Saving A Rare John Deere Mower From The Dump
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Thanks for watching. This mower ended up at the city dump but luckily a friend of mine was able to grab it.
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Never seen one of these before.
I know right!
Seen them, worked on them, got the T-shirt.
My dad used to have the same mower. It was actually the first lawnmower I ever used. He HATED the thing. Mostly because he left it outside a lot, and the cables and the wheels and everything froze up, and like you mentioned parts are expensive. Toward the end it had no self propel, a hose clamp to keep the engine running, and frozen front wheels. It all finally ended when the flywheel key sheared after he hit something, and he proceeded to smash it with a large rock after it ripped the pull cord out of his hand. We went through a lot of mowers and equipment when he was the one using them because he abused them and never did any maintenance. The one time he tried, he ended up filling the crankcase of the mower with anti-freeze and it obviously threw a rod.
wow, it sounds like he blamed the mower for all of its issues
@@HomeGaragechannel yeah, that is what he does. He breaks things and then yells and complains about what pieces of junk they are.
That's a ingenious design for the front deck wheels. Great job on the repairs as always! Thank you for making these videos, you are the main reason I began my small engine hobby. Keep up the good work chief.
thank you I appreciate that a lot!
If I were it you, I'll keep it... Nice job as usual!
Thank you and I'm considering it.
Awesome video. Thanks for the info
thank you!
Castor wheels work just like 0 turns I love them !
thank you
I just found the other day a cub cadet with front caster wheels just like this one at the curb in my neighborhood. It came with electric start in addition to a pull rope and it uses a commercial grade Kawasaki engine.
Front casters on a self propel mower like this JD is a pretty unique design that makes it far easier to turn the mower without lifting the front end. I could see that being popular for older folks that have trouble lifting the mower. Good save!
thank you and you might be correct about the demographic
Great video, as usual. As far as your question goes about caster wheels, I own an Ariens push mower with caster wheels, and I don’t have that many obstacles in my yard, but I love them. Mine also has a lock, but I hardly use it as it’s easy to push straight even when the caster wheels are unlocked.
I had one of those, it was great on flat lawns with obstacles, but I tried to use mine on my 1/4 mile lane, and it was hard to keep it on the side of the hill. Obviously I didn’t use it as intended 😅
nice thank you for letting me know
yep sounds like hills are a no go for them .
@@mikeschellenberg2021 that makes sense now. My yard is basically flat.
John Deere equipment is green for a reason. You’ll be spending a lot of green for maintenance and repairs!
well said
I enjoyed this video more than 99% of what is on television. While I still have an uncluttered front yard, I definitely have enough obstacles in the back yard to need this style mower. You must not have someone at home that likes to plant flowers and flowering bushes. If Deere still made them, I would consider buying one of these walk-behind zero turn mowers new. Just checked the JD website and everything they make now is a riding mower.
you and me both, that's where I was going to use it.
Keep and use it as a working mower
Not since 2011 has Deere made walk-behind equipment. It made a deal with Honda for its walk behind and handheld equipment to be sold in the Deere dealerships. Now that Honda has begun discontinuing manufacturing its walk behind mowers in the USA, I guess we'll see how this goes. Who knows, we may still see Honda mowers in North America, but will probably be shipped from France. I mean, my parents' 1985 Honda was made in Japan and up to a decade ago, mowers were still made for the Canadian market in Japan.
Beautiful mower. I would fix and keep. 👍
Thanks 👍
That's a real nice mower
thanks
Great video, if I got a John Deere mower in that good of condition for free I'd fix it and keep it for myself.
you make a good point, besides it might be tough to sell anyway.
I would love a mower with caster style front wheels. So much easier for the detail work around my house.
I agree!
Fix and keep it she's rare and awesome
thank you and you got that right
Interesting design
that's what I thought too.
I had one of these a few years back. Caster wheels are popular with landscapers. Sometimes you can use copper pipe for a wheel bushing.
yes that's what I'm hoping to do.
@@HomeGaragechannel Hillman steel spacers at your local hardware store can be bushings for castors and worn wheel centers, if you remember.
Nice mower. you shold buy a small late. It`s perfect to clean screws with and will solve the problems with small bearings. Thanks for the good videos :).
no problem and thank you for the idea.
This item needs to be kept.
that's what I'm leaning to
I've used a 5/8x1/2 reducing bushing in wheels before. I've also heard 1/2" copper pipe is a good fit. I just dab a little bit of super glue on the outside of the bushing before I insert it. I also hammer out and save old bushings from damaged tires, so I have a few on hand. I would assume it's the same ones that fit into those wheels, from the look of the bolt.
yep, all great ideas!
