There were many collectors who chose not to buy the trailer and at least they had the option. Fanstoys got the benefit of seeing that play out and now you buy the parts or do without the figure
Like I said b4, I'm good with my Zeta combiners. Was contemplating getting the Fanstoys for bot mode. At this point, probably not. Holding out hope Zeta comes back to do a defensor, menasor, computron, and abominus.
I'm perfectly happy with my Zeta Superion as well. As for Defensor, I'm actually going with MMC's take as that's pure G1 goodness and they're not too expensive.
@tydiriumhanger1320 I never cared for the Aerialbots as characters, so I wasn't interested in the figures upon release. It wasn't til later that I realized I needed an opposing combiner for Constructor in my diorama. So when I finally bought one it was $160 @ TF Source. It may have been a re-release.
I missed all of the FT combiner figures so far since I wasn't collecting when they first came out so i'm kinda screwed. I see some people in the comments complaining that they're even being reissued at all but for people like me who never had a shot at them it's nice. I don't care about their damn resale value of all their extra figures they bought to scalp people with. Comparing FT figures to collectible basketball cards is room temperature IQ levels of dumb. That said, I think I might have to pass on them. I think I could've been fine if the limbs were $150 each and Jester and Skeleton being $300 but this is a bridge too far. I think ShowZ's prices will end up a tiny bit under $200 for the limbs and ~$380 for Jester/Skeleton. That's still too damn much, though. I bought my entire Superitron for less than what Jester will be selling for. It's ridiculous.
Sadly I've noticed that, showz's pre order final prices for the bigger FT figures have started being the same as American E-tailers. My FT Recorder was one, and a couple of others. I don't see these being any cheaper there, unfortunately. It's simply greed on everyones' part, and they're using inflation as a blanket excuse.
Fact is that a lot of us are almost done with our Transformers Collection. These companies know which characters have been released and which ones are anticipated. Takara (Hasbro) know, which is why they will NEVER complete a full transformers roster. They'll reboot in a different scale to get people on the hamster wheel of buying. Fans Toys is cashing out. They want all they know they can get before collectors are content with their collection. I feel sorry for people just now getting into collecting. They are going to have to pay a King's Ransom to catch up and with less competition and options in the marketplace.
I just stared mp collecting about a year ago and over that time I've seen significant drops in prices on the secondary market. I'm sure they are still higher than retail was but thats always how things go when things are not in production.
I spoke on this many times, but from a different angle...ppl in the community who give FT a pass for everything & bash other companies for EVERYTHING are assisting FT with their price gouging...WE NEED A COMPETITIVE MARKET...I have more FT figures than any other companies figures in my collection but I am not going to buy FT only...we have to show that we will buy another company's product which will force FT to keep their products reasonable even if they're the most expensive, which is ok...all we have to do is let releases like this sit & watch the price drop... problem solved, thank me later...great video
We saw that with FT Omega Supreme they lowered their price by $100 when DX9 was revealed but there is not XTB Superion and if MMC did one it would not scale
I only have the Stunticons and use DX9 Kukinski as my Dead End. I'd rather have FT Bandit, but I never planned to combine they as I just don't have the room. If they force me to buy the trailer/combiner parts for $400 or more I'm sticking with my team as is. Just because I can afford, doesn't mean I can justify the cost they are asking. I'd be in at under $300. Chances are Jester and Bandit will sit at these prices and eventually go on sale, only then would I consider buying Bandit.
This makes me nervous for future releases, items that are usually a little over $100 will now be close to $200 or more? As far as this set goes I’ll stick with zeta they’re good enough
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Got my MP57 for 225 USD. Anyway, some of these guys quote MP44 as the culprit, but I think the Takara pricing really depends on figure complexity on a per-character basis. Indeed, Skyfire is not as complex so despite his size, he's reasonably priced. Also, glad my copy doesnt have QC issues so I'm not desperate for that MP57 KO.
These are all great points. It seems like FansToys is flaky with re-releases - I think Thomas was re-released at maybe lower than his original price, though that may have been because he went from a Limited to a mainstream release. But in this case, these aren't all re-releases... I just saw that DX9 Attila is selling as a set for $450 and I snatched one up. I so wish that DX9 was going to do more combiners, but they seem to be moving away from MP scale, for now at least, which is a major bummer. Also, I just noticed that TFSource has moved up the release dates for their Aerialbots to December 2023.
Personal I think it sounds like there's a bunch of things going on here.... Sounds like there was a lot of controversy couple years ago when a bunch of the designers left. So I think that there's some political drama going on within the company still regarding that. Thing too I think people kind of overlook because I don't think people are geo educated, is that China is on the verge of collapse. I don't see it on the news very much but people are leaving the country and droves if they can. It's almost like Ukraine refugee issue. My dad lives in Thailand, and the country right now is swarming with Chinese Nationals trying to seek asylum. A lot of the Chinese youth retired communism and the CCP, and basically a refusing to work. The 'let it rot' movement. Most people don't even know about the fact that China is been working on switching from a production footing to a war time production, and there aren't that many factories producing commercial goods for the last four to five years. That's influencing this as well just because of access to production. I've done a lot product design over the years, and one thing I can say is that it is far easier to design something than it is to actually get it out there and produced. That's probably the hardest thing. The physical manufacturer of it. Or more specifically, getting access to the machinery to get it made. How do you make something if you don't have the tools right? Those are I kind of find the the quality a little bit dodgy, that's the reason why I went with MMC's bruticus and defensor because of the fact I just like the built-in combine mode just because you don't have to worry about this kibble issue. Not only less likely to lose parts, it's all there. So apart from being broken. It's hard to kind of lose some of that stuff. The only thing I don't like about MMC as I've had some of their plastic snap on me. I don't play with my stuff that much. I might occasionally take it down off the shelf transform it, and put it back up, but it doesn't see heavy wear from me. But I'm a little bit afraid of how well they'll hold up 30 40 years down the road because of the lack of quality that I have seen in terms of the material. So it's kind of a catch-22 of which company you go with I don't mind bruticus or defensor being shorter than Superiorion because in the comic and cartoon show, Superion was taller than either combiner. Was physically a little bit weaker, but faster and taller. So the scaling from one company to the other works for me in that sense. I just find it to be politics myself.
Great insight into production. You will never hear what is really going on in todays ultra controlled media. The only thing that seems odd is that XTB and others can still produce their figures for similar pricing structures in the past maybe a bit higher but not twice.
To me there are 2 factors at play. 1 inflation 2 secondary market for FT People have been spending 2 or 3 times the cost of FT on the secondary market and they don't see anything from that now they're raise prices to get more of that profit they were leaving on the table.
People who have been in on this set since day 1 its only $620 they have to spend. That is a large departure but if they really want it the can put down $30 a pay check and get it. If they don't want to pay that they can easily sell them for a good profit and still be cheaper than the reissue of the figures they have. At least FT aren't only undercutting the reissue and marking up the new stuff.
If people don't like the price, maybe it could give us a return of more 3P companies. DX9 should be dusting off their Menasor molds in anticipation of a FT $400 stunticon piece. Heck other companies should be working on a superion. When there is something the mp community doesn't like the market will fill in.
True there are other options but FT collectors will pay to play or not play at all. FT also expects everyone who has been in it for a while to pay the price to finally complete this masterpiece
Their backpacks already made them kinda questionable to me so I already wasn't in for their bots modes. The huge amount of partsforming needed for Superion already had me question if I even needed a Superion made of separate bots. The Aerialbots themselves were already kinda uninteresting to me since 4 of them probably share a lot of the same transformation. The massive price jump was just the last straw to deter me from bothering with this set. I might pick up a Zeta Superion if I see one on sale. Or go for the super stylized one.
FT Superion add-on parts at usd 200 can be a discussion but this quite the same price for XTB Menasor add-on, etc.. The real talk is the figure price itself. That's definitely too high for such production. I pay my respect to XTB to sold separately the add-on to their Menasor...
