As the one guy in the fandom who has literally zero connection to Tsukihime and hasn’t read the VN /only knows a small bit of the lore because of the wiki, I’m very happy for you guys. I honestly thought it was going to be someone knights of the round related or kirei, but when they started showing off all the tsukihime and melty blood stuff during the stream I was like “okay maybe it’ll be Arcueid.” The second hand hype during the reveal was awesome. It was really cool to see everyone excited for a new character.
Respect earned for you saying you know little about Tsukihime but are happy cause of the happiness Arcueid generated. For real, quite a lot got mad because they "didn't know her" but FGO is a good place to learn about myths and characters one has never heard of. Since she is gonna be important in game soon I can't wait to see her.
It kinda goes like this now. Skadi Dantes Era Spishtar/MiyamuZerk + Castoria And now Arcueid + Koyan. Literally just 3 of this units can be your best farmer for bonds and you wont event have to suffer going through that dying/switching animation 👍
Been labbing out 6ce comps with Arcueid. 1. Arc double koyan atlas. Easiest but potato damage. 2. Arc double oberon koyan. Needs arcs mana loading unlocked. 3. Double arc Oberon. Potato damage first 2 turns and hard to find support arc with teatime or event ce. 3. Arc Koyan(D) Oberon Koyan(L). Needs Koyan(D) mana loading max and be the attacker for turn 2.
She has the easiest looping requirement in the game double koyan and atlas. no ce needed. her biggest flaw is her potato np. at np 2 with no ce mine hits around 75k per enemy on turn 3, 110k with black grail.
They made her literally busted since Arcueid lore shows she's that powerful, then again this treatment should also been give to Void Shiki though her Assassin Shiki holds up to her own lore
You may want to check your numbers here, pretty sure the pity system triggers at 30 x 11 multi pulls which is 330 pulls or 900 SQ. 170 multis is 1870 pulls or 5100 SQ that's A LOT!
Off topic but since Arc has introduced changing the land with a NP,I think it's high time Asterios got a animation update & buff. Imagine his labyrinth actually staying once Asterios slams it down on the enemy.
She's literally made for the Black Grail double Koyanskaya buster farming meta. And those who are downplaying her i question if they even know what they are talking about. Yes np.2 is probably the most ideal for her to make it easier to farm but there are plenty of demonstration videos uploaded showing how insane Arcueid is. Heck in the video that ZTL is showcasing there is only a level 82 Arcueid doing the job.
Arcueid is probably the least complicated Buster looper to use, and I think that by itself is worth it if you're using a double Vitch setup. Plus, she's adorable.
After seeing the discussion about type earth in some places, it's safe to say that she's in the situation just like void shiki (void shiki got done in way too dirty in my opinion with no skill rework at all despite being the strongest being in nasuverse AND a year one servant) where one of the strongest character in nasuverse isn't really all that powerful in fgo unless you have a higher np level of her just like void shiki so it really depend how much you plan to invest/ love the character in my opinion Edit: also this is probably the main reason we're getting 1k SQ (if you have max ascend all of the servant in the game) but keep in mind so save some for proto merlin since she will mostly likely be the new best support for our quick build which is something I look forward to
Tbh this servant is beginner friendly but mostly stops there, NP dmg is lacking against anything non-chaotic, field buff is exclusive to her and she has low base dmg with no significant class adv. CDs are too long even with double koyan(8-3-4 still leaves you with 1 turn so you can only get S2/3 back on turn 3). Good jack of all trade NP support but too convoluted for late game players. Still miles beneath Super Arjuna at pretty much everything damage related and Koyan/Vort exists for buster supports. So if you want proto Merlin I’d cap yourself to a certain number of pulls to see if you get lucky and stop. She’s a trophy servant if anything and doesn’t really perform that well in most situations.
Arcueid is no where near the hype we all hope. She is strong, yes but miles away from being broken. I think she is like OG Artoria 2.0 before DW buffed her skill. Can do literally everything but never good at any of those.
No, she's really good even if you're missing the major meta supports. She's extremely versatile and can perform as a a stally DPS due to a superior Harp of Healing and can also charge her supports using her S3. She has an excellent deck and she can spam her NP quite often. In farming, she can run double Koyan and Atlas to 6CE farm anything at NP3. That's plugless, so it makes her the best Buster farmer in the game. Damage isn't everything; there is a reason why AA isn't considered the best Farmer ever.
@@kun2588 We all agree that Arcueid is powerful. Just that she is not broken nor outstanding. 3 years have anniversary servants that completely change the meta. Skadi, Castoria and Koyanskaya of Light. Arcueid is newbie friendly but older players would have better options when farming. Arcueid's damage is too low that even with Black Grail, Morgan will out damage her, let alone Arjuna Alter
@@kun2588 Lol why would you start your statement with “No” when you’re basically agreeing with most of what we’re saying. Saying she’s good when you don’t have meta supports is exactly what beginner friendly means and the flip side of that is she’s not that good even IF you have all those supports, trust me I tried every combination of buster comps before I decided there’s not enough copium in the world to make her top tier. We also covered that whole versatile angle by saying she’s a jack of all trades. Sure you can say she gets better NP return than AA she’s has a damn 100% charge but that’s the equivalent of saying because you have more NP generation you’d rather have Murasaki than space Ishtar. I bet you can farm torches and doors all day long with her at NP3 barely passing the dmg threshold but I can do that with any blue AOE DPS like Summer Musashi or Old man Shirou. Btw good luck doing 100 Hassans with a mooncancer that can barely top 300K AOE. I’ll take my AA 2 mill per NP 2 turn rotations and 300k buster Crits on turn 3 anyday thank you very much. No body said Arcrueid is bad, she is underwhelming, especially for an anniversary servant. If you think she can even come close to competing with other anniversary releases like Muramasa and Castoria you are on some high grade copium rofl.
I'm very impressed, she does 20k less damage than my Morgan, neither hitting their niche and Morgan at lvl 100 while Morgan Is super effective against everything and Archetype is doing neutral damage most of the time. (Both np 1 with a regular black grail and double kyonskaya)
Arcueid just blessed me with my fourth SSR double summon. She's absolutely worth it. While she wasn't the easiest NP5 I've had, I still think she's worth it. Also, my catalyst was the Tsukihime remake op1 on repeat. Literally got the double summon right at the start of the breakdown right before the chorus kicks in. Figured it was appropriate, and it was.
