Considering the price and the horizontal recoil the M4 is trash in 12.12. I think they did M4 dirty. I enjoyed them end of last wipe. Now I don’t think they’re worth running except to do M4 tasks. I find it really disappointing.
The SCAR-L and the MDR are just straight up better options across the board. Theres just not a good reason to spend the extra time and money to build a decent M4 other than the aesthetics :(
Agree with you - think the old adar used to come with the colt buffer for some reason, seems like they fixed that so now you have to get it separately! Missed that one :)
I did the entirety of my Peacekeeping mission quests with an Adar M4 where I bought the a cheap Adar and slapped all it's parts on an M4 lower just like you did and found it was still incredibly effective. Biggest issue is no laser for close range but for a gun that only costs 40k I'll happily take some trade offs.
I don't know the price of TX15 now. I swapped TX15 parts to M4 for ~70k when doing that mission, install the silencer from the rouge I farm. And it's so damn cool (either the looking or stats).
Bro your videos are the only ones worth watching. Everyone else has low quality "this is the build" with names that you can't search in market place because they abbreviate which defeats the purpose of helping people who don't know these things. Your videos are the best, you show the build, how to build it, and leave no room for error. Keep it up mate you got me hooked.
I actually really enjoyed the gameplay at the end, was nice to see the principles and mindset you prefaced your builds with in action. Also, the text explaining your thoughts during your engagements makes me want to show this video to my friend who just started the game. It very cleanly and concisely explains your thought process. Without the voice over it was almost therapeutic somehow, like Tarkov ASMR lmao
I've been running the 20 rounders in my ADARs and M4s this wipe as well, love to see it. This wipe has been interesting to recontextualize the M4 and 5.56 caliber. I tell the newer players to be wary about the platform, it takes more discipline to run than it did in previous wipes, and those stats never tell the full story for feel and performance.
I always say I don't hate the gun I hate the ammo most complaints I hear are about 5.56/5.45 are the recoil and lack of stopping power combined with the issues of dmg and penetration drop off at range.
I mean 56a1 and 55a1 are pretty good imo... Sure they're not the 2 hit of BP but unless you're sniping rogues at 300m it's definitely effective. I find getting headshots with 556 much easier than the larger calibers, which I don't doubt is in part due to how fast the rounds fly
I know I'm nitpicking, but you miss the +2 ergo in the low recoil build from the front and rear sight you could add ! Not much, but I'm used to add them to all my builds (maybe matters more since the silent nerfs about ergo since last patch) Thanks again for your great content ! Kurg
Your builds of finding the right balance between balance cost and effectiveness has been my thesis for my entire time playing this game. I use a very similar AK74 to the one you posted a few weeks ago and I run a similar M4 that got me through Peacekeeper Mission without dying. I Scav run a lot so I get ahold of a lot of barter items for trades. 2 leather caps and a Boss cap get you a Thunder Beast 5 Suppressor from Skier 3 (better then KAC) and Mechanic 2 has the 260mm barrel for 2 damaged LCDs. Swap the grip with the MOE, a BOTL Charging Handle, 3x EoTech and a Laser/Light Combo all chilling around in the stash for 51 Recoil / 53 Ergo (M855A1 for PK Mission). Use the M4 over the ADAR. Full auto, even with 90 Recoil, will save you in extreme cqb with that 800 rpm. Has saved my skin numerous times, including that Deathless Peace Keeper Mission. Keep up the content. I send new PMC's to this channel!
I've been loving a loud build with the jailbreak and bulletec compensators, noveske upper and advanced tube (you need to be level 40 for this). Not a budget build by any means, but 41 recoil and 90+ ergo is hilarious, you actually ADS faster than the sprint bug lets you.
Haha! Funny to see you build almost exactly the same budget M4 I've been using this wipe. I've been using it the exact same as well, with single fire and the TAC-30 for most encounters and full-auto point fire for buildings. Great video as always 👍
You make so many correct moves, it's a travesty the algorithm doesn't bless you constantly. Your content has character and is high quality, I'm wondering if it might be down to thumbnail design or something. A bit edgier for the prevalent demographic of the game? Just a thought lol, but I'm rooting for you, and I hope the ball gets rolling, you deserve it!
Haha thanks, doing my best :) we got off to a great start to be fair, Jan was really good for the channel with the wipe. 2022 is gonna be a big year though, heard it here first!
The main problem with the M4 is just that other weapons are so much cheaper and more effective at the job its does. Even other 5.56 rifle, especially the MDR and Scar-L will do the same jobs for a fraction of the price. Particuarly the latter is IMO underrated for how controllable it is, while the MDR gives you crazy ergo.
I agree mostly, but its worth noting that few other comparable guns have the 800 rpm to dominate cqc like the m4 does. it may not seem like a lot but consider that an akm has 600 rpm, an m4 and mp5 have 800, and the crazy smgs like the vector and mp9 hover at about 1000-1100. the extra 150 or so rpm really does put it at a huge advantage at full auto ranges since you can get like 5 bullets in while your opponent only shoots 4.
@@yowamushy AKM is better in close quarters due to the higher damage, and a P90 is way more controllable. The M4s CQC power is very limited, at 20m the insane first shot recoil starts to become a problem.
@@termitreter6545 P90 and AKM aren't 5.56 guns, which is what I thought we were comparing given your mention of the MDR and SCAR-L. I'd argue that even in cqc a p90 and AKM still have downsides compared to an M4. p90 ammo is still lacking in pen compared to 55a1 which is readily available (37 vs 45 pen, at the cost of only 3 damage). damage falloff also isn't really notable at CQC which is one of the main things against 5.56 right now. and as far as the akm goes, BP has 47 pen and 58 damage compared to 55a1's 45 pen and 46 damage - sure, you're losing 12 damage but both will 2 tap to thorax at class 4 and below, and with class 5 they're still both taking 3 shots to thorax most of the time. and again, when the m4 is shooting a lot faster you're getting those 2 or 3 shots in a lot quicker than the akm is, and the ammo is cheaper to boot. now, all that said - I still don't like the m4 very much and the recoil is absolutely dogshit. but if you're just putting a laser on it and hipfiring you aren't really gonna notice
@@yowamushy Im talking all guns, M4s are outclassed in many ways. Idk about the 2 shotting of Lvl4 armor, sometimes M855A1 needs more shots to kill than you might expect. But even in close quarters I find the recoil way too punishing. You can be semi-close and the first shot goes thorax, and the second over the head. The high rate of fire empties your mag super fast, and that can be super punishing at close quarter. Actually had a funny anecdote after writing that comment. I killed an M4 guy because he screwed up the recoil (lotsa tracers going over my head). Then next raid, I killed 3 people with that M4, but sightly screwed recoil up with the 4th, and RIP I was dead. That was like 20m from a superior position, but the mag is empty so quickly, and the aim wanders way too much.
Well I've got the Adar out of a scav run, buy the lower and put any other parts I have from the stash. So usually just need to buy a gasblock and sometimes a handguard.
