thats gonna take getting past a mental block for me, when im sliding in the wrong direction towards a curb or another car my reaction isnt to hit the throttle lol
@@Rory695 in a FWD you're better off using the throttle in this situation, even in RWD cars you're often using a little bit of throttle to neutralize the rear of the car as well as forcing it to bite in a little bit more. FWD is much more seemingly violent going into a corner like this though, you want to lift and get you're braking done a bit earlier then normal and then get into the throttle to try and keep the car balanced before the weight balance of the car shifts again mid corner, it's a bit of black magic honestly, also way easier to learn IRL 'cause in a sim for whatever reason (at least in my opinion) you're needing to make up a lot of info with your eyes that you'd be feeling through G-force IRL. you have to overcome much more than a mental hurdle to overcome, you're also relearning how to drive after how ever many years, front wheel drive racing is definitely a weird one to try and master, managing the load and heat that comes from having one set of tires doing both steering and acceleration is tricky af to manage, get into a few situations like this during a race and your tires will be ruined, adds a pretty exciting dynamic to viewing the race though, some people are bad fast but awful at managing their car and pace, interesting to think that FWD was at one time the pinnacle of motorsport tech! imo it learning to race a FWD car is one of the most difficult things to do, nothing about it feels natural to learn.
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 Leaving the throttle cracked open just a hair through a turn helps eliminate understeer, as well. Being entirely off throttle can make the front end of some FFs become unruly and brings in lots of push.
There was a hint of understeer in the first corner too And if late braking is going to be used, at least weight shifting must be dialed in more accurately Understeer is one of the worst things to happen, especially going downhill Very nice save though!!
He turns his wheel way too much and too quickly which makes the car understeer, would easily be fixable by being smoother. Just stop turning the wheel when you begin to understeer and correct it gradually.
Nice save! With a FWD application though, the trick is the mash the gas and point the tires in the direction you want to go, and assuming you have traction, the car will be pulled that direction and the rear will step back in place Edit : this video is 8 years old, think I'm a little late?
That is a key tactic for FWD in the dirt. I did a few seasons of SCCA rallycross and the first time I drove the car on an actual tarmac track event, it was remarkable how much of that developed weight transfer feel translated right over. It's very easy to saturate steering angle input and then screw yourself on weight transfer when you are suddenly quite a few degrees too turned in when your grip comes back. It's like a high side on a motorcycle except backwards. The trick is smooth weight transfer and to never steer too much more than your tires and weight distribution can support or else you have to very quickly unwind the extra steering angle and know exactly when to slow down steering input a lot to be able to then smoothly control the skid when the slip angles get back into the ballpark and regain effectiveness lest you overcorrect. The forward CG just makes that whole mechanism much more abrupt, but the advantage on FWD of being able to throttle out if you can keep your wits about you not only helps reduce rotation by pulling the front end back on track, but you can also use it to soften that grip transition in the front end as the tires want to dig in and flip you around, making corrective steering input behave a bit more linearly.
What are you talking about? Where do you see a 'nice save'? That was awful! Instead of hitting the throttle right the moment the rear axle began to slide, this dude started to counter-steer-something you must never do with a front wheel drive car, unless you want to kill yourself or/and rack the car. More than that, he counter-steered and discelerated simultaneously which really can be fatal. It's basic knowledge for driving a FWD car at all, when driving on track this knowledge becomes crucial. Maybe you're right and it IS a nice save, cause some angels got involved and saved this "I'm my mom's racer" dude. I would say the guy has balls to upload such an embarrassing video about himself.
Force entry + late braking + weight shift = oversteer Edit-❤️❤️❤️ thank everyone for liking this comment...I tried to explain this...and happy to learn from you all... Thanks again..
