OK BUT LIKE, THE FACT THAT MEPHILES COMES IN WITH THE SUCKER PUNCH, TRYING TO GET SHADOW WITH "THE ATTACK THAT KILLS SONIC" WHICH SHADOW JUST, SIDESTEPS, ALL COOL AND SHIT?!
@@theegg9631to be fair, Generations makes it very obvious that everyone had gotten way stronger. Sonic beat Perfect Chaos who he previously needed to power up to beat and Shadow single handedly beat Metal Overlord, someone who needed 3 Super Forms to defeat.
@@Keisezrgsand hell Shadow's power with his black doom dna in full use is basically equal to a Super Form, he doesnt even NEED Chaos Emeralds now if he learned to use this part of him fully instead of letting Black Doom awaken it
The final scene of Shadow shedding a tear has extra significance, because Sega had special mandates on how Shadow can be portrayed in games for over a decade. One of those rules? Shadow can never cry on screen. This game is telling us that Shadow is allowed to evolve and be vulnerable again. He is no longer stuck in time.
Dude the idea of Mephiles as this being who was literally erased from the world, that desperately just wants to exist as a part of the timeline again goes so fucking hard
Bro was literally on the verge of consuming all dimensions but got taken out by 3 furries clonking his head enough times to knock him out just long enough for a depressed teenage girl to erase him from existence by just blowing out a candle. I'd be calling for a runback too ngl.
Guy could've won so easily but decided to make it harder on himself just so he could be more evil towards Sonic and Elise. Now he just wants to exist again? Badass.
On the subject of Mephiles, if you pay close attention, you can tell that he's actually from AFTER the events of Sonic 06, after being erased from history. When the fight starts, he says, "I'll defeat you, and RESTORE MYSELF TO THE TIMELINE." Then, in the end, he screams, "I WANT TO EXIST!" Which seems to be a strong indication that Mephiles is referring to being erased when Elise blew out the flame of Solaris, but likely as a result of the White Space literally existing outside of time, an aspect of him still exists, trying to claw his way back in.
What got me in the feels is when he's crying on the bridge with Rouge, is that there's some optional dialogue if you go talk to Rouge instead of going straight to Doom, where Rouge drops all pretense and tells Shadow that she doesn't trust very many people and she admits that he is special and that if he needs someone when everything is over, she's here for him. Like... they are so ride-or-die, I love them so much!
It gets even better, because the Gizoid being canon confirms that Sonic Battle is canon. From that, we know that Rouge is one of the few people to have read Gerald’s journal. There’s a scene where Rouge actually does comfort Shadow. He’s worried about having been created to be a weapon of war (against the Black Arms), but Rouge reassures him that he was created to be a hero because he has Maria’s soul. Rouge assured Shadow that his creator loved him like family, and encouraged him to cherish the time he gained with them from the time shenanigans. I am very normal about Team Dark, you guys
I love that the ending to Shadow Generations essentially recontextualises his “you’ve got this, sonic!” into “look man I just, I’ve been through some stuff and I REALLY can’t with this now”
Does this also mean Blaze and Silver had their own shit going on with like. Nega and FLAMES OF DISASTER because there was no reason for them not to help too lol
@@-voiddemoni-9243At this point, all of them kind of just showed up to watch Sonic style on the Time Eater lol Like seriously, this dude has saved the world LITERALLY 900 consecutive times! And now there are two of them at once!
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 true but Blaze has her own emeralds anyway and Silver has used the chaos emeralds with two others before and both have stopped a dimension piloting beast one of which did so with two Eggmen before TWICE so I think they’re mildly qualified to help lol
Not sure Arin was the right choice, like we get he's critical of sonic, but you could have picked someone critical of sonic because they want sonic to be better.
“I’m not like one of those big creators who gets to fly down to Hawaii and play the new Sonic game early” They heard you and made your wishes come true
Gerald: I'm soryy I put you on this path, but I'm proud of how you walked it. I'm proud of you, son Maria: I named you Shadow not because without light there's only darkness, but because shadows will alway show you where to find the light, Piss yellow Sunset Heights: SUNSET HEIGHTS
Maria canonically played all the Kingdom Hearts games, that’s why she said that. Additionally, the reason why she’s in Sunset Heights is because it’s a reference to Twilight Town from Kingdom Hearts II. None of that is true, but I think it’s funny
@@tacorerooster3554 He didn't use his powers, that's the point, Shadow was never meant to win in an actual fight against Sonic... Instead, Shadow gets the IQ win
I love how Mephiles just wants to exist and Shadow is like "nuh uh". Jokes aside I love how it kind of acknowledged the weird place Sonic 06 is in timewise, because technically things happened but timeline shenanigans in that game makes it so they also technically didn't. So Mephiles technically might not even exist anymore and the Time Eater just BROUGHT HIM BACK and- Can you tell I love Mephiles?
i feel like Its even funnier to imagine if the time eater didnt bring him back on purpose, he just saw from his nonexistence that time was broken and just went NOW'S MY CHANCE. MEPHILES WILL BE REAL IN 5 SECONDS
Im surprised they haven't made out that the time eater isnt just a fragment of Solaris that doesnt have any will at all. They both have a similar power over time and the time heater has a smoky appearance to Solaris' flame appearance that was blown out. It would also explain why sonic 06 is here while it was meant to be wiped from the timeline.
