Shopping Center and Downtown Changes - Cities: Skylines - Altengrad 91
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- Building new commerce around the city, changing the center and expanding into the outskirts.
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Altengrad is a time-progression Cities: Skylines series where I build a Central European city, located until 1989 in the Eastern Bloc, taking inspiration from Germany, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary. The series starts around the year 1920 and slowly advances forward in time, which means the city will naturally evolve all the way to modern times. The city is not a recreation of any one real-life city or country, but it takes inspiration from them.
PC specs are in the channel's About page. No, the game doesn't run like this in real time. Cinematics are recorded slow and made faster in editing.
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Major sources:
(I) Archive of the Czech/Slovak/Czechoslovak TV and cinema news (various programmes, news clips or shows from relevant periods)
(II) Recent Czech TV programmes like historie.cs and others
(III) Museum visits, historical exhibitions or lectures
(IV) Looking at various historical photos, for example from pastvu.com, fortepan.hu
(V) Talking with older relatives, friends, colleagues
Pictures used:
(1) Czechoslovakia - pink tank by Meloun1212 / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-4.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
(2) Praha, Vodičkova, McDonalds by R4vi / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-2.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
(3) Hotelkyjev by Wizzard / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-2.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
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The tank being pink was a nice touch
I saw him change the color but didn’t hear the reason for it?
@@jeremymartin1957 It has gotta be cultural, like a symbol against soviet opression, however i don't know if It Is referenced to a real place
@@A_duck_in_politics It refers to the Pink Tank, an art piece by David Černý and on display in Kinsky Square in Prague 5. He took what was originally a soviet tank on a pedestal - titled "The Monument to Soviet Tank Crews" commemorating WW2, and painted it Pink as an ironic jab reclaiming the symbol, that at that point also doubled as a reminder of the Soviet Invasion in 1968.
@@jeremymartin1957 in 1991 one czech artist painted a tank memorial in smíchov in prague. then there were also some other works that were painted pink from him. in brno we had the pink tank memorial few years back (something around 2017) as a memorial to the artists of the 90s or something.
The Monument to Soviet Tank Crews (Czech: Památník sovětských tankistů) was a World War II memorial located in Prague.[1] It is also known as the Pink Tank because it was controversially painted pink in 1991, first by installation artist David Černý and a second time by members of parliament in protest at his arrest.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_Soviet_Tank_Crews
My mother used to say that in the 1990s she was amazed by the vast choice of furniture and home decoration stuff becoming available to buy. And of course the difference in customer service - now she could ask for any product variation in the store. In 1970s she went to a store wanting to buy a simple brush. The shop assistant gave her a random one, so my mum asked if she could get one in a brown colour. The shop assistant eventually gave it to her, but got angry, rolled their eyes and told to my mum that she was "fussy"/"picky" instead of being grateful of receiving anything. Now the staff was nice and helpful to the customer.
When you were building that shopping centre, I was convinced you took it from the first Tesco and Obi in Kraków - both a Tesco and a hobby market, with a slight elevation difference and a lot of RED/PINK concrete "cobblestone" pavement. That looks exactly as from 1990s in Poland - tonnes and tonnes of red concrete pavements. So beloved, now perceived as a non-aesthetic feature of the landscape.
Supermarket bus lines - they were prevalent in Poland as well, although usually were stopping at all stops on their route. I remember using one sometimes to come back home from school, it lasted till around 2008.
This series should be part of a Cities Skylines Hall of Fame.
the best modding, creativity and usage of the game i've ever seen
it really should.
Cities Skylines should ask Akruas to adopt it into official media.
it's *that* great.
it's the peak showcase, one of the best series i've seen, not only in/about cs, but in general.
Hey Akruas, I was thinking about what you said in the last episode, mainly the things that Alterngrad would face in the 90s, and an idea I had was the Central Europe floods of 1997. It's quite a memorable event in Poland due to the flooding of Wroclaw (Netflix even did a miniseries based on it) and having an episode dedicated to how a lot of the old city infrastructure such as the weir were less mainted might be a good episode topic (plus it could be really cinematic!) - just an idea :)
Flooding of Prague in 2002. What a topic to cover!
Great idea!
Not to difficult to flood your city in Cities Skylines. Just play with water/dams, haha. Love the idea! Could also give him the reason to replace some more of the older blocks with ugly new 90s buildings.
