Does Arishem need a NERF? Best Decks for Marvel SNAP's Giant Meta Shift - July 5th, 2024
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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00:00 - Arishem Stats
01:07 - Arishem 1
04:12 - Arishem 2
05:43 - Arishem 3
06:52 - Arishem Replacements
08:05 - Not Arishem 1
09:27 - Not Arishem 2
10:57 - Not Arishem 3
12:07 - Not Arishem 4
13:48 - Not Arishem 5
14:18 - Not Arishem 6
15:11 - Jeff's Pick
17:05 - Nerfing Arishem
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this is the most intresting video/meta of the year, everything is so messed up, everything works yet everything doesn't, I love it
actually just the best understander of the meta and Arishem's influence
I think the emotes popping up in the video while you're talking were cute, but the sound effects are a touch too loud IMO. I personally found it distracting. Always love these meta videos, and this one was especially interesting because of the insane meta we're currently in.
I hated the sound effects. Found them harsh and distracting.
Meanwhile, I'm playing Mr. Negative because I finally got my gold split on the 14th try. Proud parent moment.
My SP suffered tremendously but Im having fun it's weird
This is the transcended gamer state. Actually playing games for fun.
same! once i hit infinite i really don't care as much lol
On the one hand, I agree that it doesn't make logical sense that Arishem needs a nerf when we don't know how powerful he is. On the other hand, something I learned from Hearthstone is that popularity, not power, is the main reason to nerf something in a CCG. People don't really care if something is powerful but they rarely lose to it - the Namora deck I used to get to Infinite and get my first Infinite Conquest victory is a great example. What people hate is the perception that they are losing to the same thing over and over again. Unfortunately, because people remember losing more than they remember winning, this means that a 50% winrate archetype that makes up 20% of the meta will generate far more anger than a 60% winrate deck that takes up 2% of the meta. I suspect SD will ride out the season and see how Arishem's playrate fares once Deadpool stuff drops, but if he's still prominent, and maybe even distracts from people trying out the new cards, I'd guess we see a nerf with the first OTA. It might not even be a consequential nerf - take a power or two off of Arishem, for example - just something to make people wonder whether it's time to enjoy something else.
I think he'll die down on his own a bit
Popularity is 100% a metric you nerf around, but freaking out about popularity of the most hype card to ever release 2 days later is very silly.
@@HooglandiaSnap oh for sure. To be clear, I wasn't trying to say that I want him to be nerfed. I've mostly been playing Conquest and haven't faced nearly as much of Arishem as others seem to be. I think I've just come to expect people to begin freaking out whenever a card or archetype gets this popular. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often in Snap and the team is so proactive about balance changes that I don't expect them to ignore it for long if the complaints grow.
@@Bishcona I hope so, but I'm not sure. Admittedly, my experience with CCGs is limited to Hearthstone, so I don't have many points of comparison. That said, it strikes me that Arishem is the kind of card that people absolutely love. The randomness, the strong start of game effect, and the way that he alters the deck building rules seems like a formula for a long-term fan favourite. Fortunately, that's likely to continue even if they nerf him, since players remain devoted to cards like this even if they're not highly competitive. Baron Zemo is the most recent similar example I can think of - messing with your opponent is another one of those things that some people will gravitate towards no matter how well it fares objectively.
Yep, I think Arishem is very similar to High Evo on release (kinda ironic since they work well together, as seen in the video). People are just excited over a card who's gameplan is really different than most other decks.
That's why cards such as Thanos and HE stand out, because they're vastly different from other cards in the format which is very exciting.
As you said, I just hope his popularity won't outshine any of the other new cards that'll be released during the Deadpool season.
Cassandra nova existing and free will be the nerf
Great round up as always! Love the deck suggestions!
I've been playing Arishem to farm bios for my favourite character's cards so my deck has no synergy and Arishem is filling in the gaps but it's interesting to see ways to develop my deck. The early Sera inclusion sounds really cool.
I think the biggest culprit here is these 3 cards; Blob, Mystique and Rogue. It's mind-boggling that copying an ongoing will trigger its "on reveal" effect. To clean this, and for the sake of spaghetti codes, they should just delete the ongoing effect of Blob, it doesn't do anything, Blob is either the last card you will drop and it has no synergy with move deck to begin with. The "can't be moved" effect is just flavor because Blob is heavyweight, as if he outweighs Galactus, Infinaut and Arishem himself and these cards don't even have that effect.
