@@hydrolito, that would have been a long and expensive car or plane ride, and I guess nobody close enough to a border blaster bothered to record its analog transmissions.
The shut down is just eerie. Especially at the end of the clip, it’s like not being able to have time for anything, it’s like not having time to escape for a nuclear explosion.
I remember that my aunt had a analog box TV it had no antennas. And when she would shut it off, there would be a single frame of cyan before shutting it off. I remember being very scared of the EAS alerts. I would run like a deer.
I don't know why it makes me so sad that analog stations no longer exist but it does. I grew up watching analog tv and it just seems like the end of something big that helped define tv viewing for so long. RIP analog stations. You had a hell of a good run.
You can still relive the past by making your own analog station, just keep it under 20 ft. (I know it's not the same.) Edit. I just want to get the RF modulator so I can actually put every single RF channel frequency on my TV, yep 2 though 69. Even though there's no TV channels going from 38 to 69 anymore since the FCC repack sucks.
Traditional NTSC had a much more graceful low signal partial failure state, as well as always better handling of a slow pan across a dimly lit scene. It still bothers me to see various framed pictures jerking at different rates across a digital screen.
@@simongrayakarapgod3158 Where can I get such an item? Only thing I see when I search google is 900 Mhz video transmitter and it has a receiver that connects to a TV.
@@chrisgarrett601 I've seen someone build one once using an NES RF Modulator, but I do know regulations are different around the world so it may be illegal where your at (thus not easily found) or has such low demand that only specific websites have such a thing, or it's not even sold online
I'm sad analog TV is gone. I shared that with my great grandparents. I felt like I still had a bond of some kind still with them and the past. Now I don't have that anymore. Digital rules. My TV doesn't work anymore because it's an analog. When I get my new place I have to get cable if I want to see TV. I don't make enough on disability so cable is not in the cards for me.
The snow, ghosting and other artifacts of analog TV were a lot easier to take than the never ending drop outs, freeze ups and glitches of digital reception.
RIP analog TV in America, I remember when all our local analog channels shut down in 2009, I recorded CBS and was tuning to PBS from a Sega Game Gear. I liked analog signals better because they don’t freeze and don’t have scanning issues especially with PBS stations.
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit NES is video games, we’re talking broadcast television, lot of us grew up with TV without cable nor internet. I’m mostly Gen X that strictly watched broadcast TV before RUclips came along.
Fue muy triste, recuerdo que antes de apagar todos los transmisores análogos de aqui, puerto rico, todas las personas que trabajaban en WAPA se despidieron y telemundo tambien: aquí te dejo un video de la despedida de wapa: ruclips.net/video/4TtXSFQd9i8/видео.html
@@Markimark151 Gen X here too. I wanted a game gear with the tv adaptor sooo bad when I was a kid! I wonder if you can somehow modify a digital tuner adaptor to it.
That's pretty amazing to witness the death of a station like that. Gives me chills. Although it's also a bit funny to see it just cut off mid commercial.
I can only assume the commercials continued on.....onto the digital channel! Oh, Ant'Man o9f Scranton....How's Dunder Mifflin doing? (Don't spoil it for me...)
Thanks for immortalizing this. Here goes away a cultural technological phenomenon. When two different technology can pickup the same signal. RIP Franken FM
@@アスパラトマト-p6u Sorry, I dont read that language but here's what google translate gave me: Analog TV will be reborn as all smartphone bumpers and asphalt. I want it to be easy. That's why it's nice to have something that is the most happy and kind to your wallet. I think it's a mountain of recycling. It's a quiet job, isn't it? I think it's a quiet appraisal tournament. Hope it's accurate.
I have a feeling that in 40 years, Tyler is gonna be hella famous. Future generations looking back will understand and appreciate this work. Thanks for this, Antenna Man. This moment is filled with melancholy and nostalgia for so many of us. Thanks for catching and collecting this moment.
I don't understand any negativity towards antenna man. The information he passed on is accurate. Those antennas are junk. I think the ones taking exception are selling the junk. I'm glad to see that there are others out there that got a thrill out of DX TV. I can deal with weak analog at least there was something to watch. Do we really need more channels transmitting 75 year old movies or 50 year old game shows. Oops I just realized I had forgotten one of my axioms. No matter how they color it, TV's sole purpose is to SELL JUNK.
TheBartolonomicron, Use of an Atari Video Music System could be a subtle form of humorous sarcasm on the part of station management and engineering to mock the FCC on their requirements regarding the whole boogered up analog/digital mess they created.
Back around 1955, I was two years old and managed to step in a hole and break my leg. I had to stay off my feet for a few weeks. Mom sat me down in front of our Philco B&W TV, and I amazed my relatives by memorizing the TV schedule for stuff I watched. Davy Crockett and Soupy Sales were two favorites!
In 1961, we had 2 channels (BBC and ITV) in the UK. 405 line, monochrome pictures, using positive modulation for the video. At the time, it seemed pretty good 🤣
The nice thing about analog was you could diagnosis reception problems just be looking at the picture. Noise, multi-path, co-channel, weak signal were all identifiable by the effect they made to the picture so you knew what to fix. With digital- the picture is either there or it isn't and if it isn't you have no clue why.
I agree, they should keep some analog picture or short video on some channels for this reason to set your anntena more easily, if it's possible. But some of today TVs don't even have analog tuner, so it's too late for such ideas, it should have been already included in first DVB-T standard or US alternatives. I don't understand why in DVB-T/DVB-T2 is not at least information about what TV tower you actually catch becuase sometimes it's very hard to identify it when you have one frequency multiplex in half of country. I think analog tuner should be still mandatory in all TVs and there should be possibility to fastly make some emergency analog TV in case of war or something, you can't really broadcast watchable digital TV from your basement when you are occupied or something. I guess that's why in conflict countries they still have analog TV. In digital, you can't even tune it when you have bad signal, with analog, you always see something on that frequency.
If the TV has a meter that shows the digital signal on a bar from 1-100, I have found that I can determine the difference between a weak signal, noise, and multi-path, by how the signal meter numbers bounces around, with help from knowing where the signal is broadcasting from, and the topography
Screw the FCC analog was the best when i was young loved getting those late night skip tv transmissions from all over. It really was thrilling to watch different programming from another local.
Major Disappointment, as a Ham Radio operator, I used to use analog TV to give an indication of how much DX (skip, as you called it) I could work on the 6 meter band. This band was close to the low VHF channels of analog TV (channels 2 thru 6). I lived in Chicago, IL then, and I would try watching on TV channel 4. If I got a good picture from WTMJ in Milwaukee, WI (when normally I got no signal), I knew conditions on 6 meters were great for DX. We can't do that anymore, unfortunately. I, too, liked watching skip (DX) TV. I miss that, too.
Yeah you can thank less than moonves aka Mr cell phones are the future the future is today hail the new regime! I've been saying screw them since the second great radio controversy in 1998. We will be officially spinning our wheels on an icy road when atsc 1.0 signs off as well.
I'm no ham operator but I do remember getting 3-4 radio stations on 94.7 FM driving up the grapevine here in California. It was interesting, usually there are two stations that cut into each other there, but there was a weather system that I suppose just amplified everything. For context this was when it was raining hard in 2017.
E-Skip is still occuring to this day though despite the analog TV sigs going off the air. FM DX is still quite fun and I partake in it. This summer alone ive gotten over 500+ ES catches from various FM stations all over the Midwest from here in California.
I joined the broadcast community at a time when everything is changing. It's heartbreaking to see the signals drop to static. The end of 100ish years of history.
Someday there's going to be hell to pay when there's some big emergency and digital transmission fails for some reason, or fails to decode, and we'll so regret giving up all analog OTA transmission which worked fine.
do modern TV's even have an analog tuner anymore? much less cellphones/PC's which are contributing massively to the decline of even cable and satellite TV's, thus a lack of need for any analog signal receiving capabilities. without the shutdown it wouldn't work regardless, except to people that own old TV's
I kid you not there is actually an LP emergency broadcast station in my area there was this enormous e Skip and it got gobbled up on contact by a fringe station half a state away. Now kids what did you learn in school today? :-)
I guess they're lucky that it got gobbled up in the middle of a sunny day. I'm in eagleville and so is the station nope 105.7 The x and occasionally the hawk out of manahawkin New Jersey right over it om nom nom
I remember watching a channel called Noggin and i whitnessed the day it finally shut down. I don't remember what day it was,but it was scary with the noise and the color bar showing up.
I also have experienced that but it was not ending in color bars but an hour before shutdown, they air some music videos, inspirational stuffs and in the last minutes it says that they will signing-off followed by the national Anthem then static. Edit: they also show the history of the station, their staffs, engineers, location of their station and transmitter and it's power.
There's still some analog channels left in Canada, but it's still crazy to think it's been completely wiped out elsewhere. I'm sure we'll follow suit in the coming years but for now I'll enjoy the nostalgia of the fuzzy screens and static. Thanks for an awesome video!
Is anyone else at least slightly angry/concerned about this? Pretty much all of our analog communication methods have been more or less been shut down. Even if they aren't in popular use, the thought that they're gone is troubling. The mechanisms might be forgotten in a generation or two. I grew up with the internet and even I know that it's dangerous to not have a backup option.
