drunkensailor112 Yes, I forgot to mention that. But you can just put a normal CD 32 disc into the drive and it will boot from that first over the CompactFlash card.
Yes most games will work perfect but not all, here is my list of the Amiga CD32 games that works and not work. www.amibay.com/showthread.php?100233-List-of-Amiga-CD32-Games-that-work-with-a-TeribleFire-328 But you can make a switch so that the TF328 will be disabled.
That's not so smart, just put a cable on the two pins and put a switch at the end, and your done, is MUCH better then take out the TF328 every time you want to play a game that does not work with the TF328.
Nice work Dan, I upgraded mine in the same way and it's the one I grab first now for some Amiga gaming fun. I was talking to a chap recently who's working on adding an accelerator to the 328 which would be pretty neat.
Hi Dan , you can disable the TF328 from the CD32 by removing the Clock buffer jumper, just make up a 2 cable fly lead ( Dupont leads male/female) with the jumper on the end and let it `All hang out ` :) the back of the CD32
Hi Dan, great video, love your Amiga Videos. As a suggestion, I think there are probably a lot of people who would be interested in a series of tutorial videos. I know this would be very time consuming, but I for one would like to see things starting from, installing hardware, hard drive options, installing workbench, installing worthwhile third party apps like Magic User Interface, and Games installs. I would hope that as the series built, maybe people could provide additional tutorials such as with specialist apps, like Imagine, or Vista, or programming tutorials maybe. Anyway, keep up the good work
Wow! This is a great add on for the CD32 and really makes it a nice sized and easy to store retro option! Also it was great to talk with you and David at the RCM!!
This is amazing! I've always dreamed of playing Amiga like this! Especially now, as many of my favourite games and shareware on my old floppy disks have stopped working!
I've been using this for a while now as my main Amiga, put the cd32 motherboard in a new tower PC case and made brackets for all inputs. Also got a scandoubler inside the case with standard VGA out and a modified ATX with the cd32 plug on the end (also powers the scandoubler). Looks and works fantastic!
Stephen and his projects were a great inspiration for my own open source project Pi1541. He is an exceptional guy I wish him all the best. Thanks Dan, keep up the good work.
I'm running classic workbench on mine too, it's a nice little card. Have no fear about TF leaving the scene as a friend of mine is picking up the mantle but it's hush hush at the moment. Ps when I met David at the amibay meet he said we should link up for a beer as your in the same locale as me!
Amigas are soooo expensive and soooo rare here in the States. I have been living vicariously through channels like yours and Stephen's. I am really sad that he seems to have up and gone. I used to put his streams on the background while I worked on other projects. Maybe someday I will have my own Amiga lol.
Excellent video. I had an Amiga CD 32 when they first came out. I would have been 11. I remember my dad and I tried to find a Full motion video card for the system but we never could. I would love to get one again, but I won't be able to afford one in ages. I did however recently purchase a Philips CDi. The 210 model, came with loads of games including one of my favourites. The 7th Guest. I used to love to play Theme Park on the CD 32. I stupidly ave it a way to a friend when I was in high school. Wish I hadn't of done that. Thanks to another of your videos I bought Amiga Forever for my PC and have been having fun with that. Anyway can't wait to watch your next video
I've got the sx32 from eyetech. I bought the A1000 keyboard too. I installed 4mb ram, IDE HD, two external floppy drives. I used it as my main machine for many years. Didn't realise how much money they are worth, I'd consider selling mine.
Dan I did the exactly the same thing with a second hand CD32 and used it as a CD external drives were around £200 at the time, so I made my own serial adapter from instructions found on a disk mag using a MAX232 chip very slow but a low cost way to access CD's Roms, 650 MB was a huge amount of space when you were used to using 800k floppy disks, good times :)
I bought a faulty CD32 at a car boot sale years ago meaning to see if I could get it working, but it's just sitting in a box with a queue of other projects I'm meaning to get to.
Could be PSU, could need a re-cap. AmigaKit sell a product to convert a Molex to CD32 psu connector, and also will do a re-cap - if you're based in the UK that'd be really easy.
dan......... I LOVE YOU. my all time fav console ever. i remember giving away my mint condition snes and 40+ games all in its original box including the plastic sleeve to my cousin on the day i got this console.... then the sod sold the snes for £300 and i didnt get a penny lol
6:42 Is not by Hefesto, that's the product name, the guy making these backplanes is called Edu Arana and this is his website: www.arananet.net/pedidos/
You should cover the newly converted cd32 games from laser disc and the sega CD, Road Avenger and Time Gal. Work great and is really fun seeing these on Amiga hardware.
Great piece of hardware. Definitely brings CD32 into next generation. I heard about this product before, but you can only understand its capabilities when see if in action. Many Thanks for another great video Dan! 👌
Dan you are a Legend mate. I see Clink at LGR is taking a break for awhile. Dan are you going to record any new videos over the next week or two? As you, and Nostalgia Nerd & Clint at LGR are my favorite channels for computer reviews, in all of RUclips. Keep up the good work, Can't wait to see you in the next video.
You may even say although Commodore developers saw possible potentials for expansions, Commodore did not realize this till the CD32 came out, with AUX.... and proper expansion to fully fledged system.
My primary computer was a CD32+SX1 for many years. The SX-1 when fully expanded also gave me 8 MB extra RAM, IDE harddisk, and I could connect the two external floppy drives I had left over from my old A500 and a printer. Anyway adding all those extra drives required a bigger PSU than came with the CD32, so I had my dad help me make a cable to use a standard ATX/PC PSU to power my beast of a machine. Should never have let go of that setup, but I was young and stupid... :( What I think the TF328 (or the backplate) misses is a battery backed real time clock, but I know, most people just use their old amigas for games these days...
My last setup was almost the same except it was an A500 serially connected to a CD32. Too bad for AGA stuff, and I don’t miss booting the Network CD every time!
Can you use the Amiga CD32 Controllers on Amiga games - on an Amiga, not the CD32 - and have the controller's extra fire buttons mapped in WHDLoad? That would be pretty sweet if that's possible. I'd certainly love to see something like that for the Atari STe and Falcon030... so one could use the multi-fire buttons of the ST Power Pads/JagPads on all ST/STe games. Especially now that the high quality reproduction Jaguar ProControllers are readily available and not costing the price of a human soul or two.
