Why I Ditched EFI For That Carb Life
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2023
- Why i swapped to blow through from efi.
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Spot on man! Carburetors are simpler and when maintained properly they can be terrific to run.
The best thing I ever did other than ls swap my fox was to convert to a carb. My lil 302 dropped .2 sec at the drag strip with no other changes. I'm running my ls carbureted too and it's just beyond simple and clean .
My cuz drove A... 1984 ford thunder bird..302 carbed. Ran good.. Drove good.. Drove it three years... And one day... We're at a friend's garage that knows a lot about building muscle cars.. And he says.. Do a burn out when you leave... My cuz... Says... The one thing it won't do is a burn out... He said really... Pull it over by the garage for a minute... Pop the hood... He grabbed a wrench.. And some screw drivers.... He.. Moved.. The timing just a hair by hand.. No timing light.... Just buy guess... Then.. He started.. Playing with the Jets et cetera.. With a screw driver.... Me and my cousin hot back in the car... Did a nice burn out right after that..... My cousin was so happy that day... He's like i've been driving this car 3years... Beating the s*** out of it... And after all that.. He's like a mechanic gets under my hood that knows what he's doing with carbs... Two minutes later i'm burning Tires.. He's like would have never thought going into the fourth year owning it.. With wear and tear.... And now it has a lot more power than the evident without any modifications... Just someone that knows their way around the timein..and that Carburetor... After that my cousin Started studing carburetors...😂😂😂 lol
How many fuckin ……….. do you need?
Dude ran out of breath typing this
Bro types the way a wasted guy full of booze talks
This video hit right on driving a carburated car is a different feeling 🤟🏾
Probably most relatable RUclips video blogger I know. Thanks man for the great video
I had 3 efi foxes in the past and now I have a carbed 83 GT. I like it because it's simple. No reading codes or chasing down bad sensors. The previous must have known what they were doing because it runs fabulous. I was planning on getting a Holley Sniper, but I'm hesitant to change anything because it works so good.
If the car makes you smile enjoy it until it doesn’t
Then don’t, but you should invest in a newer carb because they’ve made leaps & bounds in that direction.
Very very valid points my Brother! I grew up in the age of carburetors and agree that it is easier to work on ….even with minimal knowledge. I have said more than once that I wish I could go back in time where engines were simple and easy to work on and easy to diagnose. No need for a computer! It is a good change for your channel! I love it! 💯👊🏾
I’m a Carb guy, and always have been. Not say that I’ve never had an EFI before, but the simplicity of a carb is what I like. My 85 SVO that I bought as a roller, had most of the wiring harness hacked out of it, so a carb was the simplest solution. I run a Holley 8156 750 mechanical secondary, which I love on my F4TE block 351.
I hear you, but I feel blessed getting a cheap car that was butchered..😛
@@bradjames-ey4ct in some ways I feel the same way. At least I know what I have now, and I know that the wiring isn’t going to give me a fit because it is all new wiring under the hood. It’s is simple without all the stuff I didn’t need.
I have a 86 5.0 efi, 5 sp. switched to a 650 street brawler, mech secondaries, stock dura spark 2,. I love the conversion, with a 37 year old system, broken wires, rotted vacumn lines, sensors or relays going bad, wasnt looking for faster, was looking for dependability, car now runs off 2 wires, fuel and ignition, very simple, very dependable, and very easy to troubleshoot, especially a long way from home, i absolutely love this set up.
Agreed love carbs especially for an NA build or Nitrous build.
And this is why this is my favorite Foxbody Mustang Channel. And the only one I support. Brew2l, you just jumped to the next level as far as I'm concerned. I am an old man who has been playing with carburetors since the 80s. I bought my 88 Five-O going on 8 years. And wanting to make it carbureted has been on my mind since day one. But you do not dare mention it to the fox body Mustang community. I have been thinking the exact same points that you made in this video, for the past eight years. My car being a speed density system. I can't do what I really want to do with this. I don't want to go through the expense and the work to switch over to Mas Air Flow. Definitely now got me feeling a lot better about going in the direction that I always really wanted to. Carbureted. Awesome points. Thank you for the great video.
