I love the description. He's describing the events well, he's not blaming anybody, he's not saying "I deserve to be two tiers above". He just wants to get better. This is the right mindset.
They could benefit a lot from actually committing to any one option. It seems like they don't want to hyper focus on one thing and want to be available for all possibilities, peels, dives, etc, but having to constantly be "available" means they can't commit to actually doing anything. The aggression stops a little too early every time. In this game, the team isn't following Dva, Dva is following the team.
Immediate tip from the first minute of the game: don’t use micro missiles unless you’re in melee range. Twice I’ve seen them use micro missile from a mile away and they do no damage at that range cause most of them miss
it's fine to use it at long range if you know you won't be engaging them before it comes of cooldown again. For example when you are down a teammate you can just use it for a tiny bit of potential damage to get maybe 1 or 2 % of ult charge
@@CharterForGaming even if you're down a teammate there are still better ways to use it, 1% ult charge doesn't justify throwing that ability into the void. And EVEN if I took what you say at face value, watch the first minute of the game and tell me that those two micro missiles were used at times when being able to use it better isn't likely before the cooldown comes back. You can't. And this is a common trend throughout the whole game if you watch. Micro missiles can apply a LOT of burst damage if used well and this person doesn't have a single *good* micro missile
@@assimilater-quicktipsthey aren't saying "this person executed the concept perfectly." they are saying "in general, sometimes it can be a good idea. but it depends on executing it correctly." they're speaking broadly, not specifically re: this person
@@sethescope as I stated in the first part, it’s really not worth anyways. If you’re a mile away you’ll be lucky to get even 1% ult charge. If you’re at midrange you’re a booster away from being in close range. Just save it for when you’re in range
I saw a poll once about whos the hardest tank to play/learn and some picked dva and others disagreed saying shes not difficult to play. Are they bronze players saying that? Is that true? Who knows
I have mixed feelings, cause she COULD be a good beginner tank. She's maybe the easiest tank to really get value out of. Problem is, it's also REALLY easy to just do a whole lot of nothing and feel like you're contributing when you're actually doing jack squat.
Hey this is me! To be honest I'm not sure why I got placed in gold. Definitely watching this back I see how rough this was lol. Thanks for doing these though. It gives me some things to look at
Lot of potential. Focus on one task at a time and gain a better aspect of the strengths and weaknesses of other characters’ abilities and you’ll see massive improvements.
Just focus. In this vid, you're flicking around and not sure what to do. So you start with one thing, then flick to another. Not much follow through, just a few times. Play more unranked and get a feel for the role and the characters.
I wish unranked helped. I usually try and play a few games before playing any comp. Today I was doing well in the warmups, but once I tried playing comp it's just different. Not sure if it's nerves or what. But thanks for the advice!@@Guinnessrules
I'm not sure this person knows where they're being shot from. They constantly turned to look at their allies mid fight, as soon as shot flew passed them, and if they took a shot on the edge of their screen they would jerk their aim that direction thinking they were being shot from the side. They also seemed to fly for the sake of flying, then lose track of themselves and have to reorient mid fight.
Emongg pointed out a lot of things they can improve and if they work on them, I'm sure sometimes people will still say "you're doing nothing" cause that just happens to all of us but they will also learn to trust in their own abilities
This tank player needs to learn the aggression and assertiveness that a tank needs to have. The reaper has it (I assume this is the dps giving tips), they go in, take space, and challenge positions. Dont worry so much about your team, they will die if they choose to, like ypur moira. So many metal rank players are that moira. They run in, no plan, and die, then flame their team. Keep taking highground and flank routes, keep contesting dps and pressuring supports. You will see inprovement. Also. Stop shooting their tank so much. Kill squishies.
@@Qman710 they did good as pharah too. Keeping a calm head and playing on is the best way to carry on. We could all do that more. If you are the dva, dont let the moira get to you. You can't save stupid mistakes, its a lesson supports need to learn too, let the feeders go. Thanx for sharing the vod.
omg I wanted to scream "JUST KILL THE PYLON" after they shot at it a bit taking it down to like 25% health each time. The whole play style was very "do everything half-assed" ... widow 30%? give up. Sig 30%? give up. pylon 30%? give up. Soldier 30%? give up. zero commitment to finishing any kills.
