Most tank fills are done by weight, same as freon. The bleeder screw can ONLY be used as temporary means if there's no scale or the scale in use has not been calibrated. However, this guy did a nice job on the fill.
Not sure if you mean the old now banned Freon refrigerant , chloro flouro methane I think. No one should deliberately leak out that stuff and it's also worth big bucks since all that exists today is old stock and recycled gas in our western world at least. It was called R12 I think . . In Australia we can run our cars on propane, actually propane butane 50/50 mix . Some of us independently figure out how to illegally refill our domestic n camping cylinders with automotive LPG. Pretty sure the domestic LPG is pure propane though when we buy it as such.
this is how most small tank fills are done... you would have to purge the tank to get an accurate weight as most tanks will have residual propane in them.
In case anyone doesn't know you get a better deal by doing it this way than by going to a store where you exchange your tank. The tank you receive is only like 1/2 or 3/4 full. You think you're getting a full tank and they are pocketing the difference.
all tanks have a float valve inside that stops the fill when it gets full. You need to open the bleeder valve to allow air out or the pressure will build up before it is full.
This is not true. The bleeder valve has a tube to the 20% fill line so you will see liquid when the tank is full. The flow rate of the bleeder valve is dramatically slower than the pump through that hose, so if pressure was an issue, this would not solve it. At least in the state of Texas where I live and fill propane, there is a law stating that we have to fill by weight(using scale) and not by volume(this technique) for anything 99 lb. and under. Otherwise, we'd loose our license to fill.
I have so many people trying to “TOP OFF” there tanks before special events, to insure they don’t run out. That’s why I always open the bleeder valve before turning on the electric pump. You wouldn’t believe how many people I’ve charged for .1 gallons
"Take it to a professional"...LOL 😂 The last two "professionals" I took my tanks to, I ended up showing THEM how to fill my tanks. The so-called "professionals" are usually minimum wage store clerks that can barely pump gasoline into their cars let alone an LP tank. That's been my experience anyway...
Luckily for us, there’s a giant gas outlet or I can bring these and get them filled super cheap. It’s where they fill those giant trucks that come out and fill the tanks at your house. I mean it’s a big place. Always have somebody with experience somebody with experience.
Does it matter if the tank is new (not used yet) or fillable and filled before as to do u use screwdriver to let air out as filling? Dealer filled 2 40 lbs tanks, one day first tech blead tank as filling, next day second tech didn't blead out air as filling. Manager or 2nd tech said they only do that for unused tanks.
been working a job that has me filling propane. watched this to double check the procedures and this was exactly as they taught me. As for the guy complaining about PPE in the comments, no idea what they’re on about. Sure it’s cold, but wearing just thin latex gloves is enough for protection. They’ll get frozen brittle and snap if you leave them in front of the bleeder, but you’d really have to be not paying attention to hurt yourself like this.
Hmm, now forty years ago I remember going to hardware store to get 3 kilogram cylinder refilled and it only cooked for twenty minutes . A seventeen year old who didn't have a clue connected it up. I'd been trusting for the filling process done under my observation, paid my money. then stewed over getting ripped off .This kind of short changing happened everywhere and authorities mounted a sting operation in 1989 , and laws got tightened up and new fines and penalties drafted. Everything was free and easy with the LPG cylinders way back and plenty people drove their LPG fueled vehicles with big 100 litre tanks mounted on roof racks .In the good old days it was 8 cents a litre. It's at 80 cents today but tchyn-a can get it from Australia still at maybe 5cents .
Forklift tanks and 100lb propane tanks you can open the valve when filling anything else from 20lb to 40lb you don't and shouldn't from what the inspectors say
@@Tanguma98 did you ever find what the name of that fill connection is called or where to get it? It’s a quick fill adapter, but no idea where to find it.
You use a scale and fill by weight. That is the only legal way to fill propane in the US actually. The guy in this video could loose his license if an inspector saw this.
