A Discussion On Breast Malignancy And Military Burn Pit Exposure
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
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Dr Bora Lim is a breast specialist, Associate Professor of Medicine, Director of Translational Research, and Associate Director for Clinical Science at Baylor College of Medicine
She can be reached on Twitter at / naborala
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:29 What is Breast Malignancy?
1:39 How does Breast Malignancy develop?
3:45 What are the risk factors for Breast Malignancy?
6:46 Brief on industrial chemicals
7:14 On burning waste
8:05 About burn pits
9:11 Burn pits as a likely health hazard
10:32 Dr Lim's veteran patient with stage 3 disease
11:46 Why is breast malignancy different?
14:51 Survival difference between Stage 2 and Stage 4
17:09 What is HR+ / HER2- disease?
19:18 What is ovarian suppression / ablation?
21:19 Do squamous and basal carcinomas increase Breast Malignancy risk?
21:54 Breast augmentation and risk of malignancy
22:16 What happens when Breast Malignancy mutates?
22:59 What happens when the malignancy spreads?
25:33 What can a veteran do if they've been exposed to burn pits?
26:56 New revelations and research on bone metastases
29:10 What can researchers do to establish a stronger link of burn pit exposure with malignancies?
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I absolutely do not believe that the military leadership had no idea that burning all this dangerous waste could cause health issues in people exposed to the smoke. It's been illegal for civilians to burn these materials for decades because the dangers have been known. But soldiers are disposable by definition.
Everything has a risk, maybe she could have been more careful with that, but I don't know the context. Plus genetic factors could have been at play.
well if the military had disposed of the waste properly, they would've ballooned the budget and not enough money would be flowed to weapons development. It's all about the money
@@TheZachary86 The "military" isn't an homogenous organization. Plus, the unit level which supported the action would be the one issuing any equipment, or authorizing the correct personnel. Or pehaps she or someone else didn't take correct precautions.
Cannon fodder. Also, the people who lived in the area were breathing that shit.
@@barbarahenninger6642 a lot of training and equipment goes into them. Plus, how do you know where that stuff was burned?
I once had a Marine tell me that the VA treats them only marginally better than they treated enemy combatants in the field. It's amazing how poorly we treat our veterans.
Often times we treat our enemies way better than they were being treated by their government.
It's hard to say, but the US - despite the faux patriotism - basically tells veterans "fuck you for your service" to those who have sacrificed their mental and physical health for their country.
To say nothing of the inhabitants.
i know D':
To the contrary, I’m a disabled veteran who only uses VA healthcare. I don’t have any other insurance. They have done a great job with me. I think they treat me better than going to the military doctors while I was active duty. There’s so many resources at the VA, but I think most veterans aren’t aware of them. This is just my anecdotal experience.
Chubbyemu and Heme review uploads together…. I can’t choose.
Chubbyemu first to get a general idea then go to heme review to get more details.
@@erikburzinski8248
Smart.
I just finished watching heme review first.
Live and learn, eh? :D
I love how she describes the mutations as superpowers, it's a very apt metaphor that makes an instant understanding-connection to anyone who has seen anything related to superheroes/villains. It's truly a great way to understand.
It's a really fitting analogy as the telomeres of cancer cells don't shorten when there is cellular mitosis. This is unlike all other cells in the body, making them essentially immortal. It also means that you can't really "wait out" a cancer.
@@locusf2 telomeres actually play an importat role in age . like more the telomere becomes thin, cells lose their ability to divide.
if our body had all as cancer cells that are not fully harmful and divide ina regulated manner and cause no harm like the other dangerous cancer cells.
we would have been way more different like DEAD POOL
but i dont know what really makes these cells harmfull.
in case of brain i agree they cause pressure in the brain.
but in otehr oplaces, if cancer is growing, why cant we take sufficient nutritiens to sustain our bidy.
what are these cqncer cells going to do other than dividing.?
@@akshinbarathi8914 the problem with cancer cells is, they "forgot" how to die when their genome gets partially scrambled and worse, ignore both cellular signaling for when to grow or stop reproducing and signals that tell them where to live within the body.
