Rashaad S These people change their takes from game to game. When Boston wins a game, it's the beginning of a new era. When Golden State Wins they are an experienced team that's been here before, and Golden State wins in 6 or 7 lol.
I want the warriors to win cause steph is my favorite player but the Tatum bash is annoying. This is a new stage for him. Everybody isn't killing it immediately in the finals. He's been killing it in the playoffs overall
Same, what’s being said is facts but didn’t Lebron get to the finals his 5th year and lose…proceeding to go on a run that could make him the best ever if not 2nd easy. The man is 24 but because of the early success he’s had they treat him like he’s 28, even draymond said that exact thing on the Tatum interview a few months ago and how he forgets how young Tatum is.
Unfortunately this is what sports coverage has become. If we want a plethora of sports shows and 24 hour sports networks then we'll have to deal with BS content/takes and repetitive topics which networks insist that their data reveals most viewers want to see.
@@bendy113 but Brons talent was obviously up there and his affect on the game was incredible to where u know he was a superstar he just couldn’t do anything against the Spurs and choked a little bit prolly
Victum of the moment mindset everyday on these talk shows. Everyone is the bestever or the worst ever day by day. Thats why i dont get into goat debates. Steph is the best PG of all time now? Hahaha best shooter from deep yes. But best PG ?? Nah man.
Luka is a superstar you fool. You had so much going for you taking about Tatum and then you had to throw in a guy who averaged over 30 ppg against the warriors 🤦🏻♂️
@@CG-zm4nz Tatum is a star with Superstar moments he just isn't consistant enough. I don't care that hes not taking over but hes not even meeting his season averages and that's a problem
Definition of a superstar is people who don’t follow basketball know who the f*** they are. That’s basically Lebron, Steph, KD, Harden, Giannis right now. No one else is in the conversation. Tatum and Luka?????? Get real, bruh.
It was good to see the criticism on him when he moved to Miami. They had that public coronation video as if the championship was already won when he got there.
Colin is so annoying sometimes. A few weeks ago when Celtics beat the Heat Colin said that the Celtics finally had their "Dwyane Wade". But now hes not a culture setter? Lmao
I agree, but it's the same with all sports talk shows these days because they have to make so much content to keep up with their competitors. They all talk for three hours a day, every single day, only about sports, and there just isn't that much to legitimately talk about. That's why they're always repeating themselves, contradicting themselves, putting their feet in their mouths so-to-speak. It's endless bull manure to keep us distracted while the government and bankers continue their ongoing, never-ending heist and tightening of control.
You can’t say Michael didn’t influence the way future generations play the game. Everyone was trying to be “Like Mike”. He started the era of ISO guards in the early 00’s
I didn't hear him say that MJ didn't influence future generations of ballers. Where are you getting that? He said MJ had a massive influence "beyond the game." That terminology in English means "Including the game and beyond."
MJ destoryed team basketball and he got away with it because 6 new teams were added during his career. This is why there were no great shooting guards in the 90s. R. Miller and M. Richmond were 2nd and 3rd team all-decade. Neither were good enough to make the top all-time 50 players.
@@gillysosilly9285 I agree. I personally have thought Jalen is the better of the two, he plays better defense in my opinion. I think Tatum has essentially unlimited potential but I’ve only seen sparks of that from him few and far between
At least Colin giving Steph proper respect. I would agree with Wade's comment that Steph is on Mt Rushmore. Remember, Wade was already a champion who then played with prime Lebron (on Mt Rushmore) and won more rings with him. He is putting Steph on Mt Rushmore with Lebron because he recognizes Steph is on that level.
Colin hates Tatum so much lol it’s wild. He’s been bad shooting-wise but he’s still been good on defense and been passing very well. He’s also averaged 30ppg in the playoffs so far after a loss, so we’ll see how he responds tonight
To be fair what exactly did he say that was wrong? What superstar gets away with not showing up? Not one of them… which is why he isn’t. We have people claiming the likes of Lebron and curry never showing up which is hilarious. How much more so should that apply to Tatum?
What ppl don't get about Steph winning with KD is that STEPH WAS THE WHOLE REASON KD WENT TO THE WARRIORS!!! KD wanted to go play with Steph's team because of the way Steph's team played. That is yet another way Steph helps his teams win titles...
Luka took the Dallas Mavericks to the WCF while defeating the Utah Jazz w/ Gobert and Mitchell, defeating the defending Western Conference Champion No. 1 seed Suns w/ Paul, Ayton, and Booker.. and took the Warriors to 5 games while averaging 35/8/5 with no all-star teammates on the court with him and having Brunson be the 2nd best player on the team. The “Luka isn’t a superstar” label is a joke.
@@shanebond1540 You’re right, I thought it was 6, but regardless, I still believe Luka should get some credit for his performance in the playoffs this year.
@@rhettkocher1957 His defense sucks really bad to be a "super star." Very similar to James Harden. Very good at scoring but very bad at defense, which everyone knows is crucial to winning the championship.
@@daliguj221 Not really. Stephen Curry, in earlier phase of his career, did not defend well but he has really beefed up and is now consider a very solid defender by both basketball experts and fans alike. Luka may well follow the same path as Curry in the future, but as of now, his defense is very poor. You cannot deny that and as i have emphasized before, the defense wins the championship.
damn colin you flip flop based on whoever wins the last game. after celtics won game 3 your narrative was: the celtics are bigger, stronger and more athletic. and your narrative about the warriors was that steph curry needs KD. now warriors win game 4 and its bc jason tatum is not a "superstar" and steph is a superstar
@@ethanpace7992 Big time bro, I stop watching basketball after MJ left the game, and started again when I saw Steph in the NCAA tournament. I know talent when I see it.