@@dumbsterdives What makes you comment even funnier is that the entire boss fight between Shadow and Mephiles was over in just 5 seconds, since Mephiles hadn't merged himself with the timeline again yet, so Shadow and Mephiles were literally fighting in Mili seconds
I'm not even a fan of Big, but that little smirk Shadow has after talking to him is one of my favorite moments here. A very small thing that says a lot
I choose to believe chaos island is there because I’m pretty sure its the place the chaos emeralds first landed on the planet (and the chaos emeralds are kinda important to shadow)
plus the ancients effectively being a precursor civilization to the echidna, who created the mural of sonic and chaos that inspired shadow's creation in the first place
Could be that it's actually a Black Doom connection, and thus Shadow's. Him being an alien warlord, and being so proficient with the Emeralds himself, he likely knew about their origins as well as Chaos Island. And since Doom worked with Prof Gerald, he might've picked up a few things during that time as well.
@@prosecutorwaltonunlikely, given he was quickly captured by G.U.N after landfall to be given back to Gerald for further modification, its more likely he fell into a well known area than anything chaos energy related
This game was the perfect conclusion to Shadow's arc with Maria. He wasn't able to change what happens to her, but he could put her mind at ease before her final moments knowing he'd be ok.
gerald explains in the game with optional dialogue that the reason sunset heights and chaos island are there even though shadow hasnt been there yet is because seeing areas from tomorrow is just as likely as seeing them from yesterday, not a very in depth or logical explanation but i appreciate them trying to explain it also congrats on the sega sponsor
@@crosheljarron9982ironically that does mean if they remake generation in the future after even more gzme came up we can get a character that travels through the future, (god a Silver game in generation would be so freaking weird lol)
@@Freedmoon44 well it means first they have to come up with a silver that actually plays well. Its been under 20 years since we even got to play him in a mainline sonic game.
@@Freedmoon44 tbf him being a sonic reskin does make him the easiest character to add into a sonic game as he is almost a 1 to 1 with just window dressing to make them apart. The reason why people complained about the other characters was mainly that their play style sucked. Frontiers' dlc shows they are planning to introduce more characters to the games by making it a sorta testbed for Tails, Knuckles and Amy; the characters the are the "priority" to implement in modern sonic games. Silver though is the one that is probably the most tricky to implement right given it's very different while trying to keep the general pace to the movement. Or give him a weapon like chakrams.
Salty, the "boats" at 15:35 are Eggman's battleships. In Sonic Heroes, Eggman's fleet was based on sea creatures in design: - The small red ship based on a great white shark - The bigger blue ship based on a sawfish - The giant purple ship based on a manta ray - And the ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE "Final Fortress" ship based on a blue whale. Tune in later for more fun Sonic trivia! You're not welcome.
28:43 Prof. Gerald and Maria standing in front of Sunset Heights will never make me normal. Just in general, a sunset is the end of one day and the start of another- the sun leaving for a little while. His family is his light. For Shadow, the "sunset" is end of one chapter in his life and the start of a new one. After Shadow runs off and the two are gone, you can see the place is completely dark too; gone for good (but not forgotten). Shadow can't go back to the past, but he can always remember it and the feelings it brought. He can use the experiences of that day to pave his way forward to a new day. Man I love this game, they did Shadow so much justice in it. I'm happy you got to play it and enjoy it!! I could be off the mark with all of this, it's just my interpretation of why they were in front of Sunset Heights specifically. I can't wait to read everyone's observations and theories! (◍•ᴗ•◍)
@@jakethebaconhair29 Yep The new voice for Mephiles is Robbie Daymond (Smokey), as is Metal Overlord's (Ray Chase) so we have triple the Jojo reference.
Can't wait for Salty spending all his sponsor money on a Sonic lego set. Just one, hes gonna spend all the money on only one lego set. But like 30 copies of that one. Which one? That one.
12:06 I think the actual reason Big said that is because in the Midwest/parts of the south, if you're out in nature (especially at night) and it suddenly gets silent, ergo no bugs, no birds, not even wind, it's usually taken as a sign of danger and queue to gtfo as quickly as possible. Something is *very* wrong and it shouldn't be brushed off as something not important.. though that could be me overthinking it
Congrats on the Sega sponsorship, Salty! This is actually really big for you. I remember you starting Sonic Frontiers saying you weren't big enough to be brought to Hawaii and all that, and now you've made it!
Sonic is one of the baffling franchises where they can create nostalgia for bad things and even make you look forwards to seeing them in the future. Generations makes 06 stuff seem weirdly cool, and now this whole Shadow half of it makes the original Shadow the Hedgehog seem like worth playing.
@@ShadwSonic I mean, Sonic 06 had massive potential it was basically the closest thing we got to Sonic Adventure 3. I wouldn't even say the progression or story had anything to do with what was wrong with it. The game was just bad, like flat out. Which is sad because again it had such potential but it got completely squandered by that holiday release deadline.
Its obvious that Big the Cat's inclusion has deep lore implications. What if he's more than just a mere mortal? Could Big the Cat solo The End without any Chaos Emeralds? What if Big the Cat was there (not physically but conceptually) in Frontiers to help Sonic? He knew the stakes and sells you keys to obtain the Emeralds. Could Big the Cat be related to the Ancients? Is Big the Cat actually God himself? We may never know...
