Is the 357 Magnum The Best Carbine Cartridge ? ? ?
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- Is the .357 Magnum The Best Carbine Cartridge? Join us as we we wring out the Winchester '92/.357 combo to see how it fares. Is it the best? The gel will tell :-)
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Glad I stayed to the end. Blessings and Amen.
Blessings to you as well. I'm really surprised how many have watched that last segment. I thought it would be a small handful :-)
It never occurred to me that cows could be relaxed by hearing "How great Thou art."
Amen
Ditto
Que belo rifle Winchester obrigado pelo vídeo são poucos mostrando essa clássica marca
I am now 80yrs. I have been saying for the last 40yrs the versatility of the 357 mag Lever action Carbine. Had a Winchester 357 mod 94 40yrs ago and always swore by it, much to the dismay of "So-called gun experts" who said I was full of it. Well, now I know I was right about it being an excellent brush gun. Enough said. Happy Camper...
I've had a 94 22 for ~40 years. Nothing more accurate and solid in 22. Now searching for 357 in a 94. Yeah, I'm old school as well!
The first elk I ever shot with my Rossi Puma .357 was standing facing at an angle to me at about 50 yards. I shot the elk in the neck on the left side and when butchering it I found the bullet lodged against the shoulder blade on its right side. That bullet traveled at least 25 inches through that elk. It was just a 158 grain semi-wadcutter. That .357 became known as "the pet".
I would venture to say that only a cast bullet from a 357 Magnum would penetrate that far in an elk. I'm glad the story had a happy ending😉
@@TargetSuite No a cast bullet cannot be fired at the kind of velocity I use, even with a good hard cast they cause to much leading and to be any heavier they require to much space that could be used for powder.
@@russellkeeling4387 boo lit fitment and good lube or coated is needed in rifle barrel for cast. I learned this the hard way !
@@russellkeeling4387so if it wasn’t a cast semi-wadcutter, what was it? I’ve only ever seen cast semi-wadcutters. Are you sure you didn’t mean to say semi-jacketed soft point?
@@leifhoklin2681 It was a jacketed semi wad cutter 158 grain. I still have the bullet.
I was a bit surprised by the power of the 357 for hunting deer. I asked a guy behind the counter what he thought and he said that he had brought down many a deer with the 357. Bought a Rossi 375 and my grandson took down two deer with it and they didn’t go 10 yards before they fell over. Very impressed. Good video. God Bless
Thanks! God bless you as well.
Have a friend took a 300 pound plus black bear with a 357 Readhawk.
Back in the day there were articles stating the .357 was overkill for black bear, now people need the latest high powered 30 caliber rifle round to take out a little old whitetail, shows you how much we have stopped putting emphasis on skill rather than gear
I read an article, it said was about the man who is responsible for the .357. and it stated he used it to bring down moose
What ammo do you use for deer?
I have had a 16" Rossi for years, it is one of my top five favorite guns. Took my largest deer with it, and it makes a great defense gun also. Fine ending.
I borrowed a Rossi R92 from a friend of mine and featured it in a video. My experience with it was similar to what you described. Thanks for watching!
I have the same rossi. It is my favorite also and unbelievably accurate.
And it's great for small game with .38 Specials, and almost silent with SINGLE FED .38 target wadcutters, which kill small game instantly without destroying meat. Mine is the most versatile gun I own, which is why it goes with when I'm just knockin' around, not hunting anything in particular--which kinda means I'm hunting anything legal.
How far was your deer kill?
357 Magnum makes a great companion rifle/carbine. A few years back I picked up an H&R Handi-rifle in 357 Mag at first for teaching kids to progress from 22 LR to centerfire. I fell in love with that little carbine. Plinking with 38 wadcutters/round nose and up to 357 Magnum 125 JHP or 158 SWC - versatile and relaxing to pop a few rounds. 357 is great.
Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment. By the way I sure wish someone would start making that handi-rifle again!
I have the NEF in 3006 it's a fine rifle
Good hog gun as well!!
It's even better if it feeds/functions with .38 Specials. Winchester/Miroku is nutz.
I have a handi rifle in 30/30. Love those single shot rifles😊
.357/.38 is widely available and comparably cheap.
Great Performance.
Works well in pistols and carbines.
I have a Win 1873 complimented by a Ruger GP100 and if I only ever owned two guns in my life these would be it!
Its so accurate out of a 12" Contender using 158grs & 296 handloads for about 1500 fps. This Cartridge is so under rated. Beautiful Rifle, Sir.
Thank you!
G'day from Australia!
I have owned and shot .357 magnum revolvers and my Rossi '92. I think that it is the best overall carbine cartridge due to it's versatility, not necessarily as a hunting rifle, but as a pistol/carbine combination. Especially if the carbine can load and shoot 38's. For hunting purposes, you can load 38's down to hunt rabbits and then shoot 357's loaded for deer out of the same rifle. My current .357 revolver is a Pietta SAA and is so much fun to shoot, I can't stop smiling when I get home from the range! Same goes for the Rossi (after some 'refining').
I don't have much experience with 44's. I have shot them (pistol and carbine) but not that much. For reasonably close hunting (especially pigs) the 44 definitely has better ballistics. You do see some Aussies using 44's (occasionally) but most tend to use the 30-30, shotgun or a rifle calibre. Eg. 270, 308 etc. Or all of the above... :)
The downside to 44's are the cost and availability of ammunition. Plus. In Australia, our laws do not allow us to own a pistol for self defence or hunting (with some exceptions in our northern states). ** Please don't get me started on that topic... we'll be typing for a year! ** Also, we have calibre restrictions here with pistols for sports shooting. Ie. 38/9mm. Again there are exceptions for specific pistol matches, but most people don't bother. So as a 'combination' carbine cartridge, the 357 is fantastic.
Most of the pig hunting I do is within 100m. As you know, the difficulty with boars (especially older ones) is the plates. For feral dogs, small pigs and most deer I use an almost identical XTP load. But. If I'm hunting for big boars, I use hard cast 180gn loads similar to the one in your tests. And they have dropped all the pigs I've shot with them, no problems.
Incidentally, the feral deer we have are mostly the smaller variety. Fallow, Chital, Indian Hog. The largest we get are the Sambar, Red. I think we also have Rusa, just not where I am though. Our various state governments class them as a 'game animal' and have to be shot on permit etc. Which is completely stupid. Deer are not native to Australia. The reason we have them, is that some decades ago, a number of farmers thought they would make their fortune with deer farms. Instead they went bust, which is sad. But instead of putting the animals down, they opened the gates and them 'go free!'
