@@gregfaber3417 I mean is there a choice? the 25th Amendment at this time was only a temporary transfer of power, to remain in power he d have to drag the entire congress in to prove Bartlet was still incompetent to lead, that would be petty, and Walken was anything but petty
@@switters8679 what i meant was Walker was a principled politician who wouldn't simply drag a persons name through mud for his own political gain, hence there was really no other choice to be made but the right one
Can I just say how I kind of love the fact that the guy in the scene who brings up two different presidents is the same guy that was chosen to be "the guy" during Bartlett's State of the Union speech in an earlier episode and is the one who gave him a copy of the United States Constitution in Latin..... Also the line "Leo would know what to do" seems to be an oath, a hope and a prayer. Thank you John Spencer for bringing such an amazing character to life that long after you have passed we still look to.
@@elgordo9525 It is, I promise! I'm pretty sure it's the first season. If I remember correctly it's also the episode where President Bartlett has the flu and Leo finds out he has MS.
My favorite line is in the Situation Room, and John Goodman says "If Zoe Barlet winds up dead, we're going to bomb the hell out of somebody." It showed total unity in command and high positions in Barlet's administration. Loved this show!!
better yet when he gave the press conference and ha backed up the President's decision to assassinate the guy. That would never happen, in the real world he would have thrown the President under the bus and started an investigation. He said something like ' Sharif was a walking talking command center'. Which helped give the Bartlett legal cover for killing shariff.
@@zippyzipster46 I 100% believe If a daughter of the president were killed, the USA is gonna be bombing somewhere. Whether it’s the right place or the right thing morally is a different story.
@@thenewadventuresofhenry6998 Of course, Gingrich was probably used as a template of what not to do. After all, Gingrich had absolutely no respect for even the speakership as evidenced by what he tried to do to “Tip” O’Neill. He also had no respect for the presidency as evidenced by impeachment.
Maybe some of you guys knew but for those who did not. While the scene that follows, (the oval office scene) was being set up, Sorkin called everyone into the rosevelt room to tell them all that he was forced to leave the show. If you watch the next scene you can see a difference in energy from the cast. It was perfectly timed since Bartlet turned over power to Goodman's character. But they delayed filming the final scene for a while so the cast and crew could disect what just happened.
Nobody going to remark that the writers had enough wherewithal to bring back the man that played the Designated Survivor as the Secretary of Agriculture in "He Shall From Time To Time" to ask the "contradictory orders" question in this scene?
I was able to piece that together because I've been flicking through these clips on youtube, and saw the guy a couple of days ago. The series is littered with these shelved characters, motifs etc.
He stood, while his cabinet secretaries sat. Not a normal pose. But! It showed that he was subservient to the office and left it to them. Bravo, Mr. Bartlett, bravo!
LOL I love how Walkens just walks in & takes charge & shows who's clearly a leader & not a commission yet he doesn't do it tyrannical or just to the uncertain bartlett staff but to his own. Knowing that all of it from Zoey's kidnapping to the assassination & everything in between has been unsettling at the least to everyone regardless of their politics or what team they play for.
@@nrkgalt There are people who consider that the good of the country is MORE important than the good of their family. It's not wrong, but it's hard to find that person.
@Grumpy468 Money is not the driving force for every US President. Nixon for example was in it for the power. Kennedy was more about filling the role Dad had set out for brother Joe before he was killed in WWII. Eisenhower was all about a desire for order in a chaotic world. These are not always bad things. Who knows what inner demons drove Mother Theresa. The world and the people in it are more complex, beautiful and f--ed up than can be summed up in one sentence.
Sorkin really left them a corker with the season 4 finale, didn't he? I wonder if the writers were making some kind of self-referential point about an outsider taking control of operations... nah, probably not.
Because VP Hoynes had stepped down a few episodes before and had yet to be replaced. At the time, there was no VP. So the Speaker became acting president.
this scene makes me cry every time, more than any other scene from tww. i always mourn characters leaving the white house, but to lose the president terrified me the first time i watched it. they can't exist without him.
