There is no denying that Gm Wong Shun Leung was truly one of GGM IP MAN most famous students.He fought the real fights.He earned the name "Gong Sau Wong" The King of Talking with hands.
watch his feet & positioning ,,,,when he strikes ,,,the jong,,, thats the difference,,,max power ,,,, well respected in martial arts circle in hkg pity he passed away too young,, his Son Benjamin has carried on his work ,,,xing chun sifu
I'm a Brit who has lived in Taiwan for eight years, i started learning from Ip Man's nephew and as a total novice was not impressed at all. I now study Gary Lam/ Wongs lineage and the difference is totally different. Westerners here hear the name Ip man and are sold already and are not willing to open their eyes! All that shines is not gold, just look at wong's students all of whom are top notch!
I've not practiced in a while and don't mean to bad mouth different lineages but Sam kwok is so over rated, even his too students make all the same mistakes and its bad practices like those that make people say wing chun is useless. It's like anything, if you learn it wrong it's not great.
What's important if it works for you ... that is all! Geez, people; a fight is a fight is a fight. Whether WSL or YP or even someone else (like, for example, Wang Xiang Zhai), does it really ultimately make a difference ... unless it works???
Mofotox, you are right - according to the , let's say the 'legend', WSL implemented many modifications in the WC training and this modifications were previously discussed with Ip Man. Regarding the true to the art, well I think the principles are the most important, the movements or tehnics are secondary. As WSL use to say:be a master of the art, not its slave.
Good video. Thanks for sharing. Very respect to Master Wong Shun Leung. Almost all the wooden dummy actions I learnt are in the video. This is great to see how the different streams being evolve over the time. 2 thoughts - the actions sequence was different with Ip Man's wooden dummy form. Can check youtube - 木樁 Wooden Dummy. 1 out the 8 kicking forms was missed. LOL it is difficult to remember all actions exactly. Also an opponent (even partner) wealth using wooden dummy actions is rare.
I have only been doing Ving Tsun on and off for a total of three years and I am pretty average but I still probably have a better understanding of Ving Tsun than you do if you emulate 'Ip Ching'.
@synkronyk he wasn't lazy. just not interested. he preferred to teach music arts. he only began teach because of bruce lees rise to stardom and his father's desire for him to.
yes, that is true. According to most accounts, he was winning, but when he knocked the opponent down, the opponent issued a kick that hit the right spot, apparently. His students argue that Wong was feeling ill before and during the match, though. I think in one of Wong's books, one of his students gives the full version of what happened.
That's your opinion, but I disagree. Similarities are there, but Wong's Wooden Dummy form is very different, he was the REAL successor to Ip Man and passed on the BEST lineage of Ving Tsun. Ip Ching forms are a disaster in my opinion. Like I've said to others, his forms are mixture of ballroom dancing and The Village People's YMCA Video.
Hi everyone! Is this the complete form? Or is he leaving something out? I thought for example that the 6th set would be the mirror image of set 5. Thanks for your feedback
i agree with your statement. but have u seen any of the old man's students making the system poorer? and yes they all do it a bit different. i think it was because back then a sifu wouldn't teach a big group of students at one time, unlike now a days.
May I ask you a question, ozzie 1246: if the wing chun passed down to si-gung's 2 sons are so pure, how come they (sifu yip ching & sifu yip chun) perform the forms so differently? Also, it would be nice if you get your facts right before stating them here. You said yip ching, the elder, passed the BJD to sifu kwok, but any wing chun person knows that sifu yip ching is the younger of the 2. My post isn't a critertism on anyone's wing chun. I'm simply highlighting FACTS
Here how his name is written after today´s standards (romanizations) + a links: Wong Shun-leung (cantonese); Huang Chunliang (mandarin) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Shun-leung hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=36286&display_set=eng Cheers
Mofotox, any martial art (anything in the world, actually) will change as time goes by. Students will change their master's techniques; few of them will improve the style, the others will make it poorer. Such is life. Ip Man wasn't a god but a human being, and as such he wasn't perfect. Ip Man himself changed the WC he was thought from his masters (that's why some think his WC was lacking something important). He changed movements and principles too. Wasn't him a good master then?
I expect more from him really, I dont think he performed this well at all. Watching ip ching and ip chun I don't feel he learnt much from ip man at all
If I were preferring to maintain my skill level purely on the traditional Wing Chun style through Ip Man, I would either find a club that teaches through the Ip Chun lineage or preferably Samuel Kwok. Samuel Kwok was taught by both of the brothers but Ip Chun is by far the better and Sam Kwoks forms are smooth like Ip Chun except he has kept his as Ip Man did them. Ip Chun has changed Cham Kiu slightly. Ip Ching is poor, no offence meant but I don't rate him. If traditional follow Kwok or Chun.