I can already imagine new high rise district near that Bauhaus. :D
i feel like it would be adequate to build some disgusting postmodernist building in the city center
I don't know if the city has that kind of money yet. Maybe like a foreign investor? But I don't see them building there
@@theorixlux2605 a private investor that had enriched himself during shady privatisation would fit
Even thought Altengrad is suposed to represent central Europe, at this stage it quite also represents my country, Romania. I mean especialy in Bucharest, at the end of the 90’s you were able to see advertising panels on nearly colapsing buildings
Romania is indeed central europe
Omg I swear I giggled out loud when I saw the thumbnail. I both love and hate this time period so much. You should make the trams have giant ads on them and be different colors indicating that they're bought secondhand.
Also graffiti on trains and decay along the tracks.
Incredible work. I came for the city, and stayed for the story.
The Eurotel ad from Slovakia at 4:40 was advertising mobile phones for only 555% of the average monthly salary (7195 SKK in 1995) as a "bargain". I knew that only the "entrepreneurs" used to have mobile phones in those years, but seeing the actual price is mind-blowing.
Yes love the Vita Cola ad. Little fun fact the state of Thuringia in Germany is the only state of all of Germany where coca Cola isn't the market leader for soft drinks. Instead the lokal vita cola is.
(little edit: I apologize for any grammatical or other mistakes I made
Ich glaube an Vita Cola supremacy!
Bin Hesse und würde Vita Cola saufen bis ich umfalle, aber die krieg ich so selten :(
vita cola ballert
VITA COLA ULTRAS!!!
@@timowagner1329 Auf ihrer Website haben die nen Marktfinder - West. Da gibst du einfach deine PLZ ein und den Suchradius und da wird angezeigt, wo Vita COla verkauft wird.
That EXACTLY how it went in my city in the '90s even the fountain drain up that was refurbished in 2010s
I don’t know about other countries, but in Russia in the 90s it was very common to convert old factories into shopping centers. They still exist here and there are a lot of them)
I'd have thought for the first thing to happen is massive de-industralisation. Since this is inspired by central europe I might mention this is what happened in East Germany. Due to the sudden privatisation tons of assets and firms that simply were never given a chance to compete were bought up, disbanded leading to massive unemployment and empty, abandoned factories. You can still see the remants of this in many saxon cities like Leipzig and Chemnitz. It didn't help many people left the region and that people from the east ended up severely unrepresented.
Meanwhile if one believes the accounts of people that grew up in the GDR, they'd tell you that in cities there were far more lively during GDR times. There weren't malls or department stores but massive amounts of small shops and businesses that all went bankrupt post-reunification, with the demographic drain only worsening it.
The ads and urban decay part of the video was one of my favorite segments from altengrad
heck yeah new decade
happy ahh comment
love to see it
22:17 In the 90, eastern europe bought alot of the western busses, like the O305 or O405, or SL200 by MAN or the SL202. But some Ikarus Busses lastet until the 2010er years, so, yeah. Hope that I could help you with that. Also, the more richer citys brought the citaro series early on from 1997. And even Ikarus made some Low Floor Busses, wich are big in Budapest. Like die 411 or 412. You can really everything in the 90, but until 1999 the O405 Series were produced. Its a huge theme. But I really like the start in the 90. I look forwarts to see the city drowning in commerce :D
Big city in Russia. 280s were in municipal work until 2021. Private companies use VÖV Gen II (O405) and even Gen I on far urban routes (to distant neighbourhoods and villages)
I can only use whats in the workshop, I'm not producing the models.
@@Akruas I know, I looked it up, there are some O405 in the Workshop, the 1997 is also in the Workshop and even the O305. It was just an idea, thought mabye you want varation :D
Wouldbe pretty cool if your Tatra trams become colourful and wrapped with commercials due to the capitalism! 😃
Es freut mich, dass auch du die Entwicklung Altengrads verfolgst! Einfach genial, die Verbindung von Videospiel und Faktenwissen, welches vermittelt wird.
Nice touch for $2.20 at 10:22 - his love of billboards really shaped the CS experience
This is definitely the coolest CS series.
It is not much related to topic of this episode, but it would be nice to have some bussy tram stop with four tracks, like in Brno or Liepzig before main train station
25:00 you could make a water retention pond next to the interchange, all that surface parking would most likely require one
Perhaps the most interesting thing is the construction of the city. I'll be glad to see the continuation of the era.