Now we have a feral deer problem that is causing sheep and cattle graziers an enormous headache. Our government knows they are a feral pest, but makes money off the permits and other malarkey.
Anyway, enough of my rambling. Great video. Look forward to the next one.
Cheers.
Dan
Thanks Dan I appreciate your rambling comment. It's good to get insight in a different shooting culture. Good day to you sir!
Dan, Do you know what happened to Steve Lee? He seems to have dropped from the gun scene.
@@callawayken650 I'm sorry mate, I don't know Steve Lee.
I second that. I absolutely love my Rossi. I had a Henry big boy, it was great quality and workmanship but got rid of it because it was too bulky and heavy for me. The front loading tube was a playing factory too.
HunterValleyDan Australia doesn't have guns
Well that was fun shooting but the best part was the incredible ending! You are one multi-talented man and I hope you share more harmonica, cows and that gorgeous sunset! Thanks for another great video!
Haha! Those cows were "providential"😉
My son who is now 36 years old was prolific about saving brass when he was in his teens. We did lots of reloading at that time and he was even saving brass from common & ‘cheaper’ rounds we didn’t have reloading dies for. I didn’t see the logic to it at the time but indulged him as a father should. That is certainly paying off now with shortages & massive price increases though even the cost of reloading has gone up significantly.
A friend has taken a fair number of whitetail with the 357 from a Ruger Blackhawk.
Beginning ca 2008 my wife started buying brass from one of the guys on our collectors clum who policed up brass at ranges and sold it to club members...all sorts of nrass I didn't losd...ir expect to load...7.62x39,10mm, 45LC, 357 mag.I recently acquired a 10mm conversion barrel for My Glock 21 and that investment looks great now...
Great job George. I love the 357 Mag in a lever action. I own a Henry Big Boy Steel and a Rossi R92 and both are a joy to shoot. Thanks for a super video.
Thanks. You got a couple of great lever guns there yourself!
I like the idea of the 357 pistol and lever rifle combo. Great for just about anything in the South East.
Don't underestimate the effectiveness of a hand loaded, hard cast .357mag 👍👍
I'm a hard cast wide flat nose bullet fan from way back.
@@TargetSuite I'm relatively "new" to firearms, but from my limited research on reloading it would seem as though hard cast projectiles, whether bullets or buckshot, are very potent! I have a press at the moment, but no dies as yet. I'm north of the border and reloading components are 1)expensive and 2)hard to find, but they will most likely be my next purchases. I have several calibres that I'd need to fill 👍😎
Been thinking about you guys up there. I know the pressure is really on. In the meantime check out Randy Garrett's work on the wide flat nose hardcast bullet design. It's kind of hard to find but Google will eventually get you there. Paco Kelly also has some good info on that bullet style. There's a lot more to that geometry than meets the eye😉
I can across a odd 230 gr. 357 lead bullet for 'bowling pin shooting'. I coated them to help maybe increase their resistance to hotter powder. Even more odd, they reloaded better in 38 Special cases, of course seating very deep. I varied the powder loadings, and watched for any lead melt on the bullets (those I could find). That loading from my 1894C Marlin hit like a ton of bricks!! I started carrying it while camping in bear areas, and after watching this video, I may just load some up. One of my friends said this load pentrated better than his 38-55, which had been used on black bears.
A .357 is JUST ENOUGH gun for a number of purposes. To stretch its capabilities to bigger animals, you need to give up expansion, emphasize penetration, and, for a quick, humane kill, put that bullet precisely where it needs to go: spinal column or heart, not lungs. Hollowpoints/softpoints leave bigger-diameter, quicker-killing wounds aren't deep enough to go through the vitals, that doesn't matter.
.357 magnum, .44 magnum, .45 long colt. Best cartridge to use is the one in your hands. They are all great, reliable and won't let you down. My Marlin 1884 .44 mag is one of my favorite guns.
Amen! I have the first two you mentioned and my son has the 45 Colt. I enjoy shooting them all!😀
If we are talking about light for hunting rounds, I am a fan of the 303 Savage or the 30/30. Neither round is brutal and both drive their bullet deep into the game.
@@TargetSuite George, have you ever fired a 200gr .45LC when it's completely filled with black powder? Gives a whole new meaning to, ''Hand Cannon'' - nothing 'funner'
...just don't breathe
Last year, I decided to purchase a lever gun, always wanted one, such an American classic iconic gun.
First the brand, I went with the all brass Henry Big Boy, it's the best looking one hands down, the action is buttery smooth.
Then I had to pick a caliber, choices were, the .357, .44 magnum and the classic 45 colt.
I decided on the 45 colt, out of the three, the 45 colt is the most versatile of the three.
You can plink away with cowboy loads on the range all day, you can fire self defense rounds of all sorts.
You can also use it to go hunting, as a matter of fact, you can purchase rounds that would put a .44 magnum to shame, they are called 45 colt +P.
Take Buffalo Bore 45 colt Deer Grenades as an example, 260 grains out of a 20 inch barrel traveling at over 1900 fps, this will go through a Deer at over 250 yards broadside.
They make ammo for this rifle that makes it more lethal than a 30-30 at 100 yards.
I would say, the 45 colt is one of the best if not the best Carbine Cartridge.
Btw, I absolutely love your channel...Greeting from Germany.
Greetings to you as well! I love the 45 Colt as well. My son has a Winchester 1892 in that caliber and it's a blast. And you are right . . . it is very versatile.
Hello from Florida
@Chris Peters It's legal providing you meet all the requirements.
We are not like the UK, guns are legal here, hunting is legal and so on.
You have to prove to me that 45 colt+P is more lethal than the 30-30. I find this statement hard to believe. I would call this a one man assumption.
@@2centsworth766 It's all in the math my friend. When it comes down to hunting, all that matters is energy delivered, more energy=more damage.
All 30-30 ammo energy is calculated using a rifle.
Most 45 colt+p ammo is calculated using heavy framed revolvers. That same ammo fired from a 20 inch barrel adds about 400 fps, which adds quite a bit more energy.
Most 30-30 ammo fired from a lever action deliver anywhere from 1600 to 1800 foot pounds of energy out of a muzzle depending on what grain bullet is fired(120 grains to 160 grains).