Love these videos!
Unfortunately the emote noises are a bit over powered in terms of audio balance
I like Rouge as a tech not only for Darkhawk but also as a statstick you can play on the last turn against Blob.
Which mainly works if you are an Arishem deck as well. The opponents Blob keeps its power and if you are an ordinary deck you probably won’t reach 15 power with your remaining cards.
Excellent review Jeff, totally on point and your perspectives are not only unique but also veritable ❤👍👏🤩
I have been struggling to find a foothold against Arashim. Thank you for some new tools to try. If I could ask a question: how is Cosmo to protect a T5 Darkhawk situated in this meta?
If you expect a tech card out of your opponent, you’re much better off on average just playing the Hawk on 6 rather than on 5. If you find you’re struggling to keep up with Wong, Namora, or other big on reveal decks, that’s when you should play Cosmo. Otherwise, you should just play another card with either more stats or a wider range of utility.
I used a Version of the Kitty+Hawk, but went full kitty build and full hawk build. Cosmo in either a lane that I was going to put Hawk, or in the lane where Thena and Angela are currently climbing to 10+ each felt really nice so I didn't lose them to a Shadow King of ShangChi.
Comso in a lane just gave me more security that I could win that lane.
Also, I threw in Quake for the cube stealing. I won so many games because of her when I could play hawk+quake on 6 because I cosmo'd my hope summers on 5.
I found some success with a hand deleting Arishem deck. This was inspired by your concept of "fixing a problem" that a deck has. Silver Samurai and Moon Knight can be awkward for both players, but since Arishem already plays Agent Colsen and Nick Fury your hand refills very quickly. Plus, Nick Fury with Quin Jet can get out an early Odin to discard even more cards. Unfortunately, it has low cube equity and a very poor mirror match up, so I'm excited to try again when the Arishem hype dies down.
I tried that too. The most fun Arishem variant wound up being half discard, but including Agatha Harkness and Wave. Getting a turn 3 14 power Agatha down felt REALLY good when it happened. The Mirror match is annoying though, so I'll similarly try it again when things die down.
Once the "Arishem and nothing else" meta dies down, Id be curious to see how Adam Warlock plays in them. Its been in my deck for a while and seems great when I draw him at a good time and id love to see the stats on it
He's just going to be dead let's be honest 😂
Black Swan bounce is a blast to watch, but I know I'm not smart enough to pilot it.
I don't think Arishem is OP but oh boy is it not fun to play against the same handful of tech cards over and over again with other wild variance thrown in. Maybe I've just had bad luck, but I've never complained about Loki, this seems way more egregious for some reason, I always feel in the dark.
I get what you are saying about Loki not being optimal in Arishem. I played it because that's just what I was finding and recommended by the auto builder and don't really have time to research deeper than this when I just want to play but it was Indeed not great.
I did leave out Darkhawk though because I didn't want to just counter mirror play.
Another reason I played Loki is also I'm missing some of the other key tech cards. Nocturne was everywhere, as well as Legion but I just don't have them so I ended up with a worse Arishem experience even though I did surprisingly well but I suspect it's because everyone was playing it so maybe skill was just the key difference.
I played that exact clutter deck from rank 17000 to 2000 and it is very very strong but it gets hard to climb with the higher you rank up because it really only ever wins 2 cubes since it is so telegraphed
good stuff as always
This is the sweetest week SNAP has even been. Yet, of course people are shoving Darkhawk everywhere against our sweet new fun shiny toy.
The bounce deck is very fun to play, lots of interesting decisions to make. Ngl, it feels pretty good to drop 30+ power on turn 6, when oppo playing Arishem thinks one big card is enough for them to win :D
I’m just sad that everything novel devolves into a pile of tech cards, especially when Leech lifts his nasty little green fingers.
Kind of fascinating, have we ever had a card release that's had such an immediate and profound impact on the meta?
High Evo and Loki had big changes, but not this big.