Yeah you could use the ds - agree on the colt tube though, I think in prev versions the adar used to come with it as standard! 1% recoil for super low, should have that added. Small diff but it's so cheap
Personally, I just throw on an ARE stock on literally everything. Its -4% recoil/+2 ergo for 11k rubel, its like getting a second, overpowered handgrip to the gun. Only limiting factor is that you need mechanic Lvl4. DS150 is a great budget choice though.
I feel like once you drop below 40 recoil it is very solid gun for all situations. Obviously not laser beam like it used to be but I haven't really had any issues with it. With lvl3 traders you can get 46 ergo and 39 recoil for just shy of 200k. Not quite cheap as kitted out AKM and hence not as good for the buck, but if you want to run 5.56 and have the ROF it's still good build imo
The Mechanic TX-15 barter is a really good jumping off point for an M4 build and will get you into the 40s recoil wise for only a little more money than your budget build once you sell back the excess parts
The 556 ammo this wipe got a HUGE nerf. I tried to use the M4 in single fire and auto and had to give up on it as it was not dropping scavs, rogues, and raiders with head shots at longer distances. I quickly discovered it was not the M4, but the ammo. Like Gigabeef mentioned, the semi auto guns are way more feasible as they don't suffer from the high recoil, and the ammo is much much better at range. I'm yet to put a bullet into a player or AI with the larger rounds and see the target walk away like they did with the M4 rounds.
Honestly the M4 is pretty solid, that depiction of recoil makes sense from a realism perspective. IRL recoil doesn't knock you back or send the gun aiming straight to the sky like in video games, maybe with a huge gun but with an M4, what happens is you lose sight picture, the gun bounces around, that is what makes it ineffective, not the straight up vertical recoil. Now they just need to adjust all the other intermediate/full caliber rifles to scale alongside the M4 and we'll have what should have always been, SEMI-AUTO META
I agree that m4 long range semiauto is usable, honestly that's how i used it before anyway, but my problem with that is that it's bullets just lose damage too quickly now. Well maybe not now but early-wipe 1,5 month or somewhat around that time to get a kill further than 50m away was kinda hard. Even tho that u can forget that bullet drop even exist now.
Best thing about the M4 this wipe is it comes back on insurance more often than it use to, But the ammo consumption paired with reduced availability make using it way worse than before.
I like the 20 round mags for ergo and taking less space in the inventory. I've been using the Adar a little, and also named it "cheap shit for scavs" so that when you see that on a dead body with 20 round mags nobody ever takes it unless they're extracting and have a free secondary slot. Adar is pretty nice cheap weapon this wipe actually, but if we want to be spending 130k for a gun that's only really good on semi... why not buy an AK? If I make a gun from scratch and want to have the full auto capability then even the 28 recoil M4 is pretty bad on full auto. AKs are no perfect by any means but at that point I could spend the same amount on an AK, make it into formidable weapon on full auto, and amazing on semi. Also I would not recommend using scopes for any full auto gun, except maybe SCAR, it works okay with it. When you have to aim in a pinch, not being able to see for a second is deadly. Reflex sights is where it's at, and if you want a scope and reflex, the canted sight is actually not too expensive and I find it extremely useful this wipe with how hard it is to use a scope on full auto, or even rapid fire semi; SR-25 is godly with a reflex sight, but I like a valday or Tac30 on it, 1x is more like 1.2x or something and it's still useful but for cqb and panic shooting the scope gets in your way.
Yeah I mean its a tradeoff really. I'm using it on semi mostly but then at point blank I have the full 800 rpm - using something lower firerate gives you a bit more range on the full auto but it depends what you're going for I think. Thanks for the detailed comment!
I prefer the red buffer tube, gives the same stats, with added bonus on it. I use Gen3, because it keeps good recoil but gives egro compared to the others, it's more balance. I also avoid those sniper stocks due to the MAJOR egro reduction it gives. So I prefer MOE it's 1 point less but gives great egro the rest is pretty much the same from the first build you made. Expect RK-2, I would use the other Angled RK grip because go egro and recoil. Edit: For my budget builds they vary in looks but keep around a low recoil of 40? to 50? The lowest I got on a 100k budget would be 38. (Not counting the price of the M4 itself.) Their egro would vary depending on the style, DMR/Assault you get the point. Long range or CQC. Varying from little egro (40) to good egro (70)
okay I got the same scope yesterday and got a genesis scope mount and the scope mounts and also mounts to the gun, but goes red saying there is a missing part 'mount' but there is a mount on it otherwise how would it mount to the gun ? lol
Ohhh I see what's happening - you got one of the new Geissele scope rings yeah? There's another piece called the "Geissele Super Precision top ring cap" that you need to have for that otherwise it doesn't work! The Lobaev 30mm mount on Jaeger 2 is the easiest one to get access too I think that fits the TAC-30.
@@Gigabeef Nice I've got the tac scope as well but the only 30 mm mount I'm able to get is the jaeger lvl1 barter mount, being only lvl8 puts me in a bad spot for kitting guns, got the mxc .300 and cant even buy the ammo haha, Thank you for the reply ! That mount had me screwed up. Also any idea where id fine the Wsafe key too?
I did all m4 quest with the exact same m4 and i was struggling with the full auto mode until i tried to switch to single fire and died in cqc because i forgot i was in single xD
Giga, you HAVE to listen to church and try out the SCAR-L if you haven't already :D especially for a budget gun build enjoyer! I really enjoy your videos, have a nice day!
in my expereince, a 50 recoil scar and a 28 recoil m4 feel very similar; in fact i feel like the scar has less of an initial jump. i love the m4, but this wipe i just cant justify the price-performance vs a scar or mdr. great video tho!
Crazy how the durability only applies to the lower when in reality it’s the upper aka the lands of the barrel, the throat, and bcg/bolt are the ones that wear and cause accuracy issues over time. The lower, which houses the fire control group aka trigger, has nothing to do with durability or accuracy. So if they’re going for realism they should make the barrel and bcg/bolt have durability instead of the lower. Though the actual lower is considered the firearm and apparently a piece of metal with an etching on it can be considered a machine gun as well as a forced reset trigger group if you work for the ATF. 😂. Pretty funny
If you are going to use it on semi most of the time and only full auto up close, vss is a much better choice. You can often get good durability ones for 30-50k. You don't even need to mod it, just throw a scope and a laser. The 30 rounders are expensive but you only need one per raid, nobody loots the weapon or the mags anyway. The 9x39 ammo is inherently better and more accessible.(sp5 is just cheap for what it does, if you go ahead and craft sp6 they are better than anything m4 is going to use). M4 just doesn't seem attractive against other options imo, even against the VSS.
ive noticed this wipe 32-40 is good for m4a1 and anything above 40 seems unusable. just use the 556 mdr if you dont have to below 40 because the price it costs to build a 45 recoil m4 is around the same as the mdr and the mdr is around the same recoil for the price. or run the new scar l its somewhat cheap. i think
The problem with the M4 really lies with the cost. If you build a M4 with around lets say 150k or 200k you get a gun that is unusable (on full auto) from mid to far ranges while you could spend 80k roubles on an Adar and get agrueably better performance from mid to far range and if your good, close range too. Mean while you spend 200k on a Mutant, AKMN, AK74N and you get a damn lazer beam that shoots way better and has more versatility. What I mean is that a M4 is a money dump where you invest and get no return, normally you pay to get better recoil but the m4 doesn't follow that logic anymore which makes it quite useless. (Why the fuck does trained PMCs have noodles for arms and cant even shoot any gun like a damn trained person)
I think I will stay with my semi-auto weapons. I only use full auto when using SMG weapons. BSG really screwed the pooch with recoil this wipe. Just one man's opnion.
