Hardest thing I ever did in Destiny was the black spindle mission when we just kept trying to melt the boss and then tidy up as 12 months of Destiny taught us thats how you do it. Eventually changed strats and then my mate and I used to run Kinderguardians through it for fun.
Imagine running down a dark, mysterious hallway. Out of no where *bam* trap doors open and your entire team is seperated into 6 different rooms. You have to find a way to get back to one another by completing a series of tasks. But these tasks are intertwined. Some one in one room triggers adds in another room. Killing those adds triggers a mini boss in a different room. You have to coordinate through communication to come up with optimal conditions in order to clear each room, and to find your way back to one another. If one of you fails, each room starts to wipe one by one until you all perish. UNLESS, you can stop the impending death by solving your rooms mystery; which is harder without having another guardian alive in the other room. Will you last? Can you save your team from wiping at this crucial moment? All have died except for you, Gaurdian. The clutches that are your hands squeeze the controller harder as your sweat makes it increasingly difficult for you to grasp it. Succeed or perish. These are you options. You have 2 days. The "2 days" thing is irrelevant. But all of the best stories give ultimatums so I thought I would try it.
Victor Escalante Also knows as: Rocket mcfuckface. Him on year one nightfall with solar burn was terrifying. (Took me longer than most to get gjallahorn).
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
I never expected ghaul to be the boss.....simply because they want people who can't complete the raid feel like they did something and no,I'm not one of them
the beasts are difficult because it requires 3 degrees of communication. 1 for the person leading on the ground through the dogs, 1 for the prism holders to warn the dogs presence and kill the handlers, and 1 for each player to find and kill their respective dog while keeping track of time. For an experienced team of friends with set roles its easy, but for 6 randoms that dont know each other and maybe dont have call outs or even know the mechanic, its a nightmare :) Sweet vid datto Edit: I have beaten the raid and have a team, but my first attempt was lfg players so this was my experience. Thanks to those leaving tips but i am just answering in response to datto wondering what lfg was like
Blakearious Gaming I think another reason is a lot of people don't know how to traverse on ground. Like which route is best to take from one spore to the next. Beast paths as well. Even then you can do Vault of Glass right now and consistently wipe in the Gorgon maze with some lfg groups. Maybe it's people not caring to be careful? Or they don't bother to learn the mechanics of the beasts and just watch guides without ever learning from experience and expect to complete the encounter just because they watched a video. With a well communicated group the only issue would be learning routes.
I've found that killing all the adds and then giving everyone 5 minutes to walk around the gardens really helps. I did this to get a better idea of where to go thus I can lead a group. I think one issue is stragglers or a beast handler being killed which can lead to a beast being spooked and happening upon your group.
Our group didn't have many problems with the Gardens. We didn't need 3 levels of communication though. Basically just a leader on the ground, who understood the beast-pathing. And the prism holders would just say where they saw flowers at, to give the leader options. "We have one flower near... other flower is caves." Then the leader on the ground would just say "Ok, were going caves" and everyone just worked as a unit. Really cut down on unnecessary coms. You don't need to know where the dogs are too much if you understand their pathing, aside from really basic callouts.
Ill let you in on a secret. Get 4 spores and kill all the dogs first phase. So easy that way!!! 1 person per dog just blow all your specials and nades ext. I did it at light lvl 270. Just plan on putting your high damage players next to your low damage players so they can help when they finish there dogs.
The loot kind of bothered me. Trials is so much more rewarding, in less time, even if you don’t go flawless. The only loot that brought me up was the one drop from Calus and one extremely lucky drop from dogs. I wish that benedict would drop higher loot.
just go find the chests underground and u lock them with the keys you get. guaranteed to get at least 1 exotic and all the raid gear you can ask for. The chests reward you well. You do the encounters for the keys hence why the individual encounters can be completed so quickly
Fortunately, the loot is something that can be tweaked a bit easier than encounter design, which is why I didn't talk about it as much. I agree though.
this is for your "what's the lfg experience like?" i hope you have a warm cup of coffee, because this is going to be a read. in general, really great. there are a lot of competent, patient people online if you know how to look for the right groups. i actually found my clan using lfg. but that's boring, you probably want to know the bad parts. for every part of the raid, one weak person can wreck it all. *in general*: a weak player often doesn't speak much, have poor communication abilities and weak weapons. the lack in communication is usually a big part of it, since they never say they need help or ask a question to clarify something they don't understand. either they're slow learners or just can't learn something, we don't know. we try to sherpa as much as we can, a weak player needs to put in at least some effort to learn mechanics. *dogs*: if a weak person uses a crystal, they can be slow on calling flowers, not know how to call flowers or call the wrong flower entirely. this includes a quick sync to each other's strategies so everyone knows what's happening. i don't know if a weak person just doesn't listen or if they just get confused easily. they also often forget to get the sniper or beast handlers. since you can't even melee if you're carrying a spore, you're caught with your pants down and anything you do will begin to attract a nearby dog. if they're sneaking, a weak person (somehow always) is the last person to a flower. they lag behind the rest of the team, either getting caught or forcing the team to wait for them in order to get a +12 buff, which could get the rest of the team caught. lastly, during damage phases, a weak player often doesn't have a good weapon like the warlock sword or merciless, and can't kill their dog quick enough, forcing someone else to kill their dog quicker to help them out. *gauntlet*: this one really got my team because this part is frustratingly easy. a weak player can't distinguish between voices. for example, a weak player is assigned to shoot the bottom plate between two sections. if the person who calls YOUR plates says "middle" for example and the other runner calls "bottom", they'll think they're supposed to shoot the middle plate. this obviously both kills runners and spawns the purple psions, forcing the rest of the team to pay attention for the weak player's mistakes. basically, you have to hope to get lucky that the runners call the same call, or a call that would make the weak player shoot the right plate regardless (e.g. if they're shooting bottom, a middle or top call would let them shoot the right plate). given how you only need three people to finish at the end, it doesn't matter if they die immediately while running. *baths*: they can't kill their bather and never stand on the plate. for some reason, even if they have merciless or anything, they just can't kill their bathers and get murdered immediately. my clanmate made a joke that he'd see his chain move up 2 inches and immediately hear "guardian down" without fail when we tried to carry a weak player. obviously this means the side they're on is behind, and can even wipe the team if they're playing catch up for long enough. *calus*: inside, they can't kill the psions for some reason and get knocked over the barrier. i don't know if it's because they're confused about needing to shoot the psions in the bubbles or the psions on the ground, but they just can't. they also NEVER look to see if there's a hole, and usually fall into one. it got to a point where i needed to tell someone exactly where to stand for them to survive, knocking me out of killing psions for a few seconds, leaving one guy left to shoot. thankfully he was good with a grenade launcher and was able to take out the bubble psions immediately. outside, they die. constantly. i'm usually on the inside during this encounter so i don't know firsthand, but from what clanmates tell me, they just hang in the back not killing adds but somehow keep dying. they also apparently get confused during calls and either melee the wrong psion or don't even try to melee them in the first place, leaving the other two trying to get to the psion they need to melee while also focusing on adds. whew, that was a lot, but i've helped sherpa on lfg sites relatively often both in d1 and d2. 99% of people are quick learners. they're just new and don't know the mechanics yet. once they realize how easy it is they're more or less perfectly fine. but every now and then you get that 1% guy who somehow turns the gauntlet into a 3 hour experience.
Da Vi I’m definitely a weak player lmao. I have a hard time fully grasping the entire thing because I’m a visual person. So when someone’s telling me what to do before the encounter then go in expecting me to do it perfectly, i fuck up because I have no idea where the hell to go. Luckily I’ve been able to find people who were very understanding and patient but if it weren’t for them I wouldn’t raid at all.
I’ve Sherpad a weak player through encounters I had a good grasp of, and on my 2nd full Levi I sherpad a full team. 1 guy was new to the game, but luckily we all new each other from school and siblings except for the new guy, but he had played with some of us before. He was extremely nervous and felt like all wipes were on him. It took around 7 hours to do, but it was a well spent experience. I also just sherpad a few XGN Clan members last night, and very good experience. Took us a while, but we ended up beating the raid after around 5 hours. Very fun, interesting, and hard. We sadly had to 2 phase and almost died in the final stand due to bad load outs among the team, but we ended up clutching and beating the fool
The belly is a wasted opportunity IMO. They could've made it part of the exotic raid quest where you have to find parts, solve riddles etc. The best part about it is the exploration which has minimal replay value. Running through that every week to open chests for loot feels like a waste of time.
Justice Johnston The quest has not been beaten by Datto. The next step is to complete the raid on prestige difficulty, which hasn't come out yet. So there's no telling what you'll have to do.
We've gotten it a little higher even than that. The trick is to send in 4 people instead of three. Makes the outside tough, but a HUGE payoff if you do it. Once you get comfortable with the mechanics I highly recommend trying it, it's a blast!
LFG Pleasure Garden. Blind attempt aside, Issues the random groups I've been in have resulted from people not communicating (my beast is above half health, I need help killing it, etc) People not judging the wipe timer (not running back soon enough) Accidentally triggering the damage phase (usually the spore runners) Or not having enough DPS to kill their target (related to not communicating that they need help, (but help was from overleveled people, not everyone being 270 or something) ) Hope that was helpful, they seem like pretty common/obvious issues.
And the glitches like the dog literally being in the room with the spores or the people up top getting caught somehow or things like guys not killing their beast handler
Duncan McKay Yep, it took me more than 4 attempts to finish that on lfg, use the merciless fusion rifle and some void, solar or pulse nades and you should be ok
Rewatching this in 2021 while running Vault of Glass with my igneous hammer from trials of Osiris run by Saint 14 and my ignition code given to me by our fallen ally Mithrax…we’ve come along way 🥲
To fair, the only time the raid formula really changed, being King's Fall Oryx, people complained about how you couldn't really do that fight any faster
I think I would make much more sense if, when the 30 second revival timer runs out, that person can't be revived anymore; not the whole team gets wiped, it makes no sense
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I actually miss this raid now. I’m a PvPer and for me to say that really shows how much nostalgia I have with this one.
For the beast encounter the hardest part for newer players is their sense of direction while on the ground which leads to them not finding their own dog in time
WeskersPlayhouse Pretty much, this is my favorite raid (Haven’t played rise of iron) I like how team oriented it is and how different all Of the encounters are. They just need to fix the bugs, way too many
WeskersPlayhouse Pretty much, this is my favorite raid (Haven’t played rise of iron) I like how team oriented it is and how different all Of the encounters are. They just need to fix the bugs, way too many
Plus you have to remember its datto. You can’t really satisfy him and his “opinion” is what influences this community. I agree with you this raid felt good because it was was was well polished
1. Last Wish 2. Kings Fall 3. Wrath of the Machine 4. Spire of Stars 5. Garden of Salvation 6. Leviathan 7. Vault of Glass 8. Scourge of The Past 9. Crota’s End 10. Crown of Sorrow 11. Eater Of Worlds Updated list
@@INCNetski Last Wish King's Fall Vault of Glass Crota's End Spire of Stars Crown of Sorrow Garden of Salvation Scourge of the Past Wrath of the Machine Eater of Worlds Leviathan
@@INCNetski It's ultimately subjective but I favor Eater because I simply find the lair more enjoyable than Levi. Most of Levi is puzzle oriented with only a single boss. And Prestige Levi is horrifically glitchy once one gets to Calus, so that is something I take into account.
I recently went into a fresh raid with an LFG group and two of them where new to the raid. With some very patient explaining we where able to get through most of it very quickly. We had to stop at guantlet. As for dogs though, assigning everybody to a dog and have a set "leader" on the ground that knew the path and was very patient made it go very smoothly. It only took us like 30mins total for dogs. The problems I would run into in my main group is people fighting over who is leader and not being patient. They try to run and finish it faster and get sloppy and get caught.
Speaking from personal experience: I really love this raid. 1. The under belly(all the hidden passages) 2. The order of encounter changes every week. 3. It challenges you in different ways. 4. It's not just killing bosses. 5. I really like the colors/weapons/location. 6. I was able to find really good players in destinylfg.net(aside from a few assholes) 7. I agree with datto for the most part. 8. Some people will never be please, they just complain about every single thing. 9. Really hated the bugs and glitches.
