dude yall act like megumi invented the technique or smth he only inherited it and was always shit with it i would argue it's better in sukuna's hand than megumi
@@jojomahmoud5752 you’re missing the point, cleave and dismantle were Sukuna’s tech for 1,000 years you’d think he would’ve improved them himself somehow by now instead of using the most basic version and needing to see mahoraga to figure out how to use it
@@jack8998 i can see where ur comin from but on the other hand bro never faced an opponent like gojo before he didn't cross paths with six eyes limitless users till he met gojo so his basic cleave and dismantle were enough for the rest till he met gojo every improvement he did and has came out of neccecity
@@idonthaveacreativename6504thats gege giving sukuna plot armor. Gojo would absolutely beat uraume/kenjaku/sukuna on that moment. speaking this as a sukuna fan
@@artchagmam8458 He said he had to do mental training to handle Sukuna being in Megumi's body. I'm afraid Gojo is at fault here for not having resolve, which is on-brand because dude couldn't even finish off Geto's body.
You don't get it, his title as a fraud comes from his real name, Sukuplot. Since the start of the gojo fight, every major point involving him is filled with bs energy capable of slashing the very fabric of logic. Furthermore, deep examinations of corresponding manga pages reveals dubious ash motifs and mysterious white stains, manifesting always but only in the presence of the tatooed scammer. Their meaning is obscure, but their reccurence coincide with the peaks in bs particles discovered by radiation detectors.
Thats why its recommended to either read the fight online or read it while in a hazmat suit, such levels of bs energy can become radioactive and harm the reader.
@@deeeeeeznutz damn, you are such a hipocrite, you talk all that shit despite the fact that the only reason YOU dont have white stains in your mouth is that you left Sukuna dry days ago.
@@BlandyBoiYTshit bro u know the tactic 😢. Anyways, Gojo was going all out and using all of his techniques at almost Full potential. Whether on the other hands Sukuna didn't showed, something like haien era form , flames , kamutoke etc. And you guys still have the audacity to say gojo is the strongest in history is damn big dawg. I mean Sukuna = Gojo But Sukuna just used High risk high reward strategy to permanently bypass infinity (BIG RAGA). Instead of using low risks low reward (Domain amplification/ expansion)which does not give permanent solution of infinity.
@@hashiramasenju5472 A lot of his techniques would have been useless in the fight, notably flames (as it has no way at all to bypass infinity) and his heian era form, as that would (presumably) stop him from using 10 shadows. Domain amplification puts Sukuna in a bad situation by stopping him from using his CT, which admittedly was otherwise useless but I digress. Domain expansion was used numerous times but led to both combatants receiving brain damage. It's not that Sukuna was holding back, it's that what he didn't use would have been useless or made the situation worse.
CEO of Sukuna enterprises here, you bring up a very good argument. But although your argument is great, it still does not beat the fact that he basically tanked a 200 percent purple enhanced purple from gojo which he barely noticed, managed to survive in Gojos domain for 3 minutes while gojo was trying to murk him (Despite our glorious four eyed prince being a “fraud.”) And lastly, he made turned goatjo into fraud/Jo. We are still pleased with your PowerPoint despite the obviously faulty fraud allegations. Many regards from the sukuna PR team. CEO-Sukuna enterprises.
Literally Gojo here, It is with deep regret that I must inform you about how difficult it was to make this video. While I do have a clear favorite in this fight, myself, it was with a heavy heart that I had to call Sukuna a fraud. Though he is without a doubt, The Glazed One, Gege’s favorite child, plotkuna, and the king of frauds… he is still one of my favorite villains of all time. And though I firmly believe Sukuna is no fraud, I will leave you with this: Maintaining the agenda is our top priority. -Literally Gojo
As a representative of Gojo industries, i must explain how this is wrong, Gojo wasnt trying to delete Sukuna with that 200% HP, he was like 2 miles away and wanted to get his adopted son back, also, Gojo also managed to tank through Sukuna's domain, while Sukuna barely survived despite the fact Gojo was only punching him in there instead of spamming techniques. Source: Gojo, plus, you wasnt even there. -representative of Gojo industries
CEO of Sukuna enterprises here, and while yes, he wasn’t intending to take Sukuna out with that attack, that was essentially because it COULDNT take him out, as it was,as you stated, far away, but it was still a 200 percent purple nonetheless.And while gojo did “tank” the malevolent shrine, it left him with severe cuts and bruises throughout his body for the rest of the fight, Sukuna had also managed to win more domain clashes, with gojo barely being able to use his domain by a marginal difference.Nonetheless, Our glorious four eyed king had still won the battle of the strongest and had turned gojo into an taken apart Lego, our stocks are up, and we will continue to thrive in Sukuna enterprises, thank you for your time. -CEO of Sukuna enterprises@@rockargen9591
Man i still remember when us sukuna fans were in distress seeing him get his shit rocked and and clowned on every week...i will never forget those times...
I can see how the way the Sukuna killed Gojo was a little, bad, in some ways, but I just want to say that is very easy to think "I will spawn a cleave on top of him" but a lot harder to actually do it. People have been imagining things that are technically possible but we don't know how to reach for centuries now, that includes all of fiction and more, for example: Space ship goes fiuuu really fast, how? We don't know, but we can imagine the end result, we don't know how to get to that point. Just because Sukuna could think about spawning a cleave on top of the world itself doesn't mean he just knew how, and bending space in such way isn't easy to achieve without a model, teacher or experience. The understanding only comes after the act, and Mahoraga was the perfect way to see how he can do it and replicate it, he being able to do it after only one look shows that he was, indeed, very smort at least... and it was a good way to get rid of Gojo as well, but my point still stands.
@@Aryan-qv5qk I mean, that's just how Sukuna is. He saw that Gojo could RCT his brain and was like "yooo I can do the same." Seeing it in practice makes it far easier to get things like this. If you described to someone who has no knowledge of how to walk the act of walking, they are gonna learn more from seeing you do it and analysing your body rather than you describing it in words.
I think the reason this, and for me many of the other fights, are unsatisfying and difficult to justify them being earned is because the overall jujutsu system is pretty vague and ill-defined allowing for characters to just pull shit out of their ass and pretend they had an epiphany or figured something out. This let's GeGe determine the narrative free of any constraints but turns the investment of the reader into the fights into just a popularity contest. I keep comparing it to the magic system in early Naruto of all things, how jutsus were often stretched into contrivance but when they were kept simple and used in a surprising or innovative ways to defeat an opponent it was very satisfying. Take barrier techniques for example. This was the first thing that struck me as strange. They have zero relationship to anything we learn about CTs or CE, it's just something people with CE can do and we are told their basic properties. Then the explanations of CDs, is it an expansion of the CT in the soul like an Evangelion AT field or something? All the rules between CTs, Barriers and CDs are disconnected and arbitrary. Then the arbitrary nature of CTs. How can something intrinsic to the brain and inheritable be "combined with technology" to make something like Hakari's CT. And if such can be innovated, why isn't everyone warping their CT's to be as broken? At that point CTs cease being intrinsic to an individual and just a starting point for you to make an entirely different one. Funnily enough I seem to be agreeing with the "conservatives", just for narrative reasons; Nobara's CT is utilised much better. It's easy to understand, doesn't threaten the reader's suspension of disbelief with arbitrary rules, and is satisfying when she lands a resonance turning the tables against often stronger opponents. It seems obvious most of this will be explained eventually, just like how only Japanese people have CE, but to be so deep into the story and have literally none of it hammered out is pretty lame. I keep feeling like the manga should be at least twice as long for where it has reached already. To neglect all that and then start throwing JoJo characters around in the death game arc makes everything very bizarre. I like them and think they could work with better background, but it's just so disjointed from the tone already set.
sukuna carried mahoraga if you read the fight. he had to shoulder the burden of adaptation for a majority of the fight, which heavily nerfed him, though it brought great benefits for sukuna in the end, an enhanced cleave.
I think people really miss a concept about Sukuna that he is strong because he's a fast learner, adapter. The king can really learn how to translate his soul into object by watching Kenjaku did the thing to him. The same context happened in Gojo fight, watching two level 100 mafia boss smashing and struggling is the coolest thing I've ever seen. They learnt from battle, that what the strongest do.
Counter argument as to why sukuna is still a fraud and not a winner. As you said, sukuna couldn't NARRATIVELY LOSE to gojo in that fight so the outcome was always going to be gojo loses or doesn't finish him off. So the one who really killed gojo was gege, gojo won the fight but lost the war basically. The narrative whiplash between 235 and 236 is palpable and 236 just feels like an asspull because we don't see the attack that turned the battle in sukuna's favor all we get is an explanation as to how it should work (which is and of itself an asspull) and gojo dead on the floor. When you take into consideration that sukuna was on his last legs with barely any CE left facing down a black flash amped gojo who can literally see the sparks of cursed energy, get hit by a move that he would've been easily able to DODGE or heal with RCT, the outcome of the fight begins to look more like bad writing with gege covering sukuna's ass than sukuna in gege's own head being able to make a genuine comeback from that position he was in with any tools sukuna had at his disposal.