Buffalo Bore 45 colt +P Deer Grenades is a 260 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of over 1900 fps delivering over 2100 foot pounds of energy. Where the 30-30 shines is not it's power, but it's flatter shooting trajectory and accuracy at longer ranges.
I know this for a fact, because I have both.
A Marlin 30-30 and a Henry Big Boy in 45 colt. The reason most people are not aware of how powerful a 45 colt can be is because of the legacy ammo made for weak framed 45 colt pistols. For short range power, I will rely on the 45 colt Henry loaded buffalo bore ammo, for longer range, I will rely on my Marlin 30-30, longer range being more than 100 yards.
I have a Henry. 357. Pretty gun. Recoil is way different between a .357 and 38 spc.
The harmonica song was beautiful. Thx for sharing.
Thanks for watching . . . all the way to the end!
Been using 357 lever action for 40yrs. Best combination in a Brush gun.
I have the Rossi in 357 mag
Sweet little carbine
I load several rounds for it:
135 g cast hp over 2000 fps
158 g swc around 1850 fps
158 g speer gold dot
180 g swc around 1600fps
The 135 gr is over 2000 fps
If a 357 mag hurts in a revolver, you dont wantbto get hit by a 135g at over 2000 fps
For self defence its way ahead of the 9mm or most of the revolvers
Half mass x vel sq is massive energy jump from a 9 mm 115 gr at 1100/1200 fps......
And its relatively cheap to shoot
And at a push if ammo a problem, it can be fed with 38 spec rounds that are also relatively abundant
I have used it on smaller deer and warthogs and works well in the thicker brush where the shorter length and punch per pound is disproportionately good for the hunting
Light to carry all day and quick to come on target
So good all rounder in my opinion
Thanks for that! Yep, for all its "sweetness" the .357 Magnum carbine is a lightweight better suited for smaller thin skinned, and not dangerous, game.
@@TargetSuite the .357 Mag would easily put holes in lungs of the largest grizzly bear. NO ANIMAL can survive with a .357 caliber hole in its’ lungs. So if you shot a bear or a large boar from a stand it would certainly kill it! Maybe not drop dead, but certainly dead. In a 18 or 20 inch barrel the .357 Mag with the right loading projectile will kill anything in North America with ease. Just wait about ten minutes in your stand after shooting even the largest bears through the lungs and it’ll all be over.
I have the Rossi in .44spl/.44mag. Red Brazilian hardwood stock (mahogany?) Stainless, well tuned, beautiful. Canoe or boat gun.
Yes.
Sweet.
I took my first buck with my 1894 Marlin with a 125 gr sivertip last season. Range was close but he didn’t take a step. With .357 Max loads you certainly get mid range 30-30 performance out to about 150 yards. A 38/356 is a great rifle for new and experienced shooters because you can shoot soft 38s all day long and load up the 357s for the hunt.
Great harmonica brother George that beautiful old hymn is one of my favorites. Good shooting brother and beast of health to you and your family.
Thank you. It's one of my favorites as well.
.357 from a rifle can literally outperform 7.62x39. It's a potent round from anything but a rifle barrel really brings out it's potential.
Amen! And the 7.62x39 is a very one-dimensional cartridge
How does it outperform the 7.62 ?
@@tonydeaton2890 I think he means that with equal weight bullets the .357 can match or exceed the velocities of the 7.62x39 with lower powder weight.
@@russellkeeling9712 I don't know of any 357 loadings, even in a rifle barrel, that will push a bullet up to 2300 fps.
@@tonydeaton2890 Buffalo bore Heavy .357 mag HP = 2,298 out of a 18.5" marlin 1894(stats from their website)
I have an 1894SC Marlin in .357 mag. It has been a favorite for several of my friends who tried it. I did some testing with the the Hornady 158 grain XTP FP in hand loads. It is rated for 1175 to 1800 FPS. I tested it in water jugs at 100 yards and found it still expanded very well because the velocity was still 1400 FPS at that distance. I got a black tail deer in 2003 with it at about 25 yards. It worked just fine! Now its my lovely brides favorite rifle to shoot and is hard to get back from her!
How fast are the XTPs moving for deer?
That was some beautiful harmonica playing. How Great thou art
Thank you!
I shot my first deer with a .357 marlin 1894c handloaded with the XTP (180gn) over a compressed load of H110. Broadside-passthrough at 80 yards which was what I was sighted in for.
Sweet! Can't wait for the new 1894s to come out!
I've taken several Blacktail with a Rossi '92 .357. Wounds with the Speer 158-grain JSP at 1860 f/s look a lot like wounds left by my 7mm-08 throwing 130-grain SPBTs at ~2900 f/s--until the much faster bullet hits bone. A .357 is the rock-bottom minimum gun I'd carry in cougar/black bear country, but I might, because mine also feeds/functions with most .38 Specials, those are perfect on small game, and I love mixed-bag hunting; superb trail gun, when you are hiking more than hunting, for that reason, too. .38s do not shoot to the same point of impact as .357s: you need a secondary sighting system. But .38 target wadcutters--they will NOT feed, DON'T try, or you will jam the gun solid until you can take it apart--kill rabbits like lightning, without destroying any meat, and semi-wadcutter loads that do feed are almost as good. More than half of the utility of a .357 is being able to use .38s; I know those rifles intimately, and there is no good reason they wouldn't feed, fire, and function with any .38 Special loads that are long enough. I don't know what Winchester/Miroku is thinking, trying to reduce the owner's utility of their carbine that much, but the first thing I would do with ANY .357 carbine is to find out what .38s it feeds, or simply design some handloads for it that are long enough that I know they will.
BTW, the Rossi almost got me killed horribly one day: I was working on a ranch, and long story short, I was set upon by, I kid you not, a pair of feral Dobermanns, someone's matched brace of guard dogs that had slipped the leash and gone into business for themselves. When I caught up to the dogs--first they were hunting me: when I got to my carbine, I went hunting them--there was a screen of brush between us. I cocked the rifle, and tried for a shot through an opening. But the dog moved; when I moved, I instinctively let the hammer down against the frame. ROSSI 92'S HAVE A FATAL FLAW: the firing pin is as short as if it were inertial, but there is no spring to hold it back for the hammer to strike. Push it all the way into the bolt, and the rifle will not fire. And did not. I levered that round out onto the forest floor--it's still there--and re-cocking moved the firing pin to the rear, where it was effective. I got a 158-grain Speer at 1860 f/s into the point of the lead dog's shoulder, as it was coming fast, at about 20 feet: the bullet exited the front of the opposite hip, and left a nickel-to-quarter-diameter wound all the way through (I autopsy). The dog yipped and went down: a .38 wadcutter behind the ear turned its light out, probably seconds before they would have gone out anyway. My second shot hit the moving second dog through the guts. It went 100 yards, and lay down across the trail; I shot it carefully through the heart, offhand, at about 50 yards.