Ye just no ergo and recoil benefit it's tiny moa and velocity, so I usually ignore it. As you only really wanna buy the normal ARE when you're mechanic 4 anyway, and this one is super pricey on the flea!
I've been using the MDR for 5.56, it's usually around 50k on the flea, the stats aren't bad, it only takes a few mods (like, at all) and they're cost effective; the ammo makes the gun so I don't feel entirely inferior to people using the M4. That being said, the real reason I use a MDR is that I get it back about half the time, something that I'm sure just doesn't happen with the M4 and my pvp skills are terrible, so perpetually donating M4s to someone else's arsenal isn't appealing.
That's totally fair. The mdr is a great weapon - with the m4 I've been trying out this new playstyle of semi 90% of the time, but with 800rpm in the back pocket if I need it, and so far it's been working super well.
Same here mate. I love the mdr and the ak101 and 102s. Normally I use the mdr but if I have a bunch of ak parts I buy the aks and mod them. But if I'm wanting a cool gun I use the scar l. I just love 556 lol
@@Gigabeef on the definitely more expensive side you should try this method with the 416 I personally like the higher rof for close "oh shit" ranges but it also feels like less visual recoil than the m4 at burst medium range and is still a stable gun platform for the dmr type work.
@@Gigabeef I just used your method of building a M4 using an ADAR and it's great, got an ADAR on a scav run and saved a bunch of money, this might turn out to be a solid budget option, thanks again.
Ngl the mdr is much easier to control as well so I don’t blame you. My homies brought me in m4s before (not fully done up like his but still nice builds) and unless I’m tap firing it’s nearly unusable, while I can build a sub 100k MDR, have my fav holo site and be able to full auto on target it’s a no brainer. Also I’ve been really loving this AK-74N build I made, it’s like right around 100k, it’s not suppressed for the best recoil (no waffle I ain’t that ballin) but even suppressed it’s at 65 vert and I thought that was going to be a bitch but it’s not, It kicks your second shot bad but levels out and I’ve gotten a lot of super juiced players just because I can hit my shots at full auto more than 5-10 feet away. I’m really hoping they tone down the recoil issues, don’t have to be where it was before but it don’t need to be this bad. Like the vector, shit irl shoots dummy fast yet has seemingly no recoil, or the FAL is known as the mag dump king with that fire rate as well as how reliably accurate the irl fal is. They also need to bring lots more nato weapons, not just American used guns. I wanna see the C7 added really bad, it’s probably my favourite gun I’ve personally shot and it’s just all around superior to the m4. Has ambidextrous switches, aren’t mass produced & all made in Canada so the quality is better & they last longer. Otherwise the aug, Galil, famas, ACR 6.3 would be great additions to the game. I’d love to see more than American used or Russian used weapons, I understand the lore & the abundance of Russian made weapons make sense but not every nato country uses the same guns as the Americans so when they add those UN AI’s I really hope they arm them with EU or Asian nato weapons (or the C7, I really just wanna use a c7 in game)
People saying guns become unusable the moment they can't be modded into being laser guns is ridiculous. Best to get used to recoil now since it will probably be changed further until no gun can be modded into effectively zero recoil. Couple that with further restrictions to ammo availability and I think the meta will move on from low recoil rapid fire smgs to semi auto larger caliber hard hitting rifles.
I *love* that they've nerfed full auto. 12.12 seems to be one of the best changes to the game since I began playing. This game used to be all about jumping corners while pre-firing, spraying without recoil control, and large capacity magazines. I never really felt that any of this fit the game, and I hated the meta. I've decided to take a break for a wipe or so, so I really haven't been playing this wipe - but it really does seem like they're *finally* moving EFT in somewhat of a direction that I personally agree with.
Idk the recoil has been complete h e l l to the point where it's just straight up not realistic, I get it needed to be changed and it was done to encourage semi-auto which is super cool, but semi is even worse excluding the SMGS. a majority of the guns aren't even worth using especially the ak's and its really annoying since the whole motto is super realistic super hard, and pre-firing is encouraged more since the intinal jump of the recoil is unpredictable. It looks like they're moving even more away from realism with weird penalties and nerfs. like why the fuck does golden star oil give you a concussion
@@Gigabeef You saw the recoil test, and for a 20-40m engagement even with an all out build, the recoil was just too much to kill reliably. I really don‘t see the m4‘s value anymore.
If you're going to run a full auto in semi most of the time, the VSS is probably a better choice than the M4. Much cheaper, better ammo, similar recoil, less accuracy but very usable.
there are just better options atm... m4 isnt what it was used to be back in the days :/ if i want a 55 recoil gun i go for mdr 556 and its just more efficent, semi auto 556? nah, why not go for better rounds like m62 or svds?
Is it just me or 5.56 have ridiculous recoil at full auto? I compared it to my Mk47 and the Mutant have less overall recoil at full auto, 1 caveat is I'm still quite a noob in gun modding on Tarkov and usually just slap whatever looks great to me
The secret ingredient is rate of fire a 56 recoil m4 chambered with 55a1 has the same recoil as a mutant chambered with bp for a total recoil of 61 however the mutant fires significantly slower at a rof of 650 rpm compared to the m4 800 rpm. generally speaking the slower the gun fires the more time the gun has to recover from it's "recoil impulse" with every shot.
Slower rate of fire helps, so that increases the range at which full auto functions. But at point blank you really want the fastest possible for the dps - it's a tradeoff really.
why not just use the TX-15 parts on the M4.... if you add the RVG black and the thunderbeast on it its 46 recoil for about 130K which is WAY better and slightly cheaper than what you did here.
@@Gigabeef no no, you misunderstand, you buy the TX-15, buy the M4 lower, and swap the lowers. And put whatever surpressor you want on it (one of the ones with QD or threaded muzzle breaks ideally)
@@Gigabeef you have to replace a total of 0 parts, it gets you 40 ergo 46 recoil with RVG. also make sure you grab one with the PRS stock still attached.
another tc-2000 helmet user? or just a one off? quite a fan of the value for money those helmets offer, headbutt a lot of good rounds including m62 regularly
I use them randomly when I get them, I tend to buy ulachs if I actually want to take in a kitted loadout - is it economic? Probably not haha. But that little extra survivability is nice for those ear shots!