Discovering the under belly for the first time with my team was the best. We had no idea about it and finding it was the best raid experience I've had so far. Just waiting for a 6th, jumping on some buttons and a door opening up gave me goosebumps
Lfg for pleasure garden was actually good for me, the team taught me a new strategy which worked amazing which I then taught my team and so on. Only problem is so many teams make different strategies and even though that is good, it gets hard when they don't wanna use the mainly and easy to use strategy and use their hard, complex one instead
I thought the Raid is dope. Looks nice and the mechanics actually test you. It is odd how Ghaul was very short lived and now Calus feels as if he has a heavier impact and interaction with the players.
In my experience with LFG groups the problems with the beast is one of two things, either people just wanting to one cycle it because they heard people can do that so they try to rush then throw a fit when they get caught, or the one dude who is always lagging behind doing something else while playing who always gets spotted right off the bat.
My biggest issue with this raid is the loot system. How can trials give 2-3 times more loot than the raid. I miss getting a piece of gear after an encounter and being able to instantly equipped it and use it. Putting a lot of work for little reward
Devil_Dog_ 97 u can unlock the chests underground. 3 chests will always drop at least 1 exotic. plus after every raid u get 33 tokens which can be swapped for raid gear as well. idk wtf ur complaining about, u want loot simply poured down your throat?
Think u need to learn reading comprehension skills. I am not complaining it is a criticism. I would rather have the loot drop in raid after encounters that is all. Not asking for more loot to drop overall. Man!!!! If you can't understand that then F off
The thing about the beast encounter is that it preys upon the worst propensities a guardian has. The way we did it initially (before realizing that 4 spores around a flower gave 12x), was to split up the gardens on a 50 yard line, and have two teams of three, which is basically how the other three encounters operated anyway. It was a little bit of a struggle to leave communications open to only the people required to relay information. Deciding who was in charge of what information is a struggle for every fireteam. The biggest problem, though, was patience. The royal beasts move dreadfully slowly. How many times in the Crucible, specifically Trials, does someone say, "sniper hardscoping that lane, just don't even peek. Like, at all. Just don't peek that lane." Player X then surreptitiously peeks the lane, and gets shot in the head, and the round is lost. There are so many times in this encounter where you need to wait for the beast to turn around, and everyone says, "Morn is right in front of you, don't move at all." And instead of not moving, someone in the fireteam can't stand still, and creeps around the pillar, and alerts one of the beasts. It's the opposite of everything we know as a Destiny player. We need to just stand still!
1. Vault of glass 2. Wrath of the Machine 3. King's fall 4. Crota's end 5. Arc burn prison of elders 6. Getting castrated with a butter knife 7. Leviathan
Nathan Enright why king's fall was and still is the buggiest destiny 1 raid by far. From a technical performance standpoint alone it has to be lower on the list. I've seen videos where the warpriest and golgoroth have respawned instantly after being killed. I've experienced oryx only teleporting four guys out of the shade phase and casting doxology on the others in hard mode. I've experienced oryx slamming his fist while the runner was on the ground causing the runner to get launched across the room to his death. Multiple times I've seen all 16 orbs detonated at the same time all while oryx is being damage by touch of malice only leading half damage. Even when king's balls doesn't glitch, it's too long and tedious. Plus it has by far the worst raid loot in destiny 1. The machine gun and the sniper were the only good pieces of loot. Maybe from a pure mechanical point of view I could agree with you on king's balls but as an overall package I think it's the worst raid in destiny 1 and the second worst raid bungie has ever made ahead of only leviathan
For me what I noticed when I went through the Beast section with different groups is that the thing that gets us is the communication between the person leaving the ground group and the guys on top shooting the beams. The guys on top can be slow to the relay information and sometimes they could cost us precious time in running to the correct flowers so that we can get the buff. Sometimes they take too long and we only end up with maybe 24/36 before the Beast start getting restless. Also sometimes the people on top end up being spotted by the beasts and we have to wipe and start over. Over if you have good communication between the group leader at the bottom and the people on top and we all move efficiently we can get at least 48 - 60 stacks. Lastly the other thing that gets us is whenever the beasts grow Restless people be forgetting their assigned spots for their dog and that can cause an issue later on during the burn phases. Though if people do get to their assigned spots they tend to stay longer trying to kill their dogs then what they need to and take too long to get to the safe room and then they end up dying right as they get to it
It felt like an arena as opposed to the other raids which flowed smoothly. Another boss would be nice but the loot is another big issue. I miss engrams dropping instead of having to go to a vendor to spend tokens! Overall better than crota but thats it imo.
@Datto I think what makes the Garden segment hard for LFGers (beyond the obvious stealth and communication aspects) is that it's open to completing using different strategies/philosophies that clash; i.e. you can try to build stacks up to x48-x60 and then go for the kills, or you can try doing x24-x36 stacks and whittling down the health of the dogs. You can choose to leave dogs alive which gives the team more sneaking time, or kill the dogs which lessens time but makes sneaking easier. Both philosophies work, but if the team isn't on the same page then all fails.
I think Bungie should add Legacy Raids. A whole playlist dedicated to just being able to play every Destiny 1 raid at current power levels, mostly for fun with maybe only cosmetic items added as rewards nothing to huge.
Brody Rodriguez And that is the worst part of Destiny as a franchise, it plays like an "mmo", but doesn't have all the important GOOD parts of an "mmo". The game has no text chat, 3 set emotes and 1 custom, no rewarding character progression, all 3 classes feel the same, and the most important issue THEY SEPERATE CONTENT WITH DIFFERENT GAME RELEASES. So now D2 players have less content to play with than D1, but the gameplay is the exact same so you are literatly getting a 60$ story mode with minor tweaks here ad there and less customization options.
Beasts has been for our group due to two issues specifically. Beasts spawning inside the safe room, and beast seeing the prism holders up top as they move between locations (right side especially as only one sun spot is optimal for not being seen and taking care of beast tamers that spawn after each flower is shot). Aside that, the beasts aren't difficult to kill.
Every group I have been in struggles with the Shadow Room on Calus. Mostly because you can't make a mistake in there or the whole raid dies. Seems a little too harsh for the normal mode of the raid. I have been in 6 different groups and have yet to beat Calus. 4 couldnt even get to the damage phase. Any advice is appreciated.
Jace M make sure your group is calling out the symbols in a specific order (i.e. person 1 person 2 person 3) and you shouldn't ever have to deal with people talking over each other. make sure that you assign each person a spot in the void (left middle right) and base your callouts on that order (left to right, person 1 on left and person 3 on right and person 2 in the middle etc). also the normal three psions that spawn are attributed to side, so left guy kills the left psion and so on. for the purple psions just pay attention and shoot whichever one is closest to you; i was on left and killed the left one and the others shot the right one. finally make sure you pay attention to the environment between symbol phases so you don't go off a ramp and die because of it. the skull part is pretty easy, but if you're dying because of it i suggest a titan wall or bubble. good luck nonetheless.
Just keep at it man. Try and get a team together when you have a lot of time to spend on attempts because the longer you and your team try that phase the better your teammates will get at it and the easier it will be to beat. I agree that the whole dying in the shadow room and causing a wipe is a bit harsh but it's not impossible. Maybe when you get teleported have 2 people focus on killing little psions as fast as possible and one focus on killing the projections? That worked for us. Also just make sure you and your teammates are VERY careful when you're being pulled to the next barrier because even the smallest little ramp can launch you over the wall, and the more time you get teleported the more holes appear in the ground. Lastly when the people in the shadow room get to the skull shooting part have the 3 people still in the throne room wait as long as possible before they take out Calus's overshield. The longer they wait the more skulls the other group can shoot and the more damage you will do overall.
For me, stupid stuff happens like the wall will disappear or people will hit a tiny bump and go flying over the wall. I personally think they should make the void wall a little taller and make the psions less likely to do their grenade attack as soon as they spawn.
The normal psions tend to hide behind ramps or obstacles on the left and right. We have found it beneficial to crossfire. Left guy shoots right psion, middle shoots middle psion, right shoots left psion. Everyone should have a good clear line of sight to those psions. use a scout or hand cannon that can 1 or 2 shot psions. They spawn in the same location every time so after you try it a few times you should be able to have your crosshairs waiting where they spawn. Also focus normal psions first then the projections.
I almost always end up LFGing the raids, maybe one day I'll have a clan but it is not this day. The beast mode encounter is especially difficult, because it requires the people on the ground to completely surrender themselves to the guidance of the Prism holders. The first time I did it we went in blind and it was an absolute mess, serious lack of communication, no one was the clear-cut leader, and everyone was talking over each other like a bunch of boneheads. We didn't finish, I left salty, and it was unfortunate. The second time, after watching your video actually, I knew exactly what needed to be done and the team I jumped to didn't, so I got to become the team leader. We did a dry run so everyone knew exactly where their dogs were, and I think this was absolutely crucial. I and my partner were up top calling stuff out and everyone on the ground stayed quiet. We took it very seriously, and for that reason we were rewarded. This is not an encounter you can goof around in. Everyone needs to be on the same page, and on the occasion you jump into a group with that same mindset, you really shouldn't have any problems, and that clear feels damn good. To sum it up, I think there is one thing central to the dogs encounter, and that is leadership. When you have one person who is the undisputed leader of the team, and the rest of the players treat it as such and listen to him when he has something to say, the raid will be awesome. However, if your team is a disgruntled mess, you're gonna have a bad time bro. So yes, LFG can work, but you have to find the right team.
It sounds like when this gets to pc I'm going to spend more time looking at the scenery and architecture rather than the actual gameplay. Sounds pretty bland and samey from this (as an avid D1 player). Edit: Saying that it sounds like Bungie could be getting there (hopefully) with the raid formula overall. From what I've heard, my only gripes seem to be the gear not having raid specific bonuses, that you can get the gear without even playing it (through clans), the limited revive thing sounds a bit dodgy from Datto's description, and the complaints people were having with getting loot, and the raid chests, and only having keys for a week,or whatever that mess is. Also for those of you that have played through it, are there shaders? Is there only one (with presumably a second coming in hard mode)? And what's the drop rate like on them, and gear in general for that matter?
Sam Harrington You get 4 of the shader once a week. They have the same palette as the raid gear. And no, it's at least 3 of your clan members in one completion to get the raid engram.
I completed the raid twice so far, once each week it has been out. I have gotten a full set of raid armor, the rocket launcher three times, the energy pulse rifle, and the kinetic auto rifle. I've gotten the raid shader 8 times. I've also gotten 3 exotic engrams out of the chests in the bottom over the two weeks
The gear drops are basically nonexistent. All you get are stupid tokens to give to the raid vendor; which doesn't even unlock until you've beaten the entire raid. This is the worst part. It makes the entire thing feel pointless. Unlike Destiny 1 when you beat a boss and got 1-2 GUARANTEED drops that were ALWAYS higher light level than you were. I miss the 5 min show and tell after each encounter of a new raid where everyone saying, "Hey look at my badass armor/weapon I just got."
My problem with this raid is that I feel like I'm getting shafted out of loot. The only way I was able to get loot was from the unexciting event of turning in tokens (as if it was like earning regular loot in the game) or by wading into this stupidly complex maze that requires more than one person to decipher. Wow! How exciting! You know what else required more than one person to get exciting loot? The raid encounters themselves that we just did! Why Bungie is tripping all over themselves to put unnecessary barriers between me and my rewards?
I'm glad you asked about the garden encounter with lfg. My clan members already had 6 people for the raid launch so I decided to go on lfg. What I found was that it just requires good communication and like you mentioned the clutch factor is kinda ruined it's hard to "carry" or help people do their jobs if they mess up. When I did this with my clan the next day the garden became the easiest part of the raid because we had that communication.
Very disappointed in this one. The lack of context for one thing. Basically, if you didn't buy the collector's edition, you miss out on 95% of the lore set up -- because that lore is not in the game. For the average player, Callus is barely a footnote of the story ... and inexplicably shows up to be our final PvE raid. It all feels very disconnected from the story and the major conflict presented in the campaign. The lack of bosses is also disappointing as there's something cathartic about shooting a giant enemy until it explodes in a shower of loot. That's why games have bosses; that's why almost all raids have raid bosses. We like to see a big-bad-whatever and we feel empowered when we stomp it into the dirt. A puzzle doesn't really give you that.