Exactly, doesnt really have anything to do with throttle on the rear wheels. That is just bad throttle control >:) This is a prime example of how actual oversteer is achieved
@bedazzled its front wheel drive? you cant throttle out to control the rear end as there is no power to the rear. he hit the brakes to late and too hard forcing weight transfer to the front and the rear lost traction and spun. what he did was a text book save
@@Anonymous-vp7zs it means pushing the car above it's limit...like forcing into corner way too much that the weight shifts from rear to front while breaking, causing less traction in rear and offcourse turning at the same time cause weight shift in left front and next you know
actually its my biggest fear in fwd. thats why now i try allways put a little bit of gas in corner. Oversteer, where passenger shit him self. Understeer where driver shit himself. :D
@@Robin-hi8oq i mean, i’m never completely sure the car is going to over or understeer lol it’s pretty much always unexpected. i’m just lucky i’ve almost crashed enough times to learn how to correct it well.
My fwd usually oversteers mid corners when I trailbrake I'm pretty used to it and correct it with steering and the gas pedal but today for some reason it snapped in the opposite direction but I managed to save it last second with the brakes from hiting the kerb, didn't know it was possible in a fwd
I think it's just chassis balance, more than drive wheels. When people hear FWD they automatically think "understeer" but that's mainly just relevant when you're on the gas. Plenty of RWD cars understeer
The key for correct oversteer in a FWD is in the gas pedal, if you use too many steering wheel to correct the car can throw you to the outside. And thats really scary
Same thing but I was too dumb and overreacted and the back went the other side even harder so I just braked hoping I would do a 180° and just stop in that position and that's what happened. Never doing something like that on public roads again. No traffic no cars just me and the road but If I messed up too much I would have destroyed some form of property
Ehhhh don’t know if I would call that “snap” oversteer. The car let you know what it was doing early before it fully broke away, and it happened gently. Regular corner entry oversteer. Can be fun when you know it’s coming
These slides are awesome if you know how to control them. Liftoff into the corner, let the rear slide out, and control it by giving throttle to straighten it out.
To those who'll read this. NEVER do that correction movement with the steering wheel on a FWD car! That counter-steer is only for the RWD cars. In a FWD car that counter-steer can cause a sudden whip-like second order oversteer or so called pendulum oversteer-that one you will never correct, it is twice the force, twice the angle and twice the speed than the initial one you were trying to correct. Remember, any front engine front wheel drive car has more weight on the front axle than on the rear axle. If you discelerate, let alone brake, you transfer even more weight to the front wheels taking that weight from your rear wheels. Thus you have even more grip on the front and even less grip on the rear. If you discelerate or brake make sure you do not turn! If a lift-off oversteer does happen in a FWD car, back off the steering wheel as much as you can (ideally straighten the front wheels) and hit the throttle into the floor. The front wheels will kill the swing-will de-load themselves and maybe will start spinning (thus you won't gain speed), will load the rear wheels helping them to grip.
This is a really important comment. I snap oversteered on a highway entry ramp and mistakenly corrected with a typical countersteer movement (more or less equal steering wheel movement in the opposite direction of turn) and the car SNAPPED ALL THE WAY to the other side. I then (at this point basically shitting myself) didn't know what else to do but to countersteer again the opposite direction (luckily I had the reaction time to do this, because that sudden snap in the opposite direction caught me off guard) Somehow, and maybe because the car had lost enough speed at this point, finally snapped back into place and I kept going straight without crashing. My life honestly flashed before my eyes.
learnt that today... Full code brown, I tried to correct the excessive oversteer in my civic, and well that happened... it was a bit worse than what happened in this video. glad I could recover a bit and go for full breaking to avoid crashing
Id rather say to not do it as much as you would in RWD, it depends on the situation, sometimes the throttle by itself just wont get you far enough and you need to also use the steering, overcorrection is just easier to do with FWD.
@@BigToro The thing you’re saying is all about dynamic weight distribution of a vehicle at speed when cornering. Thus, in order to save the FWD car from snap oversteer you must de-load the front axle and load the rear axle to precisely such an amount that will extinguish the lateral movement of the rear wheels. Depending on speed, corner radius your vehicle is doing in the moment, weight distribution in the moment, road conditions, weather conditions, tires conditions… the list and the extent of the actions required will vary. So, yes, it may seem you’re doing something reminding a RWD car save, but the logic behind your actions is TOTALLY different.