I love the sheer amount of trust and respect everyone in the entire government has for Leo. They dont have an actual answer for a question as terrifyingly monumental as "what if we end up with two conflicting federal governments" other than a true trust that Leo will be able to figure it out.
This is my second favorite scene of my favorite TV show [first being the entire Brothers at Arms scene at the end of "Two Cathedrals". Like TrainingThespian, the cutting from Bartlet to the yet unknown Walken to the Senior Staff was just chilling. If anyone knows how to get the theme without dialogue, it would be greatly appreciated.
The very last bit of Aaron Sorkin for this show. s5 to the end...was just alright. Some brilliance but nothing like when Aaron wrote and Thomas directed.
It's a great moment. It showed that even though he personally held some controversial views, he was still literate and understood the gravity of the situation.
@@jamesgoines7663 The US could hardly have been considered a "fledgling Republic" in 1967. You meant the Founding Fathers. Not the "forefathers" of 1967. Why not just come out and be honest ?Just say, "yep, I thought the Founders enacted this clause into the Constitution, and I was wrong." Why not just say that, instead of doubling down ?
It's interesting that many of your comments are about the framers. Each time an amendment is introduced it is done by framers. Forefathers is a very simple concept. These are individuals who came before our parents. So after 1967, there could have possibly been at least 2 generations since it's was written. And yes, it is a fledgling democracy. Amendments would not have to be written or added if they had established everything when the declaration of independence was originally created.
Our democracy and constitution is constantly tested by some unheard ideas. That's the reason why Congress should write laws and the Supreme Court to bring clarity to the laws written.
I get Josh's questioning what was going on from a political stand point, it's his job. But he didn't have the perspective that Leo and Toby had, when it is your child that has been taken and you have access to nuclear launch codes, it would be highly tempting to blow away anybody that might be involved. Like Toby said, 'he was only a parent less than twenty four hours but if somebody had taken one of his children, it would be everything he could do not to carpet bomb Mecca.' President Bartlet did the best thing he could do and stepped down until Zoey was found.
What this show did was reveal a well kept secret--it doesn't matter what the Constitution says, in many administrations, the president's Chief of Staff is the most powerful (or second most powerful) person in the White House.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but, did anybody else notice the The Designated Survivor Assitant Secretary in Season 1 ,sitting in this scene and is now a Secretary of some department. He got promoted.
He had also played this role (Sec. of the Interior, I think?) earlier, and had a wonderful scene with Bartlet. He was chosen as the "designated survivor" for the State of the Union speech, and Bartlet gave him advice, just in case- including the wonderful "Do you have a best friend? Is he smarter than you? That's your Chief of Staff."
This episode is sad because for me, it was the last one before the series changed forever and was never the same. After Aaron Sorkin left the show, often it felt like watching completely different characters. The writing got flatter, and while there was still good to be found (the final season especially) it was definitely a turning point
@@wallacerose8663 Yea, the show was still "good" especially compared to a lot of the stuff that's been made since but it was missing the humor that had made it so great earlier on. The show did something smart by pivoting to more serious issues so that you wouldn't notice it as much but it was still there especially if you were binging it like I was. I noticed I just wasn't laughing nearly as much anymore.
@@22especwell yes Barlet and Hoynes personally hated each other but they made a working relationship. This has happened throughout history though. In the 1956 election Eisenhower was seriously considering dropping Nixon as VP because he hated how Nixon was cozying up to the then-budding super right wing elements of the Republican party.
I can only guess what would happen, if this happened for real. One thing I know is that all branches of the armed forces would go to Defcon 2, if not Defcon 1 and all government agencies would be placed on Alert status "Severe"
Imagine if President Trump invoked the 25th Ammendment and handed power over to Nancy Pelosi (and Mike Pence were somehow out of the picture). That's how it'd be.
it didn't go to shit, it just stepped down...I first watched this show in the last season just recently...I thought it was awesome, so I looked it up and I saw that the popular word was the first 3 seasons were far superior to the latter, yet I thought the latter seasons, the only shows that I had seen, were pretty damn good...I'm now almost caught up to where I began.