The machine is a good one. McMaster Carr sells any kind of bushings you may require. Also Tractor supply has some but may not have the size you need. Save the mower and use it for yourself. No one will pay what it is worth. Thanks
thank you for the the information
Nice mower find.👍🙏👍🙏
thank you I appreciate your time and comments.
I bought one of these new for a handcapped friend, 700$ cdn.
He had bad shoulders but there were issues with him.
He refused to use it to mulch and cut more often and used the bag, it was not an easy bag system.
He had to go sideways across his hill and the locking casters were golden for that.
nice thanks for letting us know
I have two 1/2" plumbers wire brushes for cleaning copper pipe and fittings. I cut the handle off one so it fits in my drill. Makes short work of the steel sleeved wheels.
nice idea!
Fancy mowers command a decent markup. You are doing an excellent job with this mower and earned every bit of the profit. Sold my JC version for $70 years ago, as you know. Worn valve guides meant no lash adjustment. Rebuilt the leaking carburetor from recycled parts. Replaced the (expensive) clogged air filter. Sharpened the chipped blade. Tightened the intake pipe. Replaced spark plug. Painted the handle. Missing castor bracket, no accessories and no transmission. Not worth the effort. I did it for the aesthetic appeal as a patina artist and grandson of a late John Deere dealer. Maybe this information will help others to know exactly what to expect with John Deere. Best move it along quick as you can. Don't waste your time.
yes I find this information very helpful and I'll have to keep it in mind when I work on the engine
I want one but I have not many things in my yard but I want one good job
thank you
A guy gave me one of these last year they're pretty freaking awesome
nice, thank you for letting us know
Hand held Zero turn mower is certainly interesting but for most it would end up being a hindrance. Would be a nice display piece in the shop. Might run across someone that just has to have it. 😁
I have to agree with you
I love caster wheels as my little wonder has them. Trust me worth it.
thank you
We had a similar mower to this. Self propelled never worked. That thing was so heavy to push.
yes this mower is heavy, in fact, I do not like picking it up at all.
I ll take a casyer wheel any day.
Thanks for the video🍺
Good choice!
Here’s my opinion on front caster wheels: for a standard, 21”-22” or smaller push mower, they would be nice to have on a commercial unit to save fatigue from all day mowing, but not really needed, and overkill on a residential unit. For a 30” residential unit, I think that they would be nice to have due to the weight of the machine, but not a necessity. For your 30”-32” walk behind self propelled commercial mowers, I think they would be almost a necessity due to the weight of the machines being easily 200 lbs and being much more difficult to maneuver. For the zero turn walk behinds, I think it goes without saying that front caster wheels are a necessity. So basically my opinion on caster wheels is that they depend on what type of walk behind you have.
thanks that makes sense
you probably already fixed the wheel , but for any viewer with the same problem , search "1/2 x 5/8 x 1 1/2 spacer" . might need a 5/8 drill bit , or a round file/rasp depending on amount of wear in wheel .
hey thank you for the information
Glad you got this one off style of mower 😎👌👍
me too, hopefully I can get it going
@@HomeGaragechannel you will get it fixed and running again on do time 🙂
I would love a mower like that. I have a lot of fence line to mow and it would be really good to have. John Deere wants a small fortune for those new, so you could probably get as much as $500 where I live for that mower. John Deere parts are expensive but many can be had in the aftermarket.
Just know that all parts on Deere mowers/engines are NOT inter-changeable with regular B&S/ OEM mfg. Carbs and cranks are NOT inter-changeable. Don't know about other parts..
thank you for the information
thank you for letting me know
I've think I've seen only one of those buddy. It looks very sturdy. If it's got compression, you can get it going again.
agreed and thank you.
Hi. I ome of the those who have a caster mower. It's a 621 cub cadet. I like the casters. Going around obstacles is easier. And I don't have to lift the mower to turn around.
nice, thank you for letting us know
I saw one of those at a garage sale last week for $200, and I was seriously considering buying it because my yard has a LOT of obstacles, do you think I should've bought it for $200?
as long as it starts up and the drive works, yes it's worth it!
@@HomeGaragechannel Ok, thanks for the help:)
no problem
Replace all the seals and make it look mint. Even change the spark plug for something better and wire
good idea
@@HomeGaragechannel will you ever do reeler mowers more often? Also, they sell brake cable tool for bicycles that will lube the lines
Fix it and part it out solves the bushing problem too. You just have one of the wheels instead of 2.