The new season climb will be a nightmare since everything is viable and Idk what to tech against with all the Ari randomness. But I've had a lot of fun with Arishem :P
as somebody who wasnt personally interested in playing arisham ive just been jamming pixie asgardians and thanks to rarely running into mobius its actually been doing amazing for me against all the arisham decks. which have been nearly 100% of my matches in gold/infinite conquest
just from own experience i definitely dont see the deck needing a nerf cause its too strong and im sure the playrate is gonna drop, especially with all the mirrors
Cassandra Nova dropping soon for Darkhawk#2
It's awesome how I have played this game for more than a year and I don't have any of those decks
Why do I hear Banjos?
I'm reminded of a recent Ban/Restricted announcement from MTG. Where they said "here's a lot going on in Timeless right now. None of it is remotely fair, but so far, it all seems fairly balanced."
And that's what Arishem feels like it's brought to Marvel Snap.
I still dont quite get where all the stats are coming from. I only play on my ipad. Ive been using a Namora deck with Captain Marvel, and thats quite fun. Still wondering if i want Arishem. Im saving for Thanos in spotlight and Annihilus with tokens…
Jeff, did Snap become particularly hard to get into over the last year? I took a break from it for about a year, and coming back it only took me an afternoon to catch up on series 3, and it feels like there are so many series 5 cards now.
Depends on your definition of "catch up". If you mean getting every card in the game - as always it takes time to get things and money makes it go faster.
If you simply mean play competitive decks you should note that most old favorites like Shuri, Destroy & Discard are all fairly good still. They just don't have play rates to make it into round ups like this because they aren't shiny anymore, meaning entrenched players have moved on from playing them.
@@HooglandiaSnap Thanks for the insight! Trying to find decks I did get the sense they all played new cards, but makes sense that this is a lot of recency bias. I’ll try out some oldies but goodies.
Yeah the constant mirrors and Darkhawk counters kind of dampen the fun and accuracy of how good Arishem is. I’m not sure how people are drawing conclusions from it.
How about this clutter cannonball deckwith the other one Clutter with sersi? Preference? Performance? which one do you recommend? 😃 thx as always
I have better personal results with the Sersi build, but it has both lower sample size and worse metrics on the public tracker.
Blob/ Zola/ Taskmaster seem like great inclusions to me
best counter is cark hawk clutter :D
Breath of fresh air as always Jeff. Seeing other creators just "insert Loki here" playing off against each other at the top 20 is just getting embarrassing and they are becoming less and less relatable which is inevitably killing off their own content. Keep up the good work sir!
A lot of the arishem discussion reminds me of early loki when the people complaining were losing to the mirror and their opponent getting multiple 20 power collectors.
Im not playing darkhawk, blob or any tech cards that kill me and my arishem games go pretty well cause their lokis dont get anything of value.
Finally I am at the point where I can make majority of these decks. This is most definitely the best meta game we have had.
Arishem isnt op imo (or maybe im not good at the game) but he's so damn fun to play
Cosmo,Darkhawk and mystique enough to beat arishem
Its a cool new toy. Give it some time and see what happens. It's hardly a powerhouse
Arishem has killed my desire to play snap because regardless of what the metrics are saying, my personal play experience is "golly I hope this Arishem deck doesn't draw one of the 12 tech cards they can play with the extra energy that makes my deck irrelevant." and I've kind of just stopped caring which is the ultimate killer of any live service games. I just truly don't want to play or spend money because who gives a fuck when I play against Sera Control + 12 extra random nonsense.
Follow your joy, but if you are consistently losing to single tech cards, your deck either isn't very good to start or you aren't playing optimally.
@@HooglandiaSnap in the literal sense? absolutely. In the emotional experience where I'm sitting in while hitting play? Whatever Second Dinner has hoped to accomplish with Arishem has created the opposite effect.
Obviously it's popular because it's new but despite everyone playing a deck with +12 random cards I've yet to play an original or interesting game against Arishem where the player does something creative with their options instead of playing Sera Control with +1 energy.
Observation bias? Sure. 3+ days of playing against the same deck repeatedly with no variation? For a card that promises all sorts of new playlines it has just ended up being the same deck repeated ad infinitum. Part of selecting your tech cards is basing it off of what is meta in the moment and slapping in nothing but tech pieces and letting Arishem take the wheel for the rest of the deck just makes it feel like another Hela deck but with tech cards instead of placement variation.
