And it was well foreshadowed. "I know your fate well". "Transcend beyond the fate that was bestowed upon you". Talks like someone that knows fate like no other. We could've thrown a wild guess that this was Vedrfolnir the moment we learned of his existence through Skirk. Nicole taught us what a Visionary is, and Skirk name dropped a guy called Vedrfolnir with the title "The Visionary". Marvelous work, Hoyoverse...
Nahida has no control over that, She won't even be able to help even if she wanted too... The curse that was placed to Khaenriah is beyond that of the Archons because the curse is directly cursing their very Fate itself, meaning you'd have to need a power to control or change fate in order to help the cursed people of khaenriah, and the persons who have that kind of power are the beings that are above archons like The Abyss, Celestial gods, primordial one and it's shades. Remember that even Rukkadevata said that she cannot understand the Abyss and even corrupted her even tho she's the god of wisdom, and this crystal thing IS The Abyss or atleast a part of it, meaning that this power is beyond that of the archons hence why it managed to helped Caribert.
And if I remember correctly, Rukkadevata wasn't even involved with the Cataclysm. Wasn't she ordered to guard the Irminsul. which she kind of failed because Dehsret shared the forbidden knowledge to the people of Sumeru tainting the Irminsul. Which led to the creation of Nahida and both Deshret and Rukkadevata's deaths. So the dendro Archor was VERY much occupied. and probably couldn't help even if she wanted to.
@@user-th1qo4cq9g A bit of correction... King deshret forbidden knowledge corruption was a thousand years ago and king deshret sacrifice himself along with Rukkadevata exhausting all her powers(she became small in result) managed to clear Irminsul, 500 years later, khaenriah and cataclysm happened along with it is a second corruption of Irminsul happened which is even more powerful corruption than the one that king deshret brought, Rukkadevata created the Akasha and borrowed people's dreams and wisdom to empower herself then cleared Irminsul of it's corruption, But she was corrupted in the process hence why she created nahida to remove her from Irminsul because she's the only remaining corruption there.
That message sounds malevolent but when you take that the "sinner" does the 2nd part of his voice line for the Traveller like "Go forth become a transcendent one, Rise beyond the fate bestow upon you" and "I shall shed a tear at the end of time as I gaze back upon your life" it doesn't sound as bad I say the "sinner" didn't do anything wrong and was just labeled as "the sinner" by Celestia
I think sinner is gnostic Satanael he rebeled against demiurge to controll humans fate and wills(order) Gnostic Satanael want humans be free but too extreme (chaos)
There are actually a lot of information here : 1. The twin absolutely has a deep connection with the abyss. So, probably traveler's memory is kinda altered a bit. 2. The sinner, is probably the will of abyss, the source of abyssal power. I forgot but it mentioned around inazuma patch i believe. 3. Chlotar probably remarries as his skeleton is found beside a woman's skeleton. Probably starting Kaeya's lineage.
what actually happened is that the special mushroom actually requires a dead body. The special fertilizer that clothar mentioned is actually just Caribert's mom. When Rukkhashava Mushrooms are grown but a dead body is used as fertilizer instead of natural fertizliers, you get the strange mushroom. The female skeleton was of Caribert's mother's and after clothar's fate was changed and the curse was lifted, he died and was buried next to his wife, probably by the abyss twin.
I think this Is connected with the creation of Albedo, the Omunculus, I know She created more ominous beasts but in Alchemy the creation of the Omunculi Is forbidden
Yeah, but what if the crystal it’s not the real form, the real form is The Alpha Abyss is an organic lifeform like the other abyss order units but is enclosed in a exosuit which has a drilling weapon. It looks like a giant snake/worm-like bio-mechanical creature. It is possible that the Alpha Abyss is a Stage 3 warrior that the Abyss order only deploy on the final phase of an invasion considering its power, rank and importance
0:10 If the Abyss Order was not made, who is this guy exactly and was he protecting the crystal? I feel like he got overshadowed by the following scene.
I can’t help but notice the VA for the “sinner” has the same VA for Kaeya? Those inflections on certain words makes me think that it’s Kaeya’s VA, I could be entirely wrong though 😅
Maybe more than that Maybe he's "Terminus" the Finality I mean he did say something in the lines of "I shall shed a tear as I gaze back upon your life"
Considering that Genshin is within the same multiverse as Honkai, maybe the sinner is a Honkai and the sibling is on their way to becoming a herrschel. Or maybe the sinner is an Aeon
@@_mirary_ True that. I'm not really too big into the whole idea of them being in a shared multiverse. I have no issue with it, as long as the relationship between the games is purely referential and they don't end up crossing in terms of story. I don't want another gacha FOMO game on my hands :,)
It’s mostly Gnosticism, which also had some considerable influence on Islam, especially now that we know there are 5 sinners that is much closer to Gnosticism
To people saying the sinner is voiced by Sunday’s English voice actor it’s not! Majority of you probably didn’t even know who Sunday’s voice actor was, I knew the moment I heard his voice in the livestream with owlbert
@@cum4044 do they this is the only thing I can really think of……..hmm.. maybe…. Actually never mind the egg thing is still one of the only things I can think of that’s similar
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2:06 The Sinner is now confirmed to be Vedrfolnir: The Visionary
And it was well foreshadowed. "I know your fate well". "Transcend beyond the fate that was bestowed upon you". Talks like someone that knows fate like no other. We could've thrown a wild guess that this was Vedrfolnir the moment we learned of his existence through Skirk. Nicole taught us what a Visionary is, and Skirk name dropped a guy called Vedrfolnir with the title "The Visionary".
