I've always thought that Toby is the WW's conscience. He's about substance and not style. While Toby is my favorite character, Leo is literally the glue that holds everyone together and Spencer played him well. I've yet to see an ensemble of actors better than them in any series, past or present. Of course, the writing is responsible for this and we have to thank Shorkin.
@@H1delta If you want well written & still stands the test of time I would encourage you to go watch Babylon 5 at least 3 times for all 5 seasons. 1. Just to watch it 2. To see how it all intertwined 3. To suddenly see all the bits you missed on the 1st 2 watch throughs. Bare in mind that season 5 is an outlander n they tried to tie up lots towards end of season 4 due to them being told they were not getting season 5 but I would say it still has its own charm & still stands the test of time
When Leo says he would have liked to have seen more of the seats filled, and when Toby says earlier in the episode that they've done a pretty good job of keeping Bartlet's campaign "a secret", I think they're making a subtle point that some of these "worthless guys" he just fired are part of the communications team, and that they're fired because they've done a lousy job of getting the word out that he's even running and where and when people can come to see him. That's why one of Toby's first jobs after this was to hire C.J. to be press secretary, 'cause she's great at it.
I think you miss the point that Bartlett the candidate refuses to play the 'dance around issues' game if his answer doesn't play well with the audience he is in front of. A dairy producer had asked him why he supported a bill that kept the farm price of milk low, Bartlett told him, honestly, that in weighing if a child's family could afford milk, or the farmer would get an incremental price increase, Bartlett chose the child. Honest, but not what the farmer wanted to hear. Bartlett's advisors wanted him to stop making those kinds of statements, ignoring the fact that Bartlett was a great candidate because he made those weighted, informed decisions before acting.
I couldn't agree more. Absolutely brilliant. The West Wing doesn't work at all without him. He was the embodiment of the heart and compassion of the show. He was the center that brought everyone else into the story.
@@McRocketabsolutely gross misunderstanding of the tlevisual medium. Words on paper/text are just that....text. great actors make them more than just that.....they shape them and form them into something more than just words. It's a symbiotic relationship, great writers need great actors and vice versa
Yep. Bartlett had moved on and these guys kept wanting to work the same points. Even if they were good at their jobs, they were the wrong fit for this team. Leo didn't dress them down or waste time trying to get them to see the light. And Toby understood the entire situation even though he was slightly out of it. He knew how to read the room.
In a previous scene, Toby got wasted and told the woman next to him at the bar he was about to get fired. Imagine this shock of being the ONLY guy not getting fired.
The most socially awkward guy in the show/room was drunk and could read the room and understand the man he was helping become president. Smarter and better than the other professional “political advisers” on the team. That tells you everything wrong about politics, doesn’t it.
Isn't the guy who asked for Toby to be Fired the same one who's on hoynes staff in episode 3 or 4 from Season 1? The one C.J. talks before talking to Hoynes?
yet he repeatedly screws up, as does everyone in the show at one point or another... until say 'the military shuttle'... ... or with the tall lady who falls into pools, or with Murder Incorporated or with the twins...
One of the most well written tv shows ever! Every actor became their character and the chemistry was incredible, cricket bats and tiny little umbrellas included!
Guess who I just thought at seeing this scene ? Spencer Tracy. For me that's the highest of compliments. No over acting, just a great delivery of the lines. And John makes you believe the whole scene. And what John says goes.
If I recall correctly they were originally slated to lose the election. After Spencer’s death however they did want to end the show on that sour of a note. Sorry if the wording comes off as insensitive, just wasn’t sure how else to put it.
Little Fact: The original intention was to have Arnold Vinick (Alan Alda) win the election. The producers changed the outcome as a tribute to Leo, who was Santos' VP pick. The feeling was that Santos' loss would be doubly hard for viewers after Leo's death.
Loved these flashback scenes during this episode when Josh was shot. And the scene in the campaign office where Josh meets Donna for the first time had me rolling 😂
I love when Leo's corporate background comes out, no emotion, no pussy footing. He walks in a meeting in another episode and opens with something like "I have fired more people than this before breakfast", harsh, but efficient.
I wouldn't call it his corporate backround. It's just who he is. Son of a tragic alcoholic, military pilot, went on to be successful in politics and business. Has more money than everyone in that meeting (including Bartlett). He's had to overcome a lot to achieve a lot and he doesn't have the patience to deal with fools.
