One of the admins of the wiki here, and I will say this was a nice video. I do completely agree that FANDOM has problems. As for the vandalism, it's a shame we have to but we tend to lock new pages due to how often they artract vandalism. The other issues are completely understandable, though (though I will say I've never seen the mobile website have such small text, it's quite big for me.)
yea but there are problems with mpgs website as well besides being slow there are a few mistakes as well like rare yools breeding time being wrong (edit he fiiixed the rare yool breeding combo)
@@noodlenationproductions yea but when i first got rare yool i was super confused cause nothing with that breeding combo matched the time on mpgs website
There is the BIGGEST issue with the wiki page which is the monsters orgins in which they SHOULD be based on like for Mammott is based on the abominable Snowman or Potbelly is based on a carnivorous plant for example.
For your first essay type video, this is incredible quality with the points to back it up. I really like how you formatted everything as well, as well as the use of official remixes. Great job!
As a Wiki editor, my main problem with the MSM Wiki is that the admins removed physical descriptions of all the Monsters from every page According to them, the descriptions were redundant since you can just look at the Monster AND they took up too much space, but 1. What if you can't look at the Monster? 2. Collapsables exist and are even used on this Wiki, so space isn't an issue Basically every other Wiki has physical descriptions for their characters, even the Wikis for games that aren't accessible to the visually impaired, so removing them was a really strange decision Also this video is good lol
Exactly And monster descriptions are pretty interesting anyways, because you can easily say that it's based on a dog but has flute reeds on it. And the person might not know what a flute Reed is, but may look it up
@@vlsboiThere was a Wiki from Minecraft in Fandom, but there was so much advertisements so they create a new page just for Minecraft information called Minecraft Wiki
Y'know, I think I have a whole different experience with Wiki Fandom due to the statements you made doesn't apply to me. 1. Ads aren't really a problem for me. Only appearing twice 2. The text is at a moderate size for mobile 3. Vandalism is absent 4. My phone performance is fine when I use the Wiki Fandom. Probably because my phone is a fairly recent model (2021) However, everyone's experience may be different compared to mine. So your statements may still be very correct for some out there
The thing is, the vandalism doesn't happen because fans are constantly editing it, and to start vandalizing, the only thing you need is to log in and boom. You can already change it. This isnt even the main problem, the other one is fandom secretly changing some articles, which just sucks About the ads, fandom's website lag could possibly be a hint of ads playing in the background, even if this wasn't true, the ads are still a major problem since they are frequent and full of viruses, i once got not, 1, not 3, but FIVE ADS AT ONCE ON MY PHONE, some of them are even inappropriate. Also, there was a vandalism incident that changed potbelly's sprites to split peas from the game plants vs zombies, it was pretty funny, but it's proof of the website's flaws....
First of all, you did a well job explaining your criticisms about fandom As a power editor myself (Mamoot The Power Editor) I understand the frustrations with this platform but I think it's best that we stay here due to none of us having the technical knowledge to migrate the wiki data. We will need an understandment how we can move the data to another website and convince all users that this is the new Wiki. We can probably get BBB to help us but that's up in the air and that won't fix the fact that sometimes new ideas in the wiki can be squashed down if some people see it as unnecessary, which is kind of sad when somebody has a new idea to add in a Wiki
Personally here are my problems with the wiki: 1 - Number 2 2 - Number 3 3 - Number 4 4 - Number 5 5 - Number 6 6 - Number 7 7 - Number 8 8 - Number 9 9 - Number 10 10 - Ads Fun fact: If you type in a fandom url and replace it with “anti fandom” you will be taken to a version of fandom with no ads
Speaking of vandalism, before Pongping was released in both DoF and MSM, during the time it was around early to mid 2022, there was a page as a placeholder that would be modified if Pongping was released, then one day, someone vandalized the title that the monster's name is "Twisaler". This was reverted back after a day or so.
First of all you can create a Fandom account to block all ads. Secondly, the mobile website looks so bad because you are forcing the website to load its desktop version. The mobile version, while imperfect, looks much different and is readable
I would suggest moving to the same thing that the Minecraft wiki uses, but as far as I’m aware, there is no dedicated discussions tab on that platform and talking with others a a big draw for me.