You fellas should try driving an EP91 Toyota Starlet, snap oversteer is an everyday occurrence on the daily commute to work. The trick is in how to manage it, point the fronts to where you want to go and stay in it. The second you panic and get off the go button to press the stop button is the same second you're facing the opposite direction.
Snap oversteer have sent me into the ditch 3 to 8 times every winter season for 8 years... Then I got a rear wheel drive car and never looked back, for 15 YERS now I have not ended up in the ditch even once, and I have never lost control even if I drift and go sideways and play every chance I get in the winter...
Full throttle usually works in games in this scenario to get it to pull "away" from the oversteer. Only tried it in simulators though. Don't know if it's applicable in real life!
Can speak from first hand experience that, yes. You can recover from oversteer in a fwd by applying some throttle, and at least trying to keep the front wheels pointed forward.
@@iraqifoodcart8447 I know, however, I just wanted to clarify that I don't have any real world experience since people seem to be very articulate when comparing real life to games.
Could add to it yes, although I think here it’s more of a typical nature for most fwd applications. Just a very nose heavy car and upset the balance enough to lose the back end. Alfa’s are notorious for this.
Today I crashed because I hit oil on the road mid corner. I slid beyond full opposite lock and then violently snapped the other direction, off the road, against a lightpost.. no way to counter that :(
This is kind of how I crashed my mini... hence y I watched this video. I intentionally went for some oversteer in the mini because the rear is so light, and as I was coming around, there was a car coming in the on coming, and when I saw it, I was partially in that lane, and tried to give the wheel more angle so I stay in my lane, but it snapped hard the other way, and went off the road :(
Looking at his right foot it looks like he did a lift off oversteer because he gives throttle inputs on turn in and then lifts it because he has understeer.
There's this corner that I practice drifting in my Accord near where I live and this video basically sorta confirmed to me that my FWD drifting theory works; Go into the corner, brake and throw the car into the corner hard, making it lose rear traction and start sliding, and then lightly (Very lightly!!!) modulate the throttle while countersteering to help pull the car around the corner. If you give it too much throttle while cornering you'll just pull the car forward and start understeering. Anyone else have a drifting theory/technique they've developed for FWD?
@@5C2WMedia Was an 05 avalon with the 3.5, get into the turn first and then open up, decently heavy car at 3900lbs so the front end would drag out and the back end slid out easy with the generous instant 280ftlbs at 2800rpm, wasnt anything special
perfect explanation man, that’s my theory everytime i do it in my fusion, but i don’t have enough torque for the rear to kick out like that after braking and mashing the throttle into the corner😂😂
Well done with recovering. I had an awfull snap overteer in my civic today... I pushed it a bit too hard and had a code brown. The car snapped and had to do 4 corrections followed by full braking, otherwise I would have hit a wall, that is scary AF
I think your line had a lot to do with it. Hugging the left side of the track when there was a kink on the entry for the next corner forced you into a quick direction change when the rear wheels were light under braking. Stiffer suspension would have probably prevented this, you can hear the rear tyres skipping when the nose pitches. Saved the Alfa though which is what matters
Looked more like an understeer. Since you were sliding out wards. Can't really tell but it looks like you don't have ABS and you turned the wheel under heavy braking. Front tires got overworked
No very poor reaction, he panicked for nothing, he could've juste applied some throttle with some wheel adjustment and keep on "drifting" with minimum speed loss.