Seems to be a weird little gap in the law. I would assume the Supreme Court would rule that the mechanisms of the Amendment would also apply to the PSA as that was Congress' intent, but it's not explicit.
Why/How would Leo have put "in an impossible situation"? It is quite clear that until Bartlet were to sign the paper returning him to duty, that he would have zero authority to give orders. Any ordered given by Bartlet(until he returned to duty) would have to be ignored. It is quite clear.
It's a moral question, not a political one. Leo believes in Bartlet more than anyone, including himself. Leo's worked for years to make Bartlet president. Although Bartlet's powers might be assigned to the Speaker, the authority he holds in Leo's eyes by virtue of his character, history, and accomplishments, remains with him.
Because theoretically if the vice president is only going to become president for a short period of time due to a situation with the current president (i.e. health, family issues, etc. Also something we have only ever experienced once when President Garland was shot but he didn't die until about 2 months later) then most of the stuff does not change unless the next in the line of succession demands it. So that is why Leo would have been put into an impossible decision because he was, without President Walken asking him to temporarily step aside, still the chief of staff.
@@NatashaRaisor I still don't see what it would be an impossible situation. It would be quite clear that, until Bartlet returned to duty, only Walken could give orders.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 authorizes Congress to establish the Presidential line of succession beyond the VP. That is done by the Presidential Succession Act. The XXV Amendment offers the President the ability to temporarily turn over power to the Vice President only. While the PSA mentions the possibility of a temporary transfer of power all the way down the chain, it does not provide for the mechanism implemented in XXV, nor for any mechanism to do so, nor a definition of inability.
However, the point still holds that, unlike the XXV Amendment, the Presidential Succession Act does not explicitly authorize the President to declare his own incapacity.
At 2:18 there is an error where the writers didn't do their homework-- there hasn't been a Secretary of Health AND Education since the 1970s! Actually it was Health, Education and Welfare. Now there is a Secy of Education and a Secy of Health and Human Services.
Not an error actually. "The West Wing" seems to occur in an alternate history where all of the presidents post-Nixon are different and the presidential elections happen in the off years. One explanation for that is that instead of serving Nixon's second term, maybe Gerald Ford called for a special election in 1974. Therefore, Jimmy Carter was never president and never reorganized the cabinet. Thus there's still a Secretary of Health and Education.
Alternate reality. In the real world, those departments were separated in 1979, but that's already past the point of divergence from the WW timeline. It's less a mistake, and more a subtle reminder that this isn't our universe.
@@davidllewis4075 Yeah but you do know that none of this matters ...right ? I'm not a "book smart" person but I started reading the kjv bible for the first time ever ...even though I claimed to be a believer in Christ for 30 years... and the knowledge that the God of Abraham has freely given me, and to all who seek him... also gave me knowledge in the world and things of the world .... The point i am trying to make is that the United States is no longer "we the people" and hasn't been since 1868 . : ( (see the 14th amendment)
The XXV Amendment makes no provision for any officer other than the Vice President to assume the office of Acting President. This transition was governed by the Presidential Succession Act of 1947.
I agree. john wells might have done great things with ER, but he failed with west wing. After Sorkin they kept bringing new people, but we watched for the old ones, the original cast. Sorkin dialog was witty and funny, after season 4 it was very just blaaa...
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Will’s statement is the best. “A stunning act of patriotism and a normal act of a loving father “. Even the Republicans acknowledged that.
Yeah, we live our life by that. It's the wackos on the left that don't care about patriotism or protecting children
I love Walker’s attitude towards his presidency, he didn’t want it. And was very respectful towards Bartlett
And he willingly resigned his role when Bartlet was able to reassume his duly elected role.