Really looking forward to getting this on NA in 2 years, Arcueid was my favorite character back in the day, even used that as my ID for a lot of stuff.
Welp, I'm definitely throwing away any roll plans I had for 2024. I'm likely going to save a year worth of Quartz, from Ani 6 to 7, if Proto Merlin and Arcueid are gonna be meta warping powerhouses. The only banner that surpasses Arcueid's so far is Morgan's Sea Monster Crisis banner, but even that might become a moot point if I manage to roll NP2 in her banner after Ani 6.
I made my jp account literally 2 days ago, I got Arcuied, got my free Kscope, free waver, and I’m gonna pull on one of the gssrs soon enough. I’m out here living
@@gokuisthe1 some aoe damage dealer or waifu. If you are starting now - you can try rerolling for Koyanskaya of the light - today her banner ends, so there is not much time, but she is better support than Waver. And if you started some time ago and dont want to reroll soon enough(march-april) there will be Castoria banner and she is the best support in the game.
On JP can't say I really need her that much when I already have the ever faithful Morgan at np5 with Vitch, Oberon and Castoria to take care of business. On NA summer Kiara is now np4 and a bunch of buster farmers are waiting for Koyan and Oberon to show up so it's kind of the same deal there. Just so many options already. She certainly looks like a solid unit to invest in for those who don't already have strong omni farmers or who just like her as a character. I can certainly see the appeal tho I really don't know much about her - yet! Her potential for CQs seems high too! *EDIT: Figured I could spare a few rolls to celebrate her release, give her a chance to show up if she wanted to. Glad I did cause she came home within a mere 23 pulls along with Xu Fu 😄
I'll consider rolling for Arc if Muramasa & Morgan are amiable to me next year as I've still to recover from the emotional damage Summer BB brought me by ruining the 600sq X ticket np2 streak I often got when rolling for SSRs.
I can't wait to get her in 2 years plus the whole Saint quartz bonus for every final ascension servant is very generous so I'll be trying to upgrade some of my low star servants
im lowkew fucking tilted i didnt get muramasa from garanteed gssr but insted got a 6th copy of a saber i already got but i cant really complain..i literly got arcueid NP 3 within 3 multi pulls and 6 ticked pulls...and every thing was pretty much sponsored by those ~200+ SQ you got when logging in aswell as from the aniversary green cube sales for tickes.... and i still got shit left for proto-merlin, even tho i don't really want her thb...
Tsukihime is one of the literal reason why older Type moon fans sticking with FGO despite the game's apparent flaw. Definitely will all in when she reach to Global server
Ngl it feels like her skills are trying to make up for her class just way too much it doesn’t really stick. I’m more disappointed that her HP isn’t any higher when she on paper has similar amount of attack as Jinako and Kiara. She’s good but her classing makes her a hella of a lot more annoying to use, doesn’t mean I don’t like her tho.
I never said she wasn’t good, I was trying to point out that her stats are really lackluster without her skills, which also have very long cooldowns. Now sure you could justify this by using her with koyanskaya, but she simply doesn’t do enough multiplicative damage when it comes down to it (without Black Grail). Again her classing sucks, without including her skills and passives that’s my main point.
@@MageOfLuck I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t make sense “without her skills” you act like people are going to be playing her without using her skills so that isn’t even a option to consider you expect her to be a really good character without skills? and she just came out bro stop acting like you know the character ins and outs
Similar attack as Jinako? What are you smoking? Jinako has only like 9K ATK lmao. Arc's stats are just fine. In fact, she has the highest attack among the Moon Cancers, which is good, because she’s most of all a farmer Servant. But even then, her passive makes her really good for difficult content, too. Also, she's the only Buster farmer that can use BG besides Melusine and Caster Cu, I think. And being Moon Cancer makes her a better universal farmer. She's hella good.
The best part about her, she's the 2nd Buster Farmers that can abuse Black Grail with no need to switch out for a 3rd charger. Do that with Vortigern and i can see her outdamaging even someone like Melusine
Nah... do that with someone who give heavier buff like Nightingale... your don't have to NP chage Arc because she can charge herself on the third turn so you can bring someone really hammy.
@@SlothofBangkok technically Vortigern still provides heavier Buffs at the exchange of only for that Turn. Florence gives 50% Buste, Vortigern gives that along with doubling any NP Damage buff Arcueid already has
Not 2nd. 4th. CasCu and Oberon can also use BG. And Arc's W1 and W2 damage is waaay superior to Meluko, it's w3 where she loses out due to Meluko having access to Oberon. But imo, Arc is the better farmer because she can farm plugless. Also, she can run triple 6CE triple DPS setup with two other ML unlocked 50% chargers so there's that too.
@@Gspoink Yeah, to make full use of her you need NP levels. Kinda smart of Lasengle this time. To make use of Koyan, Skadi and Castoria, you only need one copy but Arc, who is absolutely broken from a farming utility perspective needs multiple copies to truly shine. At sufficient investment, she can clear almost anything.
If she would’ve been in the berserker class she would’ve been the best Buster farmer in the game. She is a really good designed servant but she is not a must pull (if you are no Arcueid / saber face simp as I am xD)
I know that, thats why i mentioned her name seperate from the term "saberface" ^^ but its unfortinately fact that most of the fate community see her as a one because of the remake art design and because takeuchi faces look all almost the same. Saber was just much more present in the last 20ish years
Created a jp account just to get proto merlin and decided to try and get arcueid and got her with a ticket, so here I am Also good luck to all those who want her!
Sure it's not FGO fans being salty at a Tsuki/MB character in their game? I'll tell you what some MB fans are malding at in various amounts: Mash and Neco-Arc in all her gag glory
Not really a meta because the dmg isn’t all that good even with double KOL and Oberon. If your fighting really weak monsters than sure that team works wonders.
The thing that make skill one good is it Magnitude that 30% atk boost on top of 20% down... that is a Mana bust (on top of the Millenium castle)... then the MLB K scope on the skill with 20 NP buff make her ridiculous--She hit all the all three buff type on just her passive, S1 and S2, then the S3 also charge everyone on top of an invul... She broke everyone Spine. Compatible with the best of the best like Castoria (42% passive art buff is cancerous) and Merlin... then there is waver and Rein. Just her S2 is busted enough on that NP, but 1 and 3 just put the cream on top. And the best of all... can 3 turn farms with 2 Morgan.
