. The conflicting information should've alerted the pilots that something was amiss with their ILS system.
its a Dc plane. they had alot of issue which is why MD isn't around anymore. sadly the people that ruined it took over Boeing
And ruined it.
46 people died at landing.
Yes, we saw the video.
ERROR 404: Brain cells, common sense, and professionalism not found
😢 Why do we always have to wait for an accident to happen 😕 to fix the problems ? Lives are in the hands of pilots, and yet they need more training I suppose 😢
McDonnell Douglas
I can never understand this. If I’m a pilot, right and im flying with another pilot and he’s disagreeing with what I am saying then OF COURSE I’m going to be like hey let’s pull up and figure this out. But this dunce was like no don’t pull up continue.
Doesn't the captain have to announce he's assuming control, rather than just override a decision by the copilot who is actually flying the plane?
Why restrict the video geographically but initially it was okay
Guys do animation of UPS 1307
Ego caused that crash, along with ignoring the recall papers before there was a recall issued by the greediest people on the planet.
The controller bears some culpability for not keeping an eye on their altitude.
No. No way. It's not his responsibility. Tho, yes it'd be nice if he said something. Not knowing wtf everyone is clearly can cause problems .
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I think it would qualify as a contributing factor, though a small one. But what's more puzzling, how is it that the Swiss, known for cutting edge technology, lagged 10 years behind the US in implementing the altitude warning system at their busiest airport. I mean MD we all know, is expected to slop together inferior parts and bogus designs. But the Swiss?
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China Airlines 140 due up Monday!
Those poor bastards indeed
How about dont build airports in the valley of mountains? How many lives would that have saved?
Depends, look at MDW. It's SURROUNDED by houses. Twice a plane went off the runway I know of. A kid got killed in the back seat of the family car on one.
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But if you have to build near mountains, you'd might think the Swiss would be at the cutting edge of safety. I was shocked that they were lagging behind the US by 10 years. What is up with that?
How could such an arrogant pilot correct his co-pilot after he attempted to make the correct call of a go-around approach? Obviously this was before CRM (Crew Resource Management) which gave every member of the crew an opinion, but still, you would imagine that the professional pilot would've at least looked out of the cockpit windshield and assessed the situation properly before correcting his co-pilot's decision to go around...
It's funny because I thought CRM had been implemented at all the major airlines by 1990.
Safe? Thete have been many fatal jet plane ( as almost everyone always is) crashes since this crash.
Safety is always relative of course. But in the last 20 years, the top ranked airlines have never been safer. Example: since 2001 there has been only ONE fatality involving a US jetliner. If that's not safe, tell me what is safer.
Big shock! McDonnell Douglas screwed up and manufactured a crappy plane…then Trojan horsed themselves into Boeing where they’ve been building crappy planes
Flying too low and short of runway.
Yes, we saw the video.
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If I had to die in a plane crash, it would please me to know that my death helped make air travel so much safer...
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Crocodile's. That's why no bodies.
I don't understand how anyone can produce a device that says everything is fine when it is broken.
bean coutning. there is a reason why the DC-10 is infamous
@@RevkorThis is a DC-9, Isn't it?
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Yup. The short answer is MD (malignant design)
"Seminar to inform pilots." God- forbid the instrument be redesigned and reinstalled.
MD - 🤮.
Yesterday two boys in my class got mad at each other and started physically fighting, we had 4 teachers tackle them.
That captain sounded like a total ass. Gross.
I'm not first
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A arrogant ass captain is the blame!
He was, but not necessarily the primary cause.
404: Not found
This is all the pilot's fault, he should have listened to the copilot but instead he mocked him they could have not crashed if only the pilot wasn't a piece of trash
should of never let the new guy fly that landing..he was very inexperienced
That's about as far from the truth as you could get.
The young guy tried to save them. The older guy killed them all
F/O was PIC
Command was TOGO
Captain over-rides command
CFIT
Everyone's Dead
If I said “Error: 404, flight not found” would I be an AH? My humor is so fcked 😭
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Congrats
Did you want tickets on a Malaysia airlines flight with that too?
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@@f3r9and0 No thanks
They turned gpws off
No one turned the GPWS off. It became disabled.