Doesn't the bleeder let the vapor escape while the liquid is displacing the vapor. The bleeder will start spitting liquid when the liquid propane gets to a predetermined level, which is about 80% of the volume of the tank allowing for expansion from temperature. I used to fill tanks and this is what we were told.
You make a good point about their being professionals but but they were taught so I would recommend that you go and learn professionally how to do your own do your own. Not try to teach yourself Learning to do this in a professional manner if in a professional manner gives you more independence and self reliance in case of pandemics it's endemics and other natural disasters when you can't use those professionals you now have a professional learning to do-it-yourself
I did this at work tonight, only the equipment was very outdated and we had no idea what the fuck we were doing🤣🤣🤣 and lemme tell you when i say outside where we did it stank like gas i mean it fucking STANK
I've been filling tanks for 11 years now and you won't believe how many ppl yesterday alone at work how many people say you're not supposed to open the bleeder smh. You always open the bleeder, just not all the way.
@@fisherfotography8876 "Propane tanks can be filled by weight or volume.But according to DOT regulations, propane tanks with less than 200 pounds capacity must be refilled by weight. " You are correct if you are not bound by DOT regulations, ie not transporting them of public roadways and portable implies they will probably be transported on public roadways.
@@TomLeeman Training. Training. Training. I was in a remote part of northern Minnesota with an empty 5 lb. tank. I was told at a C store that they couldn't fill it because their scale wouldn't work for that size. I noted here that your expert was working without a scale. He could see the gallons plus his guide is the the overflow ensuring full tank.
we need to start captureing the gasses when you disconnect when you bleed when you purge the line to get the line off all that from millions of people going into the atmosphere why aint there any regs on this like fuel vapor is
I actually AM a proffesional of propane...I saw litreally nothing right he did! I'll accept he had no scale apparently, fine...use the bleeder...as a failsafe if the OPD happened to fail...but OMG....I won't even go into fine details
Not a "professional" at spelling though:). If you critique the video, please say all that was wrong with it so you can add value for other viewers. I've seen so many people do it differently and was searching for a definitive technique.
The tank ratings in Oz are 80% of full capacity leaving room for expansion and some resulted pressure build up , in New Zealand it's 85% . So it varies in different countries . It's possible to therefore overfill tanks as well as underfill but I believe in most cases it'll probably be an overfill favouring the customer , but not favouring safety according to law makers. I think the tanks are hoop band batch tested to 22 atmosphere in manufacture and hardly ever operate higher than four atmosphere for propane and two atmosphere for propane butane 50/50 mix . To explain the hoop test :- a hoop is placed around the tank and at top rated pressure it mustn't expand such that hoop can't be removed.
Most tank fills are done by weight, same as freon. The bleeder screw can ONLY be used as temporary means if there's no scale or the scale in use has not been calibrated. However, this guy did a nice job on the fill.
thanks
Not sure if you mean the old now banned Freon refrigerant , chloro flouro methane I think. No one should deliberately leak out that stuff and it's also worth big bucks since all that exists today is old stock and recycled gas in our western world at least. It was called R12 I think . . In Australia we can run our cars on propane, actually propane butane 50/50 mix . Some of us independently figure out how to illegally refill our domestic n camping cylinders with automotive LPG. Pretty sure the domestic LPG is pure propane though when we buy it as such.
Ya with no ppe..
this is how most small tank fills are done... you would have to purge the tank to get an accurate weight as most tanks will have residual propane in them.
I would strongly recommend protective eyeware, liquid propane in the eye instantly freezes the eyeball and could leave you blind or partially sighted.
good tip
Tractor Supply had us wear the PPE in case of getting on hands or near eyes.
It also attracts heat and when in contact with skin it will suck all the heat out of your fingers burning them gloves are a must
well shit ive been refilling propane tanks since november and i haven’t been doing this
Jesus Christ! Well im wearing eye protection next time, boss never told me that when i filled the forklift
In case anyone doesn't know you get a better deal by doing it this way than by going to a store where you exchange your tank. The tank you receive is only like 1/2 or 3/4 full. You think you're getting a full tank and they are pocketing the difference.
