It is nice to hear that native language speakers can also have issues with the trilling of Rs. That can be a huge point of anxiety for people new to a language! Tack så mycket for this video. :D
I've spoken Swedish my whole life and I've never been able to do a fully trilled R, my tongue simply refuses to vibrate behind my teeth. I was very self conscious about this growing up, especially since I lived in an area where no-one used any of the other ways of pronouncing the letter (French-style throaty R in Scania, American-style soft R in some old school Stockholm or tv-accents or simply avoiding the letter altogether in Blekinge). I mostly cheat by pronouncing the letter very quickly, but when I have to I can replicate the sound by vibrating my tongue on my upper lip. It looks really silly, but since my job these days is teaching Swedish to immigrants I don't really have the option to cheat anymore.
This sounds a bit like the Mexican Spanish R, there are also native speaker that have the same struggles that you mentioned with it. Thanks you for your tips.
What I found the most konstigt when I started learning and listening to Swedish is the "i" ("e" in English) sound. I think I am starting to get a hold of it now, but still I find it very weird how some people pronounce it here in Sweden (I am in Gothenburg area), and especially girls I'd say. The sound is just different from what I'm used to hearing, like in English it is produced in the throat whereas in Swedish it comes more from the mouth, don't know how else to explain it 😂 If you know what I mean 😁
It's the so called "viby-i" which you definitely don't need to grasp. It's not to be considered standard pronunciation. It's a social thing that has trickled down to other levels of society. You'll find it in Gothenburg and Stockholm foremost. Don't use it if you didn't grow up with it, it can sound ridiculous at times. It shows up about 1% of the times in my Swedish.
Oh, there are so many Dutch people who speak a uvular R, not a tip of the tongue R, right? That can be trilled or be a fricative (both similar to the French R). And similar to the development of Vibing/Lidingö-i, there is also this phenomenon in the Netherlands, the "Gooise R" (American R), which is becoming more and more common in the Netherlands. This fashion is also being picked up and spread, especially by young women! (like that weird Swedish i sound that, above all, is used by women!)
Ty for this video 🙂 So it doesnt change the meaning of, or the word completely, by not trilling or using too little trill? I am just starting to learn Swedish, so I'm not even sure this question makes sense 🤪
Is this like a British English ‘R’ ? We form the ‘R’ with the tongue curled up behind, but not touching the teeth. To my ears it sounds similar to what you are describing. I am totally unable unable to trill my ‘R’, despite my native tongue (Welsh) having a ‘rolled’ R!
It is very frustrating, the tip of my tongue just does not vibrate. I can do one tap. my tongue does not do more than that. I can only trill from the back! I have practised for weeks now and my tongue just does not vibrate at the tip at all. Gaaar!
Me a karlskronit: What's an R... XD Btw Jocke, down here we don't see it as a "problem". That's just how our R's sound (although basically nonexistent) ^^
@@sayitinswedish True, have you done a video on dialects btw? I've always found that interesting and never pass up a chance to talk about dialects with anyone who isn't local. Well those who are local too but that's less fun 😂
@@sayitinswedish everything hahaha no kidding, just i didn't understand how we are supposed to use it😅as I understoond that the subject is not important, but can I use it before the verb? Or just the object? Thanks
Say It In Swedish haha Hahahaha is this double sense? Hahahaha well, thank you again anyways! By the way, did you ever think on making an app (like the website but an app) for the say it in Swedish?
![The best trilled [r] video yet!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/joVgJUO74Mg/mqdefault.jpg)
It is nice to hear that native language speakers can also have issues with the trilling of Rs. That can be a huge point of anxiety for people new to a language! Tack så mycket for this video. :D
That is true and I hope this video can help half-way to get it somewhat right :)
I've spoken Swedish my whole life and I've never been able to do a fully trilled R, my tongue simply refuses to vibrate behind my teeth. I was very self conscious about this growing up, especially since I lived in an area where no-one used any of the other ways of pronouncing the letter (French-style throaty R in Scania, American-style soft R in some old school Stockholm or tv-accents or simply avoiding the letter altogether in Blekinge). I mostly cheat by pronouncing the letter very quickly, but when I have to I can replicate the sound by vibrating my tongue on my upper lip. It looks really silly, but since my job these days is teaching Swedish to immigrants I don't really have the option to cheat anymore.
This sounds a bit like the Mexican Spanish R, there are also native speaker that have the same struggles that you mentioned with it. Thanks you for your tips.
I find it tricky at the beginning but now i know how to do it! Tack Joakim bra jobbat❤
Can you create videos with these subjects? 100 useful verbs in sweden or 100 useful adjectives in Sweden
Maybe!
