Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus: Battle of Kings
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- Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus is the ultimate megatheropod rivalry. After Tyrannosaurus rex fought Giganotosaurus in Jurassic World, science explains the true victor of a hypothetical fight in Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus: Battle of Kings. Tyrannosaurus rex size is an important factor, and this video about Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus includes a Tyrannosaurus rex size comparison as well as an in-depth analysis of each animal’s ecology, agility, intelligence, and experience in fighting other megatheropods. New science, including new mass estimations and biomechanical studies, reveal each competitor’s unique evolutionary abilities in this fight to the death: Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus. This is an educational scientific-reporting take on the Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus battle.
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STUDIES CITED
Coria, R. A.; Currie, P. J. (2002). "The braincase of Giganotosaurus carolinii (Dinosauria: Theropoda) from the Upper Cretaceous of Argentina". Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology. 22 (4): 802-811. doi:10.1671/0272-4634(2002)022[0802:TBOGCD]2.0.CO;2. S2CID 85678725.
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Ankylosaurus mass Arbour, V.M.; Mallon, J.C. (2017). "Unusual cranial and postcranial anatomy in the archetypal ankylosaur Ankylosaurus magniventris". FACETS. 2 (2): 764-794. doi:10.1139/facets-2017-0063.
Tyrannosaur interfacial biting. Brown, C., Currie, P., & Therrien, F. (2022). Intraspecific facial bite marks in tyrannosaurids provide insight into sexual maturity and evolution of bird-like intersexual display. Paleobiology, 48(1), 12-43. doi:10.1017/pab.2021.29
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Giganotosaurus: Gabriel Ugueto
Tyrannosaurus: Mark Witton
Human: Linda Salzman Sagan
South America Map: Simoes et al. 2017
North America Map: Dr. Ron Blakely
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I don't think the term *"BUILT DIFFERENT"* has ever described an animal more accurately than Tyrannosaurus Rex.
no it hasn't
@@nsgarci8047 Perfect example is a American Bull Dog and a Bull Terrier. American Bull Dog is just built better to kill. LOL!
Exactly
Allosaurus crying in a corner rn
*Allosaurus sipping his tea*
Okay buster...
I think it's amazing that back in 1905, Henry Osborn decided to name this newly discovered massive theropod the name "Tyrant Lizard King" (I mean he could have named it anything else such as Cope's "Manospondylus gigas"..what the hell is giant, porous vertebra?) and here we are, more than 100 years later the name still holds, it is indeed the "Tyrant Lizard King".
They described it as a king amongst beasts, or something along those lines. Even back then they knew this wasn’t like any other animal
It’s just the king
@@GODEYE270115yup, they knew a giga chad apex predator when they saw one. Sometimes you just instantly realize you've come across something special.
Yep. T-Rex still is the best name they came up with. Iconic.
@@DarthZiZiIt is the best name. Most people interested in biology only know the scientific name of a dozen animals and plants and the average human knows less but even a five year old knows Tyrannosaurus Rex.
The old saying, "You cut my flesh, but I break your bones" comes to mind.
Giga JW3: but i can break your neck. Lol.
@@yusufgulla And a Therizenosaurus claws go right through you like hot knives through butter. I think we have found the true best Theropod.
@@brettwood1351 yeah, therizino claw is deadly weapon. But 1 v 1 therizino still hard to beat Giga. You can see moment where therizino hand bitted.
@@yusufgullafunny thing is Giga still has enough bite force to do that despite having half the T-rexs bite force.
Whether it be a sniper or shotgun the bullets are still going through your head.
@@phlixcarbon Do you think that Tyrannosaurus Rex could cause more blood loss than a Giganotosaurus just because it could break bones??? It could bite through armor and limbs.....THINK THAT WOULDN'T CAUSE BLOOD LOSS???
T.Rex is just built structurally different, its skeleton is so much wider, more robust which houses far more bulkier muscles and that results in more immense strength. Even at same weight the Rex would come out on top due to being a more physically powerful animal. I see this being similar to jaguar vs leopard, the former being more powerfully built, far stronger bite force, bulkier and generally heavier.
The issue with that analogy (which seems surprisingly commonly used for some reason) is that _Tyrannosaurus_ is not generally heavier than _Giganotosaurus_ , rather the reverse is true. The larger of two _Giganotosaurus_ specimens already rivals the largest in 50 _T. rex_ specimens, quite clearly implying that it is the more likely of the two to be the larger taxon.
On the other hand, a jaguar isn’t simply a similar-sized but bulkier version of a leopard, it is a consistently larger, heavier animal. Pantanal Jaguars have an average body mass about equivalent to record-sized Leopards of the very largest populations.
And that size difference between the two heavily colours the perception of the analogy. Of course a jaguar is a much more powerful animal than a leopard, but that is primarily because it is much heavier, not because it is more robust in body shape. I wonder how this scenario would be generally perceived if the Jaguar and Leopard were the same weight, and only differed in proportions, or even if the Jaguar was slightly smaller (as is the case here). In fact, comparing a Jaguar to a lioness would more accurately reflect then proportional and size differences in this scenario. Indeed the Jaguar is more robust, but the lioness is a bit larger overall, including by mass (and muscle-mass).
Similarly, it would be interesting to observe if people were still as convinced of _T. rex_ being the far larger and more powerful animal if instead of only looking at the two largest specimens, they instead looked at average-sized or even small ones. Using Black Beauty or B-rex to represent the species would be just as valid as using Sue or Scotty. The latter two are far above average size, the former two below it.
@@Ornitholestes1the supposedly “larger” giga paratype could well be smaller in fact due to non linear scaling of theropod skull and dentary. By that rationale Mor 008 or bunch of T. rex fragments that are larger than sue’s corresponding bones should also be included, we would have way higher weight estimates beyond Scotty and Sue by then. Also specimens like Trix, holotype, Samson, King Kong, Mor 980 and Tristan are easily up there with the gigas. You act like we have enough samples to determine an average for T. rex which is far from the truth, we’re not even close to in fact. We just work with what we have and the fact is we have several T. rexes that are heavier, some by a lot than gigas. And even the gracile morph is bulkier and more robust than the giga.
@@jinchuriki26 Which _T. rex_ fragments are larger than Sue’s corresponding bones?
I do not know any.
The three specimens that get thrown around the most:
>MOR 008 (maxilla 72 cm, dentary 88 cm, smaller than Sue which has a 86 cm maxilla and 101 cm dentary). The skull is reportedly 1.5 m long, which would be about the same as Sue, but it’s likely reconstructed too long.
>UCMP 118742: A maxilla that is stubbornly claimed to be some sort of giant, but is definitely smaller than Sue in all measurements (see Larson 2008)
>UCMP 137538: A large pedal phalanx originally hyped as much larger than Sue based on a length measurement of 13 cm reported by Longrich et al., but this is based on a misunderstood measurement, 13 cm being the maximum length for the specimen, while the measurement for sue commonly compared to was not. See here:
theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/24582
Snively confirmed this in private communication so someone I know a while back: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/29848
So there can be no doubt that none of these specimens have bone measurements matching or exceeding Sue’s, meaning they are smaller using perfectly linear scaling, no assumptions like "this might be a specimen with a proportionately larger dentary/toe/maxilla" needed.
Any others that I missed?
If there were solid evidence for any isolated _T. rex_ material being clearly larger than Sue and Scotty, I would have no problem to accept it as such. However decades of reading people on the internet hype up specimens that are actually factually smaller (which in most cases a simple look at the measurements would have confirmed) to ridiculous sizes has made me a bit wary of such claims. But feel free to show me reliable data on any such specimens, if you have any.
As for _Giganotosaurus_ , such a thing as a "paratype" of _Giganotosaurus_ doesn’t exist. What you are referring to is MUCPv-95, the isolated dentary described by Calvo and Coria 1998. Matter of fact, I am not trusting the size of this specimen lightly, I’ve spent considerable time questioning and attempting to verify its size, including asking both the authors (though only one responded) about the measurement. And indeed the originally reported 8% size difference is very suspect, as nobody is able to explain how exactly this was measured. Hence why I am not using that, and instead relying on measurements that have been verified more recently. In the end of the day, I think the specimen is definitely at least 5 % larger than the same bone in the holotype based on a conservative, morphometric approach, see here: www.deviantart.com/theropod1/journal/What-about-MUCPv-95-954828967
However Dan Foulkes claims he has inside information including direct measurements of the material, and says it is 6.6% larger by tooth row length (counting the same number of alveoli in both specimens), so that’s both roughly consistent with my estimate, and likely the most reliable figure to use. If you have evidence that this is wrong, feel free to show it.