Did you feel that annoyed with the first raid? TBH, like Datto says, and if you get the quest for Acrius, you can kinda figure out that "Hey something, or someone is coming". The only thing the LE/CE added was a book that was like "Hi, I'm the Cabal Emperor, I'm on the Leviathan, and I'm currently fucking pissed because Ghaul and his ugly friend kicked me out". And it shows a bunch of named Cabal.. .That we never meet.
What I love the Leviathan raid is that there is no specific weapon that we have to use. In King's fall, Sniper + machine gun and Touch of Malice were almost mandatory. So there were no variation to use different weapons. I'm happy that I can use full auto shotgun, fusion rifle, submachine gun..etc in the raid.
1. King's Fall 👑 2. Vault Of Glass 🔍 3. Leviathan 🎉 4. Wrath Of The Machine 👾 5. Crota 🐖 REMEMBER THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, YOU DONT HAVE TO AGREE. PLS NO HATE
I really enjoyed King's Fall. Running Relic, or being a center Titan were my favorites. The expanse of VOG was incredible. Crota was ok... WTOM was super fun. I enjoyed the empowerments and jumping on the back of a giant robot spider. LOL
I think the problem with the beast encounter is members not familiar with each other becoming impatient. It takes a while to learn the best routes to get around and get the most stacks you can get to do the best damage, as soon as a member of the team on the ground could lead everyone else around to the best of their ability, the encounter became much easier
Raid Order for me is: WoTM VoG Leviathan Crota KF I put KF last only because they never fixed Golgoroth, but you could make a case for Crota being last due to its brevity.
I have done the beast encounter with an lfg group. For me, it was that fact that people didn't know what to do, or because it was an lfg group, there were no specific roles. Once you get those roles down and you know how you want to do it with your group, it gets MUCH easier.
Ryuji Sakamoto Is Hot AF tell me what's fun during the atheon fight, standing in one spot and unload on his crit spot or the part that comes before the damage phase? I personally like mechanics over just standing in one spot and doing DPS but that's just me.
Swole_Monkey people expect raids to be like WoW. Literally 5+ bosses. I don't understand how it's bad since Crota's end has one boss, VOG and WOTM have 2 bosses. Could argue that deathsinger is a boss but then that would make the beasts "a" boss.
One thing I love about this raid that no one seems to be mentioning is that they give it a lore reason for you to be able to keep doing it, with the other raids somehow oryx or Aksis kept coming back even though you killed them fifty times, in this one you find out that Calus is a robot, so it doesn't matter how many times you kill him, it still makes sense that you do it
Hey Datto. My blind raid was with a full LFG team. Only two people in our group knew each other, everyone else including me was a stranger. We struggled for somewhere around 3-4 hours on the beasts, around 2 and a half of which were spent knowing what to do, but just being unable to do it. We struggled on the beasts because we tried to focus each beast one at a time for a long while, which made the timer for how long we could be out go down, which made things tight and we often couldn't close the gap. After we decided to split up and do each beast simultaneously we still struggled for a solid hour or two because we just couldn't sneak around well enough. The problem was almost always getting spotted by the dogs and not getting enough stacks of the damage modifier to do enough damage. I have the entirety of my first blind raid recorded. So if you want to see first hand what it was like for us, I can upload that and shoot you a link. And don't worry the footage isn't 240p.
I think the main thing that screws up the beast is that not a lot of people know how to lead the group as the majority of players are used to just following. If you do end up finding someone who knows how to lead, then it is not a problem.
1.VOG 2.wrath of the machines 3.kings fall 4.crota Haven't played leviathan yet but I'll probably enjoy it more the kings fall I fucking hated kings fall
Evan Pate I hated king's balls too but after killing calus for the first time I would rather play king's balls hard mode with all challenges active in an lfg group than ever touch leviathan again. The loot system is also far worse with the raid gear not even giving raid specific benefits
I day 1 raided with a group who finished beasts about 30minutes behind Fruit and his team. What our struggle was had to do with only the timing of things. After you understood the mechanics and how to navigate the map, which albeit took a long time, it was the timing of the howls. How long until the dog's grow restless/start their howl, how long can you DPS, each phase of beasts is a time limit that isn't displayed, and killing a beast shortens that limit by some number (that matters much less now as you can 1 cycle it). The maze of flowers is whatever as they are on a set rotation, and the dogs path is simple so it's just a memory thing.
Some people are being a little dramatic. Crota was way worse than this raid. Sure it was cool but it was soooo easy. At least this raid has danger in it and that I like. BUT I will say that there should have been more BOSS fights. I think baths are cool, gauntlet is neat but pleasure gardens are god awful. So keep cool stuff and get rid of bad stuff. End discussion
It doesn't even require that much coordination, it just requires patience. I think people feel pressured to get the stacks super quick out the gate but you have so much time to go around and carefully collect at least x60, which is more than enough for even potato players to solo their dog.
What I've found about the dogs is that if you assign dogs. Everyone runs to the dogs in random groups does damage you just take it slow. Use all three turns and it ends up being very simple. When fire teams rush and try to kill them all like you would with your clan in one phase. It generally ends poorly with randoms
Our team struggled with the layout of the Beast Garden, keeping in mind it was many of our team's first time. We were assigned beasts to kill on the second phase, and many of us were disoriented when it was GO TIME. The beasts spotted the two spotters a lot too, but I'm not sure if that was a glitch or not.
Makaveli_TheDon what if this person doesn't have a console and hasn't played the game yet ? 🤔 I agree that it can't come quick enough, because I also have NOT played the game yet. I play PC only.
the Gardens are hard because the Beasts are inconsistent with their detections. I had a Beast charge at me, and PUSH me, but it noticed the person 10 feet BEHIND me. They can notice you if you are in the middle of a pillar, crouched, with your TUYA. They take patience and decent communication and LFG groups are usually friends only looking for 1-2 people max, and the 'normal' group knows each other, and communicates fairly well, and the found players have to mesh with them.
The hard parts about the beast encounter with an LFG team is that some people don't know the dog pathing or can't seem to find their dog when it's the damage phase, leading to many wipes because one dog is still at half hp
Look at everyone trying to be edgy and say how shitty it was, this raid was great and having more encounters rather than just a bunch of boss fights was a breath of fresh air. It takes much more communication and much less time fighting a bullet sponge every encounter.
lamakicker69 Or it just wasn't fun for them? I didn't like, it was really boring and I didn't have much fun, thats all there is to it, I enjoy vault of glass style raids more. It's not bad to not like something man chill out, if you like it you like, if you don't you don't.
lamakicker69 anybody who criticizes a part in a video game are just edgy children? Gotcha, I guess anyone who complains about micro transactions or how padding the campaign is are just edgy children trying to look cool.
Great review. In regards to the pleasure gardens and LFG question, I think the one biggest issue is simply map awareness. Its easy to assign a dog to a guardian, but after you get turned around 4 or 5 times you can get lost for a second and burn up valuable time trying to correct your position.
To answer your LFG question, though this might just be me. My friends don't play video games (disgusting, I know), so I find myself on LFG a lot. I found a team on the raid launch day and we got to Gardens after 3 1/2 hours, but by that time everyone was beat so they quit. I tried to find another team but nobody I could find was on Gardens so I took a break too. A few days later, I got another team together and we got to Callus, but couldn't beat that because (again) people didn't have time. So this week, I got yet another team almost immediately after reset and we absolutely steamrolled the raid, Gardens included. Everyone was extremely positive and we were communicating really well. We only wiped a few times and it was awesome. So, I went to my Warlock later that night to try it out. This time, nobody wanted to communicate. Everyone was just talking over each other and making it impossible to find the spore locations. As you'd expect, we split up. Yesterday I tried yet AGAIN and had the exact same luck. Nobody would work together and we died over and over. The last time I tried it was right after that group dispersed, and things were awesome. we had 48 spores on Gardens and were waiting to move to the final one. Our ground leader ran us by a beast (we didn't get caught) but the guy on crystal got unfathomably pissed at him because... I don't know why, but he started calling him names and things of the sort, didn't shoot the spore, and killed himself repeatedly, so this team fell apart again. The biggest issues I seem to have are 1) time commitments of random people, trying to do a raid that takes around an hour in half that time, 2) people not being able to effectively communicate and work together effectively, and 3) people's egos being so high that if things don't go their way (even if the way it happened resulted in a success) that they break a team completely apart. It isn't just in D2 either. This happened frequently in D1, it happens in Overwatch and seemingly any other game I play. If these things didn't happen so often, I'd be so much more inclined to play these games but the fact that they do just makes me lose my desire to do so. Thanks for reading. PS. If anyone plays on Xbox and wants to add a seasoned player to their team/clan/whatever, add me: Bendothemailman :)
Worst Raid in Destinys history. Im a day 1 D1 player. All hard mode raids done. This is a joke of a raid. My clan and I are seriously demotivated by this nonsense. Poor rewards/ too mechanic heavy.
northbadger I thought my clan had a decent shot, we have a great sherpa leader but you really need 6 really good players to complete it. I didn't use to mind carrying or wiping until now, it just doesn't feel like we're going to get it any time soon. I just hope your team can do it at some point
with 4 things shadow realm people need to focus on it can be really frustrating. It would be nice if there weren't projections or maybe removing the tile section.
northbadger lmao your team just doesn’t know how to run it i’m guessing. it’s an enjoyable raid experience minus the gauntlet because it’s so time-consuming
Datto, on my experience with lfg on the beast garden, it's usually player error, one spore carrier is a couple of steps behind the other three and will try running, which alerts one or two of the beasts. That's all I have encountered, granted I've only had the chance to do beast garden once, and never even completed it. Another factor was timing and attacking the beasts and killing them. Granted, we didn't know killing one would decrease our time to run the next round, but this was a day after it came out.
2nd worst raid after Crota. And considering Crota is basically an extended strike I can call Leviathan the worst raid. Unfun, shit loot system, tedious mechanics, shit lore, lfg proof, just a shit raid in general. Genuinely hope they learn from this raid and never do anything like it again
The lore is the one good thing about this raid. We never really knew too much about the Cabal, and now we finally know their leader and what happened between Taken King and Destiny 2. I think it was a great addition to the lore. It sucks that you have to get the guns to know the lore though.
I dunno. The non-linear format of this raid compared to that being the case for every other raid was a nice change. However, the Castello part does feel a bit overused
To answer your question Datto: The beasts can be difficult on LFG due to the fact that the communication is super vital. The prism holders need to tell their teammates where to walk to get the spore and to call out if there is a dog nearby or not. Inside the maze, there has to be at least one person leading the group and watching the front lines, actively listening to the prism holder. If your team doesn't know eachother, you won't know how to communicate as effectively. That being said, I have gotten some really good teams from LFG that breezed through the dogs with little issue due to the fact that they listened and that they knew where to stand and go when a dog was around.
Having actually completed the raid with an LFG group and not my clan, I can say the biggest issue was that there was no clear leader / shotcaller. Everybody tried to guide the others, calling better strats ect, and that was especially harmful with the beasts. So when we actually just made sure theres one or 2 shotcallers (depending on the challenge and teams), it worked out so much better. Also making sure that everybody uses the same callouts, for example some peolple called one icon axes while others went with cleavers, which caused confusion and wipes. So if youre struggling, my advice would be to make sure everybody is on the same page with starts and callouts, then define one or 2 people who manage the encounter and just do what they say. In one run I spoke maybe like 2 sentences cause more was simply not needed.