Yea, I think our man ZTL's a tad bit over-enthusiastic here like I can see her doing great with grails, gold fous, np2/np3+, black grail and top supports but out of the box np1 looks rough
@@kun2588 Are you nuts ? Do you even have her ? My NP3 Arc did potato damage with double Vitch and BG, and she can't even use Oberon without dropping the BG, a lot of buster servant did more damage than her, not even worth to be compared to AA, if you use her you will know immediately.
@ZTL keep up the great work! Really enjoying the daily videos and the fact you keep trying to improve them. Only wanted to point out that I feel like I (and other viewers) like watching these informative videos to get some first impressions and weigh whether we want to summon - given that, I don’t feel like you really answer if she is a “must” summon. Sure she seems nuts but, for example, what type of player/box is she good for? Is she only worth with “x” support? Is she a unit every player ought to pull for? Not a big deal for players who can make these decisions themselves but I think would just add another reason for us to watch these already great videos :)
She is pretty strong, probably a Morgan level servant and definitely worth drawing, but please also remember that the proto merlin(Pretender class?) is coming in mid Aug.
@@erjohn5404 Nah that's cap. In terms of damage, she's above Gil and roughly equal to Morgan (assuming that they aren't hitting niche). Both Gil and Morgan needs a plug to farm, so Arc is the superior farmer and Arc can do it with 6CEs. She needs NP levels, but to be fair, so does everyone else. She also has better party utility, can perform as a stally DPS and has party charge. Her only weakness is her class (bad offensive modifier and low attack stat and rarely hitting class advantage). How's either Gil or Morgan better than her?
@@erjohn5404 Also, she can change the battlefield(3T) and gave the whole team buff removal resistance(1T) which make her able to fight some of the High Difficulty quest.
@@erjohn5404 shes hitting 100K ish per enemy at Np 1 with vitch buffs and has better skills for the party so thats false, shes straight up better than Morgan in dmg and supportability
note that this dmg is with black grail which mskes her do way more dmg its the same reason why melusine is the hardest hitting buster farmer if u have black grail, and everyone can get a free black grail tomorrow
I think I'm the only person in the world that's not hyped in the least for her and won't go out of his way to summon for her, maybe just 10 tickets. I play on NA so still got 2 years to change my mind... but seems unlikely.
@@shadowsfrost1 Her second ascension is literally "our" Arcueid. And I mean, literally. Technically the first ascension is too, but you know what I mean.
Got spoked by arjuna and galatea .. failed to get her. My jp got easly spoked by ssr recently, got nemo on archuria summer and karna on maid alter. Save the remaining sq for proto merlin, hope to get her .
@@cashbag They gave us so many SQ that it's not unfeasible to reach that NP without spending. Got her to NP5 myself with an extra copy of Saber Artoria within ~350 SQ or so. It's doable but it does take a bit of luck.
I got her on my job account 3 times. I've never really taken that account seriously, but I have all the top supporters on it. About time I really pushed to see how far I can get in it!
I....think so? She's no Melusine or Cu Caster, and her NP's and S3's charge restrictions are annoying, but at the end of the day she's a AoE Buster Servant that's fully compatible and benefits with Double Koyan System with Black Grail, and the *only* concession you have to make is running Atlas in such set-ups. That, or virtually _any_ Charge CE with plugsuit and a Welfare Waver or better if you can't pull off the most optimal comp for one reason or another. Heck, Superscope w/ 2 50% Chargers is about as braindead of a comp as you can get if you're just farming low-level stuff, and in the case of Waver or Reines her NP's OC effect actually is worth a damn. Sure, you have to pull like NP2 or 3 to reliably be able to omni-farm, but that's the same for about any Servant now-in-days that way to do nodes outside their favored match-ups. The only reasons to NOT get her is if you've already got the Melusine dream team rolling or a Compete Chad CuCaster, have someone like Morgan and don't feel like getting another flavor of omni-attacker, or you're waiting for Proto Merlin's banner and can't afford to roll for her and Arc. If you got the SQ and desire for a Tsukihime Servant and none of those issues matter, this Servant is literally a dream come true for you mates!
She's better than Meluko and CuCaster, imo. She can 6CE plugless, which Meluko and CasCu can't. In the case of the latter, it's due to lacklustre damage without BG. She can't use the s3 charge on herself anyway.
@@kun2588 and still equally or at most slightly better than a 3 star with guaranteed np1, her accessibility is not worth it if you ca get 5 copy of cu pretty much free. And this is why I still prefer castoria more than koyanskaya too cuz art servants can farm with much easier and cheaper tools.
I like the fact that she's not the farmer focus type and is stronger in CQ with the battlefield..... regardless I'm happy i have her np2 time to overwork my new numba 1 Bae (sorry Morgan) and will br my first level 120 servant
From what I can tell, Arcueid is the new flagship buster farmer. That 100% battery allows for the use of any CE with double Koyanskaya and Atlas mystic code. She has a 20% np dmg, 30% attack, and 30% buster steroid for 3 turns. This girl is nuts!
You're wrong. She has bad dmg on NP and can't normal farm 90+ quests. She need NP 2-3 and higher + lvl 100 or above + 2k focuns will be good for farm. Without NP2+, she will be even worse than Morgan with her 100k max dmg without Oberon
@@noia3938 people think she good but she not summer bb and summer sessoin way better if she had single target np then she mad good but nope also anti chaos useless
@@ericx6969 anyway, all ppl was waiting Arcueid. She is ultimative servant, but her dmg potential need at least 2 copies and max dmg boost from lvl, CE and focuns
Except that she's NOT. I have her at NP3 myself, and holy god her damage sucks. With double Vitch and BG, she barely able to kill the last wave in extreme ember, and she can't use Oberon while having BG due to the 7 turns 2nd skill, so with Oberon the damage kinda similar since you will have to use another CE, but the 1st and 2nd wave would be worse. I have to pair her with another farmer like Morgan to clear a wave so that i can use both Oberon and BG, and even then her damage is still not impressive by anymean, NP1 would be much worse, she's did even less damage than a Kscope Dante
Unless you are planning to at least np3 her, then its not worth it. her NP hit like wet noodles and her kit is ok. Even with double koyanskya you wont be hitting more than 150k at maxed skill
@@wha2081 from my experience, np 2 is enough to clear QP note using double koyanskaya. That is assuming you have a black grail, with or without limit breaking
I got Koyanskaya in GSSR but I don't really have any compatible servants without Oberon. (Only one that qualifies in Ivan the Terrible but he needs Oberon) I have a *MIGHTY NEED* for moon saber.