But it seems kind of rare to me so if I had your skill set I’d play with that machine all I could
thank you I'll definitely look into it more
If I were you, I would check the valve guides, they like to move on these engines. It gives a similar symptom as a bad valve clearance.
Especially when head is covered in oil/dirt and has overheated.
thank you for the information
No I never seen a mower like that And no I wouldn't buy one like that either Thank you for the video
thank you Lil Joe!
This mower is very similar to mine. I have the more premium version of this mower (JS45) that is pretty similar to this. It has different wheels that have ball bearings instead of bushings. And it has a personal pace style system where the faster you walk the faster it moves. Parts cost a pretty penny because it’s John Deere. But if you go online to John Deere’s website and type in your model name and number you can still find parts for these even though they have been discontinued for a while. So I’m gonna keep putting money into mine because it’s built better than all the new crap that’s all plastic and made to break. My mower has gone through so much abuse. We used it so hard that both of the front caster wheels welds broke off 😂. We took it to a friends shop and the welded it all back up thankfully. And all the bushings in the castor system where the grease points are were so wore down so we replaced that with the wheels because the bearings were also shot. Our yard is very bumpy with tree roots sticking up everywhere and steep walk out basement hills we have to cut so it gets abused 😅 We also never installed the castor wheels lockers because we drive it straight enough when we use it. There is really no need for it. They are pretty easy to keep straight without those lockers. Every thing else is original besides what we listed that needed fixing. Our only engine issue is the coil that craps out when it’s hot. We gotta fix that because it’s really annoying when your taking a break on a hot day and you have to pull 30 times. I would keep it. That engine is hella powerful. It cuts through the tallest grass and barely bogs down. But if you mulch tall grass it likes to clump but that’s with every mower. So I would keep it. They are really nice and powerful! If you do part it out than I would probably need to buy that ignition coil if it works like it’s supposed to 😅 I don’t get the fuss people say on how they don’t go straight. Ours does with no lockers. All it takes it paying attention and adjusting when needed.
thank you I appreciate the information
I found a js45 on the side of the road. Needed a little tlc but its the best mower I've had
This is their js series, made from 2005-2007. These were actually made by snapper/Briggs. This is one of only two caster mowers Deere made. This is one, and their JS63C. Despite the JS40 not being made by Deere, they are a fine machine and will fetch a pretty penny on the right market. If it needs parts, order the snapper/Briggs part. It’s cheaper.
thank you for the information
I had an Ariens mower with caster wheels come into the shop, it was remarkably similar, same engine. Sold it to a farmer for doing rough areas around trees and such for $300.
wow nice price!
I got a 2 versions like it but it branded ariens I haven't got them yet fixed one has a kawasaki engine and the other has the same intek as the john deere mower here nice work
Thanks for the info
@@HomeGaragechannel your welcome
You could part it out, But consider eBay and mention as a parts mower. Maybe the green you make is yellow gold!
Nice way of putting that
The Gravely with the kidney mower had casters but with the rear discharge was able to trim with both sides of the deck and with a 40 inch width, they were no problem. And with the instant reverse and steering brakes was a dream to mow around and under stuff. That's a neat rig but not needed here. You can get some good out of it. Thanks and Blessings
that's what I was thinking too, thank you Lewie McNeely
@@HomeGaragechannel It suits you! Blessings
I try to only part out machinery that cannot be saved. But you are right, $200 value intact, $400 value as parts is tempting. But parting it out and posting the parts individually on Fleabay and shipping and slowly realizing the $400 over time is a part time job. I think I would rather have the fast Nickel than the slow Dime.
nice way of putting that
What if cars had a weird hub with plastic wheels. And to replace the wheels, you basically had to buy a new car. I think it is hilarious that some little plastic lawnmower wheels are the same price as a 14" car tire shipped halfway around the world. My .02.
Love the content and message overall.
I know right
you gotta try that W-D40 Dry lube w/PTFE
yes I've heard good things about it
might use a piece of nylon tubing , or pex tubing . drive it in , ream with drill bit .
interesting idea.
thanks
no problem and thanks
I'm ob my second caster wheel mower! I bought this CubCadet in 2019 and it has been an excellent machine. It replaced a 20 year-old MTD YardMachines model that is a choose sibling to my CC, which is an MTD brand. The old just needed too many parts to make it feasible to refurbish.
Why a caster wheel mower? I have a circular drive, lots of budgets and shrugs, a patio....it makes so much easier to mow with.
nice, sounds like you definitely need it.