Obviously, simply ignoring 50% of the known _Giganotosaurus_ specimens (that just happen to be one single specimen, which just happens to be the larger one) introduces a lot of bias (more so than it would to ignore a few fragmentary _T. rex_ specimens when we have tens of substantial skeletons to work with, yet I’m not even ignoring them, just considering their actual sizes). If you would like to ignore the larger 50% of _Giganotosaurus_ specimens on account of them being too incomplete and unreliable (fair enough as an assumption on its own), then you should do the same for _T. rex_ , and ignore the larger half of all _T. rex_ specimens as well.
If we had only 2 _T. rex_ specimens, what do you think would be the largest one’s size?
Or, expressed differently to illustrate what I mean, if you think _T. rex_ is larger just because the largest specimens are (marginally) larger, then why is the smallest _Gigantosaurus_ far larger than the smallest adult _T. rex_ specimens, like B-rex, Black Beauty or Wyrex?
Just out of curiosity, how many specimens do you believe would be "needed" to calculate an average and how did you determine that number?
Moreover, why do you think they can be compared at all if you think the samples are insufficient to even calculate a mean?
If you are concerned about the sample being too small for a reliable average size (I do not think that it is, in my estimation I am getting fairly narrow confidence bands for mean femur length and circumference, within a couple of centimetres, suggesting that the sample is quite sufficient to give a reliable average size), then why doesn’t that apply to comparing any other sizes (such as the largest known specimens)? You are aware that to get a reliable average you don’t need anywhere near as large a sample as to get a reliable maximum size, right? The latter will inevitably increase as the sample size increases, whereas the mean stays the same.
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Calvo, J.O. and Coria, R. 1998. New specimen of Giganotosaurus carolinii (Coria & Salgado, 1995), supports it as the largest theropod ever found. Gaia 15: 117-122.
Larson, P.L. 2008. Variation and sexual dimorphism in Tyrannosaurus rex. Tyrannosaurus rex: The Tyrant King: 103-130.
Longrich, N.R., Horner, J.R., Erickson, G.M. and Currie, P.J. 2010. Cannibalism in Tyrannosaurus rex. PLoS One 5 (10): e13419.
@@Ornitholestes1 farily easy to take this topic down:
Look at both skeletons seen from above + width of the leg bones. T-Rex comes out on top of both
@@suricata1993 What do you mean by "both" skeletons? There are 30 + _T. rex_ skeletons. Which one do you want me to look at?
Off topic but I love that you used Herschel-Hoffmeyer's art in this video. His paleoart shows that just a dinosaur can be accurate, doesn't mean it can't be horrifying. More terrifying than any movie depiction.
I don't know about other predator but a lip T-rex with facing forward eyes just give me a chills.
I guess we need to assume that all other factors are equal. If T. Rex has the high ground, for example, G has no chance.
trex wouldnt have needed the high ground. thats the point. it would have won with its hands tied behind its back. probably a bad choice of phrase for a trex, but you get my point lol
@@andy-the-gardener lmao
"It's over Giganakin! I have the high ground" --- Tyrannobi-wan-kenobi
Giga is like a Black Bear and T-Rex is like a Grizzly Bear. Even if the Black Bear is the same size or a little bigger it will still lose big time and with them foreword facing eyes of T-Rex it don't need twice the turning speed to win. It's going to be a one bite fight. Giga would never make it in North America at that time but if so in very small numbers.
@@neganrex5693T.Rex is bigger than Giga, T. rex is slightly heavier and taller. Giga is only longer, but it is thinner and slender, so Giga is lighter. T. rex is more massive.
It's funny how Jurassic World Dominion's T.Rex and Giga have a completely opposite build irl.
The Giga in JW seems heavier and more dense whereas the JP/JW T.Rex is fast and impulsive.
No not really
*rexy being the skinniest Rex at that point*:
Well,you have to realize how old rexy is,she was in her 30s which is old for a t-rex while the Gig was only about 2 to 3 years old in its prime,the gig did look heavier at that time when it fough rexy,but damn,if you pay close attention on the first movie when rexy was in her prime,she weighed so much more and probably was the most musclier at that time then any carnavor in the franchise
The JWD Giga and JP/JW rex are both nerfed compared to the actual animals.
The JWD Giga lacks the specialized sabretooth-esque (with many convergent adaptations) killing bite of the real Giganotosaurus, and the JW Rex is undersized and not as solidly built as the real thing.
@@bkjeong4302 *keep in mind the Jurassic saga rex was made after what we knew back in the early 90s*
And for the giga, id argue despite the “lack” of bite thing, its better built for combat
T. rex also had the huge advantage of binocular vision over Giga. It's wild how, in my lifetime, I've seen all these other huge megatheropods challenge T. rex, yet nothing else even comes close. It blows my mind that the more we study T. rex, we just learn more and more about how insanely adept it was as an apex predator. Leave it to Hell Creek's evolutionary arms race to produce some of the most metal dinosaurs of all time.
It's a real shame that we have so little evidence for a lot of other megatheropods. I doubt that there are any that could really match T. rex's overwhelmingly tanky and brutish power, but it'd be awesome to see how they were adapted to their own ecosystems. It's been really incredible to see just how much Spinosaurus has changed since I was a kid, here's to hoping we learn more about Giga as well! (and as a longshot maybe in the year 3000 we'll figure out what the fuck megaraptorans are)
I just wish the Rex wasn't such a toxic thing to like. People seemingly refuse to accept that, despite all its strength and power, it's still an animal, and a rather big brutish one at that. It's not like the only thing that can take down a Rex is another Rex, Triceratops had horns for a reason.
And don't get me started about people bullying Jack Horner for 20+ years about a "sub-adult" Rex (despite being in the same class as the adult specimens) being killed by, at this point in design, a *fictional creature* that just shares the name with our favorite sail backed crocodile on legs.
@@disposable_income_andyshut up🤫T. rex was the ultimate terrestrial predator.!
@@disposable_income_andy its a predator after all, not a battle tank, he would grow old, sick, or anything and be preyed by other sauropods, raptors, or dunno, even something we wouldn't know about, he surelly sometimes was wounded by ankilosaurus and triceratops, and became so gravely wounded that he would perish by infection or starvation, like lions and tigers today, nevertheless, is still impressive that he was so far, the most advanced sauropod, one can only imagine what would it be to witness one chasing after an human...
binocular vision doesn't help in a close up fight
I hope by the year 3000 time travel will be solved, so we will actually be able to see prehistory as it really was and solve these darn classification problems!
I’m very sad you didn’t also talk about the eyes of both carnivores! Papers and experiments showed that Carcharodontosarus (being an incredibly close relative to Giganotosaurus), basically had poor levels of binocular vision, while Tyrannosaurus had powerful forward facing eyes with an impressive level of binocular vision. So it makes that first strike all the more important as T-Rex would have a better probability of having a bite connect with its opponent.
T-Rex had the best vision and smell of any land animal.
That is exactly what I was thinking, on top of everything plus binocular vision..Giga never stood a chance.
@@datto240z Same here.
Wouldn’t it work both ways to where Giga would have a large field of view and be more likely to see an attack coming?
@@Deinowharf last I checked, maybe? Sorry the studies I looked at I’ll have to reference, but being able to view, would have them forced to offset their heads from the target (the Rex), in order to view them and I presume take stock of their situation. But the lack of good depth perception will severely hamper them in combat compared to a Rex.
Giganotosaurus & Tyrannosaurus Rex. 2 biggest & most powerful meat eating dinosaurs that ever walked the earth
I don't think so, the future is quite optimistic
That we know of so far
Charchadontosaurus: Am I a joke to you 😢
No u
Pretty bold statement considering how limited our information is.