Yeah that would be like My parents getting rid of the emergency radio(hand crank) in the basement; Just cause "we have a flatscreen tv. down there...so why should we keep the radio we can use the tv." That's literally the explanation.......more...or less.....
The FCC has pretty much gone with Radio staying Analog for the long term, as HD Radio just isn’t viable, while the ATSC is moving to opening up Hybrid station setups
Analog was always better than cable, even back in 2009 before all of the main channels were forced to switch. I’d rather take the snow effects and slight distortion over freezing up and buffing loading any day when given the opportunity. And maybe it was just me, but there was also less ads on analog too, and was way easier to record footage from. Of course it wasn’t as big of a loss to me as some other people since I’ve largely already transitioned to the internet a long time ago before that, but it still sucked that TV was no longer convenient anymore by then, and especially not now since stuff like streaming services are taking over, making them even less reliable since they absolutely *need* to connect to your wifi 24/7 with no brief dropouts in between. I just try to stick to downloading as much as I can, wether it be through purchases or through pirating and/or archiving. It’s way more convenient by then, has no connection issues, no ads, and is most likely to be cleaned up more than how it originally aired on television anyways. But still, it really sucked that they still went under at the time because while the internet was starting to go on a massive rise by that point, not everyone would still transition quick enough or could afford it, and it certainly doesn’t help when some areas can receive signals worse than others too depending on where you are. *Shame* on the FCC and everyone else involved for forcing the shut down of independent stations. *Everyone* should have an alternative to watch television, no matter how low in quality it is. Imagine having no option to watch television anymore by the 1990’s unless you subscribed to the internet, which was still in its public infancy at the time. None of the kids would’ve had a clue what the heck a “TV” or “Nickelodeon” were if that was to happen. I know it’s a more drastic comparison, but still, the point is that not everyone is willing to fork out an absurd amount of additional money just to watch something. The internet by itself is expensive to keep as is, so I don’t think paying for stuff like streaming services is worth it at *all.* My parents still subscribe to one or two services at a time, but if I was them, I would just not pay for any period and look for free alternatives. It’s not like the exclusive content from each service gets dumped in some places the same day or day after they come out anyways. Yao what people might think that’s cheating, but unless there’s physical releases for said media, then I don’t think there should be a problem in downloading stuff myself. It’s the same reason why emulation is a thing for video games, because most of those games aren’t even playable anymore on modern systems. It’s not because we get paying for stuff entirely, it’s because of preservation. Why else do you think stuff like the lost media community is much bigger now than it ever has been before? Hell, even before stuff like that, restoration efforts have always been a big deal even during the late 20th century. (I say late because everything before the 1970’s was always trashed and replaced, even for popular stuff at the time since it wasn’t easy to have physical home media until then. There’s currently over 90 lost Doctor Who episodes for a comparison! I don’t care for that show a lot, but that’s a *lot,* and that’s just from a fully syndicated show!) So yeah, I don’t feel bad about simply downloading stuff off the internet anymore. It’s not like it’s an illegal thing to do anyways, and even if it was, it’s still much easier and preferable than paying for something I can have in a worse way and with the money I do not have. Needless to say, the only things I go out of my way to buy physical media for these days is video games still being made and sold, but even then it’s not exactly hard to just buy something like an SD card (For the Nintendo Switch at least) and put all the digital purchases on that either. It’s less preferable but hey, it’s another physical option technically speaking, I guess. Damn, I really went off on a tangent there didn’t I? *Lol*
I'm into engineering of modern high-tech, but old-school is really important to understanding modern high-tech ... and where it all came from. There were many brilliant old-school ideas, as people didn't have modern computing to rely on. This actually saddens me ... similar to the many major shortwave stations that disappeared in recent years. Great channel and great treatment of this event ... thanks.
So this explains how I was able to hear a 'radio play' as a kid! I remember playing around with the radio we had in the bathroom when I was six years old and hearing a McDonald's ad and what might be Julie Kavener's voice saying "I will be your worst enemy". That probably gave me the idea later that same year to ask my mom if it's possible to listen to an ABC Family Christmas movie on the car radio as we had to leave before the movie was halfway done.
At least chicago finally has an atsc 3.0 station. I know a ton will pop up soon in the fall as well. But there needs to be a way to convert av1 audio though.
*I am very glad that I wittiness this in 2009 thanks to my parents visiting West Virginia US back then three years after I created this RUclips account.*
Thanks for including me in your video! It took a while to get the video signal, because it was so weak that I had to go to the tower to get a clear signal Also, I'll have to update my channel banner and stuff, I made it years ago and it looks pretty bad, so hopefully it'll look better than before!
it's sad, i agree but at least in major metropolitan areas, there are still good college radio and non-profit stations. here in new york city, we are blessed with college radio wkcr, wnyu, wfmu, wfdu, wshu, wfuv plus independent/non-profit wbgo, wnyc, wqxr.
@@AntennaMan The only good stations out there these days that aren't extremely repetitive are the classic hits stations that play pretty much anything from the 70s to the 90s and early 2000s. In my area it's 92.5, 106.1, 95.7 (when in range) FM. It's good to have these around.
I hope tropospheric ducting is strong on December 3 so I can possibly watch the final moments of analog tv in Canada. There’s a channel 3 station 95 miles away, a channel 6 station 109 miles away, and a channel 10 station 130 miles away. I’ve received all of these stations before. Canada still has some analog tv stations in low populated areas many broadcast at a very high power. My local community tv station switched to digital in February.
its sad that they are shutting it off in Canada. They are ones who really need it, mainly for Yukon and Nunavut where there is no cable (for the most part), and digital signals are hard to receive with all the mountains. Which brings the only option to extremely expense satellite
There was a pirate station somewhere near me that broadcasted in the 89FM range years ago that played nothing but music by the Beatles. It got attention and someone wrote about it in a newspaper and a few weeks later it died because the FCC was looking for the source. It was a bummer
I grew up around the major transition from Analog to Digital (Mid 2000s-Early 2010s) and it hurts, I used to watch stuff in my parents analog tv (like old recordings of WWF) even though I didn’t see it much since we switched to digital shortly after 2009, this still hurts.
Yeah, only hobbyists will be able to use them. Although the usefulness of a handheld analog tv died to me once high power was shut down and no longer could you get weather updates, or local news (out on the road, traveling, camping, visiting, work...) The remainong franken FMs were not too useful TV wise. But i still don't think they should go... Not everyone lives in a super modern big city where cell data speeds are #1 priority.
The most interesting thing reported on the AVS Forum during the analog shutdown was that as the stations were switching off on the east coast, people were posting screen shots of how much *better* their analog reception was getting every day. People had been putting up with noisy picture quality and had no idea it had been interference from other stations the whole time until those interfering stations switched off. I saw the screen shots they posted from before the stations started shutting down and I could not believe anyone would put up with watching that mess every day.
For all of you antenna geeks out there: I rescan my over the air TV and got analog channel 2 out of Canada on 7/15/2021. I am located southeast of Rochester New York. They are still going strong. It sad that we can zero in on distant radio/TV signal anymore. I mainly deal with AM radio, but understand fully the plight of the LP TV signal seekers. Peace ✌
Thanks for the vid, Tyler. I did have a few videos ready, but I forgot to submit them to you! Also, you are all right to miss Analog. We just killed 80+ years of Television history, but on the bright side, the 3.0 signals will be great for OTA
@@dougbrowning82 True, those box TV's were probably outdated in the 1990s, even with digital in it's infancy. The way I see it, people who bought converter boxes in 2009 might do it again for 3.0, because it's more affordable. (A thousand dollar Samsung versus a hundred dollar box, effectively). Eventually, all the analog sets will phase out, but I'd imagine there will still be a purpose to them 10 years from now.
Analog TV is dead... long live home theatre. 🔊 Now we just wait for... PIRATE TV! 🏴☠️ It would be likely better than the garbage that TV has been for 22 years now!
AnalogueTV in Australia closed long ago now. As a TV DXer I have no signals to look for now, although I sometimes see digital signals (DVB-T) from Traralgon in the east of Victoria here in the West of Victoria. Channel 3 in Australia has a sound carrier at the bottom end of the FM band. Channel 4 in the middle and channel 5 at the top, it we could hear TV sound on FM radios. I use to heat ABRV 3 Ballarat and ABLV 4 Traragon in Melbourne constantly,
You can get a converter box. Don't know if you remember this, but years ago, the US government was mailing out $40 coupons for anyone who went online to request one. I requested one of those $40 coupons, and bought a converter box at Best Buy. I was able to watch digital TV with my older analogue TV. The only reason I don't use a converter box anymore is because I have cable TV now. I don't think you'll be able to find a converter box in stores nowadays. But you should be able to buy one online.
@@ClumsyCars Yes, but some of us still use older sets! I have a Sony TV. My parents bought it as a gift for me when I was in high school. That was in 2002, by the way. It's still my main TV, I use it every day. And it's made in Japan. I don't feel the need to buy new Chinese-made junk, which for sure won't last 20+ years.