@@justsaynototv8366 facts like everyone always wants to talk about one mistake he had in this career like the 2016 finals but if you wanna get all knit picky, what about when Lebron struggled in 2011, but look at all those other great years both players had. We need to all appreciate this greatness while it’s here because those two players will never be replicated, simple
Colin you're wrong my Piston beat the brakes off the Laker's 2004, we didn't have a Super Star , they had two Super Star and two wasted up Stars. Right Boston has the slight edge in my opinion right now, Curry is going to have to drop 40 plus the next two games, bc Boston is hard nose, that's going to keep coming.
Good point, people act like curry can keep this pace up for every minute of the series, it’s just law of averages he’s gonna come down at some point, difference between game 1 and 4 was in game 1 they dealt with his explosion early and had time to fight back.
Colin, let’s not follow the NBA narrative. Tell the truth. The Mount Rushmore of players are George Mikan, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Magic Johnson. People forget about Mikan. He won 7 rings in 9 years along with 6 MVPs, and 6 consecutive scoring titles. If finals mvps were back dated he would have 5. He is arguably the greatest of all time. If he had not come back to play 1 season in 1956 he would have 7 rings in 7 seasons.
There’s almost nobody his age that’s went to the finals and shown out. Literally nobody besides Kobe. Give the kid some time at least he got them there
tatum isn’t shrinking, he’s clearly tired. just look at all the layups and close midrange jumpers he fluffed in both game 3 and 4. he’s taking so many threes, if he wasn’t making 40% of them, he would be having one of the worst finals series by a star and this series would probably be over. when a player is tired, the shot selection becomes really bad and that’s what’s happening to tatum and some of the other celtics right now.
It's a great take and argument for Steph Curry. I still can't put him on Rushmore. Collin has it right, it's MJ, LBJ, Magic, & Kareem. I think Steph is now making me re-evaluate my top 10 all-time list. He has to be on it and I'm struggling to take someone off it to make room. It's so hard now to just list 10, I think it's these 13 mythic players: 1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Magic 4. Kareem Abdul Jabar 5. Shaq 6. Duncan 7. Bird 8. Wilt Chamberlain 9. Steph Curry 10. Bill Russell 11. Hakeem Olajuwon 12. Kobe 13. Oscar Robinson
Steph over Hakeem Olajuwon? What are you smoking? Olajuwon was a terror defensively and equally had a great offensive game. Also Duncan moves over Shaq. Duncan based on his accomplishments should be a top 5 of all time. Am not sure why people don't talk much about him. 5 titles, 3 Finals MVP, 2 times MVP, 15 times all NBA team and over 10 times all defensive team. Right now Steph is not top 10 for me. Him not even winning a Finals MVP does not look good for him especially since Andre Iguodala won it over him. Even if he wins one, it took him 6 Finals MVP just to win one?
@@Kizamusic It's serious cause you don't see Scottie Pippen winning not even one MVP over Jordan and Pippen is a way better player than Iguodala. Just saying if you the best player on your team, a role player should not be winning MVP over you.
Boston best players are not in their primes lol. Tatum is 24 and Brown is 25. The prime doesn't usually start til around 27 and ends around 32. Colin loves to over do it lol.
Colin is the king of the hot take in the moment analysis lol. Luka stats are still better than Steph’s, Tatum’s first finals he hasn’t arrived yet but he’s proven he’s next up. Curry can get slowed he’s not some guy impervious to any defense
Curry has to be top 10 because of his singularity… there’s no kobe without MJ right? But Lebron, KD, Curry… those guys are one of a kind, you can’t ignore that, they’re just unique
I've been critical of Tatum too but this isn't fair.Everyone doesn't play well their first time on such a big stage.He is also 24 and you're treating him like he's 28/29.Steph wasn't a superstar until he was 27.
The idea that Luka isn't a Superstar is laughable and could only come from somebody that is clueless about this sport. Guy is a top 5 player in this league
As a great shooter Steph Curry if he wins his fourth title he had to be considered 10th best player in league history All of his titles came with one team .
Agree that JT isn't in that hyper elite category but Luka? C'mon man. We all seen what that dude has done in the playoffs so far in his career. He is absolutely a superstar
Yes, I forgot that he should've swept the warriors with Brunson as his 2nd best player and Powell as his starting center, Super-team in the making baby.
If Luka isn’t a superstar then you’re basically admitting you consider Steph the only superstar in the league. I didn’t see LeBron or KD or Embiid or Kawhi or Dame or AD or CP3 or Giannis in the conference finals. Warriors fans don’t get to use the word fanboy
Lmao Luka averaged 32/9/6. Yes his shooting splits weren't excellent but his performance was similar to Giannis against Boston. Not at his best but ridiculous to say he struggled and isn't anything but a Bonafide superstar
Anybody thats been watching the celtics know they’ve basically given up games… game 2 was the only legitimate win by the warriors… tatum has single handedly cost his team 1 win in the finals and a couple more in the playoffs…
Let’s stop the shrinks conversation. He is 24 years old that lead his team to the nba finals. He is in his first nba finals. Is he playing great? No but you can’t say he is playing bad. Turnovers are a bit more than you like and he took a lot of bad 2 pointers. But this speaks to his experience on a final setting for the first time. His 3p is very good, decent assists and solid defence.
