The word "Studio" in "studio headphones" don't necessarily mean that they are for mixing. They are for monitoring. So, a drummer can wear them while tracking, stuff like that. Do they sound good enough for such an application?
@@my-wifes-boyfriend-is-a-lawyer They still have to be clear and relatively flat, and not hyped, for them to work well for monitoring. So no, 20 dollar headphones are not good enough.
@@tobytodelafontena but you won't get wireless transmission.. I bought some old sennheiser iem transmitters and receivers for this purpose. This way the musicians can also use their own crappy headphones if they prefer 😅
I have a pair of these and I did not buy them to mix on. I have other headphones for that. I mainly use these in situation where having headphone chords get in the way. On of these situation is when I am practicing guitar or base using headphones. It is so liberating not having to deal with wires when you have a guitar strapped to you. I really don't want to use any other pair of headphones for this purpose. The other situation is playing midi instruments. The chord just gets in the way. I have tried them singing and the latency is more apparent there. Something akin to chorusing. So I think it would be up to the vocalist to determine if that is too bothersome or not. I agree they don't sound like premium headphones but they have a use that no wired headphone can match.
"This headphone sound like shit" "I'll definitely not use them" -> "the company had no saying into the making of this video" well ... of course. I am still laughing at the fact that you had to point that out. I don't think any company would agree to a sponsor message like this. You are amazing, mate. Love the way you make content.
Hmm. If the vocalist wants to hear himself thin then yeah. According to the example in the video, these headphones sound realy weak and thin. I dont like too harsh headphones.
They may not be the best for monitoring next to a mic, I hear they bleed through the backs quite a bit. That said, they seem fine for instrumental artists at least in theory
I often have "creative" sessions where I dont pay any (!) attention to the mixdown and regularly use headphones for these occasions. So these are probably pretty good for casual production, but when you get deeper into EQ etc. switch to your regular monitors. These headphones, and others, can be a fine addition to a studio!
These r perfect for a live looper, who has instruments all around him and a 1 man band. Sooooo many uses. Taking off a guitar performing live and wearing ur next instrument or whtever. Absolutely made for performers
I like to add 4 points: 1. The "Low Latency" mode is actually 16ms. This is a lot more than you would get from pro in ear monitoring systems. It is OK dialing in a Synth or playing slower stuff (or working with a sequencer, for that matter), but it is challenging playing percussive sounds or fast guitar. This 16ms adds up to the latency of your computer and/or digital intrument. It should be considered, if you invested heavily in low latency gear... 2. I noticed some low level white noise using the transmitter. You can't let the power supply connected to the transmitter, because (in my personal setup) I got a tiny bit of 50Hz hum. 3. They are great for jumping around in your bedroom studio, if it is late and you can't use monitors. I agree, they are not a tool for mixing, but have their place while composing or jamming around. 4. I got a much better sound switching from these Alcantara Ear pads to the leather ones. As always: Thanks a lot - and it was a cool idea to use an EQ in order to "simulate" your experience!!!
Hey, thanks for the feedback! Regarding your second point, here's a couple of short steps you can take to remove/reduce the hiss by adjusting the volume on your input device and on the headphones: aiaiai.audio/help/wireless-plus/i-hear-a-hissing-sound-on-my-w-headphones-what-can
@@watchAIAIAI Did not expect that anybody read my comment 🙂 I followed the steps in the link provided above and was able to significantly reduce the hiss issue. Thanks a lot! Btw: I love the fact that I can use bluetooth as well. Using a headset in different context helps me a lot to learn how they sound.
The reason I plan on getting them is because I have mobile studio setup and I find myself using Bluetooth a lot when I produce tracks which sucks because of the latency. these headphones take out my problem of wanting wireless but still being able to play parts in on my midi keyboard. Also I travel a lot to record vocals for other people and these would not lock my singer in one place so that they can feel more free to perform however they want. I have a pair of speakers and HD 650s from Sennheiser that I use to mix. Though I think because I don't have a treated room I just reference on different sound systems a lot to make sure they translate.
I wonder how they'd sound paired with something like Sonarworks SoundID. Still not the best solution considering you now need a 2nd product to fix the issues of the first, but still would be an interesting test. I also wonder how well their low latency system works and whether it's really useful for stuff like live performance ro monitoring during recording.
Andrew Huang has a review on these from a couple of weeks ago. Latency is like 16ms, if you're tracking playing to a backing track then this would be fine but if you want to hear yourself while singing that might cause some issues.
I think they’re more meant for producers/musicians, the latency thing is mainly a performance issue, I’d like the idea of moving around in the studio with your music on, going to the next instrument/device and playing around and adding to the track. They might be ok enough for that purpose, or are they not even living up to that standard? I actually think the price is on the high side, considering the excellent headphones you can get for 200-250,-
Great insight and good attempt of the EQ simulation! I have a pair of these with the same drivers. The best way I can describe it is like a mid-scooped Audio Technica M50x. In certain use cases these headphones are really useful but I’ll be using monitor speakers and the Beyerdynamics headphones for referencing a mix
@@gabofortuna that's depressing tbh. The M50x are notoriously an unbalanced mess. I still remember trying them on my local store and my ears literally hurting from the high end.