Finally bringing in the deep lore theory that Big the Cat is Blaze's long-lost older sibling that was supposed to be the crown prince but then said burdens fell onto her when he dissappeared
This is the official sonic fan fiction we allways wanted, not only is the gameplay good the story ties into so much of the existing lore and worldbuilding and uses it pretty well to make an emotional resonant narrative that ties up Shadows Charackter arc really well. Also the idea of Mephilis desperately trying to reinsert himself into the timeline is the coolest sonic writing i have ever seen, wonder if this is hinting at future events. Would love to see the Sonic 06 that could have been, officially realized. Dont wanna jinx it but Shadow and Sonic might finally be back...
it's possible that we might see more of Mephilis in future, I've heard that the guy that did the writing for Shadow Generations and Sonic Frontiers has expressed an interest in working on a remake/retelling of Sonic 06 (basically under the idea that 06 had a bunch of good ideas but poor execution, so they want to take the ideas and try to do better)
yeah... some part of her expression to him saying that, along with the fact that when she fades away she quickly seems very accepting of what's happening and seems to show some understanding of Shadow's reaction, makes it seem like Shadow mentioning that basically let Maria figure out a vague idea of what was going to happen to her.
not to diminish how emotionally refreshing the story and ending of this game is, but i do think it's so funny to imagine that shadow had to stop time to cry his eyes out, take a deep breath and calm down so he could look cool in the ending to OG generations
gerald having 2 sons threw me for a loop at first too until i remembered of course he did, maria isn't eggman's daughter/sister so she has to be someone else's
Yeah, it was stated years ago that Maria was Eggman’s cousin, and it’s implied that Eggman was born after the family was torn apart by the Ark incident
I haven't played a sonic game for like 17 years but the Shadow animations and this game still make me cry a little. His story with Maria and Gerald is so touching
the fact that Mephiles knows he's been pulled from the original timeline is so fascinating, like yeah it makes sense that he's the thinking half of Solaris but still
I love how authentically edgy Shadow is. Like, you can absolutely play it very camp with the edge, but I get the feeling there's this genuine "yeah this is kickass" behind it all
20:47 I fully choose to believe that Shadow was not making a witty comeback, and instead just straight up mis-heard Black Doom and was repeating what he just said
23:17 I thought it was speed highway too at first. SEGA really dropped the ball with that blimp in the background. It really needs to say "radical "speed" highway".
12:50 Well, in hindsight, yeah. Maria is his granddaughter and Eggman's cousin, so by family tree logic, Gerald had to have had at least 2 children. But it's still something I can't say I actively thought about.
"Obliterating everything that's not your friend!" Shadow has lots of friends now. "When there's nothing left to lose, you win!" He's already lost Maria before.
My favorite line is “It’s never over, just another day of hope and tragedies, and everything that comes our way.” Really gives me that bittersweet edge I need
I went into this story mostly blind. The final cutscene in Shadow Gens might honestly be my favorite cutscene in the entire Sonic franchise. Seeing Shadow actively mourn Maria and Gerald's deaths, even if only briefly, made me feel so bittersweet. The story for Shadow Gens may only be serviceable, but this is, by far, the best characterization of Shadow in the series to date.
14:43 slowly realising that this level has some drugs slapped into it that causes anyone who plays it to try and 100% + S rank it first time (i had no unique experiences) (i did it)
I’ll be honest, I’m not a big Sonic fan, but knowing what I do know, that last scene with Shadow saying goodbye to Maria and Gerald actually made me tear up, like actually pretty good writing
yeah i'm gonna need modders to add mario 64 to this as soon as possible
already did
your comment had mario 64 in blue text
im on day 2 of killing myself by means of starvation/dehydration
Bowser's Fury 2!
@@Zaleion Can’t wait to see Salty suffer through that
OK BUT LIKE, THE FACT THAT MEPHILES COMES IN WITH THE SUCKER PUNCH, TRYING TO GET SHADOW WITH "THE ATTACK THAT KILLS SONIC" WHICH SHADOW JUST, SIDESTEPS, ALL COOL AND SHIT?!
i mean. it's the attack that kills sonic not the attack that kills shadow, idk why he thought thatd work. simple as.
That move only works on Sonic canonically.
@@theegg9631to be fair, Generations makes it very obvious that everyone had gotten way stronger. Sonic beat Perfect Chaos who he previously needed to power up to beat and Shadow single handedly beat Metal Overlord, someone who needed 3 Super Forms to defeat.
@@Keisezrgsand hell Shadow's power with his black doom dna in full use is basically equal to a Super Form, he doesnt even NEED Chaos Emeralds now if he learned to use this part of him fully instead of letting Black Doom awaken it
Salty stop being excited by the game I'm trying to watch the cutscenes
The final scene of Shadow shedding a tear has extra significance, because Sega had special mandates on how Shadow can be portrayed in games for over a decade. One of those rules?
Shadow can never cry on screen.
This game is telling us that Shadow is allowed to evolve and be vulnerable again. He is no longer stuck in time.
I think this is the only time this will ever happen, the circumstances were exceptional so they made an exception.