I love the detail in your videos and your honesty.
I know plenty of guys running Holley efi with built blown striker motors that run perfect
I have an 86 Bronco that is a stock efi 5.0
Im in the process of swapping it out to carburetor using a 99 roller 5.0
My main reason for the swap is 1- the wiring is old on both vehicles. And going for a new harness is about 1500.
If i want to add some big power, there isnt a top end kit available for an efi motor.
In the end. The Carb set up is much cheaper. Much faster and easier to tune. You literally need a screwdriver and a wrench. And can tune the motor completely by sound. By the time a guy gets a laptop out. I can have my air fuel adjusted. And be half way to my destination.
As far as the aftermarket efi kits. Like the Holley Sniper, etc. all they are is a copy of GM’s throttle bosy from the 70’s and 80’s.
But without the millions in research and development. Which is why i personally know of 6-8 people that have taken the kits off and went back to carb.
All being from the electronics contained in the throttle body. It sits right in the heat.
Another great video. I like efi foxbodys in stock form. But I recently converted my 82 notch from a 4 cylinder to a explorer 5.0. And 5spd. I slapped on a Holley 570 cfm I had laying around and a installed bcam with trick flow valve springs. The car rips and idle chop sounds good. Thanks again for insight into carbs.
Great video and points brought up, I think it's funny how ignorance has flip flopped from EFI to carb and now everyone today is scared of the most basic technology of a carb!
I'm 51 years old and started out with carbs in my 64 f100 I had zero problems once I dialed it in. Oh and that's at 7000 feet of elevation because I grew up in flagstaff az.
I’ve owned 20 Mustangs over the years. I’ve always found the carb cars to be much more enjoyable than the efi. I had a 89 LX hatch with a Explorer engine down in it. Nice cam and intake with a Holley 650 double pumper on it. That car shook the ground and felt like it made so much more power than it actually was. But man it was a blast.
I love a nice carb setup , it's more simplified. It is a lot easier to solve a problem , unlike fuel injection and computers.which is a lot more things to go wrong .
I was just about to pass up on a carb’d 427 but think I’m still going to look at it at the end of the month because your videos
You are absolutely rightx. I have a 92 corvette which had the fuel injection dameged, I just swapped to carb and voila ! Car in on the road again, no more computrer and optic-crap problems and lot of money for temporary enjoyment. Thanks for the video man, makes me feel that I’m not the only one crazy hehehe.👍🏻
New subscriber here! Nice content man! Also - I'm running an MS2 PNP on my 95 stang, sbe 302 basic build (e303, gt40p, trickflow intake, on3 70mm), and totally had similar issues. The megasquirt was like having to tune everyday. Some days ran great, idled awesome. Some days it would barely start. Now i've done a set of TFS heads, Holley Hi-Ram, and a bunch of misc holley LS components and trying to make it work with the MS2 is brutal. I gave up. I'm picking up a blow-thru set up from a buddy, e85, and no intercooler. Just boost, fuel, and the MS2 controlling timing. For the sake of simplicity (and weight savings!) I am so excited to just get rid of all the random electrical and tuning anomalies.
Very inspiring man! Been so tempted to try a blow thru setup on my carb’d gen 4 6.0 in my 79 Camaro, everyone says “don’t do it, it’ll run like shit”. They said that from the beginning when I did it NA! I think a lot of people that hate on carbs, or blow thru setups, just don’t understand them. I think you’ve convinced me to go for it!
Great video brew2l.. carb life is the right life😎😎.. I have no problem with the carb on my 68 2 pumps and off she go's 💨💨...