Unfair review and maybe only judging from a specific audio orbit. Speaking as an established audio worker, I use high end monitoring in the studio Quested, MC2, Cranesong blah blah. When I’m on location with sound bag, I use flimsiest cheapest Sennheiser headphones that I won’t cry about if I break (which I often do). Low latency headphones that free me from being tethered to my sound bag is very exciting and I don’t care about pristine perfection in this situation. I can imagine some vocalists will find lack of tethering more comfortable and less distracting, drummers yes,moving from room to room, instrument to instrument without having to worry about cable length- all worth it… How many musicians who are tracking don’t care or are even aware of “high end” headphones? I’d say from my experience: most I’d also be interested if these headphones were fairly driven from a variety of impedance loading stereo headphone outputs
I'm sick of tracking my guitars with wired headphones, reaching to the mike or tweaking the amp head and, eventually, ending up trapped in a coily mess. So, even if the sound quality is comparable to some cheap HP, it must have some value for recording musicians/producers. Probably AIAIAI sent this product to you just to trigger such a discussion in the comments section of your video.And it played out rather well.
When sitting I put the cable through the bottom of the guitar, inbetween my legs and guitar body, and 880 Pro's has spiral cable, I wrap one round on the strap lock, it stays there for one guitar haha. Gotta be creative for cables :D... Never tried standing up yet...
I do this too. I sort out the brunt of the track with these, and get the mixes as balanced as I can, but then switch to yamaha HS7 to get the bass and overall balance right.
I think it is often more important to get to know your preferred listening system verses upgradinig it. Andrew Sheps mixes on headphones and he has done it for years.
Yep, many don't understand how powerful the human brain is to just working it out. Evidence of this is when you mix to fatigue it can sound great, next morning fresh in the studio not so good and you wonder where did this great mix disappear to? I don't think fidelity in the studio is actually as important as the industry wants you to believe, but you must remain fixed on your speakers and headphone choice and it be of good-enough quality to hear without too many db of gain or attenuation in a hz range.
something to do with the low mids and top end on the wireless headphones. I feel like they're trying to get an airy, spacious, clear sound with how they made the frequency response on these. A bit like NS10's in a way. Thing is NS10's and bright speakers tend to do this way better. Also the EQ on them just isn't going to give the open sound stage an open back like the AKG K712's or Sennheiser HD600s have. Those are real studio headphones for mixing. These are like a sub par attempt
Cheapest best hack for low latency wireless headphones/ in ear monitors = 70$ wireless guitar cable, one has headphone monitor jack use with any headphones and other 1/4” - 1/8” adaptor to any input. Uses 2.4 , 3/5 milliseconds delay
I think this sounds like a fair assessment. I probably do not need low latency or perfect audio rendition when producing (which for me is 90% of the job) so these would probably be fine. And then switch to another environment for mixing and mastering. Anyway, great video as always.
Txs. Which would you recommend for a singer? I prefer semiopen or open because I want to preserve the soundstage. I have these in mind: AKG 240 mkII (have them) SUperlux 668b, Beyerdynamics 880 pro 32 OHMS, Sony WH-1000XM4, Samson Q2U. Any idea? Txs PS: I already have Rode m1 (great), Samson Q2U (great), and Shure sm35 (headset microphone) to use when playing the piano and not having other mics block my view. It is a great mic. But of course you need to keep it away of the speakers.
Yep like others have said, these might be suitable for tracking, but certainly not mixing as they seem anything but accurate. No idea if they are open or closed back design, so if they are open then they may actually be good for nothing in the studio.
hi got a question. ist this a good mixing method to record song from pc to a tapdesk like an Akai gx95. and then record it back to the pc again. I want that real tape sound. than i can blend it with the original from the daw. what do u think?
I love them. I started with the TMA-1, then upgraded to the TMA-2, then bought another pair...the TMA-2 wireless+ . With headphones you have to live with them for a while and know their strengths and weaknesses, like any other pair. Nothing is truly flat. That piece of music you used to demonstrate them was awful anyway, and sounded like it already had too much top end, so they would've sounded better on something that had more balance.
Funny coincidence, Dr. mix featured these same headphones just yesterday in his latest video. However he didn’t mention how they actually work. If it has it’s own transmitter that you plug into the output of an interface, it has to do double audio conversion. DAC from computer to audio output, ADC in transmitter, and DAC in headphone itself. Seems a bit inefficient to me (what about signal quality?). How good are the ADC’s / DAC’s in these headphones? I wonder if they use those common Cirrus Logic chips.
