Jordan Peterson WILL Lose his licence to practice Clinical Psychology
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- For the last half decade Jordan Peterson has been a controversial figure in Canada. More recently has gained fame more broadly. He is active on social media. Despite constantly being in the public eye and the many controversial opinions expressed the College of Psychologists of Ontario have treated Jordan Petersons Licence to practice psychology if he does not submit himself to social media training.
Interestingly, the threat stems from a complaint regarding his Joe Rogan Podcast appearance earlier this year. I explore a few of the questions regarding this in this video. I do believe that they will find him in violation of their policies. That being said, there is a lot of confusion here. Is going on a Pod Cast social media? How does that differ from his opinions expressed when interviewed previously by the CBC.
Let me be clear. I do not support, or condemn any particular policy. I do not in general support Jordan Peterson's message. The last time I discussed Jordan Peterson on this channel I condemned him, in general, I disagree with him.
That being said, I disagree more with views being silenced. I believe that social media is not different from real life. We live part of our lives online now. That is our environment. Organizations need to understand that.
As always, I am not interested in any policies, just simply encouraging healthy debate as that is the most important form of freedom humans can have.
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Putting children under life changing surgery is not a grey area. It's down right cruel.
But we do it all the time and it's never seen as a problem. Gynocomastia operations for teen boys for example.
In this episode of "someone who knows jack shit about gender affirming care actually thinking that actual children are receiving irreversible life changing surgery". They do not put children on HRT, or secondary sexual characteristic surgery. They'll put them on (safe and completely reversible) puberty blockers until they're older and can decide if they want to go through with more permanent measures.
You have no idea what you're talking about and you should educate yourself.
You should see heart surgery
I feel you. But forcing some kids to cope in a way that they're not capable of, is also cruel. Like the doc said - it's a GREY area.
The poor bugger offs themself, and some ppl going like "oh well, you can't save 'em all! (wink)" is just BS. That's not cruel, that's down right evil.
He will likely record any meetings and make the “training” material available for everyone to see. This will go down very bad and the board will embarrass themselves. It’s beyond ridiculous
You made a good point regarding the thoughtfulness that goes into creating a RUclips video versus the immediacy of typing out and sending a Tweet. The content should be judged accordingly.
The views expressed here are one reason the West is going to hell on a handcart. The problem of using general guidelines to levy a charge against an individual is that they are so wide-ranging that they can be made to prove almost anything. If we take the instance he specifies: 'Be respectful of other professions'. Let us take a profession, say a 'politician'. It follows that if we are not 'respectful' of politicians and their policies we can be prosecuted for it! Who in their right mind could agree to that? It places extraordinary power into the hands of these boards which can be exercised as they choose, in other words you establish a tyranny. A further reason is that these 'guidelines' have no legal basis. It is simply dependent on the opinion of those in charge. In the case of those surgeons performing 'gender affirmative surgery' the main clinic here in the UK, the Tavistock Clinic, has had to be shut down for malpractice so it seems that Dr Peterson's fears were well grounded.
He then claims that the problem with Twitter was that the was barely any editing. This was completely untrue, the problem was that there was editing, and it was one-sided, they banned those the board disliked, and it appears at the behest of the FBI and hence the government. Allowing social media to be edited solely by those at the top is not the way to proceed. it is bound to be biased and unlike newspapers which follow a clear political line. it is done in ways which are not clear.
The dangers of using general guidelines to prosecute individuals should be obvious to anyone who lives in a democracy. it is frightening that people do not appear to see the dangers.
