For anyone talking about the "pulling the string off the fretboard for the squeal" part. Watch my new video about it: ruclips.net/video/ttotdcaKKSA/видео.html
Hi Mike! I've watched your videos about some TAB scores and how bad they are transcripted some times. Would you recommend using scores or better try to guess what they do by ear directly?
Anyone else remember these days just eating all kinds of jacked up? You wanted to assume it was legit but realized it was probably some guy being paid below minimum wage to crank all these books out? LOL
Dude. I was given this book when I was 16 years old. But I didn't figure out that any of it was incorrect! Wow, you've certainly enlightened me! The way you play the riffs certainly sounds heavier! But I did try that 'pull the string off the fretboard' trick more than once. Damn!
I have many of these boojs.played slot of guitar,early to late 90,s.I figured out,20 in 1995 the dive part.back then. And the g with the 3 open strinds,and d chords..I learned back then myself,it didn't sound right. I talked with 2 or 3 techs online early 2000s.they all said,they thought the author of those books,prob did slot of coke,writing the tabs.
You're mistaken. This is the tab book for Pastor of Muppets, a concept album by Metal Licker featuring such hit songs as "Welcome home (Sanitary Pads)," "Disposable Wipes" and "Onion."
what...you meen its perfekt or what...if so,i did not get it. there is all these open e along whit 7freet on a.string"also e" and the say to play it 16times in strait line
You’ve no idea how much these videos have made me feel better about my childhood guitar playing. Convinced I just couldn’t play guitar for years 😂. Thank you, dude 🙏!
I had all these books (MOP & AJFA) and I genuinely thought I was just a shit guitar player. Turns out I am a shit guitar player, just not as bad as those books made me feel when I couldn't get the songs to sound right.
Me too! I had the cunning stunts VHS, that helped me see that everything on these books was horrible, could not get the songs from the video anyways I had to have some help, I only knew something was wrong, then, I noticed they tuned to Eb... and the gates of the kingdom of guitar greatness opened up before my eyes!!! :)
For so many years growing up, I believed that James and Kirk were out of this world being able to play what was stated in the tab books and being in awe that they must be amazing virtuosos.
@@anthonykargoglou7205 there is no such a thing as "ryhtm player", you are either playing the all thing or not. James is just a ok "guitar player" but amazing artist.
Some days I'm happy ya know, life is good and my brain goes "hey daily reminder that the MOP Tab book made the bass solo in Orion labeled as a guitar solo" and I start to choke on pure cringe. I die thinking of that.
“I can’t picture Kirk doing this live.” Except he actually did something similar, on accident, earlier in the same solo. He’s been trying to recreate said accident every since.
You guys are referencing the wrong part he's talking about. Yes, there is a part where he pulls the string off the fretboard on the 19th fret and produces a high pitched sound. This isn't the part he's referencing. There's a part where he actually hits a pinch harmonic and jumps on the whammy bar, and the book says to pull the string off the fretboard,, all the way to the pickup, then hit the whammy. He did his homework.
I love this whole series! Few questions: 1) Who transcribes these books? 2) Is the transcriber a guitar player? 3) Are the people who transcribe this stuff even able to play their own transcriptions? Would be interesting to interview person who transcribed this and just ask them wth were they thinking???
I often get the feeling that all these old tabs were actually written out as sheet music, and then somehow (automatically?) transposed to tabs, which would explain some of the ridiculous stuff.
A lot of the guys back then used these little half speed machines and the pitch would change and then they would make an educated guess as to how it was recorded… it was a job with deadlines. And there were no RUclips videos to reference, and thrash metal was a fairly new groundbreaking genre
@@poopsebeb yeah, i'd figured the guys writing these tabs wouldn't see nor remember how Metallica plays them, that 22 fret solo bit is possibly the fault of that
The "we sold our soul for rock n roll" is full of errors, wrong tunings, missing notes...NOTHING in there is accurate😂 They even have Sabbath Bloody Sabbath in the wrong key!
I am feeling shit right now. I spended hundreds of hours 25 years ago when i was a child to play this master of puppets perfectly as it was in book and now you destroyed all my memories 😂
Oh man, I'm with you all the way!!! For decades I thought I had pure gold in my hands. MOP was my first tab book and everyone was jealous of me, and I could not play all the cool parts right, thinking I had no guitarplaying talent. But now, finally thanx to you (and Ben Eller), I find out I CAN play guitar!!! And I'm enjoying it at age ( almost ) 53. You're never too old to rock!!!
i love these tab book videos. it looks to me that they were made by people that know musical theory but probably arent used to metal and normally doing notations for orchestra or vice versa transcribing classical music or whatever. i think for doing this just by ear its pretty close. their mind in the right place, theyre just not used to metal music. like when theyre trying to replicate a dive bomb without knowing it exists or the high orion bass part that would sound like a distorted guitar
In my black album book one of the tracks had octaves written out as: A--2--- D--9-- Instead of: A--2-- D----- G--4-- Took me years as a new guitar player to realise what was wrong and that he wasn’t playing a 2 fret to 9th fret stretch.
2:59 I remember back in the day a transcription of "Shine" by Collective Soul in Guitar World magazine had a similar transcription during the solo. It said, "Let string pull off the fretboard." I thought it was total crap. I see now they meant to say, "Slide up the fretboard until your finger leaves it." Maybe that's what they were trying to say in the MoP book?
I'm almost starting to think that partly reason for some tabs showing the wrong location of a note is that it probaly was written as sheet music and then translated into tabulature instead of being tab first with the sheet doing the rythm value. Like the G5 chords that are written 300 instead of 355 usually screams that for me when looking at tabs.