I've had one if these for a while now and it really does make the cd32 the ultimate Amiga gaming machine. Just need someone to develop a method to reset the console from the joypad and I may never the to get off the sofa again. From some testing just so people are aware gloom as in the cd32 version runs full screen full speed. Guardian and Frontier are a bit faster but still lags at times. Fears is more playable if you turn down the graphical settings a bit. One weird effect I've noticed is in the game microcosm were the mini cutscenes mid level playback way to fast. It's a shame Stephen has left the scene but we all appreciate his hard work in bringing this and his other projects to the community at a truly affordable price. All we need now is a 50mhz 030 version of this card and I think my other amigas would never get a look in again. Oh and Dan, nice video but if you're looking a suggest can you use your contacts to get us an update on vampire? I'd love to know how development of the vampire v4 us going.
TerribleFire did some great work in making this gadget. There is at least a silver lining to the cloud that the Open Source project is no longer active. That is that, on account of the fact it is open-source, a modified version can be made (respecting attribution of course). The amiga a1200 and cd32 use the 68020 (or variant) and that CPU was the minimum required to run an FPU. That thereby allows for new homebrew to adopt the coding style that should have been realised for th amiga. In fact, with some work, it is even possible to put an FPU straight onto an a1200 without using the trapdoor (although a trapdoor is fine too). That means likewise one could go on the cd32 too. The importance is that it changes the "style" of coding (precalc etc). Even a 16MHz FPU (which is close enough to 14MHz CPU) would do something. Beyond that, any CPU or FPU upgrade would simply boost what that does. One of the biggest criticisms of the Amiga (be it 16bit a1000/a500 onwards to 32bit a1200/a4000 and up) is that the graphics became a bottleneck after the CPU is upgraded beyond a certain point. An example is blitter-choking. However, with better coding, this can be handled. An instance of that is the comparison of the atari-ST version of Elite2Frontier versus the a500 version. Modern graphics use FPU calculation to improve efficiency. Commodore toyed with the notion of putting an FPU in the amiga anyway. The addition of an FPU on the CD32 (or a1200 etc) does not deprecate any of the instruction set. If a particular program does not have code for the FPU, it simply doesn't use it and so there is no harm there. Even with simply the 68020 CPU at 14MHz and a (68881 or 68882) FPU at 16MHz, a properly recoded version of Elite2Frontier (which btw has been remade many times for PC etc, so Amiga is fair game), would run circles around the AtariST version. Just respect the Pre-calculations (Z-Buffer, 3D splines etc.) and avoid blitter-choking (in case people have a faster CPU in future upgrades). It would help not only 3D games but also 2D games such as calculus for fill areas and polynomial (exponents) for 2D games or splines (like the road in lotus turbo challenge, or RTS games path-finding or platform games). Some Fourier Analysis could use it, especially in music software. The fill-rate (calculus, polynomials) would improve in DPaint style programs and graph software. Plenty games use graphs. Finding the "jump" path of a cannon-ball firing up and coming down at the same decline and ascent means the vertex of the parabola can be found in quadratic equations. The fastest shape a ball will roll down is a parabola. So consider tony-hawks style skating games using a half-pipe. As for the controllers, it is about time the old amiga analogue joysticlk standard (e.g. gravis) was used wit the CD32 controller bundled with the buttons from the CDTV controller. It could thereby look like a xbox360 controller with the mini-keyboard adaptor on it.
There is already a hack to make the TF530 4meg rather than 2meg. The TF534 was finished but isn't being released at least not until Stephen and Kipper finish that time of the month..
@Jasonsadventures, Thank you for the clarification. Yeah I thought I had the tf534 confused for a moment and that is because it never got released. Basically I was trying to look for it to compare to the tf530 and forgot that it was a different board. I remember now. I would have remembered had the TerribleFire videos still been up. Some videos tended to be very long so remembering a small part of them like that is what I found tricky, hence I forgot (because I was trying to recall other info from the videos). Respecting the firmware (github), the tf530 rev3 allows for 4meg, while the rev2 allows for 2meg (while maybe just maybe the rev1 only allows for 0meg, I think?). Is that right? He only upped the RAM total from 2meg to 4 meg because some WHDLoad users desired the RAM, and they used the 68030 for a WHDLoad prerequisite. I think the board has a lot more going for it than merely a WHDload prerequisite. Seeing how Goteks can be used via an external drive, WHDLoad seems like something which is kinda cool but not mandatory. I think that is where the "FPU fans" camp differ from the "non FPU" camp. If people simply want the TF530 as a "problem solver" to WHDLoad's hurdle, then they are not into an FPU. For those who do like an FPU, the TF530 changes the amiga into something very different, especially for a2000 users who might like to see it used with a video toaster (or renmake of one if it comes to pass, probably via FPGA using framebuffers, custom chips and gate arrays). Generally speaking for a500 machines though, using RAM is important on the tf530 since it had some unsolved incompatabilities (as on github) with other RAM upgrades an amiga might take, and also was incompatible with the a590 which too was a way some people would have an extra 2meg in their amiga. For those people who come into possession of some old a500 that needs a refurb job, installing a tf530 with FPU and RAM on it makes that amiga into an _"Atari-Falcon beater"_ for projects such as AtariQuake if they have they heart set on a machine that uses a 16bit memory bus. I'd guess it is only a matter of time before people start doing that. Then homebrew and demo scene standards can follow. Something else that would seem to make sense (ignoring the vampire, even though it is cool) is for an FPGA cloning not of a 68060 but of a 68040 and that is because the maths library (via FPGA) for the FPU transcendental operations in 68040 accelerator cards *already* can be patched (and has been like that for ages now). It also makes sense to therefore patch the entire maths library for 68040 chips that have no FPU (of which there are a few).
Obsolete, the TF530 officially was a 2meg board but some guys have been piggy backing ram (double stacking them with one pin lifted) to get them to 4 meg, you also need a few wires and different firmware. There's another open source A500 accelerator out there now, I saw it on github then lost it again.. but it exists, it's 4 meg and uses SD cards from what I remember. I believe there are things happening regarding open fpga cpu's but they are pretty secretive projects from what I can gather. That taking down of the videos is the part of this that bothers me the most. There was more useful information in those than people realised. Between a TF530s 2 meg and the open hardware A501 with a gary adapter you can get 4.5meg into a A500 fairly cheaply.