Offering subjective views on politics and sometimes presenting them as truth(perhaps unintentionally) under the guise of being a psychologist can be very harmful. Many may struggle to separate the positive of his psychology advice from his own personal ideology, especially pertaining to his ideas on politics, climate change, systemic racism etc. and may assume he MUST be right about those areas too and without question. Psychologists have a responsibility to remain objective...ALWAYS
I respect that you tried to present the issue impartially while acknowledging your biases; however, we must not overlook three major points:
(1) Many in Canada’s government are pressuring the Board to revoke his license, making this unequivocally politically motivated due to the timing of the new push to remove his license
(2) The UK is officially shutting down its transgender youth clinic as it was revealed that some studies’ results have been falsified to support transgender affirmative care, that the clinic was “not a safe or viable long-term option for gender-confused young people,” and that many children and parents were not being entirely told about the long-term consequences and potential risks of continuing with certain procedures. Jordan Peterson is one of the handful of people who is courageous enough to speak out against blind attempts at “progress” even when the government is against him. Will Canada and the US heed Britain’s warning, probably not anytime soon?
(3) Think about the precedent and spillover effect such a result would birth (and not just for Canada)-medical professionals will not be able to be as transparent with their patients for fear of what vague policies they may break. For example (albeit presently extreme), if a patient sincerely comes to a psychologist believing themselves to not be human but some sort of mythological creature, where is the line drawn between respecting (or more severely, affirming) a patient’s fantasy and guiding them towards the truth that they are a human being. Any policy that heralds a vague definition of respect above honesty is bound to be problematic in many circumstances.
-I agree that Dr. Peterson can appear brash at times, and I think reasonable people should call him out on those assertions, but to threaten to revoke a license of a man who has done more to advance the field of psychology than probably 90% of his peers also demands respect. Likely, I will not change any minds here, but let the facts speak for themselves.
1. Do you have any evidence for this?
2. The UK has RE-ORGANISED its transgender services. The standards of its one sole service provider slipped demonstrably under increase in referrals. Transgender services will be offered in the first instance, by two new regional centres.
3. "a man who has done more to advance the field of psychology than probably 90% of his peers" How on earth have you arrived at this?
I can see you tried to be fair but you really need to listen to his lectures etc. There is nothing black and white about his positions on things. They are all well thought out and researched.
He is extremely knowledgeable about the topics he speaks on. It's always obvious, like with some of the people commenting here, when people have only seen shorts and sound bites
@@cathykayter7350 Agreed, and can anyone see my 2nd comment with sources? Either someone purposefully removed it, or it’s a RUclips error 🤷♂️
@@learningwithlanden I've not seen it
I've only seen the one
@@cathykayter7350 Strange, thank you
I think what Dr Peterson was concerned about is what happens after the law is introduced as it lays the groundwork for governments to take more control of their citizens. He has stated he has no issue with calling people there preferred pronouns. But great video keep up the good work!
On the other hand, what JP critics are are concerned about, is that when enough people start to think like him, then TG-s will start falling out of high storey windows.
All psychologists giving public interviews, should rely on the disclaimer ... "I am not now speaking as a psychologist. I am just giving you my 'personal' opinion on these subjects." Had Jordan admitted that that was his intention, he would not be in any trouble with the board of psychologists.
It's only natural that concerning personal systems of belief, psychologist do not agree with each other.
Example ... which one of these two psychologists do you believe? And I suggest that you keep in mind that whichever one you choose will speak volumes about you.
Following are Jordan’s Peterson’s extremely hurtful words (verbatim) … “Gender identity and gender expression are not valid ideas. They are not true. There is no evidence for it. I don’t know what the options are, if you don’t identify as a man or a woman. There is an idea that there’s a gender section. I think that is an ill-informed opinion. Gender identity and sexual orientation are the same thing. I don’t believe these people, these terms, stand for good things. I think these people use these terms as a pretense that they stand for good things; as a pretense for them to carry on their nefarious activities.”
In contrast … following are the pro-transgender words of the famous psychologist Dr. Phil McGraw ... “Cleveland Clinic did a study on transgender brains, and when they did the study, they found that the brains of transgender people, their brain is actually more similar to the gender they identify with, than the gender they were assigned at birth. There is an actual brain difference. That is a neurological fact. There are fifty years of empirical evidence here. And there are distinct differences in the transgender brain versus the non-transgender brain.”