Wow, I am amazed that the tab books are this bad. I watched the Nevermind video as well. Once upon a time these books were the only thing available and highly regarded. This really puts it all in perspective and tells me I was right when I abandoned these tab books and decided to learn from other musicians and eventually from internet tabs in the late 90's. I think the problem stems from the fact that these books were written by contracted educated musicians that weren't interested in the bands and didn't listen to the material on a regular basis, they just rushed through it to make a buck on downtime between paying live gigs.
I used to have the tab book for Def Leppard's "High 'n' Dry" and "Pyromania". They were close (especially "high 'n' dry") but they were also flat-out missing parts. I think they didn't even bother to transcribe the solos on a few songs.
No idea how I got this video in my youtube recommendations, but I'm glad I did. I remember trying to learn some of these riffs from the very same book since my local library used to have it. I don't remember any specifics, but I do remember being extremely confused at all of major chords in place of regular power chords. IIRC, it was a repeated theme in even some of the Testament and Slayer tab books... SLAYER! I was just a kid back then and only just learning the instrument, so I was naive enough not to question the tabs in the books. I thought the makers knew better than I. I just remember being extremely confused at some of the chords like "wow, it doesn't sound like this on the record - I guess I must be hearing it wrong". Thanks for taking me down the memory lane, man! :)
I think I like this series so much because it takes so much experience and talent to play something wrong perfectly out of a book just to show as an example. Extremely impressive.
For every video in this series I have learned that I have been living a lie for almost 30 years. Unlike most people (it seems) I haven't realized that a lot of the stuff is wrong until NOW! It's honestly shocking a lot of times.
Yeah.... holy shit... the Master of Puppets tab book has everything played double and backwards.... like wtf... suprised he didn't mention the bridge to Puppets or the solo to Orion...
its so messed up when you consider that these books cost more than the albums, $25, $30, $40.. an they didnt even bother proofreading it. maybe every band does this but its not right. i always wondered what id ask metallica if i ever got to meet them, now im just gonna hand them my tab books and say "dont bother autographing it, keep it."
The harmonic in Master of Puppets at 3:00, well actually the producer or engineer have confirmed that it was a mistake of Kirk but they liked how it end up so they kept it in the song. What the producer (it was him) said about the mistake kind of goes with what the tab says
Thanks for setting the record straight Mike. Argh!!! Sucks that those were the only referrences we had in the 80's. I always knew that those TAB books were more misleading than helpful and not what original artists did.
Hi Mike, I just wanted to say this was a great video. I'm 45 and have been playing since I was 17... I bought the Master of Puppets book when I first started playing. For people who are new to guitar, unfortunately these books can give people a real bum steer and you are also correct that back then there were certainly no you tubes or much in the way of other resources to help people. Not only did I and others spent countless hours trying to play parts tabbed wrong and almost impossible to play properly, we now have to spend time learning them with more accurate tabs fighting against 20 years of muscle memory... it's really poor given these cherry lane books are supposed to be authentic,.
The Master of Puppets pre-chorus is also wrong. I was playing it wrong for years thanks to this book. It took a minute to unlearn the years of muscle memory of playing it wrong.
I had this book when I was 14, still got it actually. Even then I knew a lot of stuff in the book was wrong and just odd. I just played it how I thought it was played and used the book as a guideline basically.
To be fair, I could SWEAR I’ve randomly heard that maj3 in the Puppets intro when they play it live. Could just be an overtone, but I’ve definitely noted it (and even hummed it that way) in the past.
I remember having so many of these books as a kid and giving up on so many songs cause I couldn’t make it sound like the recording, and then as an adult just learning them by ear🤦♂️
Oh, and also... the way they transcribed the chorus for Master of Puppets... I actually still to this day play a hybrid version of the way the book has it, and the way its actually played. Like the part where it shows a full D chord being played... I always kinda liked the way that sounded. But instead of the full D, I leave out the high F# and only play the chord through the D on the B string.
Awesome, I remember learning Appetite For Destruction from the tabs, and being shocked by how differently Slash played all of it. Then I got the GnR live in Tokyo and meticulously watched his hands, and relearned the songs. The tablature and notation is never perfect, but it is very helpful. Just be prepared to read between the lines!
Haha! About Sanitarium. The part you showed. My book says the EXACT same thing. I had a gut feeling that something was not right. Thanks for clearing that up.
I have a similar tab book - has the same thing about pulling the string and fretting it on the pickup. Taught me a lot! But common sense must prevail. I always played the interlude bit from Leper Messiah jumping around, never gave it much though. It's a super fun riff to play - probably my favourite of all.
Leper messiah, the first song they had us play live in music school. I'm excited to see more of your channel. It hurt knowing these tab books were wrong growing up.
3 years later I’m here bc im just now trying to learn it. And man I do remember the tabs of stuff being weird back in the day. Problem is I probably didn’t have confidence enough to believe the writers of the book could be wrong and I was right. Anyway I commented bc of the happy bar chord. I laughed really hard at that. You are awesome dude. 🤟
The major barre chords make a little more sense when you think about how the major 3rd is one of the stronger overtones in the series and and the album's very distorted tone brings that overtone out pretty clearly. It's not pronounced enough to hear it as a real note being played but technically it can be heard so it's not as crazy as it originally seems
The first transcription book i ever bought had "Ace of Spades" in Eb and had clearly been worked out by someone on a piano. Started my scepticism of formal methods on day 1.
I recently got hold of this version after learning from the UK release. Even using both, slightly different, transcriptions, you don't get fully accurate tab.