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem yeah have you seen a lot of memes around that concept? Creativity is what makes it unique by adding the already existing concept with your own twist lol
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem yeah the series that doesnt have "oh i have a devil inside of me, im gonna befriend it" type of crap. And injuries oh yeah the scars are chef kiss/plotarmor dont work on the peak fiction. Specially the culling games, although its clear that after culling game its gonna be the final saga as there nothing else to do other than finish the job while killing some characters
might not even be enough. she has the easiest looping requirement in the game double koyan and atlas. no ce needed. her biggest flaw is her potato np. at np 2 with no ce mine hits around 75k per enemy on turn 3, 110k with black grail.
@@brucewayne3892 if you have mana loading unlocked you can also use double oberon koyan(any 50% charger) Arc but the comp requires plugsuit to 6ce. Yoi can also forget koyan and run a 50% ce+mana loading or imaginary element for 5ce but turn 1 and 2 dmg still isnt to the level of spishtar, kama, morgan.
They went “here take two very anticipated characters back to back, what you don’t have enough SQ? Here’s 1000 SQ”
If you have all maxed out…
Lasagna's based
@@wilsonfeng5872 sure, having _all_ the servants is a hard task, but you're still going to get a heap of SQ from your own servants at least.
they didnt give 1k depends it depends on your servant. I thought they goib to give 1k too
@@Horizontalvertigo Not many people are getting all servants let alone maxing their ascension.
As the one guy in the fandom who has literally zero connection to Tsukihime and hasn’t read the VN /only knows a small bit of the lore because of the wiki, I’m very happy for you guys. I honestly thought it was going to be someone knights of the round related or kirei, but when they started showing off all the tsukihime and melty blood stuff during the stream I was like “okay maybe it’ll be Arcueid.”
The second hand hype during the reveal was awesome. It was really cool to see everyone excited for a new character.
Respect earned for you saying you know little about Tsukihime but are happy cause of the happiness Arcueid generated. For real, quite a lot got mad because they "didn't know her" but FGO is a good place to learn about myths and characters one has never heard of. Since she is gonna be important in game soon I can't wait to see her.
I love arc she s so fun and good I was really hyped when she was revealed and when I got her with 3 multis
Good for u man....
I got her within 300 pulls.......
@@aztarolous1304 All hail the pity gang XD
It kinda goes like this now.
Skadi Dantes Era
Spishtar/MiyamuZerk + Castoria
And now
Arcueid + Koyan. Literally just 3 of this units can be your best farmer for bonds and you wont event have to suffer going through that dying/switching animation 👍
Been labbing out 6ce comps with Arcueid.
1. Arc double koyan atlas. Easiest but potato damage.
2. Arc double oberon koyan. Needs arcs mana loading unlocked.
3. Double arc Oberon. Potato damage first 2 turns and hard to find support arc with teatime or event ce.
3. Arc Koyan(D) Oberon Koyan(L). Needs Koyan(D) mana loading max and be the attacker for turn 2.
At what NP level?
@@kun2588 NP2 Lv90 10/10/6
She has the easiest looping requirement in the game double koyan and atlas. no ce needed. her biggest flaw is her potato np. at np 2 with no ce mine hits around 75k per enemy on turn 3, 110k with black grail.
What is atlas?
@@Itamar536. atlas uniform mc. The one that reduces cooldown by 2.
They made her literally busted since Arcueid lore shows she's that powerful, then again this treatment should also been give to Void Shiki though her Assassin Shiki holds up to her own lore
Void Shiki suffers from early game mentality.
@@josephcortright9035 Yep sadly
As a Koyanless master, I am gonna spend all of my saved resources plus anniversary SQ on her regardless of meta mainly because she is waifu.
Stumbled upon that Mafia guy's (that bald FGO event host) summon stream.
He got Arcueid after 170 multipulls.
And lots of Xu Fu.
i got mine on first roll
@@ricardomiranda2219 Lucky!!
OMG he is on his 600th multipull now and has gotten 3 copies of Arcueid.
You may want to check your numbers here, pretty sure the pity system triggers at 30 x 11 multi pulls which is 330 pulls or 900 SQ. 170 multis is 1870 pulls or 5100 SQ that's A LOT!
@@Fluffy-cx3cr Oh... A zero too many lol 😅
He adds 10 after every multipull
Though I envy he has the superchats to fund him
I had 90 quartz, and 10 tickets with a dream... and bois JP decided to small upon me with not just Alcruied but also Nemo today is a great day
I'm currently on the toilet and this is the first thing I've seen since I woke up, guaranteed I screamed and now I feel better 😂😩
Off topic but since Arc has introduced changing the land with a NP,I think it's high time Asterios got a animation update & buff.
Imagine his labyrinth actually staying once Asterios slams it down on the enemy.
As someone who's only knowledge of Arc was the Nekoarc takeover memes and the random lore thrown at me, this hyped me up way too much.
No one is a must summon, you go for whoever you want
She's literally made for the Black Grail double Koyanskaya buster farming meta. And those who are downplaying her i question if they even know what they are talking about. Yes np.2 is probably the most ideal for her to make it easier to farm but there are plenty of demonstration videos uploaded showing how insane Arcueid is. Heck in the video that ZTL is showcasing there is only a level 82 Arcueid doing the job.
Arcueid is probably the least complicated Buster looper to use, and I think that by itself is worth it if you're using a double Vitch setup.
Plus, she's adorable.
You know what? Fuck it, I don't care about fucking meta at all. I'm going to summon her even if I have to dumped all my hard earned Saint Quartzes.
Got her with 40 pulls
She's almost here.....
There's even a Morgan banner to tempt me of my savings....
BUT I WILL RESIST!
Don't, hold on a little longer.
I'm gonna pull for her because she is waifu and because I want to make a team with 3 main poster waifu Saber Artoria, Assassin Shiki and Arcueid
After seeing the discussion about type earth in some places, it's safe to say that she's in the situation just like void shiki (void shiki got done in way too dirty in my opinion with no skill rework at all despite being the strongest being in nasuverse AND a year one servant) where one of the strongest character in nasuverse isn't really all that powerful in fgo unless you have a higher np level of her just like void shiki so it really depend how much you plan to invest/ love the character in my opinion
Edit: also this is probably the main reason we're getting 1k SQ (if you have max ascend all of the servant in the game) but keep in mind so save some for proto merlin since she will mostly likely be the new best support for our quick build which is something I look forward to
she is what we call in the business.