I did the pleasure gardens with an LFG group plus one of my friends and it took us about 4 hours. It was the first day so we were still learning mechanics, but after an hour we understood everything and we were all above 280 light, several of us with merciless/other powerful DPS weapons. At one point we had all the dogs at very low health and were going to finish them off on the final run, but the safe room locked with the spore group inside and there was no way to leave unless the prism holders were able to kill every dog, which was extremely frustrating because it was out of our control. I get that there shouldn't be a safe room on the last attempt, but why lock the doors if everyone has to wipe anyways? Just keep the doors open and wipe everyone based on the timer. The other times we failed were because we were either spotted too early (because of a mistake or because the dogs glitched out and went on a different path) or we weren't able to find the last dog that needed to be killed or we ran out of time with the revive timer. I think the biggest issue I have with Leviathan is that Bungie has expressed that they want as many people as possible to experience the raid and enjoy end game content (as seen with the whole guided games thing), but it's a tall order to ask so much communication between strangers, let alone being able to actually execute each task. The Callus fight took me 11 hours over the course of 3 groups trying to finish him, and every time we failed it felt like cheap difficulty. The psions in the other dimension using their grenades to throw you over the barriers or running out of revives in the throne room with no possible way to come back. The only reason I bothered to finish the raid was because I felt like all the hours I spent on it would have been for nothing if I had quit. I honestly hated and game because of it and am dreading being forced back into the raid to get high level gear. There's also a huge number of glitches like Callus killing everyone on a platform with no notice, the dogs suddenly extending their walking pattern or spotting a prism holder for no apparent reason, people in the other dimension passing through the barriers for no reason, having to reopen the Callus door if someone steps on the platform (not sure if it's a glitch but they should fix it). The revive tokens and timer are the worst part of the raid: it's punishing death instead of making a mistake on the mechanics themselves, and in a raid like this where one mistake or glitch can kill you, it's way too harsh. All this combined makes it hard to believe that Bungie actually wants casual players to be able to complete this raid.
I love this raid, I understand some people don't like certain aspects of it but I love it through and through. As for beast garden experiences I haven't had any troubles but I've heard from other randoms that it mostly due to miscommunication and failure to time things correctly.
this week we found a good group on LFG and finished doing everything, including hunting for chests, under 2 hours. The Pleasure Garden encounter needs a confident and know it all runner, and you're good to go. just like Crota that everyone looked for a sword runner, you need a know it all leader in Pleasure Garden to run ahead to flowers.
Hello Datto, thank you for your work! Beasts suffer in LFG because I think there is not one particular iron clad strat that everyone has adopted yet. This leads to confused Guardians running around the forest floor and missing out on quality DPS time. I have also seen Guardians get really tripped up when returning to the safe room. Either they leave to early (leading to poor DPS) or leaving to late and getting lost or just missing the hatch (leading to unnecessary res. time).
I joined a clan of three and their friend as they were starting a fresh raid, we burned through everything up to the Gauntlet. I think the thing that made the difference was that the beasts part was explained well and I already knew a bit about the encounter thanks to your videos. The Gauntlet on the other hand was very poorly explained by another player and the other random person didn't seem to understand the encounter at all. He wound up rage quitting and the group went to do Trials. That being said I only joined to learn the raid to help my clan out this weekend when we all have time.
The only problem I run into on beasts is either they teleport in front of you or they get alerted by one of the guys up top when they jump to a platform.
I haven't finished the raid yet because of the Gardens. The main problem that definitely occurred within the garden was the crystal holders not finding and calling out the flowers fast enough. Meaning the seed holders are just not moving waiting for a call out on where to go, losing time and making it more likely to be spotted by the Beasts and losing a potential kill. Furthermore, deciding what Beast to kill is interesting, is there a good order to do it in or just try to 1/2 phase it with a 36-60x damage stack
I think this raid is awesome. That feeling of taking a step back and going "woah" every time we get to a new room was brilliant. My list from D1 from least good to best would be: Crota's End, King's Fall, Vault of Glass, Wrath of the Machine, with this raid definitely being in the top half. I would need to play it more to pinpoint further, but I really enjoyed it.
As a long time destiny player as well, I have realized that this game has definitely been oriented towards all of the casual players in comparison to us grindy players. I have used lfg many times as well as done the raid with my friends. The struggles you would like ot hear about in the beast encounter is people on lfg not knowing the correct paths to take or the patterns of the dogs. Us hardcore destiny 1 players basically memorized the paths of the gorgons in vog, which allowed us to go through the gorgon’s maze with a breeze. My buddies and I were able to design a diagram with the paths through the dogs. One way I suggest you could help out those looking for clues on the beast encounter would be to design a diagram of your own with the paths we could take to each spore and make a video explaining when we go and where we wait for each spore. Also, Datto, I have been watching your videos for it seems like since day 1 of destiny, and I appreciate what you do for the Destiny community in giving us tutorials and your thoughts on what Bungie has had in store for us. Thank you.
The "Beast Encounter" failed the first 1 hour because the guardians I was guiding didn´t know the best routes and when I tried directing them through these routes they were rather hesitent. Going through our optimal team routes really helped stepping up the game. We also asigned players to certain beast locations for the damage phase. These 2 tricks made it alot easier to pull off.
In my experience so far the biggest issue with teams in the garden is the "floor leader" not knowing the map and the dog paths. For LFG if there is at least one person who has the map down he/she can lead the other three effectively through the garden to the plants but also everyone on the fireteam needs to have a good knowledge of the map for the one rotation strategy anyways
I read that cabal book that came with the collector's edition (the thing with hawthorne's bag) and I wasn't very surprised by the raid. I thought "why would Calus sacrifice any of his lieutenants for a simple test of might ?" So I wasn't surprised that there wasn't any other boss than robot Calus. Which surprised me at first I didn't think we would face him. I feel like most disappointment comes from people who didn't know about all of this. Without that book which tells the past of Calus, how he became emperor, how he met ghaul, how he met te consul, what's the purpose of the leviathan etc... Without all of this you can barely understand the raid. You only know that Calus rewards any one who kills the ones who betrayed him, from that adventure of Nessus. Bungie didn't want to talk about the raid or the emperor before the raid's release and I feel like that's what caused a lot of misunderstandings and disappointments. Why aren't Ghaul's and the consul's backstories into the damn game ? Why can't we learn how the Empire nearly died at the hands of the belligerent aristocrats and was saved by Calus in the game ?
The beasts took us 3 days to get passed. We had the mechanics down, we had the power levels, we had the gear, we had the communication. It was the bugs that got us every time. The dogs glitching inside the safe room, then randomly sprinting to places they don't normally go when no one is around. Them spotting players when we're in the safe room and they're back was facing us. Finding players on top, finding players when they are standing still not in the FOV. Just so many things.
I think that a lot of the complaint comes from the fact that this is much more team based then previous raids. Like for KF, you say everyones position beforehand, and then there are only a few calls you have to make when you need to change positions and it's dependent on each player doing their job. Now, its dependent on each player working with others to do the job. Arguably baths is pretty self based, but the rest requires so much coordination, that it's hard for randoms to get in and get it done easy peasy (most of the time).
Revisiting history here, wasn’t one of the Nessus missions really the setup for this? I thought that was cool, cabal raining down preparing Nessus to be consumed by the ship…
I think they missed an opportunity for a new social space. The whole theme is that Calus is inviting people to compete, and people are worthy are rewarded. They could have had a lovely social space where you turn in your tokens, access your vault, etc... I love that it's poised to be expanded if they want, they could easily add another encounter down the line without actually ruining the feel of the raid, or as has been noted, change the order of the encounters.
It is a fun raid. Something different. Glad to see Datto takes the time to analyze it in-depth, unlike others who just outright write it off generically as a 'bad raid'.
So far my teams haven't had any trouble on the beasts after we started using your callouts for spore locations. My teams always had trouble with the gauntlet. That part alone took us 6 hours last week for just forgetting psions or not shooting the correct triangles fast enough or not running fast enough on the final phase.
Apart from the very concise communication needed for Pleasure Gardens to go smoothly, one recurring issue we had was that sometimes our Prism runners simply weren't fast enough after the safe room opened, we'd all have the Spores and waiting for them to do call outs, and often times we could see where we should be going before they could call out. One of our Prism runners was/is kind of derpy too, sometimes he'd just forget to call out until we were yelling at him, and by the time we got to the flowers on his side they'd despawn. He'd also forget to kill his Centurion that'd spawn pretty much every time, which was kind of a pain. For me, personally, the biggest issue I had as a runner was getting lost after about 3-4 stack grabs, and having no fucking clue where my dog was(we were trying to one phase every time) so when the DPS phase would start, I'd have to visually see the safe room in order to know where I was supposed to go. It never caused a wipe or anything, but I felt slightly inefficient as a result. I'm sure the more I do the raid the more comfortable/familiar with the room I'll become and eventually it won't be an issue at all, but it was definitely giving me a headache on day one.
The best raid is obviously The Prison of Elders with Arc burn.
george giannou lmao
george giannou Memories of Gjallarhorn.
MrLp32 you mean hell
Hardest thing I ever did in Destiny was the black spindle mission when we just kept trying to melt the boss and then tidy up as 12 months of Destiny taught us thats how you do it. Eventually changed strats and then my mate and I used to run Kinderguardians through it for fun.
george giannou hide on the lamp with icebreaker 😏
"Raid formula is never gonna change"
Inb4 riven
Inb4 The Witness
@@DiddyCanFlyalso his comment about not caring if there weren’t more bosses vs now saying he wished there was a third boss
Imagine running down a dark, mysterious hallway. Out of no where *bam* trap doors open and your entire team is seperated into 6 different rooms. You have to find a way to get back to one another by completing a series of tasks. But these tasks are intertwined. Some one in one room triggers adds in another room. Killing those adds triggers a mini boss in a different room. You have to coordinate through communication to come up with optimal conditions in order to clear each room, and to find your way back to one another. If one of you fails, each room starts to wipe one by one until you all perish. UNLESS, you can stop the impending death by solving your rooms mystery; which is harder without having another guardian alive in the other room.
Will you last? Can you save your team from wiping at this crucial moment? All have died except for you, Gaurdian. The clutches that are your hands squeeze the controller harder as your sweat makes it increasingly difficult for you to grasp it. Succeed or perish. These are you options.
You have 2 days.
The "2 days" thing is irrelevant. But all of the best stories give ultimatums so I thought I would try it.
Indigo Bourn That does sound unique
This is a Fucking genious idea
Indigo Bourn Really cool idea, I could imagine it to be a hive raid, it would have a creepy thriller feel to it.
Indigo Bourn If Saw met Destiny.
Indigo Bourn sounds like what the crota's end raid should have been
Valus Ta'aurc shouldve been the final raid boss
lol with his minigun
Victor Escalante Also knows as: Rocket mcfuckface. Him on year one nightfall with solar burn was terrifying. (Took me longer than most to get gjallahorn).
Someone copypaste the beginning of the strike dialogue by Zavala pls
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
^MVP right there.
I never expected ghaul to be the boss.....simply because they want people who can't complete the raid feel like they did something
and no,I'm not one of them
karkoush tbh i wish Ghaul was the finale boss but eh
They could have done what they did with oryx, having you kill him once and being brought back even more powerful that's before
Gavin Mitchell especially when he went all big
I think they should’ve had the Consul
Darth Shedinja Meh,consul looked like a normal centurion
the beasts are difficult because it requires 3 degrees of communication. 1 for the person leading on the ground through the dogs, 1 for the prism holders to warn the dogs presence and kill the handlers, and 1 for each player to find and kill their respective dog while keeping track of time. For an experienced team of friends with set roles its easy, but for 6 randoms that dont know each other and maybe dont have call outs or even know the mechanic, its a nightmare :) Sweet vid datto
Edit: I have beaten the raid and have a team, but my first attempt was lfg players so this was my experience. Thanks to those leaving tips but i am just answering in response to datto wondering what lfg was like
Blakearious Gaming I think another reason is a lot of people don't know how to traverse on ground. Like which route is best to take from one spore to the next. Beast paths as well. Even then you can do Vault of Glass right now and consistently wipe in the Gorgon maze with some lfg groups. Maybe it's people not caring to be careful? Or they don't bother to learn the mechanics of the beasts and just watch guides without ever learning from experience and expect to complete the encounter just because they watched a video. With a well communicated group the only issue would be learning routes.
Communications is my biggest fear for LFG
I've found that killing all the adds and then giving everyone 5 minutes to walk around the gardens really helps. I did this to get a better idea of where to go thus I can lead a group. I think one issue is stragglers or a beast handler being killed which can lead to a beast being spooked and happening upon your group.
Our group didn't have many problems with the Gardens. We didn't need 3 levels of communication though. Basically just a leader on the ground, who understood the beast-pathing. And the prism holders would just say where they saw flowers at, to give the leader options.
"We have one flower near... other flower is caves." Then the leader on the ground would just say "Ok, were going caves" and everyone just worked as a unit. Really cut down on unnecessary coms. You don't need to know where the dogs are too much if you understand their pathing, aside from really basic callouts.