@@gregfaber3417 I mean is there a choice? the 25th Amendment at this time was only a temporary transfer of power, to remain in power he d have to drag the entire congress in to prove Bartlet was still incompetent to lead, that would be petty, and Walken was anything but petty
@@anishgb You question whether a choice exists and then proceed to outline the very existence of the choice...
@@switters8679 what i meant was Walker was a principled politician who wouldn't simply drag a persons name through mud for his own political gain, hence there was really no other choice to be made but the right one
Can I just say how I kind of love the fact that the guy in the scene who brings up two different presidents is the same guy that was chosen to be "the guy" during Bartlett's State of the Union speech in an earlier episode and is the one who gave him a copy of the United States Constitution in Latin.....
Also the line "Leo would know what to do" seems to be an oath, a hope and a prayer.
Thank you John Spencer for bringing such an amazing character to life that long after you have passed we still look to.
No shit? Now I gotta watch it to trust and confirm.
@@elgordo9525 It is, I promise! I'm pretty sure it's the first season. If I remember correctly it's also the episode where President Bartlett has the flu and Leo finds out he has MS.
Hear, Hear, @Natasha Marie.
My favorite line is in the Situation Room, and John Goodman says "If Zoe Barlet winds up dead, we're going to bomb the hell out of somebody." It showed total unity in command and high positions in Barlet's administration. Loved this show!!
better yet when he gave the press conference and ha backed up the President's decision to assassinate the guy. That would never happen, in the real world he would have thrown the President under the bus and started an investigation. He said something like ' Sharif was a walking talking command center'. Which helped give the Bartlett legal cover for killing shariff.
@@PeterSedesse The really best line was his next one: "My only regret was we could only kill the son-of-a-bitch once."
Tv lover. Wow. Just a drone. Sad America believing TV.
@@zippyzipster46 I 100% believe If a daughter of the president were killed, the USA is gonna be bombing somewhere. Whether it’s the right place or the right thing morally is a different story.
@Woozy ha good observation
Even if he's from the opposing party. trust John Goodman to do the right thing.
Soumyo Mukherjee For him this would be a lateral move after King Ralph.
Not to mention, he's based on Newt Gingrich. Good situation.
@@nrkgalt from a hereditary head of state to a constitutional head of state. What a life!
@@thenewadventuresofhenry6998 Of course, Gingrich was probably used as a template of what not to do. After all, Gingrich had absolutely no respect for even the speakership as evidenced by what he tried to do to “Tip” O’Neill. He also had no respect for the presidency as evidenced by impeachment.
"Leo will know what to do."
You can depend on that.
Maybe some of you guys knew but for those who did not. While the scene that follows,
(the oval office scene) was being set up, Sorkin called everyone into the rosevelt room to tell them all that he was forced to leave the show. If you watch the next scene you can see a difference in energy from the cast. It was perfectly timed since Bartlet turned over power to Goodman's character. But they delayed filming the final scene for a while so the cast and crew could disect what just happened.
Nobody going to remark that the writers had enough wherewithal to bring back the man that played the Designated Survivor as the Secretary of Agriculture in "He Shall From Time To Time" to ask the "contradictory orders" question in this scene?
Good catch. I see that now.
I was able to piece that together because I've been flicking through these clips on youtube, and saw the guy a couple of days ago. The series is littered with these shelved characters, motifs etc.
The actor was also the Mayor of Buffy the Vampire Slayer's home town and a major baddy.
😁
I'm glad they got that one Cabinet Secretary correct, since they bungled/jumbled so many others.
@@andrew_4747 there are 10 cabinet secretary positions in the scene. 9 are correct; the incorrect one is “Secretary of Health and Education”
He stood, while his cabinet secretaries sat. Not a normal pose. But! It showed that he was subservient to the office and left it to them. Bravo, Mr. Bartlett, bravo!
LOL I love how Walkens just walks in & takes charge & shows who's clearly a leader & not a commission yet he doesn't do it tyrannical or just to the uncertain bartlett staff but to his own. Knowing that all of it from Zoey's kidnapping to the assassination & everything in between has been unsettling at the least to everyone regardless of their politics or what team they play for.
