I’m just ending the 4th series of Heaven Bent. Been listening all day. Again, as a “never-in” and never a charismatic I had no clue the depth of all this. I’m shaken to the core. My blessings to you, Sierra. You’ve carried a burden that none of us was meant to bear.
Sorry Sierra you went through that. I went through 7 years of that as well in my younger years. It is rampant in the body of Christ not only at IHOP. Unfortunately, these types of experiences can distort your view of who God really is, but the longer you're away from that environment, it does get better. As the Holy Spirit heals those wounds, you'll begin to discover who God really is and who you are in Him and not the distorted view. There was a period of time where I didn't want to go to church or be involved in ministry. I just wanted to know Him without the interference from people with agendas. Don't turn away, but turn into Him. 💗
The thing I can really relate with in this video is how nice it would be if it could have been just a bunch of people just doing something they love to do, like she said "Let's start a prayer room because it's cool." I remember Misty Edwards saying something like that a long time ago. It's too bad everything got so messed up there. I have refused to have anything to do with organized religion for a long time since I left that place, or I guess I should say I was forced to leave that place. Still hasn't changed my relationship with God and how I feel about Him. Still have the burning, beautiful presence of the Holy Spirit that tickles and heals my heart. I still miss just soaking in His presence in the Prayer Room...too bad it was so messed up concerning the rest of it.
Sierra you are a smart young lady...very capable. You will be fine. Getting sucked into a cult has nothing to do with intelligence. Its simply a matter of timing. God Bless you my young friend.
Praise God that these things are coming out and more and more truth is being known. The Misty thing is extremely shocking.. you will heal and you will want to worship again
I am not rejoicing that the Misty stuff came out, just so we're clear. There are complexities to that situation that are not being considered by people who do not understand the elements that played into the situation regarding trauma, power dynamics, blackmail, etcetera
I’m so sorry you had to go through this! You will be a strong woman of God and you will grow from this and be more aware of the ugly stuff in churches! Be healed and move forward in Jesus name🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You have been traumatized and abused. Until what happened to YOU is taken seriously nothing will EVER change in these types of Groups. I was in one 50 years ago. I was YOU. The control and trauma and abuse are so far reaching there are thousands of Christians who have been destroyed. Leaders and fellow Christian’s currently can’t or won’t even agree wether a woman has been sexually assaulted let alone all of the others behind the scenes left in silence and obscurity the rest of their lives. There is way more going on than just sexual abuse by a few leaders on a few women. 50 years later and I still feel the same way you do. Waiting for vindication and healing for the wounded as the church goes back to business as usual. Hoping this time there is enough exposure through media attention and online advocates like you that this IHOPKC “thing” doesn’t just end up like all the others that have been covered up, with ALL victims silenced and shunned and cast out while they move on to fresh meat and new territory. All with “Gods”Blessing and the support of their LOYAL followers and friends.
I watched it live and I was frustrated by a lot of it, they should have talked to the women in the advocacy group. A lot of what they out forward propped up the "perfect victim" concept which makes it harder for victims to feel safe reporting. I'm frustrated by it, to be honest! But I still think it was worth watching.
Godly spiritual leaders will lay down on the foundation of Christ and lift up the saints. Their place is to be below and sacrificial. It means giving one's life for the sheep as a true shepherd. May you be healed.
They twisted what real spiritual authority is, but spiritual authority won’t be without them being under authority as well there it’s like checks and balances, and they didn’t have any as the leadership there please don’t throw out all teachings on spiritual authority just because someone abused it. Spiritual authority should also be from people who are also under authority. It doesn’t mean they get to have free reign in your life.
Dera sister in Christ, I'm so sorry this happened to you and your friends! It doesn't matter if a pastor, spiritual leader, friend, stranger, youtube channel says something, we are ALWAYS to test the spirits: "Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1 kjv) We are to pray and ask Jesus for guidance and not to just accept what anyone says just because we assume they are following Jesus because they say so. These leaders probably forgot to mention this scripture, and if they dared anyone to question their authority through intimidation and domination; that leader is guilty as practicing witchcraft. Jesus came to set the captives free which includes such evilness disguised as Christian groups etc. I pray the truth is ALL REVEALED, in Jesus name! Amen!