For me, the recoil changes killed this wipe, and potentially my interest in the game in the future. I've played almost 2000 hours since 2019. To be clear, I've always been concerned with how powerful some of the meta weapons have been in the wipes of yore, but I always felt it was more a symptom of the toxic state of the attachment system and also just how recoil works in general, especially in regards to camera recoil and the increased recoil on the first burst of shots. Seeing these extremely expensive builds nerfed by way of just completely nerfing the base weapons themselves is also a confusing method in my mind. I've always felt it makes more sense for most of the cost and power of a weapon to be tied to the weapon itself. And then attachment are a way for premium to be invested to eek out extra performance. Instead, some weapons are not worth modding at all because of their base value proposition, and other weapons almost have to be modded because their power demands having a snappier target acquisition or lower recoil that just isn't possible without the mods.
Hopefully we get a big rebalance of the system with launch, but we will see! I'm happy for them to balance later rather than now, while they're still adding other features (so long as they actually do it at some point!)
Let's be honest, Nikita nerfed M4 because it was used too much, so he doesn't want to see it anymore, he did it with the HK back in the day, with thermals, with Mosin, sa58. Bsg's approach to balance is ridiculous. They nerf good stuff into the ground just because it's a little bit better. And their chaotic recoil system makes it impossible to get any accurate data. We can see on the video that a 28 recoil m4 has more recoil than any Ak rifle with a similar amount of money spent. They really need an actual game designer in bsg, because they seem so amateurish at anything they do it's infuriating!
Meanwhile, veteran tarkov players are just happy that they don't have to run an M4 with 60 rounders of 995 up the ass to be "competetive" for once. I love the fact its not meta anymore and now i get to fully enjoy SR25, SB193 P90, MDR308 and ash 12 :) btw I have 20 FLIRs so i certainly do not agree with your points, thermal is still absurdly strong
@@ikheetkoen Yea its cool its not a meta but its a super bad and unhealthy way of dealing with the problem of ay meta, you just don't make the guns you don't wanna see anymore completely unusable.
don't agree with you in the slightest. they made the changes and the players decide the meta through trial and error. they didnt have thousands of players testing for thousands of hours just to make the m4 not as viable anymore. it's just a happenstance the m4 fell out, and the game is much more interesting without HAVING to use an m4 with 995 and 60 round pmags. everything got nerfed in the realm of recoil, so naturally high rpm guns are going to be taxed the most. people can't, and dont really shoot an ar-15 on full auto with 6x optic with laser pinpoint accuracy anyways, landing 40/60 rounds on a human sized target at 100m, even with a rest/sled, which last wipe you could very easily do offhand while strafing... (if you can do this, make a video and join olympic shooting) so, it's more realistic too, which is what they are shooting for in the game as a whole. Ak's generally have a much, much slower RPM... they are specifically designed that way intentionally... you can't compare an apple and an orange. and the m4 wasnt "a little bit better". it was THE BEST GUN to use in EVERY SINGLE SITUATION ALWAYS, so much so that you were at a significant disadvantage no matter what else you use, what armor you use, what range you're at. that's what us pro gamers like to call "OP" or "overpowered". if you can't play without 12.11 m4, that's fine, theres other games where you can use a similar gun in a similarly unrealistic and absurd way, so theres no real reason to be angry with BSG, it's just not for you, feel free to leave.
@@thepjup4507 I am not gonna explain how nerfing one gun into the ground is unrealistic because there is no point. I liked running high ergo m4s with around 50 recoil, now there is one build you can ever run, and it sucks. I hate when people say "I don't like it therefore it's good that's gone" many people liked the Mr, I am not saying bring back the old stats, but buff it a little, it is useless now.
@@thepjup4507 lmfao dude are you just being satire saying "us pro gamers" besides its not about the m4 I never used it, its that instead of changing it they just made the recoil straight up unrealistic, all the guns to the point its just annoying especially since semi auto has worse recoil, which makes no sense because there entire thing is super realism no matter how much you hate it but they make weird nerf changes
How's the M4 treating you in 12.12 so far?
How is that comment two days old on a vid that hasn't even been up for an hour?! Time hax.
like shit, m4 is trash in 12.12
Considering the price and the horizontal recoil the M4 is trash in 12.12.
I think they did M4 dirty. I enjoyed them end of last wipe. Now I don’t think they’re worth running except to do M4 tasks. I find it really disappointing.
the best buffer Tube is the RED Buffer Tube its often cheaper than the non Red one and i have a 28 recoil version
The SCAR-L and the MDR are just straight up better options across the board. Theres just not a good reason to spend the extra time and money to build a decent M4 other than the aesthetics :(
4:40 the adar tube offers no recoil reduction, the colt one does. it's about 500 roubles more to get the colt one.
Agree with you - think the old adar used to come with the colt buffer for some reason, seems like they fixed that so now you have to get it separately! Missed that one :)
@@Gigabeef The red ARE buffer tube also offers some other bonuses over the black one
@@lanster77schannel yeah but it’s like way more expensive
@@sovietdog2190 didn't ask
I did the entirety of my Peacekeeping mission quests with an Adar M4 where I bought the a cheap Adar and slapped all it's parts on an M4 lower just like you did and found it was still incredibly effective. Biggest issue is no laser for close range but for a gun that only costs 40k I'll happily take some trade offs.
I did that once upon a wipe with an acog, was fun but this time I wanted to go a bit more fancy :)
I don't know the price of TX15 now. I swapped TX15 parts to M4 for ~70k when doing that mission, install the silencer from the rouge I farm. And it's so damn cool (either the looking or stats).
Bro your videos are the only ones worth watching. Everyone else has low quality "this is the build" with names that you can't search in market place because they abbreviate which defeats the purpose of helping people who don't know these things. Your videos are the best, you show the build, how to build it, and leave no room for error. Keep it up mate you got me hooked.
Thanks! Appreciate it :)
I actually really enjoyed the gameplay at the end, was nice to see the principles and mindset you prefaced your builds with in action.
Also, the text explaining your thoughts during your engagements makes me want to show this video to my friend who just started the game. It very cleanly and concisely explains your thought process. Without the voice over it was almost therapeutic somehow, like Tarkov ASMR lmao
Nice! Glad you enjoyed it. I have one coming up next week which is a bit of a mix, but yeah that raid was offline so no voice commentary :)
I've been running the 20 rounders in my ADARs and M4s this wipe as well, love to see it. This wipe has been interesting to recontextualize the M4 and 5.56 caliber. I tell the newer players to be wary about the platform, it takes more discipline to run than it did in previous wipes, and those stats never tell the full story for feel and performance.
Ah I was waiting for this video all wipe. With you and your love for m4 it was only a matter of time.
Haha yup! Honestly I've enjoyed myself - lotta m4 haters out there right now 😂
I always say I don't hate the gun I hate the ammo most complaints I hear are about 5.56/5.45 are the recoil and lack of stopping power combined with the issues of dmg and penetration drop off at range.
I mean 56a1 and 55a1 are pretty good imo... Sure they're not the 2 hit of BP but unless you're sniping rogues at 300m it's definitely effective. I find getting headshots with 556 much easier than the larger calibers, which I don't doubt is in part due to how fast the rounds fly
I know I'm nitpicking, but you miss the +2 ergo in the low recoil build from the front and rear sight you could add !