Exactly. The system has always meant to exist regardless of the person who happens to hold the office
Imagine a time when a president might consider stepping down in a time of personal crisis for the good of the country.
Now come back to reality.
A person who really cares about his/her family would likely not seek the office of president.
@@nrkgalt There are people who consider that the good of the country is MORE important than the good of their family. It's not wrong, but it's hard to find that person.
@@chrisrautmann8936 Guess we have no frontrunners for 2020...
@Grumpy468 Money is not the driving force for every US President. Nixon for example was in it for the power. Kennedy was more about filling the role Dad had set out for brother Joe before he was killed in WWII. Eisenhower was all about a desire for order in a chaotic world.
These are not always bad things. Who knows what inner demons drove Mother Theresa. The world and the people in it are more complex, beautiful and f--ed up than can be summed up in one sentence.
@@timmooney6910 Great answer, especially coming on a RUclips comment section. A+, Mr Mooney.
It just great how everybody is so sure that Leo will know what to do, that's trust
Best tv show ever..What great writing and ensemble of actors...
Checks and balances all the way down to Leo would know what to do 😂
Sorkin really left them a corker with the season 4 finale, didn't he?
I wonder if the writers were making some kind of self-referential point about an outsider taking control of operations... nah, probably not.
Totally possible
Because VP Hoynes had stepped down a few episodes before and had yet to be replaced. At the time, there was no VP. So the Speaker became acting president.
this scene makes me cry every time, more than any other scene from tww. i always mourn characters leaving the white house, but to lose the president terrified me the first time i watched it. they can't exist without him.
This was a great oppurtunity for John Goodman. He had such a powerful presence
Yes. He was the perfect actor to fill this role.
This episode is so much more loaded because it was Sorkin's last show. Thanks for posting.
"Leo would know what to do" is a hell of a coup haha
Literally, at one point.
they sure know how to add power to a scene in the west wing.. excellent directors!
I love the sheer amount of trust and respect everyone in the entire government has for Leo. They dont have an actual answer for a question as terrifyingly monumental as "what if we end up with two conflicting federal governments" other than a true trust that Leo will be able to figure it out.
I don't know if it's the brilliance of the West Wing or the predictability of our politics, but this show can almost predict the future.
They don't make quality shows like this anymore. Outstanding series
Who’s here two weeks before Election Day in 2020?
Revisiting heroes and old “friends”. Dropped ours off Saturday.
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@@willsco76 r u ok?
"Leo will know what to do." Now that's trust, but also so much pressure. No wonder he had a heart attack.
This is my second favorite scene of my favorite TV show [first being the entire Brothers at Arms scene at the end of "Two Cathedrals". Like TrainingThespian, the cutting from Bartlet to the yet unknown Walken to the Senior Staff was just chilling. If anyone knows how to get the theme without dialogue, it would be greatly appreciated.
@Ude Eko - I agree - Two Cathedrals was much more than a TV show. It was one of the best movies I have ever seen.
I love The West Wing
God, I miss this wonderful show!
I miss this show so much
I like that Walker’s been the Speaker since the beginning we just never saw him.
The very last bit of Aaron Sorkin for this show. s5 to the end...was just alright. Some brilliance but nothing like when Aaron wrote and Thomas directed.
Just watch santos and Vinicius debate though...that was pretty incredible
@@iansaunders8215 And Glenn Close. That was an utterly solid episode
My favorite Speaker Walker trait was that his favorite president was Truman.
This was all John Goodman. He's from Missouri (where Truman is from) and is a vocal supporter of unions (again, like Truman).
You should post Speaker Walken's swearing in. He gave a very brief history on why WWI started that was brilliant.
It's a great moment. It showed that even though he personally held some controversial views, he was still literate and understood the gravity of the situation.
I'm expecting him to yell "MARK IT ZERO!!"
