ISP doesn’t know you are using tor but if the vpn violates your privacy(proton doesn’t) your vpn provider will know. Don’t use American vpn provides, they hate you and want to violate your privacy.
@@danzen6246 You must be incompetent, when you use Nord VPN they do exactly what your isp does (collect your data). When you use Proton VPN, you actually get privacy.
The tor developers state that you should NOT combine these unless you are an expert user. I'm a exdarknet market admin and vendor. While he may be a "VPN pro"...Dudes wrong.
That’s nonsense, when you use a vpn before connecting to tor, all your isp sees is that you connected to a vpn, and all your vpn sees is that you’re connected to tor. I’m always connected to vpn 24/7, so when I boot up tor, it’s tor over vpn.
@@JerryWhitaker804 yeah it also makes sense to have a vpn after the edit node so the website server gets the request from your vpn server, and doesn’t know you’re using Tor.
cant the goverment force the vpn to give out data and effectively unmasked the use of tor in the first place? it's funny he doesent even mention this as a possibility why is that?
Because that’s only if you are using a crappy vpn that actually logs data most reputable vpn services don’t log data that way when the government shows up with a warrant there’s nothing to collect. A good representation of this is NordVPN when the government tried to collect their data and they were able to prove in court they had no data to collect
That’s what I was thinking. Use 2 different VPN providers also. The request gets encrypted on phone for VPN 1, then Tor, then VPN 2. Then the phone send the request to ISP, the ISP sends it to VPN 2, VPN 2 decrypts their layer and sends it to Tor, it gets routed and decrypted through Tor to VPN 1, VPN 1 decrypts the requests and sends it, gets back the response and encrypts it then sends through Tor, Tor encrypts it and routes it VPN 2, VPN encrypts it and sends it to your ISP, your ISP sends the response to your phone and then it decrypts it for VPN 2, then Tor, then VPN 1. You’d get the best of both worlds as far as security and privacy, just significantly reduced speeds. Your traffic’s protected at Tor’s exit nodes. Your ISP can’t see that you’re using Tor but can see that you’re using VPN provider 2. You can access sites that block Tor traffic. You can acces .onion sites. Tor entry nodes can’t see your real IP. I guess it depends on your use case and what you prioritize (speeds, privacy, security, etc.)
So I'm not seeing many with protonvpn and tor. Protonvpn is great, and they have an option to connect using tor. Which I'm curious about, because, it did lock me out of internet for the web browser, and youtube music app. A 3rd party one I trusted enough to use. I added it to excluded app, and it didn't help. I wouldn't want to have to add the browser to excluded apps. Because doesn't that defeat the purpose?
REALLY BAD IDEA, REALLY BAD IDEA, IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT AT CONFIGURING NETWORKS AND ROUTING, YOU CAN EASILY DE ANONYMIZE YOURSELF. There's plenty of ways to make your self anonymous, and 100x as many to make a mistake while doing so.
@@greyshield6089 a simple explanation: Assume you are escaping a stalker. TOR: would keep you moving and whenever the stalker is close to you, you`d be moved (connection rerouting) immediately. On the other hand, your VPN provider would give you a safehouse. Entering the safehouse is very difficult, but it is still marked. TOR would keep rerouting your connection, your VPN provider would encrypt your connection. However, a knowledgeable and unethical hacker would be able to track you down eventually. Although the data would highly unlikely (almost impossible) be decrypted, the data flow is still vulnerable to be tracked. Hope this answers your question :)
@@ahmednassereddin994 Thank you for the clarifications, what is the best way to secure yourself on the internet from hackers/isp tracking, is it some sort of combination of tor and vpn?
@@greyshield6089 Well, going for a VPN is a good solution, if you are doing your everyday browsing. However, entering the deep and dark web should be done only through TOR. Nevertheless, entering the deep and dark web isn`t that really interesting, so I would not recommend the risk. The most important tip however is try to minimize what you share online. You can prevent trackers and hackers from exploiting you this way even if they get access to your rig.
@@ahmednassereddin994 Thank you for the valuable informations and sorry to take more of your time, but what did you mean exactly in your first comment by using tor and vpn simultaneously only of you know how to configure the latter, what kind of configuration were you referring to?
but then, the 2 in the second row are the wrong way around. i mean VPN over Tor, you isp cant see that ur using a vpn but can see ur using tor on the vpn side, thats just a silly mistake... anyway, an isp connection through tor looks less sus then a vpn connection to tor, you must be rly paranoid to do that shit for sure man.