@@nickbrown7990 skill issue
@@nickbrown7990I can see this, absolutely, but for now I'm having a lot of fun
@@nickbrown7990i mean no shit Sherlock people will obviously use what is working they're not going to be just using the random cards but there will always be different cards being used and different gameplay happening you're just succumbed to the hype of the new card Take a little break cz he will either get some change or his popularity will die down.
Doesn't need a nerf. It's akin to hela..when it pops off it pops off but so many arishem games are literally them passing turns 1-3 lol 😂
Arishem is way OP, definitely nerf him to 7 cost 6 power, lol :)
I got distracted away from what you were saying every time those emote react sounds appeared + now I’m left with the association like someone just Ms Marvel emoted me
Arishem is op guys. Eventually he get will get nerf
That's what the rank 30 says....
@@justinwaller9665 rank 98, ez climbing with arishem
@@Zaheer98981 I mean, I'm glad he's here. My kitty hawk deck got me to infinite in less than a week when I've been struggling with unlucky 8 cubers all season otherwise.
I've found Arishem is great with Dr. Octopus instead of Loki.
Playing more good fives feels really good yeah. Will need to try Doc myself.
loki is core to arishem it won me insane amount of games
Every card in Marvel SNAP can win games. I articulated why Loki is bad in the video. Feel free to watch it again.
I’ve been playing Evo and Arishem, without Loki, but with DH. It’s been great and I’m beating other Arishem decks pretty consistently
Edit: oh, you show the exact list haha. I swapped Leech for Darkhawk
Darkhwak.
Arishem doesnt need to get nerfed....its just made playing against it over and over pretty boring.
As long as Darkhawk exists, i don’t think arishem will be op, because it has a natural predator. It’s the same sort of thing with Zoo and killmonger.
I’m loving arishem. The most fun I’ve had with a card
The only reasonable nerf I could think of for arishem is just making it start in your hand
They can make him add more than 12 random cards as a knob. Reduce your consistency further.
@@HooglandiaSnapThat would make him a dead card.
There are certainly some number of extra cards that make him unplayable. I doubt that number is 13 or 14, though.
Either way, I'm always puzzled by the confidence people like you make statements like you did here.
Sadly while I liked Namora in the deck, one of the few cards I don’t have, and doesn’t seem to have a similar sub function wise.
Yeah I don't have Namora either. But I think Ms. Marvel could do something similar in terms of spreading power; or maybe Doctor Doom
Or Klaw
I think Darkhawk is the nerf
The counter isn't getting nerfed 😂
@@justinwaller9665 True
I definitely don't think we can afford to nerf Darkhawk. Darkhawk is pretty much the only card even pretending to be counterplay against Arishem, so nerfing it probably just turns the game into a 1 deck format.
@@michaelbesser5348 Agreed. Although, even if Darkhawk was nerfed, it probably still wouldn’t be able to stop him. Dude’s been nerfed like, four times
What do you think about Wong receiving the same Nerf as Zabu? Even without the Mystique/Odin combo, he's getting a bit OP.
No stats imply Wong needs changes.
Have we really come full circle on the Wong complaints?^^ Wong decks are one of the most telegraphed decks in the game. You can easily play around him or just retreat and congratulate them on 1 cube.
@@danielb4480 Or run Cosmo.
My Favorite snap moment is when they drop wong on 4 and snap and I'm holding Cosmo and have priority since their turn 4 gave them no power. I cosmo snap and then they usually retreat and give me a free 4 cubes and don't even have to play turn 6.
first ?
If they think it’s warranted, Please nerf the problem cards around Arishem not the card itself. I know it’s too early but here we go
Quinjet, lockjaw, space stone > Thanos.
Evolved Wasp, hulk, thing >HE
Hawk, Blob, mystique/rogue/loki>Arishem
I’m backing up my point with previous nerf patterns. Idk I like the card but let us have our fun with him.
Does Arishem need a NERF? Nah, Nerf Blob and Dark Hawk. What would nerf Arishem? Give it more cards? It would only buff Blob and Dark Hawk, give it less cards? Then that's a buff. You can't even nerf his power since nobody plays Arishem on Tempo. 🤣
Arishem might be crazier than the Loki meta. But don't worry guys, if Arishem is still prominent till next season, I'm sure Cassandra is about to kill this Celestial.
Worst meta ive seen since zabu was -2 cost
not even close to loki week but go off