Lost in Translation - What's the Point of a Doomed Romance? | Video Essay
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In our fourth video on Doomed Romance in movies, we take a look at Bob and Charlotte's relationship. Our past videos examined couples that broke up because of internal reasons but this one is because of external ones. Bob and Charlotte's romance is only meant to be a beautiful but momentary one.
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What other Doomed Romance should we talk about next? (Blue Valentine is on the top of the list)
Bladerunner or Her would be my suggestions. Lost in translation was my top pick though, so thank you!
@@alechall7082 they did Her in part 2 already tho
@@bichiAllen i hadn't finished the video when i typed that. Also, Bladerunner 2049 would be a better choice than the original now that i think about it
@@alechall7082 oh sorry, I thought you were in one of the countries is restricted and it doesn't show. As for Bladerunner 2049, I agree and it'd be interesting to see
Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind edit: seen you've done this already
Sometimes an emotional affair is more intimate than a physical one. The two characters in this wonderful film share a need that goes beyond a sexual need. That's why this film is so affecting. Utterly moving and a modern masterpiece.
I wouldn´t call it "emotional affair", both were just really good friends, that happned to be married. And yeah, this is a masterpiece.
Under Bridge it was an emotional affair😐
Gary 65 usually it is way more intimate. you’re sharing details of your significant others
If you think about, Bob and Charlotte did share a bed. Funnily, Lost in Translation shows Bob and Charlotte's bed scene where they just talk to each other. Yet they skip the scene where Bob slept with the bar singer. Kinds telling which one is more intimate
Absolutely. In the end, it’s the emotional space we’re trying to fill...even with sex.
I always thought part of the point of this movie was to show that being understood is something only happens in fleeting moments. Sometimes when traveling alone, we're allowed to be somebody else with the people we meet, and sometimes we're allowed to be who we truly are, and say things we'd never say in our 'real' lives.
Under those conditions of absolute honesty, then intimacy can be built in a very short time.
i disagree... Your truth changes depending on perspective; meaning that what the other person thinks as valuble and true is different to yours. You are not just losing some meaning on the language barrier but also on the actual meaning of the words and actions themselves, for you value different things as an individual compared to others. That is why people with the same interest and hobbies often times become more intimate. Sadly due to the level of difference in their commitment to their values and worldview it could potentially cause them to fall apart. Or optimistically grow closer to each other.
*under conditions of absolute honesty, real deep intimacy can be built
Yes. Only with strangers can we truly be ourselves. For they are still listening to _not telling you_ who you are...
God damn if this doesn't resonate...
being understood is something that only happens in fleeting moments - watched this movie tens of times, and as someone quite connected to the concept of being understood, I never thought of it from that pow, I will be spending more time on the idea. Such a movie this is, it is so rich that there is always something new to grasp or seize, every single time. One special piece of art.
It's interesting that scarlett johansson plays the female character in both films, as part of the doomed romance.
Sofia Coppola and Spike Jonze were married too
@Miko xmas you mean bromance
shes very good or method at portraying females that jump head first into doomed relationships.
after leaving tokyo, scarlette johansons character was in an accident that left her brain dead and in a coma. her photographer husband had made some contacts and was offered an experimental treatment for her. they would hook her up to a supercomputer to download her her personality and being into an ai program. thats a few years before her. took that long to work the bugs out. one of the people she was cheating on joaquin with was bill murray's character from lost in translation.
@@jebes909090 epic. just that little short was better than half or more of the garbage thats being released in theaters now a days...
waiting for the next chapter in which lost in translation, Her and Lucy or Ghost in the shell somehow have continuity with each other.
Japan is the perfect setting for a movie like this. Especially if you’re not familiar with the language or culture, it can be overwhelming.
Especially after it got hit by an atomic bomb
True
@boganus699 I know. Your comment was so stupid that I am wasting my time answering you😹😹😹
@TinyTinTeeth What was dumb.
