I'm assuming the stringing is done with 2 pieces still - wouldn't the tensions just even out over time? I wonder if there's a way to see how each string's tension holds after 10hrs, or if after all that adjustment and effort in tweaking each line's tension individually, after 6hrs of play it all averaged out anyway.
Most likely true for soft strings like synthetic gut. polyester strings are likely stay in place, but their elasticity is not as durable as compare to synthetic gut
@@JusTennis I also highly doubt it that the tension would stay for very long. Imagine you are pulling at 60lb + initially with your line 1, 2, then near line 7, 8 you are at 34lb... you are not "locking" the individual lines' tension - you are only relying on the grommet to somehow maintaining the tension, which it wouldn't - especially at that kind of differential. I think realistically almost immediately after you done stringing the tension difference wouldn't be at whatever you strung each individual lines - but already much lower - as by the time you hit your side strings, the strings near the middle would have given quite a bit of tension already. The reason why everything felt softer is your entire string is a lower tension setup. It would be interesting to test the individual strings' tension right after the stringing job to see how close they are compared to "the spec", and then after 6 hours of hitting see how the tension is distributed. I'm fairly certain that even immediately after you string it - the tension would be a bit different from what you attempted, then after 6 hours of good hitting it would simply be a lower tension set up - which is why it felt softer.
I'd like to compliment you on the thoughtful way you conducted your test. Given the constraints that we, non-professional tennis players have, you did a very nice job in comparing the two and discussing the outcome.
Conventional method forces you to hit the ball at sweet spot every time, which is good for developing good game and beneficial for long term. Sergetti on other hand offers cheat code and one should not relay on it. This is really honest and trustworthy review. Thanks for making such a great video with so many participants, such long time and so much work 🙏
@@JusTennis no thank you sir, For such a elaborate and scientific research and dedicated such hard work, smart work and time. I've immediately subscribed to your channel. Hope you'd keep making such good quality content. Best of luck.
It may appear that shorter strings receive more weight per length during stringing. However, the tensioned string is in fact longer than the piece that is later clamped on the racket head. Also the strings on the sides are beeing bent at the gromets a lot during the tensioning progress and receive less of the weight even without any Sergetti method. Another point is: while it might feel soft and nice during ground rallyes, it still has to prove itself during matches on serves, volleys and everywhere you need control. Maybe thats something for another video then. :)
@@JusTennis I have and I'm afraid I experienced a gradual tension equalisation after about an hour and a greater loss of control which made perfect sense to me. I also experienced a greater instability during the first hour which also made sense to me. All in all, similar to your users in your video. Proportional stringing is nothing new but what is new, is aggressive marketing and jazzy websites with grandiose claims which are not supported by any proper published scientific data and papers with independent experiments, which is Sergetti.
After playing with Sergetti for about two years I've switched to proportional method (longer strings, higher tension) with some adjustments depending on a racket and stability across it's stringbed. Sergetti definetly over-cooks some tensions and I no longer trust their mystery methodology.
@@JusTennis have you had any high level player's test it? Like 5.0 or above level? Curious because high level racket head swing speed, spin and power are much higher so can the ball still be controlled by sergetti stringing method?
The real bonus of sergetti is the higher tension on the middle crosses. The standard method does not consider the friction with the mains so basically even if you put the same tension on the machine the crosses are always looser
Higher tension in the mid crosses = harsher off center hits, not good... yeah at the same tension the crosses are always looser, racquet frames are manufactured on this purpose to prevent warping
@@nakmuay5034 not my experience. With sergetti I have a much better feeling, control and forgiveness. The external mains are so loose that on off center shots you get a nice response.
i get what you saying but with large sweet spot and higher 60 pounds did your feedback say there was less control because maybe the tighter strings near the frame created a slight directional advantage in your shot. This is real deep thinking!!
Having a bigger "sweet spot" is not necessarily a good thing. It can make the stringbed feel mushy and gives less feedback about how well you hit the shot. I find I need this feedback to properly calibrate my strokes.
i have a video idea for you. Try string only the first few mains and crosses and see what its like to play! So if you miss hit the ball it goes through the racket, unless its in the middle side because the cross strings will still be there but without any mains if you know what i mean.