So, cells that ignore signals that tell them that they're malfunctioning and should die are ignored, the cells reproduce out of control and cells that, as an example, should be part of one's skin end up growing wherever the bloodstream and lymphatic system carries them.
And Henrietta Lacks cervical cancer cells are still growing today, despite her dying from her cancer in 1951 and are some of the cells used to test chemotherapy drugs worldwide today.
@@spvillano ah i hate that
its so bad that a person experiences painand knows she will be dying soon but she never knos when
and that to with a young son.
cancer is a real pain
thanks stephen for clarifyinng
hope you have a wonderufllday
Except when you have metastatic cancer and you get told you have cells with superpowers flying around your body with a highway pass......
Hey man, I’ve commented on your other videos because I am a rare medical case myself. I had PSC liver disease and frequently admitted for bacteria in blood. The only cure was transplant. 2 years of dealing with stents and strictures I finally got transplanted (April 2020) when covid hit the US. They DURING THE SURGERY found lymphoma, and that a vast majority of my liver was cancerous, but never showed up on any scans. Being a doctor you know that I would have never gotten transplanted. This is apparently, 1 out of 5 documented cases in the word that this has happened. I thought that you’d find that in intriguing since you deal with odd cases. Love your videos man, keep it up. People are fascinated with medicine and love outlets like this.
Hopefully he makes a video about chu
Rest In Peace to Kate. She recently died last week. She was exposed to and ended up having such horrific things happen to her. I hope the families affected can get closure
When the doctor says cured she means,,5 years of survival or something else??
I would like to know because the term cured means something very different than a five-year survival to most people.
That woman that lived 28 years after getting diagnosed with stage IV breast cancer without even taking pills... what an absolute unit. It wasn't just the cancer that had superpowers in her case.
Cancer treatment is poison.
Cancer is weird. Sometimes it grows incredibly slowly and we have no idea why.
That guy who sued his dying wife is an abomination of a person.
Do you have a link to details of the case?
@@alexanderleuchte5132 No?
@@Pusher97 "People with borderline personality disorder are particularly likely to use emotional blackmail (as too are destructive narcissists)."
So - strictly abstract speculation - if it was the case that my wife was severly Borderline using her illness as blackmail seriously harming our daughters psyche, i would not let her see our daughter either.
I am potentially "an abomination of a person" too lol
Edit: I wonder how many people think that of me anyway hahahaha
Just american things
Yeah, no kidding. Like the other user though, I would want to see the specific case because damn. O_O
I'm watching this before the episode. It's still just as sad... Edit: Oh shit it gets more sad. Bless you guys and thank you for doing what you do 🙏
Dr.Lim is a great speaker! I like her use of humor too.
This was so interesting, and she is an excellent speaker.
So smart and well spoken. The way she talks about her patients you can tell she really cares and pays attention to them on a personal level.
another understanding of cancer cells is they start acting like an individual rather than part of an organism
"In an interview with the HPR, William Hartung, the Center for International Policy’s Arms and Security Project Director, stated that there is an “excess of usable military equipment relative to any possible need.” In addition to unused aircrafts and helicopters rusting on tarmacs in Afghanistan, parts ripped from working equipment and sold at junkyards, and about 410 tons of functional equipment incinerated in burn pits daily, Hartung said that authorities and contractors have been reckless with their own products. “They’re doing things like destroying perfectly useful items,” he explained. “They also lose track of things. They destroy ammunition that is still functional, and they retire things early.”"
Institute of Politics at Harvard Kennedy School
So many candidates for Chubbyemu/Heme Review episodes. You make great choices, Dr Bernard, and maintain exceptional focus and excellent quality. I greatly appreciate how you you treat your people and their stories with dignity and compassion, all the while including information we'd not encounter otherwise.
Brilliant, Dr Bernard, fabulous and brilliant!💖
What a well spoken and intelligent woman. Fantastic watch. 💜
thank you bernard!
Very informative. And quite interesting.
Thank you so much for this, Dr Bernard.
Haven't seen the original video yet but I love informative videos like this and could watch these all day.