Not much, but I'm used to add them to all my builds (maybe matters more since the silent nerfs about ergo since last patch)
Thanks again for your great content !
Kurg
front and rear sights improve ergo not recoil
@@MisterMolby Sh*** yes of course, that's what I meant to say, thank you
Haha s'all good, yeah small ergo there :)
If you want to use the NT-4 supressor I would advise getting the beige/FDE surefire instead.
Same price, same recoil, more ergo.
Ah yeah another nice choice - sometimes it's more expensive, just depends really
Your builds of finding the right balance between balance cost and effectiveness has been my thesis for my entire time playing this game. I use a very similar AK74 to the one you posted a few weeks ago and I run a similar M4 that got me through Peacekeeper Mission without dying. I Scav run a lot so I get ahold of a lot of barter items for trades. 2 leather caps and a Boss cap get you a Thunder Beast 5 Suppressor from Skier 3 (better then KAC) and Mechanic 2 has the 260mm barrel for 2 damaged LCDs. Swap the grip with the MOE, a BOTL Charging Handle, 3x EoTech and a Laser/Light Combo all chilling around in the stash for 51 Recoil / 53 Ergo (M855A1 for PK Mission). Use the M4 over the ADAR. Full auto, even with 90 Recoil, will save you in extreme cqb with that 800 rpm. Has saved my skin numerous times, including that Deathless Peace Keeper Mission. Keep up the content. I send new PMC's to this channel!
Awesome! Cheers :)
I've been loving a loud build with the jailbreak and bulletec compensators, noveske upper and advanced tube (you need to be level 40 for this). Not a budget build by any means, but 41 recoil and 90+ ergo is hilarious, you actually ADS faster than the sprint bug lets you.
Enticing, could you list the parts and/or provide a screenshot? I'm still a beginner but it sounds really solid.
@@Shoutenkou if you’re a beginner there’s no way you’ll be able to afford it
@@NoNo-uy2bq What is the point of your comment? I have close to 30 mil rubles so I actually could afford it if I knew all the correct parts.
@@Shoutenkou Almost certainly something along these lines: i.imgur.com/JOL27RL.png enjoy!
@@Gigabeef Wow that was quick, thank you sir!
Haha! Funny to see you build almost exactly the same budget M4 I've been using this wipe. I've been using it the exact same as well, with single fire and the TAC-30 for most encounters and full-auto point fire for buildings.
Great video as always 👍
I have heard a lot about this in the scav talk podcast. Been looking forwards to this .)
Hope it lived up to expectation 😅
You make so many correct moves, it's a travesty the algorithm doesn't bless you constantly. Your content has character and is high quality, I'm wondering if it might be down to thumbnail design or something. A bit edgier for the prevalent demographic of the game? Just a thought lol, but I'm rooting for you, and I hope the ball gets rolling, you deserve it!
Haha thanks, doing my best :) we got off to a great start to be fair, Jan was really good for the channel with the wipe. 2022 is gonna be a big year though, heard it here first!
wow nice i just started the peacekeeping missions so this is gold thanks!
The main problem with the M4 is just that other weapons are so much cheaper and more effective at the job its does. Even other 5.56 rifle, especially the MDR and Scar-L will do the same jobs for a fraction of the price. Particuarly the latter is IMO underrated for how controllable it is, while the MDR gives you crazy ergo.
I agree mostly, but its worth noting that few other comparable guns have the 800 rpm to dominate cqc like the m4 does. it may not seem like a lot but consider that an akm has 600 rpm, an m4 and mp5 have 800, and the crazy smgs like the vector and mp9 hover at about 1000-1100. the extra 150 or so rpm really does put it at a huge advantage at full auto ranges since you can get like 5 bullets in while your opponent only shoots 4.
@@yowamushy AKM is better in close quarters due to the higher damage, and a P90 is way more controllable.
The M4s CQC power is very limited, at 20m the insane first shot recoil starts to become a problem.
@@termitreter6545 P90 and AKM aren't 5.56 guns, which is what I thought we were comparing given your mention of the MDR and SCAR-L. I'd argue that even in cqc a p90 and AKM still have downsides compared to an M4. p90 ammo is still lacking in pen compared to 55a1 which is readily available (37 vs 45 pen, at the cost of only 3 damage). damage falloff also isn't really notable at CQC which is one of the main things against 5.56 right now. and as far as the akm goes, BP has 47 pen and 58 damage compared to 55a1's 45 pen and 46 damage - sure, you're losing 12 damage but both will 2 tap to thorax at class 4 and below, and with class 5 they're still both taking 3 shots to thorax most of the time. and again, when the m4 is shooting a lot faster you're getting those 2 or 3 shots in a lot quicker than the akm is, and the ammo is cheaper to boot.
now, all that said - I still don't like the m4 very much and the recoil is absolutely dogshit. but if you're just putting a laser on it and hipfiring you aren't really gonna notice
@@yowamushy Im talking all guns, M4s are outclassed in many ways. Idk about the 2 shotting of Lvl4 armor, sometimes M855A1 needs more shots to kill than you might expect.
But even in close quarters I find the recoil way too punishing. You can be semi-close and the first shot goes thorax, and the second over the head. The high rate of fire empties your mag super fast, and that can be super punishing at close quarter.
Actually had a funny anecdote after writing that comment. I killed an M4 guy because he screwed up the recoil (lotsa tracers going over my head). Then next raid, I killed 3 people with that M4, but sightly screwed recoil up with the 4th, and RIP I was dead.
That was like 20m from a superior position, but the mag is empty so quickly, and the aim wanders way too much.
Well I've got the Adar out of a scav run, buy the lower and put any other parts I have from the stash. So usually just need to buy a gasblock and sometimes a handguard.
the buying an adar to part it out strategy is genius
a CST buffer is sure worth to replace the adar buffer tube, also a DS150 stock is more budget than the MOE combo
Yeah you could use the ds - agree on the colt tube though, I think in prev versions the adar used to come with it as standard! 1% recoil for super low, should have that added. Small diff but it's so cheap
Personally, I just throw on an ARE stock on literally everything. Its -4% recoil/+2 ergo for 11k rubel, its like getting a second, overpowered handgrip to the gun. Only limiting factor is that you need mechanic Lvl4.
DS150 is a great budget choice though.
And almost this very minute, Trey24k made a video about the M4 Recoil :D
Apparently I hit onto a trend haha, the vid's been finished for 2 days!
I feel like once you drop below 40 recoil it is very solid gun for all situations. Obviously not laser beam like it used to be but I haven't really had any issues with it. With lvl3 traders you can get 46 ergo and 39 recoil for just shy of 200k. Not quite cheap as kitted out AKM and hence not as good for the buck, but if you want to run 5.56 and have the ROF it's still good build imo
The Mechanic TX-15 barter is a really good jumping off point for an M4 build and will get you into the 40s recoil wise for only a little more money than your budget build once you sell back the excess parts
Interesting I thought it was more expensive but will have to revisit thanks!