There is no Ip Man form - each of his students does it slightly differently. The execution of the parts shown is very good - you can the dummy moving but he isn’t bobbing back and forward or leaning backwards (the classic mistakes).
@@NapoleonGelignite honestly his he said is phenomenal, he just looks like he forgot the sequence and hesitated a lot and doesn't use a lot of hionturning power or dlforeatd intent and leaves the dummies arms too much without enough stick , I don't think the mok jong was his specialty
@@SessleIsosceles - - I suspect he deliberately edited the form to prevent copying. Yes, WSL wasn’t the best at dummy - I think that was Ho Kam Ming was the dummy expert. WSL was the expert at applying the WC concepts to fighting. His background in boxing was a big part of his interpretation.
@@SessleIsosceles - boxing is great. It is very underrated by martial artists, mostly because they hate learning from sparring boxers that ‘techniques’ don’t work. WC taught me about the relationship between body-structure and leverage power. My friend is (was) an amateur boxer. He would laugh at my Wing Tsun attempts and just jab jab jab. I was zero threat to him. When I’d done a couple of years of WSL family and we did some more training he was very interested in what I was doing. He was really impressed with some of the Po Pai in particular. Still any boxer should be respected as dangerous.
There is no denying that Gm Wong Shun Leung was truly one of GGM IP MAN most famous students.He fought the real fights.He earned the name "Gong Sau Wong" The King of Talking with hands.
Thanks for posting! Wong Shun Leung is my Sigung, Gary Lam is my Sifu. Appreciate it! :)
watch his feet & positioning ,,,,when he strikes ,,,the jong,,,
thats the difference,,,max power ,,,,
well respected in martial arts circle in hkg pity he passed away too young,,
his Son Benjamin has carried on his work ,,,xing chun sifu
I'm a Brit who has lived in Taiwan for eight years, i started learning from Ip Man's nephew and as a total novice was not impressed at all. I now study Gary Lam/ Wongs lineage and the difference is totally different. Westerners here hear the name Ip man and are sold already and are not willing to open their eyes!
All that shines is not gold, just look at wong's students all of whom are top notch!
I've not practiced in a while and don't mean to bad mouth different lineages but Sam kwok is so over rated, even his too students make all the same mistakes and its bad practices like those that make people say wing chun is useless. It's like anything, if you learn it wrong it's not great.
One of the best!
What's important if it works for you ... that is all!
Geez, people; a fight is a fight is a fight.
Whether WSL or YP or even someone else (like, for example, Wang Xiang Zhai), does it really ultimately make a difference ... unless it works???
Very good!!!
Mofotox, you are right - according to the , let's say the 'legend', WSL implemented many modifications in the WC training and this modifications were previously discussed with Ip Man. Regarding the true to the art, well I think the principles are the most important, the movements or tehnics are secondary. As WSL use to say:be a master of the art, not its slave.
Good video. Thanks for sharing.
Very respect to Master Wong Shun Leung.
Almost all the wooden dummy actions I learnt are in the video. This is great to see how the different streams being evolve over the time. 2 thoughts - the actions sequence was different with Ip Man's wooden dummy form. Can check youtube - 木樁 Wooden Dummy. 1 out the 8 kicking forms was missed. LOL it is difficult to remember all actions exactly. Also an opponent (even partner) wealth using wooden dummy actions is rare.
WSL the best, nice smooth and controlled style!
I have only been doing Ving Tsun on and off for a total of three years and I am pretty average but I still probably have a better understanding of Ving Tsun than you do if you emulate 'Ip Ching'.
@synkronyk he wasn't lazy. just not interested. he preferred to teach music arts. he only began teach because of bruce lees rise to stardom and his father's desire for him to.
nice video were he analyse his mouvement
yes, that is true. According to most accounts, he was winning, but when he knocked the opponent down, the opponent issued a kick that hit the right spot, apparently. His students argue that Wong was feeling ill before and during the match, though. I think in one of Wong's books, one of his students gives the full version of what happened.
That's your opinion, but I disagree. Similarities are there, but Wong's Wooden Dummy form is very different, he was the REAL successor to Ip Man and passed on the BEST lineage of Ving Tsun.
Ip Ching forms are a disaster in my opinion. Like I've said to others, his forms are mixture of ballroom dancing and The Village People's YMCA Video.
@dk914 Well said. LOL. Precisely dude. Slow, precise and focused. Some crack head thinks they need to do it fast to show how good they are. Wrong!