As a hit-and-run sort of predator, Giganotosaurus isn't built for the sort of exchanges that T.rex likely excelled at. If a T.rex got a hold of a Giga, it's not going to let go until it either wants to or the Giga has suffered significant damage in forcing it to.
@tossupeater
That’s assuming the Tyrannosaurus gets to bite first.
Giganotosaurus doesn’t NEED to be built for physical exchanges.
“Hit and run” predators don’t actually hunt the way most people think they do. They don’t bite prey and then just wait and do nothing while the prey slowly dies; they either try to kill/disable the prey immediately with that bite, or (in cases where the prey is very large), bite and and again rather than just sit back and wait after the first bite. So Giganotosaurus was built to kill quickly; it wasn’t a slow, inefficient killer like most people assume based on false information. It’s just as capable of deciding the battle in a single strike.
I do agree that if Tyrannosaurus bites first it will get the decisive upper hand (being able to maintain its death grip and drag the more lightly built Giga around for as long as it wants), but this is assuming it can bite first, especially considering that Giganotosaurus’s neck was significantly more flexible.
@tossupeater
It’s not the length of the neck that matters, it’s how the neck vertebrae are joined together. Tyrannosaurus’s neck vertebrae articulate much more tightly and have a much smaller range of motion.
@tossupeater
I didn’t say Giga was more agile?
@@bkjeong4302😂😂😂😂😂😂
Comparison of Giganotosaurus carolinii and Tyrannosaurus rex using the most reliable specimens.
1 tonne = 1000 kilograms
"Big" means mass
Height is measured at the hip
Tyrannosaurus rex (FHMN PR 2081 - "Sue")
Length - 12.39 meters
Height (hip) - 3.8 meters
Total height - 4.32 metrs
Weight - 10 tonnes
(RSNM P2523.8 - "Scotty" is estimated between 10,400 to 11,000 kg. Tyrannosaurus' build is the only theropod type that can support that much weight.)
Giganotosaurus carolinii (Mucpv-Ch1- holotype)
Length- 12.57 meters
Height (hip) - 3.5 meters
Total height - 3.76 meters
Weight - 7.8 - 8.8 tonnes
(Paratype is estimated at 9.6 tonnes but the specimen is known from an incomplete dentary. A new estimate says 10.4 tonnes but is largly unreliable due to it being from an incomplete dentary.)
Tyrannosaurus rex is the biggest theropod and by extension the biggest fully terrestrial carnivore ever to walk the Earth.
Tyrannosaurus rex was also the smartest out of all large theropods, as smart as a baboon, or even a chimpanzee:
www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencefocus.com/nature/inside-the-mind-of-a-dinosaur-2/amp/
While having impeccable eyesight better than a hawk and incredible smell, Tyrannosaurus had the strongest bite of any fully terrestrial animal ever, 6 tonnes. The bulk and amount of muscle of T. rex gives it strength and the large ilia gives Tyrannosaurus agility over G. carolinii.
T. rex wins this one.
@@mowabbtotally wrong T. rex easy wins
@@mowabb Tyrannosaurus' bite would also obviously make prey bleed alot. Did you think the teeth of Tyrannosaurus just bounce of prey, they would slice through it aswell. And the bottom of the comment explains other stats.
@@rodrigopinto6676 ME TENES ARTO !!!! Encima te crees inteligente por siempre decir que el rex gana cuando es algo complejo, ni siquiera pones argumentos actualizados, sos un fracasad!!!!!
i completely agree, Dan Folks seems to have a major bias in Giganotosaurus sizing, 10.4 tons based off of very fragmentary remains is quite frankly unconvincing, even with this unproven hypothetical tyrannosaurus rex still wins.
@@66Traveler99 i disagree. Tyrannosaurs are known to fight one another and have fossil evidence of biting one another, with a more devastating bite than giganotosaurus and have shown signs of complete recovery. Your point is invalid especially when you consider that a 9 ton tyrannosaurus was more agile than a 7 tons giganotosaurus so tyrannosauurs has the hypothetical advantage in getting off the first bite.
Binocular vision is another thing T rex has. It would be better at timing and landing those massive, instant game over power bites.
Sorry not sorry to ruin this to you, but Giganotosaurus also have binocular vision
@@roguetheoutlander8800no it fcking didn't.They've already research the skulls.Non of the charcharodontosurids had good binolcular vision.
@@myatthu7165you do know it's a myth that carcharodontosaurids and allosauroids more broadly lacked binocular vision. Sure it wasnt on the level of t rex, but all one needs to do is look at their skull to see they clearly had binocular vision.
@@Why79-dx4rf
You know what's better than just "looking at their skull"? Actually testing them via scanning the inner structure using adavced scanners and applying modified perimetry to them to actually simulate vision.
Yeah,they already did that in 2006,and what they found out was not only they have a relatively poor binocular visions,akin to those of crocs(who are not exactly known for their excellent eyesights)But they also have a particular Blindspot RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR SNOUTS,which makes sciencetists to suggest that they often have to held their head downward around 40 degrees to actually see clearly.
Yeah having to hold their head down to see gonna be such a good advantage against the guy who will be clearly going for neck bites lmao.
@@myatthu7165sure, if carcharodontosaurids didnt had binocular vision, how did they survived? How did they hunt? How they were top predators almost everywhere? You just cant handle that your favorite Tyrannosaurus wasnt that unique
The fact that T.rex fought eachother regularly tells me it would win most of the time.
T.Rex is just absurdly overpowered, it's the Broly of the Dinosaur world.
The hulk of the theropod dinosaurs
Eh more like goku of the dinosaur world
Actually pretty hard too see if they were as strong as they numbers say they are. Due too the lack of competition the only thing they have going for them is that they lived with some scary herbivores, but like any meateaters they would go for the quickest most effecient food source so weak members. The succes a carnivore has while competing with other carnivores really tells you how strong they actuallly are.
@@Doingmything0 I would argue that fighting against a triceratops is harder than fighting against any theropod that's 1-2 thousand kgs lighter than you. giga and t-rex were among the biggest theropods ever, and giga definitely did not compete against other theropods that were even close to their size. On top of that, there is plenty of evidence that suggests that T-rexes fought against each other, so they were clearly equipped with the skills to take down their competition, and were also capable of taking down two different kinds of herbivores that had amongst the best defences of any animal in animal history. this shows how versatile t-rex really was when it came to fighting.
T-Rex was so overpowered it took an entire asteroid for it to get extinct
The whole issue of this fight is that animals like rex are designed to kill big things NOW, while animals like giga are designed to kill big things *soon.*
This is essentially pitting an alligator against an equally sized komodo dragon. One is designed to crush your bones and skull, and one is desined to rip your blood out of your body somewhat slowly with venom and open wounds.
An actual fight to the death may end in both of them dead *eventually,* but one of will definitely win the fight first.
Since Dominion came out Giganotosaurus has been gaining a lot more traction as being the largest known terrestrial carnivore, but I want to emphasize that this is based on fragmentary material which has a wide margin of error. Dan Folkes himself even stated this. There are also other experts that have different mass estimates using the same method of GDI, which has yielded different results ranging from 6.6 to 8.2 tonnes. The main takeaway here is that while Giganotosaurus was an enormous animal, it at the very least rivals Tyrannosaurus in size and may potentially be bigger, but that’s not absolute at this time.
After the first two the Jurassic franchise deteriorated into some of the worst films of all time.
From 3 onwards they just shit all over rex's reputation and the dinosaurs got more and more rubbery, dull and turned into totally unrealistic mindless roaring monsters.
Disgusting after the original which for the time was a classic.
It’s insane how much influence those films have, plus it adds the name Giganotosaurus just sounds plain badass
@@Protest467
Source please.
@@Protest467just STOP with the goddamn 10.5 tonne giga, no estimate puts it at such sizes, and stop acting like Dan Folkes is the messiah of accurate estimates, there are more reliable actual paleontologists such as Scott Hartman.
@@Protest467 Still copy-pasting across videos like anyone cares. Just stop and go find a real hobby.