Hard to believe this wonderful early TV standard survived this long. I think over 50years commercially? I remember as a youngster seeing a test patterns showing before the first AM show Davey and Goliath. I forget what channel?. I thinks they might have even done the Pledge of Allegiance?. Something like that I believe before Davey? Anyway analog radio and TV really changed the world. Thank you for posting the final good bye to analog. RIP...will never forget
@@frankm496 The industry didn't want to change because it was making plenty of money with blurry analog television. RCA engineers who had great ideas for improvements were given projects that management never bothered to implement in products because they would have made the sets slightly more expensive and less profitable. A lot of engineers left for companies who embraced change. The last analog models from Zenith looked great because they had finally implemented a lot of digital processing that cleaned up the image, reduced interlacing artifacts (especially shimmering), and reduced ghosting. They had waited until these things were cheap enough to implement.
I so miss the days of analog tv, when the bi yearly skip would occur, it wasn't uncommon to receive tv stations that were several hundreds of miles away, if only for a brief time, but nonetheless still pretty cool, Liked your vid
We tried a few years ago to get the FCC to extend the FM band down to 68 MH. This would double the FM band space there by giving a lot more room for local community stations and mom and pop stations. It not like we really need it with the crowed FM band we have right now and little if no room for new radio stations to be added. I have an LPFM station and have been on air for twenty years and I can tell you this would really help the FM band.
Yes, I'm sad to see analog go. And the digital transition was a joke as well as the repack. Maybe ASTC 3.0 will finally make things the way they should be.
Omg. My grandma had that Panasonic tv radio at the beginning. I remember going to here house as a kid one day, asking to watch TV, and being brought into her room and told to use that thing. I cried lol
"Analog over-the-air TV had a charm that will never be matched." Very nicely put. I grew up during the 1960s and 70s in central NJ --halfway between Philly and New York--and this was our VHF lineup on our RCA Victor B&W TV: 2--WCBS, NYC 3--some Philly station that didn't come in well 4--WNBC, NYC 5--WNEW, NYC 6--same as 3 7--WABC, NYC 8--didn't come in at all 9--WOR, NYC 10--WCAX, had same programming as CBS 11--WPIX, NYC 12--didn't come in at all 13--WNET, public TV out of Newark, NJ, often didn't come in well Seems like we had our antenna pointed toward NYC! 🙂 When my family got a TV with a UHF receiver (channels 14-83), the only channels we could get were channel 29 (WTAF, Philly), and I believe 48, which I never watched. Things I remember about analog TV were that the programming wasn't bunched together in such a split-second manner as it is with cable. You always had about a second or so of empty space between commercials and programming. On the back of the TVs you had Horizontal Hold and Vertical Hold knobs to adjust the picture when that was needed. Also, I remember the fact that it took the TV a few seconds to warm up, and then you had that vacuum-tube glow on the tube after you shut the TV off. ❤
I remember watching a number of stations shutting down their analog broadcasts and some stations, mostly cable channels, starting up for the first time.
They are broadcasting NextGen on channel 6 as I write this. I can't verify the analog FM signal as I don't have a radio that can tune down that low. But, I have watched the ATSC 3.0 channel 6 on my HDHomerun 4K
No more analog tv means no more ghosting, snowy reception, etc. I can live with that. When tv went digital I went from receiving 5 channels, a couple quite snowy, to now over 40 channels, all crystal clear. If I get a desire to see old analog tv, I still have a few VHS tapes of old shows, and a VCR to play them on!
We didn't gain any new channels in Winnipeg when we went digital in 2011. Still the same 6 channels we had before. Two of which are marginal now. Sometimes they're there, sometimes they're not. And we can't get channel 12 from Pembina anymore. So we actually lost one channel.
Not really OTA, but in Germany we still had analog cable TV (which is much less of a luxury here than it seems to (have been) in the US?) til mid 2021 with around 35 stations. The shutdown announcement via on-screen banners came rather abruptly (only a week or two before the shutdown). Very much a shame as this was the last _easy_ way to demo and test analog equipment (TVs and VCRs mainly) without having to set up your own in-home low power transmission clusterfck. That said, OTA in itself was also a fck of many clusters. DVB-T (the equivalent to ATSC here) was pushed REALLY hard, but only a couple years after the analog OTA shutdown, private stations began to drop from DVB-T citing too high transmission costs vs. viewership, which in turn made getting a DVB-T receiver even less appealing than it already was, between reception issues and dropouts. 2019 then saw the final nail in the coffin as DVB-T (based on MPEG2 video like a DVD) was shut down and replaced by DVB-T2 based on MPEG4. And while they were at it, they also cranked the DRM knob all the way to 11 so the only stations you could receive for free were the 3 or 4 state-run ones, making DVB-T2 basically a stillborn. End of the story? OTA is dead, both analog and digital. Yay for "progress" huh?
As a young teen (LONG ago), something I loved doing in the wee overnight hours was floating the UHF tuning dial and picking up a TV station I'd never heard of, with some fair static yet viewable if you squint! I recall, too, a radio listening club in [I believe] Finland or Norway send Des Moines, IA's WHO 1040 AM radio station a cassette of their broadcast they'd picked up. Initially, WHO used a new slogan, "Coast to coast, border to border, and then some!," for some years...then the FCC said they could not use that b/c it was "deceptive." [ ??!!! ] Dudes: They *have* that tape proving the signals bounce! Y'all got nothing better to do?
From Des Moines here... they done goffed picking up WHO. Absolute trash radio station. Infect all of the radio here is trash (also I can only barley pick up WHO on my emergency radio I tinker around with sometimes how the hell did they pick it up from NORWAY)
In india also, since 2010 only digital was pushed very hard. In 7-8 years then, everyone finally shifted to digital signal. Now analog tv are dead in India.
@@AntennaMan that doesn't really explain why, if digital 6 remains TV, why would they have to stop the analog low power? The repacks have been moving channels into VHF-Low, not away from them. There seems to be no plan to sell off VHF low, despite the claims in your video.
I'm a railfan so I imagine it's the same feeling as when they retire old trains from service and the only times you can ride them are for special excursions but it just doesn't feel the same.
I miss analog TV DXing. You knew it was going to be a great opening (and what a thrill it was) when the skip stations from 1,000 miles away started taking out and overriding your local TV stations. I remember the "floaters", that was when the skip station had the same "offset" as your local TV station and you were able to see the DX station float over your local. I remember seeing the WPBT 2 Miami "floaters" over the local WCBS 2 from New York. I miss the 10 and 20 khz offsets and the whine they made when a skip station from 1,000 miles was overtaking your 40 mile semi local station. The once familiar "lines on channel 2" would be the first indication of E-Skip on the TV bands. As the MUF would rise, the skip started to effect channels, 3 then 4 & 5. Then once it hit channel 6, the skip would be in the FM broadcast band. And the TV stations weren't just bounced around in North America, occasionally it would bounce across the pond to Europe! Like this one from WESH TV Channel 2 Orlando, FL being received in Portugal. ruclips.net/video/zzhyzrC2xSM/видео.html
Norfolk, Atlanta and Denver were granted Special Temporary Authority (STA) to continue 87.7 analog as a part of ATSC3, similar to VTG's STAs in Chicago and San Jose.
@@AntennaMan Yes, they did. There may be more coming as stations turn up ATSC3. You can use REC's "FCC Today" website to watch the activity. All TV channel 6 applications and actions show up there with a green background. Just watch for the file numbers that show on there beginning with "ML3-", those are license applications for ATSC3.
Also WNYZ-LP, the Korean language station in New York City filed a modification application today with a note "recommended by FCC staff" that they intend to install ATSC3 to resume FM6 operation. They also claim the station has ceased analog broadcasting. I wonder if that station is still on the air with FM6 as we speak (7/16 5:47pm ET).
@@AntennaMan The whole issue is a fluid event. The legal question that would need to be raised is whether an analog carrier as part of an ATSC3 signal violates the laws that were passed by Congress on this issue (which I believe does use the word "digital" in the codified law). When Congress writes a law, it is not always clear. The ongoing rulemaking, MB Docket 03-185 will hopefully work all of that out. What I am going to be interested in seeing is what one of these ATSC3 signals with an analog carrier looks like on a spectrum analyzer and what, if any signal is present in the spectrum between 87.8 and 88.0. I am hoping that NPR does the right thing and conduct a new study on the impact of radio stations between 88.1~91.9 and channel 6 TV stations operating in ATSC1 and ATSC3. This would allow TV stations (both full-service and LPTV/FM6) to co-exist peacefully with radio services with no or substantially reduced interference protection standards. If these ATSC3 systems are actually putting the analog carrier on 87.70 (as opposed to 87.75) that would help radio a little bit. The current interference rules on the books were written for NTSC and were written based on people having older style (mechanical) TV tuners. The radio industry does have other issues about FM6 (around consistency with rules that apply to FM but not TV)... but right now, I am only concerned about the availability of spectrum for new and modified radio stations in 88~92. If VTG's system works and it is resistant to any "interference" from 88.1~91.9 FM, then more power to them. It will be up to the FCC to make the final decisions on this.
Hey man. Thanks for sharing this, I had no idea that this had happened. I just checked 87.7 FM down here in South Florida, and it has gone silent with just static. However with 87.7 gone I did notice there is a pirate now at 87.9 playing French creole music I think. It's likely a pirate. Thanks again.