The chubbyemu vid and then the heme review 1-2 is just great.
Wow, I’ve been really paying attention to this after you put out your most recent video with Kate.
Thank you for doing this video and allowing a more in depth analysis of the process.
For all you are, Dr Bernard, for all you do 💖!!
Thanks KT and best of luck; Doc, thanks for the upload!
Chubby emu is the best youtube doctor, he got me watching this when I’ve got zero interest in the topic
Dr Lim has such great explanations - thank you!
I learned so much from these types of videos. Thank you Chubbyemu
Fascinating and such a clever doctor! Thank you for explaining things!
Bravo for bringing attention to this little known, and very neglected subject.
Little known?
Maybe there should be some sort of campaign to bring awareness to the subject. They can use one of those yellow ribbons but make it a different color. Hell, maybe we could dedicate an entire month to raise awareness to breast cancer.
@@regulatorjohnson. Dude they mean the burn pits that cause it in veterans im sure many people didnt know about this including me, its not something they tell you about on the news really, its something you have to look into yourself and if you dont even know its happened youre oblivious. way to be a smartass on a genuinely nice comment
@@regulatorjohnson. what a stupid comment
@@ghoulishtoad "People didnt know about this including me" is just another example for the level of knowledge and awareness americans have, i as a german have known about the burn pits for years. Also of the fact that "about 410 tons of functional equipment" were incinerated in the burn pits daily, including whole trucks etc.
Explains of course a bit how people could be so st*pid to do such things in the first place...
@@alexanderleuchte5132 Americans are not as stupid as you think they are we are just not told these types of things.. obviously burning batteries isnt good but we are not really in the know about all the shit that happens thats why its so shocking... Just because youre from Germany doesn't mean youre smarter than me lol
My mom's got stage 3 breast cancer....this is good info... thanks emu
Thank you Mr emu, I really get a lot out of these videos. Please never stop!
Great talk and very accessible
A major group to compare these soldiers to are workers at incineration plants that handle general waste. Such workers and plants exist globally and it should be possible to accumulate statistics of how working with garbage incineration affects health short and long term, as well as the effectiveness of countermeasures.
This is terrifying. I was deployed to Iraq “burn pit central” 05-06 and 08-09. Makes me worry about my future as well as all of my friends... I feel for this Marine and her family. Terrible AVOIDABLE situation if the leaders did the RIGHT thing!
I’m so sorry. I’m glad you at least have seen this information so you can do what you can to advocate for yourself & get ahead of any problems that might arise. Again, I am so sorry you have to deal with this at all. Even just living with the fear of what could happen is a stressor that no one should have to live with.
At least the military is seeing it , as a contractor/heavy equipment operator in Balad Iraq in 04-06 I returned with the crud cough tinnitus lung cysts a TBI and stomach lipoma and get turned down every where I go a VA because I'm a CIVILIAN
very informative!
I know saying this that everyone has a unique situation, and medicine can have a subjective nature to it...
The problem that I noticed with burn pit cases, is that a lot veterans develop other comorbidities that make it rather difficult to isolate burn pits as a direct cause to a disease.
Proving specific environmental factors as a “direct cause” is very difficult because the many environmental variables we are all exposed to in our lifetime & any serious damage to our body’s can lead to other conditions. I have no doubt that government & large corporations use these issues to their advantage & choose to move forward with likely dangerous environmental activities because people will have a hard time proving this causal relationship. Not until many MANY people with the same exposure die can a sufficient correlation be observed that we can infer the most likely cause, & at best we can never say for certain the cause because there will always be confounding variables.
Bernard, how can you be so intelligent and attractive at the same time O_O;
Great video!
What an intelligent and kind woman. Great speak too. Thanks Chubbs for bringing those things for us. You are a godsent gift. (and I'm a fucking atheist)
What a wonderful woman. The mind boggles that actors get paid millions of dollars, this woman who actually improves our life and furthers our understanding of cancer gets paid minuscule in comparison
Demand=supply. Maybe if people stopped watching movies then their pay would go down.
Cool stuff.
I wish to be as intelligent as this doctor 😍
Please do a video on ethylene glycol poisoning.