Ill let you in on a secret. Get 4 spores and kill all the dogs first phase. So easy that way!!! 1 person per dog just blow all your specials and nades ext. I did it at light lvl 270. Just plan on putting your high damage players next to your low damage players so they can help when they finish there dogs.
The loot kind of bothered me. Trials is so much more rewarding, in less time, even if you don’t go flawless. The only loot that brought me up was the one drop from Calus and one extremely lucky drop from dogs. I wish that benedict would drop higher loot.
Sounds like you need the prestige to get the loot you seek
just go find the chests underground and u lock them with the keys you get. guaranteed to get at least 1 exotic and all the raid gear you can ask for. The chests reward you well. You do the encounters for the keys hence why the individual encounters can be completed so quickly
Cameron Greathouse what underground chest
Looks at my 8 rockets, 5 scouts, 3smgs :( rip
Fortunately, the loot is something that can be tweaked a bit easier than encounter design, which is why I didn't talk about it as much. I agree though.
“Big Gladiator” well you just kinda predicted Crown of Sorrows final boss. 😂
Lol
“Some big gladiator dude”
*Ghalran intensifies*
this is for your "what's the lfg experience like?"
i hope you have a warm cup of coffee, because this is going to be a read.
in general, really great. there are a lot of competent, patient people online if you know how to look for the right groups. i actually found my clan using lfg. but that's boring, you probably want to know the bad parts.
for every part of the raid, one weak person can wreck it all.
*in general*: a weak player often doesn't speak much, have poor communication abilities and weak weapons. the lack in communication is usually a big part of it, since they never say they need help or ask a question to clarify something they don't understand. either they're slow learners or just can't learn something, we don't know. we try to sherpa as much as we can, a weak player needs to put in at least some effort to learn mechanics.
*dogs*: if a weak person uses a crystal, they can be slow on calling flowers, not know how to call flowers or call the wrong flower entirely. this includes a quick sync to each other's strategies so everyone knows what's happening. i don't know if a weak person just doesn't listen or if they just get confused easily. they also often forget to get the sniper or beast handlers. since you can't even melee if you're carrying a spore, you're caught with your pants down and anything you do will begin to attract a nearby dog. if they're sneaking, a weak person (somehow always) is the last person to a flower. they lag behind the rest of the team, either getting caught or forcing the team to wait for them in order to get a +12 buff, which could get the rest of the team caught. lastly, during damage phases, a weak player often doesn't have a good weapon like the warlock sword or merciless, and can't kill their dog quick enough, forcing someone else to kill their dog quicker to help them out.
*gauntlet*: this one really got my team because this part is frustratingly easy. a weak player can't distinguish between voices. for example, a weak player is assigned to shoot the bottom plate between two sections. if the person who calls YOUR plates says "middle" for example and the other runner calls "bottom", they'll think they're supposed to shoot the middle plate. this obviously both kills runners and spawns the purple psions, forcing the rest of the team to pay attention for the weak player's mistakes. basically, you have to hope to get lucky that the runners call the same call, or a call that would make the weak player shoot the right plate regardless (e.g. if they're shooting bottom, a middle or top call would let them shoot the right plate). given how you only need three people to finish at the end, it doesn't matter if they die immediately while running.
*baths*: they can't kill their bather and never stand on the plate. for some reason, even if they have merciless or anything, they just can't kill their bathers and get murdered immediately. my clanmate made a joke that he'd see his chain move up 2 inches and immediately hear "guardian down" without fail when we tried to carry a weak player. obviously this means the side they're on is behind, and can even wipe the team if they're playing catch up for long enough.
*calus*: inside, they can't kill the psions for some reason and get knocked over the barrier. i don't know if it's because they're confused about needing to shoot the psions in the bubbles or the psions on the ground, but they just can't. they also NEVER look to see if there's a hole, and usually fall into one. it got to a point where i needed to tell someone exactly where to stand for them to survive, knocking me out of killing psions for a few seconds, leaving one guy left to shoot. thankfully he was good with a grenade launcher and was able to take out the bubble psions immediately. outside, they die. constantly. i'm usually on the inside during this encounter so i don't know firsthand, but from what clanmates tell me, they just hang in the back not killing adds but somehow keep dying. they also apparently get confused during calls and either melee the wrong psion or don't even try to melee them in the first place, leaving the other two trying to get to the psion they need to melee while also focusing on adds.
whew, that was a lot, but i've helped sherpa on lfg sites relatively often both in d1 and d2. 99% of people are quick learners. they're just new and don't know the mechanics yet. once they realize how easy it is they're more or less perfectly fine. but every now and then you get that 1% guy who somehow turns the gauntlet into a 3 hour experience.
Da Vi I’m definitely a weak player lmao. I have a hard time fully grasping the entire thing because I’m a visual person. So when someone’s telling me what to do before the encounter then go in expecting me to do it perfectly, i fuck up because I have no idea where the hell to go. Luckily I’ve been able to find people who were very understanding and patient but if it weren’t for them I wouldn’t raid at all.
I’ve Sherpad a weak player through encounters I had a good grasp of, and on my 2nd full Levi I sherpad a full team. 1 guy was new to the game, but luckily we all new each other from school and siblings except for the new guy, but he had played with some of us before. He was extremely nervous and felt like all wipes were on him. It took around 7 hours to do, but it was a well spent experience. I also just sherpad a few XGN Clan members last night, and very good experience. Took us a while, but we ended up beating the raid after around 5 hours. Very fun, interesting, and hard. We sadly had to 2 phase and almost died in the final stand due to bad load outs among the team, but we ended up clutching and beating the fool
The belly is a wasted opportunity IMO. They could've made it part of the exotic raid quest where you have to find parts, solve riddles etc. The best part about it is the exploration which has minimal replay value. Running through that every week to open chests for loot feels like a waste of time.
Simon D. Well there's still more to the quest so who knows
Simon D. They could make so many new encounters with how huge this ship is. Or even some kind of patrol zone ? Maybe in the future ? Bungie PLZ
Its already been beaten by Datto. So no, nothing more is to be had in the Leviathans underbelly sadly.
Justice Johnston The quest has not been beaten by Datto. The next step is to complete the raid on prestige difficulty, which hasn't come out yet. So there's no telling what you'll have to do.
Dead Meme that will happen
102 force of will WTF MATH CLASS
We've gotten it a little higher even than that. The trick is to send in 4 people instead of three. Makes the outside tough, but a HUGE payoff if you do it. Once you get comfortable with the mechanics I highly recommend trying it, it's a blast!
redeem had it up to 130 something
4 people, at least one Stormtrance, with Arc Souls ;)
SirWeyloran Storm trance works on skulls?
Well I've heard it does from raid members. I'm leveling up my Warlock to try it out myself. But apparently it does!
LFG Pleasure Garden. Blind attempt aside,
Issues the random groups I've been in have resulted from people not communicating (my beast is above half health, I need help killing it, etc) People not judging the wipe timer (not running back soon enough)
Accidentally triggering the damage phase (usually the spore runners)
Or not having enough DPS to kill their target (related to not communicating that they need help, (but help was from overleveled people, not everyone being 270 or something) )
Hope that was helpful, they seem like pretty common/obvious issues.
shouldn't need help with ur dog, use a good sword (It Stared Back) or a merciless, also chuck a damage over time grenade on the dog.
And the glitches like the dog literally being in the room with the spores or the people up top getting caught somehow or things like guys not killing their beast handler
Duncan McKay Yep, it took me more than 4 attempts to finish that on lfg, use the merciless fusion rifle and some void, solar or pulse nades and you should be ok
Yeah, not too surprising, but always helps to make sure so I know where to focus my efforts.
Rewatching this in 2021 while running Vault of Glass with my igneous hammer from trials of Osiris run by Saint 14 and my ignition code given to me by our fallen ally Mithrax…we’ve come along way 🥲
To fair, the only time the raid formula really changed, being King's Fall Oryx, people complained about how you couldn't really do that fight any faster
I think I would make much more sense if, when the 30 second revival timer runs out, that person can't be revived anymore; not the whole team gets wiped, it makes no sense
I really enjoyed the raid, the problems we had were people not following instructions, and bugs in the shadow realm
The centurions and heavies with solar shields were pretty buggy throughout the raid, for my team.
Yeah, sometimes if you went far right before Skelton phase the purple barrier wouldn’t stop you from getting sucked in. Killed me about 5 times :)
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I actually miss this raid now. I’m a PvPer and for me to say that really shows how much nostalgia I have with this one.
For the beast encounter the hardest part for newer players is their sense of direction while on the ground which leads to them not finding their own dog in time
Jordan Solomon I have players practice running to their spores before we start the encounter
Shane Moody yeah having people get familiar with the main in ground is key
Wonder what Dattos thoughts are seeing as he had to run the raid 13+ times.
So the players say they don't like bullet sponges, then when there aren't any bullet sponge encounters, they complain...
WeskersPlayhouse Pretty much, this is my favorite raid (Haven’t played rise of iron) I like how team oriented it is and how different all Of the encounters are. They just need to fix the bugs, way too many
WeskersPlayhouse Pretty much, this is my favorite raid (Haven’t played rise of iron) I like how team oriented it is and how different all Of the encounters are. They just need to fix the bugs, way too many
WeskersPlayhouse hopefully the destiny community doesn’t become as toxic as the cod community
Plus you have to remember its datto. You can’t really satisfy him and his “opinion” is what influences this community. I agree with you this raid felt good because it was was was well polished
Destiny community in a nutshell
1. Wrath of the Machine
2. Vault of Glass
3. Kings Fall
4. Leviathan
Although my favorite strike is Crota.
1. Last Wish
2. Kings Fall
3. Wrath of the Machine
4. Spire of Stars
5. Garden of Salvation
6. Leviathan
7. Vault of Glass
8. Scourge of The Past
9. Crota’s End
10. Crown of Sorrow
11. Eater Of Worlds
Updated list
@@INCNetski
Last Wish
King's Fall
Vault of Glass
Crota's End
Spire of Stars
Crown of Sorrow
Garden of Salvation
Scourge of the Past
Wrath of the Machine
Eater of Worlds
Leviathan
CDM_Enigma respectable, but I wouldnt put Leviathan under Eater.
@@INCNetski It's ultimately subjective but I favor Eater because I simply find the lair more enjoyable than Levi. Most of Levi is puzzle oriented with only a single boss. And Prestige Levi is horrifically glitchy once one gets to Calus, so that is something I take into account.
Imagine them bringing back crota, but instead of a raid, it’s classified as what it is. A dungeon
I recently went into a fresh raid with an LFG group and two of them where new to the raid. With some very patient explaining we where able to get through most of it very quickly. We had to stop at guantlet. As for dogs though, assigning everybody to a dog and have a set "leader" on the ground that knew the path and was very patient made it go very smoothly. It only took us like 30mins total for dogs. The problems I would run into in my main group is people fighting over who is leader and not being patient. They try to run and finish it faster and get sloppy and get caught.
James Jaurequi this is why im a dictator in my group with my two generals. :p lol
Im just waiting for that one guy that thinks hes hot shit that you absolutely fucking roast in the comments.
ImASillyName Damn thats accurate
That’s the only reason I read his comments!
Anyone know a good video I cam watch of his where I cam see one of these comments? 🤣🤣
You're an idiot.
As much as I wish I could patrol the comment section, I think 2 reddit posts is enough for me for now, even if they were both on my side.
Speaking from personal experience:
I really love this raid.
1. The under belly(all the hidden passages)
2. The order of encounter changes every week.
3. It challenges you in different ways.
4. It's not just killing bosses.
5. I really like the colors/weapons/location.
6. I was able to find really good players in destinylfg.net(aside from a few assholes)
7. I agree with datto for the most part.
8. Some people will never be please, they just complain about every single thing.
9. Really hated the bugs and glitches.
Basically the community wants the same shit over and over. If Bungie changes something they say it's the worst thing ever.