Got into the same kind of situation with a field car on a dirt track going 80kmh, lifted off and the rear got out wide and then i floored it which prevented the car from going into the 1 meter ditch next to the road potentially making the car roll over killing me :D
clutching in and braking in a turn will cause the weight to be distributed to the front, making the car lose rear grip. easy fix is to accelerate in a lower gear out of the sideslip
Had such a moment on my passat b4, luckily, i saved it and learned how to correct it, also how i accidentally bought a shitty mk3 tdi, front heavy, bad rear tires, slightest touch of brakes, and there comes the back end and 180 into a ditch, at something like 20-30kmh, whipped the rear like nothing i ever seen or witnessed
Late braking on corner with disbalance weight common result. The driver was lucky the track was wide and had enough skills to correct it before spinning.
Dont lift next time, just correct it and plant the gas. counter intuitive I know, but will save you in a FWD without that tank slapper you got into.
thats gonna take getting past a mental block for me, when im sliding in the wrong direction towards a curb or another car my reaction isnt to hit the throttle lol
Yep, just need to think that hitting the grass pulls you straight
Edit: gas, not grass lol
He's right. Fwd oversteer just countersteer and floor the gas. Lifting/braking will cause what happened in the video.
@@Rory695 in a FWD you're better off using the throttle in this situation, even in RWD cars you're often using a little bit of throttle to neutralize the rear of the car as well as forcing it to bite in a little bit more.
FWD is much more seemingly violent going into a corner like this though, you want to lift and get you're braking done a bit earlier then normal and then get into the throttle to try and keep the car balanced before the weight balance of the car shifts again mid corner, it's a bit of black magic honestly, also way easier to learn IRL 'cause in a sim for whatever reason (at least in my opinion) you're needing to make up a lot of info with your eyes that you'd be feeling through G-force IRL.
you have to overcome much more than a mental hurdle to overcome, you're also relearning how to drive after how ever many years, front wheel drive racing is definitely a weird one to try and master, managing the load and heat that comes from having one set of tires doing both steering and acceleration is tricky af to manage, get into a few situations like this during a race and your tires will be ruined, adds a pretty exciting dynamic to viewing the race though, some people are bad fast but awful at managing their car and pace, interesting to think that FWD was at one time the pinnacle of motorsport tech!
imo it learning to race a FWD car is one of the most difficult things to do, nothing about it feels natural to learn.
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 Leaving the throttle cracked open just a hair through a turn helps eliminate understeer, as well. Being entirely off throttle can make the front end of some FFs become unruly and brings in lots of push.
There was a hint of understeer in the first corner too
And if late braking is going to be used, at least weight shifting must be dialed in more accurately
Understeer is one of the worst things to happen, especially going downhill
Very nice save though!!
Lol 8 years ago he would have been spun
Yeah, a shorter steering ratio would have made it even smoother
@@codyrap95 👍
F14T, understeer and oversteer at the same time
He turns his wheel way too much and too quickly which makes the car understeer, would easily be fixable by being smoother. Just stop turning the wheel when you begin to understeer and correct it gradually.
Nice save! With a FWD application though, the trick is the mash the gas and point the tires in the direction you want to go, and assuming you have traction, the car will be pulled that direction and the rear will step back in place
Edit : this video is 8 years old, think I'm a little late?
Never too late for knowledge
You're always on time if you think about it :)
That is a key tactic for FWD in the dirt. I did a few seasons of SCCA rallycross and the first time I drove the car on an actual tarmac track event, it was remarkable how much of that developed weight transfer feel translated right over. It's very easy to saturate steering angle input and then screw yourself on weight transfer when you are suddenly quite a few degrees too turned in when your grip comes back. It's like a high side on a motorcycle except backwards. The trick is smooth weight transfer and to never steer too much more than your tires and weight distribution can support or else you have to very quickly unwind the extra steering angle and know exactly when to slow down steering input a lot to be able to then smoothly control the skid when the slip angles get back into the ballpark and regain effectiveness lest you overcorrect. The forward CG just makes that whole mechanism much more abrupt, but the advantage on FWD of being able to throttle out if you can keep your wits about you not only helps reduce rotation by pulling the front end back on track, but you can also use it to soften that grip transition in the front end as the tires want to dig in and flip you around, making corrective steering input behave a bit more linearly.
lift off oversteer , aka fwd dorifto!
weight distributes to front axel at lift off, then weight is restored upon throttle when exit line is seen!!