Thats bad writing. I personally am a big fan of sukuna and gojo fan and i truly believe everything sukuna pulled off COULD work if proper buildup was done.
counter argument to the meme: Sukuna had a way to bypass Infinity, literally Malevolent Shrine itself. Sukuna purposely tanked Gojo domain to adapt to his domain and then adapt to infinity and then level up his curse technique attack. Gojo was also wondering why Sukuna had let Gojo taking hits most of the time while not using other technique, aka fire Fuga. Sukuna deliberately taken a risk here to level up his technique because his character is about self growth, which is stated in the Kashimo fight. He doesnt think he will loses ever, therefore take a more risky gamble of stalling for Mahogara to adapt, which lead him to alot of distressed moments that he couldve avoided if he had gone all out. Its crazy to see that Gege are able to written the most perfect fight accordingly to their character and make it as if Gojo was on even playing ground, while leaving clear evident of how Sukuna had been helding back alot.
Ok this is how the main cast is going to win 1. The whole squad getts clapped by Ryomen Bullshit Sukuna 2. Itadori gets a bs powerup 3. Itadori high diffs sukuna 4. Itadori gets ptsd Or if a gojo fan finds gege's adres 1. Whole cast get's folded 2. Gojo pulls up somehow 3. He locks up sukuna inside the prison realm
Looks like gojo's death affected everyone in the jjk community. Gojo fans dont realize that mahoraga was the counter sukuna had against gojo. And sukuna fans dont realize infinity was the counter gojo had against sukuna. so it makes sense they "relied" on it when they wouldnt be able to do anything to each other without it. One just utilized their counter better and won the fight.
exactly, one who fought with his ego, and one who actually planned his way to victory, goated ass villain sukuna. without mahoraga Sukuna could only ever use two moves on Gojo Domain Amplification: he still get fucking boxed to the ground the entire fight Domain Expansion: dude got Gojo in his domain two times and couldn't kill him, and was getting manhandled by Gojo in his own fucking domain.
@@4nnd711 just tell me, i've already put too much context on my other comments to write it all in one reply section, point it out so we can have a discussion
@@midori8807 Sukuna still has aces under his sleeve. He didnt use Mahoraga to counter Gojo or win the fight specifically, he used Mahoraga to improve his technique. People forget that Sukuna doesnt care more about victory than he cares more about being a sorcery nerd and having fun. Pretty sure he still could beat Gojo without Mahoraga using his other resources
@@Lucas-st1xq he has no other resources and anything you could state to prove otherwise so far, unless that spear shown he was holding somehow got in his hands and has some properties that could get pass through infinity, other than that all you have told me so far are mear "speculations" that cannot be proven. yes what you said is true, Sukuna do not fucking care about victory he more so care only about improving himself, but you can't fucking deny that he needed mahoraga 90% of the time aswell as megumi, he was resourceful of what he has, he have full knowledge of Gojo's abilities, he knew mahoraga would be useful to quote on quote "strip gojo off his scales" basically meaning he would progressively use what he have "Mahoraga" to do something about infinity, even with gojo's statement people ignore the fact that gojo was not even sure of his own statement about sukuna being stronger, and then later on Sukuna said something that disproves their claims stating that "he needed mahoraga to be his example to modify and adjust his abilities to suit him in his fight against Gojo" he even fucking needed Megumi's soul to tank most of the damage, and he literally gets bodied in his own domain 2 times in a row, gets knocked out 2 times in a row and get saved by mahoraga 2 times in a row, further proving that he really needed mahoraga. the fight ended us "Gojo won the battle of the strongest" but "Sukuna was simply a better sorcerer" which caused Gojo his death. Gojo fought with brawn and ego. Sukuna fought with strategy and manipulation and resourcefulness. him becoming stronger by obtaining a newly modified cursed technique through mahoraga was only the outcome of overcoming a huge obstacle. if we are gonna explain this like how it is in mythology stories. Sukuna is basically like a demi god with god beast slayer resources and battle experience. while Gojo is a huge beast and one of the obstacles on the long run. without mahoraga. the only thing Sukuna can do that would damage gojo is. Domain Expansion: which gojo freakin tanked and bodied sukuna in his own domain. Domain Amplification: Which Gojo still bodied Sukuna to the ground throughout the entire fight. further solidifying his title as the strongest, but he was simply not the best. Sukuna is such a goated main villain compared to other anime main villains. Sukuna basically did the kratos Mahoraga played the role as the greatest weapon. "Blade of Olympus" and Gojo is just there with his hax and pure power "Zeus"
I think a big part of JJK is that it doesn't really power scale. It's a lot more believable that a group of sorcerers would scale far beyond any one person. Whilst Gojo is absurdly cracked for one guy, he's also only one guy. When you start piling on heaps of techniques, heaps of ways to chip at him, heaps of ways to tire him out and so on, it becomes far more believable that he'd die. Cursed energy efficiency or not, he does break down, and we see that with Sakuna nad Mahoraga. I know that he did not know everything he knows now with Toji, but Toji is a great way to show that even someone near Godhood can, if you outwit them, be slain. You can say hwy didn't everyone fight with Gojo, but we already know that Gojo has huge explosive attacks that make it hard for him to d owhat he's trying to do if anyone he cares about si around. It's better off for him to fight alone, a lot of the time. Whereas, with the others, their techniques aren't nearly as AoE. I feel like Sukuna is already getting the beat down (though you might not have seen that), and I feel like it's quite reasonable to believe that against a bunch of sorcerers, Sukuna has no chance. Gojo's technique is honestly one of the worst to fight. It's really hard to counter him, even with a bunch of folks, it can be, but against most techniques, he's one of the most ''untouchable''. Sukuna doesn't really have that. Because it's not really abot merely being stronger, it's a lot about how well you use what you use (I'm not saying strength means nothing, I mena, think about Dragon Ball Z, and then think about this. It's night and day, for me.) what you've got. How you play your hand. Gojo might be able to kill everyone, within reason, but I don't know about Sukuna. Of the two, I think Gojo would have a much easier time.
1:00 just a side note, all of his attack names have a cooking theme in the original Japanese. Dismantle was actually “filet” and his DE apparently literally translates to “Pandemonium in the Imperial Kitchen”. So while goofy compared to the most common translation, “Malevolent Kitchen” is less a translation error but rather a communication failure between translators
Madara was cool but he droped no body checked for sukuna Now we have the problem how to get rid of him like madara who kishimoti had to aasspull to get rid of him,lets see if gege can do it better
That is what you should call bad writing, when an author is dumb enough to create a charachter that is way too strong for his verse and then he tries to use obvious plot armors and obvious asspulls to nerf that character in every fight. When i saw that dagger, i knew the plot would be ass, no surpise.
In defense for the allegations. Before full out summoning of Mahoraga, getting his shit rocked was kind of a necessity for his plan to work. Which explains why he intentionally prolonged destroying Gojo's domain barrier and deactivated his domain amp just to get thrown around by Gojo. Asking to take UV just cause he was the strongest in history is kinda dumb. Same rules apply to sorcerers of any age. In terms of Jujutsu sorcery he cleared showed by he's superior multiple times throughout the fight. Some of these points can be directed against Gojo as well. The world cutting slash is kinda of thing thought to be impossible from common knowledge unless of course u see it happen. Sukuna is an aggressive fighter yet had to take a defensive approach because of the adaption. The whole fight was just another opportunity to get stronger for Sukuna rather than a fight to kill Gojo which is supported by him intentionally not using his abilites or holding back his abilities, Prolonging the domain battle, using 10 shadows. He simply could've just transformed when he got hit with the red inside the shrine and he never would've gotten brain damage and Gojo would've lost in 1 of the proceeding domain battles. Heck he could've stacked the 10s technique on top of the shrine too. Fraud allegations against Gojo: U literally set the date for the fight and gave both parties prep time and is yet surprised by the fact that Sukuna has an open domain.Which Choso said Yuji and Inumaki mentioned about. Says "You're the challenger" to Sukuna and yet does the dumb thing of challenging Sukuna's domain when he knows he will lose. Brother, u can literally teleport. U could've just gone out of Sukuna's domain Gojo didn't think of the possibility of an world cutting slash either or applying that theory to his own technique. Telling he'd win TWICE and then proceeding to lose achieving almost nothing and leaving everything up to his students and then starts glazing his enemy ones his dead and couldn't even make him go all out I know limitless is your technique but u don't have to use it every milisecond of the fight if you're the strongest u know. What? afraid of getting a bit hurt? U pretty much has a better byakugan for eyes, so u can just use your extra gaurd only when u want right? As to why Gojo is not surviving a domain round against a 20 finger Sukuna in heian era which i'll be referring to as "og Sukuna" actually going all out straight for the kill ( which also supports my claim that the only reason Sukuna needed 10s was so he can make him self stronger by evolving his own CT rather than to kill Satoru Gojo) : Compared to Meguna, og Sukuna has shown to be Physically stronger - He's like 3x size of Megumi and hence stronger. Its common sense Faster - Went from getting used as a punching bag by base Kashimo( Sukuna was severely injured at this point but..) and then Manhandled a CT Kashimo who is way faster. Itadori could keep up with Meguna pretty easily but got left in the dust by og Sukuna in a recent chapter. Extra advantages : The 2 extra arms and mouth :- Said to be the BIGGEST advantage a sorcerer can have. The 2 extra arms : Gives a great advantage in hand 2 hand combat which imo is better than Gojo since obviously he has 2 extra arms plus the increase in speed in his og body. Which takes away another thing Gojo had an edge on in the fight that did happen. Possibly can use 2 CT's at the same time(a big maybe) but can weave hand signs and use his technique simultaneously because of the advantage. The extra mouth : Can do infinite number of chants which makes it possible for Sukuna to have an above 100% output at all times and buff his techniques mid combat. So the slashes Gojo would get hit in the domain are way stronger and lethal which would take more rct to heal and simple domain wouldn't last long enough for Gojo to recover. Cursed tools : The Kamitoke and the trident looking thing have been shown and hinted to be in the possession of Sukuna during his life in the heian period. We know the Kamitoke uses lightning based attacks and the trident should have a water or earth based attack in my speculation since Sukuna already has fire(Fuga), Wind(Cleave and dismantle) and lightning( Kamitoke) based attacks. Now if Sukuna were to use the above mentioned things and his usual aggresive attacking fighting style I think its pretty fair to Say that Sukuna cooks a Michelin star fish fillet with Gojo.