" A MUST SUMMON"
Spent 600 sq, didnt get her.
Update: after 120 more sq + 23 tickets finaly got her.
meanwhile I got her on first multi. It is what it is
same 720 sq. no single copy. i m done with her.
@@jporob you could try going for 990 to get her quarantined.
damn bro ...
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gonna roll for her because she’s hot.
me looking at thumbnail: finally Arc is here, just gotta wait for her to reach NA
me watching video: hold up, ARCHETYPE: EARTH!?
That's her localization English name for some weird reason, her Japanese name is translated as True Ancestor Arcueid
@@lhv2k lol I see. Either way no way chaldea can fuel the mana cost of the planet itself but im not complaining that she's there haha
Tbh this servant is beginner friendly but mostly stops there, NP dmg is lacking against anything non-chaotic, field buff is exclusive to her and she has low base dmg with no significant class adv. CDs are too long even with double koyan(8-3-4 still leaves you with 1 turn so you can only get S2/3 back on turn 3). Good jack of all trade NP support but too convoluted for late game players. Still miles beneath Super Arjuna at pretty much everything damage related and Koyan/Vort exists for buster supports. So if you want proto Merlin I’d cap yourself to a certain number of pulls to see if you get lucky and stop. She’s a trophy servant if anything and doesn’t really perform that well in most situations.
Arcueid is no where near the hype we all hope. She is strong, yes but miles away from being broken. I think she is like OG Artoria 2.0 before DW buffed her skill. Can do literally everything but never good at any of those.
No, she's really good even if you're missing the major meta supports. She's extremely versatile and can perform as a a stally DPS due to a superior Harp of Healing and can also charge her supports using her S3. She has an excellent deck and she can spam her NP quite often.
In farming, she can run double Koyan and Atlas to 6CE farm anything at NP3. That's plugless, so it makes her the best Buster farmer in the game. Damage isn't everything; there is a reason why AA isn't considered the best Farmer ever.
@@kun2588 We all agree that Arcueid is powerful. Just that she is not broken nor outstanding. 3 years have anniversary servants that completely change the meta. Skadi, Castoria and Koyanskaya of Light.
Arcueid is newbie friendly but older players would have better options when farming. Arcueid's damage is too low that even with Black Grail, Morgan will out damage her, let alone Arjuna Alter
@@kun2588 Lol why would you start your statement with “No” when you’re basically agreeing with most of what we’re saying. Saying she’s good when you don’t have meta supports is exactly what beginner friendly means and the flip side of that is she’s not that good even IF you have all those supports, trust me I tried every combination of buster comps before I decided there’s not enough copium in the world to make her top tier. We also covered that whole versatile angle by saying she’s a jack of all trades. Sure you can say she gets better NP return than AA she’s has a damn 100% charge but that’s the equivalent of saying because you have more NP generation you’d rather have Murasaki than space Ishtar. I bet you can farm torches and doors all day long with her at NP3 barely passing the dmg threshold but I can do that with any blue AOE DPS like Summer Musashi or Old man Shirou. Btw good luck doing 100 Hassans with a mooncancer that can barely top 300K AOE. I’ll take my AA 2 mill per NP 2 turn rotations and 300k buster Crits on turn 3 anyday thank you very much. No body said Arcrueid is bad, she is underwhelming, especially for an anniversary servant. If you think she can even come close to competing with other anniversary releases like Muramasa and Castoria you are on some high grade copium rofl.
This
Dumb question, ZTL. YES YES YES!!!
We got the Rainbow Meta. Mighty brave chain is nuts
I'm very impressed, she does 20k less damage than my Morgan, neither hitting their niche and Morgan at lvl 100 while Morgan Is super effective against everything and Archetype is doing neutral damage most of the time. (Both np 1 with a regular black grail and double kyonskaya)
Well Morgan damage sucks out of niche so this isn't exactly a good comparison
Can't wait to roll in 2 years... but damn she activates my neurons
Arcueid just blessed me with my fourth SSR double summon. She's absolutely worth it.
While she wasn't the easiest NP5 I've had, I still think she's worth it.
Also, my catalyst was the Tsukihime remake op1 on repeat. Literally got the double summon right at the start of the breakdown right before the chorus kicks in. Figured it was appropriate, and it was.
They had to bring her in because of the threat we’re about to face next lostbelt
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: FUCK YES
arcueid is quite possibly one of the best challenge quest servants in the game
as a np5 arcueid haver i love that
Can you give me some of your whale funds in paypal, I don't even have her maaan.
no way u have np5 already lmaoo
@@lukas1394 me and the gang funding the game 🚬
Really looking forward to getting this on NA in 2 years, Arcueid was my favorite character back in the day, even used that as my ID for a lot of stuff.
She's so busted that she hid behind a Archer Character that I tried to pull for 2 banners ago
Its arc, thats enough reason to summon
Welp, I'm definitely throwing away any roll plans I had for 2024. I'm likely going to save a year worth of Quartz, from Ani 6 to 7, if Proto Merlin and Arcueid are gonna be meta warping powerhouses. The only banner that surpasses Arcueid's so far is Morgan's Sea Monster Crisis banner, but even that might become a moot point if I manage to roll NP2 in her banner after Ani 6.
I made my jp account literally 2 days ago, I got Arcuied, got my free Kscope, free waver, and I’m gonna pull on one of the gssrs soon enough. I’m out here living
1 year later - how are you feeling now having wasted free ticket on Waver?
@@amai2307who would be better than waver
@@gokuisthe1 some aoe damage dealer or waifu. If you are starting now - you can try rerolling for Koyanskaya of the light - today her banner ends, so there is not much time, but she is better support than Waver.
And if you started some time ago and dont want to reroll soon enough(march-april) there will be Castoria banner and she is the best support in the game.
@@amai2307 thanks
On JP can't say I really need her that much when I already have the ever faithful Morgan at np5 with Vitch, Oberon and Castoria to take care of business. On NA summer Kiara is now np4 and a bunch of buster farmers are waiting for Koyan and Oberon to show up so it's kind of the same deal there. Just so many options already. She certainly looks like a solid unit to invest in for those who don't already have strong omni farmers or who just like her as a character. I can certainly see the appeal tho I really don't know much about her - yet! Her potential for CQs seems high too!