I see your point but I do not completely agree given the materials, paint and attention to detail these figures have and the size of the limbs are almost the size of prime when in their robot modes with silverbolt being even larger. Not to mention these are essentially triple changers as well. I feel that getting them cheaper in the past was a bargain and that people should be greatful they got in on these at a great price when they first came out. If anything, sell them and make back more than what you paid. I am looking for a used iceman and maverick in top condition and willing to pay $175 and $225 respectively.
@@Deceptisaur sorry but no. The margin is high. Fanstoys quality can be produced at lower cost and retail could be usd 180 easily. There is a certain apetite here from both side : retailer/distributor and brand.
Yeah I love the FT for the most part, but I’m only buying what I think is exceptional at those prices. There’s so much product coming out in legends and otherwise, that you just can’t have it all or it’s going to be costing you a lot of money and space. I bought powerglide and ehhhhh, but jazz was money and so I just have to be patient and not jump on toys based on photos alone.
Well, Jester is currently sold out at BBTS and TCP for pre-orders. Some people will cancel, so people are willing to buy it. I'm guessing the FT Fort Max will be $3000 from China to USA. More from local US merchants. Glad I got Star toys Blitzwing. If FT Astrotrain is $200 to $240 now. I'm guessing FT Blitzwing will be closer to $300.
True collectors who have been waiting to complete the set will pay up since they are only getting gouged on 2 but many will get discouraged starting this set
I don't know if somebody else has already point this or not, but I saw a picture show that the combiner parts will convert into a stand for the jets modes (no sure if also for the robot modes). But at least there will be something to do with them other than just putting them aside while not in combined mode.
I just looked at fans toys grenadier on a UK online store and it was £230 say about $270 something like that and the other 2 where £100 less . These prices are insane
Honestly, FT will release a solo figure version without the combiner parts That’s a given. Me I’m all in as I want the option to display in combined mode, should the desire arise. They are the most solid stand alone versions of the arielbots. Zeta has a solid combined mode but the bots are……🗑️. Solid vid as always Mike 💪🏿
I was gonna pick up these reissues and expected a mark up but I was thinking like $150. But, whoa. At $200+ I might as well get a Zeta set for bot mode like I intended to use these as.
Wonder if Zeta will reissue their Superion at a slightly higher price point. Last reissue at Showz was $450. So maybe $500 to $550 might be reasonable.
I am going to point something as I have been keeping an eye for sometime on the Fanstoys Aerialbots and forgive the USD on the prices as I live in Australia, my last retail price for Maverick was $329USD with Iceman and Goose priced at $219USD (the pricing was when Viper and Jester went on their recent pre-order), in that Maverick is cheaper than what he was and I am guessing that price will be corrected to the $329USD for his Show.Z pre-order price is higher. I am going to say as a later collector these prices are "normal" for the current market and I hope they have at least have a estimated September 2024 release for you are dropping over $1000USD on the set and you don't want to be caught out on a limited release. I can understand retailers wanting to sell the products at the Ebay prices and I do think they are part of the problem with the inflation of prices, that said I don't know how much these products are wholesale. If we go by Fanstoys having issues with KOs, I would say Fanstoys are selling their products to retailers at a higher price.
I'm not happy about the price for Slingshot, but like Doc Scurlock said in Young Guns II..." Let's finish the game". And yes I have Zeta as my combined form
Stares at my Zeta Superion that I'd had for like 5 years now and laugh. Thank goodness I didn't go the Fanstoys Route. Then again I've been happy with and mainline figures since the War for Cybertron line that I haven't even really bought MP-scaled official or third party that often cause they're just too expensive and a space hog and I can't even really play with them cause they're more meant to be displayed. The main line looks good and still have an ok price and I can actually play with them.
I started doing the math a few years ago and when I estimated it would be over 1000$. I was out. I also was wondering how they would combine as well … I didn’t like the extra trailer. The stands are a better idea. But …. Nah Really happy with my Zeta Combiners and my DX9 Atilla. I don’t see any replacements for them in the near future.
I’m giving up on this set and selling Iceman and Goose. I’m keeping my $179 Maverick as Silverbolt is one of my favorite characters. That said the set is not worth the price. This helps me realize that my 20-years of MP collecting is coming to an end since I already have everything I ever dreamed of and more.
If you want them and can afford them, buy them. If not, sell some stuff. Work some OT. Or, there are other options for these characters. Not everybody can buy a Ferrari, and not everybody who can, chooses to. FT can charge whatever they want - demand is there, and people will pay. The end. Move along!
I don't collect MP, but if this sells out do you think that will prompt other companies to raise their prices too? Just say this actually happens, all MP get a $50 price increase, do you think that will trickle down to legends scale? MS are at current NA prices and NA increase to over $100.
I am collecting most of the FT range, but I passed on the combiners. I don't mind paying $80 or $90 for a limb-bot, but more than that.. it's just too much of an investment. But when they do the Combaticons or Technobots, I may change my mind. 😙
I've only ever bought a few FT bots because of the price premium. Definitely not the combiners. Their Stunticons are too big for scale with the ABs, and I think there is no excuse for them to still have so much kibble underneath their Aerialbots. This is just a stop on the Capitalism Train where I have to get off. And that's OK. I'm cool with XTB, MMC, MT, FH, TT KO, etc.
I’m ok with paying those prices to complete the set. That’s the only set I was planning on going with from the beginning. Don’t get me wrong zeta makes a great set, had their version of bruticus but sold it to go with the MMC version. As far as combine mode parts, there’s images from TFCON 2023 I believe that show the combine parts and that they make up a giant display stand for all five jets. Honestly I’m expecting the last limb for Fanstoys Menasor to be about the same although hopefully not.
I’m pretty sure that’s what it’s going to be. The images that were released at TFCON showed that there’s another trailer about the same length as roadkings trailer that has all the combine parts and will combine with roadking to form the base mode from the toy version.
Never have had a Fans Toys before unfortunately but I don’t plan on having one in the future. It’s become too expensive and perhaps it for people who don’t care about price. The figures look nice but there is not enough value there for me.
Man oh man do I miss DX9. More competition kept the prices at bay. This is pushing MP ppl to move to Legends but that are now getting expensive from New Age and Magic Square.
Honestly Mike, I dont mind the Prices that much. At list 220 one can find it for 180ish if they look hard enough. The issue I have is the Force Buy of Viper and the Combiner parts. If FT keeps this as the only option, I can see many walking away from FTs Combiners. I do believe that when things get closer to release date, FTs will make the right move and offer Viper a la carte.
Really hoping that Dead End serves as an indicator on this issue. I have no use for the combiner parts and would have to just try to sell them on the aftermarket if I did buy it.
1000k+ for an MP combiner..way outta my price range..only have a few MP combiners and got those for over half off.. sometimes just gotta wsit it out snd hope there is an over stock or box set.m
I have zeta and love him In combiner mode, have the three aerialbots already. Hoping they sell slingshot without the combiner parts as these figures are too good to bolt on as an arm or leg
Fans toy price was too high then and even higher now, NO THANK YOU!!! I am sticking with my Combiners War Superion and wait to see if Hasbro come out with a new version.
After Scourge I am out of Fans Toys btw Magic Square is making the best Prime for under 150. Not a combiners but MP combiners suck since the are prone to falling down. Fans Toys may hit it out the park but I am not impressed. I own many of their MPs but they kind of feel Over engineered for the price. I like the Xtrans more than the fanstoys cyclones. Galvatron is a pain to transform from FansToys. I have not transformed any of their figures since Galvatron. Wait their ShockWave is great. That stands out but it is a design that they sat on for multiple years.
True but everyone has to boycott the prices and that will not happen with FT because they have such a loyal base. FT also expects collectors will pay whatever to finish this set and also be grateful for getting their first figures for such a great price
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Don’t have FT yet and not gonna finish the set of MMC Maximus Pro and went with Generation Toys because took too long but I hear ya.