In NBA a lot of that clutch is about officiating. Steph is the better player here, but remember when NBA was calling shots for Lebron lead Cavs over warriors?
Idk what it is with Tatum but he has long stretches of games where he's just a non factor. He'll be out there and you don't even notice him. He's crazy talented and definitely has his moments but why he just disappears at times as much as he does always confuses me
It's fun watching Colin cause he is the epitome of a ''moment story'' writer that don't check his facts. He was saying Steph needed another scorer with him 2 days ago, now ''he doesnt lack confidence and is shinning'''. He said ''Boston is a BAD clutch team'', and asked people to go look at the numbers - what he didnt say was that Boston had the numbers of a bad clutch team BEFORE THE TURN OF THE YEAR, when they weren't bad at the clutch, they were a bonafide BAD TEAM. Since the turn of the year, they curbstomped teams so much there wasn't even clutch moments to begin with, cuz the score was always 15 points away. How Boston won game 1? Being clutch. Being very good on the last quarter. How did they outlasted Milwaukee? Being clutch. I'm willing to bet if Celtics win this finals, Colin will be out there praising them for exactly the same things he is knocking them down.
Smh these so called analysts. JT isn’t shooting great we can all see that but if Colin is complaining about him averaging 23 8 7 then that shows u he’s a superstar. For example JT numbers are better than Jaylen Browns and ppl are calling him the Celtics mvp of the series. Also lebron is the biggest superstar and I watched him score single digits in 2 finals games in 2011. He’s still lebron
Brown imo has the been the mvp for the cs if they win he gets it But if the warroirs win it belongs 2 Steph Even tho robert williams has been the most impact full who cant stay on the court brown and Steph
That’s Lebron. I mean it’s Lebron. We knew all Lebron had to do was get his mental right and not choke as much. This is JT. JTs numbers are that high only cuz he shoots so much. And the 1st game was an outlier in his assists. Dude is obviously nervous in any pressured games or moments. And his game isn’t good enough overall so he can’t do much when he’s off. Plus he has a low bball iq which minimizes his ceiling.
@@kaekae1782 lol ok Dr basketball. So his assists and rebound numbers are high because he shoots so much lol. My point is Lebron shrunk he literally didn’t want the ball I’m a Lebron fan and during that finals I was yelling at the tv cuz at times he wasn’t even on the screen he was so far away from the play. He legit got scared that’s not what this is, JT wants the ball he’s just in a slump and most likely playing with a torn labrum. He hasn’t even attempted to dunk in this series so I think he’s really hurt.
@@roberthall1818 ur entitled to ur opinion but I’m the same breath, Tatum leads the Celtics in points and assists and is creating over 45% of the Celtics offense. Brown also has disappeared in the 4th qtr besides game 1 that’s my point. On what grounds would JB deserve the MVP. I get it JT isn’t playing to his normal standard but with that being said him underperforming is still better numbers than what JB is giving the celtics
@@callico4044 brown been way better and Tatum is haveing 2 do pg dutty since the cs lack a pg wich is why they have turn over issues the serious would be over in 4 if brown didnt play well in game 1 and 3
He has led his team to win two game 7’s this playoffs. He swept KD and his former teammate, Kyrie. Steph curry is absolutely having a great finals performance this far and is hoping to win a finals MVP. The fact that you think the Warriors are about to win in 6? Pathetic
Warriors are winning tonight! 10-1 at home everyone is going to pay better especially klay, dray, and even Jordan Poole and gp2 they will all play better tonight mark my words the dubs will blowout the Celtics by 10
Celtics haven’t lost twice in a row in months tho and they especially play well on the road. Could go either way, this series is both so close and so uncontested at the same time it’s crazy.
Crazy that this is the same defense that completely threw off kd’s game, and made giannis shoot below average. Meanwhile steph is shooting 3s more efficient than Tatum,brown, and smart are shooting all together 👨🍳
Im die hard twolves fan with Celtics being my second favorite team unless there playing lebron. Wiggins wasnt nearly as good as JT at any age but maybe 17 before anyone new how good he was really gonna be
True but those physically abilities are perfect to matchup with Tatum. Similar height and length, with Wiggins being FAR more athletic while Tatum is only a fair amount stronger.
The Dubs have three more speeds to engage. The next gear is the rest the of the offense coming alive. After that that is the execution becoming tight on both sides. The last gear is like the previous but going into overdrive. We have see this last gear for a few minutes here and there and it has been devastating. This might be because this group has only played as a unit for 20 games since 2019. This is a really good team that hasn't brushed against their ceiling. If they shift two more gears I think the Warriors win. If they play in their at their current level I think Boston wins it.
Herdman....Step has 2 Criticisms...1) Defense....teams are targeting him on Isos....these guys like a Marcus Smart are scoring against him when they want...imagine Allen Iverson on the other side of him (Dog Meat).....2) The Toronto losses in the Finals without KD and Klay...Freddie Van Vleet went basketball for basketball with him... going back to Point #1....No Defense.....He didn't win a game in those finals without those guys Much Less Beat them.....2 ^ Valid indisputable knocks on him...Also No Finals MVPs There is No Mountain with a guy and No Finals MVPs.
@@FazeParticles Gasol is a 1st Ballot HOF and has a strong Top 75 argument. He even outplayed Kobe in the Finals while Kobe was throwing up bricks in Game 7. Without Gasol, Kobe could not even get out of Round 1. Giannis has played with 0 HOF and already has 1 Title. Without another HOF Kobe couldn't get past Round 1 LOL. In addition, give me any Kobe Season of your choice and I will show a superior Giannis season. What Kobe season do you want to compare? 2005? 2007? A different one?