Gojo didn't teleport because Gege said there are "specific conditions" to his teleportation. What are those conditions you ask? No one fucking knows. Gege can't write Gojo's powers, dude has to resort go random math garbage to "explain" his ability.
Don't forget that Sukuna is the king of deadly poisons. Gojo said he cannot filter out poisons with infinity. It interests me that ability wasn't used, poison would logically be very effective, and he didn't use a fire arrow in his first domain after breaking Gojo's domain, while Gojo was vulnerable either, in fact, he didnt use anything other than cursed energy reinforcement, which would indicate that Sukuna was using 10 shadows since the start of domain clashes. Keep in mind that Gojo has zero feats to show that he has heat resistance of that level. A fire arrow from 15-finger Sukuna had already oneshot, vaporized a beast like Mahoraga and incinerated the very incarnation of fire, Jogo. Imagine one from sukuna in his true form at 20 fingers+ mummy corpse, amped by all the chants and hand seals. Yeah. Crazy. Gojo has no heat resistance feats of that level, and I repeat. It's a reasonable argument. Given the numerous statements claiming that Sukuna was holding back, it all makes sense. not enough? The man didn't even use incantations, hand seals, or black flashes when Gojo used all of the former to boost himself during the fight so that he wouldn't fall behind, all of that coupled with infinity making him inviolable, and blue-infused punches greatly boosting his punches effectiveness, power and speed. There were so many layers upon layers of amps that brought advantages for Gojo when Sukuna only used basic cursed energy reinforcement throughout the whole fight and played defensive for the sake of Mahoraga adapting, same fighting strategy he also did during the Yorozu fight, so in many ways i see that as a test run for this type of strategy. The defensive playstyle based on taking hits for adaptation has a high risk to reward ratio, and Sukuna was smart enough to see the benefits. Now, with the spatial dismantle, he should be virtually impossible to trap within a domain, as he can slash and break them from the inside.
@@4nnd711 well this didn't age well also 1. jogo for heat resistance feats as the dude was put inside a volcano n parried his attacks, fire arrow is not greater than a volcano if you think otherwise ur crazy shit. fire arrow is slow as hell too wtf is sukuna gonna do to use allat, one red can instantly kill him trade off isn't worth it 2.only young gojo couldn't block poisons, geto said he mastered everything by the end of hidden inventory, he also pauses a cup of tea in s1 which is a form of liquid proving it more 3. sukuna used *BOTH hand signs on chants together* on kashimo and he dodged it with all limbs intact, dudes not even the fastest sorcerer so what makes u think that'd do shit to gojo, the fastest sorcerer exactly??? and im pretty i don't need to say this but black flashes are based off luck??? 4. sukuna was not looking for benefits the dude was literally stated to be stressing, he wanted to win the battle as soon as possible. this comment really just disregards a lot man
@@flappyflap2693 for the chanting, it's more related to the domain, imagine a 120% amped malevolent shrine on top of sure-hit cleave and dismantle that sukuna could spam on top of it by himself
Im not even a Sukuna fan but its obvious that Sukuna had other resources to use against Gojo. But he cares more about being a sorcey nerd and having fun rather than underhanded victory. He used Mahoraga because he wanted to improve his tecnique, its simple as that - Gojo would've lost with or without Mahoraga
People dont bring this up, but the only thing he did that negatively effected the Sorcerers during Shibuya was take Inumaki's arm and traumatize Yuji. He saved them from Jogo and Mahoraga. For half the series he was literally Kurama😭 Oh, but he killed a bunch of randos🤓 Nobody cares bro💀
Go/jo fans love to say 10s but its the reason gojo lasted that long lol 1. With 10s, sukuna needs to buy time to adapt, so he attacked UV 's outside only. 2. With 10s been out, sukuna can't use other CTs while inside UV to break its weaken inside barrier. Confirms what gojo said in chap 228 about sukuna not using CT inside nor breaking Uv from inside. 3.1 10s been out, makes sukuna only option to destroy Uv, is to turn off MS surehit inside & use DA for Uv( only after he gets the needed time to adapt). why??? Cuz using other Ct inside the domain = cancelled 10s, no 2 ct at sametime. 3.2 But since DA pauses adaptation, sukuna had to turn it off in the domains( stated in chap 230) and take more damage to adapt. Sukuna can't adapt if DA is on or when MS surehit is off inside. 4. In all ,10s been out limits sukuna options of out lasting UV 3min 9s with DA & using Cts inside the domain to break UV from the inside, but sukuna said it payed off in the end in chap 230 and he got the ultimate pay off, world cutter. -No 10s = No MS surehit off= free use of DA inside domain to defend gojo's attacks - No 10s = chanted cleave's that adjust to Uv weaken barrier CE breaking it from inside(or firearrow to break Uv). - No 10s = sukuna destroying gojo with his entire kit once Uv breaks but since he didn't want ot cancel 10s adaptation he didn't do that lol.
This argument is stupid. If he didnt had 10S gojo would have used a different tactic. He wouldn't have had to worry about mahoraga adapting to infinity, so he could've had just chilled while being untouchable.
Not saying you are wrong here, just saying that it becomes a "what if" scenario that is litterally impossible to predict. You cannot assume that removing certain elements from the fight would make some characters still do the same actions, hence my previous comment.
@@angel-memeroftheisles1. Gojo didn't even know maho was adapting till 229 but still went for the same tatic cuz UV was is only real & sure to work win con. 2. Gojo being untouchable if maho wasn't adapting to infinity??? Bro would get cook by sukuna, please explain how?? Lol. Gojo would always go for DE battle , bro literally said he use all his power, quick thinking, tatent and went allout, please explain what different tatic he would use.
@@angel-memeroftheislesbro gojo cann't relax and being untouchable, 1. Purple wasn't isn't a win con as sukuna would read his CE spark and know he's doing an big attack and purple as too much charge time, this why gojo use purple on sukuna 2 times in the entire fight( 1st one as a trick& 2nd one include tricks & good setup). So sukuna would dodge all of those purple's. 2. I always say give gojo an open barrier domain so sukuna can't attack the outside and get rid of the advantages of sukuna true form then gojo wins all day, but it doesn't matter what tatic gojo does ,it would still come down to a DE clash which he 's cooked if sukuna isn't adapting.
@@angel-memeroftheisles people keep saying he could have used a different strategy. What strategy could he have used that wouldn't have resulted in Gojo being cooked? I genuinely struggle to see it.
I'm in the "Let Gege cook" PR team... maybe slightly leaning towards sukuna glazing team. Overall though, their fight was not only absolutely phenomenal, but also generational. I'd be surprised if Gojo vs Sukuna isn't included as one of the most influential anime/manga fights in modern time.
I'm full on the fraudkuna thing but honestly with a domain expansion battle without holding back to make mahoraga adapt, sukuna just kill gojo. Gojo's infinity wouldn't work cuz CT get canceled after using a domain and the slashes of sukuna would just be far stronger.
Sukuna lowkey is the Einstein of JJK mahoraga was just adapting bro was movin like a true American and stole his work and used it against Gojo but tbh Sukuna was set up to beat Gojo tbh like even if he didn’t adapt his technique he was packing his true form reboot
So strong he needs mahoraga and nue to jump his opps, I know megumi must have the inherited technique: MAHORAGA SAVE ME because sukuna jumped in his body and started using it too
I don't mean to be rude, but Sukuna had the means to bypass "ifinity" "domain expansion" and "domain amplification". Plus Gojo himself stated that he didn't think he could beat Sukuna even if he didn't have "the ten shadows".
"gojo stated" look dawg it doesn't take a super genius to know that gege made gojo spout that shit out his mouth like please realistically think of a way sukuna would win without ten shadows instead of just taking the character's word for it, sukuna himself even planned to use mahogara for gojo as he literally said this to megumi "i need you alive for my future plans", conflicts the narrative like literally.