Not really sure who to ask but I would want to know your opinion on which headphones (preferably TWS) would you buy for yourself. Let me explain. I have Airpods Pro with Mimi hearing test "calibration", I also have NuraTrue and Sony XM4. Is there anything that could I upgrade my listening to a "new level"? I had Grado GT220 but they seemed to me to have too much bass. For normal listening, I have also KEF LS50 Wireless 2 as Speakers but when I'm outside ... everyone is bullshiting at Airpods Pro but to me, especially with this EQ for my ears, I like them ... hmm
Per price range, these are my recommendations: Under 100usd: AKG K240 Under 200usd: ATH M40x, Beyerdynamic DT770, Sony MDR7506, AKG K612pro (those are a little lacking in subbass, but the definition of the highs is absolutely insane) Under 300usd: AKG K712, Beyerdynamic DT 990, Sennheiser HD650s Under 500usd: Sennheiser HD 600 (these are, as literally every frequency response graph will show you, the most flat headphones that exist). A lot of this stuff is just general knowledge rather than experience, but I do own some AKG K702pro (they're basically the K612pro, but with a detachable chord and a slightly different frequency response), AKG M220 (which are the AKG k240 but different from what I've tested) and the ATH M40X (which I can wholeheartedly recommend, as they sound both very balanced and easy to the ears, also shown by a frequency response graph). Oh and I might have all my prices messed up, cause I'm Canadian :P
I have to admit I found the SO5 MK 2 units terrible too. Muddy and distant. Awfully low volume too. If you can get the now discontinued SO4 units they are brilliant.
I had a pair of their previous non-wireless headphones for a while. One of the least neutral headphones I ever had, so scooped in the mid and very hyped in the bass. Much worse than Sennheiser HD-25s. Now, I use AKG702s and Beyerdynamic DT 670s depending on what I'm focusing on. I could live with Sennheiser 650s as a compromise.
I would like to see a comparison between those and similarly priced wired headphones. The wired studios and young guru preset are very good for djing from their massive low end and decent sound isolation. The part that doesn't make sense to me is why would anyone need wireless headphones in a studio where you're almost always 1m away from a headphone jack. Wireless headphones are amazing for their convenience when leaving your house, The sound quality is good as long as you don't compare them to an equally priced wired set.
I have them and use them when I record drums and vocal. For that purpose they work fine. However I can not use the pan function In Logic Pro X Maybe that is only something wrong with my samples? Anyone with a comment on this?
A quick another mixing speakers are not bad, it expands the places you can roughly mix like airplanes or some place outside studio, thank you so much for such nice video
Voor oorwarmers in de winter zijn ze wel een beetje duur denk ik. Ik waardeer je oprechte mening altijd, dit keer was je wel erg aardig voor de makers .😎
Great concept , like the old Sennheisers...quite disapointing from just this review. I saw these a while ago and always found it the way forward, if only all gear was built with this ease of replacement/ upgrades(?)
The TMA-1 are pretty all over the place to correct: Preamp: -6.3 dB Filter 1: ON PK Fc 23 Hz Gain 7.0 dB Q 1.00 Filter 2: ON PK Fc 63 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 0.67 Filter 3: ON PK Fc 198 Hz Gain -4.1 dB Q 0.42 Filter 4: ON PK Fc 2402 Hz Gain 5.7 dB Q 1.70 Filter 5: ON PK Fc 4566 Hz Gain 5.1 dB Q 2.32 Filter 6: ON PK Fc 729 Hz Gain 1.6 dB Q 3.92 Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1082 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 2.90 Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1808 Hz Gain 1.0 dB Q 4.43 Filter 9: ON PK Fc 9754 Hz Gain 1.2 dB Q 1.66 Filter 10: ON PK Fc 19816 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 0.37
I know they're not from your family, but I've had them on my favorites list for a very long time. If you want, you can give them to me. :)) I'm a producer and I've been wanting these for a long time so I can move to my instruments. :) Anyway, I really like your videos because they are honest. Keep it going.
I should have watched this before buying. While I get the value proposition of wireless while jamming on synths at night, I'm equally disappointed with the sound quality. This of course is my personal opinion but I can totally relate to the assessment.
I use them for 6 months and I did not expect the sound was so bad. But after finishing a song with them I listened it with other headphones and your totally right. These headphone sound like shit even with de cable. I discovered many things I did just do not hear Ith the aiaiai. I won’t use them anymore. 400€ wasted with bullshit.
I trust your approximation, and the result doesn't completely shock me. I've heard a lot of cans over the years, including the big $$$$ ones, and they often have a hypey top end. Maybe not as exaggerated as this, but the feeling is similar......and over $300 ! 🧐😳
I think the harshness of these cans (assuming the filtering is somewhat accurate) is actually exceptionally bad. I have consumer grade Sennheiser PXC550s that I occasionally mix with and they sound wayyyy easier on the ears gdamn.
Their good for recording… but not for production… which kind of ruin’s the best use case and that’s having to be silent when making productions… although, in the same breath… it’s not going to bring out the best in a performance. Surely it’ll not be hard to do this same method but make the quality really usable… these days anyway… I was thinking of these… not now lol
It's probably harder than you'd think, as the largest issue with wireless headphones is that the creators have to fit in the highest possible quality DAC into the comparatively tiny shell of the headphones. Wireless headphones have to do DAC internally, contrary to wired, where the DAC is external.