BRO THE CRYING MANDATE WAS FOR SONIC 😭😭😭😭😭
@@darkmatter1721 Look it up, they had the rule for Shadow. The reason he stayed the edgelord with no depth is all because of Sega.
BRO LETS GOOOO, SHADOW IS FREE FROM THE EDGE CAGE, LET MY MAN CRYYYUYYYYY
Maybe even a shadow can cry@@goatsmalotes
Dude the idea of Mephiles as this being who was literally erased from the world, that desperately just wants to exist as a part of the timeline again goes so fucking hard
iTs sSUCH a fanfic concept and I am 100% on board
Bro was literally on the verge of consuming all dimensions but got taken out by 3 furries clonking his head enough times to knock him out just long enough for a depressed teenage girl to erase him from existence by just blowing out a candle. I'd be calling for a runback too ngl.
Guy should've thought about that before trying to do the same to literally everything else.
Guy could've won so easily but decided to make it harder on himself just so he could be more evil towards Sonic and Elise. Now he just wants to exist again? Badass.
Let me in! meme goes hard.
On the subject of Mephiles, if you pay close attention, you can tell that he's actually from AFTER the events of Sonic 06, after being erased from history. When the fight starts, he says, "I'll defeat you, and RESTORE MYSELF TO THE TIMELINE." Then, in the end, he screams, "I WANT TO EXIST!" Which seems to be a strong indication that Mephiles is referring to being erased when Elise blew out the flame of Solaris, but likely as a result of the White Space literally existing outside of time, an aspect of him still exists, trying to claw his way back in.
And don't forget the 'What, did you forget about me AGAIN?!' and the fact he actually sounded *wounded* about it
actually peak fiction thats craaazy
" i don't want to be a memory " ahh
@@blindeyecreedAnd he's not even gonna get that much...
He is one half of a time God after all, makes sense he would be aware of his fate
What got me in the feels is when he's crying on the bridge with Rouge, is that there's some optional dialogue if you go talk to Rouge instead of going straight to Doom, where Rouge drops all pretense and tells Shadow that she doesn't trust very many people and she admits that he is special and that if he needs someone when everything is over, she's here for him. Like... they are so ride-or-die, I love them so much!
do you have a screenshot or link to this? I lowk really wanna see it.
It gets even better, because the Gizoid being canon confirms that Sonic Battle is canon. From that, we know that Rouge is one of the few people to have read Gerald’s journal.
There’s a scene where Rouge actually does comfort Shadow. He’s worried about having been created to be a weapon of war (against the Black Arms), but Rouge reassures him that he was created to be a hero because he has Maria’s soul.
Rouge assured Shadow that his creator loved him like family, and encouraged him to cherish the time he gained with them from the time shenanigans.
I am very normal about Team Dark, you guys
You can get the dialogue if you reactivate the doom sphere thing after the final boss
“All the world’s Sponsorships are mine to accept!”
-saltydkdan upon sega giving him this offer
As soon as Rouge said “there’s free food” I got a Wendy’s ad. Thank you Salty for the comedic timing of the century.
i got a dominos one, can he set it or does youtube just detect that it said free food
@@highlyuntrainedprofessionalRUclips just be wilin sometimes
@@highlyuntrainedprofessionalall of the world's food ads are mine to keep
@@highlyuntrainedprofessional he can set when the ads appear but not what the ad is
I love that the ending to Shadow Generations essentially recontextualises his “you’ve got this, sonic!” into “look man I just, I’ve been through some stuff and I REALLY can’t with this now”
Sonic celebrating his history
Shadow going through Silent Hill
and they changed the lines the characters say to sonic! he says "on your feet" now!
Does this also mean Blaze and Silver had their own shit going on with like. Nega and FLAMES OF DISASTER because there was no reason for them not to help too lol
@@-voiddemoni-9243At this point, all of them kind of just showed up to watch Sonic style on the Time Eater lol
Like seriously, this dude has saved the world LITERALLY 900 consecutive times! And now there are two of them at once!
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 true but Blaze has her own emeralds anyway and Silver has used the chaos emeralds with two others before and both have stopped a dimension piloting beast one of which did so with two Eggmen before TWICE so I think they’re mildly qualified to help lol
"SEGA don't take the game away from me for being too bad."
Salty, Arin was their YT guy for years. I think you're safe lol
Ah, good 'ol "UNAVOIDABLE CHIN MOVE!" Hanson
Not sure Arin was the right choice, like we get he's critical of sonic, but you could have picked someone critical of sonic because they want sonic to be better.
@@andrewgreeb916I think their talking about how Arin sucks at playing the games cuz he refuses to read tutorials
@andrewgreeb916 sonic fans try not to blame 1 (one) guy on youtube for Sonic Team's decisions challenge (Difficulty level: IMPOSSIBLE)
Arin is a self admitted sonic fan. He is also Arin though.
they sponsored you because of the rouge video
ALL OF THE-
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ALL OF THE MEMES ARE SEGAS TO SPONSOR!!
“I’m not like one of those big creators who gets to fly down to Hawaii and play the new Sonic game early”
They heard you and made your wishes come true
all the worlds shadows are mine to keep
All-
all the worlds marias are mine to kill
all th-
ALL OF ME
all the sha-awsh
11:11 HEY THATS ME!!!