What are you talking about? Where do you see a 'nice save'? That was awful!
Instead of hitting the throttle right the moment the rear axle began to slide, this dude started to counter-steer-something you must never do with a front wheel drive car, unless you want to kill yourself or/and rack the car. More than that, he counter-steered and discelerated simultaneously which really can be fatal.
It's basic knowledge for driving a FWD car at all, when driving on track this knowledge becomes crucial.
Maybe you're right and it IS a nice save, cause some angels got involved and saved this "I'm my mom's racer" dude.
I would say the guy has balls to upload such an embarrassing video about himself.
Force entry + late braking + weight shift = oversteer
Edit-❤️❤️❤️ thank everyone for liking this comment...I tried to explain this...and happy to learn from you all...
Thanks again..
Exactly, doesnt really have anything to do with throttle on the rear wheels. That is just bad throttle control >:) This is a prime example of how actual oversteer is achieved
What do you mean by forced entry ? I’m just curious btw
@bedazzled I don’t think you know what you are talking about, it’s a fwd drive car
@bedazzled its front wheel drive? you cant throttle out to control the rear end as there is no power to the rear. he hit the brakes to late and too hard forcing weight transfer to the front and the rear lost traction and spun. what he did was a text book save
@@Anonymous-vp7zs it means pushing the car above it's limit...like forcing into corner way too much that the weight shifts from rear to front while breaking, causing less traction in rear and offcourse turning at the same time cause weight shift in left front and next you know
actually its my biggest fear in fwd. thats why now i try allways put a little bit of gas in corner. Oversteer, where passenger shit him self. Understeer where driver shit himself. :D
You have to fear from understeer.Oversteer in fwd can easily be corrected with countersteer and gas pedal.
@@mehmetcamc9888 If you know what to do yes but it's still scary if unexpected
@@Robin-hi8oq i mean, i’m never completely sure the car is going to over or understeer lol it’s pretty much always unexpected.
i’m just lucky i’ve almost crashed enough times to learn how to correct it well.
@@mehmetcamc9888 If you have the space to do that otherwise you'll hit something.
It’s only sketchy in really short cars or if you have a mismatch in front to rear anti roll bar rates.
My fwd usually oversteers mid corners when I trailbrake I'm pretty used to it and correct it with steering and the gas pedal but today for some reason it snapped in the opposite direction but I managed to save it last second with the brakes from hiting the kerb, didn't know it was possible in a fwd
I think it's just chassis balance, more than drive wheels. When people hear FWD they automatically think "understeer" but that's mainly just relevant when you're on the gas. Plenty of RWD cars understeer
over correction maybe
If you just stabbed the gas to make it straighten out, and lifted right after that could have made it step out on the other side.
The key for correct oversteer in a FWD is in the gas pedal, if you use too many steering wheel to correct the car can throw you to the outside. And thats really scary
Same thing but I was too dumb and overreacted and the back went the other side even harder so I just braked hoping I would do a 180° and just stop in that position and that's what happened. Never doing something like that on public roads again. No traffic no cars just me and the road but If I messed up too much I would have destroyed some form of property
Ehhhh don’t know if I would call that “snap” oversteer. The car let you know what it was doing early before it fully broke away, and it happened gently.
Regular corner entry oversteer. Can be fun when you know it’s coming
When the race car gives you Lemons. Make Lemonade. :D
First intelligent comment i found.
These sim game graphics can’t get any better
These slides are awesome if you know how to control them. Liftoff into the corner, let the rear slide out, and control it by giving throttle to straighten it out.