Discovering the under belly for the first time with my team was the best. We had no idea about it and finding it was the best raid experience I've had so far. Just waiting for a 6th, jumping on some buttons and a door opening up gave me goosebumps
Lfg for pleasure garden was actually good for me, the team taught me a new strategy which worked amazing which I then taught my team and so on. Only problem is so many teams make different strategies and even though that is good, it gets hard when they don't wanna use the mainly and easy to use strategy and use their hard, complex one instead
"One straight line" My friends and I went through the caves the entire time and only went to the hub once in the beginning
It's an okay raid, not great nor bad but just meh...
finally someone who gets it :)
I enjoyed the change up from Ads--boss, Ads-----boss. It may not have been the best but I enjoyed it.
I thought the Raid is dope. Looks nice and the mechanics actually test you. It is odd how Ghaul was very short lived and now Calus feels as if he has a heavier impact and interaction with the players.
In my experience with LFG groups the problems with the beast is one of two things, either people just wanting to one cycle it because they heard people can do that so they try to rush then throw a fit when they get caught, or the one dude who is always lagging behind doing something else while playing who always gets spotted right off the bat.
My biggest issue with this raid is the loot system. How can trials give 2-3 times more loot than the raid. I miss getting a piece of gear after an encounter and being able to instantly equipped it and use it. Putting a lot of work for little reward
Devil_Dog_ 97 u can unlock the chests underground. 3 chests will always drop at least 1 exotic. plus after every raid u get 33 tokens which can be swapped for raid gear as well. idk wtf ur complaining about, u want loot simply poured down your throat?
Think u need to learn reading comprehension skills. I am not complaining it is a criticism. I would rather have the loot drop in raid after encounters that is all. Not asking for more loot to drop overall. Man!!!! If you can't understand that then F off
" How can trials give 2-3 times more loot than the raid" sounds like a complaint, but idk maybe my reading comprehension skills are bad
Seymor Butts exactly what I'm saying
The thing about the beast encounter is that it preys upon the worst propensities a guardian has. The way we did it initially (before realizing that 4 spores around a flower gave 12x), was to split up the gardens on a 50 yard line, and have two teams of three, which is basically how the other three encounters operated anyway. It was a little bit of a struggle to leave communications open to only the people required to relay information. Deciding who was in charge of what information is a struggle for every fireteam.
The biggest problem, though, was patience. The royal beasts move dreadfully slowly. How many times in the Crucible, specifically Trials, does someone say, "sniper hardscoping that lane, just don't even peek. Like, at all. Just don't peek that lane." Player X then surreptitiously peeks the lane, and gets shot in the head, and the round is lost. There are so many times in this encounter where you need to wait for the beast to turn around, and everyone says, "Morn is right in front of you, don't move at all." And instead of not moving, someone in the fireteam can't stand still, and creeps around the pillar, and alerts one of the beasts. It's the opposite of everything we know as a Destiny player. We need to just stand still!
1. Vault of glass
2. Wrath of the Machine
3. King's fall
4. Crota's end
5. Arc burn prison of elders
6. Getting castrated with a butter knife
7. Leviathan
DominusPaul Kings Fall was my favourite dont know why but the atmosphere was nice and i think i like boss fights
Your list is perfect.
Lol perfect list indeed. This raid is by far the worst yet.
anything that has wrath of the machine above kings fall is objectively a terrible list
Nathan Enright why king's fall was and still is the buggiest destiny 1 raid by far. From a technical performance standpoint alone it has to be lower on the list. I've seen videos where the warpriest and golgoroth have respawned instantly after being killed. I've experienced oryx only teleporting four guys out of the shade phase and casting doxology on the others in hard mode. I've experienced oryx slamming his fist while the runner was on the ground causing the runner to get launched across the room to his death. Multiple times I've seen all 16 orbs detonated at the same time all while oryx is being damage by touch of malice only leading half damage. Even when king's balls doesn't glitch, it's too long and tedious. Plus it has by far the worst raid loot in destiny 1. The machine gun and the sniper were the only good pieces of loot. Maybe from a pure mechanical point of view I could agree with you on king's balls but as an overall package I think it's the worst raid in destiny 1 and the second worst raid bungie has ever made ahead of only leviathan
For me what I noticed when I went through the Beast section with different groups is that the thing that gets us is the communication between the person leaving the ground group and the guys on top shooting the beams. The guys on top can be slow to the relay information and sometimes they could cost us precious time in running to the correct flowers so that we can get the buff.
Sometimes they take too long and we only end up with maybe 24/36 before the Beast start getting restless. Also sometimes the people on top end up being spotted by the beasts and we have to wipe and start over. Over if you have good communication between the group leader at the bottom and the people on top and we all move efficiently we can get at least 48 - 60 stacks.
Lastly the other thing that gets us is whenever the beasts grow Restless people be forgetting their assigned spots for their dog and that can cause an issue later on during the burn phases. Though if people do get to their assigned spots they tend to stay longer trying to kill their dogs then what they need to and take too long to get to the safe room and then they end up dying right as they get to it
It felt like an arena as opposed to the other raids which flowed smoothly. Another boss would be nice but the loot is another big issue. I miss engrams dropping instead of having to go to a vendor to spend tokens! Overall better than crota but thats it imo.
danno1no1 I think we can't rank it because it doesn't feel like a raid, it practically isn't
Phoenix Wright it's a spin-off raid. I like how it's different from D1 raids but it has dumb flaws, flaws that can get fixed if bungie even cares.
@Datto I think what makes the Garden segment hard for LFGers (beyond the obvious stealth and communication aspects) is that it's open to completing using different strategies/philosophies that clash; i.e. you can try to build stacks up to x48-x60 and then go for the kills, or you can try doing x24-x36 stacks and whittling down the health of the dogs. You can choose to leave dogs alive which gives the team more sneaking time, or kill the dogs which lessens time but makes sneaking easier. Both philosophies work, but if the team isn't on the same page then all fails.
I think Bungie should add Legacy Raids. A whole playlist dedicated to just being able to play every Destiny 1 raid at current power levels, mostly for fun with maybe only cosmetic items added as rewards nothing to huge.
Dude they did exactly that in D1 with moments of triumph
This is the dumbest suggestion considering D1 literally did this with Age of Triumph. You could run VoG, CE and KF at 390
Brody Rodriguez yeah it was called age of triumph
Brody Rodriguez That would never sit well with the community. It'd just come off as a lazy recycled way to add content.
Brody Rodriguez
And that is the worst part of Destiny as a franchise, it plays like an "mmo", but doesn't have all the important GOOD parts of an "mmo".
The game has no text chat, 3 set emotes and 1 custom, no rewarding character progression, all 3 classes feel the same, and the most important issue THEY SEPERATE CONTENT WITH DIFFERENT GAME RELEASES.
So now D2 players have less content to play with than D1, but the gameplay is the exact same so you are literatly getting a 60$ story mode with minor tweaks here ad there and less customization options.
Beasts has been for our group due to two issues specifically. Beasts spawning inside the safe room, and beast seeing the prism holders up top as they move between locations (right side especially as only one sun spot is optimal for not being seen and taking care of beast tamers that spawn after each flower is shot). Aside that, the beasts aren't difficult to kill.
Every group I have been in struggles with the Shadow Room on Calus. Mostly because you can't make a mistake in there or the whole raid dies. Seems a little too harsh for the normal mode of the raid. I have been in 6 different groups and have yet to beat Calus. 4 couldnt even get to the damage phase. Any advice is appreciated.
Jace M make sure your group is calling out the symbols in a specific order (i.e. person 1 person 2 person 3) and you shouldn't ever have to deal with people talking over each other. make sure that you assign each person a spot in the void (left middle right) and base your callouts on that order (left to right, person 1 on left and person 3 on right and person 2 in the middle etc). also the normal three psions that spawn are attributed to side, so left guy kills the left psion and so on. for the purple psions just pay attention and shoot whichever one is closest to you; i was on left and killed the left one and the others shot the right one. finally make sure you pay attention to the environment between symbol phases so you don't go off a ramp and die because of it. the skull part is pretty easy, but if you're dying because of it i suggest a titan wall or bubble. good luck nonetheless.
Just keep at it man. Try and get a team together when you have a lot of time to spend on attempts because the longer you and your team try that phase the better your teammates will get at it and the easier it will be to beat. I agree that the whole dying in the shadow room and causing a wipe is a bit harsh but it's not impossible. Maybe when you get teleported have 2 people focus on killing little psions as fast as possible and one focus on killing the projections? That worked for us. Also just make sure you and your teammates are VERY careful when you're being pulled to the next barrier because even the smallest little ramp can launch you over the wall, and the more time you get teleported the more holes appear in the ground. Lastly when the people in the shadow room get to the skull shooting part have the 3 people still in the throne room wait as long as possible before they take out Calus's overshield. The longer they wait the more skulls the other group can shoot and the more damage you will do overall.
For me, stupid stuff happens like the wall will disappear or people will hit a tiny bump and go flying over the wall. I personally think they should make the void wall a little taller and make the psions less likely to do their grenade attack as soon as they spawn.
The normal psions tend to hide behind ramps or obstacles on the left and right. We have found it beneficial to crossfire. Left guy shoots right psion, middle shoots middle psion, right shoots left psion. Everyone should have a good clear line of sight to those psions. use a scout or hand cannon that can 1 or 2 shot psions. They spawn in the same location every time so after you try it a few times you should be able to have your crosshairs waiting where they spawn. Also focus normal psions first then the projections.
I think it's pretty unfair that the Psions can sometimes launch their grenades LITERALLY AS THEY'RE SPAWNING IN
I almost always end up LFGing the raids, maybe one day I'll have a clan but it is not this day. The beast mode encounter is especially difficult, because it requires the people on the ground to completely surrender themselves to the guidance of the Prism holders.
The first time I did it we went in blind and it was an absolute mess, serious lack of communication, no one was the clear-cut leader, and everyone was talking over each other like a bunch of boneheads. We didn't finish, I left salty, and it was unfortunate.
The second time, after watching your video actually, I knew exactly what needed to be done and the team I jumped to didn't, so I got to become the team leader. We did a dry run so everyone knew exactly where their dogs were, and I think this was absolutely crucial. I and my partner were up top calling stuff out and everyone on the ground stayed quiet. We took it very seriously, and for that reason we were rewarded. This is not an encounter you can goof around in. Everyone needs to be on the same page, and on the occasion you jump into a group with that same mindset, you really shouldn't have any problems, and that clear feels damn good.
To sum it up, I think there is one thing central to the dogs encounter, and that is leadership. When you have one person who is the undisputed leader of the team, and the rest of the players treat it as such and listen to him when he has something to say, the raid will be awesome. However, if your team is a disgruntled mess, you're gonna have a bad time bro. So yes, LFG can work, but you have to find the right team.
It sounds like when this gets to pc I'm going to spend more time looking at the scenery and architecture rather than the actual gameplay. Sounds pretty bland and samey from this (as an avid D1 player).
Edit: Saying that it sounds like Bungie could be getting there (hopefully) with the raid formula overall.
From what I've heard, my only gripes seem to be the gear not having raid specific bonuses, that you can get the gear without even playing it (through clans), the limited revive thing sounds a bit dodgy from Datto's description, and the complaints people were having with getting loot, and the raid chests, and only having keys for a week,or whatever that mess is.
Also for those of you that have played through it, are there shaders? Is there only one (with presumably a second coming in hard mode)? And what's the drop rate like on them, and gear in general for that matter?
Sam Harrington think the shaders drop in 3s from the first chest def, not sure where else
You only get raid loot if one of your clan members completed the raid, and its only at 10 power if you did not do the raid with them
Sam Harrington You get 4 of the shader once a week. They have the same palette as the raid gear. And no, it's at least 3 of your clan members in one completion to get the raid engram.
I completed the raid twice so far, once each week it has been out. I have gotten a full set of raid armor, the rocket launcher three times, the energy pulse rifle, and the kinetic auto rifle. I've gotten the raid shader 8 times. I've also gotten 3 exotic engrams out of the chests in the bottom over the two weeks
The gear drops are basically nonexistent. All you get are stupid tokens to give to the raid vendor; which doesn't even unlock until you've beaten the entire raid. This is the worst part. It makes the entire thing feel pointless. Unlike Destiny 1 when you beat a boss and got 1-2 GUARANTEED drops that were ALWAYS higher light level than you were. I miss the 5 min show and tell after each encounter of a new raid where everyone saying, "Hey look at my badass armor/weapon I just got."
I've been watching you for about 4 years now. The only source you need for Destiny related content is right here.