I got a 1988 Cougar XR7.... Been searching and reading about the MegaSquirt ECU (This is how I found you) and was thinking about do that to this car. But like you said... I'd have to carry a laptop around all the time. I've decided to just rip out the EFI and do a carb conversion as I know carbs quite well. Love the channel btw!
Been low 4s on a blow thru sbf procharger setup on the foxbody drag car.
I love efi but carburetors are so easy and works so well when tuned properly
Great content man I love a carb also and I think they tend to make more top end HP
I LOVE all thing fox and shop for Foxbody’s on a regular basis! As soon as I open an 87-93 fox add and see a carb I scroll right passed the add instantly.
that's exactly why i went yote swap. Control pack plug it in, car fires up everytime! No phantom stalls. No bucking. No heat soak. It's amazing!!! If I went pushrod I would definitely go carb! Keep up the good content brotherrr
I'm like you, I'm a carb guy even though I do have a couple of EFI cars. All run really good. All street cars. And super charged, some. Keep doing what you are doing.
I like how people worry so much about elevation with a carburetor. Temperature has a way larger effect on air density than anything. And is one that can fluctuate tremendously throughout a 24 hr period.
This man just said everything i been going through with my sniper..i took it off last night and put a 750 brawler on it right out the box first start the 383 ran way smoother idled great..
speed density vs mass air will drive similiarly in 30° weather and 100° weather. Speed density still uses ACT fuel & spark modifiers along with a VE table compared to a restrictive mass air meter.
Your SD setup, if calibrated correctly should fire up in any weather without having to baby sit the throttle pedal.
You're also dealing with the Ford IAC valve, install the GM stepper if you really want superior idle air control.
Carburetors have their place, even in blow-thru, but you get to a limit with them as far as boost and power levels, as well as now having to purchase a separate data logging setup. I've been there with the blow thru, it was fine up around 1000hp but economically an EFI setup just made more sense.
I have friends who are afraid of EFI & have sold everything to put a carb on their car, only because they are uneducated in EFI & don't want to be bothered.
Great Video!! Love Carbs!!
Drove my cj7 all over Alaska down to California over to Montana with stock carb. Sold it in 1996 and bought it back in 2017. It had Howell fuel injection kit on it. All the owners after me couldn’t figure it out . unless you wanted to park at a 90° angle up in the woods then it was great. Also, their service helpline was horrible. The guy acted like I was waking him up at two in the morning and he was bothered by my phone call. I just like learning and figuring stuff out and making sure it runs right. But the Howell system is a good system if you are a hard core wheeler, I’m not, i’m in four-wheel-drive, because I’m in the snow or the mud getting into a hunting spot type of guy. I don’t try to break things on purpose because my objective is not working on the jeep. It’s having the jeep get me to where I need to go. Back to hei rebuilt stock carb.
Fair enough. Finally got the carb on my 71 highboy dialed in nice, coming from neever having touched a carb. After I finished that deal up, i contemplated carb swapping my 95 cobra haha
I love driving a good carb setup. Instant response, literally attached to your foot. Especially with a manual trans.
AFR isn't as important in my diesel though. Drive by EGTs with a heavy load. No throttle butterfly, no spark tables. Fuel quantity and timing is all you've got.
I love my carbureted car..no chip..just hammer down as fast as I can go..only thing my computer does it make the lights work.
Went I got my 65 together for the 1st time after my 5.0 swap I remember the 1st time the secondaries opened up. At that moment I at least thought or felt like I understood what it was about then of course my car isn’t nothing special or out of the ordinary but it was as fun as it was simple.
I have a fox with a dart block 438w with a procharger, have been thru a holley EFI now a fitech EFI and now on order a 950 blow thru , had the same issues idles bad some days some days good just waiting for the pcm or something to go bad and be out for weeks , at least with my new carb I can physically fix the parts and know how to fix it EFI is just a time bomb in my eyes I agree 100 with your reason, and that's why I did the same thing.i had a off the shelf blow thru years ago and it ran better then both efi kits I have tried plus carb don't care about leaded 110, EFI blows out o2s
We grew up with carbs that always got the job done. I personally never was remotely interested in EFI. It never made sense to me that complicating a single job like fuel delivery was going to be improved by adding complexity.