I loved the West Wing. brilliant acting, outstanding writing and as entertaining as hell. I have the box set and every so often drag it out over a couple of weeks and binge watch the entire series.
@@Dathansmith91 Most conservatives don't applaud Hollyweird's rewriting of history and social engineering, not to mention their desperate hatred of the Christians, capitalism and the United States.
@HC-cb4yp Even though I agree with your statement, I am still willing to set that aside because I enjoy the shows writing, dynamics between characters, and overall nostalgia of when the show aired. If it were made today, though, I can guarantee I probably wouldn't be watching it because it would probably push modern-day leftist ideology.
Any manager who fires people like this needs to be fired. The manager needs to communicate to his subordinates what they are doing wrong LONG BEFORE it gets to this or he should not be a manager. Leo is a despicable person. Only one time did a boss ever brag to me (in a meeting with my co-workers) that he fired a whole bunch of people, all at once, for something or other. When he did that, I immediately started looking for another job. I found another job 3 hours later, walked right into my boss's office, placed my name tag on his desk, and told him "I quit." He just looked right up at me in total astonishment. I said "don't ever brag about firing a bunch of people as if it is some kind of achievement that gives you a sense of accomplishment" and to redeem his wounded pride, he tossed my name tag into the trash. He never said a word to me, never said that was wrong of him, just threw my nametag in the trash. I told him to go F-himself, turned around, walked right out of his office. Felt pretty good actually. Would have felt better if there was someone else to see it.
@@paulcolburn3855, but it is clear - "we can talk about this with you in the room" shows the conversation of what the 'pros' are doing vs what Toby has done has been walked through and around a good couple of times. And it isn't 'normal' employment, it is consultancy... services no longer required. Welcome to the world of freelance.
Personal preference. I never liked the character of Toby. I came to love HM Murdock, because at third glance he stood out as best actor of the 4. Also the most versatile actor who showed numerous sides of one personality. Don't know the other guy.
I saw it in first run, (possibly joined a few episodes late..) and never liked to see much of anything on TV twice, perhaps a classic movie, but heck, what a great show this was.
I actually didn't start watching when it first ran (I worked on Wed. nights) but when Bravo started showing it I caught it and was hooked from the first episode (one of the greatest debuts of any series).
The entire series is available as a torrent. It's even old enough that I doubt there's anyone tracking any of it, so bothering with a VPN is probably just overkill.
when people write on the West Wing, people sometimes forget who speaks the line, Yes, so many people excel as their characters but for a moment could you see someone other the Leo(John) answered Jeb (Martin) so fully as sharing long ago memories, as Let Bartlett be Bartlett and more is the riches Aaron wrote supplied many episodes so true to our lives, sometimes in this week or soon as the wealth of other scenes once again reminds us of ours.
Literacy doesn't guarantee competence, but competence (in politics) is impossible without it. Having seen the results of an illiterate administration (you know, the guy with the Sharpie?), I'll take what we've got now, thank you.
"You want me to refer to Senator John Hoynes of Texas, who at the moment has a 48-point lead for the Democratic nomination, as "the other guy"? You're not afraid it's going to make me look like I can't remember his name? I am. I think it's going to make me look like I can't remember his name. I think it's going to make me look addled, I think it's going to make me look dotty. And even if it didn't make me look like those things, it would remain a stupid idea. What's next? Nothing? Excellent."
I don't know enough about the show, but I think what Leo saw in Toby that he didn't see in the others is that Toby cared enough about what happens to take to heart what happened. Hence why Toby felt the need to drown his sorrows. The other guys were unruffled and stoic, as if they couldn't care less about what happened. Leo saw that, and they left with boot marks planted squarely in their asses.
@@RussellSmith91 Also, Toby was a tremendously talented speech writer. A lot of characters comment about it. I think that was a big reason Leo kept him around (also, agreeing with Leo's instincts helped, especially since those instincts proved to be 100% correct later on).
A shame the next scene isn't included where Bartlett has a melt down because Leo fired everyone Bartlett knew on the campaign staff, even though they weren't getting the job done for him.
THIS is how you fire people. You don't savor it, you don't make a big thing out of it, and you definitely don't fashion a whole public image of yourself based on the power that comes through firing people. You assert professionalism and the job. If a person isn't up to the job, then you do what's necessary, but, in Leo's immortal words, "We don't strut."