I honestly think its the retailer and not Fans Toys. I have noticed TFSource and Bigbadtoystore get worse and worse in the past year. As you said in the video, with inflation the price is bound to go up as well. I did the math and FT-57 is 57% more on TFsource than what I paid at ShowZ. This brings the arm bots down to $140. The original price on the arm bots was $120...so if that percentage holds we are only talking about a 16% increase through all of the inflation of 2021-2023. So lets all hope that ShowZ comes through for us.
This isn't always the case as this is more of a case by case basis with TFSource usually be the most expensive. BBTS is usually a lot closer in price than TFSource. For example, Fans Toys Astrotrain is $180 on ShowZstore and $200 on BBTS. The variant colors are $220 on ShowZstore and $240 on BBTS but, ShowZstore has lowered it to $180, probably because it's not selling as well. Then there's Cyclonus being $190 vs $220 and $275 and $320, toon version. As you can see from the toon look, that's strictly on Fans Toys as there's no way it should had gone from $190 to $275. As for the prices being higher in the US, that's the companies passing the savings onto the customers as they have to pay to get the products to the US and that costs money as most of these are coming from China or Vietnam. ShowZstore is a Chinese based company so they're going to pay less to get something shipped from China to them.
its like FT wants to sell the figures the same amount as the 2ndary market... will try to collect them cause I believe the combine mode will rock .. but y.. the price is a real issue...
Jeez, so 400$ each for the last 2 members and combiner parts. Lol, I think my Jet Commander was 110$ and I still love him with my MPs. All I can say is at that price I hope FT knocks the combined mode out of the stratosphere! I still say a 3P would mak a killing doing affordable MP scaled Action master Gestalts.
The fact that I just put the DX9 Menasaur on pre order for $399 will make finishing my FTs combiners a lot more difficult, and will price me out of the Fort Max, if they actually make it.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Right and your not alone. Probably what’s happening is that Fans Toys have already made tons and tons of money and now they realize it’s just a cash cow and treating like such. That being said I’m out
That was a punch to the gut for sure. I was getting the FT team to display in bot modes, not combined. Zeta Superion is amazing and good enough for that. But now I have to spend $400 on a figure with combiner parts that I'm never going to use? And then will come Bandit with the same insane price? Ouch! Did I say punch to the gut? More like a knife to the jugular. Yikes. Fortress Maximus... yeah... that ain't happening in my camp. I'll just display the head in bot mode. 😅
Im interested in the reissues, but $200 for a normal sized character is too much. I remember when jazz came out from FT thinking it was way to much for a character like that. I only want to pay that much for bigger figures. For near 1400 for the set is crazy. Theres no way the combiner will be that much better than the Zeta to warrant that price. And maybe the individual bots look better than the zeta and I would want to have them displayed as the bots as I currently have my FT stunticons, but FT has taken that option away if I dont want to waste the extra $200 on the combiner parts
I'm mad at myself. When the FT Superion was announced the zeta parts were dirt cheap from various sites. They were so cheap I thought they were legends class. I should have bought them. Would have been like 150 before shipping and tax.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I saw one for much cheaper than that, which was one of the reasons i was afraid to buy it. I thought maybe it didnt come with the combiner pieces or something.
$1400+ It's like FT took not a page but the book from Hasbro. Way too much money. I'm guessing FT is nothing shooting themselves in the foot but stabbing in the chest.
Got your pricing wrong. The aerialbots were $135 back in 2020. Stunticons $110-$115. Bots of the aerialbots size have been $200 plus for 2 years now. Not surprising when Newage charges $100 plus for 3 inch figures
Not for Goose but I will show that in the news. I figured I should have dug out my order and took a screenshot. Many collectors were not around for the first Goose release and do not know the good ole days
@@tydiriumhanger1320 man I’ve been around since Quakewave was fanstoys only release. Have every figure first runs. And I created the largest fanstoys group. Made it a safe place for fanboys and haters stay out.
So, it’s expensive. So do you think it would be so weird to think it could be so cheaper? So what’s your so called expectations with this so called price? So just a thought . So let me know if it’s so worth it.
Well, I have FT Stunticons & will NOT be forced to paying $400 for Deadend & combiner parts. I’ll wait till price goes down. Maybe I’m in the minority. Not sure. We will see.
FT will be there own demise. I see a future of less sales. I think we will see a resurgence of other 3rd party companies. Possibly 4th party too with far less price. FT is pricing themselves out of even being a investment.
I am actually vexed that FT pulled this maneuver. There are plenty of collectors like myself who got FT Aerialbots specifically to display in bot mode only. I already have Zeta for combined mode, but now I'm forced to shell out more cash just so I can complete the FT set. They should've made the combiner parts a separate option for those who want them. Very uncool move FT 😖
So... why is no one bitching about the MASSIVE increase in prices of all the Legends scale figs? NA and MS used to be in the $30-$50 mark... Now even a basic fig is $70-$90 and even over $100... For a friggn Legends scale fig. Anyone who had convinced themselves just two years ago that the FT final combiner with parts would be less than $400 was just lieing to them selves. FT have always said the final figs would come with the combiner parts and that it would be double the price of a main fig. Anyone not knowing that the cost of factory time and materials for any manufacturing, not just toys, has dramattically gone up, has just been burring their head in the sand. I'm not defending the drastic increases. But we ALL know that this is what has happened across the board with EVERY physical product from food to toys.
The First stunticons were $105 so double that would be in the $200 range but still even $299 would not have shocked everyone like this did. I read a message from FT that the final figure would cost the same as maverick so that would have been $180 at that time
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yeah... I get that. But it is not just FT or even just toys. Its everything. My grocery bill has doubled and I've been scaling back. My car insurance had gone up %50is and I have a clear record. My home insurance has gone up 300% and many insurers have just completly left the state. JUst buying a pair of pants has almost doubled. But I do ask the question again. Why are we... myself included... only complaining about FansToys, arguably the best of the best, and not other toy companies that have nearly doubled their prices? I think it is a valid question and not fair to single out just one company that, while some of their work is frusterating, is still considered to be top of the line. You still get what you pay for. It is also not fair to only be ysing old china pricing as a guage and not domestic pricing. Domestic pricing for the arial bots was $135 for the smaller figs and %185 for Maverik. Same with the stunticons. This is the price most people paid. Now that the days of cheap china pricing are pretty much over, we can't compair the same prices. you are not taking all factors into account... at least as far as I see it. I work in the toy industry. I see the direct dev costs. We are paying double or even tripple for supplies and labor and factory time. The days of basicaly slave labor in chinease factories are over. they now have a massive "middle class" and factory workers are demanding much more income. I digress... I don't like the modern pricing. It is a bit of a shock. But you make it seem like it is just out of the blue. There has been this build up for years now. We all know it. We all have been watching it in real time. There are actual real life reasons for it beyond the theroy of greedy businesses and developers...
I noticed that and I slowed down buying Newage to a standstill such as their Dinobots. They’re cool but not worth what their charging unless they were combined to Volcanicus then I’d be in. Actually I’m probably gonna get G-Creations version eventually…….
I applaud people who can afford to purchase and display FansToys figures. I cannot. I've bought Takara, KO Takara, XTransbots, Maketoys, MMC, Fans Hobby, KFC, and Generation Toy figures. I've been, generally, happy with most of my purchases. Maybe someday I'll buy a FansToys figure, but I'll remain content until then with what I've already bought.
The hilarious thing about this is these guys easily go for $200+, used in transformer groups. Silverbolt has hit $300+, used. Fans toys is just closing the gap. This is obviously a price point everyone is paying already so it's whatever to me. Let the company make their money or keep your zeta. I have a zeta but I'm ordering 2 full sets of ft. I missed the original release of these guys so I'm going all in.