I hope my comment displays, but maybe youtube will hide it for containing a link. Here goes... eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=85395 Regarding the a501 style trapdoor, perhaps you mean this link? I think it is called the "minia501b2" upgrade. As per usual, it uses optionally a gary mod with a500 generally to get the max out of it. It is not compatible with the tf530 though. So, just a thought: Do you have a link to the firmware and info on how people do the 4meg version of the tf530 instead of 2meg? I think, if the amiga (a500) is to have a modern RAM upgrade, if there is any conflict with other RAM upgrades at all, it makes sense to have the modern-upgrade feature 8meg of RAM and just accept that any incompatible RAM expansions are to be removed and cherished in some display case or something (or maybe in a spare amiga). While the amiga took 11meg (is that right, and then the a500plus took up to 12meg?), I always felt (decades ago), since the a500plus, that in order to keep up with the PC in terms of playing games that look like transport-tycoon (because doom was an unrealistic hope at the time, even though nowadays it looks awesome in terms of amidoom), you basically want 8meg. This is because the a590 took 2meg and the a500plus could have 2meg with it to make 4meg. Oh and the a600 was partly a way of commodore saying the a500pus compatible games had new life breathed into them by the a600's similarities in some of its hardware. That means (regarding a500plus, etc), by official commodore expansions, 4meg was a perfectly realistic expectation for 1st-party RAM upgrades that do not _"invalidate your warranty"_ (lol), therefore, it logically follows that 3rd-party upgrades which "do" invalidate your warranty might as well double that to 8meg because *"A"* : Akin to a half-price sale rationale, a computer upgrade is worth it when you double what you had before. And also *"B"* : The PC games like "transport tycoon" took 8meg (even though simcity2000 ran on 2meg without the video-animations). So by invalidating the warranty, you might as well ditch any hopes of compatability with other RAM pgrades, and so you'd go "full 8meg expectation" and be done with it. The point is, with game overlap, 8meg is a reasonable standard (well at least 4meg is for the amiga demoscene expecations which often wanted 4meg, even with just a 68000) to expect. So if an upgrade has any risk whatsoever of stopping other RAM upgrades from topping up (to say meg), then it makes sense to have some jumper on the board to allow for 8meg to be soldered on. I think, apart from the obvious fact that the tf530 is a great little upgrade in its own right, the thing it accomplishes (especially with the FOSS videos that are now gone, which for all I know might be for a good reason) is a way of making the FPGA learning experience into something with a goal. In fact SLeary quite rightly said that learning a hardware description language can help a person be a better coder in other languages (presumably C++ etc). I doubt people would use those videos as a first port of call for FPGA (and in fact, I anticipate simply picking up a book makes more sense if starting out), so that isn't my point, however it gave a very "show and tell" visual goal for people to aspire to. It wasn't some generic set of videos. It instead was very much a _"Look this is a bloody cool thing and it is going to be accomplished"_ journey. S.Leary was on a quest and he was like a D&D character in his videos. I'm not sure what allignment he was though. :D #IncendiaryTerror He did well. He also showed a dirtyPCB style a500 red board that was bloody cool and would be a way to salvaged the a500 chips from a damaged original board. Is it possible to have a TF530 style expansion (like not a tf530) that uses RAM which is less rare and pricey, like say off some SDRAM or DDR 32bit chip (without going full vampire)? Of course the usual slow a590 chips are like those you'd get on the a500 mobo or on a 486 SIMM or old ISA graphics cards or (presuming they are matched 16bit to become 32bit) EDO banks. I mean, I imagine hte tf530 (or whatever upgrade) would expect only one type of RAM chip so as to have a "known quantity" but surely, considering it is all made of bits soldered and desoldered anyway, why not opt for say a crucial memory DDR (like say a 266 pc2100 or a pc2700 or a pc3200) of a known code number of say a 128meg (or 256meg?) bank containing 8meg chip modules and simply take a 8meg chip off that bank and be done with it? I mean literally desolder the actual chip? You'd get sixteen of the 8meg chips on one DDR bank and so that would be sixteen TF530 (or whatever) accelerators completed, each with 8meg on them. In fact, just to be on the safe side, the design could account for the major brands, just to make sure there was always RAM abundant. So like you could have one code (for a bank) from each of crucial and kingston and corsair.
All of Jay Miner's computer platforms started out as intending to be gaming consoles. And each of their last systems were game systems... not just the Amiga CD32 but also the Atari XE Game System before it. One could argue the Commodore 64 is no different since Commodore - ahem, MOS - originally intended to sell its VIC-II graphics chip to game console makers. Hmmm. Looks like the Amiga CD32's back panel expansion slot influenced Sony's similar on the original fat Playstation2. That's rather cool to assume, especially since the PS2's case design was also influenced by the unreleased Atari Falcon040's case.
cool with the price difference between the Amiga 1200 and the CD 32 with the cd 32 being 1/10th of the cost on E-bay I'm super interested in this as was wanting a gaming Amiga but on a budget
Seriously thinking about getting one of these expansion boards-oh,and a CD32 to plug it into! I like the cf card drive using sd cards. BTW how does Alien Breed 3D run with the expansion?
I need to recap my cd32, but it's getting hard to find someone that would do that in Portugal :/ But after that, this is the way to go :) Great video, I'll be checking out other Amiga content on your channel. Cheers!!
Hey guys, is there a way to make CD32 games run full screen? That's what I want to fix most about the console. I play on my TV and the small screen looks bad compared to other consoles
Will that Tiny Launcher only boot ADF files? Or will it boot the thousands of homebrew CD32 ISOs that I've got as well? There almost all under 30MB each (the larger portion barely tipping the scales at 1MB), so not worth burning to disc individually. A multigame loader for all of them would be super useful.