If you do a gender surgery on a 12 year old, you are a butcher. Who in their right mind would perform that procedure on someone of that age? They can't use tobacco, drink, or gamble but can permanently change their gender? Something is fundamentally wrong there. People are exploratory, let them figure it out and make a drastic change at a later age if they still feel the same way.
Where do you think this is happening and why?
No one is performing gender reassignment surgery on minors. This is a myth. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends gender affirming care, which can take on any number of modalities and therapies depending on the age and other criteria of the patient. None of those therapies include surgeries for minors. So please stop spreading this misinformation.
interestingly, this doesn't happen despite how many people seem to think it does. and when governments have implemented laws to make it illegal, they always seem to carve out exceptions for non medically necessary intersex surgeries-when surgery is performed on literal babies to make their genitalia look 'normal'
what psychologist in their right mind would say - hey yea this is going to work great, it will fix everything? This is so ridiculous I cannot even conceive of how this is accepted in our society. if they now the means of how to help people psychologically go through self-discovery and manage their pathology without enabling this nonsense, but they don't do it, THAT should be criminal as much as mutilating kids should be.
@@dmob881 Boston Children's Hospital, Stanford. I googled and found multiple. Parents take their kids to these places rather than helping them sort out typical adolescent behavior of self-exploration through therapy. Parents were told that their kid will commit suicide if they don't go along with their facade.
Can someone PLEASE tell me where 12 year olds are undergoing re-assignment surgery at all, let alone just because they ask for it?
I am totally at a loss, here. I can't find any ANY evidence that would suggest that this might ever happen.
theres hospitals and university hospitals in America that do it and perform hysterectomies in children if the child wants it.
@@princessmoo4891 Can you provide any *evidence* of that?
As I say - I cannot find any. All I find is unsupported claims and disinformation/misinformation.
American Academy of Pediatrics on the Ethical Controversy about Hystorectomies in minors:
"One of the most complicated ethical issues that arises in children’s hospitals today is the issue of whether it is ever permissible to perform a procedure for a minor that will result in permanent sterilization. In most cases, the answer is no." They go on to speak to 'congenital urogenital anomalies or other medical conditions'.
DC's Children's National Hospital "We do not provide gender-affirming surgery for anyone under the age of 18."
National Womens Health Network - who campaign against unnecessary hysterectomies:
"It’s incredibly unlikely that a doctor will perform a hysterectomy on women ages 18-35 unless it is absolutely necessary for their well-being and no other options will suffice."
... in the UK the news is jam-packed with stories of women asking for one and not getting them because they are too young: 'I am 22 and I want a hysterectomy' - BBC
Where I live, there's a "Children's Hospital" that employs doctors who have publicly stated that they will, and have, prescribed puberty blocking drugs and hormones treatment drugs to children as young as 9 years old based on conversations and a request from the child to begin transitioning to the other sex. And, this is being done without the knowledge and/or consent of both parents.
@@rhymeswithteeth Well, my question was about *surgery* not hormone therapy. But, by it's very nature, puberty blockers are gonna be used before a child reaches the age of consent (usually 16), And ALL statements I can find speaks to parental consent as a minimum.
The May Clinic is typical:
'Pubertal blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth'
'Particularly when a child hasn't reached the age of medical consent, parents or other caretakers or guardians must consent to the treatment and support the adolescent through the treatment process.'
I also discovered that the level of mis/dis information on this particular subject is off the scale!
See 'USPATH and WPATH Respond to NY Times Article “They Paused Puberty, But Is There a Cost?” published on November 14, 2022'
WPATH is The World Professional Association for Transgender Health. Every statement I have seen aligns with their published 'standards of care' document.