Yep
Physics is fundamental
There was a national lawsuit against BlueRhino I believe for filling below 80% capacity on exchanged tanks.
@user-wx6qc2jz9m what really? I'm new to propane and was about to buy a 3 gallon tank for camping
all tanks have a float valve inside that stops the fill when it gets full. You need to open the bleeder valve to allow air out or the pressure will build up before it is full.
Excellent tip thanks for watching
This is not true. The bleeder valve has a tube to the 20% fill line so you will see liquid when the tank is full. The flow rate of the bleeder valve is dramatically slower than the pump through that hose, so if pressure was an issue, this would not solve it. At least in the state of Texas where I live and fill propane, there is a law stating that we have to fill by weight(using scale) and not by volume(this technique) for anything 99 lb. and under. Otherwise, we'd loose our license to fill.
How did,the air get in ?
@@mervynelwood9110 It's not air that is coming out the bleed valve, it's propane gas. That's why he mentioned in the video that he smelled gas.
I’ve had tanks filled many times this is how they all do it.
yup thanks for watching
I have so many people trying to “TOP OFF” there tanks before special events, to insure they don’t run out. That’s why I always open the bleeder valve before turning on the electric pump. You wouldn’t believe how many people I’ve charged for .1 gallons
Excellent tips thanks
Lmao were I work we charge a flat rate. No bs
Sorry liquid gauge valve, not the bleeder
"Take it to a professional"...LOL 😂
The last two "professionals" I took my tanks to, I ended up showing THEM how to fill my tanks. The so-called "professionals" are usually minimum wage store clerks that can barely pump gasoline into their cars let alone an LP tank. That's been my experience anyway...
True story
Am in Houston Texas where do I go to get tank filled up and how much is it?
You can take them to Home Depot anywhere and they’ll fill in for you
Luckily for us, there’s a giant gas outlet or I can bring these and get them filled super cheap. It’s where they fill those giant trucks that come out and fill the tanks at your house. I mean it’s a big place. Always have somebody with experience somebody with experience.
is it much cheaper to refill than exchange?
homedepot has an exchange program for $32 . they take your 20lp and give you a filled one
Yeah, I think it was only five bucks or something really cheap
Exchange tanks are only 3/4 full, 15 pounds.
Does it matter if the tank is new (not used yet) or fillable and filled before as to do u use screwdriver to let air out as filling?
Dealer filled 2 40 lbs tanks, one day first tech blead tank as filling, next day second tech didn't blead out air as filling. Manager or 2nd tech said they only do that for unused tanks.
I believe I just bought those at Costco so they were new thanks for watching
Maybe you’re confusing the purging process of new tanks?
Always use bleeder in any situation unless you go by weight
Yea it's a expiration date and if the tank has dings or damage.
The Costco tank I just got says on the sticker that tank is already purged
Thanks bro, learned something today
Glad to hear it
What is the brand name or company name that makes the black quick fill adapter your using?
That’s a good question I have to do some research on that
@@TomLeeman Marshall Excelsior Company and the type of part is QUICK ACTING HOSE END VALVE QUICK CONNECTING F.QCC TYPE I X 3/4 IN. FNPT - NYLON HANDLE
@@joesegrist4165 thanks for that info. Much appreciate it.
Any idea what the name of the pump is?
I do not know
been working a job that has me filling propane. watched this to double check the procedures and this was exactly as they taught me.
As for the guy complaining about PPE in the comments, no idea what they’re on about. Sure it’s cold, but wearing just thin latex gloves is enough for protection. They’ll get frozen brittle and snap if you leave them in front of the bleeder, but you’d really have to be not paying attention to hurt yourself like this.
good tips thanks for watching
Typical 2020’s safety-ism.