The harmonic /pick up / dive bomb thing was a mistake Kirk made tracking the solo and loved it so they kept it in knowing that it couldn't be reproduced live. But yeah, I remember trying to learn MOP from this book and wondering why it sounded so shit🤣
Actually it’s misunderstood. The part he pulls off the fretboard was right before the harmonic whammy bar part. You can hear it as he’s doing his phrase.
@@TheArtofGuitar I just learned something. Always thought the part where he pulled the string off was the harmonic too. Dang I may have a chance of playing this now LOL
Won't lie, some of the tabs i've read or attempted to play definitely made me scratch my head. Seeing this and seeing you perform the songs, makes me feel better that, I wasn't alone on the head scratching.
Thank you for these! Learning these songs with the tab book way before the era of RUclips made me think I was really terrible at guitar. The amount of material now available on the net is really awesome - no more frustrating insane tab books!
The ABSOLUTE worst one was Alice Cooper’s Trash album book. I really wanted to learn the song Poison and I had zero knowledge other than tabs…those chords ..were just unreal 😂
I gave up learning to play a lot of them songs in the lid 90s because of that tab book. Wow. I'm gonna go back and learnt these songs now. Thanks for this video. I just thought James had some magic to the way he played it that i didn't.
Anyone who plays metallica should know that most chords are fifth rather than standard chords. So it helps a lot to know that there is a transcription error.
It is books like those that make you quit playing sometimes... Back in the 2010s I had a book with many different songs and sometimes I would find a load of BS that would make my fingers cry in agony.
Love your "shitty tab books" series :) However on the original recording Kirk actually pulled the string off the fretboard by accident :) Pretty sure they also butchered the main Damage, Inc. riff, and more stuff.
3:00 Kirk Hammet stated in an interview with GFPM, in the issue that had "Fade to Black" that that is indeed what happened. He said it was a mistake. He said, I think, he recorded it with his Fernandes guitar he named "Edna", so it may be possible with that. In the same interview he stated that he jammed a glass candle holder between the strings for the eerie sounds on The Thing That Should Not Be.
Dude... that jump in the Orion solo had me absolutely flummoxed as a kid learning these songs. I always thought "why in the hell would he do that??". But I was young and naive and actually believed that the artists themselves provided these transcriptions. (Give me a break. I was really young) So I never even thought to question it. 25 years later, I'm older and slightly wiser. I've worked out the correct way to play most of these riffs on my own, but this video helped me figure out a couple I was still missing.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a Mustaine riff that they didn't credit him for. Over the years they've slowly changed their tune from "nope he has nothing to do with it" to "ok maybe he inspired it", while sounding nothing like anything they've wrote before or since.
I know what it feels like, back when I was starting to play bass I tried to learn songs by reading really bad written tablatures, it didn’t take too long for me to realize it would be better if I just tried to learn those same songs by ear which helped me to develope a very good hearing ability over time.
It’s funny because I have just bought the full set of Metallica guitar’ books (used) in order to have the official way to play everything. How naive can I be????
Mike, the greatest day I ever had as a guitarist, was when my guitar teacher, who I STILL LOVE dearly, was when he told me unless I wanted to get in the music theory, there was nothing more he could show me... I was being a lazy ass and bringing in Mr. Bungle and Sykotik Synphony to have him tab it out for me. When my Dad passed away, he was was there. I was his shining pupil. I think he knew I knew about music theory, before I did. I miss Bob A LOT!!!
Ozzy and Randy Tribute tab book is really spot on its almost scary (its the first tab book I purchased) and my next purchase was Metallica MOP and I knew instantly that it was incorrect. Battery fooled us all because it is almost accurate so it makes you think the rest of the tabs in MOP are good to go.
Had this book and the master of puppets tab was the same as what was in guitar for practicing musician magazine. I had learned most of it a year later and knew it was wrong at 14 and 15 year's old. Great lesson as always sir, great time in life and music that 84 to 88 Era was really good.
@@K1llerTunes Absolutely not! You couldn't be further from the truth. All of these tab books mentioned in this video series were made before Guitar Pro was even invented. The transcribers knew more about notation than tab back then. There are a few factors that make the end result so bad for these books. The first one being "time = money" which means that the company wants the product to be done as quickly as possible, which leads the transcribers to hurry up getting finished and that of course means that they often make many mistakes. Another one is that back in the days of these books, you couldn't just go online and get live footage for how bands played their songs, so there was not as much information like that available. Yet another reason is that sometimes the transcribers working on these books weren't necessarily all that familiar with the genre, which makes things much harder. That fact, in combination with how distortion works, makes it somewhat understandable that they could hear a distorted power chord and imagine that it's a full major chord, simply because distortion introduces harmonics to the sound (check out "harmonic distortion" if you want to learn more about how that works). These added harmonics are in no way near as impactful as the actual notes played, but it's sometimes enough to fool the ear that a major chord is played when it's actually just a heavily distorted power chord. With more experience in the genre, you'd know that, and you'd be less inclined to make that mistake. The bottom line is that the companies selling these books don't really care if the end result is 100% accurate, they just want the product out on the market as quickly as possible to make as much money as possible, and enough people are bying the books to justify their actions even though many people complain. Thankfully, newer companies like Sheet Happens are working together with the artists to create more accurate tab books, but the downside (at least for someone old-school like me) is that they only have the rhythmic tab staff from Guitar Pro, no standard notation.
@@adboss145 No, that's not what they're doing. It has to do with how distortion works. It introduces harmonics to the sound (check out "harmonic distortion" if you want to learn more about how that works). These added harmonics are in no way near as impactful as the actual notes played, but it's sometimes enough to fool the ear that a major chord is played when it's actually just a heavily distorted power chord, and this is especially true if you aren't that familiar with the genre of music that you're transcribing.
i have this exact tab book!!! at first i was impressed at how well set out the book is and then after a while i started finding so many holes and notes that are wrong
Well. Kirk has said interviews that the high harmonic in the solo was made by accident when he bent the string off the fretboard and caught the fret and he never has been able to reproduce it. So that part was technically right.