Jesus said something interesting to the supposedly spiritual leaders (authorities over) of the Jews of his day: "You (the supposed spiritual leaders) DO ERR..." "...do err?" How??? "... not (really knowing, tho you think you do) the scriptures nor the power (spiritual authority) of God (so you seek to implement your own carnal authority over your brethren)..." And remember when the 12 were arguing with one another over who among them was going to be "head disciple" once Jesus was gone? He scolded them - "Quit thinking like the heathen, for they love and seek to have dominion and control over others, and those 'under' them are called benefactors (supposedly 'blessed' to be under their authority). It IS NOT TO BE THIS WAY among. Who will be the greatest is he who seeks to faithfully and hunbly serve his brothers..." Selah. We (my wife and I) came into our cult very young in the Lord, myself right after conversion. We were both single at the time. It was only after being delivered from this situation (because I was no longer under 'witchcraft) that the Holy Spirit could speak to me: "Now take off your 'cult-glasses' and start reading the Bible through My eyes..." As I did my "Christianity" begin to be revolutionized...and so it continues to be some 30+ years later as the Holy Spirits continues to unfold and expound the sacred writings to me. 🙌 Read for yourselves Peter's views on elders (pastors, overseers). It is evident that Jesus had taught Him well - 1 Peter 5: "The elders among you, I exhort, being one myself. Tend (nurture, guard, guide) the flock that is among you (remembering that you are but a sheep yourself), not because you feel forced to or because you see financial gain in it, but eagerly and cheerfully (desire to serve your brethren), NOT DOMINEERING (as arrogant, dictatorial and overbearing) over those you feel responsible for, BUT BY BEING EXAMPLES (patterns and models of true Christ-like living) to the flock (of Christ, not yours)..." That is from Amplified Bible. KJV says: "...NOT AS LORDS OVER God's heritage (not your flock or congregation), BUT BY BEING EXAMPLES (in every way) to Jesus' flock..." 🤔 🙏 ❤️ 🙌 🤔 May we ALL follow the examples of the Bereans who "searched (for themselves) daily, to see if it (the things being taight them about Christ and His church) were really true or not..." Selah again
It needs to be NAMED a cult, not for cruel reasons, but to protect dear people. 💔
I’m just ending the 4th series of Heaven Bent. Been listening all day. Again, as a “never-in” and never a charismatic I had no clue the depth of all this. I’m shaken to the core. My blessings to you, Sierra. You’ve carried a burden that none of us was meant to bear.
Sorry Sierra you went through that. I went through 7 years of that as well in my younger years. It is rampant in the body of Christ not only at IHOP. Unfortunately, these types of experiences can distort your view of who God really is, but the longer you're away from that environment, it does get better. As the Holy Spirit heals those wounds, you'll begin to discover who God really is and who you are in Him and not the distorted view. There was a period of time where I didn't want to go to church or be involved in ministry. I just wanted to know Him without the interference from people with agendas. Don't turn away, but turn into Him. 💗
The thing I can really relate with in this video is how nice it would be if it could have been just a bunch of people just doing something they love to do, like she said "Let's start a prayer room because it's cool." I remember Misty Edwards saying something like that a long time ago. It's too bad everything got so messed up there. I have refused to have anything to do with organized religion for a long time since I left that place, or I guess I should say I was forced to leave that place. Still hasn't changed my relationship with God and how I feel about Him. Still have the burning, beautiful presence of the Holy Spirit that tickles and heals my heart. I still miss just soaking in His presence in the Prayer Room...too bad it was so messed up concerning the rest of it.
Sorry you had to go through all that!
Sierra you are a smart young lady...very capable. You will be fine. Getting sucked into a cult has nothing to do with intelligence. Its simply a matter of timing. God Bless you my young friend.
Also to add to this this is the time God is expoising everything even the churches!
This is patriarchy at it's finest. The fact that they could just let themselves into your house was an assault to your privacy and agency.
Praise God that these things are coming out and more and more truth is being known. The Misty thing is extremely shocking.. you will heal and you will want to worship again
I am not rejoicing that the Misty stuff came out, just so we're clear. There are complexities to that situation that are not being considered by people who do not understand the elements that played into the situation regarding trauma, power dynamics, blackmail, etcetera
@@SieNoel That is kind and I feel a proper response, thanks for being who you are!