Rex was completely built for fighting. It’s hips was also designed for it to have extremely tight turning capability. Regardless if the giga got close enough to deal any damage the Rex has a ridiculous bite and awesome vision so it would definitely be able to deal a destructive blow to the giga. And strength wise it wouldn’t be able to over power the Rex.
And I much agree with your opinion
True
I had no idea that the Tyrannosaurus Rex was that agile. I assumed it likely would have a tougher build but that the Giga would own the speed category.
Linear speed often doesn’t translate into lateral agility
@@Ivan-sm4dq And based on bone structure and muscle attachment points Rex wins in speed too. Rex has a huge caudofemoralis, Giga had a small one even by carcharadontid standards
T. rex easily wins
Considering what monsters t rex preys on. It make sense that they need to surpass any other megatheropods in any ways
@@dolsopolar exactly
It becomes fairly obvious who’d win when you look at how these animals lived, and the adaptations they had. Tyrannosaurus is the king of Dinosaurs for a reason, it was larger, smarter, and had a more powerful bite. But at the end of the day the two wouldn’t fight in the first place. Because they’re extinct.
And they didn’t live at the same time
I imagine this being like a striker vs a grappler. The striker had to move fast to get hits in...but once the grappler actually grabs the striker...bye.
I wish they portrayed that in Dominion, but instead made the Giga the heavyweight that the rex couldn’t even get near without getting taken to the ground.
Llora 😂😂😂
Dinosaur enthusiast that just got his BJJ purple belt here. You hit the nail on the head.
So exciting! Rex for the win!!!! 🦖🦖🦖
Yoooo that's my wife
@@TheVividen this is so cute
Your wife is smash
No I couldnt understand why the prologue to JW Dominion shows the Giganotosaurus effortlessly killing a T-rex 65million years ago (after jumping in a time warp from patagonia about 30 million years before presumably).
Also they weren’t around at the same time so they wouldn’t fight 65 million years ago anyway
Another factor you forgot to mention is binocular vision. Carcharodontosaurids don’t have as acute binocular vision compared to tyrannnosaurs. That is combat applicable because judging the distance between your target is crucial on landing the first hit.
Yes but yo mama 😮
The T-Rex skull thickness makes for an interesting curveball in the whole 'Trike would stab Rexy' debate. If T-Rex had a skull comparable to Trike (able to withstand 50kN), then it might have just put its head forward in battle the same as trikes did when jousting. So now Rexy can joust head-first, bob and weave like a Trike and its ball-joint neck and deliver a killer bite while shrugging off horn strikes (50kN bites and horn strikes to the face being compared here).
Basically everything the prey could do, the predator could do and then some. Might have been evolutionary since a strong face is what Trike brought.
Part when rex meets trike it not battle it but to eat it
So first rex reflex would be to bite
whoever wins, there better be a scene where the winner gets chased off by some quetzalcoatlus.
An adult Tyrannosaur wouldn’t be intimidated by the fragile Quetza. One bite and it’s over
Great video, I do agree with the outcome of the fight. I guess the issue is that when it comes to t-rex most people just assume it’s the best cause of its size. Which is why anytime another large predator is discovered it immediately gets touted as t-rex rival. But it seems that size and power is just the beginning of the story as to why r-rex is the king. When everything is taken into account it just blows other carnivores out the water.
What are your thoughts on the theory that Acrocanthosaurus back hump was packed with muscle like a bison or bear rather than just thin spines for display? If so could this make it the most powerful of the carcharodontids even more so then giga? Maybe a topic for a future video? Unless you’ve already talked about this.
Now you’ve got to admit Tyrannosaurus Rex wasn’t called king of the dinosaurs for nothing.😂🎉
King of theropods*
King of theropods*trike anky big hadrosaurs and sauropods kill it*
@@pierre-samuelroux9364 I could ask why lions are called king of the beast and a lot of animals like Buffalo and Elephants kill them as well.
@@MathisBrothers2275 yes true
My boi spiny better
“The whole family was itching for violence I guess lol” is an excellent quote
This channel is a very informative and just makes my love for paleontology grow. You earned yourself one extra sub! Also, congratulations on 16k!
Nope
With our current fossils I'm betting on T.rex. My prediction for this fight is 70% of the time T.rex wins and survives, 10% T.rex wins and dies, 5% Giga wins and dies, and 15% Giga wins and survives.
The reason the survival percentages are so high is because I really think the first bite will decide this a majority of the time.
I just finished watching through the video and I definitely agree.
@@AgroAcro not to mention blood clotting would help if both did get hurt
@@Max_attack1234blood clotting helps with scratches, not deep wounds made by a 10 ton animal designed to bleed out sauropods.
@@Why79-dx4rf ok then but T.rex still wins, plus, the clotting will help a little (just not completely)
Excellent video! Your arguments are evidence based and solid. The humor was fun too!
Every study I knew of that applied here you ended up mentioning. Well done. One study that looked at maximum speed ranges for all animals on earth based on mass (Gunther 2021?) and I was able to take the formula applied and studied several extant animals, focusing on bipeds, to determine physiological markers that improve running speed. The Tyrannosaur had a longer total leg, larger caudofemoralis (ref YDAW Giganotosaurus that Giga had a reduced 4th trocanter ((?)) even relative to other charcaradontids), shorter and stockier femur (when viewing the fastest biped ever, the Ostrich, the femur is very short and thick as long femurs increase rotational inertia and cannot be retracted during movement the way lower leg and footbones can), and importantly an arctometatarsalian foot (only seen in tyrannosaurids from Suskytyrannus onwards, troodontids, and ornithomimisaurs). Even with a heavier skull to slow it down, when I looked at Giga and Rex at the 8.4t range I came up with ~12.3mph for Giga and ~14.7mph for Rex IIRC, I can edit this comment later once I verify (Edit-12.4 for 8.4t Giga, 14.5 for 8.4t Rex, 11.9 and 13.6 if both scaled to 10.4t) . Due to the difference in builds, a 10.4 Giga would be incredibly long, but would lack much of the motive power to keep up with a 10.4ton Rex.
T. rex easily wins
It’s interesting, the more we learn about T. Rex, the more it makes me think of Orcas. I think it’s that combination of power, agility, and intelligence that strikes me as so similar not any specific physical traits though they do have similarly adapted jaws designed for crushing bones with very powerful bites and their teeth are remarkably similar in structure.
Paleontologist James Napoli said that Tyrannosaurus could kill an adult Giganotosaurus with two or three bites, and would totally incapacitate it due to the enormous difference in brute strength and endurance, a bite to the leg or vertebrae would incapacitate Giganotosaurus completely, I don't see how a Giganotosaurus resist this, Giganotosaurus is very powerful, but I don't see any paleontologist agreeing that Giga would beat T. rex, Tyrannosauurs is a non-standard carnivore, it is too powerful for any animal of similar size or slightly larger.
Paleontologist James Napoli died almost 10 years ago. Way way before 10.5 tons Giganotosaurus is discovered in 2023
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@@spinosaurusaegyptiacus49 Giganotosaurus is not 10,500 kg, stop being a fanboy, Dan Folkes himself corrected it and put it at 9021 kg.
@@user-ij8jo3kq2s What's the fun?
@@spinosaurusaegyptiacus49 Wtf mn, James Napoli never dies, he is alive and working.
Even size being equal, the king is just built different
You should have mentioned how the fusion of the bones of the metatarsals in the feet was the answer to the extra agility
Exactly
And T-rex had binocular vision aswell !🦖
Top 20 strongest carnivorous dinosaurs ( 2024)
1. Tyrannosaurus
2. Giganotosaurus
3. Mcraeencis rex
4. Saurophaganax
5. Mapusaurus
6. Carcharodontosaurus
7. Tyrannotitan
8. Sauroniops
9. Acrocanthosaurus
10. Zhuchengtyrannus
11. Meraxes Gigas
12. Tarbosaurus
13. Torvosaurus
14. Prodeinodon
15. Veterupristisaurus
16. Deinocheirus
17. Suciasaurus rex
18. Spinosaurus
19. Chilantaisaurus
20. Siats meekororum
jack horner is like a 20-side dice
sometimes he makes an insane discovery that changes everything
sometimes stupid stuff
sometimes he preys on girls
This is like a Doberman vs a Pitbull
tyrannosaurus rex will take this. sizes were about the same, t rex has a stronger bite force, was likely more intelligent due to evidence suggesting possible pack hunting behavior in t rex, and while giga's sharp, serrated teeth can kill very fast from bleeding damage, the t rex's bite force would likely bring down the giga much quicker and quickly incapacitate by breaking bones. just about the only thing giga beats the t rex at is speed, but neither is thought to be very fast. even giga's longer arms wouldn't help much against the overwelming power of t rex. t rex wins 70% of the time, although likely dies after from bleeding or infection. most often both predators would likely die in battle.