My favorite CS series, I don’t believe I actually watched 90 episodes of the same city!! Hungry for a 100 more lol
internet cafe in 91?? europe really had a head start, we didn't get those in latin america until like 99
love this series btw and the whole channel, watching you customize and detail everything is mind blowing to me it's like watching a magic show
This does not need to be 91 16:48
Those half-empty parking lots are still realistic today.
Also, there was a beautiful new shopping center built in the early 90s (maybe at the end of the 80s) in Pécs, Hungary. Apparently a lot of people were coming from Yugoslavia to shop there. Then the building got abandoned in the 2000s and finally burned down. Today only the parking lot remains, but Google's 3D map still has it, so if you're interested in some unique architecture go check it out, it was on the Fellbach street.
If you could do a little bit of adapting the old parts of the city on the beginning of each video, adding shops on a first floor here, adding more graffiti there, covering everything with ads there, we could have the whole city "90'sfied" by the end of this part instead of the 90's feel being mostly focused in the new areas. I really like these many small revisiting of places you built before, really gets the point across that this is an evolving diorama. I feel that the presence of graffiti and ads really gives you a way of making this distinction of passage of time everywhere, and maybe by doing it in small steps it could become manageble
You never cease to amaze me. Incredible stuff. I'm all here for the decay and grunge of the 90s!
I dont know, how it was in the other countries but in East Germany the public transport providers baught western busses basicly directly after the borders opened, even if they were up to 20 years old. With personal cars it was nearly the same
Can't wait for some Solaris buses 😁
No "Test the West" ads? What about the constant construction? My parents remember all the streets in Leipzig being dug up to put in phone lines in the 90s.
Amen to the construction/roadworks, my dad remembers them finding an old soldiers' cemetery with a bunch of exposed coffins under Gedimino pr. in Vilnius when changing the cobblestone back then. My mum also found a Russian Empire-era penny at another roadworks site haha
always great I hope this series lasts longer in the 90s. it's the most interesting decade for the theme
My headcannon is Altengrad is the capital city of an independent Lusatia in an alternate timeline where the Lusatian people had more autonomy and finally gained independence in 1914. A mix of Czech and German languages all over the city kinda-sorta fits, so I'm super happy :D
i hope that we will also see some new trams (something like GT6, RT6N1 or T6A5) running on the altengrad tracks in the late 90s!!! but dont be too quick because there were a lot of problems with funding in the public transport sector.
Must be in the workshop and must look good.
In Russia, there was recently McDonalds promotion commemorating 30 years of operation here, when memorial coins were gifted with large orders. Just a year later the company left Russia and was replaced with national restaurant company. The media got huge coverage of its opening at the place of first McDonalds original location
Was not expecting it this early. Thank you!
First climpse of this episode: It is getting dirty (regarding graffiti, "food" and modern adds) - one of the most strucking features were those annoying add boards, plastering everything, ruining so much; I still hate those things so much.
About Ikarus 280 buses used by Altengrad bus company they will be perfectly fine in your videos to appear as they remained in production until 2002. So basically you can keep them around almost even to present era. Maybe mix them later with some newer models. I would like especially to see gradual switch to Solaris buses as effectively this particular brand replaced most of Icarus buses in the V4 countries as main go to bus brand. By the way does Altengrad have some dedicated bus autority? I mean something like Warsaw ZTM.
I actually have an idea to capitalize on the 90s thing even further - what if you would actually place some luxury cars brand dealer somewhere in Altengrad? I dunno, I could see something like a Porsche dealer being an actual atelier kinda place :D
Also, do you plan to touch the topic of the large trading places/flea markets on stuff like parking lots, bus loops etc? Would be kinda cool to have that mess of a cyclical event there with people selling everything - from random small things to even cars.
Oh, and not to mention stuff like peep shows :D
I love your video about Altengrad
..and now this series gets even more interesting. I love your work on it, great job!
There are combined malls with railway like Wilenska in Warsaw. Of course, there could be more examples. Nice build ❤
Interesting, any idea when it was built?
2002 for the mall , the station was way older.
Awesome video as always, please keep them coming! You really deserve more views, this series is on another level.
We really need to make this an alternate history
this looks exactly as i remember going to auchan hypermarkets
IKEA opened the first store in Prague in 1991, so not exactly later in the mid 90'. Just a little nitpick.