I’m so sorry you had to go through this! You will be a strong woman of God and you will grow from this and be more aware of the ugly stuff in churches! Be healed and move forward in Jesus name🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You have been traumatized and abused. Until what happened to YOU is taken seriously nothing will EVER change in these types of Groups. I was in one 50 years ago. I was YOU. The control and trauma and abuse are so far reaching there are thousands of Christians who have been destroyed. Leaders and fellow Christian’s currently can’t or won’t even agree wether a woman has been sexually assaulted let alone all of the others behind the scenes left in silence and obscurity the rest of their lives. There is way more going on than just sexual abuse by a few leaders on a few women.
50 years later and I still feel the same way you do. Waiting for vindication and healing for the wounded as the church goes back to business as usual.
Hoping this time there is enough exposure through media attention and online advocates like you that this IHOPKC “thing” doesn’t just end up like all the others that have been covered up, with ALL victims silenced and shunned and cast out while they move on to fresh meat and new territory. All with “Gods”Blessing and the support of their LOYAL followers and friends.
New video released I encourage you to watch it IHOP A house divided... It's on RUclips
I watched it live and I was frustrated by a lot of it, they should have talked to the women in the advocacy group. A lot of what they out forward propped up the "perfect victim" concept which makes it harder for victims to feel safe reporting. I'm frustrated by it, to be honest! But I still think it was worth watching.
Godly spiritual leaders will lay down on the foundation of Christ and lift up the saints. Their place is to be below and sacrificial. It means giving one's life for the sheep as a true shepherd. May you be healed.
They twisted what real spiritual authority is, but spiritual authority won’t be without them being under authority as well there it’s like checks and balances, and they didn’t have any as the leadership there please don’t throw out all teachings on spiritual authority just because someone abused it. Spiritual authority should also be from people who are also under authority. It doesn’t mean they get to have free reign in your life.
Dera sister in Christ, I'm so sorry this happened to you and your friends! It doesn't matter if a pastor, spiritual leader, friend, stranger, youtube channel says something, we are ALWAYS to test the spirits:
"Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1 kjv)
We are to pray and ask Jesus for guidance and not to just accept what anyone says just because we assume they are following Jesus because they say so. These leaders probably forgot to mention this scripture, and if they dared anyone to question their authority through intimidation and domination; that leader is guilty as practicing witchcraft. Jesus came to set the captives free which includes such evilness disguised as Christian groups etc. I pray the truth is ALL REVEALED, in Jesus name! Amen!
Jesus said something interesting to the supposedly spiritual leaders (authorities over) of the Jews of his day:
"You (the supposed spiritual leaders) DO ERR..." "...do err?" How???
"... not (really knowing, tho you think you do) the scriptures nor the power (spiritual authority) of God (so you seek to implement your own carnal authority over your brethren)..."
And remember when the 12 were arguing with one another over who among them was going to be "head disciple" once Jesus was gone?
He scolded them - "Quit thinking like the heathen, for they love and seek to have dominion and control over others, and those 'under' them are called benefactors (supposedly 'blessed' to be under their authority). It IS NOT TO BE THIS WAY among. Who will be the greatest is he who seeks to faithfully and hunbly serve his brothers..." Selah.
We (my wife and I) came into our cult very young in the Lord, myself right after conversion. We were both single at the time. It was only after being delivered from this situation (because I was no longer under 'witchcraft) that the Holy Spirit could speak to me:
"Now take off your 'cult-glasses' and start reading the Bible through My eyes..."
As I did my "Christianity" begin to be revolutionized...and so it continues to be some 30+ years later as the Holy Spirits continues to unfold and expound the sacred writings to me. 🙌
Read for yourselves Peter's views on elders (pastors, overseers). It is evident that Jesus had taught Him well - 1 Peter 5:
"The elders among you, I exhort, being one myself. Tend (nurture, guard, guide) the flock that is among you (remembering that you are but a sheep yourself), not because you feel forced to or because you see financial gain in it, but eagerly and cheerfully (desire to serve your brethren), NOT DOMINEERING (as arrogant, dictatorial and overbearing) over those you feel responsible for, BUT BY BEING EXAMPLES (patterns and models of true Christ-like living) to the flock (of Christ, not yours)..."
That is from Amplified Bible. KJV says:
"...NOT AS LORDS OVER God's heritage (not your flock or congregation), BUT BY BEING EXAMPLES (in every way) to Jesus' flock..."
🤔 🙏 ❤️ 🙌 🤔
May we ALL follow the examples of the Bereans who "searched (for themselves) daily, to see if it (the things being taight them about Christ and His church) were really true or not..." Selah again