You GOTTA do it now
When is the Gary the Eagle video
gary the eagle video NOW!!
Well deserved cameo
@@Saltydkdan Thats Ben Diskin voicing Black Doom.
He's known for Number one from Code Name Kids Next Door.
Gerald: I'm soryy I put you on this path, but I'm proud of how you walked it. I'm proud of you, son
Maria: I named you Shadow not because without light there's only darkness, but because shadows will alway show you where to find the light,
Piss yellow Sunset Heights: SUNSET HEIGHTS
Maria canonically played all the Kingdom Hearts games, that’s why she said that.
Additionally, the reason why she’s in Sunset Heights is because it’s a reference to Twilight Town from Kingdom Hearts II.
None of that is true, but I think it’s funny
Shadow having a canon reason for losing to Sonic in Generations that fits his character is such a stroke of genius!!
He still would have lost to Sonic regardless of the doom powers
@@tacorerooster3554 ok
Sonic will never live the fraud allegations now.
@@tacorerooster3554 He didn't use his powers, that's the point, Shadow was never meant to win in an actual fight against Sonic... Instead, Shadow gets the IQ win
@@tacorerooster3554 Shadow is literally shown refusing to use his doom powers against Sonic.
Big the Cat is slowly taking over every Sonic game, and I’m all for it
Him appearing in all the serious games like he belongs there is the funniest shit and I love it.
About time. I was genuinely starting to miss seeing him.
Its a bit of a meme but i love it how he just sorta manages to wind up in these situations
He is here because Blaze isn’t. He doesn’t want to see that cat again
He's the shit!
I can't believe Sega made Trevor canon
HOMESTUCK
hamsteak
Homestroke
She stuck on my home till I Problem Sleuth
By making Trevor canon, they've also made Christianity and Jesus Christ canon
I love how Mephiles just wants to exist and Shadow is like "nuh uh".
Jokes aside I love how it kind of acknowledged the weird place Sonic 06 is in timewise, because technically things happened but timeline shenanigans in that game makes it so they also technically didn't. So Mephiles technically might not even exist anymore and the Time Eater just BROUGHT HIM BACK and-
Can you tell I love Mephiles?
i feel like Its even funnier to imagine if the time eater didnt bring him back on purpose, he just saw from his nonexistence that time was broken and just went NOW'S MY CHANCE. MEPHILES WILL BE REAL IN 5 SECONDS
Im surprised they haven't made out that the time eater isnt just a fragment of Solaris that doesnt have any will at all. They both have a similar power over time and the time heater has a smoky appearance to Solaris' flame appearance that was blown out. It would also explain why sonic 06 is here while it was meant to be wiped from the timeline.
@@dumbsterdives What makes you comment even funnier is that the entire boss fight between Shadow and Mephiles was over in just 5 seconds, since Mephiles hadn't merged himself with the timeline again yet, so Shadow and Mephiles were literally fighting in Mili seconds
@@mikzpwnz_3199youre right im surprised shadow and mephiles never made out
Saltman finally did it. They're going to let him go and be friends with Sonic, canonically.
29:21 salty this joke no longer works they changed the line. Now he says “on your feet”
(Cries)
Man cried of joy and now crying of sadness good job
Feet??? Shadow's getting freaky
They acknowledged Sonic's feet. Game of the year.
Trevor's potential made them nervous. They had to distract you with a sponsor before his impact could be spread.
"Never kill yourself, because you might miss out on the next shadow game, and that's gonna be the worst." - Saltydkdan (2024)
I'm not even a fan of Big, but that little smirk Shadow has after talking to him is one of my favorite moments here. A very small thing that says a lot
To Gerber: I'm sorry Salty stole your Sackboy: A Big Adventure machine, that was really rude of him.
@@weirdyakuzafan the astro bot machine now
@@kerbethegodkiller2914the fifth astro boy reboot?
@@CureCyclone meant bot not boy
Not much else that machine was being used for
All the world’s early access are mine to generations
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Generations
the way i was chanting "make him cry, make him cry, MAKE HIM CRY" in that last scene
holy shit dude
I choose to believe chaos island is there because I’m pretty sure its the place the chaos emeralds first landed on the planet (and the chaos emeralds are kinda important to shadow)
plus the ancients effectively being a precursor civilization to the echidna, who created the mural of sonic and chaos that inspired shadow's creation in the first place
What if, when Maria sent Shadow away from the ARK, he landed on Chaos Island?
Could be that it's actually a Black Doom connection, and thus Shadow's. Him being an alien warlord, and being so proficient with the Emeralds himself, he likely knew about their origins as well as Chaos Island. And since Doom worked with Prof Gerald, he might've picked up a few things during that time as well.
@@prosecutorwaltonunlikely, given he was quickly captured by G.U.N after landfall to be given back to Gerald for further modification, its more likely he fell into a well known area than anything chaos energy related
I'm hoping it's a hint that shadow will go there in a future title......Frontiers 2 possibly?
the snapcube fandub audio over the maria scene was crazy work
This game was the perfect conclusion to Shadow's arc with Maria. He wasn't able to change what happens to her, but he could put her mind at ease before her final moments knowing he'd be ok.