@@JusTennis maybe string the mains as per usual but tie off after like 3 on each side, and the crosses with a starting knott from the middle instead of the throat or head. I'd love to try it myself but Alu power is expensive 😅
This is great information. Thanks for making this video. I string my own rackets too and have not heard of the Sergetti method. Do you tie knots onto the mains to prevent the higher tension middle-mains from loosing tension to the looser outer-mains?
@@JusTennis interesting. I would imagine that after a couple hours of hitting that the initially varying tensions would even out some across the mains.
@@elliottkittel7444 that's the general debate across the board, but i think a more relevant question is whether "How much" the tension would even out across the entire string bed, considering the stiffiness of the string and friction against the grommet and each cross sections
sergetti method seems like a gimmick to me. doesnt matter what tension you do to different strings. After a few hits, all the strings will even out (due to the fact that not every string is tied off). so eventually, the racket will just even out to a base tension...the whole thing makes no sense.
Thanks so much for this video! I've been using the Sergetti method for almost half a year now and I really like it mostly for what seems to me like the prolonged "durability". I'm not a string breaker at all (I've maybe broken strings 3-4 times in 37 years of playing), but I definitely feel when my poly strings lose their tension and balls start flying off my racquet. Sergetti seems to keep the "liveliness" of my strings a bit longer. I also really like the comfort from off center hits (no shock on the arm). But as you mentioned, this might be leading to sloppier play. Maybe I should switch back to conventional stringing to see if my play improves... :)
To prevent string equalization, you just need to tie off every single string individually! This is an absolutely absurd premise for stringing a racket. Don’t you think every USTA master stringer would be using it at the pro level? Don’t you think they’ve all tried it at some point?
It'd typically double the time for stringer with this method, which is not practical at professional tournaments, it may mess up the workload or the tournaments may need to hire 2x the stringers to make it work
@@JusTennis Just my 5 cents to the topic. I know that some pros do the same string tension. A few strings with loser tension. For example Karatsev, his PT57A become more rounded. My experience says me that this string technology is a crap. Classic strings method is a good bro in your tennis.
The pitch on the conventional racquet was much higher than the new red one after a month... not sure what you are talking about but this seems like a failed experiment
You are stringing at 55lbs. That's Nadal's ultra control tension. What about comparing the custom string at 55lbs down to 30lbs to the same racquet strung at 50-51lbs. A looser string. The power needed by the average player at 55lbs (you) is not the average recommended tension. A looser string might last longer.
@@JusTennis I know this. 2lbs is a decent amount and 55lbs would be fir power hitters with huge weighted racquets, like most professionals. My income is not based on my tennis. I don't play for money, hence I don't string a 360gr. racquet with 55lb string tension. The claah unweighted is about 317-320gr strung. Yes, The flex of it. Still, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. You wouldn't take Nadal's 2004 Aeropro Drive 100sq in and string it with 48lbs. It would be almost uncontrollable. Especially weighted. I think, that company is trying to customize the sweetspot but, it takes a 55lb racquet and almost makes it play like a weird 51lb or so racquet. Strings are touching each other. They aren't separate entities and then are connected to a racquet, then your hand. They all are felt and work together. Its not like playing with one string to serve, another to volley, another to hit groundstrokes and another to return. Physics os physics. -Again, great video.
This entire method assumes a higher tension for shorter strings. Absolutely not true, what I have my electronic tensioner set to as I tension, is exactly what the string is tensioned at. I guess this entire time, string machine manufactures have been wrong.
You honestly dont want a very big sweetspot on your tennis racket. It may feel good and make you think like you're hitting good shots everywhere, but in reality these shots are not good. You really dont need to make your sweet spot bigger to fix this problem. Just learn from your mistakes and improve your game to where you are consistently hitting in the sweet spot. Otherwise, you are never going to learn to hit properly. Not a good idea in my opinion.