I've been waiting for this video. Now I know why I struggled to learn so many of these riffs when I got into guitar. I still have the tab book but I might go chuck it in the recycling now. Cheers!
I remember buying a dream Theater tab book of 'Images and words' Most of it (e.g. the Time signatures) was wrong, but can I blame the people who transcribed it?
@3:40 To be fair, Hammett does talk about accidentally pulling the string off the fretboard on the take that made the album. He doesn't do I live. But it's a different note near that part.
Yeah, I had this and many other iconic albums' tab books. In fact, I think I might still have them somewhere. I remember getting frustrated trying to learn some of my favorite songs. It took some time to find out that even though they were the "official" tab books, they were still wildly inaccurate. Goes to show, there really are no shortcuts to learning and mastering your craft.
The book is a suggestion of how to play this classic album. I used to get worked up about how much the tab didn’t sound like the songs, but I also work on ear training. The ears are never wrong. Someone will always show you another way to play something. But if it sounds right to you, it may sound right to others. I will look this stuff up on uncle Ben’s site, but I didn’t take him seriously because well, he loves Weird Al songs
For anyone talking about the "pulling the string off the fretboard for the squeal" part. Watch my new video about it: ruclips.net/video/ttotdcaKKSA/видео.html
Hi Mike! I've watched your videos about some TAB scores and how bad they are transcripted some times. Would you recommend using scores or better try to guess what they do by ear directly?
Anyone else remember these days just eating all kinds of jacked up? You wanted to assume it was legit but realized it was probably some guy being paid below minimum wage to crank all these books out? LOL
Dude. I was given this book when I was 16 years old. But I didn't figure out that any of it was incorrect! Wow, you've certainly enlightened me! The way you play the riffs certainly sounds heavier! But I did try that 'pull the string off the fretboard' trick more than once. Damn!
I have many of these boojs.played slot of guitar,early to late 90,s.I figured out,20 in 1995 the dive part.back then. And the g with the 3 open strinds,and d chords..I learned back then myself,it didn't sound right.
I talked with 2 or 3 techs online early 2000s.they all said,they thought the author of those books,prob did slot of coke,writing the tabs.
2:58 maybe the dude had buckers? I mean don’t get me wrong - ridiculous. Just sayin.
You're mistaken. This is the tab book for Pastor of Muppets, a concept album by Metal Licker featuring such hit songs as "Welcome home (Sanitary Pads)," "Disposable Wipes" and "Onion."
The British version- Master of Crumpets.
The serial killer who uses shotguns to kill women he thinks are sluts version: Blaster of Strumpets
there's a dog obedience guy in Australia called Master Of Puppies - wholesome.
The actual Metallica font is named Pastor of Muppets 😅
The interpretive jazz version - Jazzster of Trumpets
The bass tabs book for And Justice for All is flawless.
what...you meen its perfekt or what...if so,i did not get it. there is all these open e along whit 7freet on a.string"also e" and the say to play it 16times in strait line
@@anderschristensen4072 think its a joke bcs the bass is barely audible on AJFA so it will sound good anyway lol
@@jonaskragt3006 “barely audible” might be giving it a bit too much credit
"there's actually no bass part here"
(angry cliff, robert, jason, and ron noises)
@@AsianCole lmfaoo
You’ve no idea how much these videos have made me feel better about my childhood guitar playing. Convinced I just couldn’t play guitar for years 😂. Thank you, dude 🙏!
Same here, I still never learned a lot of stuff off Justice, I had these books when I was around 15, I'm 37 now ugh. Memories hahaha
I love when two worlds collide like this, what's up Simon!
I got the Death Magnetic tab book for Christmas and damn the All Nightmare Long solo was something to behold
Yeah me too...never imagined that the tab was just wrong, especially after paying all that money for it!!
I was just watching one of your videos and then I see you on the next video in the comment section? Simon you really are the man.
I had all these books (MOP & AJFA) and I genuinely thought I was just a shit guitar player. Turns out I am a shit guitar player, just not as bad as those books made me feel when I couldn't get the songs to sound right.
Me too! I had the cunning stunts VHS, that helped me see that everything on these books was horrible, could not get the songs from the video anyways I had to have some help, I only knew something was wrong, then, I noticed they tuned to Eb... and the gates of the kingdom of guitar greatness opened up before my eyes!!! :)
@@albertosotelo9969 I love Eb. My favorite tuning by far. It's a lot moodier than E, but it's not too low and dark, either.
Me too
It is frustrating when this is all you had to go by
forever shit ❤
For so many years growing up, I believed that James and Kirk were out of this world being able to play what was stated in the tab books and being in awe that they must be amazing virtuosos.
James probably is a virtuoso though
@@turntogod4410 no, even he states they are “ok” as musicians
@leagueofotters2774 he is just humble. James is easily one of the best rythm players ever
Me too!
@@anthonykargoglou7205 there is no such a thing as "ryhtm player", you are either playing the all thing or not. James is just a ok "guitar player" but amazing artist.
Me: anticipating this book to assume Orion bass solo is a guitar solo
Tab Book: does just that
Me: surprised pikachu face
Did you change your name because of Andriy’s video?
@@sleepdeep305 yes
Some days I'm happy ya know, life is good and my brain goes "hey daily reminder that the MOP Tab book made the bass solo in Orion labeled as a guitar solo" and I start to choke on pure cringe. I die thinking of that.