These guys will argue with Bartlet about whether he should say Hoynes' name on the stump, but they won't argue with Leo about whether they're fired? Something tells me they didn't even *want* to be on the campaign.
When you are that far behind, it is hard to want to be there. Bartlett only started out the campaign to get on the news, then his Democratic opponents fell over themselves screwing up, and Bartlett is the front runner, and Hoynes is barely big enough to be selected as VP.
"Don't screw up." "Why not, you just did" (That's just being snarky, haven't seen the episode so don't know all of the issues. It's just that firing your team in the middle of a campaign can be bad)
Here is the context; It was early early into the campaign and the only two who played in the big league in that room were Toby and Leo. they kept fretting the small stuff and oblivious to the bigger picture. Toby kept trying to nudge them in the right direction but they wanted none of it and none of Toby -- that was why he was drunk and that is why Leo fired them.
Local dairy owners were mad about his pricing policies, and he said he didn't want to make milk more expensive for the consumer, and if they didn't like that, they could vote for someone else.
@@MrGigaHurtz He wasn't going to be fired for that answer. He suspected he was going to get fired because he knew he had one opinion and the other four had another. That's why he was surprised when Leo fired the other four and kept him. He thought he was the outlier, not realizing that Leo saw something else in him.
That's because the other guy is not ahead by 48 points and Biden is speaking from a position of power. For him, it's a dismissive. He could say "that Orange fucker," but it would be disrespectful. "The other guy" is a jab without stooping to a lower level.
They went a bit too far with making Bartlet an a-hole while he was running for president. Honestly, why would all the people who became his inner circle have fought to hard for such a jerk.
@@situated4 anyone who has paid any attention to Joe Biden in the last 40 years knows what he is. The guy has long been a corrupt, arrogant, psychpathic liar and a fool. He has been known for decades even by his fellow Democrats as the gaffematic, because of his tendancy to say stupid things. Barack Obama is reported to have said, “Never underestimate Joe’s ability to f… things up”. Obama’s Defense Secretary wrote, “I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” As a fictious President Jed Bartlett was a grand master politician. Real President Joe Biden is a senile puppet who can’t even walk across a stage without guidance.
@@gwpeoples You are going with whatabout Bush? You really think you are being clever? Nope, you’re not. I bet you’re a Biden voter. Well if you are, you own the train wreck that we have in the White House now, and you have no place to say, “whatabout Bush?” or “whatabout Trump?”.
You know, Biden, that president that is renowned for continually firing people, sometimes before they have even officially started. Wait... no that was the guy before Biden.
Leo understands potential.
Even at their best these 5 guys couldn't deliver, or even understand, what Toby could, drunk and asleep.
I've always thought that Toby is the WW's conscience. He's about substance and not style. While Toby is my favorite character, Leo is literally the glue that holds everyone together and Spencer played him well. I've yet to see an ensemble of actors better than them in any series, past or present. Of course, the writing is responsible for this and we have to thank Shorkin.
@@H1delta If you want well written & still stands the test of time I would encourage you to go watch Babylon 5 at least 3 times for all 5 seasons.
1. Just to watch it
2. To see how it all intertwined
3. To suddenly see all the bits you missed on the 1st 2 watch throughs.
Bare in mind that season 5 is an outlander n they tried to tie up lots towards end of season 4 due to them being told they were not getting season 5 but I would say it still has its own charm & still stands the test of time
The senior guy later showed up working for Hoynes.
@@H1delta One that was close was The Newsroom Sorkin knows how to deliver character driven dramas that's for sure.
When Leo says he would have liked to have seen more of the seats filled, and when Toby says earlier in the episode that they've done a pretty good job of keeping Bartlet's campaign "a secret", I think they're making a subtle point that some of these "worthless guys" he just fired are part of the communications team, and that they're fired because they've done a lousy job of getting the word out that he's even running and where and when people can come to see him. That's why one of Toby's first jobs after this was to hire C.J. to be press secretary, 'cause she's great at it.
I think you miss the point that Bartlett the candidate refuses to play the 'dance around issues' game if his answer doesn't play well with the audience he is in front of. A dairy producer had asked him why he supported a bill that kept the farm price of milk low, Bartlett told him, honestly, that in weighing if a child's family could afford milk, or the farmer would get an incremental price increase, Bartlett chose the child. Honest, but not what the farmer wanted to hear. Bartlett's advisors wanted him to stop making those kinds of statements, ignoring the fact that Bartlett was a great candidate because he made those weighted, informed decisions before acting.