I appreciate your analysis! Let's see what happens...
@@TheVividen thanks! and do note i'm going to do a full analysis of any other fights you decide to host.
@@jerryworshiper1587 Sounds like a plan to me!
Absolutley agree with you but I do believe that the fight would simply go to whoever gets the first bite in because although not as powerfull a gigas bite is very well capable of severely if not fatally injurying a trex, whilsts the trexs more powerful bite will kill with one well placed hit
@@remdr231 because of that t rex usually wins due to higher turning speed
perhaps the point of gig not fighting other theropods as musch as t-rex could be explained that we don't have nearly as many giga specimens as we do t-rex specimens, so we could find giga fossils with damage from other gigas, and the point about t-rex's skull having ramming capability, while plausible but the gig also could have rammed, as many paleontologists believe that the pronounced chin of the giganotosaur was to absorb large impacts, so a giga's bite could have possibly acted as a ram as well as shearing flash off a prey. I still sppreciate you putting all the work into the video!
Makes sense that T-Rex being light on their feet having to out maneuver armored tanks that could have killed them with one misstep
Considering the sheer number of tyrannosaurs discovered compared to its competitors says something about how successful the animal was.
says more about the enviorment honestly fossilization needs very specific factors
that not how it works fella
No, people in argentina are very lazy, the person who found the giga didnt even worked as a paleontologist, it was just a hobby. So imagine if people worked Hard. There still a lot of bones left to be discovered in argentina. I know all of this because im from the Town this dinosaur was discovered
@@swian9440They’ve found more Allosaurus fossils compared to Saurophaganax that lived in the same place at the same time. Scientists believe this indicates that the allosaurus were more common and more successful than the Saurophaganax
Interesting matchup!
Let’s see what each contestant has over the other…
Tyrannosaurus Rex:
Strength: Both animals were similarly sized but the T. Rex was much chonkier compared to the slimmer Giga, on top of that the Rex was slightly bigger.
Intelligence: There is a lot of evidence to support that the T. Rex was an extremely intelligent and tactical animal, not that the Giga is dumb but the Rex gets the edge here.
Bite: The T. Rex had the strongest bite out of any terrestrial animal ever! Whilst the Giga had serrated teeth that allowed it to inflict a lot of damage and blood loss, but the Rex will probably be able to inflict much more damage much quicker.
Giganatosaurus:
Speed: The Giga is much slimmer which allowed it to be much quicker and nimbler.
Other factors:
The Giga had longer arms and a longer skull which possibly gives it an advantage. The T. Rex had good forward facing eyes with binocular vision, whilst the Giga had eyes on each side of its skull giving it the disadvantage. Each animal were extremely agile, the T.Rex could spin and turn with ease, whilst the Giga was much quicker.
Each animals also had vastly different “biting styles” The T. Rex had a bone crushing bite allowing it to inflict a lots of damage, whilst the Giga had serrated teeth that could slice off chunks of meat, causing lots of blood loss.
Each animal also possibly had different fighting styles as well.
So who’s gonna win?
In my opinion I think that the T. Rex would win most of the time as it was simply too big, too strong, and had a too devastating bite.
But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see!
(I deleted my original comment by accident so I had too rewrite this entire thing 💀👍)
How do you know the Rex is more inteligent then giga becouse at the end of the Day they are both big teropods so their inteligente should be very similar
Hard to say if Giga was quicker...apparently its prey were sauropods, so they might not have needed speed.
T.Rex had leg and foot anatomy indicating running speed, so it is presumed that at least the juveniles were fast runners.
You make a good point regarding teeth and bite style. My assumption would be that, like certain boxing matches, Giga would score a lot of points early, cutting up T. Rex , and be "ahead" until eventually T. Rex lands that bone-crushing bite...at which point it would be all over but the screaming.
There's no reason to assume Rex would bite, let go, and dart back like in the movies. With that bite, and the skull and teeth being reinforced to withstand great stress, a "bite and hold on until the kill is secured" strategy makes sense.
In the annoying Jurrassic Park fight, Rex gets ahold of Giga's snout at one point and then...lets go, and Giga isn't even bleeding. Dammit, they weren't exhibiting courting behavior! Rex should have been depicted as holding on until Giga's skull collapsed.
@@user-sm6su4nx5k because people study these animals all their lives
@@sailboat908It probably was a bit quicker. It had a more slender build which is better for running. It definitely wasn't a ton faster, I had someone tell me it was four times faster which is just rediculous.
Your completely wrong lad
T-Rex really out here saying "This is the ideal therapod body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like."
And still, Tyrannosaurus type predator was only 1 and only in North America while carcharodontosaurids were top predators almost all over the Earth for long 50+ million years
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@@roguetheoutlander8800yeah, probably because a 6 mile asteroid kinda cut T.rex's reign short.
@@roguetheoutlander8800What do you mean, it's not like they could have avoided a mass extinction event that killed 75% of all the life on earth, your point makes no sense
@@roby973 tyrannosaurids had 30 million years after carcharodontosaurids and neovenatorids went extinct and still, only 1 Tyrannosaurus type predator evolved while carcharodontosaurids were giant top predators basically from start of Cretaceous (only 20 million years took them to achieve that (maybe less))
And still, since there were billions of Tyrannosaurus, they still were only in North America and not even in whole, that doesnt sound like peak performance
Loved the video. Just as feedback, I'd suggest putting more time on audio mixing. Always make sure that the voice track is louder and clearer than the music track.
Here’s how I see it.
Trex=Bruiser build
Giganotosaurus=Assassin build.
Let’s remember that giga did live with argentinosaurus sized Dinosaursus, we just haven’t been able to name them yet because they are so fragmentary.
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@@Tyrannosaurus_rex.Alamosaurus lived only in New Mexico, 95 or more % of Tyrannosaurus never met with Alamosaurus while Giganotosaurus met this sauropods like Andesaurus almost everyday
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Dinosaursus?😂
@@pierre-samuelroux9364 my English decided to die in this comment lol
TRex is keeping pretty much anything it bites down on. It may bleed out after the fight, but Giganotosaurus won't be around to enjoy seeing that.
No matter what, the Tyrant Lizard King retains his crown.
If they both battled, both would die, blood loss, infection, bone fractures, etc, would succumb both to death
giga would be the first to die
@@sgji0gdu90sgsgstay mad kid.😂😂😂
T. rex easily wins
@@Protest467 At what?
If one of them can manage to wield a light saber…
It's over, Giganakin! I have the high ground!
@@TheVividengiganakin:It what we'll see Tyragrievous
Dinosaur battle of the ages
Dang straight!
Great breakdown of all the evidence, loved the video, great conclusion.
T rex is the definition of "I'm built different"
Definition: the true power of Mother Nature.!
@@rodrigopinto6676I mean it made the T-Rex and it made humans, and orcas so yeah.
Well I haven't looked at paleontology in a while but I have a feeling Tyrannosaurus wins
You pretty much said it best, it all depends on that 1st bite, if the Ginanotosaurus grabs the neck and is able to hold on, my bets are on him
But if Tyrannosaurus gets a grab, then it's a win for him
The odds of a giga blitzing a rex past it’s sense of smell and eye sight is low as is, but the new muscle fiber studies show that Tyrannosaurus Rexes could spin around faster than therapods like Utahraptor which weighed in around 2,000lbs.
An 18,000lbs predator sitting still only to spin around like a beyblade as your bite aimed at its head laughably misses and puts you under its car compactor jaws is a new irrational fear of mine now.