As part of DBK, not its own building.
konečně máme v altengradu velké tesco 😼😼😼
musím poznamenat, že TESCO LOTUS byla značka používaná v jihovýchodní asii - podle toho ta budova taky vypadá, bude zřejmě inspirovaná nějakým hypermarketem v thajsku, v česku se takové věci nestavěly. a jako hobbymarket by vedle tesca bylo realističtější obi, bauhaus obecně do společných projektů s hypermarkety nechodí (ale chápu, že je tohle je dáno tím, co za modely je dostupné ve workshopu :D)
Awesome as usual.
As the ads were put up, I have realised the most notable ones missing are political ads. They were just everywhere in the 90s, because there was no reguation to remove them, so some central locations had these ads on ads, the lower layers from 4+ years ago.
The notorious Fidesz of Hungary actually had some really nice ones back then that wouldn't need translation to work either. They would really represent the time. Just an idea.
22:10 awww gee thanks 😊
Wooooo!!!! an new episode! keep it up.
Moc pěkný video 🔥
Saw a nice European city being made and now I am here for an awesome story
Ik this is just Visegrad but it so reminds me of the Yugoslav situation, without the war and bombs of course, beautiful series of course and made me learn a lot about the situation with the Visegrad countries and in general the eastern block
Believe me when I say that places like these we're not common across CE countries until mid 2000's. I remember my trips to visit my mom who was working and living in west Germany, visiting massive malls and stores like Bauhaus in particular, being amazed by the sheer scale and assortment inside. Meanwhile in my relatively medium sized city in eastern Poland we had only local markets, small department stores etc. Stores like these, and big complexes like these were only present in the biggest of cities where it made total sense for a company to set up first. Only around 2008-9 did Tesco build it's hypermarket in our town, the only big store for miles. Only after 2010s did the first proper mall got opened in my city. Soon after that two other "big box" department stores got build, following by a couple of Lidl's, a Kaufland, Carrefour etc. While representing a step in gaining freedom, places like what you've build are just a drop in the long treacherous journey through 90's and early 2000s
These bigbox stores flooded Czechia very quicky after 1989. Bauhaus came in 1993, OBI followed in 1995 and Hornbach in 1998. InterSpar came in 1991 and already in 1992 had a giant logistics center in v Sušice and in 1996 established giant cash-and-carry hypermarkets in České Budějovice and then Brno. MAKRO came in 1991, Edeka came in 1992. Globus and Tesco came in 1996, with the latter taking over existing K-Mart stores and then opened their first Hypermarket in 1998 in Prague's Zličín. Carrefour came in 1998 as did Kaufland. Penny came in 1997. Czechia in general was the first post-Socialist country these companies expanded to.
That is because eastern Poland was and is lacking behind. In the south of Poland we had these things in the 90s already
@@tempestosfugi9846 yeah, literally what im saying. There are more bigger cities in the west and south, while in the east it was a really slow process. Also take into account that most smaller cities also didn't have such things. Just because there is more bigger cities, doesn't mean that the smaller ones didn't get the fate my one did
great video man
My mom told me that during her final class at school she was clubbing in city park with her classmates while tanks were in the streets because of GKCHP coup😅
Wake up babe new altengrad era appeared
one transformation thing I vividly remember from early 90s in poland is all the neon signs from the communist era slowly going defunct. Even in my small town there were several neon business signs, there was one on top of the bank, this large coin, I always loved it and was sad when it finally went dark
Finally 90s ❤️❤️❤️
Exactly what I was hoping to see - that giant hipermarket at the outskirts of the city and McDonald's.
I still hope to see that idea of demolishing some of the historical buildings in the city centre to put that ugly and modern shopping mall.
For the Czech context at least, historic buildings were not really demolished for shopping malls in the 90s - instead brownfields were redeveloped and often incorporated facadism - i.e. Nový Smíchov and Palladium used the street facing facades of the prior factories and barracks in their designs. Most of the historic demolishing happened in the earlier period - e.g. the various Priors especially the one in Jihlava, the Dům potravin in Brno, the Máj and Kotva in Prague were all built in the 1970s-80s.
@@serebii666 and in my area in Poland we have just that one example in the city of Jelenia Góra, in which at crossroads of Długa (Long Street) and Krótka (Short Street) they built that modern shopping mall. Good thing it was built to the height of the nearby buildings, but that never fully fit to the old town area. But nowadays the building is pretty much abandoned, and people are charge are not really such what to do with it now.