That's drifting man
@@adragon Yeah, FWD drifting. :)
@@ritter_cracker yep, that's also a thing actually
I like doing this at moderate speeds on the road :)
Thats how the trio of Grand Tour drive
Man’s fought for his life w that steering wheel 😂😭
To those who'll read this. NEVER do that correction movement with the steering wheel on a FWD car! That counter-steer is only for the RWD cars. In a FWD car that counter-steer can cause a sudden whip-like second order oversteer or so called pendulum oversteer-that one you will never correct, it is twice the force, twice the angle and twice the speed than the initial one you were trying to correct. Remember, any front engine front wheel drive car has more weight on the front axle than on the rear axle. If you discelerate, let alone brake, you transfer even more weight to the front wheels taking that weight from your rear wheels. Thus you have even more grip on the front and even less grip on the rear. If you discelerate or brake make sure you do not turn!
If a lift-off oversteer does happen in a FWD car, back off the steering wheel as much as you can (ideally straighten the front wheels) and hit the throttle into the floor. The front wheels will kill the swing-will de-load themselves and maybe will start spinning (thus you won't gain speed), will load the rear wheels helping them to grip.
This is a really important comment. I snap oversteered on a highway entry ramp and mistakenly corrected with a typical countersteer movement (more or less equal steering wheel movement in the opposite direction of turn) and the car SNAPPED ALL THE WAY to the other side. I then (at this point basically shitting myself) didn't know what else to do but to countersteer again the opposite direction (luckily I had the reaction time to do this, because that sudden snap in the opposite direction caught me off guard) Somehow, and maybe because the car had lost enough speed at this point, finally snapped back into place and I kept going straight without crashing. My life honestly flashed before my eyes.
@@champion5545
Thanx :)
Training on ice, or at least on wet tarmac really helps build the necessary muscle memory.
learnt that today... Full code brown, I tried to correct the excessive oversteer in my civic, and well that happened... it was a bit worse than what happened in this video. glad I could recover a bit and go for full breaking to avoid crashing
Id rather say to not do it as much as you would in RWD, it depends on the situation, sometimes the throttle by itself just wont get you far enough and you need to also use the steering, overcorrection is just easier to do with FWD.
@@BigToro
The thing you’re saying is all about dynamic weight distribution of a vehicle at speed when cornering.
Thus, in order to save the FWD car from snap oversteer you must de-load the front axle and load the rear axle to precisely such an amount that will extinguish the lateral movement of the rear wheels.
Depending on speed, corner radius your vehicle is doing in the moment, weight distribution in the moment, road conditions, weather conditions, tires conditions… the list and the extent of the actions required will vary.
So, yes, it may seem you’re doing something reminding a RWD car save, but the logic behind your actions is TOTALLY different.
Nice counter steer
You might say snappy :) Nice catch fella :)
check out camber and combustion, they make a habit out of it
You fellas should try driving an EP91 Toyota Starlet, snap oversteer is an everyday occurrence on the daily commute to work. The trick is in how to manage it, point the fronts to where you want to go and stay in it. The second you panic and get off the go button to press the stop button is the same second you're facing the opposite direction.
Just want to point out, it’s only taken 8 years to be recommended this…
Snap oversteer have sent me into the ditch 3 to 8 times every winter season for 8 years... Then I got a rear wheel drive car and never looked back, for 15 YERS now I have not ended up in the ditch even once, and I have never lost control even if I drift and go sideways and play every chance I get in the winter...
just curious but how do you drive if you end up in a ditch that many times in single season?
Good recovery!
the algorithm has taken mw here. And the video doesn't even bave 3/4 of a million views yet
Full throttle usually works in games in this scenario to get it to pull "away" from the oversteer. Only tried it in simulators though. Don't know if it's applicable in real life!
In real life you don't always need full throttle, but pushing the gas pedal is very important to stop the oversteer in situations like this.
@@ToastyTaste532 okay! cool to know that the basic technique transfers to real life!
Can speak from first hand experience that, yes. You can recover from oversteer in a fwd by applying some throttle, and at least trying to keep the front wheels pointed forward.