HA! Stag, I forgot about them. Very educational material at the time. How is the Amiga holding up (age)? I am not talking about the games but the actual hardware, caps, leaks, rust, etc
Only thing you need to change in old electrical equipment is the capacitors / caps every 10 years and probably the power supply when they fail, everything else should last a life time
Even the power supply is mostly a recap job. Just need to be super careful because of the mains voltage levels involved, might be worth getting that serviced by a professional. most stock Amigas didn't have a realtime clock so there's no battery on the mainboard, but some might have one on a trapdoor card. Leaks are mostly an issue confined to big box Amigas.
can you help me? I have a old commadore amiga cd32 it has composite and svhs out I have a smart samsung hdtv. which way is best to connect it up composite yellow and 2 phono audio cables to the tv or get a upscaler device but some seem cheap Chinese crap, I did try to connect svhs but all I get is a black and white image on screen. my samsung tv has an external adapter cable input with a scart socket as well as a 3.5 jack with 3 phono cable adapter. but again s-video is just black and white for some reason I tryed and old plasma tv that has scart socket and s-video is still black and white so whats best way to connect. I currently can connect composite direct to the tv with a scart adapter but have thought is a upscaler device better quality ? and what about s-video?
Hey Dan. Is there an easy way to get the CF card set up for this? Have owned a TF328 for months and done nothing with it because I can't figure the thing out. Even bought a CF with Workbench pre-installed, which boots great on the CD32, but can't be read by a PC or my A1200, so I can't transfer games to it. Really tearing my hair out here!
Hello Dan, Which method did you use in order to prepare the CF card ? I've followed several tutorials who were describing how to do that from WinUAE, but I've never managed to make a card who works correctly on my CD32 ... Thanks !
Hey Mr. Wood, I got myself a CD32 off eBay, but I'm not sure which region it is (the seller oddly didn't know). Do you know how I can tell if it's PAL or NTSC? I'd rather not plug the thing in and fry it if the voltage isn't right for my region.
Hello. I see you know a lot about the Amiga cd 32. Tell me, what is its maximum disk reading speed? What speed is best to burn games to CD? Thank you in advance!
I'm not a troll, this is an honest question: Does it make sense to mod an ACD32 this way if you already have an Amiga 1200 with SSD HD +Firm 3.2+AmigaOS 3.2+ WHLoad with tons of games and demos? For me, that I own both (A1200 an ACD32), it would be perfect to have an ODE for ACD32. To have full access to ACD32 catalog from its native hardware, and A1200 for anything else. Recommendations are welcome.
V4 work started in 2016, I am getting my prototype as its on the way for testing. I actually got a Morphos Dual PPC G5 it is really great. I hope Tabor comes out soon.
It's an accelerator right now as it builds on the V2 core work. I think what you are talking about the original called Phoenix, That was since redone as V4. The goal is a standalone eventually.
Wish I had seen this earlier, can you still get these? I have 2 CD32's and SX1. one cd drive don't boot games, will FMV card still work? I have one. Or can I setup my SX1 with the same IDE sd card adapter? With that menu to play games? Thanks
I still kind of find i weird today, Amiga games on CD, but were oly ports with enhances audio CD tracks only.. Net effect, is most CD usage were wasted.. only for a slightly better graphics and audio.. I know technically it wasn't possible and even if is was, to fill a CD 650MB of game, there'd be allot more loading time, but still. Compared today, where the CD's are actually 650MB loaded up and not just 62MB on a CD.
The riser card is not part of the TF328, but very useful expansions by themselves. Anyway, if I had the skills, I'd add an RTC to the TF328 (or the riser board), just to have a full feature desktop computer. I used to have an SX1, but more wants more, so I was dreaming of an SX32 Pro of course... it was just too expensive.
Then build Ethernet into those peripherals? Personally I'd love to avoid the batteries too, but to do that you need to use either GPS, long wave or internet...
Can I still play amiga 32 games with this installed?
drunkensailor112 Yes, I forgot to mention that. But you can just put a normal CD 32 disc into the drive and it will boot from that first over the CompactFlash card.
Dan Wood - kookytech.net sounds too good to be true. I will be buying one right now!
Yes most games will work perfect but not all, here is my list of the Amiga CD32 games that works and not work.
www.amibay.com/showthread.php?100233-List-of-Amiga-CD32-Games-that-work-with-a-TeribleFire-328
But you can make a switch so that the TF328 will be disabled.
most work, but for those that don't just remove the expansion module.
That's not so smart, just put a cable on the two pins and put a switch at the end, and your done, is MUCH better then take out the TF328 every time you want to play a game that does not work with the TF328.
been waiting for this one. great stuff Dan !
Nice work Dan, I upgraded mine in the same way and it's the one I grab first now for some Amiga gaming fun. I was talking to a chap recently who's working on adding an accelerator to the 328 which would be pretty neat.
Hi Dan , you can disable the TF328 from the CD32 by removing the Clock buffer jumper, just make up a 2 cable fly lead ( Dupont leads male/female) with the jumper on the end and let it `All hang out ` :) the back of the CD32
Hi Dan, great video, love your Amiga Videos. As a suggestion, I think there are probably a lot of people who would be interested in a series of tutorial videos. I know this would be very time consuming, but I for one would like to see things starting from, installing hardware, hard drive options, installing workbench, installing worthwhile third party apps like Magic User Interface, and Games installs. I would hope that as the series built, maybe people could provide additional tutorials such as with specialist apps, like Imagine, or Vista, or programming tutorials maybe. Anyway, keep up the good work
Wow! This is a great add on for the CD32 and really makes it a nice sized and easy to store retro option! Also it was great to talk with you and David at the RCM!!
If anything, keeping this on repeat throughout a day is enough to keep me happy.
This is amazing! I've always dreamed of playing Amiga like this! Especially now, as many of my favourite games and shareware on my old floppy disks have stopped working!
I've been using this for a while now as my main Amiga, put the cd32 motherboard in a new tower PC case and made brackets for all inputs. Also got a scandoubler inside the case with standard VGA out and a modified ATX with the cd32 plug on the end (also powers the scandoubler). Looks and works fantastic!
Stephen and his projects were a great inspiration for my own open source project Pi1541. He is an exceptional guy I wish him all the best. Thanks Dan, keep up the good work.
I'm running classic workbench on mine too, it's a nice little card. Have no fear about TF leaving the scene as a friend of mine is picking up the mantle but it's hush hush at the moment. Ps when I met David at the amibay meet he said we should link up for a beer as your in the same locale as me!
Wow. With this you don't even need an amiga 1200 anymore.
Amigas are soooo expensive and soooo rare here in the States. I have been living vicariously through channels like yours and Stephen's. I am really sad that he seems to have up and gone. I used to put his streams on the background while I worked on other projects.
Maybe someday I will have my own Amiga lol.