@@jasonjanisewski78 i don't judge players all time greatness based off of their one best season. Once KD makes an all defense team 12 times and all NBA first Team 11 Times while leading a team to two chips as the best player let me know. Giannis has a chance to get there but he needs to have the same or similar longevity to what Kobe had. He's way too young to be compared to him
As a long time celts fan from the dreaded rick pitino quick era, very fair assessment I questioned how Tatum would respond when Steph become super Steph and he’s responding like I thought he would start chucking shots and shrink, jaylen is stepping up like I thought he would but this is why I’ve been hesitant for a few years to believe in Tatum as a superstar he’s a bit to inconsistent for my taste but I hope he proves me wrong I really do. If “everybody got a plan until they get punched in the mouth” was a person it would be steph curry plan all you want but he have the defense scrambled as soon as he cross half court.
Colin has come too his senses but don't forget he was drinking the Tatum Kool aid too. He said he would take Tatum right after Giannis, and Luka to start a franchise. Stop pumpin guys up too early
Kind harse but I get it even though I disagree. He's still relatively young and I believe just about to enter his prime. If he keeps working hard he'll get to superstar status.
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Please educate skip bayless on steph
Colin my guy but he completely changed his take from the other day . He literally said GS wouldn’t win another game 😂😂😂😂😂
Rashaad S These people change their takes from game to game. When Boston wins a game, it's the beginning of a new era. When Golden State Wins they are an experienced team that's been here before, and Golden State wins in 6 or 7 lol.
At least he's not bashing Curry, in fact, he's the only one who's only really given Steph his props (shannon too)
Now Curry is the best player... gets ready to destroy him when they lose the finals and Golden boy disappear as always!! 🤷🏻♀️
@@latinaforever4892 a comment which was posted 5 hours ago and it has already aged horrifically.
I want the warriors to win cause steph is my favorite player but the Tatum bash is annoying. This is a new stage for him. Everybody isn't killing it immediately in the finals. He's been killing it in the playoffs overall
Same, what’s being said is facts but didn’t Lebron get to the finals his 5th year and lose…proceeding to go on a run that could make him the best ever if not 2nd easy. The man is 24 but because of the early success he’s had they treat him like he’s 28, even draymond said that exact thing on the Tatum interview a few months ago and how he forgets how young Tatum is.
Unfortunately this is what sports coverage has become. If we want a plethora of sports shows and 24 hour sports networks then we'll have to deal with BS content/takes and repetitive topics which networks insist that their data reveals most viewers want to see.
@@bendy113 but Brons talent was obviously up there and his affect on the game was incredible to where u know he was a superstar he just couldn’t do anything against the Spurs and choked a little bit prolly
He doesn’t have it tho
Victum of the moment mindset everyday on these talk shows. Everyone is the bestever or the worst ever day by day. Thats why i dont get into goat debates. Steph is the best PG of all time now? Hahaha best shooter from deep yes. But best PG ?? Nah man.
I get worried when Colin picks the warriors to win because it means the Celtics are 99% more likely to win
Luka is a superstar you fool. You had so much going for you taking about Tatum and then you had to throw in a guy who averaged over 30 ppg against the warriors 🤦🏻♂️
exactly
Yeah Luka is a superstar. Some of Colin's NBA takes are pretty crazy.
Luka CAN be a superstar, he's not one yet. Imo
Bruh most of those 30 ppg came in garbage time when the game was already over. Warriors weren’t worried bout Luka at all
Luka had the best performances of the playoffs IMO . Dude barley missed , shooting from the logo and all
No reasonable person would say Luka isn't a superstar
I'm a huge Jason Tatum fan but if he was good as Luka tonight would be a close out game for the C's
@@CG-zm4nz Tatum is a star with Superstar moments he just isn't consistant enough. I don't care that hes not taking over but hes not even meeting his season averages and that's a problem
Luka is a offense superstar
Definition of a superstar is people who don’t follow basketball know who the f*** they are. That’s basically Lebron, Steph, KD, Harden, Giannis right now. No one else is in the conversation. Tatum and Luka?????? Get real, bruh.
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Thats not my definition of a superstar. Its about what you do on the court not how good your marketing team its.
I'm just stoked that two mostly "home grown" teams are in the finals. I hope days of "super teams" are over.
I doubt it cuz of that LeBum guy
It was good to see the criticism on him when he moved to Miami. They had that public coronation video as if the championship was already won when he got there.
Colin is so annoying sometimes. A few weeks ago when Celtics beat the Heat Colin said that the Celtics finally had their "Dwyane Wade". But now hes not a culture setter? Lmao
This is the only sport you have your reputation change on a daily basis.
I agree, but it's the same with all sports talk shows these days because they have to make so much content to keep up with their competitors. They all talk for three hours a day, every single day, only about sports, and there just isn't that much to legitimately talk about. That's why they're always repeating themselves, contradicting themselves, putting their feet in their mouths so-to-speak. It's endless bull manure to keep us distracted while the government and bankers continue their ongoing, never-ending heist and tightening of control.
@@brushstroke3733 it makes me happy to see this comment.. please continue trying to inform/educate ppl on what is happening beneath our noses
You can’t say Michael didn’t influence the way future generations play the game. Everyone was trying to be “Like Mike”. He started the era of ISO guards in the early 00’s
I didn't hear him say that MJ didn't influence future generations of ballers. Where are you getting that?