The 556 ammo this wipe got a HUGE nerf. I tried to use the M4 in single fire and auto and had to give up on it as it was not dropping scavs, rogues, and raiders with head shots at longer distances. I quickly discovered it was not the M4, but the ammo. Like Gigabeef mentioned, the semi auto guns are way more feasible as they don't suffer from the high recoil, and the ammo is much much better at range. I'm yet to put a bullet into a player or AI with the larger rounds and see the target walk away like they did with the M4 rounds.
Tbh I’ve been using the tx-15 barter with the pressure gauges and just using that gun as it comes has been blissful
That feeling when yo questing but some pmc come looking for some PVP.
Nice moves!
Honestly the M4 is pretty solid, that depiction of recoil makes sense from a realism perspective. IRL recoil doesn't knock you back or send the gun aiming straight to the sky like in video games, maybe with a huge gun but with an M4, what happens is you lose sight picture, the gun bounces around, that is what makes it ineffective, not the straight up vertical recoil. Now they just need to adjust all the other intermediate/full caliber rifles to scale alongside the M4 and we'll have what should have always been, SEMI-AUTO META
It will become the m1a meta then if 762bp guns kick like the m4
@@brohemian already is.
I agree that m4 long range semiauto is usable, honestly that's how i used it before anyway, but my problem with that is that it's bullets just lose damage too quickly now. Well maybe not now but early-wipe 1,5 month or somewhat around that time to get a kill further than 50m away was kinda hard. Even tho that u can forget that bullet drop even exist now.
Best thing about the M4 this wipe is it comes back on insurance more often than it use to, But the ammo consumption paired with reduced availability make using it way worse than before.
I like the 20 round mags for ergo and taking less space in the inventory. I've been using the Adar a little, and also named it "cheap shit for scavs" so that when you see that on a dead body with 20 round mags nobody ever takes it unless they're extracting and have a free secondary slot. Adar is pretty nice cheap weapon this wipe actually, but if we want to be spending 130k for a gun that's only really good on semi... why not buy an AK? If I make a gun from scratch and want to have the full auto capability then even the 28 recoil M4 is pretty bad on full auto. AKs are no perfect by any means but at that point I could spend the same amount on an AK, make it into formidable weapon on full auto, and amazing on semi. Also I would not recommend using scopes for any full auto gun, except maybe SCAR, it works okay with it. When you have to aim in a pinch, not being able to see for a second is deadly. Reflex sights is where it's at, and if you want a scope and reflex, the canted sight is actually not too expensive and I find it extremely useful this wipe with how hard it is to use a scope on full auto, or even rapid fire semi; SR-25 is godly with a reflex sight, but I like a valday or Tac30 on it, 1x is more like 1.2x or something and it's still useful but for cqb and panic shooting the scope gets in your way.
Yeah I mean its a tradeoff really. I'm using it on semi mostly but then at point blank I have the full 800 rpm - using something lower firerate gives you a bit more range on the full auto but it depends what you're going for I think. Thanks for the detailed comment!
I prefer the red buffer tube, gives the same stats, with added bonus on it. I use Gen3, because it keeps good recoil but gives egro compared to the others, it's more balance. I also avoid those sniper stocks due to the MAJOR egro reduction it gives. So I prefer MOE it's 1 point less but gives great egro the rest is pretty much the same from the first build you made. Expect RK-2, I would use the other Angled RK grip because go egro and recoil.
Edit: For my budget builds they vary in looks but keep around a low recoil of 40? to 50? The lowest I got on a 100k budget would be 38. (Not counting the price of the M4 itself.) Their egro would vary depending on the style, DMR/Assault you get the point. Long range or CQC. Varying from little egro (40) to good egro (70)
okay I got the same scope yesterday and got a genesis scope mount and the scope mounts and also mounts to the gun, but goes red saying there is a missing part 'mount' but there is a mount on it otherwise how would it mount to the gun ? lol
Ohhh I see what's happening - you got one of the new Geissele scope rings yeah? There's another piece called the "Geissele Super Precision top ring cap" that you need to have for that otherwise it doesn't work! The Lobaev 30mm mount on Jaeger 2 is the easiest one to get access too I think that fits the TAC-30.
@@Gigabeef Nice I've got the tac scope as well but the only 30 mm mount
I'm able to get is the jaeger lvl1 barter mount, being only lvl8 puts me in a bad spot for kitting guns, got the mxc .300 and cant even buy the ammo haha, Thank you for the reply ! That mount had me screwed up. Also any idea where id fine the Wsafe key too?
I think the recoil problems with the m4 mainly stem from the ammo. Try using it with m855 and compare it to 55a1
Or especially M995
I did all m4 quest with the exact same m4 and i was struggling with the full auto mode until i tried to switch to single fire and died in cqc because i forgot i was in single xD
It’s a headshot-only DMR, or a meta SMG
Giga, you HAVE to listen to church and try out the SCAR-L if you haven't already :D especially for a budget gun build enjoyer! I really enjoy your videos, have a nice day!
Ok ok ok I will actually try it properly 😂 I know it's good because I see everyone else going on about it all the time haha
in my expereince, a 50 recoil scar and a 28 recoil m4 feel very similar; in fact i feel like the scar has less of an initial jump. i love the m4, but this wipe i just cant justify the price-performance vs a scar or mdr. great video tho!
Thanks! I think you're probably right to be honest, the hidden stats are powerful
Crazy how the durability only applies to the lower when in reality it’s the upper aka the lands of the barrel, the throat, and bcg/bolt are the ones that wear and cause accuracy issues over time. The lower, which houses the fire control group aka trigger, has nothing to do with durability or accuracy. So if they’re going for realism they should make the barrel and bcg/bolt have durability instead of the lower. Though the actual lower is considered the firearm and apparently a piece of metal with an etching on it can be considered a machine gun as well as a forced reset trigger group if you work for the ATF. 😂. Pretty funny
Haha. I think they should add durability to everything... But that's just me :)
Nerfing M4 was really needed, but the way it was done in the end is quite poor. Your gameplay, on the other hand, is very good.
Thanks :)
If you are going to use it on semi most of the time and only full auto up close, vss is a much better choice. You can often get good durability ones for 30-50k. You don't even need to mod it, just throw a scope and a laser. The 30 rounders are expensive but you only need one per raid, nobody loots the weapon or the mags anyway. The 9x39 ammo is inherently better and more accessible.(sp5 is just cheap for what it does, if you go ahead and craft sp6 they are better than anything m4 is going to use). M4 just doesn't seem attractive against other options imo, even against the VSS.
ive noticed this wipe 32-40 is good for m4a1 and anything above 40 seems unusable. just use the 556 mdr if you dont have to below 40 because the price it costs to build a 45 recoil m4 is around the same as the mdr and the mdr is around the same recoil for the price. or run the new scar l its somewhat cheap. i think
The problem with the M4 really lies with the cost. If you build a M4 with around lets say 150k or 200k you get a gun that is unusable (on full auto) from mid to far ranges while you could spend 80k roubles on an Adar and get agrueably better performance from mid to far range and if your good, close range too. Mean while you spend 200k on a Mutant, AKMN, AK74N and you get a damn lazer beam that shoots way better and has more versatility. What I mean is that a M4 is a money dump where you invest and get no return, normally you pay to get better recoil but the m4 doesn't follow that logic anymore which makes it quite useless. (Why the fuck does trained PMCs have noodles for arms and cant even shoot any gun like a damn trained person)
1:45 isn't the red one better?