@@NicolasDominique If it is the "Dom Handlowy" I see on Google Maps, that is not a new building, but a reconstruction of an older building (probably from around 1900 based on the Historicist details with some ascendant Secessionist motifs) and adaptation. The ornament of the chambranles and cornices in the upper levels remains intact, they just put a post-modernist curtain wall at the corner. You can further tell from the aerial photo, that the building has the same volume in depth as the other historic surrounding structures.
Edit: I found the building is originally from 1896, built as a department store - the Kaufhaus Georg Pinoff, later Kaufhaus - Hava, Jaś and Małgosia. and even later still Dom towarowy (dawny Dom Dziecka).
Welcome to the 90s, CAPITIALISM!
YESSSS
очень больно было смотреть на то, во что превращается центр города, но, к сожалению, всё так и было в 1991 году 😭
The new series has already begun, but the text in the new intro looks different.
Font changes every decade.
How do you get rid of the height differences of some of these intersection nodes where the curbless roads meet regular roads? (For Example at 17:58, the intersection behind the Node Controller window).
These vertical gaps between the roads really bother me in my personal city and I can´t figure out how to get rid of them.
Look for a special asphalt prop intended for exactly this in the Ploppable Asphalt mod
I wonder what is currently the max poppulation of altengrad
I notice when you're making the parking lots, some of the roads have that weird alignment issue where one texture is higher than the other and it forms that weird triangle cliff - I have this issue in some of my cities, and I was wondering how you fixed it since you seem to have it corrected by the end of the vid? Great episode, btw!
You should upgrade the football stadium, it’s been the same since the 50’s.
As always geat job 😍 follow you since Ep 1! I have a question (probably you already explained it and i lost it): what happened to the castle during comunism? In Altengrad and in real life i mean. Thank you in advance if you will take time to explain.
I saw modern Scania trucks 😅
1:54 My teacher worked there, but on day of the filming he wasnt there.
3:15 McDondald's? ;D
That parking lot is capitalism paradise
Are you also updating the trains? Because there is some great 90s East German trains by REV0 and Hades Moon
nice
Public petition to turn a Warehouse/Powerplant into an exclusive Tekno Nightclub ala Berghain
*MAKE ALTHAUS HAPPEN*
Yay new episode! I came a little
yippieee
Could you do a airport? Maybe this is something important you already didn't
Why's the tank pink?
Here is the lore behind it ;)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_Soviet_Tank_Crews
Have you considered building an airport for Altengrad?
No airport
@@Akruas damn :l
Understandable tho
@@Akruas But where will Rammstein/Coldplay/U2 hold their concert then? 🥺🥺
@@serebii666 they can busk in front of the *McDondald's*
Maybe a small cbd center like Tallin Estonia
Niiice
👍
will you ever build skyscrapers in Altengrad?
I think some of the taller tower blocks already in Altengrad count as skyscrapers. No modern ones yet but that will come in the later 90s and on.
ah yes, McDondald's😅
MacDondald’s
😍
Are you planning to add more McDonalds in the future?
will Altengrad get an Airport?
Hello !
8:41/8:42
(What a bad start.)
Public Referendum: remove the new Palace of oppression and rebuilt the old palace of parliament!
I Vote Yes.
Yes! But I think it will be more realistic to build it in the 2000s. Like the Berlin Palace reconstruction.
I support this!
But the new gov doesn't have the money or political will to push that through
Far too early for that. These former Eastern-Bloc countries were broke as hell in the 90s and such an unnecessary project would never have been even considered back then.
Tesco/10
It's so interesting how each times saw the former times' buildings as ugly only for their architecture to be seen as such by the following times. Can't wait for you to show the current housing market crisis as well as patodeweloperka
When is cities skylines 2 coming to xbox
Yes!!! Capitalism!!! 😅
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great series.. shame it's coming to an end
It's not?
It's....not, though. You're thinking of Asturis.
Shouldn't you soon be running into the game's node limit?
I think that scale (178K people by now) should still be safely under the limits.
@@petrhajduk9955 It's not about the population. He's using an insane amount of nodes with all the detail.
Very nice scenes, although I'm not sure if this McDonalads would be period correct. If I remember correctly Big M had quite strict franshisee rules back in the day, that confined them to the lone standing buling in a parrking lot layout. I don#t think, that urban McDonals appeared till some point in the 2010, when they also introducced the MC Café to attract more pedestrian customers.
18:13 picture
That literally doesn't make any sense, especially from the perspective of limiting limiting the clientele to people who have cars and would need to travel out of the city to get a burger. All of the first McDonalds' in the V4 were put right into the city center, in previously existing commercial spaces.