@@halationmedia simulator racing games are called simulators for a reason.
@@iraqifoodcart8447 I know, however, I just wanted to clarify that I don't have any real world experience since people seem to be very articulate when comparing real life to games.
These video games look so real!
I see no snap oversteer here. Pretty normal for the car to behave like that with given inputs. Were the tires overheated/not in working temp/old?
Could add to it yes, although I think here it’s more of a typical nature for most fwd applications. Just a very nose heavy car and upset the balance enough to lose the back end. Alfa’s are notorious for this.
Late braking, good driving mate 👍
You can floor the gas when oversteering, it stops your car rotating.
Jesus how weak is the steering ratio
the hard part of driving fast is thinking fast (and being one thought ahead)
Was there a need to correct this so early, rather than let the rear swing around and slide through the corner?
The slowest 'snap oversteer' moment I've ever seen.
Nice save, can't blame this happening considering every other corner looked like extreme understeer
Today I crashed because I hit oil on the road mid corner. I slid beyond full opposite lock and then violently snapped the other direction, off the road, against a lightpost..
no way to counter that :(
koenigscat hard to save from oil... shit happens..
koenigscat this happened to me today a snapped it back yanked the e brake and did a perfect 180 in my lane and came to a stop
@@Thugwaffle36 hope you're ok!
This is kind of how I crashed my mini... hence y I watched this video. I intentionally went for some oversteer in the mini because the rear is so light, and as I was coming around, there was a car coming in the on coming, and when I saw it, I was partially in that lane, and tried to give the wheel more angle so I stay in my lane, but it snapped hard the other way, and went off the road :(
May be more gas addition?
Well held!
The guy behind you was like yea this was a race but not for lives.
If fwd it must Overstand What car ur using is?
it's the understering that cause this overstering, cause u have to put more stering and when ur front grip it's creating alot of overstering
Looking at his right foot it looks like he did a lift off oversteer because he gives throttle inputs on turn in and then lifts it because he has understeer.
Nice 924 and 944 in the front!
Looks like everyone is now getting recommend this video!
There's this corner that I practice drifting in my Accord near where I live and this video basically sorta confirmed to me that my FWD drifting theory works;
Go into the corner, brake and throw the car into the corner hard, making it lose rear traction and start sliding, and then lightly (Very lightly!!!) modulate the throttle while countersteering to help pull the car around the corner. If you give it too much throttle while cornering you'll just pull the car forward and start understeering. Anyone else have a drifting theory/technique they've developed for FWD?
2nd gear and WoT, adjust accordingly
@@WhosBucci Damnn what car? Do you initiate the drift at WOT or transfer momentum into it first
@@5C2WMedia Was an 05 avalon with the 3.5, get into the turn first and then open up, decently heavy car at 3900lbs so the front end would drag out and the back end slid out easy with the generous instant 280ftlbs at 2800rpm, wasnt anything special
@@WhosBucci Yeah I'm not sure my little 2.3 4cyl Accord has enough torque for that lol
perfect explanation man, that’s my theory everytime i do it in my fusion, but i don’t have enough torque for the rear to kick out like that after braking and mashing the throttle into the corner😂😂
That was a pretty good save too
not really.
yeah those snaps are fun
Well done with recovering.
I had an awfull snap overteer in my civic today... I pushed it a bit too hard and had a code brown. The car snapped and had to do 4 corrections followed by full braking, otherwise I would have hit a wall, that is scary AF
where was your throttle?
Is this the v6 or the twin spark gtv916? I have one of each and they both handle very differently with the difference in weight.
Beautiful save
You know he is a real driver if he tracks an alfa. Amazing cars just break a lot
Which Alfa is this?
Lift-off oversteer?
I think your line had a lot to do with it. Hugging the left side of the track when there was a kink on the entry for the next corner forced you into a quick direction change when the rear wheels were light under braking. Stiffer suspension would have probably prevented this, you can hear the rear tyres skipping when the nose pitches. Saved the Alfa though which is what matters
The driver wears protective gloves, so nothing can go wrong!
