I like to carry a zig rig system in a day bag also. I also like to have some safety gear on my person and distributed among a few passengers. It makes them feel good/confident and can prove handy in a rescue situation. When you give capable passengers a pulley and or a carabiner you are telling them in a very physical and physiological way that they are expected to be a helpful participant in a rescue situation.
The Astral Greenjacket has a hidden chest pocket meant for their little square throw bag that is the perfect place to stash your flip line. Stays put, quick access, out of the way and not an entrapment hazard around the waist.
i was in the same dilemma about screw gate locking carabiners vs the auto lockers, i decided for screw gates, not because they are cheaper, hell, i think they are kind of inferior to some well made DMM auto lockers but considering my kayaking friends in high pressure scenario, and when you only have one hand free to unlock the carabiner, i decided for simple screw gates btw, its super easy and convenient to replace a pulley prusik combo with a petzl micro-traxion, or even better CT rollnlock i like CT rollnlock more because it doesnt damage the rope as much as micro-traxion does with teeth its almost like comparing a grigri device to a jumar ascender
Last year on a river trip (open canoe) with two friends, one of my friends got swept under an overhanging tree jamming his canoe under it. Luckily he got out ok. Ended up ik the tree though. The canoe was turned and caught on submerged branches and the current. As most experienced paddler I carried two pulleys, 3 carabiners, a sling (anchor) and a throw bag. We set up a z-drag and were able to pull it loose. Had some adrenalin fueled laughs after it, but it was a close call.
As always digging the videos. I now have a SuperGuideGear bag myself. Listening to interview with Brett right now, and I am looking forward to your Illinois video :P
When I go with my friends we each carry, 1 piece of webbing, 1 throw bag, 1 pulley, 2 carbineers, and 1 prussick. Nobody has to carry everything, and the gear is distributed so no matter who needs help two others can set up a 3:1 system. I usually carry a second pulley and prussick so I could do it myself.
How do you like the watershed bag? The "zip" on it looks like it would get clogged with dirt, or wear down over time. Is it still around, 4 years later?
Feeling the stoke for 2021 it's funny round your channel and commented pretty much what's in this video. I don't know if you have a video going over rope diameters and friction hitch or prusi k diameters and how they work together i like your videos.
The rule climbers follow is that your prussik/friction hitch rope should be at least 3mm less than your primary rope diameter. So for a 10mm rope, use a 7mm prussik cord. A 3mm difference is perfect, normally. 4mm difference or more and it gets "sticky" and hard to move when needed.
Placing all this gear in your PFD, Would not that decrease the buoyancy of the PFD? If your PFD is rated for 17 LBS. Then your gear is 10 lbs added in your vest. That adds up to 10 lbs of buoyancy . I'm with having a on board kit that's strapped on for boat recovery.
the side pockets on pfds is a really nice idea. I am wondering how easy /fast is to pull out stuff from those while being on water. Anyone has experience / seen video about it?
Hi Zack, really enjoy your "fun little internet show"! Do you have any knowledge or a best guess on how much weight the glue/material holding the D-rings on a raft will take before failing? Thanks!
Great video Zach! Could you recommend a length and size of rope that I could use as a bowline but convert to a z-rig if necessary? This is for a 13’ day boat
I wouldn't suggest using the same rope for both a z-rig and bowline. You want a stiff rope that you take care of for z-rigs. For bowlines you want something easy to work with that's going to take a lot of abuse. But if you want to do it anyway your best best is the Sterling 7/16" Waterline amzn.to/3eoOyso.
Is there a reason other than cost that boaters don't use a one-way cleat, like the Petzl micro traxion, a gri-gri, or a tibloc, for the progress-capture side of the z-drag? These can be much easier to work with than prussiks.
Why don't you use the double mariner system? It uses practically the same material but being a compound pulley it is a system with a mechanical advantage of 7 to 1 and not 3 to 1, just saying...
This equipment is more about versatility and less about the power. Applying too much mechanical advantage could cause something to break which sometimes leads to bodily harm. The pulleys and prusics can be used a variety of ways to assist in a river rescue.
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I like to carry a zig rig system in a day bag also. I also like to have some safety gear on my person and distributed among a few passengers. It makes them feel good/confident and can prove handy in a rescue situation. When you give capable passengers a pulley and or a carabiner you are telling them in a very physical and physiological way that they are expected to be a helpful participant in a rescue situation.
Love the videos! Firefighter/water rescue from Iowa.
The Astral Greenjacket has a hidden chest pocket meant for their little square throw bag that is the perfect place to stash your flip line. Stays put, quick access, out of the way and not an entrapment hazard around the waist.
Yep great suggestion! Thanks.