I hit twice stronger than anyone in this video and I am yet to broke any string ever in my life. ever... I restring around ( alt least) 40 hours, use poly only at 24-25 kgs. they are usually feeling a bit dead after 20 hrs but never broke a string despite full power flat serves, full power smashes that includes too many miscenter contacts. some racquets tend to broke strings more often than some. my racquet is pure drive now which is stiff, I think it has a role in it.
I'm assuming the stringing is done with 2 pieces still - wouldn't the tensions just even out over time? I wonder if there's a way to see how each string's tension holds after 10hrs, or if after all that adjustment and effort in tweaking each line's tension individually, after 6hrs of play it all averaged out anyway.
Most likely true for soft strings like synthetic gut. polyester strings are likely stay in place, but their elasticity is not as durable as compare to synthetic gut
@@JusTennis I doubt it, id be surprised if the tension hasnt equalized after a few hours of hitting.
@@Jackripster69 it's debatable
@@JusTennis I also highly doubt it that the tension would stay for very long. Imagine you are pulling at 60lb + initially with your line 1, 2, then near line 7, 8 you are at 34lb... you are not "locking" the individual lines' tension - you are only relying on the grommet to somehow maintaining the tension, which it wouldn't - especially at that kind of differential. I think realistically almost immediately after you done stringing the tension difference wouldn't be at whatever you strung each individual lines - but already much lower - as by the time you hit your side strings, the strings near the middle would have given quite a bit of tension already. The reason why everything felt softer is your entire string is a lower tension setup.
It would be interesting to test the individual strings' tension right after the stringing job to see how close they are compared to "the spec", and then after 6 hours of hitting see how the tension is distributed. I'm fairly certain that even immediately after you string it - the tension would be a bit different from what you attempted, then after 6 hours of good hitting it would simply be a lower tension set up - which is why it felt softer.
@Major Major that would take some sophisticated machine to do that kind of testing for sure
I'd like to compliment you on the thoughtful way you conducted your test. Given the constraints that we, non-professional tennis players have, you did a very nice job in comparing the two and discussing the outcome.
Appreciate the compliment sir🙏
Conventional method forces you to hit the ball at sweet spot every time, which is good for developing good game and beneficial for long term. Sergetti on other hand offers cheat code and one should not relay on it.
This is really honest and trustworthy review.
Thanks for making such a great video with so many participants, such long time and so much work 🙏
Thanks for view and elaborated comment
@@JusTennis no thank you sir,
For such a elaborate and scientific research and dedicated such hard work, smart work and time.
I've immediately subscribed to your channel. Hope you'd keep making such good quality content.
Best of luck.
Keep up the videos! This is the first video I'm seeing of yours and I can tell you that this channel can grow alot! Here from before 200 subs
Thumbs 👍 up to your channel also, can't get enough of those courst level view action
Super well made video! Also I never thought about the longer strings being less tention than the end main strings.
Super interesting.
Actually, a longer string would feel "softer" than the shorter string if they were to tension the same
@@JusTennis oh yeah, thats what i meant to say
0:47 Racket makes me feel like I’m under a genjutsu
I pulled off amaterasu a few times on the court
It may appear that shorter strings receive more weight per length during stringing. However, the tensioned string is in fact longer than the piece that is later clamped on the racket head. Also the strings on the sides are beeing bent at the gromets a lot during the tensioning progress and receive less of the weight even without any Sergetti method. Another point is: while it might feel soft and nice during ground rallyes, it still has to prove itself during matches on serves, volleys and everywhere you need control. Maybe thats something for another video then. :)
Good points, perhaps next time
Just found this video. Love the research you put in it. I’m now a subscriber ! Cheers
For sho fo sho
Very useful video. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
glad that you found it useful, you should give it a try!
@@JusTennis I have and I'm afraid I experienced a gradual tension equalisation after about an hour and a greater loss of control which made perfect sense to me. I also experienced a greater instability during the first hour which also made sense to me. All in all, similar to your users in your video. Proportional stringing is nothing new but what is new, is aggressive marketing and jazzy websites with grandiose claims which are not supported by any proper published scientific data and papers with independent experiments, which is Sergetti.