@@Genji-Agito and where did i mention anything about you being wrong about this fact? enlighten me please because *i fucking specifically left out arguments to your other points because of that, don't act up.*
@@flappyflap2693during the domain clashes gojo was barely able to damage sakuna just in time before he got his domain destroyed(this was stated in the chapter). Now if we insert 4 arm sakuna using domain I don't think gojo would have enough time to damage sakuna.
Why do gojo fans love bring up sukuna can't hit gojo with his kit cuz of infinity??, bro do they forget DE & DA can by pass it and the only reason sukuna didn't use can other Cts while UV was destroyed was cause of 10s being out and not wanting to cancel its adaptation.
and gojo survived his domain. so that already makes it invalid. but I do believe even without mahoraga sukuna could probably win if the fight was drawn out long enough for sukuna to adapt to infinity.
@@lemonboychris Survive MS so that makes it invalid??, 1. Gojo had to use RCT at full output which= constantly dropping his RCT, 2. Gojo couldn't handle MS with RCT only bro had to use the 1st SD to heal his wounds & when that wasn't a good option gojo heal his CT instead, 3. Chap 228 state if gojo keeps statemating with sukuna he would run out of options and lose cause he's RCT output would drop to the point were he couldn't handle a 3rd MS. 4. Chap 230 gojo RCT drop to such a shit level by casting DE and blasting his RCT at max output against MS 2 times, which made it that he was going to die to Ms in chap 230 if sukuna pull it off. Bro gojo survive 1st domain if sukuna is adaptating. Its not a high diff fight if sukuna isn't using 10s, its a mid diff short fight, as sukuna would simply destroy gojo RCT output with firearrow and making it so that gojo output would drop to a point were he wouldn't be able to survive a 2nd or 3rd MS the most( gojo RCT was at max output for against MS alone, put additional damage like firearrow and gojo RCT is overwelm & done for, so die in a 2nd or 3rd MS at most or die in the 1st once sukuna spam his entire kit on gojo). Also NO 10s = gojo UV breaks in every clash, running down his CE thus lower his RCT output by default.
@twinbrosgamersja4919 Gojo can survive a domain or 2 if sukuna is using 10s. And win almost every domain clash. but without 10s, he isn't winning a domain clash, but his domain would be more dangerous for gojo. if he's still in megumi's body, then he can tank one UV and potentially win the fight. but both of them can't just spam domains at each other, and since gojo has the better defense, that being infinity, he has an advantage over sukuna in that regard. making it high-extreme diff until sukuna adapts.
@@lemonboychris for when sukuna was adapting,gojo loss 2 ,tie 3 and win 1 cause sukuna lag lol. gojo RCT running at max output against MS alone Confirms any addition damage would simply overwelm his RCT and bring it down to an even shitter state than chap 230 as the damage to be beyond his capabilities lol. Also sukuna wouldn't spam DE over & over only gojo would do that lol. N0 10s = No MS surehit turn off inside= can use CT inside inside UV to break it from the inside( gojo knew sukuna could break inside and wondering why he wasn't). Also in true form sukuna could simply chant and increase strenght of his surehit( as chants increase CT output and surehit is your CT surrounding everything) and sukuna true makes it possible to fight while chanting in that small space( no body can do that, don't have extra hands&mouths)and he can chant endlessly which means he can match his DE duration. The moment UV breaks its kO for gojo as he would die in a 2nd or 3rd clash. Also sukuna isn't affected by UV wheather megumi soul is there or not, sukuna only ever got hit cuz his surehit was late at expanding to protect him( if megumi soul was protecting sukuna why would he need DA in 2nd clash or get hit in chap 229).
@@lemonboychris1. With 10s been out, sukuna can't use other CTs while inside UV to break its weaken inside barrier. Confirms what gojo said in chap 228 about sukuna not using CT inside nor breaking Uv from inside. 2.1 10s been out, makes sukuna only option to destroy Uv, is to turn off MS surehit inside & use DA for Uv( only after he gets the needed time to adapt). why??? Cuz using other Ct inside the domain = cancelled 10s, no 2 ct at sametime. 2.2 But since DA pauses adaptation, sukuna had to turn it off in the domains( stated in chap 230) and take more damage to adapt. Sukuna can't adapt if DA is on or when MS surehit is off inside. -No 10s = No MS surehit off inside = free use of DA inside domain to defend gojo's attacks - No 10s = chanted cleave's that adjust to Uv weaken barrier CE breaking it from inside(or firearrow to break Uv). - No 10s = sukuna destroying gojo with his entire kit once Uv breaks but since he didn't want to cancel 10s adaptation he didn't do that lol.
I have a personal look on it, Gojo did WIN the fight and was the strongest because Sukuna needed Mahoraga (the whole bit with Gojo riding Sukuna was just a character moment), but now that Sukuna DID defeat Gojo, NOW he is the strongest and holds that title
if gojo used linux he might have won but since he's an apple fanboy he got rocked shits dxeserved to be honest like what can you expect from someone who uses propraietary software wtf
Bro he took over megumis body the biggest fraud the point hes making is showing how he can use the fraudest to win ofcourse he will try everything he's nerfed
I WILL STAND ON THIS HILL TILL I DIE SUKUNA EVEN SAID BIG RAGGA WAS GONNA DIE. IF HE FOUGHT GOJO ALONE SO HE HAD TO BABYSIT HIM HE DIDNT EVEN GO FULL OUT ON GOJO. THEN THATS ONLY 15 FINGER SUKUNA IF HE HAD ALL 20 FINIGERS HE WOULDNT EVEN NEED BIG RAGGA. THEN HE ONLY NEEDED BIG RAGGA TO GET PAST INFINITY I AM THE BIGGEST SUKUNA MEAT RIDER AND I DONT CARE SUKUNA WOULD ALWAYS SOLO GOJO ILL STAND ON THAT PLUS HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE HIS SWORD PLUS GOJO ONLY SURVIVED AS LONG AS HE DID BECAUSE OF INFINITY
Kyuubey slander? lmfao kyuubey is a far better villain than this fraud. sukuna just wants to kick ass, kyuubey literally harvests the souls of teenage girls to keep the universe from fucking imploding
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Sukuna cooked so hard he turned Gojo into a flashback
gojo hit him with a black flash but he didn't know about the flashback.
@@flappyflap2693 Doesn't that mean sukuna has a strong durability and sukuna put gojo to sleep forever 💀
Plotkuna CT: Plot Armor DE: Mahoraga IT Center
Lmao
Bro opened his domain expansion : power point presentation
Bro needed a 16 year olds technique to teach him how to use his own cursed technique that he’s had for 1,000 years
dude yall act like megumi invented the technique or smth
he only inherited it and was always shit with it
i would argue it's better in sukuna's hand than megumi
@@jojomahmoud5752 you’re missing the point, cleave and dismantle were Sukuna’s tech for 1,000 years you’d think he would’ve improved them himself somehow by now instead of using the most basic version and needing to see mahoraga to figure out how to use it
@@jack8998 i can see where ur comin from but on the other hand bro never faced an opponent like gojo before he didn't cross paths with six eyes limitless users till he met gojo so his basic cleave and dismantle were enough for the rest till he met gojo
every improvement he did and has came out of neccecity
@@jack8998 I hate plotkuna as much as the next guy but we still haven't had a clue of what sukuna's ct is or what the black box is
Pretty sure bro was not alive in those 1000 yrs to improve his CT
technically speaking it'd be a 4v1 since megumi was being dragged around as a mahogara adaption body bag
Add gege in there and its 5v1
and all the shadows used to create agito make it a 8v1 @@justawobblyslime8357
this is a crazy reach megumi isnt fighting gojo bro
@@Six-bw3ir you do realize sukuna was using him to adapt to gojo's attacks without any drawbacks right....
@@flappyflap2693 clearly there where drawbacks buddy...
Sukuna stole a literal child's technique in order to beat Gojo
I do appreciate the mamba mentality but that is fraudulent activity
That's not fraud
That's being smart
Sure
Child abuse and skittish behaviour
Its ruthless, not smart
@mr_0n10n5 "it's ruthless not smart" stick to kid shows
I swear yall are so funny cuz yall are mad at the villian doing bad things
@@YunaTuna01 Exactly
He's a bad guy, doing fraudulent things like bad people do
Prep time Sukuna went extreme diff with a Gojo fresh out the box and trying to save Megumi
Gojo legit surprised attack sukuna at the beginning and ahas a whole ass month, cope
Gojo littearly asked for a month.
@@idonthaveacreativename6504thats gege giving sukuna plot armor. Gojo would absolutely beat uraume/kenjaku/sukuna on that moment. speaking this as a sukuna fan
@@artchagmam8458 It would be funny watching the 3 of them get clapped
@@artchagmam8458 He said he had to do mental training to handle Sukuna being in Megumi's body.
I'm afraid Gojo is at fault here for not having resolve, which is on-brand because dude couldn't even finish off Geto's body.
You don't get it, his title as a fraud comes from his real name, Sukuplot.
Since the start of the gojo fight, every major point involving him is filled with bs energy capable of slashing the very fabric of logic.