This is if you have a regularor on it before I started i had to be quick on the draw or blow the line out
good tip
I have been filling up propane tanks for over a year
Excellent
You have to fill those tanks by weight not just the spitter. Its the law. It should weigh 37 lbs
good tip thanks
Hmm, now forty years ago I remember going to hardware store to get 3 kilogram cylinder refilled and it only cooked for twenty minutes . A seventeen year old who didn't have a clue connected it up. I'd been trusting for the filling process done under my observation, paid my money. then stewed over getting ripped off .This kind of short changing happened everywhere and authorities mounted a sting operation in 1989 , and laws got tightened up and new fines and penalties drafted. Everything was free and easy with the LPG cylinders way back and plenty people drove their LPG fueled vehicles with big 100 litre tanks mounted on roof racks .In the good old days it was 8 cents a litre. It's at 80 cents today but tchyn-a can get it from Australia still at maybe 5cents .
Thank you for this.
You are welcome and thank you for watching
Where I can buy the adapter??
Amazon, I do believe
Well that's ever so helpful.......Couldn't hear a thing
Yeah it was outside and a little bad on the audio sorry about that thanks for watching
I'll find another video that I can understand exactly what to do
@@jrfan912did you find one?
Where did you buy this?
I bought the empty tanks at Costco and then sells them up at the station just awful Linton in Delray Beach
Dear where can I order this dispenser
You can get the empty containers at Costco
Forklift tanks and 100lb propane tanks you can open the valve when filling anything else from 20lb to 40lb you don't and shouldn't from what the inspectors say
Excellent notes and tips thanks for the information and thanks for watching
He a great guy cause me making 12$ an hour was not gonna b so jolly in ya vid
Definitely a nice guy
What is the adapter called, the name for the adapter from the tank to the hose. The part that hooks up to the tank
I think its called a refill adapter not 100% sure though
@@TomLeeman Okay I'll look it up, thanks
@@Tanguma98 did you ever find what the name of that fill connection is called or where to get it? It’s a quick fill adapter, but no idea where to find it.
@@joesegrist4165 thank you. N no haven’t found it. I just get the refill adapter for the little small green propane tanks.
What happens if you don’t the bleeder valve
Good question I’m gonna have to ask this guy when I go back
@@TomLeeman would that be where a weight scale comes in?
Nothing happens the bleeder let’s the air out and propane the liquid can fill in
You use a scale and fill by weight. That is the only legal way to fill propane in the US actually. The guy in this video could loose his license if an inspector saw this.
Excellent
What if the bleeder was not closed, will it leak?
Not sure but if you don't close the bleeder I would think it would leak
@@TomLeeman I actrually am a "proffesional"....keep the bleeder where we put it. don't touch it. fill by weight!
Yes
You’ll overfill your tank
Doesn't the bleeder let the vapor escape while the liquid is displacing the vapor. The bleeder will start spitting liquid when the liquid propane gets to a predetermined level, which is about 80% of the volume of the tank allowing for expansion from temperature. I used to fill tanks and this is what we were told.
You make a good point about their being professionals but but they were taught so I would recommend that you go and learn professionally how to do your own do your own. Not try to teach yourself Learning to do this in a professional manner if in a professional manner gives you more independence and self reliance in case of pandemics it's endemics and other natural disasters when you can't use those professionals you now have a professional learning to do-it-yourself
Good tips thanks for watching
Yup, imma gonna take it to Ace Hardware and let them fill it.
Good idea
Hm too much work for me. I’ll take it to the shop. lol thank you for the video though. Very informative.
thanks for watching
Where do I get my propane tank fill
We have a place just off of Linton in Delray Beach that does it pretty cheap if you’re in this area
Certain gas stations, uvaula etc
I did this at work tonight, only the equipment was very outdated and we had no idea what the fuck we were doing🤣🤣🤣 and lemme tell you when i say outside where we did it stank like gas i mean it fucking STANK
Yes, that LP gas does smell
great job and great video, next time get a pack of cigarettes and PRETEND your gonna have one
Challenge accepted
I've been filling tanks for 11 years now and you won't believe how many ppl yesterday alone at work how many people say you're not supposed to open the bleeder smh. You always open the bleeder, just not all the way.