I have a 16-inch Rossi .45 Colt: light, short, handy, the power of a .454 Casull revolver--335-grain LBT LFN at 1600 f/s--and I used to carry it, or hang it handy in camp, in bear/cougar country. UNTIL I realized that it was worse than the .357; lower the muzzle, and the firing pin falls into the bolt, and might as well not be there; the gun will not fire. I don't know where to get that fixed: I phoned Taurus/Rossi last week, and they will LOOK at them for $50 each, but couldn't even be bothered to tell me if they've lengthened the firing pins since Rossi's near-fatal ( to me) f**k up. The .45 also needs a new lifter: my bear load is a little long, and the gunsmith who made it feed took a little too much off the cartridge stop, which eventually broke. I need a .454 Casull lifter, and build the cartridge stop forward until it just feeds at 1.715 inches OAL: it will still feed most shorter .45 Colt loads at that length. Taurus won't even sell me one.
Does anyone know where I can get competent gunsmithing on 1892s?
Get ahold of StevesGunz they do a lot of stuff with Rossi 92s
I had both Marlin 94s and Winchester 92s in 357 and 44 mag. I like the 92s better. In 357 mag my hunting load was a 158 JSP over as much H110 as I could cram into the case. It’s not a spectacular killer on either deer or hogs but it works just fine. My hunting with these is less than 75 yards.
Great job on the harmonica!
I like the 92 size rifle as well as it fits me perfectly. I wish I could have gotten my hands on some JSPs for this test but the "ammo-demic" is making things almost impossible to get. But like you I would be comfortable shooting our Southern deer at 75 yards with that 158 grain JSP.
If I had the money I’d definitely have a 357 lever action and a 44. Much easier to deal with the hotter rounds that way
Yep, even the hottest 44 mag loads are manageable in a lever gun.
@@TargetSuite I got a 3 inch group with my 44 mag at 150 yards with open sights. I consider that good enough for East Texas deer hunting...
454 Casull in a lever has got to be a hammer. There's only two companies that make them, one being very expensive.
@@TargetSuite Buffalo Bore has a “.44 Mag +P+” and let me tell you it is VICIOUS!!!!!!!
@@hanc37 what bullet/grain you using with your 44mag?
I’ve owned a number of 357, 44 mag, and 45 colt lever guns. They were all great fun to shoot. I make my own cast bullets and have shot some very hard bullets. It is absolutely amazing what a hard cast can penetrate. I’ve not used theses rifles on big game only rabbits 🐇 and grouse but I’ve had friends take deer 🦌, moose and black bears 🐻 with good results.
I liked the lever action info but the cow calling was great too .
Haha! I told someone else I think they stole the show!
I’ve taken deer with my Taurus model 66 revolver in .357mag and it’s very effective. Recently purchased a Rossi 92 lever rifle in .357 and looking forward to doing some hunting with it
BTDT, I have owned 22, 357, 44 mag, 45 Colt, lever guns in pistol calibers. 30-30, 35 Remington, 444 Marlin, and 45-70 in rifle calibers. I have hunted with them all and shot targets with them all, so I have some observations. First you need to decide if you want a lever gun to shoot or just to look at. If you shoot, then you need to reload. You are just banging your head on the wall if you are not reloading. Winchester 9422, great gun awesome rabbit rifle out to 50 yards or so. Marlin 357, same thing but hits with more authority of course. 44 mag and 45 Colt carbines couldn't hit a paper plate at 50 yards, let alone a rabbit. 35 Remington, very accurate, easy to load for, can reload with 38- 357 cast bullets for cheap shooting. 444 Marlin, capable of tack driver accuracy. Kicks hard. 45-70, kicks even harder and has mediocre accuracy even with the best of handloads. So what's best?
If you hunt, like I do, but want a light handy, easy carrying rifle. A rifle that can hit and take game out to 100 yards or more, then a straight stock, short barrel (16 inch-ish) aperture sight Marlin in 30-30 is almost impossible to beat. Mine is shooting 1 inch at 50 yards with Sierra 125 JHP at 2500 fps. The 30-30 doesn't kick like the big boys and it shoots much flatter than the 357, making it easier to hit with at longer ranges. It just does everything well.
"44 mag and 45 Colt carbines couldn't hit a paper plate at 50 yards..."
The American firearms industry holds to the ridiculous notion that the slowest possible rate of twist is best, and never mind if the owner wants to use heavier-than-average bullets. IIRC, some Marlin .44 Magnums use 1 turn in 48 inches, which won't stabilize anything much heavier than 240 grains; the slow twist hobbles .444 Marlins. My Rossi .45 Colt wouldn't keep 335-grain LBT LFNs on a 4-foot-square target at 100 yards when new. I could feel a constriction at every dovetail/screw slot across the outside of the barrel, shoving a tight-fitting brush/rag through it; something like 100 firelapping rounds--normally way too many--brought that down to ~4" at 100 yards. I don't know if more firelapping would help further, or if the--1:32"?--twist rate just isn't fast enough, but 1:20 would be a whole lot better..
I would trade my original Marlin .357 and .45 Colts for Ruger/Marlins with threaded muzzles, IF they had fast twist barrels. I know I can throw a 252-grain Loverin-style spitzer I cast from a .357 carbine, and a 400-grain bullet from.45 Colt, at subsonic velocities for a suppressor: when you have a speed limit--the speed of sound--the only way to add horsepower is to add mass. The .357 will require 1:16 inches, or a bit faster: the .45 Colt at least 1:20. 1:16 would be better. Are you listening, Ruger?
Breaking out the harmonica...Love it! A .357 lever gun has been on my short list for a long time. Hopefully some day I will get to enjoy one.