I did it last year. snow globe
@@HemeReview Awesome! Thank you! 🙏🏻 I didn’t realize that was in the snow globe!
Also lava lamp
Except that's actually about polyethylene glycol.
RIP KT
Day 8 of asking for a video on 25i-NBOMe cases. Its a very potent experimental psychedelic and radioligand. Unlike most psychedelics its killed people. Also fantastic video btw
What do you mean "Experimental?"
@@amergingiles Experimental like it's a very new psychedelic and really it was never meant to be one. Most psychedelics have been around long enough and used long enough that we know a fair bit about them. Not so with 25i-NBOMe
Do a video on kids taking sarms
Very interesting information
It's just so depressing how we keep getting these 'let's do this thing - 20 years later we realize _oop, cancer_ '
I'm glad this video addresses the environmental cause of cancer instead of just pretending it is just a matter of bad luck and misbehaving genes.
I very much appreciate the explanation and awareness and I don't doubt that Dr. Lim is an extremely competent medical professional but honestly I'm really lost about that bit concerning Avengers finding new superpowers to choose Chinese food
Yea I honestly thought that metaphor was rather pandering, not at all on par with the normal terminology of this channel. That being said it was still a great video.
my fault. I told her general audience, so she spoke to my direction
@@HemeReview I assumed that was probably what happened, I still learned more from this video than I did in the entirety of my schooling. Thank you for being an endless source of knowledge.
Never been so early
Why isn't she talking more about epigenetics and the activation and silencing of these genes through methylation? All cancers are started this way, the silencing of the cancer killing epigenetics and the activation of the cancer promotion epigenetics. We know what causes this. Livestyle, diet, stress and pollutants.
The cells in the breast are PACKED
This was lacking in discussion on male breast cancer
My god! How men change when breast disappears 😓 or any illness hits! It's very sad
chumbyemmu does cancer patients get diabetes, like technically wont cancer cells be using a lot of sugar
do these cancer cells actually have insuolin receptors?
Symptom of diabetes is high sugar present in blood - hyperglycaemia. If the cancer cells take up all sugar in the blood to reproduce, the sugar in blood would become low. The pancreas would produce a different hormone glucagon which does the opposite of insulin increasing the sugar in blood by breaking down tissues. So cancer patients usually loss weights. Insulin actually makes cells take up sugars from blood.
@@florayin9116 so cancer cells do have those receptors inspite of the mutation for both glucagon and insulin
@@akshinbarathi8914 basically yes. All cells need energy and glucose is one of the major sources of energy. If a mutation makes them unable to take up energy, they will die off and won't become cancerous.
@@florayin9116 👍 cancer is the most confusing tyoe of diesase i ve seen.
our own cells in a unlimited division forn use all the energy to grow.
we should be proud of our boies.
so many trilion cells in our body each with detailed mechanism of replication and cell division.
not even a single mistake is allowed to take place.
the mutated cells are destryoed.
nature has created a very inticate and a beautiful body.
i live myself just becuase how complex our body is.
@@akshinbarathi8914
Actually, many mistakes are allowed to take place.
Mostly, they make no difference, or the cell dies because of it, or is killed for it. Or the mistake is caught and corrected.
Only very few and specific errors, namely those linked to cell death and division rates, can not be allowed to take place, for they create cancers, which will be deadly over time.
Small nuance, I suppose.
What happens to men who were exposed to the burn pits?
doesnt appear to be uniform across the board. we have reports of other cancers, including prostate and pancreatic. new rheumatisms in others. acute lung injury. and a recent article where jet fuel was found in the lungs of someone who had a double lung transplant
I think men can get breast cancer too, but I'm sure Dr Bernard can clarify on that
@@wentoneisendon6502 Yep. To give a really simple explanation, men have all the same tissue that women do, but they don't generally produce enough estrogen to turn them into boobs.
Volume seemed quite low to me for this episode
I agree. Alas, getting older sucks 😔
@@Naptosis lol its not an age thing. It's a technical issue with the recording.
it seemed alright , just increase volumes or use headphones 👍🏻
@@0h.manzzang304 is bad production practice. It's better if he makes necessary adjustments in his production than to have to force listeners to increase levels beyond normal levels.