Gonna say just by how everyone played, everyone here needs work lol so not completely on tank but also not faultless, just positioning issues, the moira was just whiny by the sounds of it if they weren't giving options for swap, the dps were at least trying to help on counter picks
had a game where I was rein and the enemy team had a bastion and sombra and orisa. After we bowled them over on attack our moira complained that they were playing 3 counters to rein and that I should switch. I counter argued that I had only four deaths and three times as many kills and both our dps had 25 kills each. the team was doing just fine and even if they had chosen 3 things to counter me, it wasn't working so why switch. the moira screamed in chat for the rest of the game that I was throwing despite the fact that the enemy team never even made it out of spawn. I pretty much held up my shield to the bastion every time he was transformed and then charged him whenever it ran out. Never died on defense, but the moira was adamant that not switching was somehow throwing. And kept saying we were winning despite me and I was getting carried. I argued that if I was getting carried, then why did it matter if I switched. Still more screaming until I just muted them.
Best tip to get better in this game I could give is stop listening to the dumb shit people tell you in chat. Mute them if you have to. Remember they are in the same rank as you so 9.9 times out of 10 they don't know any better than you do. Blaming others for things is the reason people stay hard stuck in their ranks.
When i queue dps and see a dva i go a dive dps to dive with her but as soon as I see they are playing frontline dva and not dva (dive) i just switch to a hitscan and ask them in chat to switch to a frontline tank if they are going to play frontline and not dive, surprisingly it has worked 100% of the time and ive won all those games.
@@jokerfever2590it's almost like being a constructive teammate (offering suggestions without blaming or being toxic) leads to better outcomes. if only more people tried this method out lol
@@sethescopeas a bad tank whose DPS has tried to toxic and Nontoxic methods, I can safely say they found more results with non toxic direct help for someone who didn't understand overwatch terminology
I saw this title and really thought it was about my recent game lol. That DVA was actually dying every 10 seconds or sooner even with both support heal botting her.
Tbh I'm just watching this vid to see what tips and tricks Emongg imparts for Dva, mainly because she's easily one of my worst tanks lol. So I'm just content to listen and learn along with the submitter on that front lol. As for the Orisa gameplay; swapping to the horse against a Zarya is a terrible idea unless you know how to bait out the bubbles and your team can follow up on your (well-timed) aggression. It's a bad matchup because Zarya melts Orisa regardless of Orisa's mitigation tactics. You're not at fault for how that teamfight turned out tho. Every fight was essentially 2-3 vs 1 player. It's unfortunate but it happens. You'd literally be better off doing a Zarya duel. Don't play SIgma like Reinhardt; he's a poke tank, play height and spam your balls down at people, do not drop onto the cart unless you're required to contest a point or to go for overtime. Also a heads up; you can't use kinetic grasp against Zarya's beam, it only absorbs solid projectiles, not beam energy. (Sym beam falls into this category too) I'm not gonna comment on the Ram gameplay other than that was a good vortex (21:38) that sucked Sigma off the highground. You can tell it's the vortex that did it by how fast he falls. Good aggro but in that situation you needn't have blocked quite so much, he can't do much against you in that close range and you're in Nemesis form. Against other characters you should be blocking more but a Sigma that's 1v1'ing Ram? Go full aggro; you *will* kill him if he's not being healed. This is all experience talking though and counterswap is the gameplay of tank in a nutshell. You've got a lot of potential but sadly the best advice is that you just need to play the game more to get down the fundamentals of each tank, what their abilities can do first and how they fair against other tanks in the matchups. Everything else is more gamesense which also comes from just playing the game more.
i love watching emongg videos, he's so informative and genuinely wants to help everyone he spectates! he's genuinely given me things to think about in my own games and he's clearly very talented!! but the way he pronounced "pharah" 3 times towards the middle of the video felt like getting slapped in the face. (edit to say peace and love peace and love
okay, this tank plays dva like a dps. they are more concerned with self preservation than making space for their team. they run from reaper ults instead of dm them and they left the whole team getting the final kill on the mega because they were trying to push cart instead. the whole team coulda come help push cart if they had helped deal with the last enemy.