@@user-jb1ox6lh3d Yeah but the only thing the ISP will know is the fact that you're using Tor, literally nothing else. What are they gonna do by knowing that you're on Tor? Not everyone goes on Tor for illegal activities, a lot of people just wanna surf the web or even look at harmless websites. Also once you're using a bridge they literally can't tell you're even using Tor because bridges use unpublished nodes and the ISP cannot detect their usage. If you use a VPN, you have to trust them not to log your traffic, so you're just shifting your security from the hands of your ISP to the VPN provider. It's safer in theory but not in practice because plenty of VPNs say they "don't log" but will log if the feds tell them to.
@@YeInsight bro i am in too much tension that i had surf hidden wiki on tor browser without vpn 3 to 4 minutes and then delete tor browser.Will my mobile personal data be safe or not such as phone number gmails acounts photos videoss????please reply
This is absolute bs i dont know who started this trend but tor gives way more security and privacy and a vpn can ever dream to achieve and the only benefit you would get by using tor with vpn is if tor is banned on your country and you cant connect to it but tor bridges do the job much better and tor and tor bridges are free
Give it a chance, to get Tor over VPN work with a Huawei B535-232 LTE Router? Or its possible to get worrk only TOR over the Router? Would work RUclips in this Case work without troubles?
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ISP doesn’t know you are using tor but if the vpn violates your privacy(proton doesn’t) your vpn provider will know. Don’t use American vpn provides, they hate you and want to violate your privacy.
Actually your idk does know that your on tor just cannot see websites you access but they do know your on tor
@@BirksyChillz not if its proton for example, zero logs, they don’t know. They don’t collect logs. So your so called “correction” is wrong.
@@Rubalixagreed proton is based in Switzerland anyway which means they can't legally share your data anyway due to Swiss privacy laws
@@Rubalix Nord VPN is much better
@@danzen6246 You must be incompetent, when you use Nord VPN they do exactly what your isp does (collect your data). When you use Proton VPN, you actually get privacy.
I always wonder which one to open first. VPN or Tor. Now I know VPN first. Thank you.
It does not matter what you do. If someone want to catch you, they will.
@@capulinifunny comment
@@capulininot if you know what you are doing
@@etano1701
Thats right. Don't be evil.
The tor developers state that you should NOT combine these unless you are an expert user.
I'm a exdarknet market admin and vendor. While he may be a "VPN pro"...Dudes wrong.
Glad to see your comment here..I follow your videos on a daily basis
Why though?
That’s nonsense, when you use a vpn before connecting to tor, all your isp sees is that you connected to a vpn, and all your vpn sees is that you’re connected to tor. I’m always connected to vpn 24/7, so when I boot up tor, it’s tor over vpn.
@@ChaceBonannohe’s talking garbage, see my comment above
@@JerryWhitaker804 yeah it also makes sense to have a vpn after the edit node so the website server gets the request from your vpn server, and doesn’t know you’re using Tor.
cant the goverment force the vpn to give out data and effectively unmasked the use of tor in the first place? it's funny he doesent even mention this as a possibility why is that?
Read the DNM bible
Because that’s only if you are using a crappy vpn that actually logs data most reputable vpn services don’t log data that way when the government shows up with a warrant there’s nothing to collect. A good representation of this is NordVPN when the government tried to collect their data and they were able to prove in court they had no data to collect
If they don’t keep logs and there nothing they can give
So having a vpn on tails would not be worth it?
What about two vpn, the first one on router and the second on phone.
It would be simpler just to use a multihop vpn wouldn't it?
@Brandon Dickerson I have Nord on router and surfshark on phone , that I meant
@@Deutsch-2Easy that is interesting, i want to know as well
That’s what I was thinking. Use 2 different VPN providers also. The request gets encrypted on phone for VPN 1, then Tor, then VPN 2. Then the phone send the request to ISP, the ISP sends it to VPN 2, VPN 2 decrypts their layer and sends it to Tor, it gets routed and decrypted through Tor to VPN 1, VPN 1 decrypts the requests and sends it, gets back the response and encrypts it then sends through Tor, Tor encrypts it and routes it VPN 2, VPN encrypts it and sends it to your ISP, your ISP sends the response to your phone and then it decrypts it for VPN 2, then Tor, then VPN 1.
You’d get the best of both worlds as far as security and privacy, just significantly reduced speeds. Your traffic’s protected at Tor’s exit nodes. Your ISP can’t see that you’re using Tor but can see that you’re using VPN provider 2. You can access sites that block Tor traffic. You can acces .onion sites. Tor entry nodes can’t see your real IP. I guess it depends on your use case and what you prioritize (speeds, privacy, security, etc.)