1/2 inch copper pipe to replace bushing
thank you for the tip
If you look carefully you will see this is actually a Snapper Easyline #7800169 SPV21from about 2006. I have a Snapper Easyline SPV21 (non-caster wheel) I bought new in 2006 which is exactly the same as a John Deere JS30. For some unknown reason, John Deere sold this Snapper low end line (created after Simplicity bought Snapper) and the only difference is the green paint instead of Snapper red. The deck is Snapper, but the transmission is Simplicity and it isn't great. Nowhere near as good as a traditional Snapper friction disc type. I've never been able to find out why Deere sold a Snapper design as a Deere.
thank you for sharing that, I'll have to do some research now.
@@HomeGaragechannel Watching your video I see the front wheels and the retaining nut looks the same as a Snapper while the rear wheel on the Snapper is held on with a cotter pin, not a nut as seen on the JD. I think a front wheel can be got new for about $43 on most parts sites under the Snapper model number.
@@HomeGaragechannel The bushing for the rear wheels is #7073618YP as a Snapper part. It's about $9; it just might fit the front axle too... not sure.
thank you for the information
thanks again
These castor mowers seem to be popular with folks who have their yards fenced. The bolt bushings are available at the auto parts store in the shock absorber section. You wont have any trouble selling that mower at a premium price.
thank you for the information
I have this one sitting in my garage. The only issue is the caster arm rusted off. I just need a good deck to place the engine on and I'm good to go
good luck these decks are hard to come by
@@HomeGaragechannel I know, or they're expensive. I plan to just transplant the engine.
We have a toro just like made in about 1998 it was used when I bought it in 2004 we used it for another 4 or 5 years and the motor finally went bad I replaced the motor with a harbor freight predator engine at that time you could buy one for about 90 dollars and I was surprised it fix exactly where the other one was the bolt holes matched up perfectly the shaft was the same it took about two and a half hours to change it out and it runs great to this day my brother used it yesterday the body and transmission are almost 25 years old it has countless hours on it so it was well made out even when it was new it was very expensive the guy told me he paid almost 500 dollars for it in 98 and it was on sell because they were wanting to get rid of it because it was getting late in the year
wow that was some good work there!
It looks rare
I think so
i tell people who want to junk a car for 200-300 dollars. you will get alot more in parts, engine 600 trans 600 differential 300. but the issue is having the space and finding buyers for all the parts. unless u have storage and the time to disassemble sometimes easier to keep it as a whole unit.
you are correct
I recon you should fix it and keep it
that's the way it looks right now.
I have a js 20 and I had to get aftermarket parts but it was as is when I got it and it's still running and working and having something unique to me myself is a talking piece if I have a Convo with someone walking the neighborhood idk me personally I like the thought of hardly anyone has this and mine is working and running
nice, I never thought about it that way.
Did it run? I like to see something run after you fix it. The key to an ultra sonic is - did the carb work correctly after you cleaned it? If I clean a carb it always gets a new rebuild kit. I rebuilt a cultivator last summer and it works fine. You will need to fill up the crankcase with gear oil I also took off the tines and lathered them and the shafts with copper based anti sieve. 😊
so it did start and run, but something terrible happens to it. you'll see it in the next video on it.
Its basically a zero turn pushmower
yes it is
I’d probably be ok with the caster wheels. All I mow with a push mower is around a fence and mostly a steep ditch. It seems like it would be easier to use and a little bit quicker than a regular type push mower.
I think you might be right
Hey bro, what's up? I've never seen a mower like that ever. It seems to have an interesting concept behind the design of it though.
that's what I thought too.
I think caster wheeled machines are neat but on a unit like this one is probably unnecessary. If you go into a machine that's larger like the twin-blade 30 inch units they may prove to be useful and in fact Scag's SFC-30 mower has the option of casters and a lot of people who own the machine say it's easier with the casters than without as it's pretty heavy.
you make a good point
Is the hydrolock issue gonna get fixed in the next video?
yes it is, thanks for understanding
I own one of these and there pretty nice but mine is just more used
nice, hoping to get this one working soon.
If l found one of these JD mowers l would get one with casters, but if it were on one at a box store then not. Come to think of it, l think some of thenew scag push mowers are caster type front ends.
I'll have to take a look now.
Your narration is tops. Is it really you or AI?
it's me, I've thought about using AI though
Brake fluid will penetrate that rust
yes you are correct
yes
thank you
Emptying the bagger that goes with this mower is a horrific experience.
good thing this one didn't have one.