When you are holding shoot on Dva it feels like youre always doing something. If you want to make it really show if you're doing something or not, when you watch the videos back pretend like you're not shooting all the time. When you are standing in 2nd point shooting the walls and everything, pretend like you aren't shooting at all and realize you're just standing there. You aren't pressuring anything, you aren't controlling anything, you aren't scouting for any information, you're just walking around. When I watch my DVA vod's back I try to think of it like that. Obviously if you're securing kills and such shooting isn't actually nothing but it can make you feel like you're doing a lot more than you might have been
My biggest tip for Dva players is that when things get crazy on epoi t and there are people running all over randomly many times the best thing to do is to find the high dpa player on your team and just block for them. I cant tell you how many times ive been selfiah and juat wanted to chase down all the kills just to turn around and see my entire team dead with me at 1hp and you end up getting killed by a lucio returning to the fight and you dont get the checkpoint. Its usually way better just to follow behind your reaper or torb or bastion and matrix everything while they clean it all up.
make sure you have an interact key bound. for some reason, my interact keys got unbound at some point?? no idea how, and it depended on which hero. some had one, others didn't. this prevented me from using the spawn swap several times but I didn't realize why it wasn't working until I found out I couldn't take sym teleporters lol
I dunno... Am I crazy for saying not to keep shooting at the Sigma barrier? Cuz, I feel like as a Dva player, you can just go around or through it, cause a ruckus, then boost back out. And then, I saw times when she could've contested an unprotected squishy, but opted to shoot the barrier instead.
it depends on the situation. breaking sigma's shield can be very very valuable. if the shield breaks, it takes a very long time to come back and then sig doesn't have one of their main tools for making space and surviving. however, there will be times when doing something else will be more valuable because sometimes who cares if the sigma has shield when you can just go get a couple of easy elims on their back line. it's really situational.
If not for the backline they wouldn't have won the game dva was making no plays at all was quite haply to sit there and shoot. The moira made a valid point but were also playing kinda impatiently
As a Moira who is high plat/low diamond skill level, usually fighting out of high gold/low plat because of solo queuing, I get frustrated by team mates who are clearly not on my skill level/speed of play, hence "complaining Moira". Many of those players fall by the wayside as you get to Plat 2 or so, and you get players who have a better idea how to play.
Typical sniper diva in my team at gold, standing 50m away from enenemies doing nothing and having 400 dmg, if I would have been this reaper who tried to carry this shit tank I would have been mentioning the health of all his relatives
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I love the description. He's describing the events well, he's not blaming anybody, he's not saying "I deserve to be two tiers above". He just wants to get better. This is the right mindset.
They could benefit a lot from actually committing to any one option. It seems like they don't want to hyper focus on one thing and want to be available for all possibilities, peels, dives, etc, but having to constantly be "available" means they can't commit to actually doing anything. The aggression stops a little too early every time. In this game, the team isn't following Dva, Dva is following the team.
Immediate tip from the first minute of the game: don’t use micro missiles unless you’re in melee range. Twice I’ve seen them use micro missile from a mile away and they do no damage at that range cause most of them miss
it's fine to use it at long range if you know you won't be engaging them before it comes of cooldown again. For example when you are down a teammate you can just use it for a tiny bit of potential damage to get maybe 1 or 2 % of ult charge
@@CharterForGaming even if you're down a teammate there are still better ways to use it, 1% ult charge doesn't justify throwing that ability into the void. And EVEN if I took what you say at face value, watch the first minute of the game and tell me that those two micro missiles were used at times when being able to use it better isn't likely before the cooldown comes back. You can't. And this is a common trend throughout the whole game if you watch. Micro missiles can apply a LOT of burst damage if used well and this person doesn't have a single *good* micro missile
@@assimilater-quicktipsthey aren't saying "this person executed the concept perfectly." they are saying "in general, sometimes it can be a good idea. but it depends on executing it correctly." they're speaking broadly, not specifically re: this person
@@sethescope as I stated in the first part, it’s really not worth anyways. If you’re a mile away you’ll be lucky to get even 1% ult charge. If you’re at midrange you’re a booster away from being in close range. Just save it for when you’re in range
@@assimilater-quicktips ah yes, boost missile while down a mate.