The new voice of Mephiles is Robbie Daymond. Legend
THEY GOT GORO AKECHI??????
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 I KNEW HE SOUNDED SO FAMILLIAR
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 yes. He is very familiar with Sega
YOOOO THEY GOT TIANYOU ZHAO TO VOICE MEMPHIS TENNESSEE
HOLY SHIT GORO AKECHI
gerald explains in the game with optional dialogue that the reason sunset heights and chaos island are there even though shadow hasnt been there yet is because seeing areas from tomorrow is just as likely as seeing them from yesterday, not a very in depth or logical explanation but i appreciate them trying to explain it
also congrats on the sega sponsor
It is because the time eater made a disaster in time, affecting both the past, present and future.
@@crosheljarron9982ironically that does mean if they remake generation in the future after even more gzme came up we can get a character that travels through the future, (god a Silver game in generation would be so freaking weird lol)
@@Freedmoon44 well it means first they have to come up with a silver that actually plays well. Its been under 20 years since we even got to play him in a mainline sonic game.
@@mikzpwnz_3199 tbf we barely got to play Shadow over the years and most of the time he was essentially a Sonic reskin
@@Freedmoon44 tbf him being a sonic reskin does make him the easiest character to add into a sonic game as he is almost a 1 to 1 with just window dressing to make them apart. The reason why people complained about the other characters was mainly that their play style sucked. Frontiers' dlc shows they are planning to introduce more characters to the games by making it a sorta testbed for Tails, Knuckles and Amy; the characters the are the "priority" to implement in modern sonic games.
Silver though is the one that is probably the most tricky to implement right given it's very different while trying to keep the general pace to the movement.
Or give him a weapon like chakrams.
4:57 you’re not slick
“YOU SMELT IT THEREFORE YOU’RE THE ONE WHO DELT IIIIIIIIIT”
IM SO AUTISTIC, IM FLAILING AROUND SO HARD, I LOVE SHADOOOWWWWW
I LOVE SHADOW TOO AAAAAAAA
ow thd edge
ME TOO MAN ME TOO
20:13 I can’t unhear how this sounds like bro is a fan character begging to be added to the game
When Black Doom said “You can’t change the past Shadow!” Then shot Maria. I really felt that.
He didn’t even use his Doom powers, he just pulls out a gun
Salty, the "boats" at 15:35 are Eggman's battleships. In Sonic Heroes, Eggman's fleet was based on sea creatures in design:
- The small red ship based on a great white shark
- The bigger blue ship based on a sawfish
- The giant purple ship based on a manta ray
- And the ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE "Final Fortress" ship based on a blue whale.
Tune in later for more fun Sonic trivia! You're not welcome.
The gunships are mako sharks, and Final Fortress is a whale shark
he took "you sunk my battleship" to the extreme in that boss fight bro
Why am I not welcome :(
28:43 Prof. Gerald and Maria standing in front of Sunset Heights will never make me normal. Just in general, a sunset is the end of one day and the start of another- the sun leaving for a little while. His family is his light. For Shadow, the "sunset" is end of one chapter in his life and the start of a new one. After Shadow runs off and the two are gone, you can see the place is completely dark too; gone for good (but not forgotten).
Shadow can't go back to the past, but he can always remember it and the feelings it brought. He can use the experiences of that day to pave his way forward to a new day.
Man I love this game, they did Shadow so much justice in it. I'm happy you got to play it and enjoy it!! I could be off the mark with all of this, it's just my interpretation of why they were in front of Sunset Heights specifically. I can't wait to read everyone's observations and theories! (◍•ᴗ•◍)
alternative title: salty cries over shadow content for half an hour
@@temporalHistronic he's just like me fr fr
You know, it makes me EXTREMELY happy that the "don't [self game over] because you'll miss [X]" thing has caught on. I really think it's important.
The one who does Black Doom in the new game is Ben Diskin! (Joseph Joestar, Haida, etc)
Honestly, he did great on the voice!
I-is that a JOJO REFERENCE?!?!?!?
@@jakethebaconhair29 Yep
The new voice for Mephiles is Robbie Daymond (Smokey), as is Metal Overlord's (Ray Chase) so we have triple the Jojo reference.
OHHHHH MAI GAAAAAAAAAAAHHD!!! HOOOOOORYYY SHIIEEEEEEET!!!!
@@rkthetrashartist3887 man i picturing black doom saying to mephiles “RUN AWAY MEPHILES!!”
@@rkthetrashartist3887 I thought Metal Overlord sounded like Susano'o lol
16:10 In Frontiers, Sonic actually said that he wouldn’t mind letting Shadow a hand as a short dialogue while exploring. Specifically in Chaos Island.
Can't wait for Salty spending all his sponsor money on a Sonic lego set. Just one, hes gonna spend all the money on only one lego set. But like 30 copies of that one. Which one? That one.