Real godfather lighting and vibe when Leo gives them the axe.
God bless John Spencer. He was perfection incarnate as Leo. 🌹
Wasn’t he just….
True.
But never forget...he was written that way.
Writers make great scenes.
Actors simply say what they are told to say.
☮
I couldn't agree more. Absolutely brilliant. The West Wing doesn't work at all without him. He was the embodiment of the heart and compassion of the show. He was the center that brought everyone else into the story.
Doesn't need a god bless, he was a great actor.
@@McRocketabsolutely gross misunderstanding of the tlevisual medium. Words on paper/text are just that....text. great actors make them more than just that.....they shape them and form them into something more than just words. It's a symbiotic relationship, great writers need great actors and vice versa
Perfect Leo moment… he knew what he wanted and trusted a drunk toby over the other sober guys so went all in, ditching anyone who wasn’t on-side.
Yep. Bartlett had moved on and these guys kept wanting to work the same points. Even if they were good at their jobs, they were the wrong fit for this team. Leo didn't dress them down or waste time trying to get them to see the light. And Toby understood the entire situation even though he was slightly out of it. He knew how to read the room.
In a previous scene, Toby got wasted and told the woman next to him at the bar he was about to get fired.
Imagine this shock of being the ONLY guy not getting fired.
The most socially awkward guy in the show/room was drunk and could read the room and understand the man he was helping become president. Smarter and better than the other professional “political advisers” on the team. That tells you everything wrong about politics, doesn’t it.
Toby was right. He thought he was going to get fired.
Isn't the guy who asked for Toby to be Fired the same one who's on hoynes staff in episode 3 or 4 from Season 1? The one C.J. talks before talking to Hoynes?
That’s giving Toby an uplifting pep talk. Who could fail to get motivated with words like that?
yet he repeatedly screws up, as does everyone in the show at one point or another... until say 'the military shuttle'...
... or with the tall lady who falls into pools, or with Murder Incorporated or with the twins...
@@timbushell8640 Screwing up is human - it's how you screw up that matters.
Jerry (surprised): What?
Toby (even more surprised): What?
“Don’t screw up.”😂
I love Sheen's choice here to accent the A in "can't" - like when Bartlett is really upset he forgets to hide his accent
I watched this clip 5 times and still can't find when Sheen says the word "can't."
@@Neoquaker1 ... not afraid he's going to make me look like i can't remember his name no i am i think it's going to make me look like...
@@timbushell8640 Got it thanks. It's pronounced so weird, that's why I missed it.
And when he says 'excellent...'
hehe it's so cute when you American Continent people think that counts as an accent 🤪
One of the most well written tv shows ever! Every actor became their character and the chemistry was incredible, cricket bats and tiny little umbrellas included!
It's moving day. Brutal.
Guess who I just thought at seeing this scene ? Spencer Tracy. For me that's the highest of compliments. No over acting, just a great delivery of the lines. And John makes you believe the whole scene. And what John says goes.
“Fellas… look at my face, you’re done.” Damn… frackin great moment lol
Sweet !!
So say we all!
"Fellas? Look at my face. Yer done." Mic drop.
I always loved John Spencer in this role and would have loved to see him finish the series as VP. I also think they handled his passing brilliantly
If I recall correctly they were originally slated to lose the election. After Spencer’s death however they did want to end the show on that sour of a note.
Sorry if the wording comes off as insensitive, just wasn’t sure how else to put it.
Little Fact: The original intention was to have Arnold Vinick (Alan Alda) win the election. The producers changed the outcome as a tribute to Leo, who was Santos' VP pick. The feeling was that Santos' loss would be doubly hard for viewers after Leo's death.
What MAKES this scene.....is the hesitation....then Toby's "what?".
Loved these flashback scenes during this episode when Josh was shot. And the scene in the campaign office where Josh meets Donna for the first time had me rolling 😂
How I miss this show and what it stood for.
Do you mean, quality writing, great acting, gripping storylines with a degree of a moral message? Yes, I miss it as well!!
Greatest show on network television.
It stood for something worth believing in.
@@525Mat_ Exactly
@@theolamp5312 Yes, that more than anything else.
"Don't mess up."