Re *Criteria for puberty suppressing hormones* this says:
'In order for adolescents to receive puberty suppressing hormones, *the following minimum criteria must be met:*
1. The adolescent has demonstrated a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria (whether suppressed or expressed);
2. Gender dysphoria emerged or worsened with the onset of puberty;
3. Any co-existing psychological, medical, or social problems that could interfere with treatment (e.g., that may compromise treatment adherence) have been addressed, such that the adolescent’s situation and functioning are stable enough to start treatment;
*4. The adolescent has given informed consent and, particularly when the adolescent has not reached the age of medical consent, the parents or other caretakers or guardians have consented to the treatment and are involved in supporting the adolescent throughout the treatment process.*
It seems pretty clear to me that 9 year olds are not just rockin up to their doctor - alone - and getting their mitts on puberty blockers on demand.
@@rhymeswithteeth This is not true. Please stop spreading misinformation. Parents need to consent to any treatment for minors, otherwise it would be considered assault or medical malpractice and the doctors administering the care would risk losing their license. Not to mention that any gender affirming care needs to be accompanied by a good support system, preferably by the parents, and many specialties get involved including psychiatry. A full psychiatric workup is performed before consideration of any therapy. Doctors don't just do whatever a patient asks them to do regardless of the consequences to the patient. Your comment encapsulates the issue at the heart of public discourse with respect to gender dysphoria. Those with actual knowledge have the impossible task of putting out the multiple fires being set by people like you who just want to spread misinformation. Please stop. Consult the American Academy of Pediatrics' guidelines of you want more ACTUAL information, and not just hearsay.
One could say that a criminal justice system is "compelled behaviour"...
Yeah, self-review is gold. One third of my comments go up, one third gets deleted by YT, one third gets deleted by me... Teamwork ftw! :)
Very balanced take on the matter. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for the comment super appreciated. There needs to be nuance for sure.
Balanced??
Being respectful to other professions is seriously a very dumb demand. Whoever does sex surgery on children ist a mutilator. period. Those things need psychotherapy, not surgery. If you start surgery on those kids before they even finished puberty (which btw is the BEST treatment of gender dysphoria to date), you are not a profession that deserves any kind of respect. Professional Killers are a profession as well. Do they deserve respect? No. Respect is something people need to acquire, not something that they get freely.
Great vid. I really appreciate the relatively balanced viewpoint. Make a discord so we can interact with you more
Discord is a good idea. Hope to grow this channel a little bit first. Thanks for your comment though. Tried for balance for sure!
Knife Skills: in Jordan Peterson’s own words: “You’re next.”
Fortunately, I’m not really that prominent. Which is the point. The only reason he is being reprimanded is because he is prominent
i'm pretty sure this psychologist wasn't taking care of the mental health of ontarians when he decided to just literally ignore the will of the actual people asking for the surgery and instead just call the surgeons butchers. Why does he think the surgeons are somehow responsible for the ultimate decision? Yes, it should be debated whether 12 year olds should remove important organs of the body, and long term repercussions of treatment should definitely be elucidated, but just hearing that one sentence is enough to tell me he doesn't give a damn about the actual patient.
And this guy is harping about compelled speech and acting like he's some rugged professional standing in the frontlines of individual rights. But over what? Over pronouns that have literally nothing to do with the individual right of the person saying it. Nobody is telling the individual to change their own pronouns because of the lgbtq people, they're just asking them to respect the pronouns for lgbtq people. How on earth does that have anything to do with individual rights?? If anything, he's not respecting the individual right of the human beings that ask for the way they want to be called to be changed. So no, I don't think it's right for this peterson guy to act like pronouns for lgbtq has anything to do with right of the non lgbtq, and i think with your superbrain you know this well too.
jordan petersons bosses at daily wire and all his conservative friends also surgically remove important parts of their male childrens bodies at only 8 days old (circumcision) at least 12 year olds can talk unlike an 8 day old baby
Ya, but he says some things about psychology that are not agreed upon by the large mass of mental health professionals. That go into the psedo-science. He stretches things that professional agree upon and then adds some of Jungs obscure and shaky ideas into something else to prove his points. And than presents them as the cold hard true. He makes the profession look like a bunch of con artist. His what Jacques Lecan was for psychoanalysis, a snake oil vendor.