*EDIT: Figured I could spare a few rolls to celebrate her release, give her a chance to show up if she wanted to. Glad I did cause she came home within a mere 23 pulls along with Xu Fu 😄
hm, you guys think i can pair her with lady avalon instead of merlin? Does she still work?
if you're running her in a crit comp yeah. Merlin is better because she's predominantly buster but 100% crit is 100% crit
Amen brother, seriously happy about this.
I'll consider rolling for Arc if Muramasa & Morgan are amiable to me next year as I've still to recover from the emotional damage Summer BB brought me by ruining the 600sq X ticket np2 streak I often got when rolling for SSRs.
I got her in a single 11 roll.
I feel like my blood is in danger.
I can't wait to get her in 2 years plus the whole Saint quartz bonus for every final ascension servant is very generous so I'll be trying to upgrade some of my low star servants
With her second skill i dont think mana loading matters considering your using black grail instead of kaleidoscope
So if I got only 1 copy of her should I use it for the first append skill?
@@Itamar536. yeah i mean once her np is used she gets a 30% buff to all her cards except her extra
@@arks_knights so what append skill or activity with a servant coin should I do?
@@Itamar536. first append skill then second if you really want or just use the coins to go pass 100 i only have one copy of her
@@arks_knights first one seems best, but if I save her coins we can get to a solid 150 which is level 110
im lowkew fucking tilted i didnt get muramasa from garanteed gssr but insted got a 6th copy of a saber i already got but i cant really complain..i literly got arcueid NP 3 within 3 multi pulls and 6 ticked pulls...and every thing was pretty much sponsored by those ~200+ SQ you got when logging in aswell as from the aniversary green cube sales for tickes.... and i still got shit left for proto-merlin, even tho i don't really want her thb...
I'd bet arcueid will get the saber artoria treatment if she at some point becomes irrelevant.
The answer is YES
IT WAS ALWAYS YES
Tsukihime is one of the literal reason why older Type moon fans sticking with FGO despite the game's apparent flaw. Definitely will all in when she reach to Global server
Got her np2 in 30 tickets now can save 500 sq for lady Avalon
see you all in two years, I'm take a hibernation nap.
Neko-Arc as a servant is now only a matter of time. Yorokobe.
Ngl it feels like her skills are trying to make up for her class just way too much it doesn’t really stick. I’m more disappointed that her HP isn’t any higher when she on paper has similar amount of attack as Jinako and Kiara. She’s good but her classing makes her a hella of a lot more annoying to use, doesn’t mean I don’t like her tho.
Her class doesn’t matter she’s Good Af stop complaining
@@altzerz Her class does matter, since thats gonna affect very heavily the gameplay.
I never said she wasn’t good, I was trying to point out that her stats are really lackluster without her skills, which also have very long cooldowns. Now sure you could justify this by using her with koyanskaya, but she simply doesn’t do enough multiplicative damage when it comes down to it (without Black Grail). Again her classing sucks, without including her skills and passives that’s my main point.
@@MageOfLuck I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t make sense “without her skills” you act like people are going to be playing her without using her skills so that isn’t even a option to consider you expect her to be a really good character without skills? and she just came out bro stop acting like you know the character ins and outs
Similar attack as Jinako? What are you smoking? Jinako has only like 9K ATK lmao. Arc's stats are just fine. In fact, she has the highest attack among the Moon Cancers, which is good, because she’s most of all a farmer Servant. But even then, her passive makes her really good for difficult content, too.
Also, she's the only Buster farmer that can use BG besides Melusine and Caster Cu, I think. And being Moon Cancer makes her a better universal farmer. She's hella good.
I can't wait for her to arrive in 2 years
Yeah 100% + BG with double Koyan is nice, but even with all of that her dmg sucks, like u arent going to farm 90+ nodes with her unless NP3+ grailed
you can oberon with her
@@agearmaster1 Problem is that the second wave also tends to have 6 digit HP enemies.
ye people act like this game content is only 3t farming qp. lol
@agearmaster1 no you can't she needs to use atlas mystic code cus her battery has 7 turn cooldown
"Koyanskaya isn't a good person"
I choked on my drink when u said this LMAO
Welp, guess I'm doing a summon stream today after all
I can't believe they added a Neco arc face into FGO
6:50 what a funny team.
Just casually bringing 2 gods to fight some mobs, nothing to see here
No joke 1 ticket
I guess she likes me🤗
Enjoy your arc
Her attack and np animations are clean and beautiful.
1K SQ also with pity system available, impossible to not pull her
The best part about her, she's the 2nd Buster Farmers that can abuse Black Grail with no need to switch out for a 3rd charger. Do that with Vortigern and i can see her outdamaging even someone like Melusine
Nah... do that with someone who give heavier buff like Nightingale... your don't have to NP chage Arc because she can charge herself on the third turn so you can bring someone really hammy.
@@SlothofBangkok technically Vortigern still provides heavier Buffs at the exchange of only for that Turn. Florence gives 50% Buste, Vortigern gives that along with doubling any NP Damage buff Arcueid already has
Not 2nd. 4th. CasCu and Oberon can also use BG. And Arc's W1 and W2 damage is waaay superior to Meluko, it's w3 where she loses out due to Meluko having access to Oberon. But imo, Arc is the better farmer because she can farm plugless.
Also, she can run triple 6CE triple DPS setup with two other ML unlocked 50% chargers so there's that too.
@@kun2588 better farmer but in exchange for usability due to dmg tho
@@Gspoink Yeah, to make full use of her you need NP levels. Kinda smart of Lasengle this time. To make use of Koyan, Skadi and Castoria, you only need one copy but Arc, who is absolutely broken from a farming utility perspective needs multiple copies to truly shine. At sufficient investment, she can clear almost anything.
Slap 'Before Awakening" CE MLB to Her, and she would have 30% Buster, Arts and Quick at the same time with 2k add on attack
If she would’ve been in the berserker class she would’ve been the best Buster farmer in the game. She is a really good designed servant but she is not a must pull (if you are no Arcueid / saber face simp as I am xD)
Arcueid was the og face
@@amari7782 Yea, all these casuals out here calling her Jannu and Saberface are pissing me off lmao.
I know that, thats why i mentioned her name seperate from the term "saberface" ^^ but its unfortinately fact that most of the fate community see her as a one because of the remake art design and because takeuchi faces look all almost the same. Saber was just much more present in the last 20ish years
@@amari7782 looks at Hisui having the more accurate Saberface minus the blonde hair*
Failed to get her. Hopefully I get her in the new years or a rerun banner.