There are some really bad sounding headphones out there that sell at a high price - the most egregious example is the Adam Audio headphones that sell for 600 dollars but sound absolutely disgusting. I do appreciate the innovation on these wireless headphones though - the low latency thing is cool, hope they will improve the audio quality over the years.
there is probably someone at the back office with face in handpalm and thinking "ai , ai , ai. we should've never sent him this headphone" after this review . 😆
but on a serious note, the modularity of this brand is commendable. I wish more headphone builders would do this. It's just a shame the sound is not up to studio par, especially as there are plenty of headphones in this price range that do sound very good. it's a bit of marketing strategy to call them studio grade. producer will be enticed by a product like this. For me this review is definitely a deal breaker. The sound comparison really brought that point across.
@@RoryRonde yeah, it's really disappointing to see really big names promote headphones that are clearly just not going to be useful for mixing at all. Most people don't have the money the buy another pair of headphones if the first ones don't work.
@@radiofloyd2359 yeah considering the price range. On the other hand it could maybe inspire them to make a headphone that has both the ergonomics and good sound quality. It's clear there is room for improvement but that should not stop them from making better models. A price like this will be more justifiable then. Maybe they or some other company could make a wireless solution that lets you plug in in your own studio grade head phone and use a receiver/transmitter to get the same latency. I think that would sell pretty well. with a headphone amplifier built in so even high impedance headphones can be used. Probably expensive to make too but it will be something that I would buy. Now it's extension cables that clutter your whole workspace. If wireless would be high quality enough and low latency for realtime monintoring I would throw all my cables away in an instant!
It's almost as if these companies never cross-reference other companies and A/B their own products to the products engineers are actually using!? Wait a minute, where have I heard that before... Oh yes! That one company that sells you the C Major chord!
I had two pairs (wired) that they gave me for free. Gave them both to kids of my friends.. i just recently invested to upgrade/restore my 20y old byerdynamic headphone. Also bought a longer extension cabel… happy happy joy joy… the sound of aiaiaiaia is awful and ears are f*cked but stil….
The simulation shows the lack of high end, lows and mid lows, it doesn't sound balanced. And i'm hearing this on a old Sony XB50AP (that i repaired) and has a roll off on the highs around 16-19KHz (part of that is driver wear) but since i have a lot of sensitivity there, it's fine for me. Since i'm kinda poor, i can't afford a Sennheiser HD800S, but now i know that my XB50AP (originally 30$) beats a +300$ wireless headphone by this video alone and that makes me happy.
Personally, I’d love this for the plane/road trips. In general just anything on the move where I want the smallest cable footprint as possible. Just less hassle!
Heard some similar things, sounds overpriced. I’ve heard a number of RUclipsrs (some big ones) praise these. I have to say the RUclipsrs making claims like these I unsub from as I’m not watching RUclips to listen to a bunch of promotors.
These should be around 80$, but even old my SONY XB50AP that i bought for 30$ years ago (and repaired after getting the left side damaged) sound better. I don't have that lack of low mids, sub lows and highs like the simulation from the video. Reminds me of other Sony headphones that have a similar price like my XB50APs and sound crap in comparison, with worse dynamic range and inconsistent frequency response with sharp noticiable spikes and other nonsense.
The word "Studio" in "studio headphones" don't necessarily mean that they are for mixing.
They are for monitoring. So, a drummer can wear them while tracking, stuff like that. Do they sound good enough for such an application?
@@my-wifes-boyfriend-is-a-lawyer They still have to be clear and relatively flat, and not hyped, for them to work well for monitoring. So no, 20 dollar headphones are not good enough.
@@pauliusmscichauskas558 Yes, 20 dollars headphones are good enough for the application you mentioned.
@@tobytodelafontena but you won't get wireless transmission.. I bought some old sennheiser iem transmitters and receivers for this purpose. This way the musicians can also use their own crappy headphones if they prefer 😅
I have a pair of these and I did not buy them to mix on. I have other headphones for that. I mainly use these in situation where having headphone chords get in the way. On of these situation is when I am practicing guitar or base using headphones. It is so liberating not having to deal with wires when you have a guitar strapped to you. I really don't want to use any other pair of headphones for this purpose. The other situation is playing midi instruments. The chord just gets in the way. I have tried them singing and the latency is more apparent there. Something akin to chorusing. So I think it would be up to the vocalist to determine if that is too bothersome or not. I agree they don't sound like premium headphones but they have a use that no wired headphone can match.
Totally agree. 👍
"This headphone sound like shit" "I'll definitely not use them" -> "the company had no saying into the making of this video" well ... of course. I am still laughing at the fact that you had to point that out. I don't think any company would agree to a sponsor message like this. You are amazing, mate. Love the way you make content.
This sounds like it would be great on a vocalist or musician during a recording session so they feel less restricted while doing their performance
@@leosoundtrack why, wont they hear the music?
Hmm. If the vocalist wants to hear himself thin then yeah. According to the example in the video, these headphones sound realy weak and thin. I dont like too harsh headphones.