Excellent video. I had an Amiga CD 32 when they first came out. I would have been 11. I remember my dad and I tried to find a Full motion video card for the system but we never could. I would love to get one again, but I won't be able to afford one in ages. I did however recently purchase a Philips CDi. The 210 model, came with loads of games including one of my favourites. The 7th Guest. I used to love to play Theme Park on the CD 32. I stupidly ave it a way to a friend when I was in high school. Wish I hadn't of done that. Thanks to another of your videos I bought Amiga Forever for my PC and have been having fun with that. Anyway can't wait to watch your next video
I've got the sx32 from eyetech. I bought the A1000 keyboard too. I installed 4mb ram, IDE HD, two external floppy drives. I used it as my main machine for many years. Didn't realise how much money they are worth, I'd consider selling mine.
I have a couple of these units.. the Kippa modified version and the standard TF328, I've yet to set them up I will do so now!
I had the Full Motion Video Expansion, came with Star Trek 6 if i recall.
I got black rain with mine still have it running
Dan I did the exactly the same thing with a second hand CD32 and used it as a CD external drives were around £200 at the time, so I made my own serial adapter from instructions found on a disk mag using a MAX232 chip very slow but a low cost way to access CD's Roms, 650 MB was a huge amount of space when you were used to using 800k floppy disks, good times :)
I bought a faulty CD32 at a car boot sale years ago meaning to see if I could get it working, but it's just sitting in a box with a queue of other projects I'm meaning to get to.
Chalky i know that feel
Could be PSU, could need a re-cap. AmigaKit sell a product to convert a Molex to CD32 psu connector, and also will do a re-cap - if you're based in the UK that'd be really easy.
dan......... I LOVE YOU. my all time fav console ever. i remember giving away my mint condition snes and 40+ games all in its original box including the plastic sleeve to my cousin on the day i got this console.... then the sod sold the snes for £300 and i didnt get a penny lol
Wow this is exactly what I’ve wanted for ages! Never heard of this before!
I really want a CD32, such a great way to play my Amiga games with this expansion. 🙏🏻
6:42 Is not by Hefesto, that's the product name, the guy making these backplanes is called Edu Arana and this is his website: www.arananet.net/pedidos/
hey dan, great vid.. nice to see you back
Oh man did i laugh when those Stag demo`s showed up on the screen.. Memories came flooding back.. Nice memories :D
Same setup here...... those pads from Mick are the business.
There’s a couple of caps in the pcb in the audio section on these which are wired in reverse from factory.
Dan, if you press and hold up in tiny launcher you can select games via letters
Now this is right up my alley!!!!
You should cover the newly converted cd32 games from laser disc and the sega CD, Road Avenger and Time Gal. Work great and is really fun seeing these on Amiga hardware.
Great piece of hardware. Definitely brings CD32 into next generation. I heard about this product before, but you can only understand its capabilities when see if in action. Many Thanks for another great video Dan! 👌
14:12 Which is why, of course, it's such a tragedy that no Amiga ever came with fast RAM as standard.
A3000 and A4000 both had fast RAM
I stand corrected. I was thinking of the consumer level Amigas, obviously.
Yes a standard non fast ram Amiga is a bit like trying to run in quicksand with concrete wellies on
those beautiful stag floppies. good times
Dan you are a Legend mate. I see Clink at LGR is taking a break for awhile. Dan are you going to record any new videos over the next week or two? As you, and Nostalgia Nerd & Clint at LGR are my favorite channels for computer reviews, in all of RUclips. Keep up the good work, Can't wait to see you in the next video.
Take a look at retromancave too
And also, really sad to see Stephen at Terrible Fire go, his live streams were great and informative, he gave us some fantastic stuff!
Seems to be a must have for the CD32!
You may even say although Commodore developers saw possible potentials for expansions, Commodore did not realize this till the CD32 came out, with AUX.... and proper expansion to fully fledged system.
Not having a slot for an accelerator really limited the SX-1; if you can find one, replace the 3.0 Kickstart ROM with a 3.1.
You amiga guys are so funny. However, you guys have legit passion and skills, and that I absolutely respect.
Very interesting! And you're right, please bring more stuff about the CD32 and its games!
Kudos to being one of the other 12 guys to own this system.
My primary computer was a CD32+SX1 for many years.
The SX-1 when fully expanded also gave me 8 MB extra RAM, IDE harddisk, and I could connect the two external floppy drives I had left over from my old A500 and a printer. Anyway adding all those extra drives required a bigger PSU than came with the CD32, so I had my dad help me make a cable to use a standard ATX/PC PSU to power my beast of a machine.
Should never have let go of that setup, but I was young and stupid... :(
What I think the TF328 (or the backplate) misses is a battery backed real time clock, but I know, most people just use their old amigas for games these days...
Always a pleasure watching your Amiga videos. Keep them coming :-)
Great vid Dan thanks for showing looks ace
May have to dig out my CD32 and pick one of these up. Total new lease of life for the system.
My last setup was almost the same except it was an A500 serially connected to a CD32. Too bad for AGA stuff, and I don’t miss booting the Network CD every time!
Can you use the Amiga CD32 Controllers on Amiga games - on an Amiga, not the CD32 - and have the controller's extra fire buttons mapped in WHDLoad? That would be pretty sweet if that's possible.
I'd certainly love to see something like that for the Atari STe and Falcon030... so one could use the multi-fire buttons of the ST Power Pads/JagPads on all ST/STe games. Especially now that the high quality reproduction Jaguar ProControllers are readily available and not costing the price of a human soul or two.
I really enjoy listening to you talk about all this stuff but I really struggle to ignore the soundtrack in the background.
Noted, think I had it a bit loud in this vid.
I've had one if these for a while now and it really does make the cd32 the ultimate Amiga gaming machine. Just need someone to develop a method to reset the console from the joypad and I may never the to get off the sofa again.
From some testing just so people are aware gloom as in the cd32 version runs full screen full speed. Guardian and Frontier are a bit faster but still lags at times. Fears is more playable if you turn down the graphical settings a bit. One weird effect I've noticed is in the game microcosm were the mini cutscenes mid level playback way to fast.
It's a shame Stephen has left the scene but we all appreciate his hard work in bringing this and his other projects to the community at a truly affordable price.
All we need now is a 50mhz 030 version of this card and I think my other amigas would never get a look in again.