This is why dva is a hard tank. Everyone plays her like this at first.
I saw a poll once about whos the hardest tank to play/learn and some picked dva and others disagreed saying shes not difficult to play. Are they bronze players saying that? Is that true? Who knows
She’s not hard lmao
@@jazz3738easy to learn hard to master, imo
@@jazz3738 Hard to play, no. Hard to get good at, yes.
The amount of people who just spam DM and try to sniperdva is ridiculous.
I have mixed feelings, cause she COULD be a good beginner tank.
She's maybe the easiest tank to really get value out of. Problem is, it's also REALLY easy to just do a whole lot of nothing and feel like you're contributing when you're actually doing jack squat.
Hey this is me! To be honest I'm not sure why I got placed in gold. Definitely watching this back I see how rough this was lol. Thanks for doing these though. It gives me some things to look at
Lot of potential. Focus on one task at a time and gain a better aspect of the strengths and weaknesses of other characters’ abilities and you’ll see massive improvements.
I've played with you before and I avoided you. I know that's a bit toxic, but I was frustrated at the time.
Just focus.
In this vid, you're flicking around and not sure what to do.
So you start with one thing, then flick to another.
Not much follow through, just a few times.
Play more unranked and get a feel for the role and the characters.
Hey man, you do what you gotta. I haven't been upset by the internet in a long time lol@@moleethedon
I wish unranked helped. I usually try and play a few games before playing any comp. Today I was doing well in the warmups, but once I tried playing comp it's just different. Not sure if it's nerves or what. But thanks for the advice!@@Guinnessrules
Man was playing dva like orisa.
I'm not sure this person knows where they're being shot from.
They constantly turned to look at their allies mid fight, as soon as shot flew passed them, and if they took a shot on the edge of their screen they would jerk their aim that direction thinking they were being shot from the side. They also seemed to fly for the sake of flying, then lose track of themselves and have to reorient mid fight.
this is LITERALLY my tank 3/5ths of my games in silver/gold
Emongg pointed out a lot of things they can improve and if they work on them, I'm sure sometimes people will still say "you're doing nothing" cause that just happens to all of us but they will also learn to trust in their own abilities
This tank player needs to learn the aggression and assertiveness that a tank needs to have. The reaper has it (I assume this is the dps giving tips), they go in, take space, and challenge positions.
Dont worry so much about your team, they will die if they choose to, like ypur moira.
So many metal rank players are that moira. They run in, no plan, and die, then flame their team.
Keep taking highground and flank routes, keep contesting dps and pressuring supports. You will see inprovement.
Also. Stop shooting their tank so much. Kill squishies.
Yeah that reaper was the one, and was honestly killing it this whole game. Definitely a contributing factor, if not the whole reason we won this game.
@@Qman710 they did good as pharah too. Keeping a calm head and playing on is the best way to carry on. We could all do that more. If you are the dva, dont let the moira get to you. You can't save stupid mistakes, its a lesson supports need to learn too, let the feeders go. Thanx for sharing the vod.
This kid was frustrating me too, shooting the wall like that on 2nd… basically just jacked around until the reaper could take care of everyone.
omg I wanted to scream "JUST KILL THE PYLON" after they shot at it a bit taking it down to like 25% health each time. The whole play style was very "do everything half-assed" ... widow 30%? give up. Sig 30%? give up. pylon 30%? give up. Soldier 30%? give up. zero commitment to finishing any kills.
Gonna say just by how everyone played, everyone here needs work lol so not completely on tank but also not faultless, just positioning issues, the moira was just whiny by the sounds of it if they weren't giving options for swap, the dps were at least trying to help on counter picks
had a game where I was rein and the enemy team had a bastion and sombra and orisa. After we bowled them over on attack our moira complained that they were playing 3 counters to rein and that I should switch. I counter argued that I had only four deaths and three times as many kills and both our dps had 25 kills each. the team was doing just fine and even if they had chosen 3 things to counter me, it wasn't working so why switch. the moira screamed in chat for the rest of the game that I was throwing despite the fact that the enemy team never even made it out of spawn. I pretty much held up my shield to the bastion every time he was transformed and then charged him whenever it ran out. Never died on defense, but the moira was adamant that not switching was somehow throwing. And kept saying we were winning despite me and I was getting carried.