I made a Fandom Wiki called Minecraft World, It's unproblematic, It only has one user (Which Is Me, The Burcreucrat / Admin), AND, It Is underrated and was safe from Corporate Greed.
A lot of the wikis I know have already migrated many times, the most notable example being AVID migrating from Fandom, to Miraheze, to MediaWiki. It's almost like all the best wiki-hosting websites progressively worsen with each half-decade...
The thing is, the vandalism doesn't happen because fans are constantly editing it, and to start vandalizing, the only thing you need is to log in and boom. You can already change it. This isnt even the main problem, the other one is fandom secretly changing some articles, which just sucks About the ads, fandom's website lag could possibly be a hint of ads playing in the background, even if this wasn't true, the ads are still a major problem since they are frequent and full of viruses, i once got not, 1, not 3, but FIVE ADS AT ONCE ON MY PHONE, some of them are even inappropriate. Also, there was a vandalism incident that changed potbelly's sprites to split peas from the game plants vs zombies, it was pretty funny, but it's proof of the website's flaws Please msm players, for your sake, stop using fandom
One of the admins of the wiki here, and I will say this was a nice video. I do completely agree that FANDOM has problems. As for the vandalism, it's a shame we have to but we tend to lock new pages due to how often they artract vandalism. The other issues are completely understandable, though (though I will say I've never seen the mobile website have such small text, it's quite big for me.)
Oh hey Wolf
As one of the wiki moderators, good video!
I think this is why mpg made his own site because I built it from the group up because the wiki is because a mess
*because*
yea but there are problems with mpgs website as well besides being slow there are a few mistakes as well like rare yools breeding time being wrong (edit he fiiixed the rare yool breeding combo)
@@randomcuber-nc5ie even if the time is wrong, does it really matter? if you want a good monster you should wait for it.
@@noodlenationproductions yea but when i first got rare yool i was super confused cause nothing with that breeding combo matched the time on mpgs website
While he did design the website, he actually doesn't maintain it. It's owned by a different website provider but still you have a point
There is the BIGGEST issue with the wiki page which is the monsters orgins in which they SHOULD be based on like for Mammott is based on the abominable Snowman or Potbelly is based on a carnivorous plant for example.
For your first essay type video, this is incredible quality with the points to back it up. I really like how you formatted everything as well, as well as the use of official remixes. Great job!
As a Wiki editor, my main problem with the MSM Wiki is that the admins removed physical descriptions of all the Monsters from every page
According to them, the descriptions were redundant since you can just look at the Monster AND they took up too much space, but
1. What if you can't look at the Monster?
2. Collapsables exist and are even used on this Wiki, so space isn't an issue
Basically every other Wiki has physical descriptions for their characters, even the Wikis for games that aren't accessible to the visually impaired, so removing them was a really strange decision
Also this video is good lol
Exactly And monster descriptions are pretty interesting anyways, because you can easily say that it's based on a dog but has flute reeds on it. And the person might not know what a flute Reed is, but may look it up
3:30 I hate how Fandom added that stupid "Just for you" & "Popular Pages" bar at the bottom, it made the site completely unbearable for me.
We should pull a Minecraft and abandon the Fandom wiki to make a different one.
What does minecraft have to do
@ Minecraft fandom did the same thing
@@vlsboiThere was a Wiki from Minecraft in Fandom, but there was so much advertisements so they create a new page just for Minecraft information called Minecraft Wiki
fandom's forking policy makes that a horrible experience leaving an outdated wiki higher than the real one
Terraria did the same thing, and since Terraria is better than Minecraft, let's rebrand it to "Let's pull a Terraria"
Y'know, I think I have a whole different experience with Wiki Fandom due to the statements you made doesn't apply to me.
1. Ads aren't really a problem for me. Only appearing twice
2. The text is at a moderate size for mobile
3. Vandalism is absent
4. My phone performance is fine when I use the Wiki Fandom. Probably because my phone is a fairly recent model (2021)
However, everyone's experience may be different compared to mine. So your statements may still be very correct for some out there
The thing is, the vandalism doesn't happen because fans are constantly editing it, and to start vandalizing, the only thing you need is to log in and boom. You can already change it.
This isnt even the main problem, the other one is fandom secretly changing some articles, which just sucks
About the ads, fandom's website lag could possibly be a hint of ads playing in the background, even if this wasn't true, the ads are still a major problem since they are frequent and full of viruses, i once got not, 1, not 3, but FIVE ADS AT ONCE ON MY PHONE, some of them are even inappropriate.