My problem with this raid is that I feel like I'm getting shafted out of loot. The only way I was able to get loot was from the unexciting event of turning in tokens (as if it was like earning regular loot in the game) or by wading into this stupidly complex maze that requires more than one person to decipher. Wow! How exciting! You know what else required more than one person to get exciting loot? The raid encounters themselves that we just did!
Why Bungie is tripping all over themselves to put unnecessary barriers between me and my rewards?
I'm glad you asked about the garden encounter with lfg. My clan members already had 6 people for the raid launch so I decided to go on lfg. What I found was that it just requires good communication and like you mentioned the clutch factor is kinda ruined it's hard to "carry" or help people do their jobs if they mess up. When I did this with my clan the next day the garden became the easiest part of the raid because we had that communication.
Very disappointed in this one. The lack of context for one thing. Basically, if you didn't buy the collector's edition, you miss out on 95% of the lore set up -- because that lore is not in the game. For the average player, Callus is barely a footnote of the story ... and inexplicably shows up to be our final PvE raid. It all feels very disconnected from the story and the major conflict presented in the campaign.
The lack of bosses is also disappointing as there's something cathartic about shooting a giant enemy until it explodes in a shower of loot. That's why games have bosses; that's why almost all raids have raid bosses. We like to see a big-bad-whatever and we feel empowered when we stomp it into the dirt. A puzzle doesn't really give you that.
Did you feel that annoyed with the first raid? TBH, like Datto says, and if you get the quest for Acrius, you can kinda figure out that "Hey something, or someone is coming". The only thing the LE/CE added was a book that was like "Hi, I'm the Cabal Emperor, I'm on the Leviathan, and I'm currently fucking pissed because Ghaul and his ugly friend kicked me out". And it shows a bunch of named Cabal.. .That we never meet.
I never bought the collector's edition or finished the raid and I understand all of the setup perfectly fine.
What I love the Leviathan raid is that there is no specific weapon that we have to use.
In King's fall, Sniper + machine gun and Touch of Malice were almost mandatory.
So there were no variation to use different weapons.
I'm happy that I can use full auto shotgun, fusion rifle, submachine gun..etc in the raid.
1. King's Fall 👑
2. Vault Of Glass 🔍
3. Leviathan 🎉
4. Wrath Of The Machine 👾
5. Crota 🐖
REMEMBER THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, YOU DONT HAVE TO AGREE. PLS NO HATE
your list is shit Kappa
I'd swap 1 and 2 but yeah that's "the list@
I really enjoyed King's Fall. Running Relic, or being a center Titan were my favorites. The expanse of VOG was incredible. Crota was ok... WTOM was super fun. I enjoyed the empowerments and jumping on the back of a giant robot spider. LOL
1). Vault of Glass
2). Wrath of the Machine
3). Crota’s End
4). Kings Fall
5). Leviathan
Room For Improvement what was ur fav part of wotm?
I think the problem with the beast encounter is members not familiar with each other becoming impatient. It takes a while to learn the best routes to get around and get the most stacks you can get to do the best damage, as soon as a member of the team on the ground could lead everyone else around to the best of their ability, the encounter became much easier
Raid Order for me is:
WoTM
VoG
Leviathan
Crota
KF
I put KF last only because they never fixed Golgoroth, but you could make a case for Crota being last due to its brevity.
TheOctavariumTheory what was wrong with golgoroth? Coz KF is by far my favourite raid
Thot Vanquisher 6 Orbs was how the encounter was designed. People did 1 Orb, no one learned 6 Orbs, and Bungie never did anything to address it.
TheOctavariumTheory yeah I figured that'd be your point
TheOctavariumTheory id swap kf and leviathan ps i know im late lol
I have done the beast encounter with an lfg group. For me, it was that fact that people didn't know what to do, or because it was an lfg group, there were no specific roles. Once you get those roles down and you know how you want to do it with your group, it gets MUCH easier.
Don't like it, it's boring and I much prefer the boss encounters
Ryuji Sakamoto Is Hot AF tell me what's fun during the atheon fight, standing in one spot and unload on his crit spot or the part that comes before the damage phase?
I personally like mechanics over just standing in one spot and doing DPS but that's just me.
Swole_Monkey people expect raids to be like WoW. Literally 5+ bosses. I don't understand how it's bad since Crota's end has one boss, VOG and WOTM have 2 bosses. Could argue that deathsinger is a boss but then that would make the beasts "a" boss.
Ryuji Sakamoto Is Hot AF
Why ruin persona 5?
Unoriginal RUclips Name Why ruin your parents lives?
One thing I love about this raid that no one seems to be mentioning is that they give it a lore reason for you to be able to keep doing it, with the other raids somehow oryx or Aksis kept coming back even though you killed them fifty times, in this one you find out that Calus is a robot, so it doesn't matter how many times you kill him, it still makes sense that you do it
Why. The. Fuck. Did. They. Not. Put. In. A. Jumping Puzzle. Simple question
BadToTheBone-123 Gauntlet
More Casual Friendly
Because the whole damn raid is a jumping puzzle
Hey Datto. My blind raid was with a full LFG team. Only two people in our group knew each other, everyone else including me was a stranger. We struggled for somewhere around 3-4 hours on the beasts, around 2 and a half of which were spent knowing what to do, but just being unable to do it. We struggled on the beasts because we tried to focus each beast one at a time for a long while, which made the timer for how long we could be out go down, which made things tight and we often couldn't close the gap. After we decided to split up and do each beast simultaneously we still struggled for a solid hour or two because we just couldn't sneak around well enough. The problem was almost always getting spotted by the dogs and not getting enough stacks of the damage modifier to do enough damage.
I have the entirety of my first blind raid recorded. So if you want to see first hand what it was like for us, I can upload that and shoot you a link. And don't worry the footage isn't 240p.
The raid is meh
Yea I think this is the general consensus
I kinda expected to go into the mouth of the Leviathan and go deeper into the ship which would have been incredible in my opinion.
I think the whole raid is kind of a minigame with an boss as reward at the end but its not challenging...
I think the main thing that screws up the beast is that not a lot of people know how to lead the group as the majority of players are used to just following. If you do end up finding someone who knows how to lead, then it is not a problem.
1.VOG
2.wrath of the machines
3.kings fall
4.crota
Haven't played leviathan yet but I'll probably enjoy it more the kings fall I fucking hated kings fall
Makaveli_TheDon You haven't played Crota's End then.
Evan Pate if your team is good you'll love this raid
Evan Pate I hated king's balls too but after killing calus for the first time I would rather play king's balls hard mode with all challenges active in an lfg group than ever touch leviathan again. The loot system is also far worse with the raid gear not even giving raid specific benefits
I day 1 raided with a group who finished beasts about 30minutes behind Fruit and his team. What our struggle was had to do with only the timing of things. After you understood the mechanics and how to navigate the map, which albeit took a long time, it was the timing of the howls. How long until the dog's grow restless/start their howl, how long can you DPS, each phase of beasts is a time limit that isn't displayed, and killing a beast shortens that limit by some number (that matters much less now as you can 1 cycle it). The maze of flowers is whatever as they are on a set rotation, and the dogs path is simple so it's just a memory thing.
Some people are being a little dramatic. Crota was way worse than this raid. Sure it was cool but it was soooo easy. At least this raid has danger in it and that I like. BUT I will say that there should have been more BOSS fights. I think baths are cool, gauntlet is neat but pleasure gardens are god awful. So keep cool stuff and get rid of bad stuff. End discussion
I love pleasure gardens because of the stealth element. Its like the gorgons but you get to kill them
It doesn't even require that much coordination, it just requires patience. I think people feel pressured to get the stacks super quick out the gate but you have so much time to go around and carefully collect at least x60, which is more than enough for even potato players to solo their dog.
No it wasn't
cbb88dragonborn Factss dude. Crota was so easy, with Atheon being a close second
What I've found about the dogs is that if you assign dogs. Everyone runs to the dogs in random groups does damage you just take it slow. Use all three turns and it ends up being very simple. When fire teams rush and try to kill them all like you would with your clan in one phase. It generally ends poorly with randoms
Calus= Andross
Caleb Carrion I'm really fucking happy that I wasn't the only one thinking this
Caleb Carrion yeah, but not the real Calus
Our team struggled with the layout of the Beast Garden, keeping in mind it was many of our team's first time. We were assigned beasts to kill on the second phase, and many of us were disoriented when it was GO TIME. The beasts spotted the two spotters a lot too, but I'm not sure if that was a glitch or not.
The Pc release can't come quick enough v~v
Makaveli_TheDon what if this person doesn't have a console and hasn't played the game yet ? 🤔 I agree that it can't come quick enough, because I also have NOT played the game yet. I play PC only.
Makaveli_TheDon when the DLCs come out wouldn't you want to be leveled up and play them on PC since they will have the same release dates as console?
i sold my consoles to play primarily on Pc
the Gardens are hard because the Beasts are inconsistent with their detections. I had a Beast charge at me, and PUSH me, but it noticed the person 10 feet BEHIND me. They can notice you if you are in the middle of a pillar, crouched, with your TUYA. They take patience and decent communication and LFG groups are usually friends only looking for 1-2 people max, and the 'normal' group knows each other, and communicates fairly well, and the found players have to mesh with them.
Firs... I'm not a trashcan
The hard parts about the beast encounter with an LFG team is that some people don't know the dog pathing or can't seem to find their dog when it's the damage phase, leading to many wipes because one dog is still at half hp
Look at everyone trying to be edgy and say how shitty it was, this raid was great and having more encounters rather than just a bunch of boss fights was a breath of fresh air. It takes much more communication and much less time fighting a bullet sponge every encounter.
Most people say it's a shitty raid couldnt get carried throough it so they are whinning instead of actually getting good and getting a good team.
lamakicker69 Or it just wasn't fun for them? I didn't like, it was really boring and I didn't have much fun, thats all there is to it, I enjoy vault of glass style raids more. It's not bad to not like something man chill out, if you like it you like, if you don't you don't.
lamakicker69 anybody who criticizes a part in a video game are just edgy children? Gotcha, I guess anyone who complains about micro transactions or how padding the campaign is are just edgy children trying to look cool.
Typical hipster.
lamakicker69
I don't think people criticize a raid while trying to be cool...
Great review. In regards to the pleasure gardens and LFG question, I think the one biggest issue is simply map awareness. Its easy to assign a dog to a guardian, but after you get turned around 4 or 5 times you can get lost for a second and burn up valuable time trying to correct your position.
I love you datto
To answer your LFG question, though this might just be me.
My friends don't play video games (disgusting, I know), so I find myself on LFG a lot. I found a team on the raid launch day and we got to Gardens after 3 1/2 hours, but by that time everyone was beat so they quit. I tried to find another team but nobody I could find was on Gardens so I took a break too. A few days later, I got another team together and we got to Callus, but couldn't beat that because (again) people didn't have time. So this week, I got yet another team almost immediately after reset and we absolutely steamrolled the raid, Gardens included. Everyone was extremely positive and we were communicating really well. We only wiped a few times and it was awesome. So, I went to my Warlock later that night to try it out. This time, nobody wanted to communicate. Everyone was just talking over each other and making it impossible to find the spore locations. As you'd expect, we split up. Yesterday I tried yet AGAIN and had the exact same luck. Nobody would work together and we died over and over. The last time I tried it was right after that group dispersed, and things were awesome. we had 48 spores on Gardens and were waiting to move to the final one. Our ground leader ran us by a beast (we didn't get caught) but the guy on crystal got unfathomably pissed at him because... I don't know why, but he started calling him names and things of the sort, didn't shoot the spore, and killed himself repeatedly, so this team fell apart again.
The biggest issues I seem to have are 1) time commitments of random people, trying to do a raid that takes around an hour in half that time, 2) people not being able to effectively communicate and work together effectively, and 3) people's egos being so high that if things don't go their way (even if the way it happened resulted in a success) that they break a team completely apart.
It isn't just in D2 either. This happened frequently in D1, it happens in Overwatch and seemingly any other game I play.
If these things didn't happen so often, I'd be so much more inclined to play these games but the fact that they do just makes me lose my desire to do so. Thanks for reading.