He said MJ had a massive influence "beyond the game." That terminology in English means "Including the game and beyond."
MJ destoryed team basketball and he got away with it because 6 new teams were added during his career. This is why there were no great shooting guards in the 90s. R. Miller and M. Richmond were 2nd and 3rd team all-decade. Neither were good enough to make the top all-time 50 players.
ISO guards are the worse.
@@trevanhatch8717 7:18 “mj didnt even do that”
Colin was calling Jayson the next big thing no less than two weeks ago
Steph won’t let the warriors lose twice in their backyard! Yes whoever wins tonight takes the cake!
As a Warriors fan, all I have to do is go back to 2016 to remember losing twice at home in the finals.
@@andrewlunt7557 This ain’t 2016, bruh.
@@kieransoregaard-utt8 I sure hope not. These Warriors are much older, Boston's defense is better than Cleveland's and this isn't 2016 Klay.
I agree Colin, I’ve always felt that the claim of superstar for JT was highly premature. I don’t see it at all.
Exactly, and in my opinion Jaylen just as good and talented
@@gillysosilly9285 I agree. I personally have thought Jalen is the better of the two, he plays better defense in my opinion. I think Tatum has essentially unlimited potential but I’ve only seen sparks of that from him few and far between
I feel more comfortable when brown has the ball Tatum I feel like a turnover is coming
Tatums been to more conference finals and now finals then the majority of “superstars” in the leauge. But sure it’s “premature”
I think he has the talent to be but man he disappears way too much. I think it’s all mental at this point
At least Colin giving Steph proper respect.
I would agree with Wade's comment that Steph is on Mt Rushmore.
Remember, Wade was already a champion who then played with prime Lebron (on Mt Rushmore) and won more rings with him. He is putting Steph on Mt Rushmore with Lebron because he recognizes Steph is on that level.
Wait did he just say Luka wasn't a super star? The guy that outplayed Steph Curry on a worse team?
I wouldn’t put Luka and Tatum in the same category, I believe Luka is a superstar
Colin hates Tatum so much lol it’s wild. He’s been bad shooting-wise but he’s still been good on defense and been passing very well. He’s also averaged 30ppg in the playoffs so far after a loss, so we’ll see how he responds tonight
To be fair what exactly did he say that was wrong? What superstar gets away with not showing up? Not one of them… which is why he isn’t. We have people claiming the likes of Lebron and curry never showing up which is hilarious. How much more so should that apply to Tatum?
After the game tonight, was Colin right? Or was he right?
@@codywilson7009 Tatum was 27/10/4 and shot 50%. If you think the loss was on him you’re dumb af 😂😂😂
Colin always switch game by game, and have all these NEVERs and ALWAYS stats that he switches when that same speaks big of loses.
Sorry, Russell and Wilt were great, but they dominated at a time when the league had less than 10 teams, and many players were playing part time.
What ppl don't get about Steph winning with KD is that STEPH WAS THE WHOLE REASON KD WENT TO THE WARRIORS!!! KD wanted to go play with Steph's team because of the way Steph's team played. That is yet another way Steph helps his teams win titles...
Luka took the Dallas Mavericks to the WCF while defeating the Utah Jazz w/ Gobert and Mitchell, defeating the defending Western Conference Champion No. 1 seed Suns w/ Paul, Ayton, and Booker.. and took the Warriors to 5 games while averaging 35/8/5 with no all-star teammates on the court with him and having Brunson be the 2nd best player on the team. The “Luka isn’t a superstar” label is a joke.
Luka didn't take GSW to 6 games, da series ended 4-1
@@shanebond1540 You’re right, I thought it was 6, but regardless, I still believe Luka should get some credit for his performance in the playoffs this year.
@@rhettkocher1957 His defense sucks really bad to be a "super star." Very similar to James Harden. Very good at scoring but very bad at defense, which everyone knows is crucial to winning the championship.
@@topstorekorea you could say the same thing about Stephs defense. Or Damian Lillard’s
@@daliguj221 Not really. Stephen Curry, in earlier phase of his career, did not defend well but he has really beefed up and is now consider a very solid defender by both basketball experts and fans alike. Luka may well follow the same path as Curry in the future, but as of now, his defense is very poor. You cannot deny that and as i have emphasized before, the defense wins the championship.
damn colin you flip flop based on whoever wins the last game. after celtics won game 3 your narrative was: the celtics are bigger, stronger and more athletic. and your narrative about the warriors was that steph curry needs KD. now warriors win game 4 and its bc jason tatum is not a "superstar" and steph is a superstar
I didn’t know second in the league in defensive efficiency was bad. The Warriors have been a good to great defensive team in all of their finals runs
No player before Steph or coming after Steph will be able to do what he had done.
Finally someone who appreciates him
@@ethanpace7992 Big time bro, I stop watching basketball after MJ left the game, and started again when I saw Steph in the NCAA tournament. I know talent when I see it.
AMEN brother
@@justsaynototv8366 facts like everyone always wants to talk about one mistake he had in this career like the 2016 finals but if you wanna get all knit picky, what about when Lebron struggled in 2011, but look at all those other great years both players had. We need to all appreciate this greatness while it’s here because those two players will never be replicated, simple
@@poppadad8507 The people who watch Basketball knows what is happening.