The game gave 1k quartz how
@@Chillgamesh rng says nope...
@@player2pushstart not even with pity?
Failed to get her too after 300sq, will be saving the rest for proto merlin
@@Chillgamesh only if you have every servant that’s every been released max ascension so no most people will not get 1ksq
FGO is basically the hall of justice for Type Moon characters
Created a jp account just to get proto merlin and decided to try and get arcueid and got her with a ticket, so here I am
Also good luck to all those who want her!
All the people saying arcuied is not a must summon character are just salty meltyblood/tsukihime fans that are upset that arcuied is in fgo
Sure it's not FGO fans being salty at a Tsuki/MB character in their game? I'll tell you what some MB fans are malding at in various amounts: Mash and Neco-Arc in all her gag glory
She can Tripple Black Grail 3 turn Farm with 2xMorgans. Nuff said. New Meta is here. Proto Merlin better break the game.
Not really a meta because the dmg isn’t all that good even with double KOL and Oberon. If your fighting really weak monsters than sure that team works wonders.
@@Kami_Ugghhh she is a boss killer after firing np though
The thing that make skill one good is it Magnitude that 30% atk boost on top of 20% down... that is a Mana bust (on top of the Millenium castle)... then the MLB K scope on the skill with 20 NP buff make her ridiculous--She hit all the all three buff type on just her passive, S1 and S2, then the S3 also charge everyone on top of an invul...
She broke everyone Spine. Compatible with the best of the best like Castoria (42% passive art buff is cancerous) and Merlin... then there is waver and Rein. Just her S2 is busted enough on that NP, but 1 and 3 just put the cream on top. And the best of all... can 3 turn farms with 2 Morgan.
I love your enthusiasm but damn, she really isnt as good as you make her sound. she`s good but her damage isnt enough to hype her up this much
True
Yea, I think our man ZTL's a tad bit over-enthusiastic here like I can see her doing great with grails, gold fous, np2/np3+, black grail and top supports but out of the box np1 looks rough
@@Fluffy-cx3cr yeah i have her at np1 with not mlb bg and i can say her dmg to be lacking a bit (don't have oberon btw only double vitch)
She's short of only AA in terms of buster damage, what do you mean "not enough"?
@@kun2588 Are you nuts ? Do you even have her ? My NP3 Arc did potato damage with double Vitch and BG, and she can't even use Oberon without dropping the BG, a lot of buster servant did more damage than her, not even worth to be compared to AA, if you use her you will know immediately.
@ZTL keep up the great work! Really enjoying the daily videos and the fact you keep trying to improve them. Only wanted to point out that I feel like I (and other viewers) like watching these informative videos to get some first impressions and weigh whether we want to summon - given that, I don’t feel like you really answer if she is a “must” summon. Sure she seems nuts but, for example, what type of player/box is she good for? Is she only worth with “x” support? Is she a unit every player ought to pull for? Not a big deal for players who can make these decisions themselves but I think would just add another reason for us to watch these already great videos :)
so two years out for NA huh?
Imma pull her.. after two years
I've never click on a video so fast
Same
She is pretty strong, probably a Morgan level servant and definitely worth drawing, but please also remember that the proto merlin(Pretender class?) is coming in mid Aug.
Nope, shes below morgan, even gilgamesh imo
@@erjohn5404 Nah that's cap. In terms of damage, she's above Gil and roughly equal to Morgan (assuming that they aren't hitting niche). Both Gil and Morgan needs a plug to farm, so Arc is the superior farmer and Arc can do it with 6CEs. She needs NP levels, but to be fair, so does everyone else. She also has better party utility, can perform as a stally DPS and has party charge. Her only weakness is her class (bad offensive modifier and low attack stat and rarely hitting class advantage). How's either Gil or Morgan better than her?
@@erjohn5404 Also, she can change the battlefield(3T) and gave the whole team buff removal resistance(1T) which make her able to fight some of the High Difficulty quest.
@@erjohn5404 shes hitting 100K ish per enemy at Np 1 with vitch buffs and has better skills for the party so thats false, shes straight up better than Morgan in dmg and supportability
note that this dmg is with black grail which mskes her do way more dmg its the same reason why melusine is the hardest hitting buster farmer if u have black grail, and everyone can get a free black grail tomorrow
In 180 sq I got her at np3 and a copy of Waver. The best luck in FGO I've ever had.
I think I'm the only person in the world that's not hyped in the least for her and won't go out of his way to summon for her, maybe just 10 tickets.
I play on NA so still got 2 years to change my mind... but seems unlikely.
Talk about counting chickens, lmao.
Me to
Agreed, I’d only summon neco arc
Doesn't feel like an Arc to me. I'm on the same boat
@@shadowsfrost1 Her second ascension is literally "our" Arcueid. And I mean, literally. Technically the first ascension is too, but you know what I mean.
Got spoked by arjuna and galatea .. failed to get her. My jp got easly spoked by ssr recently, got nemo on archuria summer and karna on maid alter. Save the remaining sq for proto merlin, hope to get her .
my np6 arc is looking very fresh rn
NP6 day one is craaazy. Thank you for funding the game for f2p players
Np6? Why
@@bluemoon9683 prolly for 120 or max appends I don’t see any other reason.
@@cashbag They gave us so many SQ that it's not unfeasible to reach that NP without spending. Got her to NP5 myself with an extra copy of Saber Artoria within ~350 SQ or so. It's doable but it does take a bit of luck.
Got her NP3 with the SQ from the anniversary, also grabbed my last copy of Black Grail for free.
I got her on my job account 3 times. I've never really taken that account seriously, but I have all the top supporters on it. About time I really pushed to see how far I can get in it!
I just watched this because I got her by chance in one multi
Ishtar is a living human. She is a 50% Ishtar charger. A2 Ishtar 70% + Oberon 70% + Arc 50% + MC 10% = 200%
thanks man. I used this video as a catalyst and it worked! she came home!