Looked more like an understeer. Since you were sliding out wards. Can't really tell but it looks like you don't have ABS and you turned the wheel under heavy braking. Front tires got overworked
Happens in my mini cooper s all the time jus need to know how to correct it an power out of it
Great handling once you loss traction though!
Aye go bump my music bro!
No very poor reaction, he panicked for nothing, he could've juste applied some throttle with some wheel adjustment and keep on "drifting" with minimum speed loss.
Thats not snap oversteer, thats called trail breaking. And if the fronts are screaming at you, dont turn the wheel even more...
loooooooooooooooooool rook. i'd have busted outta that corner screaming
ok
You did well to save her
asked for it. hard braking will make the rear end light and on top of that you steered to fast.
Got into the same kind of situation with a field car on a dirt track going 80kmh, lifted off and the rear got out wide and then i floored it which prevented the car from going into the 1 meter ditch next to the road potentially making the car roll over killing me :D
Glad everything's okay!
couldnt brake fast enough all bcuz that split second lock on the tires? living on the edge xd
No1 rule In fwd car, foot on the throttle through corners 💪
It's like a four wheeled high-side
One of the upsides of FWD. way easier to save
My man really just counter steered fwd
I'd like to make an observation. You're not driving it like a FWD. However, it IS an Alfa so you could be forgiven.
Odd, Alfa's usually try to kill innocent pedestrians first, then the driver.
Not over steer dude, you don't even need to race FWD cars to understand these rudimentary physics.
my golf sends the back out very hard when entering a corner fast then adding touch of brakes
clutching in and braking in a turn will cause the weight to be distributed to the front, making the car lose rear grip. easy fix is to accelerate in a lower gear out of the sideslip
What alfa is that
Good reaction.
Good save !
That's a save and a half right there
nicely operated while sideways could have been worse i like breaking acceptionally late so i think rwd cars are more forgiving
Why is this in our recommendations?😂
Nice save 👌
just. nice.
Lots of understeer in that first corner…tires might have been spent
Saved it like a boss!!!
This was the least snappy oversteer ever.
People are commenting on here as if this video isn’t 8 years old 😅
i like it when people manage to don't crash their car.
😅 👏
Might be the jinyu tyres your using 😂
Happened to me because if hidroplaning... It wasnt fun to say the least, nearly crashed into oncoming traffic...
nice save mate
Wow what a save.
a GTV? :D i used to have one
So first you understeered, then you oversteered.
When in doubt throttle out
At first I was like that was clean, then it hit and I was like ahhhhh ok
huge gloves? Are your snowboarding?
Had such a moment on my passat b4, luckily, i saved it and learned how to correct it, also how i accidentally bought a shitty mk3 tdi, front heavy, bad rear tires, slightest touch of brakes, and there comes the back end and 180 into a ditch, at something like 20-30kmh, whipped the rear like nothing i ever seen or witnessed
He broke too hard and took the weight off the rear tires, needs better shocks or stiffer springs.
This happened to me on the exit of the autobahn :/ hit the barrier with about 10kmh tho
Everyone in the comments is an expert now 😂. You're allowed to make mistakes, thats how you get faster.
Bit late but fuck me people are so rude for nothing
Yeah, oversteer. Anyone else laugh out loud at this?
No?
Late braking on corner with disbalance weight common result. The driver was lucky the track was wide and had enough skills to correct it before spinning.
that 180deg steering for the chicane was probably the most painful driving bit i got to watch my whole life.
cool porsche 924 in front of you at the start
EY EY EY YOU FORGOT ROLLCAGE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
nice save, id have lost it ngl
Look at all these pro racecar drivers in the comment section giving the same advice for 5 years lmao
Damn great safe !!
like a boss
it's ok, if he crashes he has a protective racing suit in the footwell
lmao
That could be a nice drift