Leo, what a pep talk to Toby after firing several people in front of him.
My mistake. "Don't screw up."
I love when Leo's corporate background comes out, no emotion, no pussy footing. He walks in a meeting in another episode and opens with something like "I have fired more people than this before breakfast", harsh, but efficient.
That line is made much funnier by the preceding line: "Little thing called team morale, Josh. You've gotta make people feel good about themselves."
@@SpydeyDan yer, but that was on a very cheesy day, where Margret had done the homework...
@@timbushell8640 of course she had (not at all).
I wouldn't call it his corporate backround. It's just who he is. Son of a tragic alcoholic, military pilot, went on to be successful in politics and business. Has more money than everyone in that meeting (including Bartlett). He's had to overcome a lot to achieve a lot and he doesn't have the patience to deal with fools.
@@SpydeyDan Loved her little head shake then nod when leo looks
Sorkin has a way of getting to the point. And John Spencer does it perfectly.
I hope one day to be in a position to say, "Fellas, look at my face, you're done." So good.
Things said in a porno
Love this scene (along with about 100 others.) That whole episode was in my top 5.
Keeping Toby = Best Leo decision ever
and probably the worst thing to happen to the show after Sorkin leaving was sidelining Toby.
"It's moving day." Absolutely beautiful.
God damn that man was/is a good actor. He is missed.
Toby just received the best pep-talk in history!
I loved the West Wing. brilliant acting, outstanding writing and as entertaining as hell. I have the box set and every so often drag it out over a couple of weeks and binge watch the entire series.
: Legendary Leo
Even though I'm a conservative I still love this show. But that shouldn't matter.
Sure you are.
@@HC-cb4yp ? Are you implying you can't be a conservative and like The West Wing?
@@Dathansmith91 Most conservatives don't applaud Hollyweird's rewriting of history and social engineering, not to mention their desperate hatred of the Christians, capitalism and the United States.
@HC-cb4yp Even though I agree with your statement, I am still willing to set that aside because I enjoy the shows writing, dynamics between characters, and overall nostalgia of when the show aired. If it were made today, though, I can guarantee I probably wouldn't be watching it because it would probably push modern-day leftist ideology.
The guy in the grey suit (Steve?) wound up as an aide to Hoynes.
love this show...
RIP to Jerry, Cal, Max, and Steve.
Don't forget the "other guy" mentioned by Leo during his meeting with Bartlet outside in the cold.
We hardly knew ye.
I miss this show.
Excellent.
I’m management and I really wish I could do something like this. 😂
If you can't, you're not management, you're an administrator suffering from title inflation.
I’m sure there’s another side to your sentiment. Equally vehement.
Any manager who fires people like this needs to be fired. The manager needs to communicate to his subordinates what they are doing wrong LONG BEFORE it gets to this or he should not be a manager. Leo is a despicable person.
Only one time did a boss ever brag to me (in a meeting with my co-workers) that he fired a whole bunch of people, all at once, for something or other. When he did that, I immediately started looking for another job. I found another job 3 hours later, walked right into my boss's office, placed my name tag on his desk, and told him "I quit." He just looked right up at me in total astonishment. I said "don't ever brag about firing a bunch of people as if it is some kind of achievement that gives you a sense of accomplishment" and to redeem his wounded pride, he tossed my name tag into the trash. He never said a word to me, never said that was wrong of him, just threw my nametag in the trash. I told him to go F-himself, turned around, walked right out of his office. Felt pretty good actually. Would have felt better if there was someone else to see it.
@@paulcolburn3855, but it is clear - "we can talk about this with you in the room" shows the conversation of what the 'pros' are doing vs what Toby has done has been walked through and around a good couple of times. And it isn't 'normal' employment, it is consultancy... services no longer required. Welcome to the world of freelance.
@@paulcolburn3855
LOL
Of all the things that never happened, that didn't happen the most!
Toby Ziegler, Howling Mad Murdock, Rip Wheeler three of the best TV characters of all time.
Personal preference. I never liked the character of Toby. I came to love HM Murdock, because at third glance he stood out as best actor of the 4. Also the most versatile actor who showed numerous sides of one personality.
Don't know the other guy.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Rip is from Yellowstone.
Which Howling Mad Murdock? They made a movie of the series, with a different cast, you might know?
@@Egilhelmson The original, played by Dwight Schultz.