After close to a century of bringing programming to the US, Its time to say goodbye to analog television. We well all miss analog and the joy it brought to the United States. Its unfair that iconic things like analog TV have to shut down becuase other companies need more service and a quick buck. But what once they say, "That's the way it is" -Walter Cronkite. From all of us in the United States, goodbye to analog television. RIP Analog TV 1928-2021 Age: 93 #RIPAnalogTV
With digital, it either works or doesn't work (sometimes both but never at the same time). With analog, you got both work and doesn't work. It may have had a crackle in sound and a snowy picture but you still never got to miss a episode of Mad About You.
I used to work for cablevision in Jersey.. i remember back in '09, we had an absolute TON of jobs for CATV installs, due to the whole "broadcast is going away soon" hype.
WMTO in Norfolk VA had it's share of "issues". When they first came on the air, they ran a continuous loop of audio and never gave ID's. What happened was, they were reported as being a "pirate station" because they were throwing a massive signal over Norfolk, but never ID'd themselves or had any talking other than liners. When the FCC investigated, they discovered they were over power and fined them. They were on one of the tall TV towers in Suffolk, VA. As of now, Streetz FM is broadcasting on an FM signal at 102.1 they bought(?) in Virginia Beach which doesn't even cover all of the Hampton Roads area, and the Franken FM on channel 6 seems to be gone.
I was born in 1985 my first memory of antenna television was the ice storm of 1991 in new york I'm actually going to miss the color bars and the snow I use to go to sleep watching the bars and snow when I was little great video you have a new subscriber keep up the great work
@@izzystar5904 so I’m not aloud to broadcast anything on my own/my way with what ever equipment I’d like? Does it cause a disturbance in their broadcasting/waves? LOL I’m just trying to figure all this out. 🤨
@@mrchops4099 By rights, you should be able to use any part of the radio spectrum you want, however you want. Radio is supposed to belong to the public, after all. Governments around the world set up regulations and regulators early on because they decided that the public couldn't be trusted to play nice. Now, they've learned how to sell off a public resource to private corporations, just like they've done with water in many areas. Just wait until they sell off the air we breathe to the corporations.
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit really?!?! Cool let’s start our own network and do everything right from entertainment to the news I’m sick everybody out there being childish. The bad guys have Ruined everything. Our entertainment was everything in the country. They’ve abused it. We’ll even air older stuff that was right back when we had the best storytellers like the first Simpson episodes, in living color Saturday night live episodes when they weren’t Rub it in everybody’s face that they’re Elite/ Famous (Wayne’s World etc) in the meen time we’ll be working on and broadcasting our own shows (anybody that’s got something fun/funny on our network) there’s 3-hundred million people in the US and all we can do as far as talent is these lame ass movies/actors and TV shows with the actors explaining everything in the Dialogue? I got a feelin the Majority of the country isn’t that stupid LOL we can see what is happening in the scenes I need to have the characters explain it to me like we’re toddlers. I’m I the only one that notices any of this? Anybody watching the mainstream media? It’s past weird at this point. Are they making people famous just because they’re one of them or something? We gotta take back the airwaves 🤘🏼💯🌎
I always liked TV and FM DX 😞 since I started my interest in MW, FM, and TV in 1960, which led to my interest in the Amateur Radio to this day. Thanks 😊 for this interesting video. I remember WNYZ- LP when living near New York City. These low power 🔋 FM stations served a purpose, as you said the MW and FM are pretty boring 😴 these days. They sound a lot alike from my 60 plus years of listening to them. Ray
Those channels always had the BEST holiday themed content 🎃🦃☃️🦌🎅🎄❗You'd see Christmas episodes of bygone TV shows that you can't find on dvd,blu ray, or cable. Those channels had a vibe of warmth and family. They showcased holiday episodes from TV shows that barely made it past the pilot episode. Something truly BEAUTIFUL has been forced into retirement way too soon. 😭
I've had strange experiences of picking up radio stations on TV and TV on radio bands before. Kinda cool. My old analog TV used to get KJKJ FM 107.5 in Grand Forks, ND.
Tyler, are those crossed stroking index fingers(shame on you) known outside of our location. My Mom was from Quakertown. I was the recipient of shame fingers a few times. Jerry in Hatfield
If I had a TV manufacturing business, I’d make the interface have an “analog” mode, where it would have digital reception, but look visually like analog.
In San Diego channel 6 used to be Fox. I remember when we would tune the big speaker stereo to 87.7 and watch Star Trek TNG, or other Movie-the-Week. Very much a poor man’s theater sound for a CRT tv with no audio out.
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Did you factor in analog broadcast from Mexico.
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@@hydrolito, that would have been a long and expensive car or plane ride, and I guess nobody close enough to a border blaster bothered to record its analog transmissions.
😂
The shut down is just eerie. Especially at the end of the clip, it’s like not being able to have time for anything, it’s like not having time to escape for a nuclear explosion.
Alrighty then weirdo
Yeah, it’s definitely eerie
Isn't every single analog shutdown eerie? (Or disturbing)
I remember that my aunt had a analog box TV it had no antennas. And when she would shut it off, there would be a single frame of cyan before shutting it off. I remember being very scared of the EAS alerts. I would run like a deer.
I don't know why it makes me so sad that analog stations no longer exist but it does. I grew up watching analog tv and it just seems like the end of something big that helped define tv viewing for so long. RIP analog stations. You had a hell of a good run.
You can still relive the past by making your own analog station, just keep it under 20 ft. (I know it's not the same.)
Edit. I just want to get the RF modulator so I can actually put every single RF channel frequency on my TV, yep 2 though 69. Even though there's no TV channels going from 38 to 69 anymore since the FCC repack sucks.
Traditional NTSC had a much more graceful low signal partial failure state, as well as always better handling of a slow pan across a dimly lit scene. It still bothers me to see various framed pictures jerking at different rates across a digital screen.
@@simongrayakarapgod3158 Where can I get such an item? Only thing I see when I search google is 900 Mhz video transmitter and it has a receiver that connects to a TV.
@@chrisgarrett601 I've seen someone build one once using an NES RF Modulator, but I do know regulations are different around the world so it may be illegal where your at (thus not easily found) or has such low demand that only specific websites have such a thing, or it's not even sold online
I'm sad analog TV is gone. I shared that with my great grandparents. I felt like I still had a bond of some kind still with them and the past.
Now I don't have that anymore.
Digital rules. My TV doesn't work anymore because it's an analog.
When I get my new place I have to get cable if I want to see TV. I don't make enough on disability so cable is not in the cards for me.
It’s an honor to be immortalized in an Antenna man video! Thanks again for documenting this.
No problem - thanks for helping to make it possible!
how did you comment 12 hours before this video was posted?
@@Taviannorman its a youtube glitch maybe
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No, supporters of the channel get early access to videos.
That profile pic brings back memories
The snow, ghosting and other artifacts of analog TV were a lot easier to take than the never ending drop outs, freeze ups and glitches of digital reception.
The snow, ghosting, and other artifacts were why everyone got cable.
@@scottlarson1548 - People bought cable and satellite service to receive networks that were unavailable to be received over the air via antennas.
@@S955US84 So they didn't carry local channels?
Agreed. I’d take fuzz and snow over a blank or skipping screen.
@@OneCrayGuy89 I would take perfect high definition over fuzz and snow. In fact that's what I did!
RIP analog TV in America, I remember when all our local analog channels shut down in 2009, I recorded CBS and was tuning to PBS from a Sega Game Gear. I liked analog signals better because they don’t freeze and don’t have scanning issues especially with PBS stations.
You Can Still Make Your Own Analog TV Station With A NES...
It's Odd
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit NES is video games, we’re talking broadcast television, lot of us grew up with TV without cable nor internet. I’m mostly Gen X that strictly watched broadcast TV before RUclips came along.
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit how? That'd be interesting although I'm afraid the FCC will send their goons because T-Mobile wants more five-gee.
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@@Markimark151
Gen X here too. I wanted a game gear with the tv adaptor sooo bad when I was a kid! I wonder if you can somehow modify a digital tuner adaptor to it.
That's pretty amazing to witness the death of a station like that. Gives me chills. Although it's also a bit funny to see it just cut off mid commercial.
Going full capitalist till the end.
I can only assume the commercials continued on.....onto the digital channel! Oh, Ant'Man o9f Scranton....How's Dunder Mifflin doing? (Don't spoil it for me...)
Thanks for immortalizing this. Here goes away a cultural technological phenomenon. When two different technology can pickup the same signal. RIP Franken FM
アナログTVが全てのスマホバンパーやアスファルトなどに生まれ変わってきますよ。簡単にほしくなりつつありますよ。だから幸せ一番一杯で財布などに優しいみたいなものは素敵ですよね。リサイクルの山かなと思いますよ。静かな仕事ですよね。静かな鑑定大会かなと思いますよ。
@@アスパラトマト-p6u Sorry, I dont read that language but here's what google translate gave me: Analog TV will be reborn as all smartphone bumpers and asphalt. I want it to be easy. That's why it's nice to have something that is the most happy and kind to your wallet. I think it's a mountain of recycling. It's a quiet job, isn't it? I think it's a quiet appraisal tournament.
Hope it's accurate.
I have a feeling that in 40 years, Tyler is gonna be hella famous. Future generations looking back will understand and appreciate this work. Thanks for this, Antenna Man. This moment is filled with melancholy and nostalgia for so many of us. Thanks for catching and collecting this moment.