I'm pretty sure Ruger will introduce an 1894 357 Magnum this fall with their initial rollout of the new Marlins. So be saving up your money:-)
Do it , you won't regret it , I bought my Henry 357 from Walmart , lever action golden boy , fell in love instantly 💖👍
Man of many talents George - like the harmonica finale! I just use my Winchester ‘94 .357 for paper-punching with reduced loads and had similar feed issues until I settled on jacketed truncated cone heads (very smooth reliable feeding), or similar shaped hard cast heads (not quite as smooth as the jacketed, but pretty good nonetheless). I think semi-wadcutters are bound to hang-up more due to the sharp shoulder. Excellent video as always. Many thanks.
Thanks! I appreciate your kind words! Like you I've got some investigating to do on what's going on here. I can't imagine there is a design issue with the miroku Winchester 1892.
He’s brown as a berry, from riding the prairie, and he sings with an old western drawl.
Just singing his cattle call.
.45 colt my favorite and can be hotted up in strong actions. Or use standard off the shelf I prefer copper jacketed bullets.
An Eddie Arnold classic. I love it! Thanks!
Wish I'd have known that trick all those years ago when my dad had me watering the garden regularly...with buckets. I could've made it 'rain' on the plants and had some fun at the same time.☺️
That would make me whistle while I worked ;-)
I have a Henry X in 357. 357 is a beast and it is an unhinged maniac beast out of a rifle. I love it.
Haha! Thanks for watching!
I ended up getting a Henry in .327 Federal Magnum. Yes, I know it's a bit of an oddball cartridge, but it's performance is actually very good and I have been very pleased with it (and you can also get a pistol to go with it!) and it also shoots .32 H & R Magnum.
Yes, that is an interesting cartridge that I am not very familiar with.
I would own one if they offered a side loading gate, maybe in one of their new X models someday.
That is a beautiful gun. I grew up with a Marlin .44 magnum in the early '60s and a Ruger Blackhawk in .44 magnum
The Hornady performed really well...good stuff and great ending!
Thanks. I can't believe so many people are staying to the end! It must be the cows ;-)
357 and 44mag are great lever actions.
Yes they are both great cartridges for a small lever action rifle. I love them both. I just need to get this .357 1892 to chamber smoothly. It kind of spoils the experience a little bit
Unfortunately a lot of WFN and SWC don't like to cycle through lever actions.
@James Huggins I solved the problem this morning. Before I took it apart for cleaning I loaded 10 rounds and watched them cycle carefully. About every other one was hanging up when the rim of the case tried to go through the clearance notches on the internal rails. So once I took it apart I removed the right side rail and there was a burr sharp edge on the bottom of that clearance cut. A little polishing and now everything runs smooth as silk:-)
@@TargetSuite cool glad you figured it out.
I have both 44mag and 357 mag. In lever and also a ranch hand in 44mag. Love them all.
Great video George! I especially like the very last part. Papa is indeed great and he makes a beautiful sunset! God bless you brother!
Thanks! And amen!
Huge .357 and .44 mag fan here, but arthritis has led me to drop the .44 mag. Picked up an AR in 6.8 SPC for the little longer range stands. Excellent presentation! Thanks!
Shot my friend’s beautiful Henry yellow boy but found it too heavy for this retired senior. I bought an Uberti Cattleman SA 357 with a 7,5” barrel in blue/ brass combination. Love it.
I think that's the BEST ending to a video I've ever seen! Thank you, George.
As to .357 mag in lever guns, the 16" variety offers a little better velocity as the longer barrels tend to slow down the projectile. Regardless, it's definitely an effective short range tool with the right load. Buffalo Bore makes some interesting loads in that caliber. Also, the '92 was not really designed for cartridges beyond a certain length. Heavy for caliber loads tend to work much more reliably in the '94.
I like the way the range is shaping up. Pretty soon, I expect it will garner Hickok45's seal of approval.
I do think, however, you're really missing out by not shooting the .45 Colt (God's Cartridge) from a 20" lever gun. It can get a lot of "work" done at lower pressures when compared to the obnoxious .44 Rem Mag. I'm sure John Taffin will forgive you. :)))
Thank you, George.
Thank you. That ending came together in a flash a few days ago when I walked outside, saw the sunset, and the cows were close by. I was inspired by at all.
I'll break out that 45 Colt 1892 again this Spring and revisit that fine carbine . . . and cartridge of course ;-)
It's true that with factory rounds 16" seems to be the ideal barrel length but as a handloader the options are endless. In my Rossi M92 with a 20" barrel using some Power Pro 300 powder I'm pushing 158 gr. flat nose XTP's just over 2000 fps. with no pressure signs. That's pretty stout and it makes a dandy deer cartridge inside of 100 yards or so. If I think I'll need it I also have a Rossi M92 in 454 Casull that I shoot 45 Colt out of. 225 gr. hornady FTX bullets at 1400 fps. will get the job done.
"as the longer barrels tend to slow down the projectile." ??????????????????????????????
@@jackpinesavage7376 - correct, apparently at some point in long barrels the bullet begins to slow down rather than continuing to speed up. Or rather you get diminishing returns in velocity after a certain barrel length
@@BrockNessMonster1991 I doubt you would want to pack a barrel that long through the woods.
We have been hunting with .357 for decades, five plus. Shooting one shot at deer, ground hogs, and bear ( would have died from first round however safety of dogs at stake ; 1 more. )
Handgun in the beginning, then rifle 10 years ago when straight wall pistol cartridge( original wording in regulation passed in Michigan) Rifle used was RUGER M77 .357 and original 180 gr. Winchester Black Talon Ammo. All one shot down dead, except spine shot and not wanting the adrenaline into the meat, killing shot a few seconds later. 85 to 125 yd shots high shoulder shots, except the 125 yd shot, deer lunged forward as shot broke; and was struck in the spine. I found the .357 cartridge to be adequate, especially with folks with recoil conscience folks and small framed shooters. The .357 cartridges have the most bullet choices and powders to accommodate deer size game or hogs. Shot placement is paramount. How Great Thou Art does reveal your true character as a passionate human being; sharing objective views with you videos. Your marksmanship with open sights is appreciated. 2000 FPS is attainable with 125 gr bullets in 20 in carbines. We continue to rewatch and share your videos. We need more grown men smiling!
Thanks! I appreciate your insight with the 357 mag for hunting. And I appreciate your encouraging words!
I have a Rossi 92 that I love to shoot. It's a great companion to my Ruger GP-100 3 inch revolver. My Rossi had some problems initially, but I got it sorted out and I love shooting it.