If the KO of their other figures showed us anything you can make and sell these things, and still make profit with out ripping your customer base off, like I feel FT are doing. Personally I believe FT are becoming very greedy, and i really want to drop them, but to be honest I feel there is not else making MP at their level. I like FT product but I have there methods and how they treat the customers - 40 deposit. There in for money nowadays.
Si, la verdad, la calidad de sus figuras no tiene rival, yo tengo el soundwave RP ko, y no tengo el original para comparar, pero si el ko es la mitad de bueno del original, es una maravilla de figura.
These are luxury items in the world of transformers collectibles.. that’s why they are expensive I don’t know why you are so shocked by the price … go Rolex shopping with a swatch budget … there are brands that are less expensive.. life isn’t always fair … none of this will hurt FT in the bit and it doesn’t stop me from buying everything this brand puts out …
Their quality is anything but perfect. I've been collecting mp and 3p since the before time, and i have a box of broken stuff, 80%+ is fanstoys. Heavy does not equal quality. The prices are nuts and i might have to stop collecting ft all together
AIN'T gonna lie bros..ZETA is the way to go on ALL this! FANS Toys is on that Bullchit right now...HELL NAW! They are Sooo GOSH DAMN wrong for that to!👎🏼🤢✌🏽👍🏼
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yeah me too I'm kinda leary about the price point on that,I would be ok if it was around $1100 But I think if it does happen it would be way more than that ,with the way inflation is
i was never going to get the combiner parts forming as i was happy with my zeta but loved the ft individual bots. but 400 dollars for slingshot haha. hate to tell ft but they are doing it all wrong. good luck with their fanbase shelling out that kind of money. for the last two will be the price of the first three. yes yes everything good cost money blah blah blah but there's competition and yes xtb is on and off with it's qc but their menasor is still top notch. it has its issues and transformation and the price wasn't great either but better than this one overall and plus they released it. imagine that. ft has competition not only with other 3rd party but many including myself enjoy the legend scale stuff by newage and ms and to be honest i wasn't and still not excited after they showcased the last two arielbots. Like anything I just want til retailers can't meet the numbers and then they drop it. be the consumer, demand better marketing and pricing. but they look good as ft goes, but i was never a loyal buyer of any company so for me this is a easy pass
I feel like FT is taking advantage of people with these prices. Some that have been waiting years will feel forced to pay these high prices to complete the set. I'm guessing Zeta will do another release with metallic paint for those that want a more reasonably priced alternative. Really glad I sold my FT combiners in march.
There are those who feel they have no choice and will do everything to justify the price hikes, Leaving those who don't, out in the cold. I for one am glad I made the wise choice to quit transformers. I don't care who you are and how much money you have. Spending $200+ for a robot that eventually will get another version released (at a higher price point) makes no sense to me. It's just a vicious cycle that never ends. Plus, after years of MPs, you still can't even complete a damn season. Lol
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I saw this coming when Takara Grapple was released. The price doubled from the recently released Ratchet. It got out of control from there.
Its not as if fanstoys werent screwing people over with their prices from the start....they were ALWAYS over priced and never worth the money so im delighted i only ever bought 1 of the products 7 years ago which was garbage btw
I think My Masterpiece transformers collecting has come to an end. At these current price points, Im out. Ill wait a few years until the world resettles. CPU dram prices are finally coming back down, so Ill wait on these also.
Honestly this all feels a little bit like a bait & switch. Fanstoys should have figured out the engineering required to build a functional combiner before they ever took payment for a single Aerialbot. Even if they just had 3D printed prototypes with minimal detail and no deco just so they can work out the weight and balance requirements. Fanstoys sells product on the weight of their considerable design expertise and I feel like they let everyone down with this set. First the YEARS long delay and now the price spike all to cover their own mistakes. At the end of the day you're either going to buy them or not. I'm not, I am happy with my Zeta Superion and got tired of waiting for Fanstoys to "do it better." But still FT deserves a solid ding to their reputation for this gaffe.
I am in on these even though got Zeta during the initial release. Fanstoys has had issues with these combiners since day 1. Why do 2 sets at the same time and no idea how they will combine? 5 years later the first mold costs nearly twice the price to reissue?
I’m sooooo glad I dumped FansToys back in 21’. They make a good product, but geez, these price increases are ridiculous.
Like I said, over engineer for the price hike
I do like the product but not the price
I remember people losing their minds about the XTB trailer's price. I think some morons even thought the FT set would come in cheaper. HILARIOUS.
Good point!
There were many collectors who chose not to buy the trailer and at least they had the option. Fanstoys got the benefit of seeing that play out and now you buy the parts or do without the figure
Like I said b4, I'm good with my Zeta combiners. Was contemplating getting the Fanstoys for bot mode. At this point, probably not. Holding out hope Zeta comes back to do a defensor, menasor, computron, and abominus.
Zeta should do a computron and would look great next to their superion
I'm perfectly happy with my Zeta Superion as well. As for Defensor, I'm actually going with MMC's take as that's pure G1 goodness and they're not too expensive.
I'm still praying Zeta does all of the combiners. They changed the game with their Devestator
I don't ever remember the limbs being that cheap ($115). I remember them being around $150-$160.
I actually paid $106 at Showz but remember him being $115 at other places
Goose was cheapest at 109 Inceman was 119 and silverbolt was 149. After the 1st release reissues were up 25 to 30%.
@tydiriumhanger1320 I never cared for the Aerialbots as characters, so I wasn't interested in the figures upon release. It wasn't til later that I realized I needed an opposing combiner for Constructor in my diorama. So when I finally bought one it was $160 @ TF Source. It may have been a re-release.
@@passionnotparked9099 ok, makes sense why mine was $160.
I preordered both leg bots and paid $109-115 when they first came out.
These price increases are about to make me forget about masterpiece and stay with C.H.U.G. scale.
Many collectors may feel that same way
And they are reissuing the first 3 so expect resale value to lower than you paid.
Those will probably hit a sale
I missed all of the FT combiner figures so far since I wasn't collecting when they first came out so i'm kinda screwed. I see some people in the comments complaining that they're even being reissued at all but for people like me who never had a shot at them it's nice. I don't care about their damn resale value of all their extra figures they bought to scalp people with. Comparing FT figures to collectible basketball cards is room temperature IQ levels of dumb.
That said, I think I might have to pass on them. I think I could've been fine if the limbs were $150 each and Jester and Skeleton being $300 but this is a bridge too far. I think ShowZ's prices will end up a tiny bit under $200 for the limbs and ~$380 for Jester/Skeleton. That's still too damn much, though. I bought my entire Superitron for less than what Jester will be selling for. It's ridiculous.
With inflation taking into account those prices should be around $150-160 max.
I’ll wait till they drop the prices to reality
I do see the reissues going on sale since collectors already have them
Sadly I've noticed that, showz's pre order final prices for the bigger FT figures have started being the same as American E-tailers. My FT Recorder was one, and a couple of others. I don't see these being any cheaper there, unfortunately. It's simply greed on everyones' part, and they're using inflation as a blanket excuse.
It will be interesting to see what the ShowZ price is but that will be closer to release date in a year
I sold Silverbolt and Skydive, only keeping Air Raid because he was my favourite, but these prices mean I'll never put the gang back together.
Fact is that a lot of us are almost done with our Transformers Collection. These companies know which characters have been released and which ones are anticipated. Takara (Hasbro) know, which is why they will NEVER complete a full transformers roster. They'll reboot in a different scale to get people on the hamster wheel of buying. Fans Toys is cashing out. They want all they know they can get before collectors are content with their collection.
I feel sorry for people just now getting into collecting. They are going to have to pay a King's Ransom to catch up and with less competition and options in the marketplace.
True they have come so far with the aesthetic look that we can not get much better offerings that make us want to replace
These are great points. Anyone wanting to get int collecting more I'd point them to main line.