Tbf it's a guitar tab book, I like that they do that because I don't have a bass. I'm sure it's also in the bass tab book
@@logan6576 it is not....
Love this series, this was my teenage years trying to work out why I couldn't jump from the 2nd fret to 24th fret 🤣
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“I can’t picture Kirk doing this live.”
Except he actually did something similar, on accident, earlier in the same solo. He’s been trying to recreate said accident every since.
I read an interview years ago where he explains that. I'm glad I'm not the only one who did their homework.
You guys are referencing the wrong part he's talking about. Yes, there is a part where he pulls the string off the fretboard on the 19th fret and produces a high pitched sound. This isn't the part he's referencing. There's a part where he actually hits a pinch harmonic and jumps on the whammy bar, and the book says to pull the string off the fretboard,, all the way to the pickup, then hit the whammy. He did his homework.
@@jamofx2963 that's why the original commenter said "earlier in the same solo"
Yea you can hear it in the isolated recording. It's the little pull offs after the trem picking (after the first lick).
@@jamofx2963 Which part of the song is the accident kirk talks about? Been trying to find it.
I love this whole series! Few questions:
1) Who transcribes these books?
2) Is the transcriber a guitar player?
3) Are the people who transcribe this stuff even able to play their own transcriptions?
Would be interesting to interview person who transcribed this and just ask them wth were they thinking???
I gotta imagine some can play and that sometimes they're like "Yeah, this'll really mess with their brains haha...."
I’ve had the same questions
I often get the feeling that all these old tabs were actually written out as sheet music, and then somehow (automatically?) transposed to tabs, which would explain some of the ridiculous stuff.
Alot of these books were transcribed by pianists.
A lot of the guys back then used these little half speed machines and the pitch would change and then they would make an educated guess as to how it was recorded… it was a job with deadlines. And there were no RUclips videos to reference, and thrash metal was a fairly new groundbreaking genre
@@poopsebeb yeah, i'd figured the guys writing these tabs wouldn't see nor remember how Metallica plays them, that 22 fret solo bit is possibly the fault of that
No way. It's a clear sabotage: ruclips.net/video/z5rRZdiu1UE/видео.html
Do Slayer's Tab Book. That's confusing for sure.
You’d imagine the tabs for the solos are just like the lotto results - just a stream of random numbers.
Slayers tab book is 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
@@AkkayHT228 And these "official" books just might fuck that up, too! 😂😂
They are confusing properly tabbed
I have a couple slayer tab books and actually for the most part they seem right. But yeah i dont see homie being a real slayer fan...
It's true, if you want to play "Master of Puppets" correctly, you really must play D, the full chord, and also hum to yourself, "How many roads..."
And it has to be the full bar chord, not the open chord.
The Thing That Should Not Be being in "drop D" is one of the most common misconceptions regarding Metallica songs.
I have read many in recent times thinking it's drop D. They must have a really shit ear as it sounds nothing like drop D whatsoever
I still thought it was thanks to this book!
What's funny is it's also not in D. Kirk said it's Db in the Gibson icons interview because they wanted to make it even heavier.
Same with people thinking Pantera - Walk is in drop D, where it is actually in D standard
@@tellemstevedave5559 It also debunks Bob Rock's "theory" that he introduced them to lower tunings.
There has to be a Black Sabbath book that is completely wrong to how Tony actually plays it, surely... and unfortunately
The "we sold our soul for rock n roll" is full of errors, wrong tunings, missing notes...NOTHING in there is accurate😂
They even have Sabbath Bloody Sabbath in the wrong key!
Definitely the Paranoid riff…even Rhoads plays it wrong on Tribute
Internet tabs are almost all wrong so tab books might also be
@@Homie3794 Probably couldn't have played it exactly for risk of copyright infringement, but that's just an assumption on my part.
Like paranoid being played at the seventh fret
Omg you should try find a Van Halen one!! Because I'm pretty sure I saw a bad one in a shop some time, excellent video though man!
God Christ Jesus bless you both, have wonderful day my broskis
@@joshua2400 my parents were killed in a car crash
I am feeling shit right now. I spended hundreds of hours 25 years ago when i was a child to play this master of puppets perfectly as it was in book and now you destroyed all my memories 😂
Oh man, I'm with you all the way!!! For decades I thought I had pure gold in my hands. MOP was my first tab book and everyone was jealous of me, and I could not play all the cool parts right, thinking I had no guitarplaying talent. But now, finally thanx to you (and Ben Eller), I find out I CAN play guitar!!! And I'm enjoying it at age ( almost ) 53. You're never too old to rock!!!
i love these tab book videos. it looks to me that they were made by people that know musical theory but probably arent used to metal and normally doing notations for orchestra or vice versa transcribing classical music or whatever. i think for doing this just by ear its pretty close. their mind in the right place, theyre just not used to metal music. like when theyre trying to replicate a dive bomb without knowing it exists or the high orion bass part that would sound like a distorted guitar
In my black album book one of the tracks had octaves written out as:
A--2---
D--9--
Instead of:
A--2--
D-----
G--4--
Took me years as a new guitar player to realise what was wrong and that he wasn’t playing a 2 fret to 9th fret stretch.
What in the name of Hendrix have you done with tablature?
“The tab that should not be” that was good I had to bow my head because of how funny that is 😂
Interestingly, palm muting all the notes in the first Master of Puppets riff is actually closer to how James played it in the original demo.
I’m glad this guy is getting recognition. Been watching off and on for years. Congrats man!
Yes!