What I found the most konstigt when I started learning and listening to Swedish is the "i" ("e" in English) sound. I think I am starting to get a hold of it now, but still I find it very weird how some people pronounce it here in Sweden (I am in Gothenburg area), and especially girls I'd say. The sound is just different from what I'm used to hearing, like in English it is produced in the throat whereas in Swedish it comes more from the mouth, don't know how else to explain it 😂 If you know what I mean 😁
It's the so called "viby-i" which you definitely don't need to grasp. It's not to be considered standard pronunciation. It's a social thing that has trickled down to other levels of society. You'll find it in Gothenburg and Stockholm foremost. Don't use it if you didn't grow up with it, it can sound ridiculous at times. It shows up about 1% of the times in my Swedish.
Dude, Bruthaman, you so freakin' rock! Thank you for all you do! ^_^
/ʐ/ it’s an allophone of the Chinese r sound, also found in Polish.
I'm Polish :)
Tack så jättemycket för den här videon 🥰 vi ses i nästa video
Det gör vi!
Glad jag är från Nederländerna. Vi använder alltid Rrrrrr :D
Vilken tur!
@@sayitinswedish Jag är mycket tur ;)
Oh, there are so many Dutch people who speak a uvular R, not a tip of the tongue R, right? That can be trilled or be a fricative (both similar to the French R).
And similar to the development of Vibing/Lidingö-i, there is also this phenomenon in the Netherlands, the "Gooise R" (American R), which is becoming more and more common in the Netherlands. This fashion is also being picked up and spread, especially by young women! (like that weird Swedish i sound that, above all, is used by women!)
Ty for this video 🙂
So it doesnt change the meaning of, or the word completely, by not trilling or using too little trill?
I am just starting to learn Swedish, so I'm not even sure this question makes sense 🤪
The kind of R you use does not affect the meaning at all, no :)
Is this like a British English ‘R’ ? We form the ‘R’ with the tongue curled up behind, but not touching the teeth. To my ears it sounds similar to what you are describing. I am totally unable unable to trill my ‘R’, despite my native tongue (Welsh) having a ‘rolled’ R!
Yes, similar :)
Can Spanish speakers simply use their soft r when not wanting to trill? I believe it’s the same sound, but I may perfectly be wrong
I actually don't know but it sounds alright to begin with :)
I am a Spanish speaker and it sounds similar.
I'd check the IPA of swedish and spanish words with an r just to check
It is very frustrating, the tip of my tongue just does not vibrate. I can do one tap. my tongue does not do more than that. I can only trill from the back! I have practised for weeks now and my tongue just does not vibrate at the tip at all. Gaaar!
One tap is enough for me!
@@sayitinswedish Thank you, that's reassuring :)
I found my best progress when I stopped stressing about it. Relax, you probably get enough practice, it'll come with time.
Thank you!
Me a karlskronit: What's an R... XD
Btw Jocke, down here we don't see it as a "problem". That's just how our R's sound (although basically nonexistent) ^^
Det låter liiiiite konstigt dock, om man inte talar blekingemål (=
@@sayitinswedish förstou inte va du mena pöjk 😂❤
I do see what you mean but you guys up in Stockholm sound pretty strange to us so goes both ways ❤🇸🇪
@@animalind3738 I just meant it sounds weird to mix traits from different dialects. ;)
@@sayitinswedish True, have you done a video on dialects btw? I've always found that interesting and never pass up a chance to talk about dialects with anyone who isn't local. Well those who are local too but that's less fun 😂
@@animalind3738 I've wanted to make videos on dialect or a podcast for years but don't know enough people to make it happen.
Here's an example of trilling the "r" for dramatic effect. See 2.00 minutes in this scene: ruclips.net/video/x99njmZxaMA/видео.html
Man you were very young ☺️🌷
Could you please explain how to use the passive 🙄
Actually it was only like 5 years ago. Is there anything specific about passive that you don't understand?
@@sayitinswedish everything hahaha no kidding, just i didn't understand how we are supposed to use it😅as I understoond that the subject is not important, but can I use it before the verb? Or just the object?
Thanks
I don’t think you have to tell us where to put our tongue lol listening the example is more than enough! Thank you for the tip!
Maybe someone didn't know where to put it!
Say It In Swedish haha Hahahaha is this double sense? Hahahaha well, thank you again anyways! By the way, did you ever think on making an app (like the website but an app) for the say it in Swedish?
am i the only one that saw what happened at 7:17?
Rule it!
I can't trill my "r's" at all. :(
Kann es sein,das manche Schweden einen Dialekt sprechen und das R etwas mehr rollen ?
Möglich, zumindest etwas mehr als in Stockholm, wo es teilweise gar nicht gerollt wird.
@@sayitinswedish Ich muss da echt aufpassen,sonst klingt das nachher noch finnisch.