Oh and Dan, nice video but if you're looking a suggest can you use your contacts to get us an update on vampire? I'd love to know how development of the vampire v4 us going.
I still have a SX-1, no CD 32 though.
I may sell it now.
I’ve still have my SX-1 and CD 32. Even rarer still is my FMV video cartridge. I still use it when playing Video CDs.
I only had the Stag demos for the scrolling text story. 😂
TerribleFire did some great work in making this gadget. There is at least a silver lining to the cloud that the Open Source project is no longer active. That is that, on account of the fact it is open-source, a modified version can be made (respecting attribution of course). The amiga a1200 and cd32 use the 68020 (or variant) and that CPU was the minimum required to run an FPU. That thereby allows for new homebrew to adopt the coding style that should have been realised for th amiga. In fact, with some work, it is even possible to put an FPU straight onto an a1200 without using the trapdoor (although a trapdoor is fine too). That means likewise one could go on the cd32 too. The importance is that it changes the "style" of coding (precalc etc). Even a 16MHz FPU (which is close enough to 14MHz CPU) would do something. Beyond that, any CPU or FPU upgrade would simply boost what that does.
One of the biggest criticisms of the Amiga (be it 16bit a1000/a500 onwards to 32bit a1200/a4000 and up) is that the graphics became a bottleneck after the CPU is upgraded beyond a certain point. An example is blitter-choking. However, with better coding, this can be handled. An instance of that is the comparison of the atari-ST version of Elite2Frontier versus the a500 version. Modern graphics use FPU calculation to improve efficiency. Commodore toyed with the notion of putting an FPU in the amiga anyway. The addition of an FPU on the CD32 (or a1200 etc) does not deprecate any of the instruction set. If a particular program does not have code for the FPU, it simply doesn't use it and so there is no harm there.
Even with simply the 68020 CPU at 14MHz and a (68881 or 68882) FPU at 16MHz, a properly recoded version of Elite2Frontier (which btw has been remade many times for PC etc, so Amiga is fair game), would run circles around the AtariST version. Just respect the Pre-calculations (Z-Buffer, 3D splines etc.) and avoid blitter-choking (in case people have a faster CPU in future upgrades). It would help not only 3D games but also 2D games such as calculus for fill areas and polynomial (exponents) for 2D games or splines (like the road in lotus turbo challenge, or RTS games path-finding or platform games). Some Fourier Analysis could use it, especially in music software. The fill-rate (calculus, polynomials) would improve in DPaint style programs and graph software. Plenty games use graphs. Finding the "jump" path of a cannon-ball firing up and coming down at the same decline and ascent means the vertex of the parabola can be found in quadratic equations. The fastest shape a ball will roll down is a parabola. So consider tony-hawks style skating games using a half-pipe.
As for the controllers, it is about time the old amiga analogue joysticlk standard (e.g. gravis) was used wit the CD32 controller bundled with the buttons from the CDTV controller. It could thereby look like a xbox360 controller with the mini-keyboard adaptor on it.
There is already a hack to make the TF530 4meg rather than 2meg. The TF534 was finished but isn't being released at least not until Stephen and Kipper finish that time of the month..
@Jasonsadventures, Thank you for the clarification. Yeah I thought I had the tf534 confused for a moment and that is because it never got released. Basically I was trying to look for it to compare to the tf530 and forgot that it was a different board. I remember now. I would have remembered had the TerribleFire videos still been up. Some videos tended to be very long so remembering a small part of them like that is what I found tricky, hence I forgot (because I was trying to recall other info from the videos).
Respecting the firmware (github), the tf530 rev3 allows for 4meg, while the rev2 allows for 2meg (while maybe just maybe the rev1 only allows for 0meg, I think?). Is that right? He only upped the RAM total from 2meg to 4 meg because some WHDLoad users desired the RAM, and they used the 68030 for a WHDLoad prerequisite.
I think the board has a lot more going for it than merely a WHDload prerequisite. Seeing how Goteks can be used via an external drive, WHDLoad seems like something which is kinda cool but not mandatory. I think that is where the "FPU fans" camp differ from the "non FPU" camp. If people simply want the TF530 as a "problem solver" to WHDLoad's hurdle, then they are not into an FPU. For those who do like an FPU, the TF530 changes the amiga into something very different, especially for a2000 users who might like to see it used with a video toaster (or renmake of one if it comes to pass, probably via FPGA using framebuffers, custom chips and gate arrays).
Generally speaking for a500 machines though, using RAM is important on the tf530 since it had some unsolved incompatabilities (as on github) with other RAM upgrades an amiga might take, and also was incompatible with the a590 which too was a way some people would have an extra 2meg in their amiga.
For those people who come into possession of some old a500 that needs a refurb job, installing a tf530 with FPU and RAM on it makes that amiga into an _"Atari-Falcon beater"_ for projects such as AtariQuake if they have they heart set on a machine that uses a 16bit memory bus. I'd guess it is only a matter of time before people start doing that. Then homebrew and demo scene standards can follow.
Something else that would seem to make sense (ignoring the vampire, even though it is cool) is for an FPGA cloning not of a 68060 but of a 68040 and that is because the maths library (via FPGA) for the FPU transcendental operations in 68040 accelerator cards *already* can be patched (and has been like that for ages now). It also makes sense to therefore patch the entire maths library for 68040 chips that have no FPU (of which there are a few).
Obsolete, the TF530 officially was a 2meg board but some guys have been piggy backing ram (double stacking them with one pin lifted) to get them to 4 meg, you also need a few wires and different firmware. There's another open source A500 accelerator out there now, I saw it on github then lost it again.. but it exists, it's 4 meg and uses SD cards from what I remember. I believe there are things happening regarding open fpga cpu's but they are pretty secretive projects from what I can gather. That taking down of the videos is the part of this that bothers me the most. There was more useful information in those than people realised. Between a TF530s 2 meg and the open hardware A501 with a gary adapter you can get 4.5meg into a A500 fairly cheaply.
I hope my comment displays, but maybe youtube will hide it for containing a link. Here goes...
eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=85395
Regarding the a501 style trapdoor, perhaps you mean this link? I think it is called the "minia501b2" upgrade. As per usual, it uses optionally a gary mod with a500 generally to get the max out of it. It is not compatible with the tf530 though.
So, just a thought: Do you have a link to the firmware and info on how people do the 4meg version of the tf530 instead of 2meg?