2:59 I remember back in the day a transcription of "Shine" by Collective Soul in Guitar World magazine had a similar transcription during the solo. It said, "Let string pull off the fretboard." I thought it was total crap. I see now they meant to say, "Slide up the fretboard until your finger leaves it." Maybe that's what they were trying to say in the MoP book?
The funny thing about those Cherry Lane books is how it would say in the upper right corner "Play it like it is". Lol
More like,play it like we wrote it.
I'm almost starting to think that partly reason for some tabs showing the wrong location of a note is that it probaly was written as sheet music and then translated into tabulature instead of being tab first with the sheet doing the rythm value. Like the G5 chords that are written 300 instead of 355 usually screams that for me when looking at tabs.
Wow, I am amazed that the tab books are this bad. I watched the Nevermind video as well. Once upon a time these books were the only thing available and highly regarded. This really puts it all in perspective and tells me I was right when I abandoned these tab books and decided to learn from other musicians and eventually from internet tabs in the late 90's.
I think the problem stems from the fact that these books were written by contracted educated musicians that weren't interested in the bands and didn't listen to the material on a regular basis, they just rushed through it to make a buck on downtime between paying live gigs.
Same here.... They were into "boring" music and only did this for monetary reasons.
3:43 or so. I was anticipating him snapping that E string and slicing his finger open 😂🤣😁
I used to have the tab book for Def Leppard's "High 'n' Dry" and "Pyromania". They were close (especially "high 'n' dry") but they were also flat-out missing parts. I think they didn't even bother to transcribe the solos on a few songs.
No idea how I got this video in my youtube recommendations, but I'm glad I did. I remember trying to learn some of these riffs from the very same book since my local library used to have it. I don't remember any specifics, but I do remember being extremely confused at all of major chords in place of regular power chords. IIRC, it was a repeated theme in even some of the Testament and Slayer tab books... SLAYER! I was just a kid back then and only just learning the instrument, so I was naive enough not to question the tabs in the books. I thought the makers knew better than I. I just remember being extremely confused at some of the chords like "wow, it doesn't sound like this on the record - I guess I must be hearing it wrong".
Thanks for taking me down the memory lane, man! :)
Bro playing controller of dolls 💀
I think I like this series so much because it takes so much experience and talent to play something wrong perfectly out of a book just to show as an example. Extremely impressive.
You caught that... much agreed.
For every video in this series I have learned that I have been living a lie for almost 30 years. Unlike most people (it seems) I haven't realized that a lot of the stuff is wrong until NOW! It's honestly shocking a lot of times.
Been there!
I concur...
Yeah.... holy shit... the Master of Puppets tab book has everything played double and backwards.... like wtf... suprised he didn't mention the bridge to Puppets or the solo to Orion...
its so messed up when you consider that these books cost more than the albums, $25, $30, $40.. an they didnt even bother proofreading it. maybe every band does this but its not right. i always wondered what id ask metallica if i ever got to meet them, now im just gonna hand them my tab books and say "dont bother autographing it, keep it."
I'd love to see that lol. If you do happen to meet them, please film it lol.
Damn right it's a series. Wooo we're with us Mike!
The harmonic in Master of Puppets at 3:00, well actually the producer or engineer have confirmed that it was a mistake of Kirk but they liked how it end up so they kept it in the song. What the producer (it was him) said about the mistake kind of goes with what the tab says
Thanks for setting the record straight Mike.
Argh!!! Sucks that those were the only referrences we had in the 80's.
I always knew that those TAB books were more misleading than helpful and not what original artists did.
Hi Mike, I just wanted to say this was a great video. I'm 45 and have been playing since I was 17... I bought the Master of Puppets book when I first started playing. For people who are new to guitar, unfortunately these books can give people a real bum steer and you are also correct that back then there were certainly no you tubes or much in the way of other resources to help people. Not only did I and others spent countless hours trying to play parts tabbed wrong and almost impossible to play properly, we now have to spend time learning them with more accurate tabs fighting against 20 years of muscle memory... it's really poor given these cherry lane books are supposed to be authentic,.
The Master of Puppets pre-chorus is also wrong. I was playing it wrong for years thanks to this book. It took a minute to unlearn the years of muscle memory of playing it wrong.
Man, your guitar tone is amazingly tight, heavy and beautiful.
This tab book made me feel like I was bad at guitar at times.
me too make me can't play guitar..
Thanks for the video. Times really have changed
I had this book when I was 14, still got it actually. Even then I knew a lot of stuff in the book was wrong and just odd. I just played it how I thought it was played and used the book as a guideline basically.
To be fair, I could SWEAR I’ve randomly heard that maj3 in the Puppets intro when they play it live. Could just be an overtone, but I’ve definitely noted it (and even hummed it that way) in the past.
I remember having so many of these books as a kid and giving up on so many songs cause I couldn’t make it sound like the recording, and then as an adult just learning them by ear🤦♂️
Oh, and also... the way they transcribed the chorus for Master of Puppets... I actually still to this day play a hybrid version of the way the book has it, and the way its actually played. Like the part where it shows a full D chord being played... I always kinda liked the way that sounded. But instead of the full D, I leave out the high F# and only play the chord through the D on the B string.
Awesome, I remember learning Appetite For Destruction from the tabs, and being shocked by how differently Slash played all of it. Then I got the GnR live in Tokyo and meticulously watched his hands, and relearned the songs. The tablature and notation is never perfect, but it is very helpful. Just be prepared to read between the lines!
Haha! About Sanitarium. The part you showed. My book says the EXACT same thing. I had a gut feeling that something was not right. Thanks for clearing that up.
ngl i kind of like some of the voicings they've written for "master". never liked crüe, but that extra b on the e5 chord sounds pretty cool.