@TinyTinTeeth Your pimple.
i never felt it was a romance, it was a relationship that doesn't really fit into the ideals or rules that people have set for their own. They're more than just friends and they are intimate but idk it feels like a relationship i haven't seen before
It's such a weird feeling to pinpoint.. I have a friend who has never really been "just a friend" to me. We have always understood each other on a very intimate level, and I have never experienced it with anyone else. I can't determine if it's a romance or something different; It keeps me up at night more than I'd like to admit...
swantonist I agree! I never saw it as romantic either, but more just RAW human connection.
swantonist I’ve shared this with someone once... I wish it wasn’t a far off distant memory now, one that comes back to me all too often, paining me, the pings of what I should have tried harder to keep, what I should have tried to evolve, what I failed to say out loud... the painful reminder of the brevity of things in life, the short term we share connections... my ultimate failure to seize something - something wholly unique and something I will never get another chance to... or maybe something that still will occur, it’s been a while since I last talked to them though, and it doesn’t seem like they are willing to anymore. In the end though, what I really truly learned from this experience is that: it doesn’t matter, it’s not the end of the world, and it’s not important what’s going to happen, only that it did. There are plenty more beautiful wonderful things and people to experience, and they will come along in time, I have no doubt, so for now I must enjoy this time in my life, this time where I feel desolate and alone, because I also feel free and Unbinded to anyone or anything, I belong solely to myself... and that is a thing which is just as fleeting and valuable.
yes.
@The Elder just rewatched this part for you and I don't really see it. that wince is ... something, but is it regret that this might be the last time he sees her? She doesn't really seem to "decline" they're both just standing and looking at each other and around the evelator to me
its just two people, recognizing something familiar in the other
I agree, I commented something similar
This hit home way too hard.
Yeah, but it sucks.
glad to see this comment cuz I never thought of Lost in Translation as a romance
the film made that so clear, too
Yes...
Damn that relationship between Lost in Translation and Her blew my mind
Seriously, it's just incredible
Totally. Both are tied as my favorite romance movies, though I suppose I would give it to LiT if I had to decide.
both have scarlet johansen in it too
Pull out king nice name
Same cinematographer shot both movies too. Lance acord
A doomed romance portrays the harsh reality that is life
This, this right here.
so deep bro
And it's another oppertunity for something
I found you
mitsuteka
I used to hate all the movies with doomed romance. I didn't get why people would like to watch a movie that spent the majority of time bringing people together and then right in the end they would not be together. However, after dealing with a divorce, I can totally understand the point. I think I will reawatch all of those, and see how I can connect to them now.
I am sorry for you, it must hurt
@@gogaschnitzel3222 it does. It hurts by hell. But one of the thing Ive learn is that humans are extremely resilient. Even though it hurts, I'll making through it.
I didn't do anything to anyone there...... Not a single thing they somehow hurt me
@@rhausagi You'll make it through. Good luck with everything. Someday you'll find a happy ending.
💛
this movie still haunts me. I remember seeing this so many years ago. It breaks your heart without even trying. No heavy drama, no overly acted scenes. it's the small things in this movie that are so powerful. We know these guys aren't going to end up together but somehow that is not important. Like this analysis says its the temporary aspect of their time together. These are the kind of characters that exist in real life. I guarantee this situation has happened between two people many times. I think it ultimately reminds me of the the temporality of all things. This kind of person if you ever met you would never forget about... you would think about finding them again but probably ultimately wouldn't try to.... when Scarlett's character says that line "Let's never come back here again b/c it won't be as fun" I think she is literally speaking about life itself in that to live once is what makes life vital and exciting...not to "do it over again someday" This movie is a low key masterpiece.
uneedtherapy42 I cry at the end when they hug every single time 😭
@@pimmiemarayat5428 When he whispers, I honestly just can't hold it in anymore :(
This was a really good write-up. Totally agree. This film is incredibly underrated. It’s a masterpiece.
@@vlaxatron I learned what he said to her at the end. Spoiler Alert!
"I have to go now, but I'm not leaving YOU."
Source from watching a Swedish release of this movie.
I like to think he told her “When you get back to the states look me up.”
@@corbysimpson9146
I JUST went through this scenario with someone who I now consider a friend of mine. I knew circumstances would never truly allow us to be a fulfilling relationship, but the escape from everyday loneliness has left me feeling better in the long run. It still hurts, but I can't deny how much the experience has affected me for the better, and now I really know what I want in a relationship.
Aye aye Captain. Same here.
true!
Yes. Exactly this. I had this situation with a much younger girl (I live in Tokyo). It was doomed from the start and it hurt quite a bit when it ended but life goes and we can reflect back on these things in a positive manner.
Hugs
The Before Trilogy (Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Before Midnight)
Yeah I would love to do that one!
Screened please please 🙏
That movie wasn't doomed romance
@@hadiputraw8083 The first two movies had a ticking clock, with them living in different countries, and the last one is a long, slow argument amount whether to stay together or break up.
I love this series. More specifically: Julie Delpy.
"The more you know who you are and what you want, the less you let things upset you."
Anyone who’s ever had a “doomed romance” knows how much it hurts. Lost in Translation got it perfectly that feeling of like I know this is brief but rare and beautiful.