Thanks for that. I featured a Rossi r92 in a video recently. It was borrowed from the friend of mine and I really enjoyed that little rifle. But like yours it had a few problems that need to be worked out. Thanks for the comment!
Man, the 180 gr hard cast is all you need. Perfect.
I don’t know why I was surprised by your musical talent, but it was a delightful addition. George, you never fail to impress. I wish we were neighbors. Great... great episode.
Thank you Charles! I appreciate that! And yes neighbors would be good
I never had a .357 carbine. But I’ve had a .44 carbine for 40 years. While looking for a replacement part, I was looking for a .357 carbine. I couldn’t find one, so I bought another .44. I’m quite pleased I didn’t find the .357.
I am impressed with your musical talent. Nice ending to the video.
I have never had a 357 carbine or rifle even though my experience with 357 revolvers goes back over 40 years. If I could only have one revolver the 357 would be it. Fortunately we are not at that position as of yet. I have shot deer, hogs and even a couple bears with 357 revolvers. Always done the job but admittedly the larger animals were given the whole cylinder application.
Maybe someday I will get a long gun in 357.
Thanks. I saw that Sunset and those cows were close to the fence so I thought, hey I'm going to get my harmonica. I hadn't messed with it in a year or longer so I'm surprised they didn't run off. I'm with you on the 30 357 Magnum revolvers. I don't have one yet but that might be a case of ... if I could only have one it would be the .357. Magnum
I love my 357's. I clocked American Eagle 158gr jsp at 1740 fps from my Marlin. A half a ton of energy does solid work on hogs and deer. With my 6" barreled revolver as a sidearm, they make a great pair.
My American Eagle 158gr JSP says it’s for target practice, but I was curious how it would do for hunting out of a carbine. Have you had luck? I’m hunting whitetail under 60 yards easy
@@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975 Each barrel has its own "personality". If your carbine likes the cartridge, it'll do the job. I'd keep the ranges inside 100 yards.
I think a .357 is an all around decent round. That being said, not all rounds are the same. If you get a high performance round not just some run of the mill crap I'd feel fairly confident if it was my only choice in a carbine for bear defense. That being said .357 is a formidable round by any means. I just think it all depends on a particular round and shot placement. If you're using it for just deer hunting an average 158 gr hp will more than suffice in my opinion (at close range).
Yes, it is all about staying within the range capabilities of any give round. Thanks for your comment!
As someone in a pistol caliber carbine hunting state I have the .357 and .44 mags. Taken deer with both, but the 357 does a great job on these Ohio size deer. I hand load 158gr xtps and have killed deer out to 130 yards with zero problems, or follow up shots.
Necessity is the mother of invention, so I'm guessing you guys have just learned to keep your ranges appropriate for the pistol caliber cartridges.
@@TargetSuite yes we keep shots limited to 100 yards usually with range finders, and a lot of where we hunt is limited by woods and field edges you can set up within 100yards of game trails pretty easy here
I'll say that ultimately if you're using a pistol calibre carbine you should have a pistol to match. Other than the stout recoil, .357cal Mag is a damn fine choice although I'm also somewhat taken with .38cal Spec hand loads. My Rossi 92 takes both just fine and I can't complain with the performance of my Ruger Security Six with. For the same reason I keep a Marlin XT22 and a Ruger Single Six. And other than the few antiques I keep because they're rare and interesting, if I had to pare down my cabinet to just the essentials those four would be top of the list.
You are right. I need a 357 Magnum handgun. I've been eyeballing a Ruger Blackhawk at the same pawn shop where I bought my single six. I may make them an offer time I go back to Houston
Thank you for that ending, a perfect way to add Spirit to a Sunday morning.
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From one Houston Texan to another, nice job! I love my 357 lever gun. I use the Leverevolution projectiles almost exclusively for my loads. They do a great job across the board!
Hey neighbor! It's good to hear from you. Thanks for the comment!
Have you tried them in a revolver?
@@trespasserswill7052 yep, in my GP100.
@@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor What is the barrel length? How do they perform?
@@trespasserswill7052 it's a 4 inch. They perform great. Just more muzzle flash and a bit more felt recoil. That's my brush hunting combo.
A revolver and a lever action rifle, what a great combination!
Great job. I put a tarp down on both ends so I can find both spent cases and deformed projectile. Thanks.,.
Thanks! That's a good idea about the tarps on both ends. So much "hardware" to set up for videos😄
New subscriber! Just got the wife a Henry .357 for Christmas. Ammunition is still hard to find. We need to get some of this ballistics gel for shooting. It looks very fun.
Thank you for the sub. The 357 Magnum is such a joy to shoot in a lever gun. So I think your wife is going to really enjoy that Henry. The ballistics gel is fun but it is also a lot of work. You get about five or six shots before the jail block is compromised and then you have to cut it in pieces clean all the pieces, remelt it and repour it.
@@TargetSuite everything really good takes a lot of work
Loved your harmonica rendition of How Great Thou Art🙏
Thanks. That whole scene kind of came together in about 3 minutes. But it worked out better than I expected. Glad you hung around to the end!
I don't comment much. Beautiful ending. The cows were more reverent than many people these days.
My wife bought me a Chiappa/Taylor & Sons 1892 357 Rio Bravo edition for Father's Day. It's a purty gun to be sure. I almost hate to shoot it. But I'm going to put some rounds through it today or tomorrow.
Thanks you for making the exception and commenting here! I hope your range day with the '92 goes great!
I did get to shoot it today. It shot great. The 357 carbine has a lot more oomph than my 9mm carbine based on the way it rocked my steel plates around. I was shooting 158 grain Aguila 357, supposedly supposedly a pretty warm load from what I understand.
I'd go with the .44 mag. too. Great ending-How great indeed!
Thanks!
Good to see you doing your thing and showing off your rifle and reloading expertise! Its always a fun time to spend with you! Nice herd of cattle too by the way! Grest song! Especially with Easter Sunday being so close to us!
Thank you. I appreciate that comment!
Love the 357 in a lever gun. Great playing and song at the end.👍🏻
Thank you sir!
My father was in the church choir in the 1950's and he sang that hymn solo at least once that I remember, maybe twice. Thank You.
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George, I like the demonstration of the proper way to load the magazine through the side gate. So simple but many still struggle and pinch fingers. I love the harmonica, please share more.