Naw, I don't become Acting President on the Shabbas"
“The Republic Comes First”
It's amazing how forward thinking our forefathers considered so many possibilities for the sake of our fledgling Republic.
@Jack Evans thanks for the info.
60 + years ago.
Yep forefathers alright.
@@jamesgoines7663 The US could hardly have been considered a "fledgling Republic" in 1967. You meant the Founding Fathers. Not the "forefathers" of 1967. Why not just come out and be honest ?Just say, "yep, I thought the Founders enacted this clause into the Constitution, and I was wrong."
Why not just say that, instead of doubling down ?
framers didn't come up with this as most comments below tell you. in fact they adopted the position of vp at the last minute
It's interesting that many of your comments are about the framers.
Each time an amendment is introduced it is done by framers. Forefathers is a very simple concept. These are individuals who came before our parents.
So after 1967, there could have possibly been at least 2 generations since it's was written.
And yes, it is a fledgling democracy. Amendments would not have to be written or added if they had established everything when the declaration of independence was originally created.
Our democracy and constitution is constantly tested by some unheard ideas. That's the reason why Congress should write laws and the Supreme Court to bring clarity to the laws written.
I get Josh's questioning what was going on from a political stand point, it's his job. But he didn't have the perspective that Leo and Toby had, when it is your child that has been taken and you have access to nuclear launch codes, it would be highly tempting to blow away anybody that might be involved. Like Toby said, 'he was only a parent less than twenty four hours but if somebody had taken one of his children, it would be everything he could do not to carpet bomb Mecca.' President Bartlet did the best thing he could do and stepped down until Zoey was found.
What this show did was reveal a well kept secret--it doesn't matter what the Constitution says, in many administrations, the president's Chief of Staff is the most powerful (or second most powerful) person in the White House.
And with the kind of actor John Spencer was, one never forgets that fact!!!!!
2021 anybody?
I always liked how Walken said "Witness this" in this episode.
It shows that he was well versed and understood the unprecedented role that was thrust upon him
"Breath regular."
*Wheezes like an asthmatic rhinoceros*
He's handing power...to a guy on the other team!!
Someone correct me if I am wrong but, did anybody else notice the The Designated Survivor Assitant Secretary in Season 1 ,sitting in this scene and is now a Secretary of some department. He got promoted.
it doesn't say i can't handle it, it says i am handling it - the power of constitution
I love how the script is, "Yeah, we'll commit treason by disobeying the acting POTUS."
@Abhishek Harge The 25th transfers power. There's no question as to who is in command. What the cabinet is discussing a coup.
@Abhishek Harge the acting POTUS is the POTUS. The original POTUS no longer has any power
Still....America's best lesson in Civics
Then....Trump
Big Dan T as president? Fucking cool.
Contradictory orders? The whole point of the 25th amendment is that it keeps 1 person in charge at a time and only one.
Fitting for today.
All eps are available on Netflix.
1:23 Harry Groener who played the mayor in Buffy! This is an awesome, delicate scene.
He had also played this role (Sec. of the Interior, I think?) earlier, and had a wonderful scene with Bartlet. He was chosen as the "designated survivor" for the State of the Union speech, and Bartlet gave him advice, just in case- including the wonderful "Do you have a best friend? Is he smarter than you? That's your Chief of Staff."
@@bbofun He was Secretary of Agriculture as well in that episode (“He Shall, From Time to Time...”).
I consider the entire scenario unrealistic. It makes Bartlett appear weak, which he eas not.
Brian Ellinger from Akron/Springfield.
...yes,Sir...
This episode is sad because for me, it was the last one before the series changed forever and was never the same. After Aaron Sorkin left the show, often it felt like watching completely different characters. The writing got flatter, and while there was still good to be found (the final season especially) it was definitely a turning point
I found the Sorkin humour was missing from the later years. The show seemed a lot more serious all the time, with less funny material.