The new Sonic campfire set coming in January
He’s gonna paint all the Sonic figures to turn them into Trevor minifigures
Gonna spend it all on a bajillion Biolizard Lego sets babyyyyyyyyy
Nah remember in the last video he signed custody of trevor away. Like a father running off for milk and cigs, he abandoned our boy.@@mousetoons22
@@SaltydkdanBiolizard? Erm, more like the ohiolizard. 🤓🤓🤓🔥🔥🔥🦔◼️🟥
@@mousetoons22war hammer minifig painting stream except it’s colouring sonic to be puke green
12:06 I think the actual reason Big said that is because in the Midwest/parts of the south, if you're out in nature (especially at night) and it suddenly gets silent, ergo no bugs, no birds, not even wind, it's usually taken as a sign of danger and queue to gtfo as quickly as possible. Something is *very* wrong and it shouldn't be brushed off as something not important.. though that could be me overthinking it
No no, you’re on to something
Congrats on the Sega sponsorship, Salty! This is actually really big for you. I remember you starting Sonic Frontiers saying you weren't big enough to be brought to Hawaii and all that, and now you've made it!
Sonic is one of the baffling franchises where they can create nostalgia for bad things and even make you look forwards to seeing them in the future. Generations makes 06 stuff seem weirdly cool, and now this whole Shadow half of it makes the original Shadow the Hedgehog seem like worth playing.
I mean... it kind of is? It's not like they butchered the gameplay, it's just the progression and story presentation that's somewhat questionable.
@@ShadwSonic I mean, Sonic 06 had massive potential it was basically the closest thing we got to Sonic Adventure 3. I wouldn't even say the progression or story had anything to do with what was wrong with it. The game was just bad, like flat out. Which is sad because again it had such potential but it got completely squandered by that holiday release deadline.
@scottmemelord6130 No no, I was referring to Shadow, not '06... though that IS another overhated game, even if it's objectively bad.
They should bring back sonic kissing a human
@EvilLobsterKing That never happened. You're thinking of the time a human kissed Sonic.
for anyone wondering, black dooms voice actor here is ben diskin. salty askes at the start of the video and now i know, and now you know. bye.
HAIDA?!?!?!?!?
NUMBER ONE????
THE DOG GUY FROM BEASTARS?!????!!
He was Sylvester in Kindergarden Cop, and now he is Black Doom. What a career path 💀
Numbah One?! JOSEPH JOESTAR?!
His Black Doom was FLAWLESS, if a little growlier than Schemmel, but... holy shit!
The RTFDG audio over the Maria flashback is really good
Its obvious that Big the Cat's inclusion has deep lore implications. What if he's more than just a mere mortal? Could Big the Cat solo The End without any Chaos Emeralds? What if Big the Cat was there (not physically but conceptually) in Frontiers to help Sonic? He knew the stakes and sells you keys to obtain the Emeralds. Could Big the Cat be related to the Ancients? Is Big the Cat actually God himself?
We may never know...
Finally bringing in the deep lore theory that Big the Cat is Blaze's long-lost older sibling that was supposed to be the crown prince but then said burdens fell onto her when he dissappeared
This is the official sonic fan fiction we allways wanted, not only is the gameplay good the story ties into so much of the existing lore and worldbuilding and uses it pretty well to make an emotional resonant narrative that ties up Shadows Charackter arc really well.
Also the idea of Mephilis desperately trying to reinsert himself into the timeline is the coolest sonic writing i have ever seen, wonder if this is hinting at future events.
Would love to see the Sonic 06 that could have been, officially realized.
Dont wanna jinx it but Shadow and Sonic might finally be back...
it's possible that we might see more of Mephilis in future, I've heard that the guy that did the writing for Shadow Generations and Sonic Frontiers has expressed an interest in working on a remake/retelling of Sonic 06 (basically under the idea that 06 had a bunch of good ideas but poor execution, so they want to take the ideas and try to do better)
5:15
Shadow: And I though MY dad was a shithead...
(referring to the dad from chicken little)
"All the limited 2D graphics are mine to keep!"
Ik it's a joke, but "never kys because you might miss out on the next Shadow game" is somehow the most hopeful and motivating thing I've heard in ages
Even though he’s a villian you’ve gotta feel bad for mephiles. He just wants to be brought back to the timeline
Then you remember he was attempting to subject literally everything across all time to the same fate.
@@ShadwSonicthey hate to see a girlboss winning
@@ShadwSonic to be fair he pleads oopsie
@@ShadwSonic god forbid women do anything
20:33 this played in my head every time Doom showed up.
SEGA Executives watching the Rouge video: AYYYY YOOOO THIS BRAINROT IS KINDA LIT. HIRE HIM UP ASAP 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
11:55 I’m pretty sure it’s just because all the other characters are busy being in Sonic’s campaign. Shadow just got the leftovers.
Honestly kind of surprised it wasn’t Commander Towers
@@wselfwulfwulf9746he wasn't here because he was too busy updating his audio equipment
Glad to see despite them ripping off Trevor the hedgehog, Salty is willing to work with Sega
22:35 "What? I've never wished for that, Shadow. At least audibly. What are you talking about?"
"Oh, sorry. Uh... spoilers..."
yeah... some part of her expression to him saying that, along with the fact that when she fades away she quickly seems very accepting of what's happening and seems to show some understanding of Shadow's reaction, makes it seem like Shadow mentioning that basically let Maria figure out a vague idea of what was going to happen to her.
“This video is sponsored by Sega” HOLY SHIT OUR FAVORITE WHITE BOY GOT A SEGA SPONSOR LETS GOOOOOOO HOLY SHIT SO HAPPY FOR YOU SALTY!!!!