@cornwallgeezer
Agree with u cornwallgeezer. The WSL lineage is just spectacular.
Ah ... The Great Wong!
Hi everyone! Is this the complete form? Or is he leaving something out? I thought for example that the 6th set would be the mirror image of set 5. Thanks for your feedback
He is doing the complete form on the right side. The left side is to be practiced by the student.
i dont wanna offend people but yeah... look at wong shun leung or Philipp bayer doing chi sao and then compare it to the hand chasing of others
@Nephronial
I agree. If your Sifu make up any move, he should say which parts are his make up.
thank you for the info
cool, may i ask who your instructors are and were you train?
gary is my sifu.right now he has a private student from texas from dallas i think ,he is planing on opening his own school
i agree with your statement. but have u seen any of the old man's students making the system poorer? and yes they all do it a bit different. i think it was because back then a sifu wouldn't teach a big group of students at one time, unlike now a days.
May I ask you a question, ozzie 1246: if the wing chun passed down to si-gung's 2 sons are so pure, how come they (sifu yip ching & sifu yip chun) perform the forms so differently?
Also, it would be nice if you get your facts right before stating them here. You said yip ching, the elder, passed the BJD to sifu kwok, but any wing chun person knows that sifu yip ching is the younger of the 2.
My post isn't a critertism on anyone's wing chun. I'm simply highlighting FACTS
Wong Shun Leung wing Chun wooden dummy 117 Mok Yang Jong forms
Here how his name is written after today´s standards (romanizations) + a links:
Wong Shun-leung (cantonese); Huang Chunliang (mandarin)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Shun-leung
hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=36286&display_set=eng
Cheers
We know this guy was good and he had fights. But wish i could see them.
does sifu lam have any students teaching ih houston texas?
Mofotox, any martial art (anything in the world, actually) will change as time goes by. Students will change their master's techniques; few of them will improve the style, the others will make it poorer. Such is life. Ip Man wasn't a god but a human being, and as such he wasn't perfect.
Ip Man himself changed the WC he was thought from his masters (that's why some think his WC was lacking something important).
He changed movements and principles too. Wasn't him a good master then?
Excelentisimo
Thanks
What's this guy actually doing here?
Perfectly
You do know he taught Bruce Lee most of his wing chun, yeah?
the chi sao is very different tho
Always do deliberately wrong front of the camera hiding something to us ;)
When I see dislikes I wonder what those people came here for!!?
All myrespect...to one first students of yip man....this....is the heredity
I expect more from him really, I dont think he performed this well at all. Watching ip ching and ip chun I don't feel he learnt much from ip man at all
WTF
If I were preferring to maintain my skill level purely on the traditional Wing Chun style through Ip Man, I would either find a club that teaches through the Ip Chun lineage or preferably Samuel Kwok. Samuel Kwok was taught by both of the brothers but Ip Chun is by far the better and Sam Kwoks forms are smooth like Ip Chun except he has kept his as Ip Man did them. Ip Chun has changed Cham Kiu slightly. Ip Ching is poor, no offence meant but I don't rate him. If traditional follow Kwok or Chun.
Too bad this dummy form is not even close to the original form from Yip man himself
Not Ip man form, bad execution, missing many parts
There is no Ip Man form - each of his students does it slightly differently. The execution of the parts shown is very good - you can the dummy moving but he isn’t bobbing back and forward or leaning backwards (the classic mistakes).
@@NapoleonGelignite honestly his he said is phenomenal, he just looks like he forgot the sequence and hesitated a lot and doesn't use a lot of hionturning power or dlforeatd intent and leaves the dummies arms too much without enough stick , I don't think the mok jong was his specialty
@@SessleIsosceles - - I suspect he deliberately edited the form to prevent copying.
Yes, WSL wasn’t the best at dummy - I think that was Ho Kam Ming was the dummy expert. WSL was the expert at applying the WC concepts to fighting. His background in boxing was a big part of his interpretation.
@@NapoleonGelignite I too love mixing my boxing with my WC, and why I respect sifu's that do the same !
@@SessleIsosceles - boxing is great. It is very underrated by martial artists, mostly because they hate learning from sparring boxers that ‘techniques’ don’t work. WC taught me about the relationship between body-structure and leverage power.
My friend is (was) an amateur boxer. He would laugh at my Wing Tsun attempts and just jab jab jab. I was zero threat to him.
When I’d done a couple of years of WSL family and we did some more training he was very interested in what I was doing. He was really impressed with some of the Po Pai in particular. Still any boxer should be respected as dangerous.