More wires, more things equals more complexity. I will ALWAYS have an old school ride setup next to me that “the powers that be” can’t disrupt my abilities.
Damn kids!
I'm there right now with Microsquirt on3 turbo foxbody. Idles like crap, hard starts constantly something and I had it professionally dyno tuned and still have issues 🙄I'm really considering blow through set up because I've literally been like you , so aggravated I literally want to take it all off just so I can enjoy the car again instead of hating driving it.
I've had my fare share of EFI and carbed SBF fox body's. The throttle response on a well tuned carburetor is so satisfying compared to EFI. That and the simplicity of them will keep a carb under the hood of my 85 GT for life.
The A9L on my 90 is as snappy as any carb that I've driven in 60 years.
Only the closed throttle drop down from 1500 to idle is slower, which I find very good because it never stumbles and dies in hard braking.
Rebuilding my 89 from the ground up and I'm going with carb because of the ease of use. I have had it for 16 years and has sat for a few years after my 302 blew on me. Just look at Andrews setup. It runs like a beast. I have a few questions about my old setup and the new way to go with carb. I'm sure a ton of wires can be deleted but some have to stay. Might make a good video to give a quick step through. Can I email you with a few of my questions?
Bottom line is, what is awesome is making your car fun to drive and enjoyable to you, and not worrying about what anybody else thinks. If you love your car, it's a good car.
I'd like to see you dyno the car once you're confident that your happy with everything. Love the channel!
Ol Bill Hoskinson from Old Man's Garage is high fiving you from Ohio with all this carb talk lol I have a 89 Foxbody 5.0 5spd hatchback with a complete mess under the hood so I'm about to pull that bulky ugly intake manifold out and all the vacuum mess then swap it to carb. Bill just came out with his own carbs too so I wanna give that a try!
Carbs just look cool. A Holley double pumper style carbs have a tough, don’t mess with me look
Absolutely, totally 100% agree with you 👍
Funny this sounds like my wife’s reasons for going blow through carbed on her truck. I had a tuned stock ecu on my 96 f150 and it never ran right. Swapped it to 1995 obd1 wiring and went with MS3 based pimpxshift ecu to control my motor and e4od trans. It does run much better now but still has issues I’ve been unable to remedy. So that put a bad taste in her mouth when she would throw my truck in reverse to take it for a spin and it stalls out 50x. CSU blow through on her truck has been near perfect once I fixed a few things the previous owner had set up wrong.
I strongly believe in carburetors are still good preformers. Just like an article in Hot Rod about a Pontiac engine turbocharged and carb making over 700 hp at the crank. It did the business. I would do a carb build for fun.
I'm using a ProForm carburetor that I modified for blow through on my channel I got a lot of information from hangar 18 and it does work
Glad you went carb! I'm goin carb on my 89 GT. I'm nervous about it as I've never had a carb car. Plenty of carb ATVs and snowmobiles but never a car lol
I am in the same boat ,, 87gt still trying to figure out what road to go down ,
@@chriscolvin2640 my 89 is a roller. No engine harness, no motor no computer nothing. Main reason I'm going carb
I 100 agree we th you my brother,, I’m old Skool car guy here to
The foxes were the very beginning of efi. I can see guys with foxes being up in the air as far as going carb or staying efi. There are alot more issues with earlier efi cars (not to mention the fact they're just old cars now) more so than the newer stuff like say a new edge or s197 or s550. Those things are pretty solid with their factory efi and can be tuned to perfection. That's not the say an efi fox can't but I can see more of an argument going CARB on a fox vs something newer. I have seen carbed 4v mod motors be pretty wicked in race applications. Be cool if someone went carb on an 07-14 gt500 and went with an old school roots blower with the air scoop on top sticking through the hood (the typical one you think of on older cars). Pretty cool. I would like to have an 85 gt to mod. I would swap a 351 and stay carbed. That could be a cool build.