Marvelous work, Hoyoverse...
At that time Nahida was still in jail, if only she wasn't in jail and helped grant eide's wish, maybe the abyss order wouldn't have formed
Nahida has no control over that, She won't even be able to help even if she wanted too... The curse that was placed to Khaenriah is beyond that of the Archons because the curse is directly cursing their very Fate itself, meaning you'd have to need a power to control or change fate in order to help the cursed people of khaenriah, and the persons who have that kind of power are the beings that are above archons like The Abyss, Celestial gods, primordial one and it's shades.
Remember that even Rukkadevata said that she cannot understand the Abyss and even corrupted her even tho she's the god of wisdom, and this crystal thing IS The Abyss or atleast a part of it, meaning that this power is beyond that of the archons hence why it managed to helped Caribert.
And if I remember correctly, Rukkadevata wasn't even involved with the Cataclysm. Wasn't she ordered to guard the Irminsul. which she kind of failed because Dehsret shared the forbidden knowledge to the people of Sumeru tainting the Irminsul. Which led to the creation of Nahida and both Deshret and Rukkadevata's deaths.
So the dendro Archor was VERY much occupied. and probably couldn't help even if she wanted to.
@@user-th1qo4cq9g A bit of correction... King deshret forbidden knowledge corruption was a thousand years ago and king deshret sacrifice himself along with Rukkadevata exhausting all her powers(she became small in result) managed to clear Irminsul, 500 years later, khaenriah and cataclysm happened along with it is a second corruption of Irminsul happened which is even more powerful corruption than the one that king deshret brought, Rukkadevata created the Akasha and borrowed people's dreams and wisdom to empower herself then cleared Irminsul of it's corruption, But she was corrupted in the process hence why she created nahida to remove her from Irminsul because she's the only remaining corruption there.
What would happend will still hapend. And this is genshin impact story. There is no "maybe" it "must be"
@@lelouchvibritannia1662 Thank you for the correction.
0:48 lmao eide getting stuck on the pillar is hilarious
so that was Vedrfolnir : The Visionary ( Dain's Brother ) 2:06
Hope its otto expy with being blond n all lol
@@LydiaPie18pleaseee 🙏🙏🙏
That message sounds malevolent but when you take that the "sinner" does the 2nd part of his voice line for the Traveller like "Go forth become a transcendent one, Rise beyond the fate bestow upon you" and "I shall shed a tear at the end of time as I gaze back upon your life" it doesn't sound as bad I say the "sinner" didn't do anything wrong and was just labeled as "the sinner" by Celestia
I think sinner is gnostic Satanael he rebeled against demiurge to controll humans fate and wills(order)
Gnostic Satanael want humans be free but too extreme (chaos)
There are actually a lot of information here :
1. The twin absolutely has a deep connection with the abyss. So, probably traveler's memory is kinda altered a bit.
2. The sinner, is probably the will of abyss, the source of abyssal power. I forgot but it mentioned around inazuma patch i believe.
3. Chlotar probably remarries as his skeleton is found beside a woman's skeleton. Probably starting Kaeya's lineage.
the sinnee is just honkai with less impact
@@HarumNasiku lol 😂
I thought he was already married but then cheated if illegitimate son is a hint
what actually happened is that the special mushroom actually requires a dead body. The special fertilizer that clothar mentioned is actually just Caribert's mom. When Rukkhashava Mushrooms are grown but a dead body is used as fertilizer instead of natural fertizliers, you get the strange mushroom. The female skeleton was of Caribert's mother's and after clothar's fate was changed and the curse was lifted, he died and was buried next to his wife, probably by the abyss twin.
@@ashenzendenHow then did Keaya's lineage continue?
Rhinedottr was nicknamed "the Great Sinner" after the destruction of Khaenri'ah which look real sus rn.
I think this Is connected with the creation of Albedo, the Omunculus, I know She created more ominous beasts but in Alchemy the creation of the Omunculi Is forbidden
after 4.7, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@@xsxllyeaa i get you..
For short the abyss order is just a pawn of this crystal
The Dark Crystal.
And their princess/Prince are pawns todo 😞
Pawn of "The Sinner"
Chamberlain is gonna have a crossover there hmmm,yes.