As a Warrior fan my Top 5 playoff performers this year
1.Luka
2.Steph
3.Jimmy
4. JA
5. Greek Freak
Tatum looks God awfully
Yet Tatum beat 2 of the guys on ur list🤣🤣jimmy & Greek freak choked this season
I think Boston gonna lay an egg tonight, warriors win big!! Just my opinion.
agreed.
Colin you're wrong my Piston beat the brakes off the Laker's 2004, we didn't have a Super Star , they had two Super Star and two wasted up Stars. Right Boston has the slight edge in my opinion right now, Curry is going to have to drop 40 plus the next two games, bc Boston is hard nose, that's going to keep coming.
Good point, people act like curry can keep this pace up for every minute of the series, it’s just law of averages he’s gonna come down at some point, difference between game 1 and 4 was in game 1 they dealt with his explosion early and had time to fight back.
Colin, let’s not follow the NBA narrative. Tell the truth. The Mount Rushmore of players are George Mikan, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Magic Johnson. People forget about Mikan. He won 7 rings in 9 years along with 6 MVPs, and 6 consecutive scoring titles. If finals mvps were back dated he would have 5. He is arguably the greatest of all time. If he had not come back to play 1 season in 1956 he would have 7 rings in 7 seasons.
I don’t get the Steph Curry critics either…. Dude changed the whole game in regards to how we view 3s.
There’s almost nobody his age that’s went to the finals and shown out. Literally nobody besides Kobe. Give the kid some time at least he got them there
BTW, Bird ain’t no Rush-less.
tatum isn’t shrinking, he’s clearly tired. just look at all the layups and close midrange jumpers he fluffed in both game 3 and 4. he’s taking so many threes, if he wasn’t making 40% of them, he would be having one of the worst finals series by a star and this series would probably be over. when a player is tired, the shot selection becomes really bad and that’s what’s happening to tatum and some of the other celtics right now.
No excuse… it ain’t like their playing back to back games they’re getting three days off in between, unlike the Finals back in the day
nobody tryna hear that. He's 24
It's a great take and argument for Steph Curry. I still can't put him on Rushmore. Collin has it right, it's MJ, LBJ, Magic, & Kareem. I think Steph is now making me re-evaluate my top 10 all-time list. He has to be on it and I'm struggling to take someone off it to make room. It's so hard now to just list 10, I think it's these 13 mythic players:
1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Magic
4. Kareem Abdul Jabar
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Bird
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Steph Curry
10. Bill Russell
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Kobe
13. Oscar Robinson
That's a good list, I would move LeBron down. Like Wilt, he will retire with all the stats. And like Wilt, not a closer.
Nah this list trash.
Steph over Hakeem Olajuwon? What are you smoking? Olajuwon was a terror defensively and equally had a great offensive game. Also Duncan moves over Shaq. Duncan based on his accomplishments should be a top 5 of all time. Am not sure why people don't talk much about him. 5 titles, 3 Finals MVP, 2 times MVP, 15 times all NBA team and over 10 times all defensive team. Right now Steph is not top 10 for me. Him not even winning a Finals MVP does not look good for him especially since Andre Iguodala won it over him. Even if he wins one, it took him 6 Finals MVP just to win one?
@@cobi2502 the fact that Iggy won fmvp over Steph is a joke. And some how people like you take it seriously.
@@Kizamusic It's serious cause you don't see Scottie Pippen winning not even one MVP over Jordan and Pippen is a way better player than Iguodala. Just saying if you the best player on your team, a role player should not be winning MVP over you.
Boston best players are not in their primes lol. Tatum is 24 and Brown is 25. The prime doesn't usually start til around 27 and ends around 32. Colin loves to over do it lol.
All of this "he's on because he's the best shooter ever". Was the previous best shooter ever on? Ray Allan, Reggie Millar, etc.?
Colin is the king of the hot take in the moment analysis lol. Luka stats are still better than Steph’s, Tatum’s first finals he hasn’t arrived yet but he’s proven he’s next up. Curry can get slowed he’s not some guy impervious to any defense
I agree with you on this Colin: I don’t get the Steph haters. Willfully not seeing him , I guess.
Jordan's style effect on the game:
Baggy Shorts
Wrist Band on Bicep
Shaved Head
Tongue
LOL
Baggy shorts didn't start with Jordan
Love you Colin but no way you just said “Tatum is starting to feel like Andrew Wiggins.” And I’m a warriors fan..
Curry has to be top 10 because of his singularity… there’s no kobe without MJ right? But Lebron, KD, Curry… those guys are one of a kind, you can’t ignore that, they’re just unique
Unique does not mean better. A lot of unique idiots out there.
All time insane take on Steph and tatum as well as superstars in general
I've been critical of Tatum too but this isn't fair.Everyone doesn't play well their first time on such a big stage.He is also 24 and you're treating him like he's 28/29.Steph wasn't a superstar until he was 27.
The idea that Luka isn't a Superstar is laughable and could only come from somebody that is clueless about this sport. Guy is a top 5 player in this league
Luka > Tatum. We can all agree on that, right?
As a great shooter Steph Curry if he wins his fourth title he had to be considered 10th best player in league history All of his titles came with one team .
Tatum has superstar potential and he shows flashes. But if he’s saying Luka isn’t a superstar then Tatum definitely isn’t.
Agree that JT isn't in that hyper elite category but Luka? C'mon man. We all seen what that dude has done in the playoffs so far in his career. He is absolutely a superstar
Boston needs a better performing point gaurd. That would take pressure off of Tatum.