They may not be the best for monitoring next to a mic, I hear they bleed through the backs quite a bit. That said, they seem fine for instrumental artists at least in theory
I often have "creative" sessions where I dont pay any (!) attention to the mixdown and regularly use headphones for these occasions. So these are probably pretty good for casual production, but when you get deeper into EQ etc. switch to your regular monitors. These headphones, and others, can be a fine addition to a studio!
These r perfect for a live looper, who has instruments all around him and a 1 man band. Sooooo many uses. Taking off a guitar performing live and wearing ur next instrument or whtever. Absolutely made for performers
I like to add 4 points:
1. The "Low Latency" mode is actually 16ms. This is a lot more than you would get from pro in ear monitoring systems. It is OK dialing in a Synth or playing slower stuff (or working with a sequencer, for that matter), but it is challenging playing percussive sounds or fast guitar. This 16ms adds up to the latency of your computer and/or digital intrument. It should be considered, if you invested heavily in low latency gear...
2. I noticed some low level white noise using the transmitter. You can't let the power supply connected to the transmitter, because (in my personal setup) I got a tiny bit of 50Hz hum.
3. They are great for jumping around in your bedroom studio, if it is late and you can't use monitors. I agree, they are not a tool for mixing, but have their place while composing or jamming around.
4. I got a much better sound switching from these Alcantara Ear pads to the leather ones.
As always: Thanks a lot - and it was a cool idea to use an EQ in order to "simulate" your experience!!!
Hey, thanks for the feedback! Regarding your second point, here's a couple of short steps you can take to remove/reduce the hiss by adjusting the volume on your input device and on the headphones: aiaiai.audio/help/wireless-plus/i-hear-a-hissing-sound-on-my-w-headphones-what-can
@@watchAIAIAI Did not expect that anybody read my comment 🙂
I followed the steps in the link provided above and was able to significantly reduce the hiss issue. Thanks a lot!
Btw: I love the fact that I can use bluetooth as well. Using a headset in different context helps me a lot to learn how they sound.
@@derived-doom no probs, happy to hear that it worked and thanks for the kind words:)
If they don’t sound that good from a marketing point of view they probably should sell this as DJ wireless high quality latency free headphones
The reason I plan on getting them is because I have mobile studio setup and I find myself using Bluetooth a lot when I produce tracks which sucks because of the latency. these headphones take out my problem of wanting wireless but still being able to play parts in on my midi keyboard. Also I travel a lot to record vocals for other people and these would not lock my singer in one place so that they can feel more free to perform however they want. I have a pair of speakers and HD 650s from Sennheiser that I use to mix. Though I think because I don't have a treated room I just reference on different sound systems a lot to make sure they translate.
I wonder how they'd sound paired with something like Sonarworks SoundID. Still not the best solution considering you now need a 2nd product to fix the issues of the first, but still would be an interesting test.
I also wonder how well their low latency system works and whether it's really useful for stuff like live performance ro monitoring during recording.
Andrew Huang has a review on these from a couple of weeks ago. Latency is like 16ms, if you're tracking playing to a backing track then this would be fine but if you want to hear yourself while singing that might cause some issues.
I dont know why you would want wireless for mixing, but they could be fine to use a monitor for the musician, there the wireless has some value.
I think they’re more meant for producers/musicians, the latency thing is mainly a performance issue, I’d like the idea of moving around in the studio with your music on, going to the next instrument/device and playing around and adding to the track. They might be ok enough for that purpose, or are they not even living up to that standard? I actually think the price is on the high side, considering the excellent headphones you can get for 200-250,-
I've been using Sennheiser HD650 for years with incredible results. Sick of these gimmicks. Thanks for saving me $300!
Same. Been using my AKG K702s for a while, and although bass could use a little boosting, the AIAIAI seem to sound absolutely terrible next to them.
Slate vsx headphones have been my best purchase in 20 years for improving my mixing. Everyone should own a pair if they’re serious about mixing.
These would be amazing for a drummer tracking. Or anything else really I wouldn’t mix on them tho
Great insight and good attempt of the EQ simulation! I have a pair of these with the same drivers. The best way I can describe it is like a mid-scooped Audio Technica M50x.
In certain use cases these headphones are really useful but I’ll be using monitor speakers and the Beyerdynamics headphones for referencing a mix
So M50x but worse?
I definitely prefer the sound of the M50Xs if I had to pick between these two
@@gabofortuna that's depressing tbh.
The M50x are notoriously an unbalanced mess.
I still remember trying them on my local store and my ears literally hurting from the high end.
Finding a headphone that sounds neutral without EQ is quite a feat tbh
I got a pair of Focus Clear Mg Pros which I imagined using with Sienna, and they're collecting dust. I am sure it is a personal preference, tho.