Ah thanks for the kind words. I just wanted to document this since no one else really was
I don't understand any negativity towards antenna man. The information he passed on is accurate. Those antennas are junk. I think the ones taking exception are selling the junk. I'm glad to see that there are others out there that got a thrill out of DX TV. I can deal with weak analog at least there was something to watch. Do we really need more channels transmitting 75 year old movies or 50 year old game shows. Oops I just realized I had forgotten one of my axioms. No matter how they color it, TV's sole purpose is to SELL JUNK.
Holy cow they're still using an Atari Video Music System? That's an obscure bit of hardware.
TheBartolonomicron, Use of an Atari Video Music System could be a subtle form of humorous sarcasm on the part of station management and engineering to mock the FCC on their requirements regarding the whole boogered up analog/digital mess they created.
Mine is still working on my tv…
Some of us are still using our Atari Video Music boxes.
My earliest TV memories are from 1961 when I was 4. We had one TV channel on a tiny screen in glorious black and white.
Brought people together more.most people had maybe 4-5 goal channels.So you always found people that watched the same shows like johnny Carson.
@@richardmorris7063 I do remember watching Jack Parr on the tonight show because our one channel was NBC.
Back around 1955, I was two years old and managed to step in a hole and break my leg. I had to stay off my feet for a few weeks. Mom sat me down in front of our Philco B&W TV, and I amazed my relatives by memorizing the TV schedule for stuff I watched. Davy Crockett and Soupy Sales were two favorites!
@@MikeinVirginia1 Oh my God! I totally forgot about Soupy Sales, I never missed his show!
In 1961, we had 2 channels (BBC and ITV) in the UK. 405 line, monochrome pictures, using positive modulation for the video. At the time, it seemed pretty good 🤣
The nice thing about analog was you could diagnosis reception problems just be looking at the picture. Noise, multi-path, co-channel, weak signal were all identifiable by the effect they made to the picture so you knew what to fix. With digital- the picture is either there or it isn't and if it isn't you have no clue why.
I agree, they should keep some analog picture or short video on some channels for this reason to set your anntena more easily, if it's possible. But some of today TVs don't even have analog tuner, so it's too late for such ideas, it should have been already included in first DVB-T standard or US alternatives. I don't understand why in DVB-T/DVB-T2 is not at least information about what TV tower you actually catch becuase sometimes it's very hard to identify it when you have one frequency multiplex in half of country. I think analog tuner should be still mandatory in all TVs and there should be possibility to fastly make some emergency analog TV in case of war or something, you can't really broadcast watchable digital TV from your basement when you are occupied or something. I guess that's why in conflict countries they still have analog TV. In digital, you can't even tune it when you have bad signal, with analog, you always see something on that frequency.
If the TV has a meter that shows the digital signal on a bar from 1-100, I have found that I can determine the difference between a weak signal, noise, and multi-path, by how the signal meter numbers bounces around, with help from knowing where the signal is broadcasting from, and the topography
Screw the FCC analog was the best when i was young loved getting those late night skip tv transmissions from all over. It really was thrilling to watch different programming from another local.
Major Disappointment, as a Ham Radio operator, I used to use analog TV to give an indication of how much DX (skip, as you called it) I could work on the 6 meter band. This band was close to the low VHF channels of analog TV (channels 2 thru 6). I lived in Chicago, IL then, and I would try watching on TV channel 4. If I got a good picture from WTMJ in Milwaukee, WI (when normally I got no signal), I knew conditions on 6 meters were great for DX. We can't do that anymore, unfortunately. I, too, liked watching skip (DX) TV. I miss that, too.
Yeah you can thank less than moonves aka Mr cell phones are the future the future is today hail the new regime! I've been saying screw them since the second great radio controversy in 1998. We will be officially spinning our wheels on an icy road when atsc 1.0 signs off as well.
Skip has been popping back up, now that the sunspots are active again. I’ve gotten several FM stations this summer from 900-1000 miles.
I'm no ham operator but I do remember getting 3-4 radio stations on 94.7 FM driving up the grapevine here in California. It was interesting, usually there are two stations that cut into each other there, but there was a weather system that I suppose just amplified everything. For context this was when it was raining hard in 2017.
E-Skip is still occuring to this day though despite the analog TV sigs going off the air. FM DX is still quite fun and I partake in it. This summer alone ive gotten over 500+ ES catches from various FM stations all over the Midwest from here in California.
I joined the broadcast community at a time when everything is changing. It's heartbreaking to see the signals drop to static. The end of 100ish years of history.
Someday there's going to be hell to pay when there's some big emergency and digital transmission fails for some reason, or fails to decode, and we'll so regret giving up all analog OTA transmission which worked fine.
do modern TV's even have an analog tuner anymore? much less cellphones/PC's which are contributing massively to the decline of even cable and satellite TV's, thus a lack of need for any analog signal receiving capabilities. without the shutdown it wouldn't work regardless, except to people that own old TV's
I kid you not there is actually an LP emergency broadcast station in my area there was this enormous e Skip and it got gobbled up on contact by a fringe station half a state away. Now kids what did you learn in school today? :-)
I guess they're lucky that it got gobbled up in the middle of a sunny day. I'm in eagleville and so is the station nope 105.7 The x and occasionally the hawk out of manahawkin New Jersey right over it om nom nom
Yep and they are doing this for that reason. So they can easily control acces
@@cpufreak101 A digital one can scan in analog ones. That's how people play old game consoles on new TVs
I remember watching a channel called Noggin and i whitnessed the day it finally shut down. I don't remember what day it was,but it was scary with the noise and the color bar showing up.
I also have experienced that but it was not ending in color bars but an hour before shutdown, they air some music videos, inspirational stuffs and in the last minutes it says that they will signing-off followed by the national Anthem then static.
Edit: they also show the history of the station, their staffs, engineers, location of their station and transmitter and it's power.
analog nicalodian!
right?
I think I remember that one!
wasnt it mostly for learning and stuff?
There's still some analog channels left in Canada, but it's still crazy to think it's been completely wiped out elsewhere. I'm sure we'll follow suit in the coming years but for now I'll enjoy the nostalgia of the fuzzy screens and static. Thanks for an awesome video!
Despite the fact that I haven't used Analog TV since 2009, this is still incredibly sad to me
I havent used it since everything was suddenly going down one day
Is anyone else at least slightly angry/concerned about this? Pretty much all of our analog communication methods have been more or less been shut down. Even if they aren't in popular use, the thought that they're gone is troubling. The mechanisms might be forgotten in a generation or two. I grew up with the internet and even I know that it's dangerous to not have a backup option.
It makes me a little sad. It's the end of an era
Yeah that would be like My parents getting rid of the emergency radio(hand crank) in the basement;
Just cause "we have a flatscreen tv. down there...so why should we keep the radio we can use the tv."
That's literally the explanation.......more...or less.....
The FCC has pretty much gone with Radio staying Analog for the long term, as HD Radio just isn’t viable, while the ATSC is moving to opening up Hybrid station setups
Same here.
It's a war on personal freedom and furthermore preventing the government from being overthrown
Analog was always better than cable, even back in 2009 before all of the main channels were forced to switch. I’d rather take the snow effects and slight distortion over freezing up and buffing loading any day when given the opportunity. And maybe it was just me, but there was also less ads on analog too, and was way easier to record footage from. Of course it wasn’t as big of a loss to me as some other people since I’ve largely already transitioned to the internet a long time ago before that, but it still sucked that TV was no longer convenient anymore by then, and especially not now since stuff like streaming services are taking over, making them even less reliable since they absolutely *need* to connect to your wifi 24/7 with no brief dropouts in between. I just try to stick to downloading as much as I can, wether it be through purchases or through pirating and/or archiving. It’s way more convenient by then, has no connection issues, no ads, and is most likely to be cleaned up more than how it originally aired on television anyways. But still, it really sucked that they still went under at the time because while the internet was starting to go on a massive rise by that point, not everyone would still transition quick enough or could afford it, and it certainly doesn’t help when some areas can receive signals worse than others too depending on where you are. *Shame* on the FCC and everyone else involved for forcing the shut down of independent stations. *Everyone* should have an alternative to watch television, no matter how low in quality it is. Imagine having no option to watch television anymore by the 1990’s unless you subscribed to the internet, which was still in its public infancy at the time. None of the kids would’ve had a clue what the heck a “TV” or “Nickelodeon” were if that was to happen. I know it’s a more drastic comparison, but still, the point is that not everyone is willing to fork out an absurd amount of additional money just to watch something. The internet by itself is expensive to keep as is, so I don’t think paying for stuff like streaming services is worth it at *all.* My parents still subscribe to one or two services at a time, but if I was them, I would just not pay for any period and look for free alternatives. It’s not like the exclusive content from each service gets dumped in some places the same day or day after they come out anyways. Yao what people might think that’s cheating, but unless there’s physical releases for said media, then I don’t think there should be a problem in downloading stuff myself. It’s the same reason why emulation is a thing for video games, because most of those games aren’t even playable anymore on modern systems. It’s not because we get paying for stuff entirely, it’s because of preservation. Why else do you think stuff like the lost media community is much bigger now than it ever has been before? Hell, even before stuff like that, restoration efforts have always been a big deal even during the late 20th century. (I say late because everything before the 1970’s was always trashed and replaced, even for popular stuff at the time since it wasn’t easy to have physical home media until then. There’s currently over 90 lost Doctor Who episodes for a comparison! I don’t care for that show a lot, but that’s a *lot,* and that’s just from a fully syndicated show!) So yeah, I don’t feel bad about simply downloading stuff off the internet anymore. It’s not like it’s an illegal thing to do anyways, and even if it was, it’s still much easier and preferable than paying for something I can have in a worse way and with the money I do not have. Needless to say, the only things I go out of my way to buy physical media for these days is video games still being made and sold, but even then it’s not exactly hard to just buy something like an SD card (For the Nintendo Switch at least) and put all the digital purchases on that either. It’s less preferable but hey, it’s another physical option technically speaking, I guess.