After playing with Sergetti for about two years I've switched to proportional method (longer strings, higher tension) with some adjustments depending on a racket and stability across it's stringbed. Sergetti definetly over-cooks some tensions and I no longer trust their mystery methodology.
Good to know, thanks, I will need to look up proportional stringing now
Love the tennis elbow acting :))) Great video!!
Appreciate the love ❤️ ❤️
high quality and informative content. Loved the inclusion of all sorts of players on a variety of levels and their feedback 👍
the only fair way to do any tennis review
@@JusTennis have you had any high level player's test it? Like 5.0 or above level? Curious because high level racket head swing speed, spin and power are much higher so can the ball still be controlled by sergetti stringing method?
@@allboutthemojo no, the highest level is 4.5
The real bonus of sergetti is the higher tension on the middle crosses. The standard method does not consider the friction with the mains so basically even if you put the same tension on the machine the crosses are always looser
Higher tension in the mid crosses = harsher off center hits, not good... yeah at the same tension the crosses are always looser, racquet frames are manufactured on this purpose to prevent warping
@@nakmuay5034 not my experience. With sergetti I have a much better feeling, control and forgiveness. The external mains are so loose that on off center shots you get a nice response.
i get what you saying but with large sweet spot and higher 60 pounds did your feedback say there was less control because maybe the tighter strings near the frame created a slight directional advantage in your shot. This is real deep thinking!!
I lost you there, sorry
Having a bigger "sweet spot" is not necessarily a good thing. It can make the stringbed feel mushy and gives less feedback about how well you hit the shot. I find I need this feedback to properly calibrate my strokes.
Couldn't agree more sir
To me "big sweetspot" just means consistent response across entire stringbed - be it firm everywhere or soft everywhere.
👍 agree
i have a video idea for you. Try string only the first few mains and crosses and see what its like to play!
So if you miss hit the ball it goes through the racket, unless its in the middle side because the cross strings will still be there but without any mains if you know what i mean.
Will need to figure out how to string that, great idea for for sure
@@JusTennis maybe string the mains as per usual but tie off after like 3 on each side, and the crosses with a starting knott from the middle instead of the throat or head.
I'd love to try it myself but Alu power is expensive 😅
Solinco confidential is fairly cheap, anyway, do you get annual pass to the Australian open every year?
Love the humor!
Hey, love the comment
This is great information. Thanks for making this video. I string my own rackets too and have not heard of the Sergetti method. Do you tie knots onto the mains to prevent the higher tension middle-mains from loosing tension to the looser outer-mains?
tie the knots just like you normally would for both two piece and one piece
@@JusTennis interesting. I would imagine that after a couple hours of hitting that the initially varying tensions would even out some across the mains.
@@elliottkittel7444 that's the general debate across the board, but i think a more relevant question is whether "How much" the tension would even out across the entire string bed, considering the stiffiness of the string and friction against the grommet and each cross sections
fresh content. great video!
Fresh view, great comment 👌 👍
sergetti method seems like a gimmick to me. doesnt matter what tension you do to different strings. After a few hits, all the strings will even out (due to the fact that not every string is tied off). so eventually, the racket will just even out to a base tension...the whole thing makes no sense.
It sure does when I first heard about it, but the only way to validate was to tried it out myself and have others to test them out also
We use the same string !!! Let me know I have deal with diadem I’ll get you a discount. Love your videos man!!!
How do I contact you? 🤔
great video no cheap codes
Thanks so much for this video! I've been using the Sergetti method for almost half a year now and I really like it mostly for what seems to me like the prolonged "durability". I'm not a string breaker at all (I've maybe broken strings 3-4 times in 37 years of playing), but I definitely feel when my poly strings lose their tension and balls start flying off my racquet. Sergetti seems to keep the "liveliness" of my strings a bit longer. I also really like the comfort from off center hits (no shock on the arm). But as you mentioned, this might be leading to sloppier play. Maybe I should switch back to conventional stringing to see if my play improves... :)
that's great, it's one of those thing that it's not for everybody
To prevent string equalization, you just need to tie off every single string individually!