@@0h.manzzang304 my volume was maxed on my phone and on the earphones I tried.
Thing is, cancer, in a way, is a superpower, but the problem is, so far it only mutates into uncontrollable state (cells keep reproducing because of lack of stop sign)
What does she mean by image of the breast causing issues. (More specifically what is the image of the breast)
she's referring to social stigma associated with breast cancer, since in some cases you can see the cancer growing out of the breast. you wouldn't see the same from colorectal, lung, pancreatic, etc
@@HemeReview How much time was she deployed and exposed to these burning pits?
Phroden Dekia If you look at the other video about her, it explains it.
@@phrodendekia All Day, Everyday For Her Deployment and Oncologists Researching Said It Was True
@@sophierobinson2738 I watched it, but maybe I didnt catch where she says how much time she was deployed. At some point I kinda understood it was a single year, and I thought it was extreme, so I doubt and thats the reason I asked.
Edit: perhaps it was for a whole year in 2005?
Any chance you could do a COVID-19 update, since more information is available.
Nah. I think people are sick of hearing about covid now, myself included.
Dreading all the wildfires affecting the west coast of USA, and how it's getting worse and worse every year... we're all affected as it permeates all coastal cities.
I honestly thought that superhero metaphor was rather pandering, not at all on par with the normal terminology of this channel. That being said it was still a great video, very sad, but also very interesting.
I don’t think pandering is the word you meant. It is a little out of place, but it’s probably how she explained to patients
@@savegalkissy if she explained it as a megalodonblastomatypetyingy your brain stops working. Its a skill to explain nuclear physics to a lumberjack which she has. Its not pandering. When people are in fight or fight response which they probably are visiting a cancer physician talking to them like children must be applauded
@@Jabarri74 pandering is absolutely the word I meant, we're not going in there for a diagnosis they don't need to step on eggshells when recording a video for an audience that's already very medically inclined.
@@crazyturd143 there is no guarantee this audience is medically inclined. RUclips recommendations give these out to whoever lol.
Also pandering is still not the right word. It means to indulge or humor, specially with connotations of doing so only to please people or gain points with them. Might you mean unsophisticated or simple?
@@Jabarri74 someone make megalodonblaatomatypethingy into an official medical term please
But yeah I agree
Man, those burn pits affected men and women, kids and old folks...."Sure, let's pyrolize a bunch of PVC plastic, generate all sorts of PCBs among lots of other mystery substances!)...
Yikes!
You guys could’ve touched on male breast cancer men are so unaware it still can happen
I wish we could control the cancer cells somehow, we could become immortal if we do 🙂
hi
imagine breathing black smoke and thinking everything is fine.
@Kate Hendricks Thomas even if it clearly meant a rapidly shortening life span?
@Kate Hendricks Thomas and they took advantage of that...I'm so sorry
Gib discussion on 23 bananas 🥺
Impressive indictment of how veterans are treated. They systematically train people from youth, and yet couldn't be bothered to teach about the dangers of producing toxic chemicals via burning. Not like it's our tax dollars being painstakingly rationed on conditions that people shouldn't even have...
The military in Iraq didn't have a good way to get rid of their garbage? I think it was a cheap and careless way. How about loading it up and sending it away like everyone else has to do?
I've waited three hours. Can we please have actual English subtitle.
Lets all thank KT for sacrificing her health for the great cause of Israel's prosperity
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Gotta say, I found it weird that Dr. Lim chose to use the word "superpower," and was annoyed enough that she kept hammering that over and over that it eventually was too much for me to see the rest.
Interesting video but I'm gonna forget all of this in like 2 hours so..
Good ole American government not giving 2 shits about the young men and women fighting and dying for their country.
There is a special place reserved in hell for the leadership who knowingly allow this kind of betrayal of our brave and selfless troops. ✊🏼✊🏽✊🏿
The f... . Isn't it enough to waste fuel for air craft carriers, tanks and what not and then withdraw with out a solution. No they also pollute the air with improper burning of waste. Yes you will hate it but military *is* waste of time and ressources.