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one user on r/dinosaur said, ' I honestly believe with how overpowered t rex was, God decided that he just had to blow up the whole planet just to stop him '. Honestly, I belive him
Best Rex vs Giga video breakdown I've seen, ty
Nobody can prove whether the jaw fragmant specimen just had a proportionally large head, or a proportionally small head. This is why I don't think we should use fragmentary specimens, ever.
I will say that those 10.4 for giga was a very very speculative estimate just like the ridiculously speculative 15 ton Tyrannosaurus rex, The 10.4 was a downsize to Scotty from 10.6 with no real reason or science for it. So really giga so far with less speculation and a more reasonable estimate for giga is more around 9 tons where rex does exceed 10
Overall amazing video with incredible editing
@@Orinocos85 I guess yea, But the 10.4 is still highly speculative and shouldn’t really be used as the official biggest giganotosaurus weight as that still drifts around 9ish tons
@@Orinocos85 Precisely
No it's not kid
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spino gonna get destroyed by both😂😂
@@sgji0gdu90sgsg You sure? 😏
@@Nyxelis_yweq yes,do some research
Already proven by multiple sources... The "water advantage" as well is starting to diminish.
@@sgji0gdu90sgsg I know Therapodes more than you. I could discuss it, but im very lazy rn, so I'll just pass this time.
I actually have worked with the triceratops named shady! At the moment dr.schmidt the dude who found her thinks she may be the biggest trike so far. Estimating 10-11 tons
T.rex was a brute, a rex slamming into a Giga would have more than likely crippled it.
Not actually but it is more stroger and have 55% chanche
It would've gone the same way if giga had done the same thing
@@mr.trololo3071unlikely, giga is far to gracile to cause the same damage. T rex skeletal structure, the cross section is genuinely far too robust compared to any other similar sized theropod. It's like comparing a leopard to a jaguar. I feel like that is a good analogy, both are roughly similar sized, but the jaguar weighs more and is just built much more robust and stocky, enough to easily overpower and brute-force it's way against a leopard.
@@xoruk7451Rottweiller or Saint Bernard(tyrannosaurus) vs galgo or greyhound(giganotosaurus)
I always preferred the Nile Croc to gharial comparison.
😔 Please dont disregard my boi Giga chad
It's not a battle...
It's a slaughter
Good job!
Your right, t rex would get slaughtered.
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@tossupeateryes, giganotosaurus beats tyrannosaurus.
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@tossupeater more like 65%
OFC the T Rex wins, at this point, with all we know about it would take more than mass to break it down... It had a much more deadly bite, way better vision wich i can stress enough how imoortant it is in a fight, bigger smarter brains, better mobility, and it was better st tackling, if the ramming part comes as true then that's it.
About the Gigas size... I'm not on ship with the fragmentary specimen been 10.4t. It just doesn't match, we know a T Rex the same lenght of the Gigas holotype was much bulkier; the difference in length between Scotty and the second Giga is about 20 centimiters, so for the Giga to be as big as Scotty, who already had 10+ t weight aproximations, it should be almost as bulky as Scotty, and we know this more certainly was not the case, unless it was a remarkable thick specimen. Of course, i'm no paleontologist and i know jack about reconstructions, but that's my feel about it
1: the problem with using intelligence as w point here, is its impossible to quantify that difference.
2: the agility claims from the 2019 study are a bit suspect given they underestimated giganotosaurus leg musculature, the entire thing the study revolves around.
3: high estimates for scotty are a bit under 13 meters and conservative estimates for the giganotosaurus paratype are 13.2, so on the low end its 30 centimeters, and ot could go up to over a meter if we go with more liberal estimates for the paratype and more conservative estimates for scotty.
@@Why79-dx4rf 1. But que still know from living animaos the Big difference a Big brain makes way more often than not.
2. No they are not, but opinions i guess.
3. No, 13.2 is not a conservative estimate, they usted to think It was but with further analysis 13.2 Came as rather accurate; same with Scotty, 12.8/13 MTS though been fair and still the gap the Giga would have to match is too Big, for a Giga been Scotty size it'd had to be about a meter longer and be very bulky... And this is not taking in account, ifnwe Talk about fragmentary specimens we have way more evidence of bigger T Rexes, we Talk more about Scotty cause is more than 50% discovered, but we know about potentially bigger
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1: brain size is not a direct correlation with intelligence, so trying to make conclusions based on that is not exactly reliable.
2: there are indeed severe problems with the model. Importantly for giganotosaurus, they use data from a 2002 study to reconstruct the legs which is already pretty absurd given it puts the max for giganotosaurus at 4 tons, which is an absurd outlier compared to every other estimate, but what this means for the agility study in particular is they are modeling an almost 7 ton giganotosaurus with the leg musculature of a 4 ton animal, and basically saying "wow look at how poor this animal is at turning"
3: estimates have ranged from 13.2 to 13.5, so since 13.2 is on the lower end if that range, I would call it a conservative estimate.
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I love to think about the ending cretaceous as a massive war between carcharodontosaurids and tyrannosaurids over the world. With carchas in south and Tyrannosaurids at north. In the end carcharodontosaurids lost and at the remnants of their powerful land abelisaurids came and thrived.
An excellent post.
Rex is the only underpowered animal in Hollywood history.
The real animal made the fictional one look like a prime Sonny Liston or George Foreman v Shirley Temple. 😂
@@philsymeshadrosaurs and sauropods are underrestimated too
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Damn right mate! 👍💯
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T.Rex is bulkier, more compactly built and heavier. Plus, T.Rex is taller than Giga.
All Hail the Tyrant King 👍
Funnily enough, the best thing a giga to do to win against a T. Rex in a one-on-one fight would be the Luigi method of doing absolutely nothing since the T. Rex would die of old age long before the Giga would...and then it would have a big carcass to scavenge from. Don't quote me on this, but I did hear that Giganotosaurus had a longer lifespan than Tyrannosaurus due to growing up much slower.
@tossupeater My only actual source is the 'your dinosaurs are wrong' video on giganotosaurus, which showed that big characarodontosaurs like giganotosaurus didn't have T. Rex's very weird 'from teenager to adult overnight' growth that large tyrannosaurs had and instead gradually went from juvenile to adult over a longer period of time.
@tossupeatermeraxes is still our best guess on how long giganotosaurus lived given its the closest relative to giganotosaurus with a detailed osteology.
I watch these videos to read the arguments in the comments section
Yep. 😁
Tyrannosaurus is a UNIT!!!!!
People really underestimate how muhc intelligence plays a role in these fights and complex problem solving skills. If you put an ape with the intelligence of an ape agianst another ape with the intelligence of a snake the smarter ape will eventually figure out ways to strike and outsmart its opponent and recognise paterns in the enemy's attacks. Giga has a significantly smaller brain and even if it has similarly dense and evolved neurons it would be quite a bit less intelligent. Thats with equally efficient neurons which is unlikely given it is significantly older and behind in evolution even if it is from a different family, animals that evolved in less time often are inferior to those that had more time to evolve and intelligence is something always chosen by evolution ( well maybe 95% of the time), it is always useful. So t rex could be anywhere from 20% to 2 times more intelligent which definetely would allow it, if it indeed had primate like intelligence, to accurately comprehend the strengths and weaknesses of a slimmer build and figure out ways to attack utilising his own strengths, it likely would use terrain features, intimidation and so on to its advantage and figure out the way the giga attacks.
The difference between them in intelligence is impossible to accurately determine since we have no idea about so many factors that could go into intelligence.
@@Why79-dx4rf we cannot be sure yeah, I'm just saying that if the estimates are true and t Rex is significantly smarter then it will be a way bigger advantage than most people realise. Intelligence is a great weapon.
4:38 At a similar body weight I highly doubt that Giga would be faster. Because (above a ton or so) body weight is the primary limiting factor of speed, they would be fairly equal (Dececchi, 2020). But T. rex had much bigger hip and leg muscle attachment areas (Snively, 2019) and very well-developed m. caudofemoralis longus attachements [to my knowledge these are quite underdeveloped in carcharodontosaurids, though i cant cite a reference off the top of my head, so take this with a pinch of salt], longer legs (especially distal leg elements) and a running adapted metatarsus inherited from its cursorial ancestors. So at a similar weigh T. rex might have had a slight edge regarding top speed (though again, not by much at that weight).