Unfair review and maybe only judging from a specific audio orbit. Speaking as an established audio worker, I use high end monitoring in the studio Quested, MC2, Cranesong blah blah. When I’m on location with sound bag, I use flimsiest cheapest Sennheiser headphones that I won’t cry about if I break (which I often do). Low latency headphones that free me from being tethered to my sound bag is very exciting and I don’t care about pristine perfection in this situation. I can imagine some vocalists will find lack of tethering more comfortable and less distracting, drummers yes,moving from room to room, instrument to instrument without having to worry about cable length- all worth it…
How many musicians who are tracking don’t care or are even aware of “high end” headphones? I’d say from my experience: most
I’d also be interested if these headphones were fairly driven from a variety of impedance loading stereo headphone outputs
I'm sick of tracking my guitars with wired headphones, reaching to the mike or tweaking the amp head and, eventually, ending up trapped in a coily mess. So, even if the sound quality is comparable to some cheap HP, it must have some value for recording musicians/producers. Probably AIAIAI sent this product to you just to trigger such a discussion in the comments section of your video.And it played out rather well.
When sitting I put the cable through the bottom of the guitar, inbetween my legs and guitar body, and 880 Pro's has spiral cable, I wrap one round on the strap lock, it stays there for one guitar haha. Gotta be creative for cables :D... Never tried standing up yet...
I love using them for production, then i switch to monitors for fine detail mixing.
do not recommend for mixing
I do this too. I sort out the brunt of the track with these, and get the mixes as balanced as I can, but then switch to yamaha HS7 to get the bass and overall balance right.
Sometimes honesty hurts........but maybe because of your honesty, they'll improve their product. Good review.
I think it is often more important to get to know your preferred listening system verses upgradinig it. Andrew Sheps mixes on headphones and he has done it for years.
Yep, many don't understand how powerful the human brain is to just working it out. Evidence of this is when you mix to fatigue it can sound great, next morning fresh in the studio not so good and you wonder where did this great mix disappear to? I don't think fidelity in the studio is actually as important as the industry wants you to believe, but you must remain fixed on your speakers and headphone choice and it be of good-enough quality to hear without too many db of gain or attenuation in a hz range.
something to do with the low mids and top end on the wireless headphones. I feel like they're trying to get an airy, spacious, clear sound with how they made the frequency response on these. A bit like NS10's in a way. Thing is NS10's and bright speakers tend to do this way better. Also the EQ on them just isn't going to give the open sound stage an open back like the AKG K712's or Sennheiser HD600s have. Those are real studio headphones for mixing. These are like a sub par attempt
I really apreciate that you are thurough with your review and do not compromise your opinoin when reviewing products sent to you.
Cheapest best hack for low latency wireless headphones/ in ear monitors =
70$ wireless guitar cable, one has headphone monitor jack use with any headphones and other 1/4” - 1/8” adaptor to any input. Uses 2.4 , 3/5 milliseconds delay
I think this sounds like a fair assessment. I probably do not need low latency or perfect audio rendition when producing (which for me is 90% of the job) so these would probably be fine. And then switch to another environment for mixing and mastering. Anyway, great video as always.
Txs. Which would you recommend for a singer? I prefer semiopen or open because I want to preserve the soundstage. I have these in mind: AKG 240 mkII (have them) SUperlux 668b, Beyerdynamics 880 pro 32 OHMS, Sony WH-1000XM4, Samson Q2U. Any idea? Txs
PS: I already have Rode m1 (great), Samson Q2U (great), and Shure sm35 (headset microphone) to use when playing the piano and not having other mics block my view. It is a great mic. But of course you need to keep it away of the speakers.
I have those. I think they are more for tracking than actually mixing.
I always like your reviews. Perfect.
Yep like others have said, these might be suitable for tracking, but certainly not mixing as they seem anything but accurate.
No idea if they are open or closed back design, so if they are open then they may actually be good for nothing in the studio.
They're closed, you could pretty clearly see that in the video. Velour pads means there's probably a decent amount of bleeding tho.
hi
got a question. ist this a good mixing method to record song from pc to a tapdesk like an Akai gx95. and then record it back to the pc again. I want that real tape sound. than i can blend it with the original from the daw. what do u think?
I love them. I started with the TMA-1, then upgraded to the TMA-2, then bought another pair...the TMA-2 wireless+ . With headphones you have to live with them for a while and know their strengths and weaknesses, like any other pair. Nothing is truly flat. That piece of music you used to demonstrate them was awful anyway, and sounded like it already had too much top end, so they would've sounded better on something that had more balance.
Funny coincidence, Dr. mix featured these same headphones just yesterday in his latest video. However he didn’t mention how they actually work. If it has it’s own transmitter that you plug into the output of an interface, it has to do double audio conversion. DAC from computer to audio output, ADC in transmitter, and DAC in headphone itself. Seems a bit inefficient to me (what about signal quality?). How good are the ADC’s / DAC’s in these headphones? I wonder if they use those common Cirrus Logic chips.