Ye but you can't buy it from traders, it's super expensive and the improvements don't matter (tiny velocity and moa)
Which one do you mean?
If your building it like that you may as well grab an sr25 at that point. My opinion.
I think I will stay with my semi-auto weapons. I only use full auto when using SMG weapons. BSG really screwed the pooch with recoil this wipe. Just one man's opnion.
Why can't i find the 20" barrel?
Maybe you didn't identify it
Isn't the red "are" buffer tube better actually??
Ye just no ergo and recoil benefit it's tiny moa and velocity, so I usually ignore it. As you only really wanna buy the normal ARE when you're mechanic 4 anyway, and this one is super pricey on the flea!
I've been using the MDR for 5.56, it's usually around 50k on the flea, the stats aren't bad, it only takes a few mods (like, at all) and they're cost effective; the ammo makes the gun so I don't feel entirely inferior to people using the M4. That being said, the real reason I use a MDR is that I get it back about half the time, something that I'm sure just doesn't happen with the M4 and my pvp skills are terrible, so perpetually donating M4s to someone else's arsenal isn't appealing.
That's totally fair. The mdr is a great weapon - with the m4 I've been trying out this new playstyle of semi 90% of the time, but with 800rpm in the back pocket if I need it, and so far it's been working super well.
Same here mate. I love the mdr and the ak101 and 102s. Normally I use the mdr but if I have a bunch of ak parts I buy the aks and mod them. But if I'm wanting a cool gun I use the scar l. I just love 556 lol
@@Gigabeef on the definitely more expensive side you should try this method with the 416 I personally like the higher rof for close "oh shit" ranges but it also feels like less visual recoil than the m4 at burst medium range and is still a stable gun platform for the dmr type work.
@@Gigabeef I just used your method of building a M4 using an ADAR and it's great, got an ADAR on a scav run and saved a bunch of money, this might turn out to be a solid budget option, thanks again.
Ngl the mdr is much easier to control as well so I don’t blame you. My homies brought me in m4s before (not fully done up like his but still nice builds) and unless I’m tap firing it’s nearly unusable, while I can build a sub 100k MDR, have my fav holo site and be able to full auto on target it’s a no brainer. Also I’ve been really loving this AK-74N build I made, it’s like right around 100k, it’s not suppressed for the best recoil (no waffle I ain’t that ballin) but even suppressed it’s at 65 vert and I thought that was going to be a bitch but it’s not, It kicks your second shot bad but levels out and I’ve gotten a lot of super juiced players just because I can hit my shots at full auto more than 5-10 feet away. I’m really hoping they tone down the recoil issues, don’t have to be where it was before but it don’t need to be this bad. Like the vector, shit irl shoots dummy fast yet has seemingly no recoil, or the FAL is known as the mag dump king with that fire rate as well as how reliably accurate the irl fal is. They also need to bring lots more nato weapons, not just American used guns. I wanna see the C7 added really bad, it’s probably my favourite gun I’ve personally shot and it’s just all around superior to the m4. Has ambidextrous switches, aren’t mass produced & all made in Canada so the quality is better & they last longer. Otherwise the aug, Galil, famas, ACR 6.3 would be great additions to the game. I’d love to see more than American used or Russian used weapons, I understand the lore & the abundance of Russian made weapons make sense but not every nato country uses the same guns as the Americans so when they add those UN AI’s I really hope they arm them with EU or Asian nato weapons (or the C7, I really just wanna use a c7 in game)
TX receiver is better than ADAR and its for like 15k on flea and the colt buffer tube is better than adar buffer tube, both are cheap
I don't mind using m4 as a semi and auto depending on the situation rather than it being a laser.
Same here!
Ohhh ohh ohh yeah this will be my main puppy especially for that cheap price
Watching this at 00:30 and I rememered i forgot to turn off the generator, so i had log back on.
People saying guns become unusable the moment they can't be modded into being laser guns is ridiculous. Best to get used to recoil now since it will probably be changed further until no gun can be modded into effectively zero recoil. Couple that with further restrictions to ammo availability and I think the meta will move on from low recoil rapid fire smgs to semi auto larger caliber hard hitting rifles.
Yeah, the 5.56 had more recoil full auto than a .308 full auto. That makes sense? Go watch some IRL vids of 5.56 vs .308 full auto.
I *love* that they've nerfed full auto.
12.12 seems to be one of the best changes to the game since I began playing.
This game used to be all about jumping corners while pre-firing, spraying without recoil control, and large capacity magazines. I never really felt that any of this fit the game, and I hated the meta. I've decided to take a break for a wipe or so, so I really haven't been playing this wipe - but it really does seem like they're *finally* moving EFT in somewhat of a direction that I personally agree with.
Agreed, 12.12 is a banger of a wipe! Enjoying myself immensely 😁
Idk the recoil has been complete h e l l to the point where it's just straight up not realistic, I get it needed to be changed and it was done to encourage semi-auto which is super cool, but semi is even worse excluding the SMGS. a majority of the guns aren't even worth using especially the ak's and its really annoying since the whole motto is super realistic super hard, and pre-firing is encouraged more since the intinal jump of the recoil is unpredictable. It looks like they're moving even more away from realism with weird penalties and nerfs. like why the fuck does golden star oil give you a concussion
I hope the adar prices dont skyrocket after this becomes popular
No chance everyone hates the m4 atm 😂
@@Gigabeef You saw the recoil test, and for a 20-40m engagement even with an all out build, the recoil was just too much to kill reliably. I really don‘t see the m4‘s value anymore.
If you're going to run a full auto in semi most of the time, the VSS is probably a better choice than the M4. Much cheaper, better ammo, similar recoil, less accuracy but very usable.
Hmm maybe - those longer shots are harder to hit with the rounds being slower but not a bad idea
THE LOBAEV MOUNT IS A BIT CHEAPER THEN THE NF 30MM
there are just better options atm... m4 isnt what it was used to be back in the days :/ if i want a 55 recoil gun i go for mdr 556 and its just more efficent, semi auto 556? nah, why not go for better rounds like m62 or svds?
svds is trash at mid range
Don't underestimate the 800 rpm close range. Can't 'fix' that on the mdr or scar and close range it can come in clutch!
Is it just me or 5.56 have ridiculous recoil at full auto? I compared it to my Mk47 and the Mutant have less overall recoil at full auto, 1 caveat is I'm still quite a noob in gun modding on Tarkov and usually just slap whatever looks great to me
the mutant has particularly low recoil so its kinda unfair. But no, 5.56 just has a lot of recoil this patch in full auto
@@gold4428 does it include 5.56 AK?