Yeah, but what if the crystal it’s not the real form, the real form is The Alpha Abyss is an organic lifeform like the other abyss order units but is enclosed in a exosuit which has a drilling weapon. It looks like a giant snake/worm-like bio-mechanical creature. It is possible that the Alpha Abyss is a Stage 3 warrior that the Abyss order only deploy on the final phase of an invasion considering its power, rank and importance
0:10 If the Abyss Order was not made, who is this guy exactly and was he protecting the crystal? I feel like he got overshadowed by the following scene.
new quest made me go back here
What if Dainsleif's older brother, the visionary, was genshin's Otto proxy???? I mean they're both blondiess 🎉🎉
OMG!! I hope
His voice resembles the voice of the Outsider from Dishonored 2
I can’t help but notice the VA for the “sinner” has the same VA for Kaeya? Those inflections on certain words makes me think that it’s Kaeya’s VA, I could be entirely wrong though 😅
What's his name I wonder? He has a most mesmerizing voice
@@aliss8559 leaving a comment here so that somebody could tell me who the va was as well, his voice really is mesmerizing honestly
Did they use Kaeya VA in other languages?
watching this clip now after playing the Penacony story in HSR, i'm confident the "sinner" is voiced by Griffin Puatu, the voice actor of Sunday
@@eternaleezit’s not!!! You are wrong!
I think that voice is voiced by Sunday's eng va
It’s not!
Eide VA comes from the Jeffrey Combs school of overacting. Love it.
i recommend everyone to start playing Honkai StarRail. The crystal is a Stellaron.
Maybe more than that Maybe he's "Terminus" the Finality I mean he did say something in the lines of "I shall shed a tear as I gaze back upon your life"
@@roweginmendoza9703
That does sound what the Aeon of Finality does
It shares like 0 similarities with a stellaron
Considering that Genshin is within the same multiverse as Honkai, maybe the sinner is a Honkai and the sibling is on their way to becoming a herrschel.
Or maybe the sinner is an Aeon
I am sorry But I would rather want Genshin and Honkai to be in a different universe. And I don't think world of Genshin is in Honkai verse.
@@jainilpatel5811 you can find wind gliders from genshin in honkai star rail
they are confirmed to be in the same multiverse
@@jainilpatel5811
They are in the Hoyoverse
@@christianvirtudazo3106 What i meant was i don't want any cross collabation betweeb the stories of hoyoverse. I want them to be seperate at best.
2:30 DID YALL NOTICE HOW THE VOICE SPEAKS LIKE SCARAMOUCHE
like it's not the same voice but it speaks the same way
It sounds more like Sunday’s voice
@@Zak-tk8wv Who's sunday 💀
@@_mirary_ Honkai Star Rail character, I believe.
@@PaulTheDWGuy Yeah but hsr and gi are 2 different games they're not gonna put sunday in gi and there no current equivalent of him in gi
@@_mirary_ True that. I'm not really too big into the whole idea of them being in a shared multiverse. I have no issue with it, as long as the relationship between the games is purely referential and they don't end up crossing in terms of story. I don't want another gacha FOMO game on my hands :,)
Was that voice Ouroboshi?
Ever wonder genshin lore has a lot of references from islamic eschatology
It’s mostly Gnosticism, which also had some considerable influence on Islam, especially now that we know there are 5 sinners that is much closer to Gnosticism
yea it does have a lot of religious references (also may i ask where the islamic one is i think i missed it if you would!)
oh nvm i found out
To people saying the sinner is voiced by Sunday’s English voice actor it’s not! Majority of you probably didn’t even know who Sunday’s voice actor was, I knew the moment I heard his voice in the livestream with owlbert
Omg this reminds me of the whole egg situation from the Dream SMP, please not let this be like that lol
Oh shit that why most genshin fan are dsmp fan because faith has brought them here
@@cum4044 what do you mean? I’m confused faith has brought me here??
@@lupusx3225 well do you ever realize how dsmp story sometimes are perfectly sync with genshin story
@@cum4044 do they this is the only thing I can really think of……..hmm.. maybe…. Actually never mind the egg thing is still one of the only things I can think of that’s similar
@@lupusx3225 try looking at yelan first it never only the main story that similar
But I don't get it what's with halfdan then
He, along with the other Royal Guards, were cursed, just like the other Khaenri’ahns. Halfdan remembered his mission.
Who is actually the "sinner"? Probably one of the many dark god...
Maybe the king of khaerin' ah
I like to think it is Deshret since he appear as a almost identidal crystal in the story video about his fall.
Either the 2nd One Who Came, or the Primordial God...
Vedrfolnir
🤣🤣
I think that the sinner has a good chance of being Nibelung
The sinner is the antichrist, the "dajjal", the false god
Yes that is! This the sinner character is inspired from Dajjal..and Dajjal will come in the future..who knows maybe in our time..😢😢😮
@@manoharalisa5829 the reference almost same with story of Tamin Al Dhari because he (the antichrist) was chained in unknown island
Nope he is Satanael