I smoked through Sonic generations before playing shadow and... the difference is night and day, Shadow feels so satisfying to control.
Hiiiii Shadooooowwww...
I loooovvveee yooooouuuuu
Edit: Why tf is Doomsurf just the Ray Surfing from Mario Galaxy. Aint no way...
"Heeeeeeeeey, what's uuuuuuup, it's meeeeeeeee!"
"STOP!!!!!"
Holy shit, congrats on the SEGA sponsorship!! It's super cool how you get to play the game early after being so excited for it!
29:06
Rouge: All of the tears are mine to keep
Congrats on the SEGA sponsor🎉
not to diminish how emotionally refreshing the story and ending of this game is, but i do think it's so funny to imagine that shadow had to stop time to cry his eyes out, take a deep breath and calm down so he could look cool in the ending to OG generations
The fandub gonna go crazy
WE NEED IT
22:40
The squeal that left my mouth, was so high that no sound came out and the biggest grin was on my face pointing at the screen.
gerald having 2 sons threw me for a loop at first too until i remembered of course he did, maria isn't eggman's daughter/sister so she has to be someone else's
Yeah, it was stated years ago that Maria was Eggman’s cousin, and it’s implied that Eggman was born after the family was torn apart by the Ark incident
you know its a fucking great game when salty interrupts his own bits to yell excitedly
I haven't played a sonic game for like 17 years but the Shadow animations and this game still make me cry a little. His story with Maria and Gerald is so touching
YOOO CONGRATS ON THE SPONSORSHIP THATS SO COOL
Start of video: “What’s up guys today I’m playing shadow generations!”
End of video: “Moral of the story, don’t kys”
the fact that Mephiles knows he's been pulled from the original timeline is so fascinating, like yeah it makes sense that he's the thinking half of Solaris but still
29:32 special thanks to NASA??
How do you think the military got onto the ARK?
“WHY IS NASA THERE?!”
-Alfred
they're actually in the credits pretty much every time a game uses a stock image of the earth lol
@@scrunkore woah okay thats fascinating
I love how authentically edgy Shadow is. Like, you can absolutely play it very camp with the edge, but I get the feeling there's this genuine "yeah this is kickass" behind it all
Sonic is at its best when it's unapologetically earnest in its cringe.
the day of trevor's official cameo draws ever nearer
27:33 okay I'll keep that in mind
are you the jingle player
damn, mephiles' "i want to exist" line goes hard af
20:47
I fully choose to believe that Shadow was not making a witty comeback, and instead just straight up mis-heard Black Doom and was repeating what he just said
I can't wait for salty to play this as mario
23:17 I thought it was speed highway too at first. SEGA really dropped the ball with that blimp in the background. It really needs to say "radical "speed" highway".
I’m glad they made him cry. Masculine cool dark characters deserve to cry too. He deserves to cry (in a venting, grieving way)
12:50 Well, in hindsight, yeah. Maria is his granddaughter and Eggman's cousin, so by family tree logic, Gerald had to have had at least 2 children. But it's still something I can't say I actively thought about.
salty: yeah i got sponsored by sega
salty immediately upon hearing this: 7:32
"Obliterating everything that's not your friend!" Shadow has lots of friends now. "When there's nothing left to lose, you win!" He's already lost Maria before.
My favorite line is “It’s never over, just another day of hope and tragedies, and everything that comes our way.” Really gives me that bittersweet edge I need
11:23 I actually thought that I skipped the video and was watching a chaomix video
Shadow having a tear at the end SENDS ME OMG
Seriously. More Shadow games. I will come back to Sonic games with more Shadow AAA
OMFG I JUST NOTICED SHADOW DOES A LITTLE BOW AFTER HE LETS GO OF MARIA'S HAND AT 22:47 ;m;
This video was so cute, like watching a little kid on Christmas morning
I went into this story mostly blind. The final cutscene in Shadow Gens might honestly be my favorite cutscene in the entire Sonic franchise. Seeing Shadow actively mourn Maria and Gerald's deaths, even if only briefly, made me feel so bittersweet. The story for Shadow Gens may only be serviceable, but this is, by far, the best characterization of Shadow in the series to date.
14:43 slowly realising that this level has some drugs slapped into it that causes anyone who plays it to try and 100% + S rank it first time (i had no unique experiences) (i did it)
Maria: Where did you learn to fight like that?
Shadow: uhh, internet?
"Shadow, what the fuck is an internet?" -Maria, who is from 50 years ago.
10:37
I feel like Gerald Kintobor already knows.
6:13 minecraft the dropper
Sonadow Generations was peak, but just you wait 10 years and it'll be remade with a Silver campaign
A Silver Campaign would be amazing. It could redirect his storyline and fix major plot holes.
I’ll be honest, I’m not a big Sonic fan, but knowing what I do know, that last scene with Shadow saying goodbye to Maria and Gerald actually made me tear up, like actually pretty good writing
12:41 No Mama Robotnik
This is a very sad day for the Mama Robotnik fandom.
The best anti-suicide psa ever
They actually managed to add to shadows character and continue his character arc in a believable way by violently thrashing at our heartstrings.
15:14
Man this caught me off guard 😂
I couldn't stop laughing 🤣