I saw it in first run, (possibly joined a few episodes late..) and never liked to see much of anything on TV twice, perhaps a classic movie, but heck, what a great show this was.
I actually didn't start watching when it first ran (I worked on Wed. nights) but when Bravo started showing it I caught it and was hooked from the first episode (one of the greatest debuts of any series).
This gorgeous man..
love actor who plays Leo.
John Spencer. RIP to a legend\
"He died, Josh..."
@@timbushell8640 I know, sad loss.
I really want to watch this show again, it's a lifetime favorite, but it's not on any of my streaming services and cost a fortune on DVD.
It's on HBOMax. I don't know if that helps, but that's where I'm watching it.
It was on Netflix for a while, they may have taken it off but that were I rewatched it a year or so ago.
@@KarlRoyale they took it off Netflix. I was annoyed about that because I wasn't finished watching it. It's on HBOMax now.
The entire series is available as a torrent. It's even old enough that I doubt there's anyone tracking any of it, so bothering with a VPN is probably just overkill.
"cost a fortune on DVD" ...and its still value for money. Treat yourself. :)
I love Leo.
Good talk.
I can't tell you how many times I've used "Look at my face" since seeing this.
when people write on the West Wing, people sometimes forget who speaks the line, Yes, so many people excel as their characters but for a moment could you see someone other the Leo(John) answered Jeb (Martin) so fully as sharing long ago memories, as Let Bartlett be Bartlett and more is the riches Aaron wrote supplied many episodes so true to our lives, sometimes in this week or soon as the wealth of other scenes once again reminds us of ours.
Hollywood is a place where they give Aaron Sorkin awards for writing.
My favorite part was when he said "Fellas.. look at my baseball mitt of a face. It's McGarrying time"
"don't screw up"
goes on to win two terms in the white house and become one of bartletts must trusted members of the administration ❤
If this was HBO it’d be a perfect place to have Leo say “Don’t fuck up.”
What a scene…
Never has there been a better show.....
Aaah the days when a fantasy administration was competent, rather than literate.
Lefty wet-dream version of the Clinton administration.
Literacy doesn't guarantee competence, but competence (in politics) is impossible without it. Having seen the results of an illiterate administration (you know, the guy with the Sharpie?), I'll take what we've got now, thank you.
@@xheralt Don't neglect the increasingly illiterate electorate!
... and Toby is there... "WTF just happened?" :)
Toby started that day believing he would be the one who was fired.
"You want me to refer to Senator John Hoynes of Texas, who at the moment has a 48-point lead for the Democratic nomination, as "the other guy"? You're not afraid it's going to make me look like I can't remember his name? I am. I think it's going to make me look like I can't remember his name. I think it's going to make me look addled, I think it's going to make me look dotty. And even if it didn't make me look like those things, it would remain a stupid idea. What's next? Nothing? Excellent."
you just fired an entire team of pro's kept a guy who admits he's drunk and leave him saying don't screw up yeah no pressure there
I don't know enough about the show, but I think what Leo saw in Toby that he didn't see in the others is that Toby cared enough about what happens to take to heart what happened. Hence why Toby felt the need to drown his sorrows. The other guys were unruffled and stoic, as if they couldn't care less about what happened. Leo saw that, and they left with boot marks planted squarely in their asses.
@@RussellSmith91 Also, Toby was a tremendously talented speech writer. A lot of characters comment about it. I think that was a big reason Leo kept him around (also, agreeing with Leo's instincts helped, especially since those instincts proved to be 100% correct later on).
You dont have to go home....you just have to go....
Look at my face ha ha
A shame the next scene isn't included where Bartlett has a melt down because Leo fired everyone Bartlett knew on the campaign staff, even though they weren't getting the job done for him.
THIS is how you fire people. You don't savor it, you don't make a big thing out of it, and you definitely don't fashion a whole public image of yourself based on the power that comes through firing people. You assert professionalism and the job. If a person isn't up to the job, then you do what's necessary, but, in Leo's immortal words, "We don't strut."
Leo's mission in life at that point was to get Bartlett elected. I think no one outside of Bartlett and maybe Abby really understood that until later.
These guys will argue with Bartlet about whether he should say Hoynes' name on the stump, but they won't argue with Leo about whether they're fired? Something tells me they didn't even *want* to be on the campaign.