Damn, I really went off on a tangent there didn’t I? *Lol*
its like a part my childhood being taken away
It happened to me for 30 years now.
Your childhood is on MeTV, Grit, Antenna, Cozi, etc. Showing up better than it did when we were kids.
@@steveparadis2978 the old signal was superior.
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@@Mr.Classic91 - True
I'm into engineering of modern high-tech, but old-school is really important to understanding modern high-tech ... and where it all came from. There were many brilliant old-school ideas, as people didn't have modern computing to rely on. This actually saddens me ... similar to the many major shortwave stations that disappeared in recent years. Great channel and great treatment of this event ... thanks.
So this explains how I was able to hear a 'radio play' as a kid! I remember playing around with the radio we had in the bathroom when I was six years old and hearing a McDonald's ad and what might be Julie Kavener's voice saying "I will be your worst enemy". That probably gave me the idea later that same year to ask my mom if it's possible to listen to an ABC Family Christmas movie on the car radio as we had to leave before the movie was halfway done.
WRME-LP and KBKF-LP still broadcast on 87.7 and on ATSC 3.0
I've also heard from the local AVSForum in DC that WDCN-LP is going to try and broadcast a hybrid signal as well
At least chicago finally has an atsc 3.0 station. I know a ton will pop up soon in the fall as well. But there needs to be a way to convert av1 audio though.
@@timbo303official9 Yeah. All I need to do is find a ATSC 3.0 converter but that will take a long time and a lot of money
Comcast has had MeTV FM on channel 877 for as long as it’s been around.
You americans are lucky. Here on mexico they made a 12 month limit for low power stations on analog.
*I am very glad that I wittiness this in 2009 thanks to my parents visiting West Virginia US back then three years after I created this RUclips account.*
8:47 That's the best analog signal i've ever seen! Wish a few more of those were still around.
Thanks for including me in your video! It took a while to get the video signal, because it was so weak that I had to go to the tower to get a clear signal
Also, I'll have to update my channel banner and stuff, I made it years ago and it looks pretty bad, so hopefully it'll look better than before!
Absolutely , Giant media especially iheartMEDIA destroyed Radio, I don't don't even listen anymore. Great video!
Totally agree. Nothing is local anymore.
Me neither. I was a loyal listener of FM. Not any longer. The same songs over and over again get old
it's sad, i agree but at least in major metropolitan areas, there are still good college radio and non-profit stations. here in new york city, we are blessed with college radio wkcr, wnyu, wfmu, wfdu, wshu, wfuv plus independent/non-profit wbgo, wnyc, wqxr.
@@AntennaMan The only good stations out there these days that aren't extremely repetitive are the classic hits stations that play pretty much anything from the 70s to the 90s and early 2000s. In my area it's 92.5, 106.1, 95.7 (when in range) FM. It's good to have these around.
I count myself extremely lucky to still have independent stations in my area, AM generally seems to be less corporate
I miss analog. Back in the good old days during the 90's we all had tiny pocket sized portable color televisions which you cant find today.
There's no digital equivalent really prevalent
Almost like smart phones don’t exist huh
@@drakejohnson9567 Smartphones are distracting and unhealthy
I hope tropospheric ducting is strong on December 3 so I can possibly watch the final moments of analog tv in Canada. There’s a channel 3 station 95 miles away, a channel 6 station 109 miles away, and a channel 10 station 130 miles away. I’ve received all of these stations before. Canada still has some analog tv stations in low populated areas many broadcast at a very high power. My local community tv station switched to digital in February.
its sad that they are shutting it off in Canada. They are ones who really need it, mainly for Yukon and Nunavut where there is no cable (for the most part), and digital signals are hard to receive with all the mountains. Which brings the only option to extremely expense satellite
More pirate stations will pop out now for sure ...
that should be intresting
There was a pirate station somewhere near me that broadcasted in the 89FM range years ago that played nothing but music by the Beatles. It got attention and someone wrote about it in a newspaper and a few weeks later it died because the FCC was looking for the source. It was a bummer
I grew up around the major transition from Analog to Digital (Mid 2000s-Early 2010s) and it hurts, I used to watch stuff in my parents analog tv (like old recordings of WWF) even though I didn’t see it much since we switched to digital shortly after 2009, this still hurts.
I just realized how many retro handheld TV's are useless now
Yeah, only hobbyists will be able to use them.
Although the usefulness of a handheld analog tv died to me once high power was shut down and no longer could you get weather updates, or local news (out on the road, traveling, camping, visiting, work...)
The remainong franken FMs were not too useful TV wise. But i still don't think they should go... Not everyone lives in a super modern big city where cell data speeds are #1 priority.
I had on attached to my emergency weather radio. I guess that's useless now...
Not really, plenty of old tech will easily work with those older portable TVs.
@@madmax2069 Yeah but you're gonna need to plug in a bunch of adapters making it not very portable
@@Warp2090 you only need one and maybe a switch box
Rest in peace 🕊️
You will be missed
I would rather LogAna then be Analogged. Better Bandwidth.👍
True.
I heard a radio station on 87.7 yesterday. Couldn't tell what it was thou
Me tv fm is still broadcasting in my area on 87.7 and I just checked.
@@connorsteffan8958 could have been skip. I'm in the central Wisconsin area
It’s probably a Bluetooth adapter. A lot of them use lower FM frequencies.
@@5roundsrapid263 who knows
@@connorsteffan8958 ATSC 3.0 allows for analog sound, which is a lot better than nothing
Seeing the fluttering diamonds at 3:50 on a CRT TV on channel 6 is so cool... and a bit trippy, too!
The most interesting thing reported on the AVS Forum during the analog shutdown was that as the stations were switching off on the east coast, people were posting screen shots of how much *better* their analog reception was getting every day. People had been putting up with noisy picture quality and had no idea it had been interference from other stations the whole time until those interfering stations switched off. I saw the screen shots they posted from before the stations started shutting down and I could not believe anyone would put up with watching that mess every day.
For all of you antenna geeks out there: I rescan my over the air TV and got analog channel 2 out of Canada on 7/15/2021. I am located southeast of Rochester New York. They are still going strong. It sad that we can zero in on distant radio/TV signal anymore. I mainly deal with AM radio, but understand fully the plight of the LP TV signal seekers. Peace ✌
I like how the intro to your videos is a throwback to analog TV.
Thanks for the vid, Tyler. I did have a few videos ready, but I forgot to submit them to you! Also, you are all right to miss Analog. We just killed 80+ years of Television history, but on the bright side, the 3.0 signals will be great for OTA
Is that really you?
Gah you tricked me with that username. Anyways, isn't it so great to have RUclips?
Except, most legacy TVs can't use ATSC 3.0 without a box, which makes their tuners redundant.
@@dougbrowning82 True, those box TV's were probably outdated in the 1990s, even with digital in it's infancy. The way I see it, people who bought converter boxes in 2009 might do it again for 3.0, because it's more affordable. (A thousand dollar Samsung versus a hundred dollar box, effectively). Eventually, all the analog sets will phase out, but I'd imagine there will still be a purpose to them 10 years from now.
Analog TV is dead... long live home theatre. 🔊
Now we just wait for... PIRATE TV! 🏴☠️
It would be likely better than the garbage that TV has been for 22 years now!
Analog TV shutted down 15 years ago today.... And we don't even realize it
AnalogueTV in Australia closed long ago now. As a TV DXer I have no signals to look for now, although I sometimes see digital signals (DVB-T) from Traralgon in the east of Victoria here in the West of Victoria. Channel 3 in Australia has a sound carrier at the bottom end of the FM band. Channel 4 in the middle and channel 5 at the top, it we could hear TV sound on FM radios. I use to heat ABRV 3 Ballarat and ABLV 4 Traragon in Melbourne constantly,
This has been sitting in my watch later list for over a year and I'm glad I finally watched it
this is so sad, free tv is gone, you have to have a newer tv with digital to get anything
You can buy a TDT box which you connect to the AV port of your old tv.
You can get a converter box. Don't know if you remember this, but years ago, the US government was mailing out $40 coupons for anyone who went online to request one. I requested one of those $40 coupons, and bought a converter box at Best Buy. I was able to watch digital TV with my older analogue TV. The only reason I don't use a converter box anymore is because I have cable TV now. I don't think you'll be able to find a converter box in stores nowadays. But you should be able to buy one online.
Every tv sold since 2007 is already digital
@@ClumsyCars Yes, but some of us still use older sets! I have a Sony TV. My parents bought it as a gift for me when I was in high school. That was in 2002, by the way. It's still my main TV, I use it every day. And it's made in Japan. I don't feel the need to buy new Chinese-made junk, which for sure won't last 20+ years.