PS. If anyone plays on Xbox and wants to add a seasoned player to their team/clan/whatever, add me: Bendothemailman :)
Worst Raid in Destinys history. Im a day 1 D1 player. All hard mode raids done. This is a joke of a raid.
My clan and I are seriously demotivated by this nonsense. Poor rewards/ too mechanic heavy.
northbadger I thought my clan had a decent shot, we have a great sherpa leader but you really need 6 really good players to complete it. I didn't use to mind carrying or wiping until now, it just doesn't feel like we're going to get it any time soon. I just hope your team can do it at some point
with 4 things shadow realm people need to focus on it can be really frustrating. It would be nice if there weren't projections or maybe removing the tile section.
Thank god they actually made mechanics. D1 raids were pretty hillarious bad in the world or MMO raids in terms of mechanics
northbadger lmao your team just doesn’t know how to run it i’m guessing. it’s an enjoyable raid experience minus the gauntlet because it’s so time-consuming
northbadger midnight coup and sins of the past are poor rewards? cant be that good of a player if thats what you think
Datto, on my experience with lfg on the beast garden, it's usually player error, one spore carrier is a couple of steps behind the other three and will try running, which alerts one or two of the beasts. That's all I have encountered, granted I've only had the chance to do beast garden once, and never even completed it. Another factor was timing and attacking the beasts and killing them. Granted, we didn't know killing one would decrease our time to run the next round, but this was a day after it came out.
2nd worst raid after Crota. And considering Crota is basically an extended strike I can call Leviathan the worst raid. Unfun, shit loot system, tedious mechanics, shit lore, lfg proof, just a shit raid in general. Genuinely hope they learn from this raid and never do anything like it again
TheSabotuer96 Shit lore? It's basically the overarching story of all of destiny. Don't talk out of your ass.
The lore is the one good thing about this raid. We never really knew too much about the Cabal, and now we finally know their leader and what happened between Taken King and Destiny 2. I think it was a great addition to the lore. It sucks that you have to get the guns to know the lore though.
Lol mad cuz can't finish. GG nerd
Trololol
I dunno. The non-linear format of this raid compared to that being the case for every other raid was a nice change. However, the Castello part does feel a bit overused
To answer your question Datto: The beasts can be difficult on LFG due to the fact that the communication is super vital. The prism holders need to tell their teammates where to walk to get the spore and to call out if there is a dog nearby or not. Inside the maze, there has to be at least one person leading the group and watching the front lines, actively listening to the prism holder. If your team doesn't know eachother, you won't know how to communicate as effectively. That being said, I have gotten some really good teams from LFG that breezed through the dogs with little issue due to the fact that they listened and that they knew where to stand and go when a dog was around.
Having actually completed the raid with an LFG group and not my clan, I can say the biggest issue was that there was no clear leader / shotcaller. Everybody tried to guide the others, calling better strats ect, and that was especially harmful with the beasts. So when we actually just made sure theres one or 2 shotcallers (depending on the challenge and teams), it worked out so much better. Also making sure that everybody uses the same callouts, for example some peolple called one icon axes while others went with cleavers, which caused confusion and wipes. So if youre struggling, my advice would be to make sure everybody is on the same page with starts and callouts, then define one or 2 people who manage the encounter and just do what they say. In one run I spoke maybe like 2 sentences cause more was simply not needed.
I did the pleasure gardens with an LFG group plus one of my friends and it took us about 4 hours. It was the first day so we were still learning mechanics, but after an hour we understood everything and we were all above 280 light, several of us with merciless/other powerful DPS weapons. At one point we had all the dogs at very low health and were going to finish them off on the final run, but the safe room locked with the spore group inside and there was no way to leave unless the prism holders were able to kill every dog, which was extremely frustrating because it was out of our control. I get that there shouldn't be a safe room on the last attempt, but why lock the doors if everyone has to wipe anyways? Just keep the doors open and wipe everyone based on the timer. The other times we failed were because we were either spotted too early (because of a mistake or because the dogs glitched out and went on a different path) or we weren't able to find the last dog that needed to be killed or we ran out of time with the revive timer.
I think the biggest issue I have with Leviathan is that Bungie has expressed that they want as many people as possible to experience the raid and enjoy end game content (as seen with the whole guided games thing), but it's a tall order to ask so much communication between strangers, let alone being able to actually execute each task. The Callus fight took me 11 hours over the course of 3 groups trying to finish him, and every time we failed it felt like cheap difficulty. The psions in the other dimension using their grenades to throw you over the barriers or running out of revives in the throne room with no possible way to come back. The only reason I bothered to finish the raid was because I felt like all the hours I spent on it would have been for nothing if I had quit. I honestly hated and game because of it and am dreading being forced back into the raid to get high level gear.
There's also a huge number of glitches like Callus killing everyone on a platform with no notice, the dogs suddenly extending their walking pattern or spotting a prism holder for no apparent reason, people in the other dimension passing through the barriers for no reason, having to reopen the Callus door if someone steps on the platform (not sure if it's a glitch but they should fix it).
The revive tokens and timer are the worst part of the raid: it's punishing death instead of making a mistake on the mechanics themselves, and in a raid like this where one mistake or glitch can kill you, it's way too harsh. All this combined makes it hard to believe that Bungie actually wants casual players to be able to complete this raid.
I love this raid, I understand some people don't like certain aspects of it but I love it through and through. As for beast garden experiences I haven't had any troubles but I've heard from other randoms that it mostly due to miscommunication and failure to time things correctly.
this week we found a good group on LFG and finished doing everything, including hunting for chests, under 2 hours. The Pleasure Garden encounter needs a confident and know it all runner, and you're good to go. just like Crota that everyone looked for a sword runner, you need a know it all leader in Pleasure Garden to run ahead to flowers.
Hello Datto, thank you for your work! Beasts suffer in LFG because I think there is not one particular iron clad strat that everyone has adopted yet. This leads to confused Guardians running around the forest floor and missing out on quality DPS time. I have also seen Guardians get really tripped up when returning to the safe room. Either they leave to early (leading to poor DPS) or leaving to late and getting lost or just missing the hatch (leading to unnecessary res. time).
I joined a clan of three and their friend as they were starting a fresh raid, we burned through everything up to the Gauntlet. I think the thing that made the difference was that the beasts part was explained well and I already knew a bit about the encounter thanks to your videos. The Gauntlet on the other hand was very poorly explained by another player and the other random person didn't seem to understand the encounter at all. He wound up rage quitting and the group went to do Trials. That being said I only joined to learn the raid to help my clan out this weekend when we all have time.
The only problem I run into on beasts is either they teleport in front of you or they get alerted by one of the guys up top when they jump to a platform.
I haven't finished the raid yet because of the Gardens. The main problem that definitely occurred within the garden was the crystal holders not finding and calling out the flowers fast enough. Meaning the seed holders are just not moving waiting for a call out on where to go, losing time and making it more likely to be spotted by the Beasts and losing a potential kill. Furthermore, deciding what Beast to kill is interesting, is there a good order to do it in or just try to 1/2 phase it with a 36-60x damage stack
7:52 Don't forget Crota's grand entrance! Where he taunts you with the sword
I think this raid is awesome. That feeling of taking a step back and going "woah" every time we get to a new room was brilliant. My list from D1 from least good to best would be: Crota's End, King's Fall, Vault of Glass, Wrath of the Machine, with this raid definitely being in the top half. I would need to play it more to pinpoint further, but I really enjoyed it.
As a long time destiny player as well, I have realized that this game has definitely been oriented towards all of the casual players in comparison to us grindy players. I have used lfg many times as well as done the raid with my friends. The struggles you would like ot hear about in the beast encounter is people on lfg not knowing the correct paths to take or the patterns of the dogs. Us hardcore destiny 1 players basically memorized the paths of the gorgons in vog, which allowed us to go through the gorgon’s maze with a breeze. My buddies and I were able to design a diagram with the paths through the dogs. One way I suggest you could help out those looking for clues on the beast encounter would be to design a diagram of your own with the paths we could take to each spore and make a video explaining when we go and where we wait for each spore. Also, Datto, I have been watching your videos for it seems like since day 1 of destiny, and I appreciate what you do for the Destiny community in giving us tutorials and your thoughts on what Bungie has had in store for us. Thank you.
The "Beast Encounter" failed the first 1 hour because the guardians I was guiding didn´t know the best routes and when I tried directing them through these routes they were rather hesitent. Going through our optimal team routes really helped stepping up the game. We also asigned players to certain beast locations for the damage phase. These 2 tricks made it alot easier to pull off.
In my experience so far the biggest issue with teams in the garden is the "floor leader" not knowing the map and the dog paths. For LFG if there is at least one person who has the map down he/she can lead the other three effectively through the garden to the plants but also everyone on the fireteam needs to have a good knowledge of the map for the one rotation strategy anyways
I read that cabal book that came with the collector's edition (the thing with hawthorne's bag) and I wasn't very surprised by the raid. I thought "why would Calus sacrifice any of his lieutenants for a simple test of might ?" So I wasn't surprised that there wasn't any other boss than robot Calus. Which surprised me at first I didn't think we would face him.
I feel like most disappointment comes from people who didn't know about all of this. Without that book which tells the past of Calus, how he became emperor, how he met ghaul, how he met te consul, what's the purpose of the leviathan etc...
Without all of this you can barely understand the raid. You only know that Calus rewards any one who kills the ones who betrayed him, from that adventure of Nessus.
Bungie didn't want to talk about the raid or the emperor before the raid's release and I feel like that's what caused a lot of misunderstandings and disappointments.
Why aren't Ghaul's and the consul's backstories into the damn game ? Why can't we learn how the Empire nearly died at the hands of the belligerent aristocrats and was saved by Calus in the game ?
The beasts took us 3 days to get passed. We had the mechanics down, we had the power levels, we had the gear, we had the communication. It was the bugs that got us every time. The dogs glitching inside the safe room, then randomly sprinting to places they don't normally go when no one is around. Them spotting players when we're in the safe room and they're back was facing us. Finding players on top, finding players when they are standing still not in the FOV. Just so many things.
I think that a lot of the complaint comes from the fact that this is much more team based then previous raids. Like for KF, you say everyones position beforehand, and then there are only a few calls you have to make when you need to change positions and it's dependent on each player doing their job. Now, its dependent on each player working with others to do the job. Arguably baths is pretty self based, but the rest requires so much coordination, that it's hard for randoms to get in and get it done easy peasy (most of the time).
I just watched a full >1min ad because I love you Datto.
Revisiting history here, wasn’t one of the Nessus missions really the setup for this? I thought that was cool, cabal raining down preparing Nessus to be consumed by the ship…
I think they missed an opportunity for a new social space. The whole theme is that Calus is inviting people to compete, and people are worthy are rewarded. They could have had a lovely social space where you turn in your tokens, access your vault, etc... I love that it's poised to be expanded if they want, they could easily add another encounter down the line without actually ruining the feel of the raid, or as has been noted, change the order of the encounters.
It is a fun raid. Something different. Glad to see Datto takes the time to analyze it in-depth, unlike others who just outright write it off generically as a 'bad raid'.
So far my teams haven't had any trouble on the beasts after we started using your callouts for spore locations. My teams always had trouble with the gauntlet. That part alone took us 6 hours last week for just forgetting psions or not shooting the correct triangles fast enough or not running fast enough on the final phase.
Apart from the very concise communication needed for Pleasure Gardens to go smoothly, one recurring issue we had was that sometimes our Prism runners simply weren't fast enough after the safe room opened, we'd all have the Spores and waiting for them to do call outs, and often times we could see where we should be going before they could call out. One of our Prism runners was/is kind of derpy too, sometimes he'd just forget to call out until we were yelling at him, and by the time we got to the flowers on his side they'd despawn. He'd also forget to kill his Centurion that'd spawn pretty much every time, which was kind of a pain.
For me, personally, the biggest issue I had as a runner was getting lost after about 3-4 stack grabs, and having no fucking clue where my dog was(we were trying to one phase every time) so when the DPS phase would start, I'd have to visually see the safe room in order to know where I was supposed to go. It never caused a wipe or anything, but I felt slightly inefficient as a result. I'm sure the more I do the raid the more comfortable/familiar with the room I'll become and eventually it won't be an issue at all, but it was definitely giving me a headache on day one.
Their is that one person who keeps alerting the dogs