I just stared mp collecting about a year ago and over that time I've seen significant drops in prices on the secondary market. I'm sure they are still higher than retail was but thats always how things go when things are not in production.
I spoke on this many times, but from a different angle...ppl in the community who give FT a pass for everything & bash other companies for EVERYTHING are assisting FT with their price gouging...WE NEED A COMPETITIVE MARKET...I have more FT figures than any other companies figures in my collection but I am not going to buy FT only...we have to show that we will buy another company's product which will force FT to keep their products reasonable even if they're the most expensive, which is ok...all we have to do is let releases like this sit & watch the price drop... problem solved, thank me later...great video
We saw that with FT Omega Supreme they lowered their price by $100 when DX9 was revealed but there is not XTB Superion and if MMC did one it would not scale
I only have the Stunticons and use DX9 Kukinski as my Dead End. I'd rather have FT Bandit, but I never planned to combine they as I just don't have the room. If they force me to buy the trailer/combiner parts for $400 or more I'm sticking with my team as is. Just because I can afford, doesn't mean I can justify the cost they are asking. I'd be in at under $300. Chances are Jester and Bandit will sit at these prices and eventually go on sale, only then would I consider buying Bandit.
If you are not going to combine them then there are other options for the other 2 for far less and still look great
That means Dead-end will cost a fortune too I guess
That would be expected now
I don’t believe that FT thought the combiners all the way thru. I should’ve just purchased RoadKing like I intended.
This makes me nervous for future releases, items that are usually a little over $100 will now be close to $200 or more? As far as this set goes I’ll stick with zeta they’re good enough
I still think mini bots will be around the $100 mark but who knows now
And dont you just love how some of the 3P fans blame Takara for these price increases? 😂
$260 for Skyfire which is one of their larger offerings is going in the right direction
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Got my MP57 for 225 USD. Anyway, some of these guys quote MP44 as the culprit, but I think the Takara pricing really depends on figure complexity on a per-character basis. Indeed, Skyfire is not as complex so despite his size, he's reasonably priced. Also, glad my copy doesnt have QC issues so I'm not desperate for that MP57 KO.
These are all great points. It seems like FansToys is flaky with re-releases - I think Thomas was re-released at maybe lower than his original price, though that may have been because he went from a Limited to a mainstream release. But in this case, these aren't all re-releases...
I just saw that DX9 Attila is selling as a set for $450 and I snatched one up. I so wish that DX9 was going to do more combiners, but they seem to be moving away from MP scale, for now at least, which is a major bummer. Also, I just noticed that TFSource has moved up the release dates for their Aerialbots to December 2023.
Personal I think it sounds like there's a bunch of things going on here....
Sounds like there was a lot of controversy couple years ago when a bunch of the designers left. So I think that there's some political drama going on within the company still regarding that.
Thing too I think people kind of overlook because I don't think people are geo educated, is that China is on the verge of collapse. I don't see it on the news very much but people are leaving the country and droves if they can. It's almost like Ukraine refugee issue. My dad lives in Thailand, and the country right now is swarming with Chinese Nationals trying to seek asylum.
A lot of the Chinese youth retired communism and the CCP, and basically a refusing to work. The 'let it rot' movement.
Most people don't even know about the fact that China is been working on switching from a production footing to a war time production, and there aren't that many factories producing commercial goods for the last four to five years. That's influencing this as well just because of access to production.
I've done a lot product design over the years, and one thing I can say is that it is far easier to design something than it is to actually get it out there and produced. That's probably the hardest thing. The physical manufacturer of it. Or more specifically, getting access to the machinery to get it made.
How do you make something if you don't have the tools right?
Those are I kind of find the the quality a little bit dodgy, that's the reason why I went with MMC's bruticus and defensor because of the fact I just like the built-in combine mode just because you don't have to worry about this kibble issue. Not only less likely to lose parts, it's all there. So apart from being broken. It's hard to kind of lose some of that stuff.
The only thing I don't like about MMC as I've had some of their plastic snap on me. I don't play with my stuff that much. I might occasionally take it down off the shelf transform it, and put it back up, but it doesn't see heavy wear from me. But I'm a little bit afraid of how well they'll hold up 30 40 years down the road because of the lack of quality that I have seen in terms of the material. So it's kind of a catch-22 of which company you go with
I don't mind bruticus or defensor being shorter than Superiorion because in the comic and cartoon show, Superion was taller than either combiner. Was physically a little bit weaker, but faster and taller. So the scaling from one company to the other works for me in that sense.
I just find it to be politics myself.
Great insight into production. You will never hear what is really going on in todays ultra controlled media. The only thing that seems odd is that XTB and others can still produce their figures for similar pricing structures in the past maybe a bit higher but not twice.
MMC has yet to complete Defensor and it feels as though it’s gonna take a long time so I’ve moved on
There are great figures but with this economy plus taxes is impossible for a purchase.
To me there are 2 factors at play.
1 inflation
2 secondary market for FT
People have been spending 2 or 3 times the cost of FT on the secondary market and they don't see anything from that now they're raise prices to get more of that profit they were leaving on the table.
People who have been in on this set since day 1 its only $620 they have to spend. That is a large departure but if they really want it the can put down $30 a pay check and get it. If they don't want to pay that they can easily sell them for a good profit and still be cheaper than the reissue of the figures they have. At least FT aren't only undercutting the reissue and marking up the new stuff.
If people don't like the price, maybe it could give us a return of more 3P companies. DX9 should be dusting off their Menasor molds in anticipation of a FT $400 stunticon piece. Heck other companies should be working on a superion. When there is something the mp community doesn't like the market will fill in.
True there are other options but FT collectors will pay to play or not play at all. FT also expects everyone who has been in it for a while to pay the price to finally complete this masterpiece
Their backpacks already made them kinda questionable to me so I already wasn't in for their bots modes. The huge amount of partsforming needed for Superion already had me question if I even needed a Superion made of separate bots. The Aerialbots themselves were already kinda uninteresting to me since 4 of them probably share a lot of the same transformation. The massive price jump was just the last straw to deter me from bothering with this set. I might pick up a Zeta Superion if I see one on sale. Or go for the super stylized one.
FT Superion add-on parts at usd 200 can be a discussion but this quite the same price for XTB Menasor add-on, etc..
The real talk is the figure price itself. That's definitely too high for such production. I pay my respect to XTB to sold separately the add-on to their Menasor...
Yep there would be less of an issue if they separated out the combiner parts but no reason to up the price on a reissue like that
I see your point but I do not completely agree given the materials, paint and attention to detail these figures have and the size of the limbs are almost the size of prime when in their robot modes with silverbolt being even larger. Not to mention these are essentially triple changers as well. I feel that getting them cheaper in the past was a bargain and that people should be greatful they got in on these at a great price when they first came out. If anything, sell them and make back more than what you paid. I am looking for a used iceman and maverick in top condition and willing to pay $175 and $225 respectively.
@@Deceptisaur sorry but no. The margin is high. Fanstoys quality can be produced at lower cost and retail could be usd 180 easily. There is a certain apetite here from both side : retailer/distributor and brand.
Yeah I love the FT for the most part, but I’m only buying what I think is exceptional at those prices. There’s so much product coming out in legends and otherwise, that you just can’t have it all or it’s going to be costing you a lot of money and space. I bought powerglide and ehhhhh, but jazz was money and so I just have to be patient and not jump on toys based on photos alone.
Those prices are creeping up there with the Hot Toys sixth scale figures.
That is a similar situation but those prices still surprise me vs something that actually transforms
They look cool and I would like to have them, but those prices are F'n insane. I will stick with MMC.
Well, Jester is currently sold out at BBTS and TCP for pre-orders. Some people will cancel, so people are willing to buy it.
I'm guessing the FT Fort Max will be $3000 from China to USA. More from local US merchants.
Glad I got Star toys Blitzwing. If FT Astrotrain is $200 to $240 now. I'm guessing FT Blitzwing will be closer to $300.