Not really sure who to ask but I would want to know your opinion on which headphones (preferably TWS) would you buy for yourself. Let me explain. I have Airpods Pro with Mimi hearing test "calibration", I also have NuraTrue and Sony XM4. Is there anything that could I upgrade my listening to a "new level"? I had Grado GT220 but they seemed to me to have too much bass. For normal listening, I have also KEF LS50 Wireless 2 as Speakers but when I'm outside ... everyone is bullshiting at Airpods Pro but to me, especially with this EQ for my ears, I like them ... hmm
Per price range, these are my recommendations:
Under 100usd: AKG K240
Under 200usd: ATH M40x, Beyerdynamic DT770, Sony MDR7506, AKG K612pro (those are a little lacking in subbass, but the definition of the highs is absolutely insane)
Under 300usd: AKG K712, Beyerdynamic DT 990, Sennheiser HD650s
Under 500usd: Sennheiser HD 600 (these are, as literally every frequency response graph will show you, the most flat headphones that exist).
A lot of this stuff is just general knowledge rather than experience, but I do own some AKG K702pro (they're basically the K612pro, but with a detachable chord and a slightly different frequency response), AKG M220 (which are the AKG k240 but different from what I've tested) and the ATH M40X (which I can wholeheartedly recommend, as they sound both very balanced and easy to the ears, also shown by a frequency response graph).
Oh and I might have all my prices messed up, cause I'm Canadian :P
Agree. Tried them for 3 weeks and have send them back, especially due to the bad sound.
I have to admit I found the SO5 MK 2 units terrible too. Muddy and distant. Awfully low volume too. If you can get the now discontinued SO4 units they are brilliant.
You are the best critique I whatch I always know I can trust your review
I had a pair of their previous non-wireless headphones for a while. One of the least neutral headphones I ever had, so scooped in the mid and very hyped in the bass. Much worse than Sennheiser HD-25s. Now, I use AKG702s and Beyerdynamic DT 670s depending on what I'm focusing on. I could live with Sennheiser 650s as a compromise.
I would like to see a comparison between those and similarly priced wired headphones. The wired studios and young guru preset are very good for djing from their massive low end and decent sound isolation. The part that doesn't make sense to me is why would anyone need wireless headphones in a studio where you're almost always 1m away from a headphone jack. Wireless headphones are amazing for their convenience when leaving your house, The sound quality is good as long as you don't compare them to an equally priced wired set.
After reading comments I completely overlooked the fact that most people in studios aren't me making computer music ITB lol
I have them and use them when I record drums and vocal. For that purpose they work fine. However I can not use the pan function In Logic Pro X Maybe that is only something wrong with my samples? Anyone with a comment on this?
A quick another mixing speakers are not bad, it expands the places you can roughly mix like airplanes or some place outside studio, thank you so much for such nice video
Voor oorwarmers in de winter zijn ze wel een beetje duur denk ik. Ik waardeer je oprechte mening altijd, dit keer was je wel erg aardig voor de makers .😎
Great concept , like the old Sennheisers...quite disapointing from just this review.
I saw these a while ago and always found it the way forward, if only all gear was built with this ease of replacement/ upgrades(?)
can you use that low-latency thingie with other headphones?
No, it's a transmitter built for the receiver on the AIAIAI headphones only.
The TMA-1 are pretty all over the place to correct:
Preamp: -6.3 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 23 Hz Gain 7.0 dB Q 1.00
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 63 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 0.67
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 198 Hz Gain -4.1 dB Q 0.42
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 2402 Hz Gain 5.7 dB Q 1.70
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 4566 Hz Gain 5.1 dB Q 2.32
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 729 Hz Gain 1.6 dB Q 3.92
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 1082 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 2.90
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1808 Hz Gain 1.0 dB Q 4.43
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 9754 Hz Gain 1.2 dB Q 1.66
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 19816 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 0.37
No promotional code for the headphones then ? 😁
could you take a look at lulever?
Would have been cool to know a bit more about the latency of these. But if they don't sound nice, well yeah...
I know they're not from your family, but I've had them on my favorites list for a very long time. If you want, you can give them to me. :)) I'm a producer and I've been wanting these for a long time so I can move to my instruments. :)
Anyway, I really like your videos because they are honest. Keep it going.
I should have watched this before buying. While I get the value proposition of wireless while jamming on synths at night, I'm equally disappointed with the sound quality. This of course is my personal opinion but I can totally relate to the assessment.
Surprised that you didn't put "is this snake oil" in the description
The filter you set up reminds me of the Sony 7506 headphones, which I also dislike very much
There are SONY IEMs and Sennheisee that are more well rounded than that thing, it sounds too bright.
16ms latency plus whatever your daw is adding is to much for tracking accurately (unless you are using midi)
I use them for 6 months and I did not expect the sound was so bad. But after finishing a song with them I listened it with other headphones and your totally right. These headphone sound like shit even with de cable. I discovered many things I did just do not hear Ith the aiaiai. I won’t use them anymore. 400€ wasted with bullshit.
I trust your approximation, and the result doesn't completely shock me. I've heard a lot of cans over the years, including the big $$$$ ones, and they often have a hypey top end. Maybe not as exaggerated as this, but the feeling is similar......and over $300 ! 🧐😳
I think the harshness of these cans (assuming the filtering is somewhat accurate) is actually exceptionally bad.
I have consumer grade Sennheiser PXC550s that I occasionally mix with and they sound wayyyy easier on the ears gdamn.
please review to slate vsx headphones. they looks to good to be true !