I've seen them around but haven't worked on one yet. Castors seem a bit of a gimic to me . I'd definitely try it out a bit before selling it and if you like it keep it. You're not out much and it's not like they depreciate if you change your mind later.
good point
the fresh start is not a desicant it is an actual fuel stabilizer that drips into the fue as it runs
Really???
I hope it runs
me too, we'll find out here in a bit.
I see a flaw in the wheels, which is why I said in another video that I would put wheels on that have sealed bearings. Sleeve bushing type wheels should be fitted with grease nipples, so they can be lubed fast.
you are correct
@@HomeGaragechannel if I lived closer, I would have made bronze sleeve bushings for the wheels, along with the retaining bolt having a twin spiral groove machined for grease retention, along with grease point in the wheel, or fit needle roller bearing to the wheels, with a grease fitting in the retaining bolts.
I enjoy watching all your videos that you post, I have a question I hope that you can help me with. I have a toro recycler Once it starts, It raps up-and-down.. I have changed the cooperator.
Nothing seems to help the problem I hope you can guide me in the right direction to solving this problem.
sure. I would replace the fuel cap, and the fuel line.
Okay thanks 👍
I have to be honest I want one just to say I have one 😆
nothing wrong with that idea.
I got a good running Honda lawnmower how much do you think I should sell it for
it depends on which model it is and the market in your area, but $150-200
If you don’t mind me asking, what area are you from? I saw one of these at my dump and I just wanted to know if you’re close to me haha love the content
thanks and I would like to keep that information to myself if you don't mind.
@@HomeGaragechannel absolutely! I totally understand. Have you ever done a video on how you got started? I’m considering working on small engines on the side and any info you could share would be super helpful. Love the videos so far
I’m currently working on a Murray mower and the engine brake cable snapped. The part says obsolete everywhere. How interchangeable are brake cables from brand to brand? Should I just measure the cable and find the closest one?
if you want you can give me the model and serial number and I can see what I can find, as for your questions, they are not typically universal, you need to measure the cable length and also the outer cable as well.
@@HomeGaragechannel that’s very kind! The serial number is 112712M 008403
unfortunately I need the model number too.
Any parts sold by John Deere will cost much more than similar parts for similar products.
thank you for that
Do you still have it
yep, still waiting to do the next installment on it.
Chances you getting another 1 of these is nill,I'd sell it for nice price,
good choice
Shame to part out this beast, I’d be keeping it tbh
don't worry that isn't happen here.
I like the caster wheel design. It saves you from the effort of pushing down on the handlebars and spinning the mower 180 degrees to mow the next row of grass. After doing that motion 30 times once every week or two, the stresses add up. That's only if I used a walk behind mower. I wouldn't buy one at all for my use, because the yard requires a lawn tractor. If the mower was worth as much in mower form as it is in parts, you might as well buy a riding mower or a lawn tractor. Not everyone has room for a tractor, but why pay such a high price for an underkill machine that's the same price as an overkill machine with twice the swath?
you make a good point
Yep most likely.
nice
there is a mower just like this one for sale locally on the marketplace for a hunderd dollars but it smokes and not currently running. wonder if a predator or honda swap is doable on this mower. i would probably do away with the self propelled if possible. they seem to be nothing but trouble on most mowers.
you can but you'll find out that the Predator engine has the smaller 7/8" shaft diameter which is smaller than you want for this mower.
Sounds like a Deere product. Lots of money for parts.
yep agreed.
If you want to sell it, I’ll buy it as I have been looking for one for a while
I appreciate the offer.
@@HomeGaragechannel you’re welcome
It's so sad to see good stuff at the dump getting plowed under by a dozier. I always wonder what the story is. Whether it's just a landlord indiscriminately clearing out a tenants left behind stuff or someones memories from a bad divorce.
I know right, when I saw this one, I felt sad too.
Hey! im just asking about fuel for my stuil fc 70 edger. Do you think ill be fine using regular gas station gas mixed with sthil oil? yes or no?
yes I do, just remember to run it till it stops before winter
@@HomeGaragechannel Tysm!
anytime
bruh can you start telling us exact prices on things. you said the price to replace the wheel was astronomical. how much money was it?
it wasn't important to the story but it was a $100 a wheel
Thanks for the video. I could make you a new bushing if you’d like. I have an email link on my channel.
thanks, I'll contact you If I decide to.
I work at John Deere dealership and these machines are really Murray. They are extremely cheaply made and they are just a bad mistake John Deere made. It is a good idea just executed poorly and cheap.
thank you for letting us know