True collectors who have been waiting to complete the set will pay up since they are only getting gouged on 2 but many will get discouraged starting this set
I'm curious how much Bruticus wil cost, if they're gonna begin building it.
I don't know if somebody else has already point this or not, but I saw a picture show that the combiner parts will convert into a stand for the jets modes (no sure if also for the robot modes). But at least there will be something to do with them other than just putting them aside while not in combined mode.
You can see most of the combiner parts from the flight stand they showed last year at TFCon Chicago
I just looked at fans toys grenadier on a UK online store and it was £230 say about $270 something like that and the other 2 where £100 less . These prices are insane
Honestly, FT will release a solo figure version without the combiner parts
That’s a given. Me I’m all in as I want the option to display in combined mode, should the desire arise. They are the most solid stand alone versions of the arielbots.
Zeta has a solid combined mode but the bots are……🗑️. Solid vid as always Mike 💪🏿
I was gonna pick up these reissues and expected a mark up but I was thinking like $150. But, whoa. At $200+ I might as well get a Zeta set for bot mode like I intended to use these as.
Wonder if Zeta will reissue their Superion at a slightly higher price point. Last reissue at Showz was $450. So maybe $500 to $550 might be reasonable.
True Zeta looks great in combined mode for $400
a complete Zeta combiner for the same price as a Fanstoys limb bot with combiner parts, the insanity is out of control
I'm looking forward to completing the FT combiners.
It will be 5 years if they can actually hit the SEPT 24 date
I am going to point something as I have been keeping an eye for sometime on the Fanstoys Aerialbots and forgive the USD on the prices as I live in Australia, my last retail price for Maverick was $329USD with Iceman and Goose priced at $219USD (the pricing was when Viper and Jester went on their recent pre-order), in that Maverick is cheaper than what he was and I am guessing that price will be corrected to the $329USD for his Show.Z pre-order price is higher. I am going to say as a later collector these prices are "normal" for the current market and I hope they have at least have a estimated September 2024 release for you are dropping over $1000USD on the set and you don't want to be caught out on a limited release.
I can understand retailers wanting to sell the products at the Ebay prices and I do think they are part of the problem with the inflation of prices, that said I don't know how much these products are wholesale. If we go by Fanstoys having issues with KOs, I would say Fanstoys are selling their products to retailers at a higher price.
Yep the international prices do get out of hand fast plus there is the conversion rate on top of that.
But isn’t the price increase due to the Combiner parts being included with each?
FansToys is going to make Zeta a lot of money haha
I'm not happy about the price for Slingshot, but like Doc Scurlock said in Young Guns II..." Let's finish the game". And yes I have Zeta as my combined form
Yep we need to get these finished and behind us LOL
@tydiriumhanger1320 So how long till we get Dead End?
Stares at my Zeta Superion that I'd had for like 5 years now and laugh. Thank goodness I didn't go the Fanstoys Route. Then again I've been happy with and mainline figures since the War for Cybertron line that I haven't even really bought MP-scaled official or third party that often cause they're just too expensive and a space hog and I can't even really play with them cause they're more meant to be displayed. The main line looks good and still have an ok price and I can actually play with them.
Inflation isn’t what the government says (3%). It’s the cost increase of specialty high end toys.
I started doing the math a few years ago and when I estimated it would be over 1000$. I was out.
I also was wondering how they would combine as well … I didn’t like the extra trailer. The stands are a better idea. But …. Nah
Really happy with my Zeta Combiners and my DX9 Atilla. I don’t see any replacements for them in the near future.
Zeta and DX9 fill the slots very well
I’m giving up on this set and selling Iceman and Goose. I’m keeping my $179 Maverick as Silverbolt is one of my favorite characters. That said the set is not worth the price. This helps me realize that my 20-years of MP collecting is coming to an end since I already have everything I ever dreamed of and more.
Good point these prices may make many tap out of collecting all together
If you want them and can afford them, buy them. If not, sell some stuff. Work some OT. Or, there are other options for these characters. Not everybody can buy a Ferrari, and not everybody who can, chooses to. FT can charge whatever they want - demand is there, and people will pay. The end. Move along!
I don't collect MP, but if this sells out do you think that will prompt other companies to raise their prices too? Just say this actually happens, all MP get a $50 price increase, do you think that will trickle down to legends scale? MS are at current NA prices and NA increase to over $100.
They will get away with pricing whatever the markets tolerates
oo its the inflation impacting their manufacturing cost, My guess is
I am collecting most of the FT range, but I passed on the combiners. I don't mind paying $80 or $90 for a limb-bot, but more than that.. it's just too much of an investment. But when they do the Combaticons or Technobots, I may change my mind. 😙
True if Superion is your favorite combiner then I guess you pay whatever and for you that may be computron and Bruticus
Greed is the root of all evil 💯
I've only ever bought a few FT bots because of the price premium. Definitely not the combiners. Their Stunticons are too big for scale with the ABs, and I think there is no excuse for them to still have so much kibble underneath their Aerialbots.
This is just a stop on the Capitalism Train where I have to get off.
And that's OK. I'm cool with XTB, MMC, MT, FH, TT KO, etc.
There are other options for sure
I’m ok with paying those prices to complete the set. That’s the only set I was planning on going with from the beginning. Don’t get me wrong zeta makes a great set, had their version of bruticus but sold it to go with the MMC version. As far as combine mode parts, there’s images from TFCON 2023 I believe that show the combine parts and that they make up a giant display stand for all five jets. Honestly I’m expecting the last limb for Fanstoys Menasor to be about the same although hopefully not.
What if Bandit is $500 because it is a trailer that transforms and not just a torso
I’m pretty sure that’s what it’s going to be. The images that were released at TFCON showed that there’s another trailer about the same length as roadkings trailer that has all the combine parts and will combine with roadking to form the base mode from the toy version.
Never have had a Fans Toys before unfortunately but I don’t plan on having one in the future. It’s become too expensive and perhaps it for people who don’t care about price. The figures look nice but there is not enough value there for me.
The price vs value was great back in 2019 and even some newer offerings but the combiners are just pure gouging
Man oh man do I miss DX9. More competition kept the prices at bay. This is pushing MP ppl to move to Legends but that are now getting expensive from New Age and Magic Square.
True you can get an entire combiner in legends for less than any one of these bots
@@tydiriumhanger1320 and you can actually move them around.
I complained that zeta superior was 400 pounds
Wish I would have bought it
$400 for a single combiner bot is astronomical! Isn't that a matter for a Competition Authority to look into?
No it is just pay to pay or stay on the sidelines. Many will not mess with this set unless they have already gotten the first 3
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I hear that. I'm not touching this set and I find the price hike offensive tbh.
It is crazy expensive but i got a year to save up and have an excuse to buy it. But hopefully ShowZ is much better on the price.
That is what I am thinking. At least the $30 or so down will lighten the load a bit
Honestly Mike, I dont mind the Prices that much. At list 220 one can find it for 180ish if they look hard enough. The issue I have is the Force Buy of Viper and the Combiner parts. If FT keeps this as the only option, I can see many walking away from FTs Combiners. I do believe that when things get closer to release date, FTs will make the right move and offer Viper a la carte.
If enough fans make some noise they would release him separate also
Really hoping that Dead End serves as an indicator on this issue.
I have no use for the combiner parts and would have to just try to sell them on the aftermarket if I did buy it.
1000k+ for an MP combiner..way outta my price range..only have a few MP combiners and got those for over half off.. sometimes just gotta wsit it out snd hope there is an over stock or box set.m
I have zeta and love him
In combiner mode, have the three aerialbots already. Hoping they sell slingshot without the combiner parts as these figures are too good to bolt on as an arm or leg
True I only plan to display them in bot mode
@@tydiriumhanger1320 they are too good to lose as a limb. Same for fanstoys stunticons those bots are amazing on there own
Fans toy price was too high then and even higher now, NO THANK YOU!!! I am sticking with my Combiners War Superion and wait to see if Hasbro come out with a new version.