The secret ingredient is rate of fire a 56 recoil m4 chambered with 55a1 has the same recoil as a mutant chambered with bp for a total recoil of 61 however the mutant fires significantly slower at a rof of 650 rpm compared to the m4 800 rpm. generally speaking the slower the gun fires the more time the gun has to recover from it's "recoil impulse" with every shot.
@@applemacosx1 Guess that make sense, thinking of just switching to AK based guns rn
Slower rate of fire helps, so that increases the range at which full auto functions. But at point blank you really want the fastest possible for the dps - it's a tradeoff really.
the time stamps are so messed up
most have this gun here in America, I have 2 in 22lr and you want to talk NO RECOIL, I'll tell ya what!
why not just use the TX-15 parts on the M4.... if you add the RVG black and the thunderbeast on it its 46 recoil for about 130K which is WAY better and slightly cheaper than what you did here.
No full auto for those clutch moments, I think it's worth it for that ability at close range still
@@Gigabeef no no, you misunderstand, you buy the TX-15, buy the M4 lower, and swap the lowers. And put whatever surpressor you want on it (one of the ones with QD or threaded muzzle breaks ideally)
Oh I see, I'll have to check but I didn't think that was cheaper with the parts you have to replace plus the lower
@@Gigabeef you have to replace a total of 0 parts, it gets you 40 ergo 46 recoil with RVG. also make sure you grab one with the PRS stock still attached.
very fast moving caliber!
If youre going to use an m4 in semi might as well use an adar
You still get the ability to do full auto at point blank though, can be nice to have that feature for clearing buildings
Didn’t talk about ammo choices
another tc-2000 helmet user? or just a one off? quite a fan of the value for money those helmets offer, headbutt a lot of good rounds including m62 regularly
I use them randomly when I get them, I tend to buy ulachs if I actually want to take in a kitted loadout - is it economic? Probably not haha. But that little extra survivability is nice for those ear shots!
For me, the recoil changes killed this wipe, and potentially my interest in the game in the future. I've played almost 2000 hours since 2019.
To be clear, I've always been concerned with how powerful some of the meta weapons have been in the wipes of yore, but I always felt it was more a symptom of the toxic state of the attachment system and also just how recoil works in general, especially in regards to camera recoil and the increased recoil on the first burst of shots. Seeing these extremely expensive builds nerfed by way of just completely nerfing the base weapons themselves is also a confusing method in my mind.
I've always felt it makes more sense for most of the cost and power of a weapon to be tied to the weapon itself. And then attachment are a way for premium to be invested to eek out extra performance. Instead, some weapons are not worth modding at all because of their base value proposition, and other weapons almost have to be modded because their power demands having a snappier target acquisition or lower recoil that just isn't possible without the mods.
Hopefully we get a big rebalance of the system with launch, but we will see! I'm happy for them to balance later rather than now, while they're still adding other features (so long as they actually do it at some point!)
the ammo is trash because of the hit reg or..556 is trash
Nice woods raid. #picnicgang
Bwaaah I cant full auto spray people on 60m distance anymore, Nikita broke my gun bwwwaaaahhhhh
Hehe
"how tu use it" just don't mag dump like last patch and actually aim, i know most AR user are used to mag dump in eft but you got to learn now.
Basically yes! Adapt and improve. The age old 'git gud' 😂
ak-101 gang represent
always high lvl traders for these builds, casual players get left out.
Without pk3 its not worth modding the m4 - use the mdr instead
Let's be honest, Nikita nerfed M4 because it was used too much, so he doesn't want to see it anymore, he did it with the HK back in the day, with thermals, with Mosin, sa58. Bsg's approach to balance is ridiculous. They nerf good stuff into the ground just because it's a little bit better. And their chaotic recoil system makes it impossible to get any accurate data. We can see on the video that a 28 recoil m4 has more recoil than any Ak rifle with a similar amount of money spent. They really need an actual game designer in bsg, because they seem so amateurish at anything they do it's infuriating!
Meanwhile, veteran tarkov players are just happy that they don't have to run an M4 with 60 rounders of 995 up the ass to be "competetive" for once. I love the fact its not meta anymore and now i get to fully enjoy SR25, SB193 P90, MDR308 and ash 12 :) btw I have 20 FLIRs so i certainly do not agree with your points, thermal is still absurdly strong
@@ikheetkoen Yea its cool its not a meta but its a super bad and unhealthy way of dealing with the problem of ay meta, you just don't make the guns you don't wanna see anymore completely unusable.
don't agree with you in the slightest. they made the changes and the players decide the meta through trial and error. they didnt have thousands of players testing for thousands of hours just to make the m4 not as viable anymore. it's just a happenstance the m4 fell out, and the game is much more interesting without HAVING to use an m4 with 995 and 60 round pmags. everything got nerfed in the realm of recoil, so naturally high rpm guns are going to be taxed the most. people can't, and dont really shoot an ar-15 on full auto with 6x optic with laser pinpoint accuracy anyways, landing 40/60 rounds on a human sized target at 100m, even with a rest/sled, which last wipe you could very easily do offhand while strafing... (if you can do this, make a video and join olympic shooting) so, it's more realistic too, which is what they are shooting for in the game as a whole. Ak's generally have a much, much slower RPM... they are specifically designed that way intentionally... you can't compare an apple and an orange. and the m4 wasnt "a little bit better". it was THE BEST GUN to use in EVERY SINGLE SITUATION ALWAYS, so much so that you were at a significant disadvantage no matter what else you use, what armor you use, what range you're at. that's what us pro gamers like to call "OP" or "overpowered".
if you can't play without 12.11 m4, that's fine, theres other games where you can use a similar gun in a similarly unrealistic and absurd way, so theres no real reason to be angry with BSG, it's just not for you, feel free to leave.
@@thepjup4507 I am not gonna explain how nerfing one gun into the ground is unrealistic because there is no point. I liked running high ergo m4s with around 50 recoil, now there is one build you can ever run, and it sucks. I hate when people say "I don't like it therefore it's good that's gone" many people liked the Mr, I am not saying bring back the old stats, but buff it a little, it is useless now.
@@thepjup4507 lmfao dude are you just being satire saying "us pro gamers" besides its not about the m4 I never used it, its that instead of changing it they just made the recoil straight up unrealistic, all the guns to the point its just annoying especially since semi auto has worse recoil, which makes no sense because there entire thing is super realism no matter how much you hate it but they make weird nerf changes
Grip that costs 160k R but mans calls video a budget build lmao
M4 is trash imo, m1a, mutant, mdr, sr25, ak, .45 vector, ash12 all slap much harder....m4 is a thing of the past.
How to use the M4 in 12.12: Don't
Full auto *should* be limited to close range.
Yeah I don't think it's a bad change honestly, just needs a bit of tweaking imo
Sry bro but m4 was allways playable only in meta, so if u dont have meta m4 its sucks
not using iron sights to up erg. not using a tactical device to lessen bullet spread... thumbs down
imagine wasting all that time to save 5k.
m4 is actually crap this wipe
How to use m4. Don’t
step 1
dont use it!
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