Thanks for all the great info!
i was in the same dilemma about screw gate locking carabiners vs the auto lockers, i decided for screw gates, not because they are cheaper, hell, i think they are kind of inferior to some well made DMM auto lockers
but considering my kayaking friends in high pressure scenario, and when you only have one hand free to unlock the carabiner, i decided for simple screw gates
btw, its super easy and convenient to replace a pulley prusik combo with a petzl micro-traxion, or even better CT rollnlock
i like CT rollnlock more because it doesnt damage the rope as much as micro-traxion does with teeth
its almost like comparing a grigri device to a jumar ascender
love it. Fishing guide from Chile Thanks
Last year on a river trip (open canoe) with two friends, one of my friends got swept under an overhanging tree jamming his canoe under it. Luckily he got out ok. Ended up ik the tree though. The canoe was turned and caught on submerged branches and the current. As most experienced paddler I carried two pulleys, 3 carabiners, a sling (anchor) and a throw bag. We set up a z-drag and were able to pull it loose. Had some adrenalin fueled laughs after it, but it was a close call.
Great idea, good video very helpful
Glad you liked it
As always digging the videos. I now have a SuperGuideGear bag myself.
Listening to interview with Brett right now, and I am looking forward to your Illinois video :P
Thanks for the nice comment!
man its crazy matching your face to your voice in the podcast. Awesome stuff dude
Thanks!
Great video Zack. It would be great to see a video on the improvised pig rig ????
Brodie and I will work on that this spring
When I go with my friends we each carry, 1 piece of webbing, 1 throw bag, 1 pulley, 2 carbineers, and 1 prussick. Nobody has to carry everything, and the gear is distributed so no matter who needs help two others can set up a 3:1 system. I usually carry a second pulley and prussick so I could do it myself.
I'm starting to come around to your method with 1 pulley, 1 prussic, 1 sling/flip line, and 2 carabiners.
How do you like the watershed bag? The "zip" on it looks like it would get clogged with dirt, or wear down over time. Is it still around, 4 years later?
Cool video
Feeling the stoke for 2021 it's funny round your channel and commented pretty much what's in this video. I don't know if you have a video going over rope diameters and friction hitch or prusi k diameters and how they work together i like your videos.
The rule climbers follow is that your prussik/friction hitch rope should be at least 3mm less than your primary rope diameter. So for a 10mm rope, use a 7mm prussik cord. A 3mm difference is perfect, normally. 4mm difference or more and it gets "sticky" and hard to move when needed.
If you are worried about the additional weight of safety gear, lose the same amount of weight and you'll be fine. We all have a pound or two to lose .
Metal is more dense than fat
Placing all this gear in your PFD, Would not that decrease the buoyancy of the PFD? If your PFD is rated for 17 LBS. Then your gear is 10 lbs added in your vest. That adds up to 10 lbs of buoyancy
. I'm with having a on board kit that's strapped on for boat recovery.
He talks about this later in the video and says he prefers to keep a bag for that reason
Your great btw..
I appreciate that
the side pockets on pfds is a really nice idea. I am wondering how easy /fast is to pull out stuff from those while being on water. Anyone has experience / seen video about it?
Does it matter if your pulleys are different sizes? Like can you pair 2 of your larges ones with one of your small ones (for the 3 total)?
It’s not a problem as long as your pulleys fit your rope
Hi Zack, really enjoy your "fun little internet show"!
Do you have any knowledge or a best guess on how much weight the glue/material holding the D-rings on a raft will take before failing?
Thanks!
Nope - d ring strength depends on the material, how it was attached, how big the d-ring patch is, and how old the boat is.
@@GearGarageTV Thanks!
Great video Zach! Could you recommend a length and size of rope that I could use as a bowline but convert to a z-rig if necessary? This is for a 13’ day boat
I wouldn't suggest using the same rope for both a z-rig and bowline. You want a stiff rope that you take care of for z-rigs. For bowlines you want something easy to work with that's going to take a lot of abuse. But if you want to do it anyway your best best is the Sterling 7/16" Waterline amzn.to/3eoOyso.
Hey Zack, what do you suggest for kayakers? The only option I see is keeping the items on your person
I put this stuff in a small dry bag behind my kayaks seat
What type of saw do you use on the river?
Here's an episode about hand saws ruclips.net/video/Z5RAjYCXSV4/видео.html
Is there a reason other than cost that boaters don't use a one-way cleat, like the Petzl micro traxion, a gri-gri, or a tibloc, for the progress-capture side of the z-drag? These can be much easier to work with than prussiks.
Because they can tear the sheath of ropes under heavy loads
@@GearGarageTV Gotcha, thank you!
Why don't you use the double mariner system? It uses practically the same material but being a compound pulley it is a system with a mechanical advantage of 7 to 1 and not 3 to 1, just saying...
This equipment is more about versatility and less about the power. Applying too much mechanical advantage could cause something to break which sometimes leads to bodily harm. The pulleys and prusics can be used a variety of ways to assist in a river rescue.
IDK. I kinda want to look like a walking Z rig. lol