Furthermore, deep examinations of corresponding manga pages reveals dubious ash motifs and mysterious white stains, manifesting always but only in the presence of the tatooed scammer.
Their meaning is obscure, but their reccurence coincide with the peaks in bs particles discovered by radiation detectors.
Thats why its recommended to either read the fight online or read it while in a hazmat suit, such levels of bs energy can become radioactive and harm the reader.
"mysterious white stains"
thats completely wrong, the gojo fight was completely logical and made perfect sense all the way through.
The only white stains are the residue you guys forgot to wipe off the sides of your mouth
@@deeeeeeznutz damn, you are such a hipocrite, you talk all that shit despite the fact that the only reason YOU dont have white stains in your mouth is that you left Sukuna dry days ago.
Gojo won the fight, cementing himself as the strongest sorcerer in history. However Sukuna killed him. There is a difference.
smartest gay/jo fan
@@Roberto-fg9oj Least fraudulent Sukuna fan (He's going to summon 15 other Sukuna fans to save him)
@@BlandyBoiYTshit bro u know the tactic 😢. Anyways, Gojo was going all out and using all of his techniques at almost Full potential. Whether on the other hands Sukuna didn't showed, something like haien era form , flames , kamutoke etc. And you guys still have the audacity to say gojo is the strongest in history is damn big dawg.
I mean
Sukuna = Gojo
But
Sukuna just used High risk high reward strategy to permanently bypass infinity (BIG RAGA).
Instead of using low risks low reward (Domain amplification/ expansion)which does not give permanent solution of infinity.
@@hashiramasenju5472 A lot of his techniques would have been useless in the fight, notably flames (as it has no way at all to bypass infinity) and his heian era form, as that would (presumably) stop him from using 10 shadows. Domain amplification puts Sukuna in a bad situation by stopping him from using his CT, which admittedly was otherwise useless but I digress. Domain expansion was used numerous times but led to both combatants receiving brain damage. It's not that Sukuna was holding back, it's that what he didn't use would have been useless or made the situation worse.
@@hashiramasenju5472 the only sukuna fan with a working brain
CEO of Sukuna enterprises here, you bring up a very good argument. But although your argument is great, it still does not beat the fact that he basically tanked a 200 percent purple enhanced purple from gojo which he barely noticed, managed to survive in Gojos domain for 3 minutes while gojo was trying to murk him (Despite our glorious four eyed prince being a “fraud.”) And lastly, he made turned goatjo into fraud/Jo. We are still pleased with your PowerPoint despite the obviously faulty fraud allegations. Many regards from the sukuna PR team.
CEO-Sukuna enterprises.
Literally Gojo here,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you about how difficult it was to make this video. While I do have a clear favorite in this fight, myself, it was with a heavy heart that I had to call Sukuna a fraud. Though he is without a doubt, The Glazed One, Gege’s favorite child, plotkuna, and the king of frauds… he is still one of my favorite villains of all time. And though I firmly believe Sukuna is no fraud, I will leave you with this: Maintaining the agenda is our top priority.
-Literally Gojo
As a representative of Gojo industries, i must explain how this is wrong, Gojo wasnt trying to delete Sukuna with that 200% HP, he was like 2 miles away and wanted to get his adopted son back, also, Gojo also managed to tank through Sukuna's domain, while Sukuna barely survived despite the fact Gojo was only punching him in there instead of spamming techniques.
Source: Gojo, plus, you wasnt even there.
-representative of Gojo industries
CEO of Sukuna enterprises here, and while yes, he wasn’t intending to take Sukuna out with that attack, that was essentially because it COULDNT take him out, as it was,as you stated, far away, but it was still a 200 percent purple nonetheless.And while gojo did “tank” the malevolent shrine, it left him with severe cuts and bruises throughout his body for the rest of the fight, Sukuna had also managed to win more domain clashes, with gojo barely being able to use his domain by a marginal difference.Nonetheless, Our glorious four eyed king had still won the battle of the strongest and had turned gojo into an taken apart Lego, our stocks are up, and we will continue to thrive in Sukuna enterprises, thank you for your time.
-CEO of Sukuna enterprises@@rockargen9591
I see. The others shall hear of this
-CEO of Sukuna enterprises@@lukalevi
With all due respect, mr CEO... What you want is soft rn.
Can we just appreciate how much effort was put into making this an actual video presentation 😂 this has gotta be the funniest shit I've ever seen
Man i still remember when us sukuna fans were in distress seeing him get his shit rocked and and clowned on every week...i will never forget those times...
Who ya got? Comment for team Gojo, Like for team Sukuna
I just want to see Sukuna use double nukes with his 4 arms. That’d be fucking sick right?
I will comment for Gojo even though I am on Team Gokkuna because no one is repping him.
Holy guaccomloe, this video made me burst out in laughter so many time, we WILL be clocking in for the next video!
I can see how the way the Sukuna killed Gojo was a little, bad, in some ways, but I just want to say that is very easy to think "I will spawn a cleave on top of him" but a lot harder to actually do it. People have been imagining things that are technically possible but we don't know how to reach for centuries now, that includes all of fiction and more, for example: Space ship goes fiuuu really fast, how? We don't know, but we can imagine the end result, we don't know how to get to that point.
Just because Sukuna could think about spawning a cleave on top of the world itself doesn't mean he just knew how, and bending space in such way isn't easy to achieve without a model, teacher or experience. The understanding only comes after the act, and Mahoraga was the perfect way to see how he can do it and replicate it, he being able to do it after only one look shows that he was, indeed, very smort at least... and it was a good way to get rid of Gojo as well, but my point still stands.
Seeing it once with no explanation is equally helpful
@@Aryan-qv5qk I mean, that's just how Sukuna is. He saw that Gojo could RCT his brain and was like "yooo I can do the same." Seeing it in practice makes it far easier to get things like this.
If you described to someone who has no knowledge of how to walk the act of walking, they are gonna learn more from seeing you do it and analysing your body rather than you describing it in words.
I think the reason this, and for me many of the other fights, are unsatisfying and difficult to justify them being earned is because the overall jujutsu system is pretty vague and ill-defined allowing for characters to just pull shit out of their ass and pretend they had an epiphany or figured something out. This let's GeGe determine the narrative free of any constraints but turns the investment of the reader into the fights into just a popularity contest. I keep comparing it to the magic system in early Naruto of all things, how jutsus were often stretched into contrivance but when they were kept simple and used in a surprising or innovative ways to defeat an opponent it was very satisfying.
Take barrier techniques for example. This was the first thing that struck me as strange. They have zero relationship to anything we learn about CTs or CE, it's just something people with CE can do and we are told their basic properties. Then the explanations of CDs, is it an expansion of the CT in the soul like an Evangelion AT field or something? All the rules between CTs, Barriers and CDs are disconnected and arbitrary.
Then the arbitrary nature of CTs. How can something intrinsic to the brain and inheritable be "combined with technology" to make something like Hakari's CT. And if such can be innovated, why isn't everyone warping their CT's to be as broken? At that point CTs cease being intrinsic to an individual and just a starting point for you to make an entirely different one. Funnily enough I seem to be agreeing with the "conservatives", just for narrative reasons; Nobara's CT is utilised much better. It's easy to understand, doesn't threaten the reader's suspension of disbelief with arbitrary rules, and is satisfying when she lands a resonance turning the tables against often stronger opponents.
It seems obvious most of this will be explained eventually, just like how only Japanese people have CE, but to be so deep into the story and have literally none of it hammered out is pretty lame. I keep feeling like the manga should be at least twice as long for where it has reached already. To neglect all that and then start throwing JoJo characters around in the death game arc makes everything very bizarre. I like them and think they could work with better background, but it's just so disjointed from the tone already set.
@@Nomatophobic The manga doesn't need to be longer. Gege had an interesting system, he just absolutely sucks at conveying it effectively.
If he could do it minutes after seeing it once, then it was easy. You comparaison with ships don't apply.
Gojo wins, Mahoraga carried
sukuna won
Facts
Go/jo lost and glazed sukuna cope
sukuna carried mahoraga if you read the fight. he had to shoulder the burden of adaptation for a majority of the fight, which heavily nerfed him, though it brought great benefits for sukuna in the end, an enhanced cleave.
@@4nnd711 megumi did that wtf u talkin about. Sukuna didn't do shit he was running a 4v1.
I think people really miss a concept about Sukuna that he is strong because he's a fast learner, adapter. The king can really learn how to translate his soul into object by watching Kenjaku did the thing to him. The same context happened in Gojo fight, watching two level 100 mafia boss smashing and struggling is the coolest thing I've ever seen. They learnt from battle, that what the strongest do.
this guy is incredibly underrated 😭
Dude! Youre making meta comentary analisis not of jjk, but the fandom??