I have a similar tab book - has the same thing about pulling the string and fretting it on the pickup. Taught me a lot! But common sense must prevail. I always played the interlude bit from Leper Messiah jumping around, never gave it much though. It's a super fun riff to play - probably my favourite of all.
This was actually one of the best TAB books in the day. Even as a novice I realized some books like Iron Maiden were completely wrong.
Leper messiah, the first song they had us play live in music school. I'm excited to see more of your channel. It hurt knowing these tab books were wrong growing up.
I love the bad tab series keep it up
3 years later I’m here bc im just now trying to learn it. And man I do remember the tabs of stuff being weird back in the day. Problem is I probably didn’t have confidence enough to believe the writers of the book could be wrong and I was right. Anyway I commented bc of the happy bar chord. I laughed really hard at that. You are awesome dude. 🤟
The major barre chords make a little more sense when you think about how the major 3rd is one of the stronger overtones in the series and and the album's very distorted tone brings that overtone out pretty clearly. It's not pronounced enough to hear it as a real note being played but technically it can be heard so it's not as crazy as it originally seems
The first transcription book i ever bought had "Ace of Spades" in Eb and had clearly been worked out by someone on a piano. Started my scepticism of formal methods on day 1.
I recently got hold of this version after learning from the UK release. Even using both, slightly different, transcriptions, you don't get fully accurate tab.
This video really changed my life. Up until this past 12 mins I truly thought I was the only one who ever noticed any of this.
The harmonic /pick up / dive bomb thing was a mistake Kirk made tracking the solo and loved it so they kept it in knowing that it couldn't be reproduced live.
But yeah, I remember trying to learn MOP from this book and wondering why it sounded so shit🤣
Actually it’s misunderstood. The part he pulls off the fretboard was right before the harmonic whammy bar part. You can hear it as he’s doing his phrase.
@@TheArtofGuitar Ah my mistake! of course you knew that🤣
@@TheArtofGuitar I just learned something. Always thought the part where he pulled the string off was the harmonic too. Dang I may have a chance of playing this now LOL
Won't lie, some of the tabs i've read or attempted to play definitely made me scratch my head. Seeing this and seeing you perform the songs, makes me feel better that, I wasn't alone on the head scratching.
I get the feeling that they didn't want us to learn it correctly 😅. Back in the the 80's metal was bad for you😸
Facts bruh
Thank you for these! Learning these songs with the tab book way before the era of RUclips made me think I was really terrible at guitar. The amount of material now available on the net is really awesome - no more frustrating insane tab books!
The ABSOLUTE worst one was Alice Cooper’s Trash album book. I really wanted to learn the song Poison and I had zero knowledge other than tabs…those chords ..were just unreal 😂
So the tab book was.... Trash?
I'll show myself out.
I gave up learning to play a lot of them songs in the lid 90s because of that tab book. Wow. I'm gonna go back and learnt these songs now. Thanks for this video. I just thought James had some magic to the way he played it that i didn't.
Anyone who plays metallica should know that most chords are fifth rather than standard chords.
So it helps a lot to know that there is a transcription error.
I love the pace of your videos man they're like snacks
It is books like those that make you quit playing sometimes... Back in the 2010s I had a book with many different songs and sometimes I would find a load of BS that would make my fingers cry in agony.
that's true..😭😭
Thank you for this series. Vindication decades later still feels good.
Love your "shitty tab books" series :)
However on the original recording Kirk actually pulled the string off the fretboard by accident :)
Pretty sure they also butchered the main Damage, Inc. riff, and more stuff.
Yeah but it wasn't during that part. If I remember correctly he pulled the string off the fretboard during the faster climbing part
Kirk did pull off the string, but it was during the quick descending lick before the harmonic, but ur right he did
3:00 Kirk Hammet stated in an interview with GFPM, in the issue that had "Fade to Black" that that is indeed what happened. He said it was a mistake. He said, I think, he recorded it with his Fernandes guitar he named "Edna", so it may be possible with that. In the same interview he stated that he jammed a glass candle holder between the strings for the eerie sounds on The Thing That Should Not Be.
“Ya that sounds really good”
“And this is how it should be played”
“Nevermind, that was terrible”
I learned electric guitar from this exact tab book. Need to go back and brush up. Could play every song in 8th grade. Cool video!
Holy crap this otta be good. Just read the Title this gonna be epic 😅
Dude... that jump in the Orion solo had me absolutely flummoxed as a kid learning these songs. I always thought "why in the hell would he do that??". But I was young and naive and actually believed that the artists themselves provided these transcriptions. (Give me a break. I was really young) So I never even thought to question it. 25 years later, I'm older and slightly wiser. I've worked out the correct way to play most of these riffs on my own, but this video helped me figure out a couple I was still missing.
The same thing happened to me with the led zeppelin bass tab book. Even my bass teacher was confused, and checked it out and saw so many mistakes.
Please make more of these, really brings me back and answers questions I had 20 years ago.
"that's something Megadeth would do"
Somewhere Dave is agreeing with you.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a Mustaine riff that they didn't credit him for. Over the years they've slowly changed their tune from "nope he has nothing to do with it" to "ok maybe he inspired it", while sounding nothing like anything they've wrote before or since.
@@dumpsterplayer5133 yeah but that was a mistake on the tab book not how the actual riff is played
it was a Mustaine riff
Mustaine mentioned that they used one of his riffs in that section so I wouldn't be surprised. I also would be surprised if Mustaine's memory is off.
Also forgot I think he said it was from an earlier song they were writing titled The Hills Ran Red.
I know what it feels like, back when I was starting to play bass I tried to learn songs by reading really bad written tablatures, it didn’t take too long for me to realize it would be better if I just tried to learn those same songs by ear which helped me to develope a very good hearing ability over time.