Excellent tips
Why do you open the bleeder valve
To let out the air inside as it is being replace with the propane, otherwise it's going to compress in it.@@brucekuehnle7742
Not sure where you live, but in the U.S.A. it is illegal to fill a portable tank by any other means than weight.
Excellent no thanks for watching
Not true
@@fisherfotography8876 "Propane tanks can be filled by weight or volume.But according to DOT regulations, propane tanks with less than 200 pounds capacity must be refilled by weight. " You are correct if you are not bound by DOT regulations, ie not transporting them of public roadways and portable implies they will probably be transported on public roadways.
I do this all day long at work
Did he do a good job thanks for watching
Yes, I do it exactly like that
That’s if yu don’t have a scale if yu have a scale do not open bleeder valve
Good tip thanks for watching
Professional? Like someone who took a half a day propane course? Lol
Well I always wanna make the guy work in their field good thanks for watching
I've never seen anyone tap the bleeder.
This is the expert at the place where they have all the gas so I think he’s doing it right I could be wrong
@@TomLeeman Training. Training. Training.
I was in a remote part of northern Minnesota with an empty 5 lb. tank. I was told at a C store that they couldn't fill it because their scale wouldn't work for that size. I noted here that your expert was working without a scale. He could see the gallons plus his guide is the the overflow ensuring full tank.
Not on my system
we need to start captureing the gasses when you disconnect when you bleed when you purge the line to get the line off all that from millions of people going into the atmosphere why aint there any regs on this like fuel vapor is
Thanks for the Notes and the Tips appreciate it thanks for watching
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Very good
Wheres the pro? Hint: No one is weighing this bottle.
Oh interesting thanks for the info
Where's the operator's PPE? Eyewear and gloves minimum.
Good question thanks for watching
I actually AM a proffesional of propane...I saw litreally nothing right he did! I'll accept he had no scale apparently, fine...use the bleeder...as a failsafe if the OPD happened to fail...but OMG....I won't even go into fine details
Next time we will bring it to u!
j. Doe, so the key mistake he made was not using a scale? Was there something wrong with him using the bleeder?
Not a "professional" at spelling though:).
If you critique the video, please say all that was wrong with it so you can add value for other viewers.
I've seen so many people do it differently and was searching for a definitive technique.
The tank ratings in Oz are 80% of full capacity leaving room for expansion and some resulted pressure build up , in New Zealand it's 85% . So it varies in different countries . It's possible to therefore overfill tanks as well as underfill but I believe in most cases it'll probably be an overfill favouring the customer , but not favouring safety according to law makers. I think the tanks are hoop band batch tested to 22 atmosphere in manufacture and hardly ever operate higher than four atmosphere for propane and two atmosphere for propane butane 50/50 mix . To explain the hoop test :- a hoop is placed around the tank and at top rated pressure it mustn't expand such that hoop can't be removed.
you dont need to open the bleeder valve
Thanks for the tips
Has an exploding pressurised propane tank killed you yet?
Where tf are PPE (personal protective equipment)?
I think this might’ve been pre-epidemic thanks for watching
@@TomLeeman no, Justin means as in eye protection & gloves.
😂 You can do this yourself at home if you have a wet tank. Save lots of money. The way I do it.
We went right to the distributor and these are really cheap is like three dollars each each Thanks for watching
600 dollars for that bs
I think it was like three bucks a tank
@@TomLeeman 3.40 then a serve fee yearly maintain fee and leak check fee it's bolongy bs for a renter of am apt to deal with
do NOT do this!!!
that's why I take them to a pro
Ohh so fast! He must be a genius. You could teach a monkey to do that. Rest assured I will be calling an outside professional. Not you.
You are so kind
Professional? Like someone who took a half a day propane course? Lol
Pretty much