After Scourge I am out of Fans Toys btw Magic Square is making the best Prime for under 150. Not a combiners but MP combiners suck since the are prone to falling down.
Fans Toys may hit it out the park but I am not impressed.
I own many of their MPs but they kind of feel Over engineered for the price.
I like the Xtrans more than the fanstoys cyclones. Galvatron is a pain to transform from FansToys.
I have not transformed any of their figures since Galvatron. Wait their ShockWave is great. That stands out but it is a design that they sat on for multiple years.
The high level of engineering adds to the parts count and cost but not to this degree
Here's a thought stop paying those crazy ass prices and theses toy makers will stop trying to kill us on the money...
Supply and demand 101
True but everyone has to boycott the prices and that will not happen with FT because they have such a loyal base. FT also expects collectors will pay whatever to finish this set and also be grateful for getting their first figures for such a great price
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Don’t have FT yet and not gonna finish the set of MMC Maximus Pro and went with Generation Toys because took too long but I hear ya.
I honestly think its the retailer and not Fans Toys. I have noticed TFSource and Bigbadtoystore get worse and worse in the past year. As you said in the video, with inflation the price is bound to go up as well. I did the math and FT-57 is 57% more on TFsource than what I paid at ShowZ. This brings the arm bots down to $140. The original price on the arm bots was $120...so if that percentage holds we are only talking about a 16% increase through all of the inflation of 2021-2023. So lets all hope that ShowZ comes through for us.
It will be interesting to see what the ShowZ price is but that will be closer to release date in a year
This isn't always the case as this is more of a case by case basis with TFSource usually be the most expensive. BBTS is usually a lot closer in price than TFSource. For example, Fans Toys Astrotrain is $180 on ShowZstore and $200 on BBTS. The variant colors are $220 on ShowZstore and $240 on BBTS but, ShowZstore has lowered it to $180, probably because it's not selling as well. Then there's Cyclonus being $190 vs $220 and $275 and $320, toon version. As you can see from the toon look, that's strictly on Fans Toys as there's no way it should had gone from $190 to $275. As for the prices being higher in the US, that's the companies passing the savings onto the customers as they have to pay to get the products to the US and that costs money as most of these are coming from China or Vietnam. ShowZstore is a Chinese based company so they're going to pay less to get something shipped from China to them.
its like FT wants to sell the figures the same amount as the 2ndary market... will try to collect them cause I believe the combine mode will rock .. but y.. the price is a real issue...
They can kill the secondary market but also tanking the retail market LOL
I missed them back in the day so the price is whatever to me!
Jeez, so 400$ each for the last 2 members and combiner parts. Lol, I think my Jet Commander was 110$ and I still love him with my MPs.
All I can say is at that price I hope FT knocks the combined mode out of the stratosphere! I still say a 3P would mak a killing doing affordable MP scaled Action master Gestalts.
Thats why i switched back to g1 vintage
That is satisfying because there are only so many releases and once you get one you do not have to upgrade to a maybe better one next month LOL
Maverick was 179.99
The fact that I just put the DX9 Menasaur on pre order for $399 will make finishing my FTs combiners a lot more difficult, and will price me out of the Fort Max, if they actually make it.
I also have pre ordered DX9 Menasor 👍💯
It is hard to get my head around paying the same for one arm and combiner parts as a whole combiner team
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Right and your not alone. Probably what’s happening is that Fans Toys have already made tons and tons of money and now they realize it’s just a cash cow and treating like such. That being said I’m out
I completely agree.
That was a punch to the gut for sure. I was getting the FT team to display in bot modes, not combined. Zeta Superion is amazing and good enough for that. But now I have to spend $400 on a figure with combiner parts that I'm never going to use? And then will come Bandit with the same insane price? Ouch! Did I say punch to the gut? More like a knife to the jugular. Yikes. Fortress Maximus... yeah... that ain't happening in my camp. I'll just display the head in bot mode. 😅
Im happy with my Zeta. I wont be going in on these. But I have gone in on their Menasor and Im still waiting for the 400 dollar Dead End release.
What if Dead end is $500 because it is a trailer that transforms rather than just a torso?
Im interested in the reissues, but $200 for a normal sized character is too much. I remember when jazz came out from FT thinking it was way to much for a character like that. I only want to pay that much for bigger figures. For near 1400 for the set is crazy. Theres no way the combiner will be that much better than the Zeta to warrant that price. And maybe the individual bots look better than the zeta and I would want to have them displayed as the bots as I currently have my FT stunticons, but FT has taken that option away if I dont want to waste the extra $200 on the combiner parts
Will be interesting to see them side by side with Zeta in combined mode
I'm mad at myself. When the FT Superion was announced the zeta parts were dirt cheap from various sites. They were so cheap I thought they were legends class. I should have bought them. Would have been like 150 before shipping and tax.
Zeta was $55 each but Silverbolt was $140 everywhere and sold out pretty fast
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I saw one for much cheaper than that, which was one of the reasons i was afraid to buy it. I thought maybe it didnt come with the combiner pieces or something.
I hope they make more imitation fanstoys, especially if they start charging such absurd prices...
$1400+ It's like FT took not a page but the book from Hasbro. Way too much money. I'm guessing FT is nothing shooting themselves in the foot but stabbing in the chest.
HOLY SHIT!! Too much man.
Got your pricing wrong. The aerialbots were $135 back in 2020. Stunticons $110-$115. Bots of the aerialbots size have been $200 plus for 2 years now. Not surprising when Newage charges $100 plus for 3 inch figures
Not for Goose but I will show that in the news. I figured I should have dug out my order and took a screenshot. Many collectors were not around for the first Goose release and do not know the good ole days
@@tydiriumhanger1320 $135 was US retail at TCP, Tfsource, Toy dojo and BBTS.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 man I’ve been around since Quakewave was fanstoys only release. Have every figure first runs. And I created the largest fanstoys group. Made it a safe place for fanboys and haters stay out.
So, it’s expensive. So do you think it would be so weird to think it could be so cheaper? So what’s your so called expectations with this so called price? So just a thought . So let me know if it’s so worth it.
These prices won’t stand for long. When people don’t buy at these outrageous prices, FT will come back to reality.
They are counting on collectors who have waited years for to complete the set to just pay whatever
Well, I have FT Stunticons & will NOT be forced to paying $400 for Deadend & combiner parts. I’ll wait till price goes down. Maybe I’m in the minority. Not sure. We will see.
FT will be there own demise. I see a future of less sales. I think we will see a resurgence of other 3rd party companies. Possibly 4th party too with far less price. FT is pricing themselves out of even being a investment.
They did go through the era of false scarcity then magically more appear out of nowhere to manipulate price
You guys are Loco.
It feels that way
I am actually vexed that FT pulled this maneuver. There are plenty of collectors like myself who got FT Aerialbots specifically to display in bot mode only. I already have Zeta for combined mode, but now I'm forced to shell out more cash just so I can complete the FT set. They should've made the combiner parts a separate option for those who want them. Very uncool move FT 😖
So... why is no one bitching about the MASSIVE increase in prices of all the Legends scale figs? NA and MS used to be in the $30-$50 mark... Now even a basic fig is $70-$90 and even over $100... For a friggn Legends scale fig.
Anyone who had convinced themselves just two years ago that the FT final combiner with parts would be less than $400 was just lieing to them selves. FT have always said the final figs would come with the combiner parts and that it would be double the price of a main fig. Anyone not knowing that the cost of factory time and materials for any manufacturing, not just toys, has dramattically gone up, has just been burring their head in the sand.
I'm not defending the drastic increases. But we ALL know that this is what has happened across the board with EVERY physical product from food to toys.