Good vid! 👍
Great video!!! What do you shoot and Edit with?? Footage is clear as heck
This video touched me in ways my wife couldn't 😅lol I now know I'm going carb I wanted sniper efi so bad.
I drive a 1984 ford f150 with a carborator and i drive it everyday for the past 3 years with no problems
I sold my fox over a year ago and went to a newer coyote car. I miss the fox but more so I miss the easability of working on an older car. My next project will prob be a carb’d car. Plus no EPA to worry about shutting the timing down then.
Good video!
The little birdie is telling u to go carb🐦🤣
I agree 55 chevy 383 runs great on a carburetor 😊
So you finally went carburetor ..it's about time ..I hate the fox efi system .
About to swap to a carb on my 95. That way I can tune it adorably. They really are pretty simple if you just take the time to understand them like anything else mechanical.
My Grandpa had a 1990 Silverado 350 engine 4 barrel carburetor it always started up pretty well for the most part that's my only experience with one now as a adult I own a 1990 foxbody lx 5.0 efi and a 2011 mustang 5.0 I wouldn't mind owning a carburetor car if I knew more about them maybe if I 351 swap my fox ill consider it
My truck was EFI, but knew it wouldn’t feed the engine being put together. I went carburetor and haven’t looked back.
Your absolutely correct carbs are grate, i have a EFI boosted 360 stroke foxbody and a 410 stroked Windsor with 850 carburetor in a convertible foxbody with is about 300hp less than my boosted car, guess witch one i just love the most?........THE CARBURETED VERT😂😂😂🤷🏽♂️😎
I like both but I've had issues with both but I totally agree with you. My daily was a old carbed car which could sit for month's and would fire up with no problem and had other ideas but a screwdriver did the job but my eif cars I've had to get a tow truck and then I had to may for someone to work on it. I've looked at swapping a early 90s 5.0 to carb and then GT40s and cam , so any advice would be great?
Im building a patina 87 f150 shortbed and doing the efi to carb swap on the 302 and man the grief i get from some people on the bricknose sites is unreal lol
im definitely going to go to carb, i have a 93 f150 flareside single cab. I love the truck but i cant do anything with it performance wise because its speed density. Im go carb or go terminator x
This is why although more expensive I'm saving my pennies for the pro-m efi you retain your maf and at least up to this point I haven't heard the same idle woes as with the megasquirt and holley.🤷♂️
I have a Carter/AFB 600 cfm carb on mine. Just enough to feed my Frankenstein.
I’m currently ditching stock efi to FiTech. I absolutely love old school look of air cleaners and less wires
Fouling plugs is a pisser. I chased foul plugs thinking I had bad wires and it coil issue. Found out it was the damn plugs. And it seemed like once I started fouling plugs, it happened quicker and quicker. I don’t know if I just wasn’t driving the car hard enough. Or had I developed some other issue.
Fortunately, with the supercharger setup I have, swapping plugs isn’t the worst.
if your fuel pump did die you could syphon some gas and squirt it into the fuel bowl to get home. my 93 ford laser/ escort is carbbed and runs everytime
Fast fuel injection I'm having same issues works great every other day carb going back on very soon
I plan to change my 350 to Carburetor, THEN later I might put a Holley EFI kit on. THAT way you have EFi for it's advantages (3 sensors only and Holley hand held computer) ..
... AND keep the carb! in the van .... So it can be swapped in for emergency type situations!! .. Like low on cash and the van HAS to run? Stuck in the boondocks with no parts .. etc!!
That's my idea anyway .. only downside it's kind of an expensive way to do it ... BUT? I trust Holly was more than anything factory.