That is what i was refering to as " a running adapted metatarsus"@tossupeater
@@martontoth2063t rex easy wins
Jurassic World needs an apology asap. I know the rex in the movie universe is old but damn it they should’ve utilize a different and younger t.rex to showcase it’s power. People tried so hard to discredit the king.
Hollywood had an agenda after The Lost World mainly due to Horner.
It's pathetic.
You used Scotty, but E.D. cope was more massive, or Bertha which was even bigger.
Turning capability depends not only on leg strength but especially on the flexibility of the hip joynts: the hip joynts of adult T. Rexes were studied in depth by Prof. Horner's wife (can't remember her name) a some few years ago, and what came out was that this animal, by the structure of hip joynts, was restricted to keeping its thighs close to its body, meaning, it had a pretty big turning radius and, by no means could have made something like sidestep to keep its balance if something abruptly would have pushed it from the side.
That is horrifying
@tossupeater I dont think he does anymore, because he only hated on Trex for very stupid reasons which I’ve heard many say hes gotten past and returned back to logic
this makes a lot of sense too considering tyrannosaurus rex had to avoid simple yet life threatening attacks from triceratops, ankylosaurus, and giant hadrosaurs.
So we can generally assume Giga and Rex had limited turning capability. Then Giga’s superior speed would definitely play a bigger role. If it landed the first shot on the Rex’s side, added to its slightly longer snout granting it longer range. I can see the battle going in giga’s favor.
It’s Hack and slash vs brute force, but these animals are so big that it really can be decided by one blow
the Duckbill Dinosaur mentioned here will defeat Tyrannosaurus Rex 70% of the time. It was a good deal bigger than the biggest T.Rex and knew how to defend itself. Its pictured a lot being beaten by meat eating theropods but the reverse is true.
One thing I will give to Giga is that it is such an aesthetically pleasing and cool looking animal. Not that Rex isn't a cool looking animal in its own right it is just but Giga just looks a whole lot more interesting comparatively although I understand that this is pretty subjective.
Yes, I think the same thing, t rex looks more like what an animal would be and giga is more like a monster like the indominus rex, for the role of hero the rex and villain giga is better, and I can't stop thinking that the appearance of the spinosaurus also looks like a monster but a clumsy one to the point that it could be an anti-hero but never a pure villain like carcharodontosaurids or allosaurids
I love Charcharodontosaurs. They're some of my favorite animals. There just isn't much else that can go toe to toe with a Tyrannosaur besides another Tyrannosaur.
@@Yoshoggutha It is a pity that they became extinct 90 million years ago, they had a long way to go until the meteorite evolved, on the other hand, I have no doubt that their genocide gave rise to creatures that were more surprising in size, I give you a clue... in 2016, Bolivia, a footprint of a carnivore of 1.15-20 m in diameter was found, to give you an idea of what this discovery means; the largest theropod footprint in the world was previously found in New Mexico and most likely belonged to an adult Tyrannosaurus... 1.15 meters vs 96-100 cm, we have another giganotosaurus and those to come because South America is a diamond in the rough of carnivores, two of the three largest are from that part of the continent and counting the monster that left this mark are 4/3 and those who will come, those who will come, keep that last magical sentence
Giga looks scary whilst T rex looks menacing
He got the chad chin.
Tyrannosaurs and especially T-Rex are so much more robustly built than other theropods, it's like comparing a lion to a grizzly bear.
Doesn't mean it's bigger than Giganotosaurus
@@Killerg238 and tigers may be bigger than lions but put them in a cage together and it's clear who's king of the jungle. Giganotosaurus and all other Carcharodontosauridae had jaws built for cutting while Tyrannosaurs had jaws built for crushing and Tyrannosaurus Rex specifically could bite with over twice the force of a Giga. It wouldn't be a close fight, one bite by Rex and whatever bitten is broken.
@@seanzibonanzi64t rex doesnt have any armor, and as such it is very susceptible to bleeding, especially from wounds inflicted by an animal that evolved to bleed out several dozen ton sauropods.
@@Why79-dx4rf bleed is a good strategy vs. Larger and slower sauropods but 2 comparably matched theropods? Strategies like that take time and space to work
@@seanzibonanzi64 that's a misconception that animals that kill from bleeding spend most of their time just sitting around waiting. Instead they are active predators constantly ripping and tearing flesh off their prey. As for t rex, like I said, it had no armor, just flesh, and that is exactly what giganotosaurus evolved to cut through. Sure, it might not be instant, but an animal with its throat cut isnt going to be in any condition to fight before it dies.
I was clueless so I really appreciate the breakdown. I say Sir,.."Well done brother!"" Thanks for your insight and knowledge wrapped in entertainment!
T. rex easily wins
This fight can basically be summed up to a light weight VS a heavy weight boxer. Yeah, a light weight boxer can compete pretty well against other light weight boxers but put into the ring with a heavy weight and the light weight goes down in a matter of seconds.
If Giga tried to bite Rex's skull, it likely would've broken its teeth, as Giga's teeth were flattened, knife-shaped and designed to bite through flesh and cause blood loss. Meanwhile Rex's skull was hardened and adapted to resist even super strong bites from other Rexes, and its teeth were adapted to bite through bone.
So to get the killing blow, Giga has to get past Rex's skull and bite it's neck, while Rex just has to land a bite to Giga's much thinner skull. Rex's win condition would be much easier to pull off, especially given its advantages.
Giganotosaurus had a much more mobile head and neck that would make an attempted bite on its skull from t rex, quite unlikely to hit.
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@@Why79-dx4rfthe T. rex destroy it.! Easy
@@rodrigopinto6676how old are you? I ask because whenever a study is given that proves you wrong, you stick your head in the sand, and pretend it doesnt exist, meaning you are either trolling, or 5 years old.
I assume that Giga size will be updated pretty soon because it doesn't really make sense to me that something the same size as trex with a more gracile build weighs the exact same amount... but the result of the battle was as everyone expected regardless
It’s not the same size. It’s taller and longer.
@@da_phishT-Rex was a little taller but a shorter more robust tail.
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8:14 To give Giga some credit, more agility usually equals to a bad gas tank. UFC fighter GSP actually capitalized this weakness from BJ Penn who was very explosive at the time.
The former's constant used of feints/fakes exhausted Penn overtime.
This is the same case with Lions vs Tigers in which Tigers usually moves more swiftly than the Lion. But the latter catches up and still continue pursuing after the Tiger gets tired.
So, assuming that Gigas are smart enough to constantly put T-Rex on high alert, he might have a chance.
@@mstr293but the Rex was smarter, and it's lung steucture was meant to endure chasing and fighting better than any other megatheropod, no chance for Giga
@@antoniocenteno1483there is no evidence t rex had a more efficient respiratory system.
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@@rodrigopinto6676says the guy whose only form of arguement is spamming emojis and just repeating lies without backing his claim up in any way.
Buried somewhere in utube comments - I said many months ago,
despite what certain blockbuster movies say - the T. Rex would defeat
Gigano or Spino, he's just build much better for 'battle'.
On intelligence..
Yes, the t-rex brain is thought to be very neuron dense. But there is another difference between it and the brains of other dinosaurs, especially dinosaurs which existed earlier in the geologic record. And the difference is between the structure. Many dinosaurs, especially the earlier dinosaurs, had brains that were mush more "lizard like" while later dinosaurs like t-rex and the dromaeosaurs had brains that were essentially the same structure as birds. And this structural difference is credited as being the largest contributing factor towards intelligence. That is not to say that lizard brains can't be intelligent, as anybody with a pet monitor lizard can attest, but birds are on a whole different level of intelligence. And I am pretty sure giganotosaurus had the lizard like brain rather than the bird like brain.
Thanks for the video. It's pretty much case closed at this point for most hypothetical encounters. There actually existed at one time on earth living, breathing, walking *monsters* in every sense of that word, and _T. rex_ was one of them.
yep!