Luka fan boys gonna be like "Hurrrrrr 35 ppg" without realizing he was held where he needed to for the dubs to win
Yes, I forgot that he should've swept the warriors with Brunson as his 2nd best player and Powell as his starting center, Super-team in the making baby.
Averaging more than curry in the finals with worst team at 23 , HURRRRRRR
@@richardwilliams7374 I'm sorry, I forgot, Luka carried them to a loss your right, much better than steph
@@darthrex6267 What was steph doing at 23? Fixing his ankles?
If Luka isn’t a superstar then you’re basically admitting you consider Steph the only superstar in the league. I didn’t see LeBron or KD or Embiid or Kawhi or Dame or AD or CP3 or Giannis in the conference finals. Warriors fans don’t get to use the word fanboy
Luka is a superstar. Cmon now
Putting Steph over Duncan rn is ridiculous
Tomorrow he will say something different lol 😆
Lmao Luka averaged 32/9/6. Yes his shooting splits weren't excellent but his performance was similar to Giannis against Boston. Not at his best but ridiculous to say he struggled and isn't anything but a Bonafide superstar
Anybody thats been watching the celtics know they’ve basically given up games… game 2 was the only legitimate win by the warriors… tatum has single handedly cost his team 1 win in the finals and a couple more in the playoffs…
Let’s stop the shrinks conversation. He is 24 years old that lead his team to the nba finals. He is in his first nba finals. Is he playing great? No but you can’t say he is playing bad. Turnovers are a bit more than you like and he took a lot of bad 2 pointers. But this speaks to his experience on a final setting for the first time. His 3p is very good, decent assists and solid defence.
You speak as if you didn't say the same thing about Curry who has NEVER looked this bad
When Celtic played a very good game, they lost to GSW. They lost not because they were lousy.
When GSW played an awful game, they lost to the Celtic
I have a odd feeling Curry will drop another 40 piece to seal the deal..
Tatum this series he had to show how he has progressed as a player but Celtics need him to score more points to bear golden State warriors
Once again, we see another NBA Finals game getting terrible tv ratings (game 4) .... When does football start?
Tatum Wiggins comparison is such a bad take
This is the guy that said the warriors wouldn’t win another game literally on Friday
In NBA a lot of that clutch is about officiating.
Steph is the better player here, but remember when NBA was calling shots for Lebron lead Cavs over warriors?
The Celtics are clearly the better team in the series, but Steph Curry is a nuclear weapon
Win or lose. Boston blows EVERY lead.
Idk what it is with Tatum but he has long stretches of games where he's just a non factor. He'll be out there and you don't even notice him. He's crazy talented and definitely has his moments but why he just disappears at times as much as he does always confuses me
It's fun watching Colin cause he is the epitome of a ''moment story'' writer that don't check his facts. He was saying Steph needed another scorer with him 2 days ago, now ''he doesnt lack confidence and is shinning'''.
He said ''Boston is a BAD clutch team'', and asked people to go look at the numbers - what he didnt say was that Boston had the numbers of a bad clutch team BEFORE THE TURN OF THE YEAR, when they weren't bad at the clutch, they were a bonafide BAD TEAM. Since the turn of the year, they curbstomped teams so much there wasn't even clutch moments to begin with, cuz the score was always 15 points away. How Boston won game 1? Being clutch. Being very good on the last quarter. How did they outlasted Milwaukee? Being clutch.
I'm willing to bet if Celtics win this finals, Colin will be out there praising them for exactly the same things he is knocking them down.
Smh these so called analysts. JT isn’t shooting great we can all see that but if Colin is complaining about him averaging 23 8 7 then that shows u he’s a superstar. For example JT numbers are better than Jaylen Browns and ppl are calling him the Celtics mvp of the series. Also lebron is the biggest superstar and I watched him score single digits in 2 finals games in 2011. He’s still lebron
Brown imo has the been the mvp for the cs if they win he gets it
But if the warroirs win it belongs 2 Steph
Even tho robert williams has been the most impact full who cant stay on the court brown and Steph
That’s Lebron. I mean it’s Lebron. We knew all Lebron had to do was get his mental right and not choke as much. This is JT. JTs numbers are that high only cuz he shoots so much. And the 1st game was an outlier in his assists. Dude is obviously nervous in any pressured games or moments. And his game isn’t good enough overall so he can’t do much when he’s off. Plus he has a low bball iq which minimizes his ceiling.
@@kaekae1782 lol ok Dr basketball. So his assists and rebound numbers are high because he shoots so much lol. My point is Lebron shrunk he literally didn’t want the ball I’m a Lebron fan and during that finals I was yelling at the tv cuz at times he wasn’t even on the screen he was so far away from the play. He legit got scared that’s not what this is, JT wants the ball he’s just in a slump and most likely playing with a torn labrum. He hasn’t even attempted to dunk in this series so I think he’s really hurt.
@@roberthall1818 ur entitled to ur opinion but I’m the same breath, Tatum leads the Celtics in points and assists and is creating over 45% of the Celtics offense. Brown also has disappeared in the 4th qtr besides game 1 that’s my point. On what grounds would JB deserve the MVP. I get it JT isn’t playing to his normal standard but with that being said him underperforming is still better numbers than what JB is giving the celtics
@@callico4044 brown been way better and Tatum is haveing 2 do pg dutty since the cs lack a pg wich is why they have turn over issues the serious would be over in 4 if brown didnt play well in game 1 and 3
Idk how he leaves Timmy D off the mount Rushmore PT. 2 listing 😂🤣
colin I KNOW you did not just say Luka Doncic isn't a superstar
The Tim Duncan slander must stop
Duke players have never become superstars. They shrink in great moments.