The First stunticons were $105 so double that would be in the $200 range but still even $299 would not have shocked everyone like this did. I read a message from FT that the final figure would cost the same as maverick so that would have been $180 at that time
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yeah... I get that. But it is not just FT or even just toys. Its everything. My grocery bill has doubled and I've been scaling back. My car insurance had gone up %50is and I have a clear record. My home insurance has gone up 300% and many insurers have just completly left the state. JUst buying a pair of pants has almost doubled.
But I do ask the question again. Why are we... myself included... only complaining about FansToys, arguably the best of the best, and not other toy companies that have nearly doubled their prices?
I think it is a valid question and not fair to single out just one company that, while some of their work is frusterating, is still considered to be top of the line. You still get what you pay for. It is also not fair to only be ysing old china pricing as a guage and not domestic pricing. Domestic pricing for the arial bots was $135 for the smaller figs and %185 for Maverik. Same with the stunticons. This is the price most people paid. Now that the days of cheap china pricing are pretty much over, we can't compair the same prices. you are not taking all factors into account... at least as far as I see it.
I work in the toy industry. I see the direct dev costs. We are paying double or even tripple for supplies and labor and factory time. The days of basicaly slave labor in chinease factories are over. they now have a massive "middle class" and factory workers are demanding much more income.
I digress...
I don't like the modern pricing. It is a bit of a shock. But you make it seem like it is just out of the blue. There has been this build up for years now. We all know it. We all have been watching it in real time. There are actual real life reasons for it beyond the theroy of greedy businesses and developers...
I noticed that and I slowed down buying Newage to a standstill such as their Dinobots. They’re cool but not worth what their charging unless they were combined to Volcanicus then I’d be in. Actually I’m probably gonna get G-Creations version eventually…….
I applaud people who can afford to purchase and display FansToys figures. I cannot. I've bought Takara, KO Takara, XTransbots, Maketoys, MMC, Fans Hobby, KFC, and Generation Toy figures. I've been, generally, happy with most of my purchases. Maybe someday I'll buy a FansToys figure, but I'll remain content until then with what I've already bought.
The hilarious thing about this is these guys easily go for $200+, used in transformer groups. Silverbolt has hit $300+, used. Fans toys is just closing the gap. This is obviously a price point everyone is paying already so it's whatever to me. Let the company make their money or keep your zeta. I have a zeta but I'm ordering 2 full sets of ft. I missed the original release of these guys so I'm going all in.
If the KO of their other figures showed us anything you can make and sell these things, and still make profit with out ripping your customer base off, like I feel FT are doing. Personally I believe FT are becoming very greedy, and i really want to drop them, but to be honest I feel there is not else making MP at their level. I like FT product but I have there methods and how they treat the customers - 40 deposit. There in for money nowadays.
Yep they are usually the best option and with less competition feel they can charge whatever
Es una locura lo que pasa con los precios de fanstoys 😬
Saben que los fans pagarán por fanstos.
Si, la verdad, la calidad de sus figuras no tiene rival, yo tengo el soundwave RP ko, y no tengo el original para comparar, pero si el ko es la mitad de bueno del original, es una maravilla de figura.
@@onslaught7729 cierto ambos son geniales
One word Zeta
These are luxury items in the world of transformers collectibles.. that’s why they are expensive I don’t know why you are so shocked by the price … go Rolex shopping with a swatch budget … there are brands that are less expensive.. life isn’t always fair … none of this will hurt FT in the bit and it doesn’t stop me from buying everything this brand puts out …
Inflation is down they're just gouging dummies that will pay outlandish prices for their action figure fix. Basically drug dealer tactics🤷🏾♂️
They count on those who already got the first 3 to pay whatever to just get the sets done
I think inflation was an excuse all
along imo
Their quality is anything but perfect. I've been collecting mp and 3p since the before time, and i have a box of broken stuff, 80%+ is fanstoys. Heavy does not equal quality. The prices are nuts and i might have to stop collecting ft all together
The Democrats inflation has reach all the way to cybertron😅😅
LOL Inflation hit Cybertron hard
@@tydiriumhanger1320
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AIN'T gonna lie bros..ZETA is the way to go on ALL this! FANS Toys is on that Bullchit right now...HELL NAW! They are Sooo GOSH DAMN wrong for that to!👎🏼🤢✌🏽👍🏼
I heard the fort max was probably not gonna happen and if it did it would be about 6 to 7 years from now. Don't quote me on it just something I heard
I am starting to have mixed feelings about that either way
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yeah me too I'm kinda leary about the price point on that,I would be ok if it was around $1100
But I think if it does happen it would be way more than that ,with the way inflation is
i was never going to get the combiner parts forming as i was happy with my zeta but loved the ft individual bots. but 400 dollars for slingshot haha. hate to tell ft but they are doing it all wrong. good luck with their fanbase shelling out that kind of money. for the last two will be the price of the first three. yes yes everything good cost money blah blah blah but there's competition and yes xtb is on and off with it's qc but their menasor is still top notch. it has its issues and transformation and the price wasn't great either but better than this one overall and plus they released it. imagine that. ft has competition not only with other 3rd party but many including myself enjoy the legend scale stuff by newage and ms and to be honest i wasn't and still not excited after they showcased the last two arielbots. Like anything I just want til retailers can't meet the numbers and then they drop it. be the consumer, demand better marketing and pricing. but they look good as ft goes, but i was never a loyal buyer of any company so for me this is a easy pass
Yep many will pass on this set for those prices but others feel obligated to finish the set
I feel like FT is taking advantage of people with these prices. Some that have been waiting years will feel forced to pay these high prices to complete the set. I'm guessing Zeta will do another release with metallic paint for those that want a more reasonably priced alternative.
Really glad I sold my FT combiners in march.
There are those who feel they have no choice and will do everything to justify the price hikes, Leaving those who don't, out in the cold. I for one am glad I made the wise choice to quit transformers. I don't care who you are and how much money you have. Spending $200+ for a robot that eventually will get another version released (at a higher price point) makes no sense to me. It's just a vicious cycle that never ends. Plus, after years of MPs, you still can't even complete a damn season. Lol
The game of collecting MP TF can be frustrating but is still satisfying. The prices are getting out of control
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I saw this coming when Takara Grapple was released. The price doubled from the recently released Ratchet. It got out of control from there.
Its not as if fanstoys werent screwing people over with their prices from the start....they were ALWAYS over priced and never worth the money so im delighted i only ever bought 1 of the products 7 years ago which was garbage btw
I like their figures and yes they have been overcharging for a while.
Thats why i dont pre-order till i see the price. Beautiful figures but is still a toy🤷♂️
Fanstoys got used to preorders just selling out all the time but they seem to be plentiful now a days
Increasing the price for almost 100% is not a good way to entice buyers
I'm happy with my Zeta Superion. I would be in on this fanstoys set for bot modes if they were $150 a piece. I can't do $1400 for 5 figures.
Yep this is the new reality
I think My Masterpiece transformers collecting has come to an end. At these current price points, Im out. Ill wait a few years until the world resettles. CPU dram prices are finally coming back down, so Ill wait on these also.
There may be many clearance and sales deals in the future
Honestly this all feels a little bit like a bait & switch.
Fanstoys should have figured out the engineering required to build a functional combiner before they ever took payment for a single Aerialbot. Even if they just had 3D printed prototypes with minimal detail and no deco just so they can work out the weight and balance requirements. Fanstoys sells product on the weight of their considerable design expertise and I feel like they let everyone down with this set. First the YEARS long delay and now the price spike all to cover their own mistakes.
At the end of the day you're either going to buy them or not. I'm not, I am happy with my Zeta Superion and got tired of waiting for Fanstoys to "do it better." But still FT deserves a solid ding to their reputation for this gaffe.
I am in on these even though got Zeta during the initial release. Fanstoys has had issues with these combiners since day 1. Why do 2 sets at the same time and no idea how they will combine? 5 years later the first mold costs nearly twice the price to reissue?