@@wallacerose8663 Yea, the show was still "good" especially compared to a lot of the stuff that's been made since but it was missing the humor that had made it so great earlier on. The show did something smart by pivoting to more serious issues so that you wouldn't notice it as much but it was still there especially if you were binging it like I was. I noticed I just wasn't laughing nearly as much anymore.
A-Hem....I prefer to think of him as the befuddled and beloved King Ralph!
Yes, two different departments.
One thing I never understood was why did we hardly ever see jed Bartlett in a cabinet meeting.
He hates them, just look at what he did to the Vice-president in the first one they show up
@@22especwell yes Barlet and Hoynes personally hated each other but they made a working relationship. This has happened throughout history though.
In the 1956 election Eisenhower was seriously considering dropping Nixon as VP because he hated how Nixon was cozying up to the then-budding super right wing elements of the Republican party.
This would've been Newt Gingrich's dream...
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I can only guess what would happen, if this happened for real. One thing I know is that all branches of the armed forces would go to Defcon 2, if not Defcon 1 and all government agencies would be placed on Alert status "Severe"
And a random recommendation based on current reality in US
I’d kill to see what Aaron Sorkin would have done with the next few episodes and Walker as acting President.
In fact, he did a seminar about that, years later. Sorkin had the advantage of never watching the show after he left it, and so was quite fresh.
@An0nym0usMaN I know, right?! Whenever I see John Goodman in any role now, all I can think of is Roseanne lol.
great video love that episode thanks. Does anyone have video where Josh does the briefing when Cj has toothache-very funny episode.
Celestial Navigation. One of my favorites as well.
maybe its a hug type situation, or like a huddle.
Imagine if President Trump invoked the 25th Ammendment and handed power over to Nancy Pelosi (and Mike Pence were somehow out of the picture).
That's how it'd be.
Leo knew what to do o7
It's just a score cue from the show, written by composer Snuffy Walden.
Right, but in the full expanded West Wing score it is not present. I would love to have it without dialogue. Oh well, one can dream.
it didn't go to shit, it just stepped down...I first watched this show in the last season just recently...I thought it was awesome, so I looked it up and I saw that the popular word was the first 3 seasons were far superior to the latter, yet I thought the latter seasons, the only shows that I had seen, were pretty damn good...I'm now almost caught up to where I began.
You just have to get very very uncomfortably close to them ;)
Seems to be a weird little gap in the law. I would assume the Supreme Court would rule that the mechanisms of the Amendment would also apply to the PSA as that was Congress' intent, but it's not explicit.
GET DOWN BASS
Why/How would Leo have put "in an impossible situation"? It is quite clear that until Bartlet were to sign the paper returning him to duty, that he would have zero authority to give orders. Any ordered given by Bartlet(until he returned to duty) would have to be ignored. It is quite clear.
It's a moral question, not a political one. Leo believes in Bartlet more than anyone, including himself. Leo's worked for years to make Bartlet president. Although Bartlet's powers might be assigned to the Speaker, the authority he holds in Leo's eyes by virtue of his character, history, and accomplishments, remains with him.
@@Sardonac Leo also knows the law and cares about the Constitution. He would know who is in charge and who to obey.
@@warblerab2955 Yes, that's why they say that Leo will know what to do when the time comes.
Because theoretically if the vice president is only going to become president for a short period of time due to a situation with the current president (i.e. health, family issues, etc. Also something we have only ever experienced once when President Garland was shot but he didn't die until about 2 months later) then most of the stuff does not change unless the next in the line of succession demands it.
So that is why Leo would have been put into an impossible decision because he was, without President Walken asking him to temporarily step aside, still the chief of staff.
@@NatashaRaisor I still don't see what it would be an impossible situation. It would be quite clear that, until Bartlet returned to duty, only Walken could give orders.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 authorizes Congress to establish the Presidential line of succession beyond the VP. That is done by the Presidential Succession Act. The XXV Amendment offers the President the ability to temporarily turn over power to the Vice President only. While the PSA mentions the possibility of a temporary transfer of power all the way down the chain, it does not provide for the mechanism implemented in XXV, nor for any mechanism to do so, nor a definition of inability.