Incredible video essay. Seriously, you just have me a while new appreciation for this film
I'm glad you liked it 👍
I totally agree, I've watched it in awe...
Its been deciphered and Bill Murray basically told her at then end to be who she is and she'll be ok.
@@Aaron607 That's actually kinda wild I never thought about it that way lol
Just gave me a whole new
"it's about people trying to connect and having difficulty to do so. That's a very mature perspektive in a failed relationship."
The phone call with her friend is one of the saddest scenes in the film. Most of us have been there. Wanting to reach out for help but constantly being ignored and glossed over. To the point where you have no choice but to break down.
That being said, I've always thought LiT and HER were great companion pieces. I remember watching both of these films when they came out on their original release dates and felt so close to both movies. Both films I watched by myself in a theater and both films made me cry by the end of it.
Like the friends that keep you on the phone for hours with their problems but then have no time to hear about yours. I could relate to that scene.
i want him to make a video essay about my life even though the biggest thing ive done this week was multiple bowls of cereal
I'll never forget my share of this life spectrum. We met in Bulgaria right before she had to leave for Germany. And everything was as you described it-hour long convos, a sence of belonging(isk if that's correct),understanding. She brought a different kind of peace to my world and I belive I'll never really get to move on from what could've been. And by saying that-I want to thank you for taking your time to think and discuss these unortrodox themes, made me feel understood, even on a ground level.
This was amazing, thank you. I adore "Her", but i never realized the connection it has to "Lost in Translation". I'm sure watching them side by side now is gonna reveal something new in both.
“Nothing’s gonna hurt you baby”
EXACTLY. That song is synonymous with this movie.
@nabokov orbust ruclips.net/video/k4V3Mo61fJM/видео.html
@nabokov orbust you need to find happiness alone. then you'll have the ability to share that with someone who understands.
@nabokov orbust i can't relate to people like you at all Lol what I will say is you won't get anything you're looking for in someone else.
Like Frank Sinatra said, “That’s Life”
That's what people say.
*gunshot*
Some people get their kicks... stompin' on a dream.
Riding high in April, shot down in May.
My guy , you get what you fucking deserve
What I found interesting is how they chose Japan as the setting. Just like the cherry blossoms, one of the defining features of Japan, the relationship between the two leads are ephemeral and beautiful, with the transient nature of the relationship only serving to highlight its beauty, just like how cherry blossoms also flower and die in a short season. I think that another way of reading the movie is that everything in life is seasonal, as is the characters' indecision and stuckness in life (winter) but this then gives way to rejuvenation and growth (spring) upon meeting each other. Each season cannot last forever, but in the short window of their blooming time, they create something beautiful and worthy in their relationship.
damn straight
mono no aware
You put into words what I recall getting out of the film at the time, but would likely have failed to verbalize for others. Thanks!
Glad you liked it 👍
"Lost In Translation" is one of my favorite movies.
Ich bin traurig nicht wutend
Traurig ueber es ist egal was man macht auch nett gemeint man wurde abgesxhlachtet
It was a fantastic movie.
Same here man. And I'm always going to be a little bit in love with Charlotte I guess.
It's definitely my favourite movie of all time. I went to Japan (and specifically Tokyo) with my first ever girlfriend on our first ever trip overseas together and we had our fair share of issues during it, but when the times were good they were magical. This movie always reaches straight into my soul and pulls out that exact string of nostalgia that hits the deepest. Strangely it doesn't make me feel sad or happy, just that heavy contemplative middle ground of bittersweet.
Oh and that soundtrack turned me into a total shoegaze fan. Can't get enough noisy guitars!!
I've been waiting for the Lost in Translation episode of "What's the Point of a Doomed Romance?" since day one. This series was MADE for Lost in Translation.
One of my all time favourite films, great work on the essay
Thanks 👍
Oh wow. I was literally in this exact situation. I got a job on a cruise ship on the other side of the world and the first couple of months was one of the loneliest times of my life. Then I met this girl and we instantly became friends. Before long she was staying in my cabin with me. We would spend literally every moment together. We worked together and we slept together and did it all again day after day for what seemed like forever. But it wasn't forever. Pretty soon it was time for her to go back home. And I knew that day was coming but I wasn't ready for it at all when it finally came. Even though the end was extremely hard I don't regret any of it. Some of the best memories of my life are from the time.
Man... didn't exchange numbers, email, or something????
That intro hit me.. man I miss her.
Watch the rest of the series...the video essay on 500 days of summer really tripped me up.
Head up king, your crown is falling.