It’s funny because I have just bought the full set of Metallica guitar’ books (used) in order to have the official way to play everything. How naive can I be????
Idk about the other albums but the master of puppets book has been revised since at least 2009
need to renew metallica all guitar tabs books..😭
I bought mine new back in the day, and I've been playing some shit wrong ever since,your not alone bro,lol.
Mike, the greatest day I ever had as a guitarist, was when my guitar teacher, who I STILL LOVE dearly, was when he told me unless I wanted to get in the music theory, there was nothing more he could show me... I was being a lazy ass and bringing in Mr. Bungle and Sykotik Synphony to have him tab it out for me. When my Dad passed away, he was was there. I was his shining pupil. I think he knew I knew about music theory, before I did. I miss Bob A LOT!!!
Ozzy and Randy Tribute tab book is really spot on its almost scary (its the first tab book I purchased) and my next purchase was Metallica MOP and I knew instantly that it was incorrect. Battery fooled us all because it is almost accurate so it makes you think the rest of the tabs in MOP are good to go.
Had this book and the master of puppets tab was the same as what was in guitar for practicing musician magazine. I had learned most of it a year later and knew it was wrong at 14 and 15 year's old. Great lesson as always sir, great time in life and music that 84 to 88 Era was really good.
I don’t get why some tab books have you do full chords rather than power chords.
Because they are wrong and that's the point of the video?
Because they assume that you are playing alone and wants you to cover more frequency spectrum for a fuller sound maybe.
My bet is that it’s transcribed by non-guitarists using something like guitar pro to translate the notation to tab.
@@K1llerTunes Absolutely not! You couldn't be further from the truth. All of these tab books mentioned in this video series were made before Guitar Pro was even invented. The transcribers knew more about notation than tab back then. There are a few factors that make the end result so bad for these books. The first one being "time = money" which means that the company wants the product to be done as quickly as possible, which leads the transcribers to hurry up getting finished and that of course means that they often make many mistakes. Another one is that back in the days of these books, you couldn't just go online and get live footage for how bands played their songs, so there was not as much information like that available. Yet another reason is that sometimes the transcribers working on these books weren't necessarily all that familiar with the genre, which makes things much harder. That fact, in combination with how distortion works, makes it somewhat understandable that they could hear a distorted power chord and imagine that it's a full major chord, simply because distortion introduces harmonics to the sound (check out "harmonic distortion" if you want to learn more about how that works). These added harmonics are in no way near as impactful as the actual notes played, but it's sometimes enough to fool the ear that a major chord is played when it's actually just a heavily distorted power chord. With more experience in the genre, you'd know that, and you'd be less inclined to make that mistake. The bottom line is that the companies selling these books don't really care if the end result is 100% accurate, they just want the product out on the market as quickly as possible to make as much money as possible, and enough people are bying the books to justify their actions even though many people complain. Thankfully, newer companies like Sheet Happens are working together with the artists to create more accurate tab books, but the downside (at least for someone old-school like me) is that they only have the rhythmic tab staff from Guitar Pro, no standard notation.
@@adboss145 No, that's not what they're doing. It has to do with how distortion works. It introduces harmonics to the sound (check out "harmonic distortion" if you want to learn more about how that works). These added harmonics are in no way near as impactful as the actual notes played, but it's sometimes enough to fool the ear that a major chord is played when it's actually just a heavily distorted power chord, and this is especially true if you aren't that familiar with the genre of music that you're transcribing.
i have this exact tab book!!!
at first i was impressed at how well set out the book is and then after a while i started finding so many holes and notes that are wrong
Youre not hetfield until you hold the pick with 3 finger
Also you play so well and it makes me happy. Makes me wanna get my shit together and practice as much as I can
Well. Kirk has said interviews that the high harmonic in the solo was made by accident when he bent the string off the fretboard and caught the fret and he never has been able to reproduce it. So that part was technically right.
Agreed. I read that in a guitar mag interview with Kirk right after MOP was released.
I've been waiting for this video. Now I know why I struggled to learn so many of these riffs when I got into guitar. I still have the tab book but I might go chuck it in the recycling now. Cheers!
I remember buying a dream Theater tab book of 'Images and words'
Most of it (e.g. the Time signatures) was wrong, but can I blame the people who transcribed it?
Try Evan Bradley’s tabs…spot on (he is on you tube)
I have this exact tab book and that fretboard jump is insane. I was always like no way
Man, those major chords just do not feel right. How wrong is Damage Inc. though?
@3:40 To be fair, Hammett does talk about accidentally pulling the string off the fretboard on the take that made the album. He doesn't do I live. But it's a different note near that part.
Wait, you're supposed to play the intro to Master of Puppets all over the E string? Fuck me, I didn't know.
Yeah, I had this and many other iconic albums' tab books. In fact, I think I might still have them somewhere. I remember getting frustrated trying to learn some of my favorite songs. It took some time to find out that even though they were the "official" tab books, they were still wildly inaccurate. Goes to show, there really are no shortcuts to learning and mastering your craft.
"The Tab that Should Not Be" Lmao 😂 soo good
The book is a suggestion of how to play this classic album. I used to get worked up about how much the tab didn’t sound like the songs, but I also work on ear training. The ears are never wrong. Someone will always show you another way to play something. But if it sounds right to you, it may sound right to others. I will look this stuff up on uncle Ben’s site, but I didn’t take him seriously because well, he loves Weird Al songs
10:38 Rage Against The Metallica
Definitely a blast from a past.
Those tab books were instrumental in my guitar learnings. Well done.
Nice guitars all of them look cool
Look where you are now! Congrats👏