I second this
Their good for recording… but not for production… which kind of ruin’s the best use case and that’s having to be silent when making productions… although, in the same breath… it’s not going to bring out the best in a performance. Surely it’ll not be hard to do this same method but make the quality really usable… these days anyway… I was thinking of these… not now lol
It's probably harder than you'd think, as the largest issue with wireless headphones is that the creators have to fit in the highest possible quality DAC into the comparatively tiny shell of the headphones. Wireless headphones have to do DAC internally, contrary to wired, where the DAC is external.
I completely agree. Just got them and very disappointed. My AirPods Pros sound better. I like the Bluetooth functionality tho it’s a shame
There are some really bad sounding headphones out there that sell at a high price - the most egregious example is the Adam Audio headphones that sell for 600 dollars but sound absolutely disgusting. I do appreciate the innovation on these wireless headphones though - the low latency thing is cool, hope they will improve the audio quality over the years.
€350 is still quite a lot of money for most people, especially for a home studio.
If the headphones anywhere near how your filtering makes the music sound, that's really really bad.
Is it pronounced like I I I?
4 ads.. srs
there is probably someone at the back office with face in handpalm and thinking "ai , ai , ai. we should've never sent him this headphone" after this review . 😆
but on a serious note, the modularity of this brand is commendable. I wish more headphone builders would do this. It's just a shame the sound is not up to studio par, especially as there are plenty of headphones in this price range that do sound very good. it's a bit of marketing strategy to call them studio grade. producer will be enticed by a product like this. For me this review is definitely a deal breaker. The sound comparison really brought that point across.
@@RoryRonde yeah, it's really disappointing to see really big names promote headphones that are clearly just not going to be useful for mixing at all.
Most people don't have the money the buy another pair of headphones if the first ones don't work.
@@radiofloyd2359 yeah considering the price range. On the other hand it could maybe inspire them to make a headphone that has both the ergonomics and good sound quality. It's clear there is room for improvement but that should not stop them from making better models. A price like this will be more justifiable then. Maybe they or some other company could make a wireless solution that lets you plug in in your own studio grade head phone and use a receiver/transmitter to get the same latency. I think that would sell pretty well. with a headphone amplifier built in so even high impedance headphones can be used. Probably expensive to make too but it will be something that I would buy. Now it's extension cables that clutter your whole workspace. If wireless would be high quality enough and low latency for realtime monintoring I would throw all my cables away in an instant!
I'm a distant family member. Send it to Vienna. Thank you.
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I'll take them and pay for shipping 🙂
Far not the worst headphones out there. A little bit thin on bass, but otherwise quite all right.
It's almost as if these companies never cross-reference other companies and A/B their own products to the products engineers are actually using!?
Wait a minute, where have I heard that before...
Oh yes!
That one company that sells you the C Major chord!
I had two pairs (wired) that they gave me for free. Gave them both to kids of my friends.. i just recently invested to upgrade/restore my 20y old byerdynamic headphone. Also bought a longer extension cabel… happy happy joy joy… the sound of aiaiaiaia is awful and ears are f*cked but stil….
If you gave them to me I would pay for the shipping to California :)
to be fair, the original could be a little brighter and crisper. but my god, the simulation is nasty.
The simulation shows the lack of high end, lows and mid lows, it doesn't sound balanced.
And i'm hearing this on a old Sony XB50AP (that i repaired) and has a roll off on the highs around 16-19KHz (part of that is driver wear) but since i have a lot of sensitivity there, it's fine for me.
Since i'm kinda poor, i can't afford a Sennheiser HD800S, but now i know that my XB50AP (originally 30$) beats a +300$ wireless headphone by this video alone and that makes me happy.
I've been mixing thru my AKG Pro Audio K371 headphones. They're not wireless, but man do they sound great!
There's a wireless version of them, iirc, Bluetooth!
if the simulation is accurate those sound really bad
i tested last year the dj headphones from aiaiai, sorry they sounded like poop.
Personally, I’d love this for the plane/road trips. In general just anything on the move where I want the smallest cable footprint as possible. Just less hassle!
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the sound of snake oil
Patreon giveaway lol
if they *had* paid you for promotion they'd probably ask for a refund 😂
Heard some similar things, sounds overpriced. I’ve heard a number of RUclipsrs (some big ones) praise these. I have to say the RUclipsrs making claims like these I unsub from as I’m not watching RUclips to listen to a bunch of promotors.
I’m kind of confused are you here for review headphones or are you stand up comedian?
These should be around 80$, but even old my SONY XB50AP that i bought for 30$ years ago (and repaired after getting the left side damaged) sound better. I don't have that lack of low mids, sub lows and highs like the simulation from the video.
Reminds me of other Sony headphones that have a similar price like my XB50APs and sound crap in comparison, with worse dynamic range and inconsistent frequency response with sharp noticiable spikes and other nonsense.
Headphrones 😂😂😂
Sounds so washy. There are way better cheap headphones for production
16 bit audio 👎🏻