Thanks! I appreciate your comments. It's funny. . . one guy commented saying that watching me load was a waste of time😄
I could listen to your harmonica playing all day!
Thank you
Hi George, you sure are a man of many talents! Beautiful harmonica playing of that hymn! It's been a long time since I heard someone say "cow calling". Brings back find memories thank you George.
Thanks Terry. I'm really glad folks are sticking around for the end. But I think the cows are stealing the show:-)
@@TargetSuite George I don't think they stole the show. I believe a lot of people have never seen anything like you did! And it was awesome. I was raised on a farm and can remember my papaw doing that same thing at dust. Only difference he was on his horse with he's "Gus" style cowboy hat! He called it "cattle calling". Peace be with you my friend.
Absolutely inspirational ... your playing put a huge smile on my face. May God Bless ....
Thanks for sharing that with me. God bless you as well!
Great video but the best part was the "cow calling" at the end. I really enjoyed that!
That was fun! I miss those cows! I'm guessing they long ago fed the masses😉
@@TargetSuite now that is making me hungry for a good ribeye steak!🥩
The chambering issue can be fixed by getting a Marlin. The 1894 Winchester is the .357 version with the most problems. I learned that by experience.
I've heard that about the 1894 Winchester. Fortunately my 1892 is normally not fraught with those kind of problems.
I have a Marlin in .357 and it is a bitch when it comes to chambering rounds. I love Marlins. Love .357 (going to get a Rossi when I can) but this gun just won't ramp properly.
Good morning George, that sir was as fine a video as I have watched here on the LubeTube. Not a lot of hard data just enjoyment of being alive in these hard times. Stay safe and God bless. Any chance you could setup a p.o box to send some goodies too. I stopped by a local gun shop in Daytona Beach yesterday and low and behold they had primers for sale, 50 cents each and 5.56 loads at $1.49 each. Just crazy and yup they were still sitting there when I left.
Hi Robert. Thanks for your encouraging comment. I've put the P.O. Box info in the "About" section of my channel page. But here it is for you.
George at Target Suite
P.O. Box 132
Marthaville LA 71450
Loved the demo sir . Mines a Marlin and I’ve had it for about two years and absolutely love shooting it . I shoot a 158 cast plinker in 38;brass. My hot mag load is a 140 xtp over a little bit of 2400 hehe. Awesome carbine caliber for shure . Like the Winchester by the way . Take care and thanks again.By the way I was paying close attention to your playing ,as much as the cows were !
Thanks. I went through most of my box of 158 grain XTPs getting the video figured out and filmed. But I do have an unopened box of 140 grain XTPs. I think I'll work up some loads with a little bit of 2400 also ;-)
I have the Marlin also. Bought it in 1985. I like a handload of a 140g Sierra JSP. Shot several deer and smaller game with it. Great little rifle
I'll have to try that with my chickens , I don't have any cows but I do enjoy playing the harmonica . My dad used
to call them French harps . I am self taught , learned passing the time while I was on watch in the navy . Now I
keep one in my truck to pass the time while my wife is in Wal-Mart . Great video . I had a Dan Wesson 357 but
traded it for Smith & Wesson model 59 9mm .
Thats funny, I learned to play the harmonica driving back and forth between Houston and the farm here in Louisiana.
My older brother uses 357 to hunt hogs in Oklahoma and Texas from both 6 in Smith and a lever action. Does very well. Anytime you shoot bowling pins, you should show what damage is done. Its can be pretty interesting.
CHEERS from Colorado
Thanks for the comment. The videowas getting pretty long and so close-up of the bowling pins got left on the editing room floor🙂
I have a .44 mag 92 Winchester pattern. In stainless. My hand loads are 225 hollow point I think on the low edge, or almost 1,800 fps, if the chronograph I was using was correct. One deer I shot evidently moved just as I pulled the trigger. I shot it though the neck/spine. You could actually see daylight through the hole. Thst was at 90 to 105 yards. I didn’t step it off and i shot it through an opening in the brush. Couldn’t get a better guesstimate on the distance. But it was very close to 100 yards, give it take 5 yards.
I want one of the .357 rifles too. My cousin swears by his. He loves it as much as I do my .44 mag. And he too, has access to several lever actions. Just haven’t looked hard enough for a .357 mag. I have several lever actions. Love them all.
Impressive results with your 44 mag. That 225 grain bullet sounds like a winner! I have the 357 Magnum carbine as well and loved it but for hunting there is a significant Advantage with the 44 Magnum. Thank you for your comment!
Impressive results! I have the 357 Magnum '92 as well and love it. But for hunting, the 44 Magnum is, in my opinion, Superior by a significant margin. Thanks for watching!
"Do you just play or can you shoot too."
I have not noticed any sign of a cartridge shortage here in Finland. That problem probably only affects the Usa.
The ammunition shortage here is due to the millions and millions of new gun owners over the last couple of years overwhelming the supply chain. That probably is fairly unique to the USA.
That's cause the ammo you can easily buy is produced in europe lik S&B. If we had some civil unrest, the price would increase as well, while it's often not possible to become a new gun owner quickly.
The US ammo shortage: Democrats!
That was my Dad's favorite hymn.
Thank you for bringing back that memory!
(357 rifle, great for a new hunter at modest a range.)
You are welcome. Thanks for watching!
Ive had the 357 44mag 454 casull and I just have the 357 m92 now. It does well for where i live. But if i where in big bear country I would carry the 44 mag or the 454 casull
I got quit some rifles, but the .357 lever is by far the most fun shooting one of all.
I saw somewhere on Tube about a guy that makes bottle caps that have a valve in them like a basket ball or the like, you can put a lot of compressed air in the bottle then it explodes even when hit with a bb gun. For more fun, you can put a little baking soda or the like in the bottles. I mean they really blow up, if you have about as much air pressure as they can take in them. I need to find that vid, I want some for myself.
I seen those exploding two liter bottles. They go off with a major league Bang
I have a Browning 357 and use it for wild goat and hog hunting. It’s been a very good and versatile lever action rifle.
Hi, and thanks for your comment! Yes, the 357 is a great cartridge if it's met with a realistic expectation. Sounds like you've got it nailed!
Best Ending Ever!!! Well Done Sir and May God Bless You!
Thank you! God bless you as well!
The best carbine round is the one that matches your primary handgun round. So, in my case, YES.
Well said!