Freaking brilliant
Also agree with every point
Counter argument as to why sukuna is still a fraud and not a winner. As you said, sukuna couldn't NARRATIVELY LOSE to gojo in that fight so the outcome was always going to be gojo loses or doesn't finish him off. So the one who really killed gojo was gege, gojo won the fight but lost the war basically. The narrative whiplash between 235 and 236 is palpable and 236 just feels like an asspull because we don't see the attack that turned the battle in sukuna's favor all we get is an explanation as to how it should work (which is and of itself an asspull) and gojo dead on the floor. When you take into consideration that sukuna was on his last legs with barely any CE left facing down a black flash amped gojo who can literally see the sparks of cursed energy, get hit by a move that he would've been easily able to DODGE or heal with RCT, the outcome of the fight begins to look more like bad writing with gege covering sukuna's ass than sukuna in gege's own head being able to make a genuine comeback from that position he was in with any tools sukuna had at his disposal.
Thats bad writing. I personally am a big fan of sukuna and gojo fan and i truly believe everything sukuna pulled off COULD work if proper buildup was done.
counter argument to the meme: Sukuna had a way to bypass Infinity, literally Malevolent Shrine itself. Sukuna purposely tanked Gojo domain to adapt to his domain and then adapt to infinity and then level up his curse technique attack. Gojo was also wondering why Sukuna had let Gojo taking hits most of the time while not using other technique, aka fire Fuga. Sukuna deliberately taken a risk here to level up his technique because his character is about self growth, which is stated in the Kashimo fight. He doesnt think he will loses ever, therefore take a more risky gamble of stalling for Mahogara to adapt, which lead him to alot of distressed moments that he couldve avoided if he had gone all out. Its crazy to see that Gege are able to written the most perfect fight accordingly to their character and make it as if Gojo was on even playing ground, while leaving clear evident of how Sukuna had been helding back alot.
go/jo is the funniest way to say that gojo died without actually saying it
That intro joke where you fast clicked past a pic of gojo was iconic 😂
Ok this is how the main cast is going to win
1. The whole squad getts clapped by Ryomen Bullshit Sukuna
2. Itadori gets a bs powerup
3. Itadori high diffs sukuna
4. Itadori gets ptsd
Or if a gojo fan finds gege's adres
1. Whole cast get's folded
2. Gojo pulls up somehow
3. He locks up sukuna inside the prison realm
😂😂 u are deffo deserve this sub keep it up!
236 really did a number on Go/jo fans 💀
Looks like gojo's death affected everyone in the jjk community. Gojo fans dont realize that mahoraga was the counter sukuna had against gojo. And sukuna fans dont realize infinity was the counter gojo had against sukuna. so it makes sense they "relied" on it when they wouldnt be able to do anything to each other without it. One just utilized their counter better and won the fight.
exactly, one who fought with his ego, and one who actually planned his way to victory, goated ass villain sukuna.
without mahoraga
Sukuna could only ever use two moves on Gojo
Domain Amplification: he still get fucking boxed to the ground the entire fight
Domain Expansion: dude got Gojo in his domain two times and couldn't kill him, and was getting manhandled by Gojo in his own fucking domain.
@@midori8807 you are leaving out important context, but i'm too tired to tell you. oh well
@@4nnd711 just tell me, i've already put too much context on my other comments to write it all in one reply section, point it out so we can have a discussion
@@midori8807 Sukuna still has aces under his sleeve. He didnt use Mahoraga to counter Gojo or win the fight specifically, he used Mahoraga to improve his technique. People forget that Sukuna doesnt care more about victory than he cares more about being a sorcery nerd and having fun. Pretty sure he still could beat Gojo without Mahoraga using his other resources
@@Lucas-st1xq
he has no other resources and anything you could state to prove otherwise so far, unless that spear shown he was holding somehow got in his hands and has some properties that could get pass through infinity, other than that all you have told me so far are mear "speculations" that cannot be proven.
yes what you said is true, Sukuna do not fucking care about victory he more so care only about improving himself, but you can't fucking deny that he needed mahoraga 90% of the time aswell as megumi, he was resourceful of what he has, he have full knowledge of Gojo's abilities, he knew mahoraga would be useful to quote on quote "strip gojo off his scales" basically meaning he would progressively use what he have "Mahoraga" to do something about infinity, even with gojo's statement people ignore the fact that gojo was not even sure of his own statement about sukuna being stronger, and then later on Sukuna said something that disproves their claims stating that "he needed mahoraga to be his example to modify and adjust his abilities to suit him in his fight against Gojo" he even fucking needed Megumi's soul to tank most of the damage, and he literally gets bodied in his own domain 2 times in a row, gets knocked out 2 times in a row and get saved by mahoraga 2 times in a row, further proving that he really needed mahoraga.
the fight ended us "Gojo won the battle of the strongest"
but
"Sukuna was simply a better sorcerer" which caused Gojo his death.
Gojo fought with brawn and ego.
Sukuna fought with strategy and manipulation and resourcefulness.
him becoming stronger by obtaining a newly modified cursed technique through mahoraga was only the outcome of overcoming a huge obstacle.
if we are gonna explain this like how it is in mythology stories.
Sukuna is basically like a demi god with god beast slayer resources and battle experience.
while Gojo is a huge beast and one of the obstacles on the long run.
without mahoraga.
the only thing Sukuna can do that would damage gojo is.
Domain Expansion: which gojo freakin tanked and bodied sukuna in his own domain.
Domain Amplification: Which Gojo still bodied Sukuna to the ground throughout the entire fight.
further solidifying his title as the strongest, but he was simply not the best.
Sukuna is such a goated main villain compared to other anime main villains.
Sukuna basically did the kratos
Mahoraga played the role as the greatest weapon. "Blade of Olympus"
and Gojo is just there with his hax and pure power
"Zeus"
I think a big part of JJK is that it doesn't really power scale. It's a lot more believable that a group of sorcerers would scale far beyond any one person. Whilst Gojo is absurdly cracked for one guy, he's also only one guy. When you start piling on heaps of techniques, heaps of ways to chip at him, heaps of ways to tire him out and so on, it becomes far more believable that he'd die. Cursed energy efficiency or not, he does break down, and we see that with Sakuna nad Mahoraga. I know that he did not know everything he knows now with Toji, but Toji is a great way to show that even someone near Godhood can, if you outwit them, be slain. You can say hwy didn't everyone fight with Gojo, but we already know that Gojo has huge explosive attacks that make it hard for him to d owhat he's trying to do if anyone he cares about si around. It's better off for him to fight alone, a lot of the time. Whereas, with the others, their techniques aren't nearly as AoE. I feel like Sukuna is already getting the beat down (though you might not have seen that), and I feel like it's quite reasonable to believe that against a bunch of sorcerers, Sukuna has no chance. Gojo's technique is honestly one of the worst to fight. It's really hard to counter him, even with a bunch of folks, it can be, but against most techniques, he's one of the most ''untouchable''. Sukuna doesn't really have that. Because it's not really abot merely being stronger, it's a lot about how well you use what you use (I'm not saying strength means nothing, I mena, think about Dragon Ball Z, and then think about this. It's night and day, for me.) what you've got. How you play your hand. Gojo might be able to kill everyone, within reason, but I don't know about Sukuna. Of the two, I think Gojo would have a much easier time.
Bro made gojo from a glass not empty to a glass half full💀💀
1:00 just a side note, all of his attack names have a cooking theme in the original Japanese. Dismantle was actually “filet” and his DE apparently literally translates to “Pandemonium in the Imperial Kitchen”. So while goofy compared to the most common translation, “Malevolent Kitchen” is less a translation error but rather a communication failure between translators
Deadass gojo beat sukuna in his own body
Madara was cool but he droped no body checked for sukuna
Now we have the problem how to get rid of him like madara who kishimoti had to aasspull to get rid of him,lets see if gege can do it better
That is what you should call bad writing, when an author is dumb enough to create a charachter that is way too strong for his verse and then he tries to use obvious plot armors and obvious asspulls to nerf that character in every fight. When i saw that dagger, i knew the plot would be ass, no surpise.
🤣 true. True. Welcome to shounen battle manga where every author gives up on his own rules to finish
In defense for the allegations. Before full out summoning of Mahoraga, getting his shit rocked was kind of a necessity for his plan to work. Which explains why he intentionally prolonged destroying Gojo's domain barrier and deactivated his domain amp just to get thrown around by Gojo.
Asking to take UV just cause he was the strongest in history is kinda dumb. Same rules apply to sorcerers of any age. In terms of Jujutsu sorcery he cleared showed by he's superior multiple times throughout the fight.
Some of these points can be directed against Gojo as well. The world cutting slash is kinda of thing thought to be impossible from common knowledge unless of course u see it happen. Sukuna is an aggressive fighter yet had to take a defensive approach because of the adaption. The whole fight was just another opportunity to get stronger for Sukuna rather than a fight to kill Gojo which is supported by him intentionally not using his abilites or holding back his abilities, Prolonging the domain battle, using 10 shadows. He simply could've just transformed when he got hit with the red inside the shrine and he never would've gotten brain damage and Gojo would've lost in 1 of the proceeding domain battles. Heck he could've stacked the 10s technique on top of the shrine too.
Fraud allegations against Gojo: U literally set the date for the fight and gave both parties prep time and is yet surprised by the fact that Sukuna has an open domain.Which Choso said Yuji and Inumaki mentioned about.