I think, if the amiga (a500) is to have a modern RAM upgrade, if there is any conflict with other RAM upgrades at all, it makes sense to have the modern-upgrade feature 8meg of RAM and just accept that any incompatible RAM expansions are to be removed and cherished in some display case or something (or maybe in a spare amiga). While the amiga took 11meg (is that right, and then the a500plus took up to 12meg?), I always felt (decades ago), since the a500plus, that in order to keep up with the PC in terms of playing games that look like transport-tycoon (because doom was an unrealistic hope at the time, even though nowadays it looks awesome in terms of amidoom), you basically want 8meg. This is because the a590 took 2meg and the a500plus could have 2meg with it to make 4meg. Oh and the a600 was partly a way of commodore saying the a500pus compatible games had new life breathed into them by the a600's similarities in some of its hardware. That means (regarding a500plus, etc), by official commodore expansions, 4meg was a perfectly realistic expectation for 1st-party RAM upgrades that do not _"invalidate your warranty"_ (lol), therefore, it logically follows that 3rd-party upgrades which "do" invalidate your warranty might as well double that to 8meg because *"A"* : Akin to a half-price sale rationale, a computer upgrade is worth it when you double what you had before. And also *"B"* : The PC games like "transport tycoon" took 8meg (even though simcity2000 ran on 2meg without the video-animations). So by invalidating the warranty, you might as well ditch any hopes of compatability with other RAM pgrades, and so you'd go "full 8meg expectation" and be done with it. The point is, with game overlap, 8meg is a reasonable standard (well at least 4meg is for the amiga demoscene expecations which often wanted 4meg, even with just a 68000) to expect. So if an upgrade has any risk whatsoever of stopping other RAM upgrades from topping up (to say meg), then it makes sense to have some jumper on the board to allow for 8meg to be soldered on.
I think, apart from the obvious fact that the tf530 is a great little upgrade in its own right, the thing it accomplishes (especially with the FOSS videos that are now gone, which for all I know might be for a good reason) is a way of making the FPGA learning experience into something with a goal. In fact SLeary quite rightly said that learning a hardware description language can help a person be a better coder in other languages (presumably C++ etc). I doubt people would use those videos as a first port of call for FPGA (and in fact, I anticipate simply picking up a book makes more sense if starting out), so that isn't my point, however it gave a very "show and tell" visual goal for people to aspire to. It wasn't some generic set of videos. It instead was very much a _"Look this is a bloody cool thing and it is going to be accomplished"_ journey.
S.Leary was on a quest and he was like a D&D character in his videos. I'm not sure what allignment he was though. :D #IncendiaryTerror
He did well. He also showed a dirtyPCB style a500 red board that was bloody cool and would be a way to salvaged the a500 chips from a damaged original board.
Is it possible to have a TF530 style expansion (like not a tf530) that uses RAM which is less rare and pricey, like say off some SDRAM or DDR 32bit chip (without going full vampire)? Of course the usual slow a590 chips are like those you'd get on the a500 mobo or on a 486 SIMM or old ISA graphics cards or (presuming they are matched 16bit to become 32bit) EDO banks. I mean, I imagine hte tf530 (or whatever upgrade) would expect only one type of RAM chip so as to have a "known quantity" but surely, considering it is all made of bits soldered and desoldered anyway, why not opt for say a crucial memory DDR (like say a 266 pc2100 or a pc2700 or a pc3200) of a known code number of say a 128meg (or 256meg?) bank containing 8meg chip modules and simply take a 8meg chip off that bank and be done with it? I mean literally desolder the actual chip? You'd get sixteen of the 8meg chips on one DDR bank and so that would be sixteen TF530 (or whatever) accelerators completed, each with 8meg on them.
In fact, just to be on the safe side, the design could account for the major brands, just to make sure there was always RAM abundant. So like you could have one code (for a bank) from each of crucial and kingston and corsair.
No hate from me. I presume you are referring to somebody else in the thread. Kind regards.
Nice video. Shame the board does not have the RGB and CF accessible flush with the back panel.
All of Jay Miner's computer platforms started out as intending to be gaming consoles. And each of their last systems were game systems... not just the Amiga CD32 but also the Atari XE Game System before it. One could argue the Commodore 64 is no different since Commodore - ahem, MOS - originally intended to sell its VIC-II graphics chip to game console makers.
Hmmm. Looks like the Amiga CD32's back panel expansion slot influenced Sony's similar on the original fat Playstation2. That's rather cool to assume, especially since the PS2's case design was also influenced by the unreleased Atari Falcon040's case.
Looks great Dan I'm tempted to source another CD32 now. I just hope I can find a reasonably priced one
That looks amazing. I had no idea you could use the CD drive as a slave for an amiga 1200 if you cable them together.
paulisthebest3uk yeah, it was only a
SERNET connection so pretty slow, but definitely usable
Sernet or Parnet were often employed for just this purpose. You could even do the same with the CDTV.
cool with the price difference between the Amiga 1200 and the CD 32 with the cd 32 being 1/10th of the cost on E-bay I'm super interested in this as was wanting a gaming Amiga but on a budget
Seriously thinking about getting one of these expansion boards-oh,and a CD32 to plug it into! I like the cf card drive using sd cards. BTW how does Alien Breed 3D run with the expansion?
I need to do something with my CD32, its been down in the basement for years.
I need to recap my cd32, but it's getting hard to find someone that would do that in Portugal :/
But after that, this is the way to go :)
Great video, I'll be checking out other Amiga content on your channel.
Cheers!!
Hey guys, is there a way to make CD32 games run full screen? That's what I want to fix most about the console. I play on my TV and the small screen looks bad compared to other consoles
So which version of workbench is that? I've tried WB 3.1 and it won't boot from a CF card.
AMIGAAAAA!!!
I noticed too :D
Will that Tiny Launcher only boot ADF files? Or will it boot the thousands of homebrew CD32 ISOs that I've got as well? There almost all under 30MB each (the larger portion barely tipping the scales at 1MB), so not worth burning to disc individually. A multigame loader for all of them would be super useful.
Pretty cool little system if you can get it setup just like the way you have it there. Nice!
I just bought one of them for £20...with 2 Joypads and Choas Engine. Quite cool machines. Turns into an A1200!!
HA! Stag, I forgot about them. Very educational material at the time.