Been through this. Twice in fact. Both times it hurt like hell but I'm still here. Doing well. You'll be doing well too. Give it time...
Does she miss you?
Simp
So many romance films fall flat because they focus on what the couple wants. It's centered around passionate gestures and incindiary, impulse-driven spurs of the moment. A radio above the head, a passionate kiss in the rain, and storming into a wedding at the last moment to stop the bride-to-be from marrying the wrong man. But Lost in Translation doesn't focus on what each other wants: it focuses on what each other *needs.* And what our two characters need, above all else, is companionship. It's absolutely a love story, and you might even be able to walk away with the impression that it's a "romance," but I think the relationship of our two characters defies such a simple categorization.
They're not "in love" with one another so much for what they can provide sexually, or as a means of pleasure to one another; rather, their love is thoroughly grounded in finding the beauty of another's soul. It's the warmth of finding a kindred spirit in a cold sea of strangers. Bob and Charlotte are lighthouses for one another.
Forever one of my favorite films and an exemplary depiction of love in its most serene, pure, and spiritual form.
Sofia Coppola knocked it out of the *park* with this one.
One of my all time favorite movies ever. The cinematography, the city back drop, aesthetic, sounds, soundTRACK, melancholic, relatable, just over all well made and beautiful.
Into The Void damn right. I am pleasantly surprised that you like cowboy bebop too
same here - one of my all-time favorite movies ever - if I am pushed enough, may even be the one! this is a highly special piece of art ❤
She’s a top-tier director. You. Any pace a movie like this unless you’re very, very good.
A doomed romance comes at times when we are open and vulnerable, when we don't know what to expect from a situation. That makes it clearer to realize what we need and want from a new person. Somehow it is easier to find connection when you don't have to attach expectations of a future together, so you just enjoy the moment to its fullest.
Everything in this film feels eerily realistic and close to home. It's not the sort of sadness that makes you bawl your eyes out but rather makes you sink in your own silence. Incredible video essay. You're brilliant!
I’ve never known of something more beautiful or artistic than two filmmakers breaking up and making movies about it from either side
Beautiful insights and interpretation. So true how 'doomed' romances can be necessary pieces of the puzzle in our emotional / psychological lives. Not everything has to consolidate into a formal relationship or end in 'together forever' to have been deeply transformational and a vital part of our emotional experiences. It has taken me a long time to recognize how important it is to give yourself to the moment and the intimacy of the connection, even if you know it cannot be sustained. There are many inner processes and emotions that can be mobilized and unlocked in allowing such a vulnerability. And it is also a way to honor life in the present moment, knowing such moments can never come back, regardless of the outcome.
"She is unsure of what she is supposed to do in life" haha ... this... I'm at this point of my life.. ッ
semay buket existential dread is the worst, huh?
It is. Indeed it is. But I think, It’s a stage.. It will end eventually.
semay buket Just break your mirror as early as possible then the way will find you.
@@kocerarif You first.
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I love seeing this story and how it's not about cheating on your partner or sexual at all. It's simply just about being human and looking for a place in life... and a friend. It's a great showcase that not all close relationships have to be sexual. That's something I've found to be quite prevalent today.
not sexual at all? they kiss?
He would have slept with her in a heartbeat lol
@@xGaLoSx No it’s hinted many times that this could’ve taken place if either one had made a move, think the lying in bed turning close to each other scene. but there is restraint, there is carefulness, there is mutual respect, not pure physical attraction.
@@VanoArts There are many ways to interpret more than sexually. The kiss felt more like an exchange of raw human connection. Like a mutual stamp of how impactful their time together has been on one another. Their bond exists beyond either just a romantic or sexual fling.
BINGO! Not a romance.
"They were spontaneous and adventurous while also being attentive to the other's insecurities and needs" - that is living 101, but is also so hard to do at the same time.
Why is Scarlett Johansson so good at portraying women you can hold so close but be so far away from at the same time?
And it’s interesting that Scojo is also in the movie Her
Cause she was born a dude
Because she portrays the girl next door who understands you, while also being the most physically desirable woman in the world. The Marilyn Monroe template of beauty works in nearly all cultures.
This movie is in my top movies of all time (probably no. 1) and everything I thought about it is what you convey in this video. I'm glad someone else understands the movie the way I do. Kudos!