I argued that if I was getting carried, then why did it matter if I switched. Still more screaming until I just muted them.
Best tip to get better in this game I could give is stop listening to the dumb shit people tell you in chat. Mute them if you have to. Remember they are in the same rank as you so 9.9 times out of 10 they don't know any better than you do. Blaming others for things is the reason people stay hard stuck in their ranks.
yeah, the only people worth listening to are the ones who offer suggestions and give a reason ("maybe go sigma to succ the bastion damage" etc)
Atleast the dps tried helping instead of sooking all game like the Moria Lmao
I have to agree with the Moira. It didn't look like this tank was enabling any plays.
When i queue dps and see a dva i go a dive dps to dive with her but as soon as I see they are playing frontline dva and not dva (dive) i just switch to a hitscan and ask them in chat to switch to a frontline tank if they are going to play frontline and not dive, surprisingly it has worked 100% of the time and ive won all those games.
@@jokerfever2590it's almost like being a constructive teammate (offering suggestions without blaming or being toxic) leads to better outcomes. if only more people tried this method out lol
@@sethescopeas a bad tank whose DPS has tried to toxic and Nontoxic methods, I can safely say they found more results with non toxic direct help for someone who didn't understand overwatch terminology
I saw this title and really thought it was about my recent game lol. That DVA was actually dying every 10 seconds or sooner even with both support heal botting her.
No matter what tank I play, if Sig is getting a rock ready either my body or my shield is in the way.
Tbh I'm just watching this vid to see what tips and tricks Emongg imparts for Dva, mainly because she's easily one of my worst tanks lol. So I'm just content to listen and learn along with the submitter on that front lol.
As for the Orisa gameplay; swapping to the horse against a Zarya is a terrible idea unless you know how to bait out the bubbles and your team can follow up on your (well-timed) aggression. It's a bad matchup because Zarya melts Orisa regardless of Orisa's mitigation tactics. You're not at fault for how that teamfight turned out tho. Every fight was essentially 2-3 vs 1 player. It's unfortunate but it happens.
You'd literally be better off doing a Zarya duel.
Don't play SIgma like Reinhardt; he's a poke tank, play height and spam your balls down at people, do not drop onto the cart unless you're required to contest a point or to go for overtime. Also a heads up; you can't use kinetic grasp against Zarya's beam, it only absorbs solid projectiles, not beam energy. (Sym beam falls into this category too)
I'm not gonna comment on the Ram gameplay other than that was a good vortex (21:38) that sucked Sigma off the highground. You can tell it's the vortex that did it by how fast he falls. Good aggro but in that situation you needn't have blocked quite so much, he can't do much against you in that close range and you're in Nemesis form. Against other characters you should be blocking more but a Sigma that's 1v1'ing Ram? Go full aggro; you *will* kill him if he's not being healed.
This is all experience talking though and counterswap is the gameplay of tank in a nutshell.
You've got a lot of potential but sadly the best advice is that you just need to play the game more to get down the fundamentals of each tank, what their abilities can do first and how they fair against other tanks in the matchups. Everything else is more gamesense which also comes from just playing the game more.
the average dva
From a new dva main this dva gameplay affected me on a different level
i love watching emongg videos, he's so informative and genuinely wants to help everyone he spectates! he's genuinely given me things to think about in my own games and he's clearly very talented!! but the way he pronounced "pharah" 3 times towards the middle of the video felt like getting slapped in the face.
(edit to say peace and love peace and love
okay, this tank plays dva like a dps. they are more concerned with self preservation than making space for their team. they run from reaper ults instead of dm them and they left the whole team getting the final kill on the mega because they were trying to push cart instead. the whole team coulda come help push cart if they had helped deal with the last enemy.
