With fiber pads people could use a pad washer but the worst is forced rotation and using a pad washer, they dont spin fast enough to blow enough water out. Im with you mike on using more pads, use more pads and you will stay in the maximum cut and finish window and extend their life. Some of my old pads are 10-24 years old and totally fine after 50-100 cars but thats why people call me the pad king which is my pad brand name for good reason. Closed cell retains heat so it works efficiently but wont last as long. I can access closed cell foam and i will have them made for a hand polishing for non paint exterior surfaces.. They work really well for hand use. There is semi open cell too
I really like to use the Optimum system and sometimes it's not convenient for me to use the pad washer. Instead I'll take a towel misted with ONR and use that to wipe the face of the pad on the fly. Note that I don't use their pads. I use either the original Buff and Shine "Grip" pads or the Hex Logic (green toncut, blue to polish, red forultra finishing). The waffle probably wouldn't work with that technique. The fiber pad I use is the Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool. It works well enough for me.
For what it's worth, even though the manufacturers of pad cleaning machines, (Lake Country and Grit Guard), state that their pad cleaners will work with any type of polisher, (and this is true), they work the best when using a rotary polisher. Besides the single rotational direction, the rotary spins a pad, when you're finished, due to their higher RPM they work better for slinging out any residual water and/or cleaning solution via centrifugal force. Here's the link to a fairly exhaustive video on how to clean wool pads in pad washers using rotary polishers. I include a few tips and techniques for all types or ways to clean wool pads BUT the technique I show for wool pads in the two different pad washers also works for foam, microfiber and microwool pads. *6 Methods For CLEANING Wool Buffing Pads!* ruclips.net/video/lWDBFOEqWQo/видео.html Thanks for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
@@mikephillipsrealworlddetailing excellent mike. I definitely best with rotary. Though my metabo 15-20 RT only goes to 1900 rpm so not as high as 3200-3500 or 4400 like my flex variable speed stone polisher/grinder i used to power my dynabrade rotary to DA adaptors with offset rotary mode a decade ago which i still have.
Great questions, I wish I would have thought or remembered to cover this topic. The reality is, "most" not "all" pads made for use on an orbital can be used on a rotary the EXCEPTION is super thin pads, be they foam, microfiber or microwool, tend to not work really well on rotary polishers. A thicker pad on a rotary offers more cushion or flexibility and this simply seems to work better and also safer with the type of single rotational drive pattern offered by the rotary. When it comes to pads for FREE SPINNING random orbital polishes, what works best, no matter what the material is made out of is a pad that is designed via weight, thickness, size and shape for any specific tool. For example, RUPES is the best at *TUNING* or designing their pads to rotate and oscillate best for free spinning random orbital polishes. Griot's and Meguiar's do a good job too for their THIN pads for their free spinning random orbital polishes. With GEAR-DRIVEN orbital, they work best with THICK pads, not THIN pads. Most FOAM pads for rotary polishes will work great on gear-driven orbital and visa-versa. Thin FIBER pads tend to be very GRABBY on gear-driven orbitals, so if you're going to use any type of fiber pad on a gear-driven orbital you want a fiber pads with a thicker foam interface between the velcro backing and the face of the working side of the pad OR you can use a foam interface pad between the backing plate and the pad you want to use. Hope that helps and thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
Mike, Harbor Freight recently came out with these new Grant’s pads. I am baffled how they offer two 6in micro fiber pads for $9.99 and the foam pads are the same price but you only get one. From what I understand micro fiber pads usually cost more in price than foam pads because of the cost of materials. I know it’s hard to say why a company would do something but do you see any logic in this, I am baffled?
Hi @teslamr7333, I have no good explanation as to why they priced two pads as the same as one pad in the context that as you point out, it likely costs more and requires a tick more time to make a 3-component pad as compared to a 2-component pad. The DAY before we shot this LIVE class, I went to my local Harbor Freight to pick up one or two of the Harbor Freight branded foam pads and the shelves were completely empty. The nice lady at the checkout counter told me they were switching the pad *PACKAGING* to the *Grant* branding but the pads would be the same. I just assumed she meant the foam pads; she didn't mention any new additions so thanks for updating me. Next time I'm at my local HF I'll check to see of the new packaging and pads are back in stock and I'll also check out the microfiber pads. One guess as to why they did this is it's all about PERCEPTION. To place ONE thin microfiber pad into a clamshell package simply looks wrong. By including two microfiber pads, there's a increase value perception simply due to the volume of pads as compared to on big thick foam pad, which shows a lot of volume. Just a guess. Also, another guess, wherever these are being manufactured, they are being manufactured on a HUGE SCALE and thus there's likely a lot more room for pricing and profits. Thanks for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
Amazing video Mike , the most comprehensive and interesting pad explanation I’ve seen, thankyou.
Thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
You’re a true Legend! Thanks Mike 😎
Thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
I recently bought 4 yellow edgeguard pads. They are very nice.
I agree, especially when doing HARD buffing and going up on edge.
Thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
With fiber pads people could use a pad washer but the worst is forced rotation and using a pad washer, they dont spin fast enough to blow enough water out. Im with you mike on using more pads, use more pads and you will stay in the maximum cut and finish window and extend their life. Some of my old pads are 10-24 years old and totally fine after 50-100 cars but thats why people call me the pad king which is my pad brand name for good reason. Closed cell retains heat so it works efficiently but wont last as long. I can access closed cell foam and i will have them made for a hand polishing for non paint exterior surfaces.. They work really well for hand use. There is semi open cell too
I really like to use the Optimum system and sometimes it's not convenient for me to use the pad washer.
Instead I'll take a towel misted with ONR and use that to wipe the face of the pad on the fly.
Note that I don't use their pads. I use either the original Buff and Shine "Grip" pads or the Hex Logic (green toncut, blue to polish, red forultra finishing). The waffle probably wouldn't work with that technique.
The fiber pad I use is the Lake Country Purple Foamed Wool.
It works well enough for me.
For what it's worth, even though the manufacturers of pad cleaning machines, (Lake Country and Grit Guard), state that their pad cleaners will work with any type of polisher, (and this is true), they work the best when using a rotary polisher. Besides the single rotational direction, the rotary spins a pad, when you're finished, due to their higher RPM they work better for slinging out any residual water and/or cleaning solution via centrifugal force.
Here's the link to a fairly exhaustive video on how to clean wool pads in pad washers using rotary polishers. I include a few tips and techniques for all types or ways to clean wool pads BUT the technique I show for wool pads in the two different pad washers also works for foam, microfiber and microwool pads.
*6 Methods For CLEANING Wool Buffing Pads!*
ruclips.net/video/lWDBFOEqWQo/видео.html
Thanks for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
@@mikephillipsrealworlddetailing excellent mike. I definitely best with rotary. Though my metabo 15-20 RT only goes to 1900 rpm so not as high as 3200-3500 or 4400 like my flex variable speed stone polisher/grinder i used to power my dynabrade rotary to DA adaptors with offset rotary mode a decade ago which i still have.
Excellent video mike!! 👍🏻🇨🇦
Thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
I missed the live but a question I didn't see asked or covered. What makes a pad specific to DA vs rotary. Microfiber, wool, foam?
Great questions, I wish I would have thought or remembered to cover this topic. The reality is, "most" not "all" pads made for use on an orbital can be used on a rotary the EXCEPTION is super thin pads, be they foam, microfiber or microwool, tend to not work really well on rotary polishers. A thicker pad on a rotary offers more cushion or flexibility and this simply seems to work better and also safer with the type of single rotational drive pattern offered by the rotary.
When it comes to pads for FREE SPINNING random orbital polishes, what works best, no matter what the material is made out of is a pad that is designed via weight, thickness, size and shape for any specific tool. For example, RUPES is the best at *TUNING* or designing their pads to rotate and oscillate best for free spinning random orbital polishes. Griot's and Meguiar's do a good job too for their THIN pads for their free spinning random orbital polishes.
With GEAR-DRIVEN orbital, they work best with THICK pads, not THIN pads. Most FOAM pads for rotary polishes will work great on gear-driven orbital and visa-versa.
Thin FIBER pads tend to be very GRABBY on gear-driven orbitals, so if you're going to use any type of fiber pad on a gear-driven orbital you want a fiber pads with a thicker foam interface between the velcro backing and the face of the working side of the pad OR you can use a foam interface pad between the backing plate and the pad you want to use.
Hope that helps and thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
@mikephillipsrealworlddetailing thanks so much for the in depth response. Great video!! Great content
Happy thanksgiving mike! Do you have any experience using car pros “denim orange peeling” pads?
Great video awesome input wonderful history 😊😊
Thank you for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
Mike, Harbor Freight recently came out with these new Grant’s pads. I am baffled how they offer two 6in micro fiber pads for $9.99 and the foam pads are the same price but you only get one. From what I understand micro fiber pads usually cost more in price than foam pads because of the cost of materials. I know it’s hard to say why a company would do something but do you see any logic in this, I am baffled?
Hi @teslamr7333,
I have no good explanation as to why they priced two pads as the same as one pad in the context that as you point out, it likely costs more and requires a tick more time to make a 3-component pad as compared to a 2-component pad. The DAY before we shot this LIVE class, I went to my local Harbor Freight to pick up one or two of the Harbor Freight branded foam pads and the shelves were completely empty. The nice lady at the checkout counter told me they were switching the pad *PACKAGING* to the *Grant* branding but the pads would be the same.
I just assumed she meant the foam pads; she didn't mention any new additions so thanks for updating me. Next time I'm at my local HF I'll check to see of the new packaging and pads are back in stock and I'll also check out the microfiber pads.
One guess as to why they did this is it's all about PERCEPTION. To place ONE thin microfiber pad into a clamshell package simply looks wrong. By including two microfiber pads, there's a increase value perception simply due to the volume of pads as compared to on big thick foam pad, which shows a lot of volume. Just a guess. Also, another guess, wherever these are being manufactured, they are being manufactured on a HUGE SCALE and thus there's likely a lot more room for pricing and profits.
Thanks for watching and commenting. -Mike Phillips
You need a seperate session just to figure out all the Lake Country pads. Unnecessarily confusing!
Thanks for watching and commenting! -Mike Phillips