It also resonates with me hugely as this is similar to how my wife and I met. We knew of each other prior but met randomly during Sonisphere festival in the UK. We didn't know either of us were going and the very first day, early afternoon we bumped into each other at the bar (a festival with roughly 100,000 people and dozens of bars). We spent the whole festival together and just hit it off; we had the absolute best time but couldn't take it further as we were both in unhappy relationships and at different times in our lives. 4 years later we reconnected on Tinder. I had not long broken up with the relationship I was in during the festival and i came across my wife about 2 minutes into my first session on the app, swiped right and we went on our first date a few days later. We are now happily married with 2 children.
That festival was my Lost in Translation...
such a lovely real-life story ❤ This is probably my no 1 movie ever, too, who am I kidding, there is no probably there! I watch it between 10 to 20 times a year 😬
I think, from now on, I will be remembering your story whenever I watch it =)
@@balahatun haha yeah I watch it about the same amount every year; literally can't get enough and I notice and realise new, little details every time. I'm also now completely obsessed with Tokyo and if I ever go will HAVE TO stay at the Park Hyatt hotel lol.
Aww that's lovely and I appreciate you saying that 😊 I just hope my story doesn't distract you too much during the movie 😂
This is probably the best video I have ever seen on RUclips on my favourite ever film. Thank you!
Glad you liked it 👍
"A doomed romance can at first feel like an unfortunate obstacle in life,but once it's over, it can become an essential steppingstone on the way to moving on." my heart hurts in a good way
2 years later and what you said is still true. Hope all is well friend.
@@TrueArcBaron everything gets better with each year for me, thanks friend 💜
This film is something special. Seen it many many times. There's something really addicting and comforting about the melancholic atmosphere of the film. There's something very relatable about two lost souls meeting each other, connecting, and liking each other without the need to end up together. I didn't really love any of Sofia Coppola's other films, but she really hit it out of the park with this one. It's definitely one of my top 3 favorite romantic movies, along with Before Sunrise and Blue Is the Warmest Color.
This movie always hits home with me because I met a female friend whilst traveling in Europe who became a very special friend to me and shared a very strong bond with. Similar circumstances.. we both were in relationships… both of us were American in a foreign land, didn’t really speak the language well.. though we connected so strongly on an emotional plane . It was just that calm peaceful feeling that even without words exchanged, felt like we were so comfortable and comforted by each others company. It’s been 20+ years since our adventures together in Europe.. but I still think about her to this day. Not even a feeling of longing to be with her.. or to see her again, though it would be nice. But more of a feeling of gratitude that I met and was able to spend time with someone who taught me a lot about myself and my perspective on things in life. I think because of the things I learned from her.. I came out a better person and someone who is more at peace with himself and the way I view the world and treat others.
This video helped me find “more than this” after 3 years. Thank you.
Movies like this make me realize that I’ll always be alone.
@@UserJL4455 Even if you found love, eventually as the time goes by you'll be left alone or feel lonely.
I had a relationship 16 years ago, lasted for few months but burned me for the rest of my life, and yes... if I could, I would relieve it each time knowing fully well it won't last forever...
I didn't see this first time round. Didn't hear any reviews, it was off my radar and it's a movie I'd never have picked to watch back then anyway. I decided to watch it the other month because it was on a list of the top 100 movies of the last decade, and so I downloaded it. As a 40 year old guy, I think that - had my younger self watched this when it came out - I wouldn't have gotten everything from it that I did. One of the best movies I've seen in a long time. What they managed to do on screen is very, very rare. And it raised my opinion of Scarlett by a few million miles, as an actress. An essential watch but, if you're young now, give it some time. Put it in your diary to watch when you're a grown up, settled into middle age and on the cusp of maturity, but not old enough to have forgotten what it was like to be young.
I also found the way their different kinds of frustration and loneliness were portrayed interesting.
To me it felt like he was always surrounded by too many people, it was too loud, too hysterical, too much. His loneliness came from being among too many people that he didn't connect with at all (see all the commercial scenes).
With her it felt the other way around. She was lonely because there was no one there. Her husband went off to work or turned his attention away from her, the person on the phone didn't care.
The scenes with the biggest contrast were the pool scenes to me. When he was in there, they had the aqua sports stuff, it was loud and busy.
When she was in there, it was night and quiet and she just dove into the silence.
They both come from completely different situations, stages in life and from different kinds of loneliness but the feeling and understanding is mutual.
Beautiful movie, thanks for your analysis and the insight on the Her parallels, that's amazing!
Great insight!
I have watched this movie half a dozen times and never caught that. Brilliant catch!
great insight!
I consider Lost in translation, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, and her as my love trilogy. Spotless mind, written by Kaufman who wrote adaptation and being John malkavich( both directed but spoke jonze) is also about a doomed relationship .