This is an absolutely absurd premise for stringing a racket. Don’t you think every USTA master stringer would be using it at the pro level? Don’t you think they’ve all tried it at some point?
It'd typically double the time for stringer with this method, which is not practical at professional tournaments, it may mess up the workload or the tournaments may need to hire 2x the stringers to make it work
I bought the sheet and took it to the people that string my racket. They said they arent able to do it. Their machine isnt capable.
Looks like Ivan Lendl stringing interesting thanks
heard he's meticulous when comes to string tension, maybe sergetti method is somewhat inherited from that concept
Useful and low key funny 😂
Glad you think so!
awesome video my friend
Glad That u found it help...ful
love the edit (:
I wonder if some pros string like this🤔
I think their website does claim one of the atp pro uses sergetti method
Very good comparison!
Appreciate it, I tried:)
@@JusTennis Yes, I could see that you spent quite some time to compile all these. Thumb up!
@asd yea, about a month worth of planning/scheduling
Nice job, bro. Respect.
Thanks bro
@@JusTennis Just my 5 cents to the topic. I know that some pros do the same string tension. A few strings with loser tension. For example Karatsev, his PT57A become more rounded. My experience says me that this string technology is a crap. Classic strings method is a good bro in your tennis.
Fundemental and techniques are always king
The pitch on the conventional racquet was much higher than the new red one after a month... not sure what you are talking about but this seems like a failed experiment
It's difficult to tell
You are stringing at 55lbs. That's Nadal's ultra control tension. What about comparing the custom string at 55lbs down to 30lbs to the same racquet strung at 50-51lbs. A looser string. The power needed by the average player at 55lbs (you) is not the average recommended tension. A looser string might last longer.
55lb is only 2 lb above the mid tension for clash 98
@@JusTennis I know this. 2lbs is a decent amount and 55lbs would be fir power hitters with huge weighted racquets, like most professionals. My income is not based on my tennis. I don't play for money, hence I don't string a 360gr. racquet with 55lb string tension. The claah unweighted is about 317-320gr strung. Yes, The flex of it. Still, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. You wouldn't take Nadal's 2004 Aeropro Drive 100sq in and string it with 48lbs. It would be almost uncontrollable. Especially weighted. I think, that company is trying to customize the sweetspot but, it takes a 55lb racquet and almost makes it play like a weird 51lb or so racquet. Strings are touching each other. They aren't separate entities and then are connected to a racquet, then your hand. They all are felt and work together. Its not like playing with one string to serve, another to volley, another to hit groundstrokes and another to return. Physics os physics. -Again, great video.
Gotcha, points taken 👍
Thanks dude. Saved me $20. Dont see how one off center shot can help you on the next shot on a totally different ball
This entire method assumes a higher tension for shorter strings. Absolutely not true, what I have my electronic tensioner set to as I tension, is exactly what the string is tensioned at. I guess this entire time, string machine manufactures have been wrong.
Same tension on shorter string feels more stiff, not higher tension on shorter string
@@JusTennis I see, thanks.
Np
You honestly dont want a very big sweetspot on your tennis racket. It may feel good and make you think like you're hitting good shots everywhere, but in reality these shots are not good. You really dont need to make your sweet spot bigger to fix this problem. Just learn from your mistakes and improve your game to where you are consistently hitting in the sweet spot. Otherwise, you are never going to learn to hit properly. Not a good idea in my opinion.
Agree
That’s interesting
I was intrigued initially too
I hit twice stronger than anyone in this video and I am yet to broke any string ever in my life. ever... I restring around ( alt least) 40 hours, use poly only at 24-25 kgs. they are usually feeling a bit dead after 20 hrs but never broke a string despite full power flat serves, full power smashes that includes too many miscenter contacts. some racquets tend to broke strings more often than some. my racquet is pure drive now which is stiff, I think it has a role in it.
good for you
Same I have only broke one set of strings all my life from age 7 to now
@@vasDcrak must be a extremely durable set of string
it may be the hitting style, too much spin users can load the strings more aggresively
Sounds like a hong kong person talking
Sergetti was utter garbage. The fact that there are 0 pros using it says it all.