Literally doing the same with mine cause all the problems iv had and i was tired of the car sitting
I prefer carb any day I've got a 93f150 4x4with efi eventually switching to carburetor
Yeah I still use carbs in my builds to for the most parts. I'm daily driving a turbocharged bbc squarebody with a carburetor and it's in the mid 20's at the moment here. I also have a couple boosted megasquirt builds too that I've never had issues with those either but I'm a carb fan you can do big power a little cheaper. Efi is always a little more $ you can get a decent carb for about wire harness $ depending obviously
I run a 5.3 with a brawler manual secondary carburetor fires up instantly running a huge camshaft idles perfect I do have a five speed would never go back to EFI
I really want to convert my lt1 to a blow through carb some day. Its only a matter of time !
One thing I liked. About going with the Carb... Blow through... cooler intake temps... For making those passes at the track..
@@shawnlibby675 Ive seen the hottest intake temperatures cut in half after the carb. It’s so cool.
Hi, Did you ask Holley for an explanation why their EFI system does not hold a tune. For the price they charge it certainly should hold a tune
I love my carbed 91 fox.
Will you please make a video on how to convert from e.f.i. to a carburetor! Thanks in advance...👈💯
How much does blow through help cool the intake air temp?
Carb guy here.
Folks just gotta learn how to tune them thats all.
Screw driver and a vacuum gauge all you need for a good tune
I might add a termx someday, but ill never get rid of my CSU 750.
does the car leave you smelling like gas fumes after driving it for a while? that was always my experience with carbs
I have a 88 lx with a b cam. It's a California car and it surges like mad. I bought a a9l emc and did the MAF wiring conversion and it's even worse. Soooo sick of messing with computor stuff. I have always had carbs. But never went from efi to carb in foxbody. Wish I was close enough I could get you to help!! What all did you remove and change out. I want AC and my gauges to work
Damn it. Keep this crap up and I'll be putting a carbed 408 in something. Been on a T-Bird kick lately. 408 TKX 🤔
Why carburetor… Why not… love my Holley 650 dp
Agree 100%.
I made the decision yesterday that my turd is going to be carb swapped. The car has sat for long stretches between problems with vacuum and just efi stuff in general that I had gotten to the point of considering selling it. Bottom line is I’m not a mechanic and all that stuff is just too much trouble for the time I want to give it. I know how to work on a carbureted car so that’s what I’m doing. I’m in the research phase now and will be collecting parts. After I sell off some of the aftermarket efi stuff I’ll break even if not be ahead a little. Not going to hack anything up but the efi is not for me.
Awesome, use the afr guage to tune the carb, afr guage will tell you how lean or rich every circuit, change jets not bleeds👍
Nothing wrong with a carburetor., they have been powering engines for over 100 years. I believe because they haven't been on production vehicles for decades now, some people "think", that is because they are junk.
Carb Life 💯
the problem with the early efi is that there's 15 Sencers that can go bad and there's no real way of testing them. For 8 years, I tried everything to get the damn thing(86 ford f 150) to get it to idol only to find out that the throttle body was worn out and leaking air. a new throttle body would cost more than a carb and intake so I went with the carb.im old enough to have started with carbs though so I feel more comfortable with a carb.
Iam just like you I had got a dss motor I got the trick flow kit and it was good but I wanted to put a comp cam xe274hr then I was told your going to have to get bigger injectors and intake etc 😔😁then my friend told my go carburetor 🤔🤔 I got the EDELBROCK PERFORMANCE RPM AIR GAP ported and a demon carburetor still working out the kinks put a whole different car like wow wow LOVE carburetor but was SCARED because very little know how and not a lot of people know how to work on them 😔😔it's really sad because carburetor is where it started from but it is what it is 😁love my carburetor learning more everyday
I'm about to go carb on my 1990 mustang. Where did you get the intake hose thing?
Carbs alway make more power
I’ve got a 83’ fox body been wanting to switch to the holly sniper efi, what carb would you suggest for the switch?