You just explained two of my favourite films that made me pursue a career in filmmaking and my ending relationship better than I ever could. Sometimes we all need that fleeting moment to bring us back to what our values are. Thank you for this video ❤️
I'm glad you liked it 👍
I know the feeling. I’ve been through such similar moments. They’re so bittersweet. Idk why people say there is a lot of sexual tension… in the moments, you’re not in that mood at all. You just want to lay forever & be okay together. Not alone but the warmth of connection & cuddles and such. That scene where they’re in bed, & he comforts her & himself by feeling her foot. That feels a billion times more intimate & full of feeling than a sexual encounter.
The dubbed Spanish Latin version of the movie, when Bob whispers clearly you can hear: "quiero que sepas que jamás voy a olvidarme de todo esto, ¿de acuerdo?... Nunca te olvidare"... That translates to: "I want you to know that I will never forget all of this, ok?... I will never forget you".
Obviously this was incorrect based on the digitally processed original audio that says: "I have to be leaving... But, I won't let that come between us, ok?" That's Bill Murray saying it, not Bob, because that line was never on the script, so in my opinion the spanish version line sounds more realistic according to the character. I just can't imagine Bob in the future chasing Charlotte and cheating his wife. To me this was more like a 'never see you again goodbye' than a 'see you in the future goodbye'. A really accepted doomed romance from Bob.
That is an interesting bit of information 👍
I understand the meaning of both versions as exactly the same message. Bob has no way of contacting her once they say goodbye, so to me, saying "I will never forget you" and "I won't let that come between us", mean the same thing, ie, she's always going to be in his heart, no matter what, and nothing, nobody, and no physical distance can take that away from them.
Don't deconstruct this moment, don't probe, don't explore... just savor the mystery and relish how exquisitely transcendent this moment is. It is one of the greatest emotional climaxes in cinema history. Out of an astonishing depth of respect & compassion for the characters and their sad, rich relationship, Sofia actually gives them their PRIVACY for these their final words together. When I first saw this I was astonished, literally speechless, not only at the level of respect & compassion (for FICTIONAL characters!) but also how Sofia understands that NOT knowing what Bob whispered makes the film a hundred times richer than dialogue could convey, for - as Einstein said - "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious". Brilliantly prepped, and brilliantly conveyed, a transcendence like this is rarely achieved in ANY medium... and thus is truly Art.
2:36 This actress was phenomenal in this scene. "Lip my stockings!"
Can I just say I'm amazed? I found your channel a few hours ago, watched all your doomed romance essays, then wished there were more... And you fricken just uploaded one??? I feel so lucky
I stumbled upon this movie after my month long doomed romance concluded.
The relatable experience I had may be why I resonate so much with this film. Reflecting on this film now, it has helped me cope with the fact that I'll never see her again
I always saw their relationships as smth beyond romance. The most touching is how they connect with tenderness and respect, how their souls meet and heal each other... it’s like finding your soulmate who understand you deeply with no extra words needed and then you feel not alone
It was about the little bit of freedom and innocent fun they both needed in their lives.
They are not soulmates. They are situation mates.
@@carlahaiduk1878 the situation matters indeed but not everyone will find connection within the same situation
I love this film for introducing me to one of my favorite bands: The Jesus and Mary Chain. Also, kato kato kato kato kato!
I showed this movie to my boyfriend when we first started dating and he loved it. We still watch it regularly and I realized he was really moved by it. We have a similar age difference to the couple here and while we were both single when we met and started dating, he was convinced the age difference and his having kids and an ex had us doomed. I sometimes see him getting teary when they go their separate ways, and now I know he felt as strongly as he did because he was worried that would happen to us. It's a great story that makes you feel both conflicted and completely empathetic. It is messy just like real life.
I took part in such a relationship. It killed me when it ended.
To mourn the loss of love that never was is one the most human things you can do.
It's a pain and longing that never goes away.
@@fennyellis3366 beautifully said
5 Centimeters per Second, and In The Mood For Love.
i was supposed to say that haha!
I first saw 5 centimeters per second 10 years ago and till this day it still haunts me. So underrated.
I have to say, though, that while i liked the anime, the manga to 5 Centimeters per Second is much better; it extends the world in a way that makes the ending more satisfying.
Yes, In the mood for love !
@@cultivatepod I found the manga a little too simulative of the movie though. Every frame drawn was the same. I recommend reading the novel "One more side", it offers the perspective of the other characters and expands very neatly on the narrative of the movie.
I'm not gonna lie, I bawled my eyes out while watching this.