Says "You're the challenger" to Sukuna and yet does the dumb thing of challenging Sukuna's domain when he knows he will lose. Brother, u can literally teleport. U could've just gone out of Sukuna's
domain
Gojo didn't think of the possibility of an world cutting slash either or applying that theory to his own technique.
Telling he'd win TWICE and then proceeding to lose achieving almost nothing and leaving everything up to his students and then starts
glazing his enemy ones his dead and couldn't even make him go all out
I know limitless is your technique but u don't have to use it every
milisecond of the fight if you're the strongest u know. What? afraid of getting a bit hurt? U pretty much has a better byakugan for eyes, so u can just use your extra gaurd only when u want right?
As to why Gojo is not surviving a domain round against a 20 finger Sukuna in heian era which i'll be referring to as "og Sukuna" actually going all out straight for the kill
( which also supports my claim that the only reason Sukuna needed 10s was so he can make him self stronger by evolving his own CT rather than to kill Satoru Gojo) :
Compared to Meguna, og Sukuna has shown to be
Physically stronger - He's like 3x size of Megumi and hence stronger. Its common sense
Faster - Went from getting used as a punching bag by base Kashimo( Sukuna was severely injured at
this point but..) and then Manhandled a CT Kashimo who is way faster.
Itadori could keep up with Meguna pretty easily but got left in the dust by og Sukuna in a
recent chapter.
Extra advantages :
The 2 extra arms and mouth :- Said to be the BIGGEST advantage a sorcerer can have.
The 2 extra arms : Gives a great advantage in hand 2 hand combat which imo is better than Gojo since
obviously he has 2 extra arms plus the increase in speed in his og body. Which takes
away another thing Gojo had an edge on in the fight that did happen.
Possibly can use 2 CT's at the same time(a big maybe) but can weave hand signs
and use his technique simultaneously because of the advantage.
The extra mouth : Can do infinite number of chants which makes it possible for Sukuna to have an
above 100% output at all times and buff his techniques mid combat. So the slashes
Gojo would get hit in the domain are way stronger and lethal which would take more
rct to heal and simple domain wouldn't last long enough for Gojo to recover.
Cursed tools : The Kamitoke and the trident looking thing have been shown and hinted to be in the
possession of Sukuna during his life in the heian period. We know the Kamitoke uses
lightning based attacks and the trident should have a water or earth based attack in my
speculation since Sukuna already has fire(Fuga), Wind(Cleave and dismantle) and
lightning( Kamitoke) based attacks.
Now if Sukuna were to use the above mentioned things and his usual aggresive attacking fighting style I think its pretty fair to Say that Sukuna cooks a Michelin star fish fillet with Gojo.
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Gojo didn't teleport because Gege said there are "specific conditions" to his teleportation. What are those conditions you ask? No one fucking knows.
Gege can't write Gojo's powers, dude has to resort go random math garbage to "explain" his ability.
Don't forget that Sukuna is the king of deadly poisons. Gojo said he cannot filter out poisons with infinity. It interests me that ability wasn't used, poison would logically be very effective, and he didn't use a fire arrow in his first domain after breaking Gojo's domain, while Gojo was vulnerable either, in fact, he didnt use anything other than cursed energy reinforcement, which would indicate that Sukuna was using 10 shadows since the start of domain clashes. Keep in mind that Gojo has zero feats to show that he has heat resistance of that level. A fire arrow from 15-finger Sukuna had already oneshot, vaporized a beast like Mahoraga and incinerated the very incarnation of fire, Jogo. Imagine one from sukuna in his true form at 20 fingers+ mummy corpse, amped by all the chants and hand seals. Yeah. Crazy. Gojo has no heat resistance feats of that level, and I repeat. It's a reasonable argument. Given the numerous statements claiming that Sukuna was holding back, it all makes sense.
not enough? The man didn't even use incantations, hand seals, or black flashes when Gojo used all of the former to boost himself during the fight so that he wouldn't fall behind, all of that coupled with infinity making him inviolable, and blue-infused punches greatly boosting his punches effectiveness, power and speed. There were so many layers upon layers of amps that brought advantages for Gojo when Sukuna only used basic cursed energy reinforcement throughout the whole fight and played defensive for the sake of Mahoraga adapting, same fighting strategy he also did during the Yorozu fight, so in many ways i see that as a test run for this type of strategy. The defensive playstyle based on taking hits for adaptation has a high risk to reward ratio, and Sukuna was smart enough to see the benefits. Now, with the spatial dismantle, he should be virtually impossible to trap within a domain, as he can slash and break them from the inside.
@@4nnd711 well this didn't age well
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1. jogo for heat resistance feats as the dude was put inside a volcano n parried his attacks, fire arrow is not greater than a volcano if you think otherwise ur crazy shit. fire arrow is slow as hell too wtf is sukuna gonna do to use allat, one red can instantly kill him trade off isn't worth it
2.only young gojo couldn't block poisons, geto said he mastered everything by the end of hidden inventory, he also pauses a cup of tea in s1 which is a form of liquid proving it more
3. sukuna used *BOTH hand signs on chants together* on kashimo and he dodged it with all limbs intact, dudes not even the fastest sorcerer so what makes u think that'd do shit to gojo, the fastest sorcerer exactly???
and im pretty i don't need to say this but black flashes are based off luck???
4. sukuna was not looking for benefits the dude was literally stated to be stressing, he wanted to win the battle as soon as possible.
this comment really just disregards a lot man
@@flappyflap2693 for the chanting, it's more related to the domain, imagine a 120% amped malevolent shrine on top of sure-hit cleave and dismantle that sukuna could spam on top of it by himself
Your bisected buddy is packed buddy, its over lol.
goatkuna clears
Im not even a Sukuna fan but its obvious that Sukuna had other resources to use against Gojo. But he cares more about being a sorcey nerd and having fun rather than underhanded victory. He used Mahoraga because he wanted to improve his tecnique, its simple as that - Gojo would've lost with or without Mahoraga
People dont bring this up, but the only thing he did that negatively effected the Sorcerers during Shibuya was take Inumaki's arm and traumatize Yuji. He saved them from Jogo and Mahoraga. For half the series he was literally Kurama😭
Oh, but he killed a bunch of randos🤓
Nobody cares bro💀
Go/jo fans love to say 10s but its the reason gojo lasted that long lol
1. With 10s, sukuna needs to buy time to adapt, so he attacked UV 's outside only.
2. With 10s been out, sukuna can't use other CTs while inside UV to break its weaken inside barrier. Confirms what gojo said in chap 228 about sukuna not using CT inside nor breaking Uv from inside.
3.1 10s been out, makes sukuna only option to destroy Uv, is to turn off MS surehit inside & use DA for Uv( only after he gets the needed time to adapt). why??? Cuz using other Ct inside the domain = cancelled 10s, no 2 ct at sametime.
3.2 But since DA pauses adaptation, sukuna had to turn it off in the domains( stated in chap 230) and take more damage to adapt. Sukuna can't adapt if DA is on or when MS surehit is off inside.
4. In all ,10s been out limits sukuna options of out lasting UV 3min 9s with DA & using Cts inside the domain to break UV from the inside, but sukuna said it payed off in the end in chap 230 and he got the ultimate pay off, world cutter.
-No 10s = No MS surehit off= free use of DA inside domain to defend gojo's attacks
- No 10s = chanted cleave's that adjust to Uv weaken barrier CE breaking it from inside(or firearrow to break
Uv).
- No 10s = sukuna destroying gojo with his entire kit once Uv breaks but since he didn't want ot cancel 10s adaptation he didn't do that lol.
This argument is stupid. If he didnt had 10S gojo would have used a different tactic. He wouldn't have had to worry about mahoraga adapting to infinity, so he could've had just chilled while being untouchable.
Not saying you are wrong here, just saying that it becomes a "what if" scenario that is litterally impossible to predict. You cannot assume that removing certain elements from the fight would make some characters still do the same actions, hence my previous comment.
@@angel-memeroftheisles1. Gojo didn't even know maho was adapting till 229 but still went for the same tatic cuz UV was is only real & sure to work win con. 2. Gojo being untouchable if maho wasn't adapting to infinity??? Bro would get cook by sukuna, please explain how?? Lol.
Gojo would always go for DE battle , bro literally said he use all his power, quick thinking, tatent and went allout, please explain what different tatic he would use.
@@angel-memeroftheislesbro gojo cann't relax and being untouchable, 1. Purple wasn't isn't a win con as sukuna would read his CE spark and know he's doing an big attack and purple as too much charge time, this why gojo use purple on sukuna 2 times in the entire fight( 1st one as a trick& 2nd one include tricks & good setup). So sukuna would dodge all of those purple's.
2. I always say give gojo an open barrier domain so sukuna can't attack the outside and get rid of the advantages of sukuna true form then gojo wins all day, but it doesn't matter what tatic gojo does ,it would still come down to a DE clash which he 's cooked if sukuna isn't adapting.
@@angel-memeroftheisles people keep saying he could have used a different strategy. What strategy could he have used that wouldn't have resulted in Gojo being cooked? I genuinely struggle to see it.