I know when I tried searching for it, with any references related to him, I could not find it. :(
@An0nym0usMaN If you say so.
how to watch it from India the series whole again?
He also played the King of England in King Ralph, one of the only movies where he was the lead actor. Most say King Ralph sucked but i disagree.
caseyrook He was also the lead actor in The Babe. He was one of the few actors who had to slim down to play Babe Ruth.
However, the point still holds that, unlike the XXV Amendment, the Presidential Succession Act does not explicitly authorize the President to declare his own incapacity.
How does one stand squarely behind someone AND stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them at the same time?
Get real up close and personal
It's a good thing John Goodman recently lose 100 pounds this month!
Can someone tell me what season and episode of this show had to do with federalism? plz?
thank god the HUD secretary didn't break ranks
LOL. And called him a "racist" saying "if the shoe fits" :) Sorry, I was thinking of Season 1 and Deborah O'Leary.
Why did he hand over power?
Election Day 2020?
At 2:18 there is an error where the writers didn't do their homework-- there hasn't been a Secretary of Health AND Education since the 1970s! Actually it was Health, Education and Welfare. Now there is a Secy of Education and a Secy of Health and Human Services.
Not an error actually. "The West Wing" seems to occur in an alternate history where all of the presidents post-Nixon are different and the presidential elections happen in the off years. One explanation for that is that instead of serving Nixon's second term, maybe Gerald Ford called for a special election in 1974. Therefore, Jimmy Carter was never president and never reorganized the cabinet. Thus there's still a Secretary of Health and Education.
I thought when the president stands everyone stands....
Anyone else here from CGP Grey?
Tiny error: "Secretary of Health and Education."
Huge error for this marvelously detailed series.
Alternate reality. In the real world, those departments were separated in 1979, but that's already past the point of divergence from the WW timeline. It's less a mistake, and more a subtle reminder that this isn't our universe.
After the Trump Biden debate is John Goodman available?
After this it went shit. In the old days if a character didn't work (eg. Kate Harper) they'd get sent off to Mandyville and never return.
wow imagine that, a US where Martin Sheen is replaced by John Goodman. If only our country was like that...
what do you mean? Your country IS like that. You guys vote in bodybuilders as governors and reality tv stars who brand themselves as assholes...
I'm looking for clip where Walken says, "you are relieved Mr. President" Want to show it to my son. 1/24/2020
West Wing WWI Beginnings ..
why do you want to show it to your son ?
@@chazzlucas6395 want him to know how it is Supposed to be in WH. Thanks
@@davidllewis4075 Yeah but you do know that none of this matters ...right ?
I'm not a "book smart" person but I started reading the kjv bible for the first time ever ...even though I claimed to be a believer in Christ for 30 years... and the knowledge that the God of Abraham has freely given me, and to all who seek him... also gave me knowledge in the world and things of the world ....
The point i am trying to make is that the United States is no longer "we the people" and hasn't been since 1868 . : ( (see the 14th amendment)
The XXV Amendment makes no provision for any officer other than the Vice President to assume the office of Acting President. This transition was governed by the Presidential Succession Act of 1947.
Maybe so, but there waqs no Vice President, so the chips fell appropriately.
Anyone have a clue what music is playing in the background during this scene?
I can't come up with any results. Much appreciated. Thanks.
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@@HoyaSaxaSD Why respond if you do not have the right information? This was not trance music.
@@kulu3850 where?
I don't remember this, why was he giving away the Presidency
USA's version of Nayak
Thank the Lord 43 never signed the 25th...can you say President Cheney? OMG!
+Tobi Ojo you dont think he already had the power?
+00Billy He did.
I agree. john wells might have done great things with ER, but he failed with west wing. After Sorkin they kept bringing new people, but we watched for the old ones, the original cast. Sorkin dialog was witty and funny, after season 4 it was very just blaaa...
Why Bartlett hands the power over???