As someone specialised in psychology myself he did some unethical stuff, included related to his own field. He reportedly dismissed in his discourse the efectivness o of medication for depression, anxiety and and other mental health concerns. Also, publicly states that a carnivore diet cured his depression. It's more that the free speech advocacy and the question is top surgery or gender reaffirming fine? It is deeper.
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Really interesting topic to hear about from a physicians perspective
Thank you for your comment. Navigating a public image as a regulated professional is a challenge. I will be discussing this a bit more on a live stream tomorrow.
If someone's profession is murdering others, are we not allowed to say we don't like the profession? Or will we have our professional licences revoked?
Demagogic
Why was this con artist, pathological, liar, and health menace to the community granted a license in the first place? That is the real question.
Really??? Jordan Peterson is doing his best to tell the truth and help people, and you object to that? So you think people should lie and hurt people? If Jordan Peterson is not a good role model for society, who is? I really want to know. Who in your opinion is a better role model for society than Jordan Peterson?
@@smhollanshead seems like he has decided to be a zionist shill for israel and american empire instead of a doctor anyways,
@@youtubeuser206 so you’re a Chinese Communist. How do you explain China’s occupation of Tibet? Isn’t occupying another country evidence of a Chinese Empire? I have an idea, let’s have a vote in Tibet: the Dalai Lama or Xi Jinping. Who do you think would win? Or is China too afraid of this vote?
Alot of what he says is opinion and not at all related to psychology, exception being it's worthy of treatment.
1. Jordan Peterson is in Canada, 2. He's in Ontario (or even BC), that's already two big strikes against JP, specially when the game is rigged and ran by woke weirdos and enablers. So yes he has a high chance of getting his license revoked. JP only and best defense is to make as much noise and get as many eyes on this (globally) as possible as to shine a light on the legitimacy and credibility of this licensing board. Kinda like how the Global Spotlight shone a light on Jessica Yaniv trail and thus questioning the legitimacy and credibility of the kangaroo court that is the "human right's tribunal" in BC, as this court usually sides with people like Yaniv 90% of the time.
Except that 'kangaroo court' didn't side with Yaniv - whom they described as a racist, a vexatious litigator and ordered to pay damages.
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@@dmob881 don't expect maga q anon crowd and daily wire followers to care about facts
I pray for the bodies and minds of normal kids being propagandized into mutilation and self doubt by bad parenting, handcuffed mental health professionals, educators and instagram/youtube type persuasion technique. Raise your child to embrace their own bodies and keep them away from distracting influences. The world needs healthy children.
great take
Jordan is correct. YOU ARE NOT!
He doesnt take a stand in pro or against jordan in the video?
@@PurpleH4z3they didn't even watch they just saw the title and spewed their uninformed opinion
Shame he will loose his license but you have to be careful what you say
Why do you?
Only an authoritarian, or a "Chicken Little", would say what you just said. Easy to see what you would have done in 1930s Germany.
No you don't....Peterson speaks facts.
Yes we cannot say things that Chairman Mao doesn't like or we'll be re-educated
Maybe there is a time to not be so careful because people's lives are being ruined in part because people are not speaking up: ruclips.net/video/6O3MzPeomqs/видео.html
Good.. Jp is a hack
Unsubscribed from your channel...the year is officially 1984 not 2023.
Why? His conclusion is that jordan losing his license will be harmfull in the long run
A clinical psychologist who claims to be an expert in addiction and then gets addicted to benzos shouldn't be licensed anyway..
We are all at risk of addiction. Stay well.
@@RichHilsden not all of us are claiming to be experts in clinical psychology and a host of others subjects... Jordan is 🙄
Pleasant
No he won't.
I hope you are right.
He needs to seek professional therapeutic help, his pseudo-scientific treatments are obviously not working, he should know this 🫠
To whom are you referring; the owner of this channel, or Dr. Jordan B. Peterson?
@@rhymeswithteeth Jordan Peterson
I agree. The man lost his sanity the second his work leads to neo nazis using his literature to demean minority groups.
@@MadameMe He's fine.