I regularly come back and watch this video. It perfectly outlines such an incredible film
whelp, i'm gonna use this video as inspiration in the near future. i'm gonna start working with movie producers soon and there isn't that many good movies (if there is any at all) where i'm from and i'm hoping to change that alittle or atleast inspire people from my hometown.
I wish you the best in your projects 👍
There is something so beautiful about this kind of intense, pure and temporary connection - in my experience it will stay in your heart
Happened to me a few years ago, still miss the girl deeply. we met in college, i never felt such a deep, visceral, primal connection with someone, it really felt like we knew each other for a long time and I've never felt that comfortable around someone ( at least it felt like that to me, truth is i will never know her side of the story). She had a boyfriend so by respect i never tried anything while ignoring sign of possible flirtation on her side. And she did seem happy with him. For reasons i will always regret not telling her.
this movie is a glorious piece of art, I simply feel lucky to have access to this movie, and your essay makes justice to it. kudos.
watching and talking about it for years, I can honestly say that this movie's true fans are almost like an undercover club, it takes a certain heart and intellect to feel and resonate with this movie in your soul.
I’ve been in this situation myself, it was heaven and hell at the same time.
They started spending time together because they were the only ones who understood each other. In the end, their hearts broke, because they’re the only ones who understand each other.
"What's the Point of a Doomed Romance?" Uhh, calling that pointless would probably be like calling 98% of my adult life as pointless.
"Have you ever met someone with whom you connected instantly? ... An effortless kinship - but one that's not meant to last" - Yes, four times so far.
The first time I saw this movie I felt nothing, I actually thought it was boring. But then I saw it again after I was more mature and was so lost and didn’t know what to do with my life, career, etc. So this brought a whole new perspective. I love this film. And it’s okay to feel lost, it’s normal. Things happen for a reason and then you are in that place to be able to find yourself at some point. LOVEEED THIS VIDEO. Thank you
i wasn't expect to much of this one, but after I watched i had this feeling that there's something behind the line right there, something that I was missing (like their experience), like this movies was talking a message through his signs - and I'm not getting - glad to had find your video, help me appreciate even more Sofia and her work, your analysis is pointful and deep, and by itself has a qualitiy not fairly seen on youtube critics, thank you
Thank you 👍
Easily my favorite film ever. It has such a great 'feel' to it.
These type relationships work because they are temporary and both parties know it, perhaps subconsciously, but they know it. Long term we all know the flaws will begin to appear and slowly eat away at was once perfection.
It's my favourite movie man. I was crying at the ending.
Honestly,one of the most beautiful movies,left me with such heartwarming feelings. It shows how two people who doesn't fit they isolate themselves but they are looking for pure connection,they find each other and their chemistry is undeniable.Throughout the movie,their eyes speak with no words but with so many feelings. Their story ends in realistic way,because this is the life,they share something beautiful but they don't end up together. I guess this is how it always goes,this is something you can't have just a glimpse of it.
this is so good! I watched this movie back to back with Her. You should definitely do In the Mood for Love and 5 second centimeter or Garden Of words!
Blue Valentine, made me cry like a baby.
I think the point of a doomed romance is that it is fleeting. Even if its a brief connection, it is a beautiful distraction in this rather dull and mundane life. It hurts so good you know, it will teach how to cherish so you can move on life and stuff. I know this because this is so me. ☺️
Just went thru this I'm a student from Europe and I had a relationship with someone from the USA of course now she goes back and we both go our ways yet even though it hurts I'm happy we got to do it in the end they are beautiful memories and indeed a stepping stone for our future relationships
Keep uploading, you beautiful bastard.
Sure will!
Why do I connect almost literally with all of your doomed romance videos ... I connected so much with your last doomed romance video that it was the thing that first made me meet the girl that I connected so much with .. heck we even talked about your videos together .... now im watching this ... why is the world so big yet so small .... bittersweet moments like this is what life is all about
Really liked your review of the movie. As a sidenote that completely sidesteps the point of your review or the movie, I just wanted to say something about the concept of foreignness and how other countries and cultures can induce a sense of foreignness and isolation. Of course, if you don't know the language things are bound to create a wall between you and other people, but this is also a world where cultures meet, collaborate and intermingle in interesting ways. I love how the movie creates a wall between the characters and the outside world, but sometimes I wonder what if we didn't think that way. What if when we visit or live in other countries (or even when we conceptualize these countries in our minds) we only saw others as humans just like we see them in the countries that we live in or belong to. As someone who moved to Boston from Pakistan for two years, I felt this feeling of foreignness in quite a lot of interesting ways, and I always wonder if we could all handle it differently, that if we create less walls when we see (or engage with) other people who look different than us, then perhaps we would all be a little less lost in translation. Especially in a world like ours where we have countless opportunities to move beyond our own cultural languages and the somewhat isolated mindscapes that these languages create. Anyway, liked your review, this long comment was triggered by the somewhat isolationist tones induced by the review, and I felt like I had to write it down (at the risk of going completely tangential :D).