Gojo PR team
w video
sukuna may be a fraud as of now
but when i am done with him he will no longer be a fraud
I'm in the "Let Gege cook" PR team... maybe slightly leaning towards sukuna glazing team. Overall though, their fight was not only absolutely phenomenal, but also generational. I'd be surprised if Gojo vs Sukuna isn't included as one of the most influential anime/manga fights in modern time.
I'm full on the fraudkuna thing but honestly with a domain expansion battle without holding back to make mahoraga adapt, sukuna just kill gojo. Gojo's infinity wouldn't work cuz CT get canceled after using a domain and the slashes of sukuna would just be far stronger.
Not true
Im on sukuna's pr team(in spirit)
Neither are a fraud, Sukuna is just too glazed
Sukuna lowkey is the Einstein of JJK mahoraga was just adapting bro was movin like a true American and stole his work and used it against Gojo but tbh Sukuna was set up to beat Gojo tbh like even if he didn’t adapt his technique he was packing his true form reboot
domain amplification and domain exapnsion to beat limitless
So strong he needs mahoraga and nue to jump his opps, I know megumi must have the inherited technique: MAHORAGA SAVE ME because sukuna jumped in his body and started using it too
I don't mean to be rude, but Sukuna had the means to bypass "ifinity" "domain expansion" and "domain amplification". Plus Gojo himself stated that he didn't think he could beat Sukuna even if he didn't have "the ten shadows".
"gojo stated" look dawg it doesn't take a super genius to know that gege made gojo spout that shit out his mouth like please realistically think of a way sukuna would win without ten shadows instead of just taking the character's word for it, sukuna himself even planned to use mahogara for gojo as he literally said this to megumi "i need you alive for my future plans", conflicts the narrative like literally.
@@flappyflap2693 what part of "Sukuna already had the means to bypass infinity" do you not understand? Enlightenment me.
@@Genji-Agito and where did i mention anything about you being wrong about this fact? enlighten me please because *i fucking specifically left out arguments to your other points because of that, don't act up.*
@@flappyflap2693during the domain clashes gojo was barely able to damage sakuna just in time before he got his domain destroyed(this was stated in the chapter). Now if we insert 4 arm sakuna using domain I don't think gojo would have enough time to damage sakuna.
@@flappyflap2693 if anything, you're the one acting up.
I'm just saying, both of them said they were gonna win but only one did
that is also what im wondering, if Sukuna have 4 arms, does this means he also has 4 balls and 2 c0kes
Why do gojo fans love bring up sukuna can't hit gojo with his kit cuz of infinity??, bro do they forget DE & DA can by pass it and the only reason sukuna didn't use can other Cts while UV was destroyed was cause of 10s being out and not wanting to cancel its adaptation.
and gojo survived his domain. so that already makes it invalid. but I do believe even without mahoraga sukuna could probably win if the fight was drawn out long enough for sukuna to adapt to infinity.
@@lemonboychris Survive MS so that makes it invalid??, 1. Gojo had to use RCT at full output which= constantly dropping his RCT, 2. Gojo couldn't handle MS with RCT only bro had to use the 1st SD to heal his wounds & when that wasn't a good option gojo heal his CT instead, 3. Chap 228 state if gojo keeps statemating with sukuna he would run out of options and lose cause he's RCT output would drop to the point were he couldn't handle a 3rd MS. 4. Chap 230 gojo RCT drop to such a shit level by casting DE and blasting his RCT at max output against MS 2 times, which made it that he was going to die to Ms in chap 230 if sukuna pull it off.
Bro gojo survive 1st domain if sukuna is adaptating. Its not a high diff fight if sukuna isn't using 10s, its a mid diff short fight, as sukuna would simply destroy gojo RCT output with firearrow and making it so that gojo output would drop to a point were he wouldn't be able to survive a 2nd or 3rd MS the most( gojo RCT was at max output for against MS alone, put additional damage like firearrow and gojo RCT is overwelm & done for, so die in a 2nd or 3rd MS at most or die in the 1st once sukuna spam his entire kit on gojo). Also NO 10s = gojo UV breaks in every clash, running down his CE thus lower his RCT output by default.
@twinbrosgamersja4919 Gojo can survive a domain or 2 if sukuna is using 10s. And win almost every domain clash. but without 10s, he isn't winning a domain clash, but his domain would be more dangerous for gojo. if he's still in megumi's body, then he can tank one UV and potentially win the fight. but both of them can't just spam domains at each other, and since gojo has the better defense, that being infinity, he has an advantage over sukuna in that regard. making it high-extreme diff until sukuna adapts.
@@lemonboychris for when sukuna was adapting,gojo loss 2 ,tie 3 and win 1 cause sukuna lag lol. gojo RCT running at max output against MS alone Confirms any addition damage would simply overwelm his RCT and bring it down to an even shitter state than chap 230 as the damage to be beyond his capabilities lol.
Also sukuna wouldn't spam DE over & over only gojo would do that lol. N0 10s = No MS surehit turn off inside= can use CT inside inside UV to break it from the inside( gojo knew sukuna could break inside and wondering why he wasn't). Also in true form sukuna could simply chant and increase strenght of his surehit( as chants increase CT output and surehit is your CT surrounding everything) and sukuna true makes it possible to fight while chanting in that small space( no body can do that, don't have extra hands&mouths)and he can chant endlessly which means he can match his DE duration. The moment UV breaks its kO for gojo as he would die in a 2nd or 3rd clash.
Also sukuna isn't affected by UV wheather megumi soul is there or not, sukuna only ever got hit cuz his surehit was late at expanding to protect him( if megumi soul was protecting sukuna why would he need DA in 2nd clash or get hit in chap 229).
@@lemonboychris1. With 10s been out, sukuna can't use other CTs while inside UV to break its weaken inside barrier. Confirms what gojo said in chap 228 about sukuna not using CT inside nor breaking Uv from inside.
2.1 10s been out, makes sukuna only option to destroy Uv, is to turn off MS surehit inside & use DA for Uv( only after he gets the needed time to adapt). why??? Cuz using other Ct inside the domain = cancelled 10s, no 2 ct at sametime.
2.2 But since DA pauses adaptation, sukuna had to turn it off in the domains( stated in chap 230) and take more damage to adapt. Sukuna can't adapt if DA is on or when MS surehit is off inside.
-No 10s = No MS surehit off inside = free use of DA inside domain to defend gojo's attacks
- No 10s = chanted cleave's that adjust to Uv weaken barrier CE breaking it from inside(or firearrow to break Uv).
- No 10s = sukuna destroying gojo with his entire kit once Uv breaks but since he didn't want to cancel 10s adaptation he didn't do that lol.
Gojo won against meguna but lost to sukuna
sukuna had to steal a childs body and do a 3v1 to be able to beat gojo
fraudkuna
I have a personal look on it, Gojo did WIN the fight and was the strongest because Sukuna needed Mahoraga (the whole bit with Gojo riding Sukuna was just a character moment), but now that Sukuna DID defeat Gojo, NOW he is the strongest and holds that title
respect my king????
Gojo just jogo-ed💀☠️
Bro gojo was literally in the middle of MS after first domain clash WITHOUT any anti domain technique, No just tell me how he survived it!!!
aint no way bro is comparing sukuna to the kyubei
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I don’t know man only one of them is currently dead
Gojo is 100% dead
I subbed, you are obligated to be my friend now
Done and done
The cope is unreal in your videos
You misspelled *facts* bro
@@imb4928 big lol
Sukunas PR team here but better with Yuji than in Megumi that was not a big brain move
exibit f gojo split in half
if gojo used linux he might have won but since he's an apple fanboy he got rocked shits dxeserved to be honest like what can you expect from someone who uses propraietary software wtf
Linux is trash for 99% of people
Bro he took over megumis body the biggest fraud the point hes making is showing how he can use the fraudest to win ofcourse he will try everything he's nerfed
I WILL STAND ON THIS HILL TILL I DIE SUKUNA EVEN SAID BIG RAGGA WAS GONNA DIE. IF HE FOUGHT GOJO ALONE SO HE HAD TO BABYSIT HIM HE DIDNT EVEN GO FULL OUT ON GOJO. THEN THATS ONLY 15 FINGER SUKUNA IF HE HAD ALL 20 FINIGERS HE WOULDNT EVEN NEED BIG RAGGA. THEN HE ONLY NEEDED BIG RAGGA TO GET PAST INFINITY I AM THE BIGGEST SUKUNA MEAT RIDER AND I DONT CARE SUKUNA WOULD ALWAYS SOLO GOJO ILL STAND ON THAT PLUS HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE HIS SWORD PLUS GOJO ONLY SURVIVED AS LONG AS HE DID BECAUSE OF INFINITY
Kyuubey slander? lmfao kyuubey is a far better villain than this fraud. sukuna just wants to kick ass, kyuubey literally harvests the souls of teenage girls to keep the universe from fucking imploding
Yuji finishing Sukuna off with a 7:3 Cleave Black Flash Flowing Red Scale Yadda Yadda
itakuna > meguna
If sukuna was a fraud, then gojo goes beyond that of a normal fraud.
My glorious King tanked two 200% hollow purples and used fraud/jo as a training dummy to unlock a new move
Sukuna could easily win without Mahoraga and this is easily proven
cry more gay/jo fan 😂😂😂
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