@@hamsterama i still use an older TV set because Rhythm games are impossible to play on an LCD/LED TV
Wow! I actually own one of those Atari Video Music boxes. So cool to see another one!
I have one too…lol. We’re old
I remember when they first came out.
Very interesting, here in australia analog TV transmissions began to be phased out in 2010 and completely ceased in 2013
Hard to believe this wonderful early TV standard survived this long. I think over 50years commercially? I remember as a youngster seeing a test patterns showing before the first AM show Davey and Goliath. I forget what channel?. I thinks they might have even done the Pledge of Allegiance?. Something like that I believe before Davey? Anyway analog radio and TV really changed the world. Thank you for posting the final good bye to analog. RIP...will never forget
It lasted this long because the broadcasting industry hates change. That's why it took them twenty years just to start programming in stereo.
@@scottlarson1548 Well said. Big ship hard to steer with heavy bureaucracy. Kinda like my old company Eastman Kodak.
@@frankm496 The industry didn't want to change because it was making plenty of money with blurry analog television. RCA engineers who had great ideas for improvements were given projects that management never bothered to implement in products because they would have made the sets slightly more expensive and less profitable. A lot of engineers left for companies who embraced change.
The last analog models from Zenith looked great because they had finally implemented a lot of digital processing that cleaned up the image, reduced interlacing artifacts (especially shimmering), and reduced ghosting. They had waited until these things were cheap enough to implement.
read the wikipedia, the current NTSC standard was adopted in 1953, so that's exactly 68 years of service
@@cpufreak101 Which is definitely "over 50 years".
There’s just something about analog that I just love. Everything was more simple and could be worked on fairly simply if you had the right skills
I so miss the days of analog tv, when the bi yearly skip would occur, it wasn't uncommon to receive tv stations that were several hundreds of miles away, if only for a brief time, but nonetheless still pretty cool, Liked your vid
Bi-yearly skip?
It still works for FM, and digital TV stations.
This really does suck for people who can't get.the digital tv. I feel like there should be an analog signal at least for emergency stations
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If you mean astc 3.0 then I agree. If you mean astc 1.0 then no since a tv with that capability is only $100+. Way cheaper than back in the day.
suck? there are other words
@@billmoyer3254 I know I was just being polite
End of an era.
But not for mexico
We tried a few years ago to get the FCC to extend the FM band down to 68 MH. This would double the FM band space there by giving a lot more room for local community stations and mom and pop stations. It not like we really need it with the crowed FM band we have right now and little if no room for new radio stations to be added. I have an LPFM station and have been on air for twenty years and I can tell you this would really help the FM band.
Yes, I'm sad to see analog go. And the digital transition was a joke as well as the repack. Maybe ASTC 3.0 will finally make things the way they should be.
Omg. My grandma had that Panasonic tv radio at the beginning. I remember going to here house as a kid one day, asking to watch TV, and being brought into her room and told to use that thing. I cried lol
"Analog over-the-air TV had a charm that will never be matched." Very nicely put. I grew up during the 1960s and 70s in central NJ --halfway between Philly and New York--and this was our VHF lineup on our RCA Victor B&W TV:
2--WCBS, NYC
3--some Philly station that didn't come in well
4--WNBC, NYC
5--WNEW, NYC
6--same as 3
7--WABC, NYC
8--didn't come in at all
9--WOR, NYC
10--WCAX, had same programming as CBS
11--WPIX, NYC
12--didn't come in at all
13--WNET, public TV out of Newark, NJ, often didn't come in well
Seems like we had our antenna pointed toward NYC! 🙂 When my family got a TV with a UHF receiver (channels 14-83), the only channels we could get were channel 29 (WTAF, Philly), and I believe 48, which I never watched.
Things I remember about analog TV were that the programming wasn't bunched together in such a split-second manner as it is with cable. You always had about a second or so of empty space between commercials and programming. On the back of the TVs you had Horizontal Hold and Vertical Hold knobs to adjust the picture when that was needed. Also, I remember the fact that it took the TV a few seconds to warm up, and then you had that vacuum-tube glow on the tube after you shut the TV off. ❤
These TV boxes are not that much fun either
I remember watching a number of stations shutting down their analog broadcasts and some stations, mostly cable channels, starting up for the first time.
In Chicago MeTV FM WWME 87.7FM is still broadcasting but they did shut down their signal on channel 6 last month.
They have an STA with the FCC to continue operating their analog audio signal alongside a NextGen signal so they're legal
They are broadcasting NextGen on channel 6 as I write this. I can't verify the analog FM signal as I don't have a radio that can tune down that low. But, I have watched the ATSC 3.0 channel 6 on my HDHomerun 4K
No more analog tv means no more ghosting, snowy reception, etc. I can live with that. When tv went digital I went from receiving 5 channels, a couple quite snowy, to now over 40 channels, all crystal clear.
If I get a desire to see old analog tv, I still have a few VHS tapes of old shows, and a VCR to play them on!
We didn't gain any new channels in Winnipeg when we went digital in 2011. Still the same 6 channels we had before. Two of which are marginal now. Sometimes they're there, sometimes they're not. And we can't get channel 12 from Pembina anymore. So we actually lost one channel.
Not really OTA, but in Germany we still had analog cable TV (which is much less of a luxury here than it seems to (have been) in the US?) til mid 2021 with around 35 stations. The shutdown announcement via on-screen banners came rather abruptly (only a week or two before the shutdown). Very much a shame as this was the last _easy_ way to demo and test analog equipment (TVs and VCRs mainly) without having to set up your own in-home low power transmission clusterfck. That said, OTA in itself was also a fck of many clusters. DVB-T (the equivalent to ATSC here) was pushed REALLY hard, but only a couple years after the analog OTA shutdown, private stations began to drop from DVB-T citing too high transmission costs vs. viewership, which in turn made getting a DVB-T receiver even less appealing than it already was, between reception issues and dropouts. 2019 then saw the final nail in the coffin as DVB-T (based on MPEG2 video like a DVD) was shut down and replaced by DVB-T2 based on MPEG4. And while they were at it, they also cranked the DRM knob all the way to 11 so the only stations you could receive for free were the 3 or 4 state-run ones, making DVB-T2 basically a stillborn. End of the story? OTA is dead, both analog and digital. Yay for "progress" huh?
As a young teen (LONG ago), something I loved doing in the wee overnight hours was floating the UHF tuning dial and picking up a TV station I'd never heard of, with some fair static yet viewable if you squint! I recall, too, a radio listening club in [I believe] Finland or Norway send Des Moines, IA's WHO 1040 AM radio station a cassette of their broadcast they'd picked up. Initially, WHO used a new slogan, "Coast to coast, border to border, and then some!," for some years...then the FCC said they could not use that b/c it was "deceptive." [ ??!!! ] Dudes: They *have* that tape proving the signals bounce! Y'all got nothing better to do?
From Des Moines here... they done goffed picking up WHO. Absolute trash radio station. Infect all of the radio here is trash (also I can only barley pick up WHO on my emergency radio I tinker around with sometimes how the hell did they pick it up from NORWAY)
In india also, since 2010 only digital was pushed very hard. In 7-8 years then, everyone finally shifted to digital signal. Now analog tv are dead in India.
What about the DD signals...? Missing analog signals of private channels :(
Why did the frankenFM stations need to switch frequencies when only analog TV could actually pick it up?
They didn't need to switch frequencies but they needed to shut off their analog signals
@@AntennaMan that doesn't really explain why, if digital 6 remains TV, why would they have to stop the analog low power? The repacks have been moving channels into VHF-Low, not away from them. There seems to be no plan to sell off VHF low, despite the claims in your video.
They shifted frequency because they became subchannels on the other frequency, in a digital format.
Not gonna lie, those static patterns are nightmare fuel.
you need to do a video on the people that have hijacked station air waves. max headroom for life! peace brothers from Ytown
Me tv fm is still up in Chicago. I'm so happy. Listen to it every day.
Nice!
Great documentation of the analog shut down. A piece of Americana fades into history. Thanks for all your hard work Taylor!
I'm a railfan so I imagine it's the same feeling as when they retire old trains from service and the only times you can ride them are for special excursions but it just doesn't feel the same.
I miss analog TV DXing. You knew it was going to be a great opening (and what a thrill it was) when the skip stations from 1,000 miles away started taking out and overriding your local TV stations. I remember the "floaters", that was when the skip station had the same "offset" as your local TV station and you were able to see the DX station float over your local. I remember seeing the WPBT 2 Miami "floaters" over the local WCBS 2 from New York. I miss the 10 and 20 khz offsets and the whine they made when a skip station from 1,000 miles was overtaking your 40 mile semi local station. The once familiar "lines on channel 2" would be the first indication of E-Skip on the TV bands. As the MUF would rise, the skip started to effect channels, 3 then 4 & 5. Then once it hit channel 6, the skip would be in the FM broadcast band. And the TV stations weren't just bounced around in North America, occasionally it would bounce across the pond to Europe! Like this one from WESH TV Channel 2 Orlando, FL being received in Portugal.
ruclips.net/video/zzhyzrC2xSM/видео.html
This feels like the AIM shutdown all over again.