The winchester was in the 1892 model, was in 38-40, 44-40 & 32-20. The 32-20 could be rebored to a 357- 38 special I seen it done on the American Rifle magazine in the early 60's.. A good gun smith.
I've seen a couple of those converted 32 20s for sale.
@@TargetSuite Where & amount?
I have 2 Rossi stainless steel 20" M92's, one in 454 Casull which I was so impressed with I bought one in 357/38 for fun and with 4 grandchildren coming up no sense brutalizing them with the 454. Talk about fun, I cast and powder coat my own bullets so I shoot everything from little Red Dot charges with cast 125's to 180's with 296 all for about a nickel a round. My favorite ? A 158 cast flat point with 6 gr. of CFE Pistol for 1473 fps. Over 1000 rounds to a pound of powder with enough bang to be interesting and easy to shoot. I have hunted with it taking 2 doe, both hit around 60 yards with a stiff charge of W296 with a Speer 158 gr. JSP handload. One hit high on the shoulder above the leg just dropped and the other with a double lung shot only made it about 30 yards. Capable, yes but your right, the 44 Magnum is a better round especially at ranges at or over 100 yards, even with a handgun IMHO. How about a defensive rifle, you bet. My Rossi will handle 38 Specials just fine and loaded with 10 Remington 38 Special +P 125gr. HTP's leaving that 20" barrel at 1227 fps I have no doubt that lever gun will fill the bill if needed.
Great comment! I appreciate that! And I confess, I'm a little jealous of your 454 Casull😉
Enjoyed the video. I've had great experience with the XTP's and XTP magnum bullets. I enjoy your channel very much and keep coming back for more excellent content. Keep up the good work! God bless and Merry Christmas! And loved "How Great Thou Art" on harmonica at the end. Now I need to dig mine out!
Thank you! I appreciate your comment! Merry Christmas to you as well.
i still love to see you catch the brass after shooting. and i love the cow calling, and the harmonica playing.
Glad you stayed around to the end. I expected 10 people maybe. Haha!
The great advantage of a 357 mag out of a rifle, like my Henry Big Boy Steel, is the very light recoil and the near doubling of the muzzle energy vs a revolver length barrel.
I have thought about taking my deer with the 357 rifle as it is legal here, but i have thus far stuck with 30 06.
I think you are wise to stick with the 30 06 ;-)
The 16 inch barrel really wakes up the 357 cartridge. A marlin or winchester carbine and a single action revolver is a combination that's hard to beat.
Thanks for the video
I think the only thing that beats that is a Marlin or Winchester carbine and a double action revolver 😎
Beautifully done on the harmonica. Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure. And I think the cows enjoyed it as well :-)
Great video. I have a Rossi 92, marlin 94 cp 1894, sw 686, Blackhawk and a 77/357. One load they all shoot well is 6.5 grains of hs 6 under any158 grain projectile lead or jacketed. Not a thumper but a mild shooter and cheap to load.
Thanks. Sounds like you've found that "universal" load!
I’ve taken quite a few deer with my 77/357 and gp 100 6” bbl. This is my do all combo in the southeast !
30/30 is the best. Best combo of low cost, high power & long range. But if your talking pistol cartridges, .357 is real hard to beat. Especially with today's awsome loadings.
Yes, the 30-30 is great. But the context was, as you guessed, pistol caliber carbines.
Is a 30 30 a straight cartridge rifle and legal to use in Ohio?
With a tang sight, I noticed the Missouri lead bullets were all over the target at 50 yards. I switched to 125g JHP, and 125g Jacketed soft flat nose and groups tightened up to 8,9 and 10 rings at 50 yards.
My 44 & 45 Colt model 92’s have better luck with the Missouri lead bullets.
I own several lever action rifles, 30-30 Marlin (JM), .22 39A Marlin (JM), .45 Colt CBC Marlin (JM), .44 Magnum Big Boy Henry.
Always wanted a .357 lever action.
Well, if you stopped right now with those guns I would say you have a fantastic collection. And the 45 Colt has such versatility by being able to go from +P down to Cowboy loads. But the 357 lever gun is a fun package and can be cheaoer to shoot than the 45C. Thanks for your comment and thank you for watching!
Good video! Loved the harmonica on the end! How Great Thou Art! Beautiful!
Thank you very much!
If anyone didn't enjoy the end of this video that's to bad. I am 55 years old and from a young age loved watching westerns on TV.
As for will 357 mag work on deer? Like all other calibers large or small shot placement is important. A good shot placement is the difference not having to track a deer as it expired soon after the shot. Or having to track a deer much farther then necessary with the possibility of disturbing other people hunt walking through the area they are hunting.
I shot my first deer with a 357 revolver with a 6" barrel with hand loaded Hornady 158gr xtp over 2400 powder. The deer dropped after two steps.
Deer or animals are all different in how much shock damage a bullet can make. I have shot deer perfect broadside double lung from 10 yards with 12 Guage 3" slug to have the deer trot off like nothing happen then fall over dead after 40-50 yard's. Most times a perfect broadside shot brings them down immediately or with a few steps. Every hunt can have different results.
Thanks for your comment. And thanks for watching!
How Great Thou art... amazing song and great play 👍🏻
Amen, and thanks!
You’re like my grandfather, you sway before you shoot. He was an excellent shot ! Said it’s not the motion,it’s when you pull the trigger.
It's all about timing😄😄
One of the considerations that anyone who chooses the .357 as a carbine cartridge is what projectile type is best suited for that carbine. The answer may be surprising to some in that a Jacketed Hollow point is not the best choice. Once a JHP projectile exceeds ~1500 fps it tends to become erratic and not function as one would want. The best choice in my opinion is the Remington 125 grain Jacketed Soft Point. Jacketed Soft Points expand in a linear fashion when muzzle velocities exceed the 1500 fps threshold and since the 125 grain JSP’s muzzle velocity is greater than 2,000 feet / second it performs extremely well.
I agree with you on the jacketed hollow point bullets. My experience with the 357 as well as the 44 magnum is that hollow points come apart at carbine velocities.
I found accuracy with 125gr hollowpoints was poor. My Rossi shoots better with 158gr gas-check Keith bullets.
I always wanted a lever action 38/357 but never bought one. My Dan Wesson 15VH-2 with 2-4-6-8" barrels would be a great companion.
Yep. You've got the perfect partner for a 357 carbine.