The doctor is so pretty
so. she still farts..
You misspelled "smart" there
@@MrNicoJac she's pretty and smart
Thank you Doctor for this very informing discussion on breast cancer.
A good way to kill cancer is by not ingesting sugar and by controlling the total intake of carbs on a daily basis. The best way to kill cancer is by fasting. I practice prolonged fasting at least twice a year (10 days) to eradicate the possible illnesses in my body. It is said that we “all” have cancer at one time or another and our inmune system doesn’t let it progress and it is destroyed by the body. By following the recommendations of professionals like Dr. Jason Fung, and by using intermittent fasting, I was able to work my way up to 3 days of fasting (which I try to do monthly) and eventually practice prolonged fasting. Fasting helps fight cancer, obesity, diabetes, cancer and many more illnesses! See Jason Fung on RUclips!
What nonsense
Yeah, cancer does take advantage of fast energy sources- but so does the entire body. It's pretty irresponsible to say that fasting can kill something very capable of adapting to take advantage of a host
she is right though! cancer lives off glucose but you can live of ketones and starve off the cancer. fasting 3 days before chemotherapy also reduces side effects and enhances the effect on cancer cells. there is some research on this! fasting helps with regeneration, autophagy, supports the immune system etc.
Am I the only one so frustrated by how man overly simplistic metaphores she's using, like it's actually making it harder for me to understand like why can't you briefly explain a mutation that allows a cell to escape the cellular matrix, that's way more interesting than just calling it a 'superpower,' & it would be way easier to follow than having to decipher all these euphemisms.
edit: she also got the story about cancer-causing green paint wrong (I think). To my knowledge aromatic compounds in the paint weren't responsible for the cancer, it was the radioactive green radium!
Then you do a video explaining it your way. Most people are not avid in medical nomenclature. Mutation=superpower that allows the cell to escape its lane , ergo cellular matrix / plane. Very simple to follow for simple minds, this video is targeted for any audience to understand.
@@esmeesmeralda701 yeah I get that was the intention, but for me I just found it more complicating than helpful, no shade on her tho a lot of other parts of the video don't suffer from that problem nearly as much & she obviously knows what she's talking about. I just found that particular thing oddly annoying lol
@@esmeesmeralda701 mutations are taught around grade 8/year 9, wouldn't be much of a stretch at all.
@@da14a49 most people don’t remember that, especially if they have already graduated and it’s been 10+yrs. I know for a fact we learned chemistry in year 9 but have 0 recollection about it. Also simple algebra idk what it is but all my math knowledge from year 6-8 is gone but I have retained my post graduate math. Also for some reason I cannot describe the dang erosion and deposits rock life cycle HAHAHA but can totally talk about coral structures all day and microorganisms and their biology but that’s just me ranting in short the same thing could be said about cell anatomy and life cycle for others it’s just not retained information.
@@littlewickedone it’s chill dude I understand, my partner legit said something really condescending the other day like “you dream when you sleep…. If that makes any sense” and I was so offended and annoyed . Like of course that makes sense freaking asshole but they’re just silly .
Why do you make every video twice?
this is the full interview. I said it at the beginning.
The super power analogy gets kinda condescending really quickly.
I told her to speak for a general audience. breast cancer is adequately different enough in oncology itself that if she were to speak like she were at ASCO not many could quickly understand
I think it's fine. Most of us are lay men here
@Heme Review I think it's fine. Don't worry
It should be standard practice to have natural breasts removed and replaced with fakes. This would eliminate the cancer and still keep the men happy.
13:50 what does this have to do with the cancer? please stay professional, noone cares about their private life
stay mad
@@Konataizumi122435 yeah man, I don't want these damn lemons! what am I supposed to do with these?
because mental health and stress have no impact on the body whatsoever, naturally
@@JuliusUnique make lemonade duh?
@@koganusan4025 satire? I mean if you are depressed you can become self destructive so mental disorders can influence your health just not directly. Actually depression is an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain so that is basically a part of your physicsl health sorta so it can also influence your health directly?