How is the Amiga holding up (age)? I am not talking about the games but the actual hardware, caps, leaks, rust, etc
Only thing you need to change in old electrical equipment is the capacitors / caps every 10 years and probably the power supply when they fail, everything else should last a life time
Even the power supply is mostly a recap job. Just need to be super careful because of the mains voltage levels involved, might be worth getting that serviced by a professional.
most stock Amigas didn't have a realtime clock so there's no battery on the mainboard, but some might have one on a trapdoor card. Leaks are mostly an issue confined to big box Amigas.
@Eight_Zero's, I hope you mean for the Amiga and not in general, I have older electrical equipment than 10 (20) years and never re capped them.
@TheTurnipKing, I wonder if there is a permanent solution to cap replacement.
Trusteft not yet. It's the nature of the component
Imagine a 68020 vampire with this....
This is awesome :) when I’ve got some money in I think this will be a definite purchase for my cd32
can you help me? I have a old commadore amiga cd32 it has composite and svhs out I have a smart samsung hdtv. which way is best to connect it up composite yellow and 2 phono audio cables to the tv or get a upscaler device but some seem cheap Chinese crap, I did try to connect svhs but all I get is a black and white image on screen. my samsung tv has an external adapter cable input with a scart socket as well as a 3.5 jack with 3 phono cable adapter. but again s-video is just black and white for some reason I tryed and old plasma tv that has scart socket and s-video is still black and white so whats best way to connect. I currently can connect composite direct to the tv with a scart adapter but have thought is a upscaler device better quality ? and what about s-video?
can this be used with any light guns for the amiga computers and if so can I play the Commodore Amiga light gun games with this console?
prices must have gone up since this video can't find any of those around here form under $800
i kinda feeling movies with roger moore....with all the links you posted,what the heck is this product cost?? can't find shit....and how i can buy it?
Hey Dan. Is there an easy way to get the CF card set up for this? Have owned a TF328 for months and done nothing with it because I can't figure the thing out.
Even bought a CF with Workbench pre-installed, which boots great on the CD32, but can't be read by a PC or my A1200, so I can't transfer games to it. Really tearing my hair out here!
Building one of these in my video after next after next.
What kind of expansion is needed to play the unofficial A-Doom port I can download from the Internet?
Hello Dan,
Which method did you use in order to prepare the CF card ? I've followed several tutorials who were describing how to do that from WinUAE, but I've never managed to make a card who works correctly on my CD32 ...
Thanks !
will this help to save games as the cd32 had little memory
Nice to see something like this but ... I've never seen one here in Canada or the US either. Where they only European and Australia only items?
Great video, keen on getting one and into the full Amiga library. Does this in effect then act as an ODE for the CD32 games also?
When did Tiny Launcher become WhdLoad compatible ?
Last time I tried it would not work, otherwise I was very impressed by the programme.
Are you keeping up with the commodore.
Hey Mr. Wood, I got myself a CD32 off eBay, but I'm not sure which region it is (the seller oddly didn't know). Do you know how I can tell if it's PAL or NTSC? I'd rather not plug the thing in and fry it if the voltage isn't right for my region.
Disappointed that you didn't show your mandatory paint bucket accessory for this thing.
Hello.
I see you know a lot about the Amiga cd 32. Tell me, what is its maximum disk reading speed? What speed is best to burn games to CD?
Thank you in advance!
I'm not a troll, this is an honest question: Does it make sense to mod an ACD32 this way if you already have an Amiga 1200 with SSD HD +Firm 3.2+AmigaOS 3.2+ WHLoad with tons of games and demos? For me, that I own both (A1200 an ACD32), it would be perfect to have an ODE for ACD32. To have full access to ACD32 catalog from its native hardware, and A1200 for anything else. Recommendations are welcome.
I have a standard cd32 pal. Please help me. I want the joy pad and that fire thingy
I love that CDTV mouse pad!
Parnet was a slightly faster than the serial connection
Oh god.. I used to use the CD32 as a CD-Rom drive like you.. It was so hilariously slow. XD
Hi! Great video! I have it, is it possible to upload a image of your cf card? Looks amazing with tiny luncher, Thanks in advance!
i saw my friend use something that was like sharing files in the shell was a pain to use.. what was that software calls?
Can you still get this expansion?
I'm thinking this and a vampire chip would be sweet
Vampire 1200 is being worked on now. It wouldn't be outlandish to expect a cd32 Vampire down the road. No Cd32 vampires exist at the moment.
lol been being worked on for 4 years vampire team is a joke better to have ppc
V4 work started in 2016, I am getting my prototype as its on the way for testing. I actually got a Morphos Dual PPC G5 it is really great. I hope Tabor comes out soon.
started way before that and its a SOC the amiga is just a keyboard now with a vamp of any kind installed
It's an accelerator right now as it builds on the V2 core work. I think what you are talking about the original called Phoenix, That was since redone as V4. The goal is a standalone eventually.
Wish I had seen this earlier, can you still get these? I have 2 CD32's and SX1. one cd drive don't boot games, will FMV card still work? I have one. Or can I setup my SX1 with the same IDE sd card adapter? With that menu to play games? Thanks
I still kind of find i weird today, Amiga games on CD, but were oly ports with enhances audio CD tracks only..
Net effect, is most CD usage were wasted.. only for a slightly better graphics and audio.. I know technically it wasn't possible and even if is was, to fill a CD 650MB of game, there'd be allot more loading time, but still. Compared today, where the CD's are actually 650MB loaded up and not just 62MB on a CD.
Yayyy your back! Now if only it had a Gameboy Advance attachment!
Dumb question but will this expansion work with the NTSC model of the Amiga CD32?
Hi, witch format is needed to install games on cf card?
The riser card is not part of the TF328, but very useful expansions by themselves. Anyway, if I had the skills, I'd add an RTC to the TF328 (or the riser board), just to have a full feature desktop computer.
I used to have an SX1, but more wants more, so I was dreaming of an SX32 Pro of course... it was just too expensive.
Benjamin Vestergaard in this day and age you probably don't need an rtc, just a script that grabs the time from the network and sets the clock
Benjamin Vestergaard in this day and age you probably don't need an rtc, just a script that grabs the time from the network and sets the clock
Then build Ethernet into those peripherals? Personally I'd love to avoid the batteries too, but to do that you need to use either GPS, long wave or internet...