Also, there was a vandalism incident that changed potbelly's sprites to split peas from the game plants vs zombies, it was pretty funny, but it's proof of the website's flaws....
First of all, you did a well job explaining your criticisms about fandom
As a power editor myself (Mamoot The Power Editor) I understand the frustrations with this platform but I think it's best that we stay here due to none of us having the technical knowledge to migrate the wiki data. We will need an understandment how we can move the data to another website and convince all users that this is the new Wiki. We can probably get BBB to help us but that's up in the air and that won't fix the fact that sometimes new ideas in the wiki can be squashed down if some people see it as unnecessary, which is kind of sad when somebody has a new idea to add in a Wiki
I really hope that the BFDI wiki moves from fandom as well someday…
I still have the old msm guide on my old iPad but it crashes whenever I try to go on it
You deserve a veterans badge
I still got my mammott and my Pompom too
this deserves more views
Personally here are my problems with the wiki:
1 - Number 2
2 - Number 3
3 - Number 4
4 - Number 5
5 - Number 6
6 - Number 7
7 - Number 8
8 - Number 9
9 - Number 10
10 - Ads
Fun fact: If you type in a fandom url and replace it with “anti fandom” you will be taken to a version of fandom with no ads
Cool
Speaking of vandalism, before Pongping was released in both DoF and MSM, during the time it was around early to mid 2022, there was a page as a placeholder that would be modified if Pongping was released, then one day, someone vandalized the title that the monster's name is "Twisaler". This was reverted back after a day or so.
First of all you can create a Fandom account to block all ads. Secondly, the mobile website looks so bad because you are forcing the website to load its desktop version. The mobile version, while imperfect, looks much different and is readable
Also vandalism happens on every site
I would suggest moving to the same thing that the Minecraft wiki uses, but as far as I’m aware, there is no dedicated discussions tab on that platform and talking with others a a big draw for me.
I made a Fandom Wiki called Minecraft World, It's unproblematic, It only has one user (Which Is Me, The Burcreucrat / Admin), AND, It Is underrated and was safe from Corporate Greed.
Kickass
A lot of the wikis I know have already migrated many times, the most notable example being AVID migrating from Fandom, to Miraheze, to MediaWiki. It's almost like all the best wiki-hosting websites progressively worsen with each half-decade...
if both minecraft and battle cats can migrate wikis, than its possible for msm
I vote for Miraheze, as its basically just Fandom Wiki, but smart. FanSmart wiki.
The biggest problem is that i could edit it at any time to say rare edamimi is very breedable
Which i mean, she is but
Rare Edamimi has never been available via breeding, being evolved from the crucible on Amber Island, and bought from Starpower on Light Island.
@stevenhumenny816 not that kind of breedable
💀
@@GBmoreGBmore precisely
My man 🤝
ive actually proposed the idea of moving the wiki to somewhere else. its beyond time
Is the music the collusingum themes?
I have to enter a war zone just to know how to breed an epic
Ah yes because we all go to a comment section of a controversy on our way to breed an epic
@ I’m talking about fandom
I’m having to constantly fight off ads while trying to find the breeding combo for an epic
I don’t have ads
@@linxw3171 good for you
Woah what’s that cold island remix
Collisingum iirc
YEESSSS, I use the MSM wiki constantly, and I really want it to move to a better platform, PLEASE
The thing is, the vandalism doesn't happen because fans are constantly editing it, and to start vandalizing, the only thing you need is to log in and boom. You can already change it.
This isnt even the main problem, the other one is fandom secretly changing some articles, which just sucks
About the ads, fandom's website lag could possibly be a hint of ads playing in the background, even if this wasn't true, the ads are still a major problem since they are frequent and full of viruses, i once got not, 1, not 3, but FIVE ADS AT ONCE ON MY PHONE, some of them are even inappropriate.
Also, there was a vandalism incident that changed potbelly's sprites to split peas from the game plants vs zombies, it was pretty funny, but it's proof of the website's flaws
Please msm players, for your sake, stop using fandom
what about a good alternative to the bfdi wiki?
sadly no.
I hate fandom. Stupid ads and stupid honest trailers promotions :/