Disagree with all this Rushmore bullcrap!!
We have been saying this for some time. Only media has been trying to make tatum a superstar so they have something to talk about.
Bird, superstar of all superstars
He has led his team to win two game 7’s this playoffs. He swept KD and his former teammate, Kyrie. Steph curry is absolutely having a great finals performance this far and is hoping to win a finals MVP. The fact that you think the Warriors are about to win in 6? Pathetic
You are the epitome of the Bay Area, absolute fool
Warriors are winning tonight! 10-1 at home everyone is going to pay better especially klay, dray, and even Jordan Poole and gp2 they will all play better tonight mark my words the dubs will blowout the Celtics by 10
Celtics haven’t lost twice in a row in months tho and they especially play well on the road. Could go either way, this series is both so close and so uncontested at the same time it’s crazy.
You can’t have two guys from the same team on Mt. Rushmore. Terrible take.
Celtics missing a natural leader not a appointed leader
Crazy that this is the same defense that completely threw off kd’s game, and made giannis shoot below average. Meanwhile steph is shooting 3s more efficient than Tatum,brown, and smart are shooting all together 👨🍳
Im die hard twolves fan with Celtics being my second favorite team unless there playing lebron. Wiggins wasnt nearly as good as JT at any age but maybe 17 before anyone new how good he was really gonna be
True but those physically abilities are perfect to matchup with Tatum. Similar height and length, with Wiggins being FAR more athletic while Tatum is only a fair amount stronger.
ON POINT TERRY
Nailed this take.
Colin the Warriors defenses is ranked 2 . There"s not much difference between 1 and 2. Don"t act like the Warriors are ranked 10th in the NBA.
The Dubs have three more speeds to engage. The next gear is the rest the of the offense coming alive. After that that is the execution becoming tight on both sides. The last gear is like the previous but going into overdrive. We have see this last gear for a few minutes here and there and it has been devastating. This might be because this group has only played as a unit for 20 games since 2019. This is a really good team that hasn't brushed against their ceiling. If they shift two more gears I think the Warriors win. If they play in their at their current level I think Boston wins it.
Spot on like usual
This aged well
Herdman....Step has 2 Criticisms...1) Defense....teams are targeting him on Isos....these guys like a Marcus Smart are scoring against him when they want...imagine Allen Iverson on the other side of him (Dog Meat).....2) The Toronto losses in the Finals without KD and Klay...Freddie Van Vleet went basketball for basketball with him... going back to Point #1....No Defense.....He didn't win a game in those finals without those guys Much Less Beat them.....2 ^ Valid indisputable knocks on him...Also No Finals MVPs There is No Mountain with a guy and No Finals MVPs.
Steph did not win before KD. They wouldve been swept in 2015 had Kyrie and K love not been injured.
Shaq is the best center of all time. Period
how can magic and kareem
both be on there. together they only won 5 shouldve been 4. bird got his on his own and almost tied them for rings.
Bird is underrated, certainly much, much more clutch than LeBron.
LOL Kobe on Colin's 2nd Rushmore. There is 0 argument for him over Duncan. Shaq, Hakeem, Durant, and Giannis are all greater too
KD and Giannis over Kobe is a ludicrous take
Kobe won twice without a top 75 player on his team. That puts him above all the players you just mentioned
@@FazeParticles Gasol is a 1st Ballot HOF and has a strong Top 75 argument. He even outplayed Kobe in the Finals while Kobe was throwing up bricks in Game 7. Without Gasol, Kobe could not even get out of Round 1. Giannis has played with 0 HOF and already has 1 Title. Without another HOF Kobe couldn't get past Round 1 LOL. In addition, give me any Kobe Season of your choice and I will show a superior Giannis season. What Kobe season do you want to compare? 2005? 2007? A different one?
@@Orangejulius4414 Give me any Kobe Season of your choice and I will show a superior Giannis and KD season.
@@jasonjanisewski78 i don't judge players all time greatness based off of their one best season. Once KD makes an all defense team 12 times and all NBA first Team 11 Times while leading a team to two chips as the best player let me know. Giannis has a chance to get there but he needs to have the same or similar longevity to what Kobe had. He's way too young to be compared to him
That's just your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it doesn't mean that you are correct.
As a long time celts fan from the dreaded rick pitino quick era, very fair assessment I questioned how Tatum would respond when Steph become super Steph and he’s responding like I thought he would start chucking shots and shrink, jaylen is stepping up like I thought he would but this is why I’ve been hesitant for a few years to believe in Tatum as a superstar he’s a bit to inconsistent for my taste but I hope he proves me wrong I really do. If “everybody got a plan until they get punched in the mouth” was a person it would be steph curry plan all you want but he have the defense scrambled as soon as he cross half court.
Mt. A-Little-Less-Than More. Brilliant analysis, Colin.
He forgot Shaq played center
Why does your Mt Rushmore have to be a little less , why not a bigger mountain ?
This is exactly what happens before a star just goes off in a game.
Colin has come too his senses but don't forget he was drinking the Tatum Kool aid too. He said he would take Tatum right after Giannis, and Luka to start a franchise. Stop pumpin guys up too early
Kind harse but I get it even though I disagree. He's still relatively young and I believe just about to enter his prime. If he keeps working hard he'll get to superstar status.
Sustain superstar status
Now if tatum closes out the series with 30 or 40 over these next 2 games we’ll be calling him a superstar 😂