I didn't understand the message at the end of the movie, I felt it as it got lost in translation.
To answer your initial question, "would you enter a relationship knowing it's not going to last?", my answer would be "Yes, three times in fact."
learning from our experiences, about ourselfs, and being gratefull for them, and grateful to ourselfs for having the courage to reach out and connect trully with someone... That's what we get from a "doomed" romance
I didn't realise that for Spike Jonze's film "Her" and for Sophia Coppola's film "Lost in Translation", the main actress in both films is Scarlett Johanson. If Jonze and Coppola both got inspiration from their failed relationship for these films, it is a nice touch to know that ScarJo is portraying it both. As if she too is part of it.
So true. Great observation.
I love this film so much. I can watch it over and over again.
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This video saved my life. As I'm struggling to get by after a "doomed r" for some years.
So be it, sometimes you won't be able to stay with that.person, or.even keep their in your life as friends.
That's life, a quiet breath. Once it's gone, it's gone. As she says in the hotel room "never come here again, cause it won't be so much as fun."
Had I known more about the story, I would never have missed this movie when it came out . In March of 1989, I was in Tokyo shooting a TV commercial and met someone. It’s exactly as you describe. Suddenly there are two worlds operating simultaneously, Tokyo itself, and another world , also an island, with two
inhabitants. I don’t think either world was more “real” than the other, and the most striking difference between them was in the movement of time, which dramatically slowed when we were together.
I was aware that our time was “on the clock” but when we were together, I was at peace with time. Your video suggests this movie tells my story, and your insights into it are beautiful and accurate. Thanks
ONE OF THE BEST FILM EVER NO DOUBT
I remember having a deep depression after having a relationship with another while living in another country end. We met, flew to each other, and then without talking things ended. And then he found someone else the minute i returned home for good. The movie was so surreal. I never understood it at the time, but enjoyed watching it anyway. Mainly for its location: Tokyo.
Overtime, I took it as people experiencing life crises finding a connection. Right person, wrong time. Or othet things. It was a great gem Netflix recommended it on a happenstance.
On my last watch thru last year, I recall one of their last nights together watching Fellini's La Dolce Vita, specifically, the scene when Marcello and the movie stat waded into the fountain. The ethereal, dream like vibe of that scene emulated the whole film, especially when the dawn comes. Given La Dolce Vita is my favorite film, I understood immediately when i picked up on it.
One of my favorite videos about your channel is about the doomed romance.. I love it.. Thank you for doing it.. Tho I do have one request for you to make an analysis video about HBO's The Night Of by Richard Price and Steven Zillian.. I'm huge fan if his.. I hope you make it.. Love from the dark side.. :)
What happens in Tokyo, stays in Tokyo. Really great breakdown, Sir!
Being in my early fifties now and viewing the film from a new perspective. Something has to be said about, being at an age where the experience of a spontaneous falling-in-love encounter and connection, will probably never happen again. The movie hits home more now than when I first saw it at age 31. Feeling the intense grief of an encounter that you've left in the past never to be repeated. Lost to time and circumstance.
You people make us fall in love with Movies more and more.
Thank you!
That's what we're here for👍
I love this movie. It reminds me of the relationships ive had while travelling when i was in my 20s. I wish i could do it all over again.
This is a fantastic video and helped me realize so many things about the movie and myself! Thank you!! Excellent job
This video makes me cry so much. I know exactly what this is ... I recently found a note I wrote to myself on December 14th 2014 explaining how sad I was and didn’t want to be here anymore and kill myself and start another life... at the end I wrote “I just need a bright new soul to come into my life” as fate would have it a week later someone came into my life that changed the course of it forever ♾ we were so wrapped up in each others love instantly..he saved me from the place I was at and showed me what it was like to truly live and be free. It didn’t last because of outer circumstances...We still keep in touch but he’s away at the moment. I will always love him for what he did for me. So if you ever read this Connor I love you more than you will ever know and thank you.
Why can't you see him. Is it a temporary absence, will he come back to you?
Great essay of a great movie. Only flaw is that this is opposite of a doomed romance. This was the perfect romance. I love how you allow us to linger on that smile of Bob's face as he walked away. What a great beat to end the video.