So I'm not seeing many with protonvpn and tor. Protonvpn is great, and they have an option to connect using tor. Which I'm curious about, because, it did lock me out of internet for the web browser, and youtube music app. A 3rd party one I trusted enough to use. I added it to excluded app, and it didn't help. I wouldn't want to have to add the browser to excluded apps. Because doesn't that defeat the purpose?
I use NordVPN Onion over VPN
Thanks sir John for the explanation....
How do you do « VPN over Tor » ?
When I connect to my VPN, the Tor connection is always over the VPN one
Idk but W pfp
REALLY BAD IDEA, REALLY BAD IDEA, IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT AT CONFIGURING NETWORKS AND ROUTING, YOU CAN EASILY DE ANONYMIZE YOURSELF.
There's plenty of ways to make your self anonymous, and 100x as many to make a mistake while doing so.
Finally! I can watch hentai and only my VPN provider will know! Thank you VPNpro!
DO NOT USE TOR AND VPN if you are accessing "fishy" websites, UNLESS you know well how to establish ur VPN correctly with tor.
Can you elaborate on that ?
@@greyshield6089 a simple explanation:
Assume you are escaping a stalker.
TOR: would keep you moving and whenever the stalker is close to you, you`d be moved (connection rerouting) immediately.
On the other hand, your VPN provider would give you a safehouse.
Entering the safehouse is very difficult, but it is still marked.
TOR would keep rerouting your connection, your VPN provider would encrypt your connection. However, a knowledgeable and unethical hacker would be able to track you down eventually. Although the data would highly unlikely (almost impossible) be decrypted, the data flow is still vulnerable to be tracked.
Hope this answers your question :)
@@ahmednassereddin994 Thank you for the clarifications, what is the best way to secure yourself on the internet from hackers/isp tracking, is it some sort of combination of tor and vpn?
@@greyshield6089 Well, going for a VPN is a good solution, if you are doing your everyday browsing. However, entering the deep and dark web should be done only through TOR. Nevertheless, entering the deep and dark web isn`t that really interesting, so I would not recommend the risk.
The most important tip however is try to minimize what you share online. You can prevent trackers and hackers from exploiting you this way even if they get access to your rig.
@@ahmednassereddin994 Thank you for the valuable informations and sorry to take more of your time, but what did you mean exactly in your first comment by using tor and vpn simultaneously only of you know how to configure the latter, what kind of configuration were you referring to?
Please, what does "over" mean for the case?
I think it just means picking one over another because it doesn’t say anything bout using both. Like if you were to use a VPN on top of using Tor
@@bottomtext5473yes that’s correct
@@bottomtext5473thanks it makes sense now
but then, the 2 in the second row are the wrong way around. i mean VPN over Tor, you isp cant see that ur using a vpn but can see ur using tor on the vpn side, thats just a silly mistake... anyway, an isp connection through tor looks less sus then a vpn connection to tor, you must be rly paranoid to do that shit for sure man.
Just use a bridge if you don't want your ISP to see it?
@@user-jb1ox6lh3d Yeah but the only thing the ISP will know is the fact that you're using Tor, literally nothing else. What are they gonna do by knowing that you're on Tor? Not everyone goes on Tor for illegal activities, a lot of people just wanna surf the web or even look at harmless websites. Also once you're using a bridge they literally can't tell you're even using Tor because bridges use unpublished nodes and the ISP cannot detect their usage. If you use a VPN, you have to trust them not to log your traffic, so you're just shifting your security from the hands of your ISP to the VPN provider. It's safer in theory but not in practice because plenty of VPNs say they "don't log" but will log if the feds tell them to.
@@YeInsight bro i am in too much tension that i had surf hidden wiki on tor browser without vpn 3 to 4 minutes and then delete tor browser.Will my mobile personal data be safe or not such as phone number gmails acounts photos videoss????please reply
@@YeInsight i am in soo much tension
@@fitnessshort3452 you’re fine lol nothing’s gonna happen. You just went on hidden wiki right?
@@YeInsight i had not used vpnn
This is absolute bs i dont know who started this trend but tor gives way more security and privacy and a vpn can ever dream to achieve and the only benefit you would get by using tor with vpn is if tor is banned on your country and you cant connect to it but tor bridges do the job much better and tor and tor bridges are free
No, you are exposed to the entry node and you don’t know who’s behind it
the tor circut changes every 15 minutes so an malicious entry node wont spy on you for long and it wont be able to gain all the info@@etano1701
Give it a chance, to get Tor over VPN work with a Huawei B535-232 LTE Router? Or its possible to get worrk only TOR over the Router? Would work RUclips in this Case work without troubles?