No, animals
All hail the king
T. rex will destroys Giganotosaurus, he's just too strong
Exactly
Here is an issue:
Dan Folkes is admittedly a fan of Giganotosaurus, it’s his favourite. He himself did a sketch/reconstruction where you can clearly see from above that the Giganotosaurus can’t compare to tyrannosaurus in girth. And for the matter, also not in height! However, because of some dentary that is quite incomplete, he figured out that he could scale that specimen 6.6% bigger, hence getting to a Giganotosaurus with 13m and 10.4tons. However and funny enough, that same model that’s probably very overestimated, is still not as wide than the tyrannosaurus… now, allow me to use a T rex example also:
Mor 005 is the biggest skull of T rex ever found! And it’s complete, not just a dentary! About 2cm longer than sue skull (143cm vs 141cm). However, sue is actually bigger (length and weight) than mor 008. Another good example:
All bones from Scotty are bigger than sue (Weider too)! However, once again, sue is actually slightly longer than Scotty but not as heavy!
All of this to show that with way more complete evidences, we would still be wrong by scaling theropods if comparing just single parts of their skeletons. Sounds very doubtful that 1 fragmentary dentary would give anyone the certainty that this specimen was indeed 6.6% bigger. Also, the top view clearly shows that T rex is more massive wider and taller by the hip that Giganotosaurus.
But then again, I understand him too - after all he is vocal about his preference for Giganotosaurus so it’s only natural that he would very much believe it to be true.
@tossupeaterscotty is not though. Even discounting dan folkes estimates, the giganotosaurus paratype was put at 13.2 meters in 2019 and 2021, whole scotty is under 13 meters.
@tossupeater do the math. At 12.4 meters in length(a pretty low estimate for the giganotosaurus holotype) then 6.5% bigger then that, is 13.2 meters, so no they were not working with an 8% increase. Also, what evidence am I denying?
@tossupeaterwhat is 13.12? If you mean scotty us 13.12 a: I'm going to need a source for that and b: giganotosaurus was still longer.
@tossupeaterthe only person who I've seen put it at around 12.25 meters is franoys, who isnt exactly the best source given how some of his other statements about giganotosaurus are wrong, like him claiming the skull length at 1.53 meters when its actual skull is actually 1.634 meters. So already, without even going tlinto the rest of his reconstruction he is 0.1 meters short of reality. As for coria, the man who described giganotosaurus, he put it at 12.5 meters, not 12.25 and a weight of 6 to 8 tons. He would later directly contradict himself in 2002 by giving a max weight for giganotosaurus and only 4.2 tons, an estimate so far removed from every other estimation to make it absurd, and to make me question his reliability about anything he would say going forward if he producing absurd outliers like this. All this is to say, a 12.25 meter long giganotosaurus holotype is a severe underestimation.
@tossupeateranswer me then. Tell me which study, if any put the giganotosaurus holotype at 12.25, and tell me which study, if any, put scotty at 13.12.
I don’t understand the stupid debate about why the Tyrannosaurus is the best. it lived 68-66 million years ago, while Giganotosaurus lived 102-97 million years ago. Purely logically, the tyrannosaurus is one of the last megatherapods, and the longer life developed, the better. The Tyrannosaurus is the last perfect model of its time, it’s like comparing cars of the 19th and 21st centuries. And regarding the Spinasaurus, people have been given a crap about its size, and they simply cannot admit that it was an ordinary aquatic animal, and not a rival to the T-Rex.
Hmm, interesting analysis overall, though I would contest a few assumptions made.
First, regarding speed, Tyrannosaurs are well known for their athleticism and cursorial adaptations, including a favourable upper to lower leg ratio, and the presence of the Arctometatarsal (present only in Tyrannosaurs and Ornithomimids if I'm not mistaken). Additionally, the way speed is estimated for giant dinosaurs has always bugged me, namely with the fixation on whether or not they could "run". Running here refers to the presence of a point mid stride when both feet are off the ground, not necessarily 'fast movement'. Look at modern elephants, which are not even remotely cursorial, and cannot run, yet are capable of reaching speeds in excess of 15 mph. A relatively short, 6 m stride, paired with a reasonable 1.5 stride per second stride rate, would already provide a 20 mph speed, without requiring a true run. So in short, I feel the speed estimates provided are likely too low over all, and additionally, with its many cursorial adaptations, T. rex would likely have the edge on speed.
Second, the mass estimates which present T. rex and Giga at roughly equal body weight have always seemed off to me. T. rex' skeleton is substantially broader than that of the Giga, and most of its bones are also substantially thicker. As a result, it seems supremely unlikely to me at least that such a similarity in mass would exist (I'm not a palaeontologist, so this is of course my - I like to think relatively informed- opinion, but I would definitely like to know the detail of Folkes' methods, as it feels he is being too lenient with the build of the Giga). Also, given the difference in mass between the average T. rex and Scotty, the difference between the holotype Giga and the estimated giant used for the 10.4 tonne estimate feels a tad extreme, and as others have pointed out, the difference in jaw size could simply be a difference in proportions.
Also, whilst I don't doubt Folkes' accuracy, I would point out that the recent Giga mass estimates done by him, have added about 1.5 tonnes to the body mass of Giga specifically. Again, I don't doubt that he is correct, I would just be interested to know the logic behind such a substantial increase in bulk.
I'm with you on this. The study seems... a bit Giga centered. I'm all for finding a preditor that might be heavier than Rex, but Giga doesn't seem to be that preditor to me.
If you like straight down at their skeletons they're similar in length and height (with giga being slightly larger in both categories) but the Rex is DRASTICALLY thicker and broader
Which supports it being not just heavier, but several tons heavier
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@@kailanerman5090have to calculate the length also. Dan Folkes Giganotosaurus is 13.5m & Rex is 12.3m. His Giga is like 120cm longer. So can be as same weight or heavier with the huge length benefits
@sauroniops_socket even a 120 centimeters longer, does not mean an additional 2 to 3 tons in weight. His measurements are based on extreme guesswork.
These guys were just built so wildly different. Giga was basically a suped up allosaur, while Trex was built wider and bulkier. If you look at the hip and leg bones alone, you can tell who was packing more muscle. Their bones show the difference from Eddie Haul and Michael Jordan basically
And I hate to be that guy, but just because a guy made a recent study doesn't equate to "more correct or scientifically accurate."" Paleontologists make incorrect estimates and bad guesswork all the time. Like the guy who that Carcaro was 16 tons or the guy who thought Trex was 3 separate species. We have to look at each theory and guess under a microscope because they might be wrong.
Based on the comments of this video alone, I think people are just inclined to believe this guy's work because it'll finally mean "proof" that Giga was bigger
Glad to see someone else calling out the speed calcs. David Hones lecture suggeste they'd be over 20mph and a long distance runner: ruclips.net/video/f-jD7kQvyPs/видео.htmlsi=QiNM73M4yQGK9cID
T.rex wins in this fight because it has many advantages such as it is larger, has a much stronger bite, smarter and superior senses while is giganotosaurus could make the Rex bleed to death but trex will kill the giga first giga might more faster but trex was more agile trex hunted tanks while giga hunted gaints . T-rex wins high to extreme difficulty
T. rex easily wins
@@rodrigopinto6676 yeah definitely in fact Excatly but still giganotosaurus is a formidable predators
The king lives on! All hail T-Rex!
as a spino fan,these two were clearly the two strongest theropod that we know of and also the most evolved ones
Rex: The Boxer/MMA Fighter
Giga: The Runner
Spino: The swimer or i don't even know anymore
My money would be on Rex in a contest. Robustness strength and the massive bite force Rex had alone would crush bones and flesh causing massive damage. Hollywood just like to put their own inaccurate spin on things.
One question: How are Giga and Rex the same weight? Let say Giga is 0.5 m longer than Rex, Rex is still significantly broader than Giga. Are there other factors that increase the weight of Giga?
Fanboyism
@@rodrigopinto6676Not fanboyism. Dan folkes estimated that Mucv-95 was 13.5m long and had a mass of 10.4 metric tons, though this estimate has a higher margin of error than his other estimates.
@@Riley.mk07 pure speculation from BLOG not “scientific paper”
@@rodrigopinto6676 You didn't even read the article. It was a scientific study.
@@Riley.mk07 pure speculation “size” from BLOG.!