When you are that far behind, it is hard to want to be there. Bartlett only started out the campaign to get on the news, then his Democratic opponents fell over themselves screwing up, and Bartlett is the front runner, and Hoynes is barely big enough to be selected as VP.
I want Toby... get going
I like Richard schiff
So I can't find the clip preceding this.. what was the governors answer tonight?
"Don't screw up."
"Why not, you just did"
(That's just being snarky, haven't seen the episode so don't know all of the issues. It's just that firing your team in the middle of a campaign can be bad)
They didn't stand a chance with those guys. It was time to bring in better people.
Here is the context; It was early early into the campaign and the only two who played in the big league in that room were Toby and Leo. they kept fretting the small stuff and oblivious to the bigger picture. Toby kept trying to nudge them in the right direction but they wanted none of it and none of Toby -- that was why he was drunk and that is why Leo fired them.
So fire the people tells the truth….
With the shitty "politics as usual" answers...yes fire them. If only if it were the real world
This was a TV show, I wish the Democratic Party was actually like this, they have not been like this in decades
Never seen this clip
90% of the people on the planet would not survive in that world. Chewed up and spit out.
It's not like I have my own controller what are you worried about?
What's Next?!
What was the governors answer?
He admitted that he screwed over the dairy farmers...but did so to keep price of milk down in order to mitigate child hunger in the country
Local dairy owners were mad about his pricing policies, and he said he didn't want to make milk more expensive for the consumer, and if they didn't like that, they could vote for someone else.
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Thanks, why was Toby going to get fired for that answer?
@@MrGigaHurtz He wasn't going to be fired for that answer. He suspected he was going to get fired because he knew he had one opinion and the other four had another. That's why he was surprised when Leo fired the other four and kept him. He thought he was the outlier, not realizing that Leo saw something else in him.
What does it say about US politics that the best modern day U.S President was a fictional character.
When was I hired?
No severance package? See how y'are?
You know, I really couldn't stand Jed Bartlet in all honesty. I liked the show, but I thought he was a smug, smarmy know it all.
Jed Barlett would hate the woke world lol
"The other guy" works for Biden...
That's because the other guy is not ahead by 48 points and Biden is speaking from a position of power. For him, it's a dismissive. He could say "that Orange fucker," but it would be disrespectful. "The other guy" is a jab without stooping to a lower level.
They went a bit too far with making Bartlet an a-hole while he was running for president. Honestly, why would all the people who became his inner circle have fought to hard for such a jerk.
Fast forward to 2022 and the president can't remember a name and is shaking hands on the stage with people that aren't there.
And the guy before him was even worse.
@@demontooth0428 not a Trump supporter, he was bad in his own way. But not in the way of cognitive decline.
@@jronche the dude who thinks we took the airports during the Revolutionary War isn't in cognitive decline?
@@demontooth0428 Of course we took the airports. Where else do you think Benjamin Franklin would have been able to fly his kite?
@@demontooth0428 a decline presents a presumption that He knew that before. Here you can malr a case of plain stupidity
Well ... That was boring and shallow. Who thinks this is how adults talk?
What this scene shows is that an addled, dotty and forgetful Presidential candidate is not a problem for the Democrats.
Oh course it was, they impeached that old orange idiot twice.
Who knew?
@@situated4 anyone who has paid any attention to Joe Biden in the last 40 years knows what he is. The guy has long been a corrupt, arrogant, psychpathic liar and a fool. He has been known for decades even by his fellow Democrats as the gaffematic, because of his tendancy to say stupid things. Barack Obama is reported to have said, “Never underestimate Joe’s ability to f… things up”. Obama’s Defense Secretary wrote, “I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” As a fictious President Jed Bartlett was a grand master politician. Real President Joe Biden is a senile puppet who can’t even walk across a stage without guidance.
You and I remember the Bush years differently.
@@gwpeoples You are going with whatabout Bush? You really think you are being clever? Nope, you’re not. I bet you’re a Biden voter. Well if you are, you own the train wreck that we have in the White House now, and you have no place to say, “whatabout Bush?” or “whatabout Trump?”.
Another Joe Biden!😱😵💫
Which one?
You know, Biden, that president that is renowned for continually firing people, sometimes before they have even officially started. Wait... no that was the guy before Biden.
It’s better than another Donald Fart
I'll take Sleepy Joe over Idiot Trump every time
Nobody does it better than Vince McMahon “Shut UP” “YOUR FIRED”