R.I.P. analog TV/ Franken FM we will miss you dearly !!!
Norfolk, Atlanta and Denver were granted Special Temporary Authority (STA) to continue 87.7 analog as a part of ATSC3, similar to VTG's STAs in Chicago and San Jose.
Oh they got approved? If so they switched over really quick!
@@AntennaMan Yes, they did. There may be more coming as stations turn up ATSC3. You can use REC's "FCC Today" website to watch the activity. All TV channel 6 applications and actions show up there with a green background. Just watch for the file numbers that show on there beginning with "ML3-", those are license applications for ATSC3.
Also WNYZ-LP, the Korean language station in New York City filed a modification application today with a note "recommended by FCC staff" that they intend to install ATSC3 to resume FM6 operation. They also claim the station has ceased analog broadcasting. I wonder if that station is still on the air with FM6 as we speak (7/16 5:47pm ET).
@@MichelleBradley someone on the radio forums said it was off by Wednesday afternoon
@@AntennaMan The whole issue is a fluid event. The legal question that would need to be raised is whether an analog carrier as part of an ATSC3 signal violates the laws that were passed by Congress on this issue (which I believe does use the word "digital" in the codified law). When Congress writes a law, it is not always clear. The ongoing rulemaking, MB Docket 03-185 will hopefully work all of that out. What I am going to be interested in seeing is what one of these ATSC3 signals with an analog carrier looks like on a spectrum analyzer and what, if any signal is present in the spectrum between 87.8 and 88.0. I am hoping that NPR does the right thing and conduct a new study on the impact of radio stations between 88.1~91.9 and channel 6 TV stations operating in ATSC1 and ATSC3. This would allow TV stations (both full-service and LPTV/FM6) to co-exist peacefully with radio services with no or substantially reduced interference protection standards. If these ATSC3 systems are actually putting the analog carrier on 87.70 (as opposed to 87.75) that would help radio a little bit. The current interference rules on the books were written for NTSC and were written based on people having older style (mechanical) TV tuners. The radio industry does have other issues about FM6 (around consistency with rules that apply to FM but not TV)... but right now, I am only concerned about the availability of spectrum for new and modified radio stations in 88~92. If VTG's system works and it is resistant to any "interference" from 88.1~91.9 FM, then more power to them. It will be up to the FCC to make the final decisions on this.
Hey man. Thanks for sharing this, I had no idea that this had happened. I just checked 87.7 FM down here in South Florida, and it has gone silent with just static. However with 87.7 gone I did notice there is a pirate now at 87.9 playing French creole music I think. It's likely a pirate. Thanks again.
Gotta love hobbyists
After close to a century of bringing programming to the US, Its time to say goodbye to analog television. We well all miss analog and the joy it brought to the United States. Its unfair that iconic things like analog TV have to shut down becuase other companies need more service and a quick buck. But what once they say,
"That's the way it is" -Walter Cronkite.
From all of us in the United States, goodbye to analog television.
RIP Analog TV 1928-2021 Age: 93
#RIPAnalogTV
WVOA and its dancing diamonds gives me an eerie feeling, and i dont really know why or how to explain it.
I think it's really cool!
With digital, it either works or doesn't work (sometimes both but never at the same time). With analog, you got both work and doesn't work. It may have had a crackle in sound and a snowy picture but you still never got to miss a episode of Mad About You.
I used to work for cablevision in Jersey.. i remember back in '09, we had an absolute TON of jobs for CATV installs, due to the whole "broadcast is going away soon" hype.
2050: the FCC has sold all spectrum to cell phone companies so all local tv stations move to LOW VHF
why is everything chrome?
I was a little late on this. But rip to Analog forever!
WMTO in Norfolk VA had it's share of "issues". When they first came on the air, they ran a continuous loop of audio and never gave ID's. What happened was, they were reported as being a "pirate station" because they were throwing a massive signal over Norfolk, but never ID'd themselves or had any talking other than liners. When the FCC investigated, they discovered they were over power and fined them. They were on one of the tall TV towers in Suffolk, VA.
As of now, Streetz FM is broadcasting on an FM signal at 102.1 they bought(?) in Virginia Beach which doesn't even cover all of the Hampton Roads area, and the Franken FM on channel 6 seems to be gone.
I think there will be a day where ATSC 1.0 will become discontinued, but its not due for a while.
I was born in 1985 my first memory of antenna television was the ice storm of 1991 in new york I'm actually going to miss the color bars and the snow I use to go to sleep watching the bars and snow when I was little great video you have a new subscriber keep up the great work
Cool!!! Let’s start our own entertainment network on these abandoned Airwaves! Finally they good guys can create and broadcast?
Inb4 Verizon or T Mobile buys out that part of the broadcast spectrum for mobile internet
@@izzystar5904 so I’m not aloud to broadcast anything on my own/my way with what ever equipment I’d like? Does it cause a disturbance in their broadcasting/waves? LOL I’m just trying to figure all this out. 🤨
@@mrchops4099 By rights, you should be able to use any part of the radio spectrum you want, however you want. Radio is supposed to belong to the public, after all. Governments around the world set up regulations and regulators early on because they decided that the public couldn't be trusted to play nice. Now, they've learned how to sell off a public resource to private corporations, just like they've done with water in many areas. Just wait until they sell off the air we breathe to the corporations.
@@mrchops4099 If You Own A NES And A Amplifyer, It Could Actully Spread Airwaves...
Time To Broadcast Super Mario World Bootleg On The NES
@@MarioKartSuperCircuit really?!?! Cool let’s start our own network and do everything right from entertainment to the news I’m sick everybody out there being childish. The bad guys have Ruined everything. Our entertainment was everything in the country. They’ve abused it. We’ll even air older stuff that was right back when we had the best storytellers like the first Simpson episodes, in living color Saturday night live episodes when they weren’t Rub it in everybody’s face that they’re Elite/ Famous (Wayne’s World etc) in the meen time we’ll be working on and broadcasting our own shows (anybody that’s got something fun/funny on our network) there’s 3-hundred million people in the US and all we can do as far as talent is these lame ass movies/actors and TV shows with the actors explaining everything in the Dialogue? I got a feelin the Majority of the country isn’t that stupid LOL we can see what is happening in the scenes I need to have the characters explain it to me like we’re toddlers. I’m I the only one that notices any of this? Anybody watching the mainstream media? It’s past weird at this point. Are they making people famous just because they’re one of them or something? We gotta take back the airwaves 🤘🏼💯🌎
As of July 2022, there is still at least 1 station broadcasting on 87.7 FM, that being Boston Urban Radio.
5:26 watching a frequency suddenly die is almost ominous
I appreciate your efforts, and please keep this video up. This is great for posterity to watch.
Something very cool about getting free tv with an antenna, almost like being in a secret club. Too bad about this.
Thank You Tyler! Always a Fan! RIP Analog TV!
I always liked TV and FM DX 😞 since I
started my interest in MW, FM, and TV
in 1960, which led to my interest in the
Amateur Radio to this day. Thanks 😊 for
this interesting video. I remember WNYZ-
LP when living near New York City. These
low power 🔋 FM stations served a purpose,
as you said the MW and FM are pretty boring 😴 these days. They sound a lot alike from
my 60 plus years of listening to them. Ray
Those channels always had the BEST holiday themed content 🎃🦃☃️🦌🎅🎄❗You'd see Christmas episodes of bygone TV shows that you can't find on dvd,blu ray, or cable. Those channels had a vibe of warmth and family. They showcased holiday episodes from TV shows that barely made it past the pilot episode. Something truly BEAUTIFUL has been forced into retirement way too soon. 😭
I remember La Nueva in Fairfax. They used to play silent films on the tv signal over the salsa music.
I've had strange experiences of picking up radio stations on TV and TV on radio bands before. Kinda cool. My old analog TV used to get KJKJ FM 107.5 in Grand Forks, ND.
This was my 23rd birthday. Kinda weird that exactly 23 years after I came into this world would be the last analog broadcast!
13 years for me. I was born in the UK though, so the last broadcasts in our country was in Northern Island, shutting down on October 23rd 2012.
Thank you for sharing watching from Canmore Alberta Canada
Tyler, are those crossed stroking index fingers(shame on you) known outside of our location. My Mom was from Quakertown. I was the recipient of shame fingers a few times. Jerry in Hatfield
I'm from Głubczyce (polish city close to the Czech border) and I know that! so I think it's known outside of your location, but I may be wrong
@@wegrzvnxwskikacper My area has lots of Polish and German immigrants.Old customs and practices get handed down to the youngsters. Thanks, Jerry in Pa
I grew up in Michigan, and knew about that gesture. It was only used in fun. Shame shame shame!
If I had a TV manufacturing business, I’d make the interface have an “analog” mode, where it would have digital reception, but look visually like analog.
That'd be something I'd be down for!
I remember buying that weird converter box that they made every one get in 2010. Literally was useless by the time I got a new tv in 2012
Well Scott, good mornin- *static intensifies*
6:05 we gotta let you know so we had to steal... uhhh- STATIC
In San Diego channel 6 used to be Fox. I remember when we would tune the big speaker stereo to 87.7 and watch Star Trek TNG, or other Movie-the-Week. Very much a poor man’s theater sound for a CRT tv with no audio out.