When you are holding shoot on Dva it feels like youre always doing something. If you want to make it really show if you're doing something or not, when you watch the videos back pretend like you're not shooting all the time. When you are standing in 2nd point shooting the walls and everything, pretend like you aren't shooting at all and realize you're just standing there. You aren't pressuring anything, you aren't controlling anything, you aren't scouting for any information, you're just walking around. When I watch my DVA vod's back I try to think of it like that. Obviously if you're securing kills and such shooting isn't actually nothing but it can make you feel like you're doing a lot more than you might have been
love watching gold replays as a gold player myself, this really puts things into perspective
This guy wasn't actually gold. He commented and said he got gold from placements, so his true rank is probably like silver
The description of the Orisa meta at the end of the video was a chef's kiss!
Could you move chat so we Can se cooldomns? Or show Them some other Way?
I dont play a lot of dva. And if i could se cooldowns it would help a lot.
Watch a Dva educational video from A10 he goes in-depth on it and really explains it well
Anyone else thinking about this:
Emongg
Ggnome
Gnome
We’re all watching a g-gnome
He seems totally lost at times....
My biggest tip for Dva players is that when things get crazy on epoi t and there are people running all over randomly many times the best thing to do is to find the high dpa player on your team and just block for them. I cant tell you how many times ive been selfiah and juat wanted to chase down all the kills just to turn around and see my entire team dead with me at 1hp and you end up getting killed by a lucio returning to the fight and you dont get the checkpoint. Its usually way better just to follow behind your reaper or torb or bastion and matrix everything while they clean it all up.
how do i climb if im shooting the wall
it feels like the dva was waiting for heals/a mercy pocket for a good chuck of it
What a video!! I can’t wait to watch the next one!!! 😮😮
This guy's aim is all over the place
🤓 10:48 _I-I-I-I-I-I_
very informative!
Bro I swear the spawn switch interact just doesn't work for me, does nothing
make sure you have an interact key bound. for some reason, my interact keys got unbound at some point?? no idea how, and it depended on which hero. some had one, others didn't. this prevented me from using the spawn swap several times but I didn't realize why it wasn't working until I found out I couldn't take sym teleporters lol
@@sethescope I can go through sym portals so I'm pretty sure it should be that
It feels really good on dva even when doing nothing because of the constant headshot dings. Just like tracer!
What a treat!
No meeting today, but watching anyways haha
I dunno... Am I crazy for saying not to keep shooting at the Sigma barrier? Cuz, I feel like as a Dva player, you can just go around or through it, cause a ruckus, then boost back out. And then, I saw times when she could've contested an unprotected squishy, but opted to shoot the barrier instead.
it depends on the situation. breaking sigma's shield can be very very valuable. if the shield breaks, it takes a very long time to come back and then sig doesn't have one of their main tools for making space and surviving. however, there will be times when doing something else will be more valuable because sometimes who cares if the sigma has shield when you can just go get a couple of easy elims on their back line. it's really situational.
i'm not one for being mean about people's playstyles but omg this hurt to watch
A toxic Moira that doesn't understand the game yet condescends to others anyway? WOW! Never seen that before!
The tank isn’t good tho
I watched uo intil 2:42 mark D,VA had no value at all...
Its a complaining moira. Lmao ignore by default
If not for the backline they wouldn't have won the game dva was making no plays at all was quite haply to sit there and shoot. The moira made a valid point but were also playing kinda impatiently
As a Moira who is high plat/low diamond skill level, usually fighting out of high gold/low plat because of solo queuing, I get frustrated by team mates who are clearly not on my skill level/speed of play, hence "complaining Moira". Many of those players fall by the wayside as you get to Plat 2 or so, and you get players who have a better idea how to play.
It goes both ways tbh
@@resofcincinnati4830yeah, wouldn't want to be a lower skill level than the plat moira main.
Lol you're literally the type of teammate people try to avoid
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Nahh the Dvas js bad
not bad, but needs more tips and more pointers
Typical sniper diva in my team at gold, standing 50m away from enenemies doing nothing and having 400 dmg, if I would have been this reaper who tried to carry this shit tank I would have been mentioning the health of all his relatives