Don't forget they gave rainbow chains and rainbow brave chains, she running solo is gonna be a fucking beast of it's own
I....think so? She's no Melusine or Cu Caster, and her NP's and S3's charge restrictions are annoying, but at the end of the day she's a AoE Buster Servant that's fully compatible and benefits with Double Koyan System with Black Grail, and the *only* concession you have to make is running Atlas in such set-ups. That, or virtually _any_ Charge CE with plugsuit and a Welfare Waver or better if you can't pull off the most optimal comp for one reason or another. Heck, Superscope w/ 2 50% Chargers is about as braindead of a comp as you can get if you're just farming low-level stuff, and in the case of Waver or Reines her NP's OC effect actually is worth a damn. Sure, you have to pull like NP2 or 3 to reliably be able to omni-farm, but that's the same for about any Servant now-in-days that way to do nodes outside their favored match-ups.
The only reasons to NOT get her is if you've already got the Melusine dream team rolling or a Compete Chad CuCaster, have someone like Morgan and don't feel like getting another flavor of omni-attacker, or you're waiting for Proto Merlin's banner and can't afford to roll for her and Arc. If you got the SQ and desire for a Tsukihime Servant and none of those issues matter, this Servant is literally a dream come true for you mates!
She's better than Meluko and CuCaster, imo. She can 6CE plugless, which Meluko and CasCu can't. In the case of the latter, it's due to lacklustre damage without BG.
She can't use the s3 charge on herself anyway.
Her dmg still lacks like cascu with bg lol, she can only farm 100k hp nodes at best even with bg, and that's pretty decent at best.
@@Gspoink Bruh, are you using her at NP1? You can't make the max of her at NP1, you need at least NP3, and other investment.
@@kun2588 and still equally or at most slightly better than a 3 star with guaranteed np1, her accessibility is not worth it if you ca get 5 copy of cu pretty much free. And this is why I still prefer castoria more than koyanskaya too cuz art servants can farm with much easier and cheaper tools.
@@Gspoink Wow, the Arc hate is real, huh?
Cu @ lv.90 NP5 is still 30~40k short of a lv.90 NP1 Arc according to the NP damage calculator.
I like the fact that she's not the farmer focus type and is stronger in CQ with the battlefield..... regardless I'm happy i have her np2 time to overwork my new numba 1 Bae (sorry Morgan) and will br my first level 120 servant
I feel like Summer 7 and Earth are going to literally ruin people's credit
K.
I know who I'm saving for now.
Now we wait 2 years...... pain
just because she’s arcueid it’s yes. there’s no other reason.
She recognizes the Artorian supremacy, so I guess she deserves some quartz
From what I can tell, Arcueid is the new flagship buster farmer. That 100% battery allows for the use of any CE with double Koyanskaya and Atlas mystic code. She has a 20% np dmg, 30% attack, and 30% buster steroid for 3 turns. This girl is nuts!
You're wrong. She has bad dmg on NP and can't normal farm 90+ quests. She need NP 2-3 and higher + lvl 100 or above + 2k focuns will be good for farm. Without NP2+, she will be even worse than Morgan with her 100k max dmg without Oberon
@@noia3938 people think she good but she not summer bb and summer sessoin way better if she had single target np then she mad good but nope also anti chaos useless
@@ericx6969 anyway, all ppl was waiting Arcueid. She is ultimative servant, but her dmg potential need at least 2 copies and max dmg boost from lvl, CE and focuns
Except that she's NOT. I have her at NP3 myself, and holy god her damage sucks. With double Vitch and BG, she barely able to kill the last wave in extreme ember, and she can't use Oberon while having BG due to the 7 turns 2nd skill, so with Oberon the damage kinda similar since you will have to use another CE, but the 1st and 2nd wave would be worse. I have to pair her with another farmer like Morgan to clear a wave so that i can use both Oberon and BG, and even then her damage is still not impressive by anymean, NP1 would be much worse, she's did even less damage than a Kscope Dante
@@lhv2k NP3 and 90 lvl? Would 2k Focuns and at least 110 lvl change situation?
Unless you are planning to at least np3 her, then its not worth it. her NP hit like wet noodles and her kit is ok. Even with double koyanskya you wont be hitting more than 150k at maxed skill
is she really that bad on np1? cause i got her but didnt spent a lot
@@wha2081 from my experience, np 2 is enough to clear QP note using double koyanskaya. That is assuming you have a black grail, with or without limit breaking
@@nottheactualjeff3809 alright idk what black grail is but i guess she is a nice servant to have
@@wha2081 5* CE that gives NP damage +60%, I believe.
@@SeanTheShinigami ah... Ye i dont have that lol
I got Koyanskaya in GSSR but I don't really have any compatible servants without Oberon. (Only one that qualifies in Ivan the Terrible but he needs Oberon)
I have a *MIGHTY NEED* for moon saber.
So the question is: when are we getting a tsukehime anime because it’s gonna happen at some point
2026 maybe after the farside releases
Hopefully never, the fanbase is terrible. They don't deserve shit
for me its one thing, DOMAIN EXPANSION: GIVE ME YOUR SQ BOY!
I love that everyone still makes domain expansion references despite reality marbles and marble phantasms existing prior but it's fun
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem yeah have you seen a lot of memes around that concept? Creativity is what makes it unique by adding the already existing concept with your own twist lol
@@fqck1999 yeah. I won't lie gege really flipped the switch on modern shounen. JJK manga is insane rn
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem yeah the series that doesnt have "oh i have a devil inside of me, im gonna befriend it" type of crap. And injuries oh yeah the scars are chef kiss/plotarmor dont work on the peak fiction. Specially the culling games, although its clear that after culling game its gonna be the final saga as there nothing else to do other than finish the job while killing some characters
I have now new goal on my life after i got jalter
ARCUIED YOURE NEXT
Do you guys think np2 is necessary for her?
might not even be enough. she has the easiest looping requirement in the game double koyan and atlas. no ce needed. her biggest flaw is her potato np. at np 2 with no ce mine hits around 75k per enemy on turn 3, 110k with black grail.
@@koyoyoyo1170 yikes. Time to get rolling then. Already have her np1, but willing to try for higher since she is so versatile
@@koyoyoyo1170 just got her np3. Grailed to 100, lvl 40 black grail. 175-180k in third wave
@@brucewayne3892 if you have mana loading unlocked you can also use double oberon koyan(any 50% charger) Arc but the comp requires plugsuit to 6ce.
Yoi can also forget koyan and run a 50% ce+mana loading or imaginary element for 5ce but turn 1 and 2 dmg still isnt to the level of spishtar, kama, morgan.
@@koyoyoyo1170 cool. Gonna have to experiment and see what works for me. Just hope I can get 2 more copies of black grail at some point