Sweet Jesus. I watched for 33 minutes and THEN he drops the “Kent Hovind” bomb as his source for evidence... The US might not have a monopoly on idiocy, but damn you guys run a good race.
J Mal it’s a sacrifice because he went thru pain that no mortal man would ever be able to handle and knew that was gonna happen and still went with it. Sacrifice is the act of giving up something you wanted to keep to help someone or get something out of it. If a person sacrificed something he didn’t really care for in the first place would that even be a sacrifice?
Holy shit your level headedness, patience and well worded questions are very enjoyable to watch and impressive. I appreciate your videos man, great job!
You were having such a hard time getting started. It was a bit clumsy in the beginning. I know street epistemology is tricky stuff and takes a lot of practice. But by the end you were firing on all cylinders. The last question was absolute perfection. Brilliant.
As an educator, I love that this ended on a question that was left unanswered!!! That will likely cause an urge for reflection and learning! It may not be an ideal resolution if he only pursues answers from his preferred sources, but it will be there. Nicely done!
"I lost my wife last year... and I married my new wife last year..." "Hey kids, I've got some terrible news...your mothers dead. But I've also got some good news... I'm getting married!" God does, indeed, work in mysterious ways.
portaccio I had to rewind as soon as he said that to make sure I heard it right. I’ve watched enough ID channel to wonder who was the benefactor on her life insurance policy
Maybe she died in January and his second wife helped him through the tragedy and so he married her in december. If he had said "I lost my wife 2 years ago and got married again last year," it could just as well be that he lost his wife in december and got married next month. At the age this man is at, people tend to rush decisions like this on account of their fear of time passing.
I almost didn't watch this one, since it was so long, but I am glad I did! This was probably the most fascinating SE I've ever seen. I can see why you are a little self-deprecating in the blurb above, since David didn't make any progress in evaluating his own beliefs, but it was a fascinating discussion nonetheless. He had a stock response for every single question, even if his answer didn't begin to address the question you had posed. I felt like I could make a bingo card of logical fallacies and fill the whole board by the time your talk was finished. I would love to sit down with my religious relatives and watch this together to see what they would have to say about it. Good work.
I only drink water and everything else is bad for you.... sniff.. nope; never tried milk, tea or juice - they bad. Interesting logic, and seeing myself the way others view this man.
To be fair, from his perspective there is no need to consider the other religions. His holy book says that that religion is the only true one. Since to him, that is as much of a fact as gravity, there is no logical contradiction there. The issue is instead with the basis for having such a high degree of confidence in his belief.
@@MyMusics101 True. But gravity is universal.. You can't go to Africa or Asia and tell the people there that gravity does not exist. With christianity or any other religion are just a regional thing / belief.. You will never see people saying that my gravity is better than your gravity.. lol
If we are only held accountable for "sin" after we hear the word, then the most merciful thing and the thing that would get the most people to heaven, seems to me to be to destroy all evidence of the religion and never talk about it again.
I realized at about 45:00 that you kept calmly and respectfully coming back to some version of the essential question, "Would that be a good method for determining if it (the claim in question) is true?" I picked up on that when he started to leave and you asked that question for something like the 4th or 5th time. But you weren't confrontational or rude - just inquisitive. So I kept watching and things really got interesting. The whole "deconfirmation" thing really turned this conversation into SE dynamite. And then this very lovely, gentle, pleasant man stopped making sense. And when you asked him, "Why do you think the Ark wasn't filled with babies?" you could almost see his foundations tremble. You're good. I'm glad I found this SE channel.
Doesn't it seem inescapable that God doesn't even expect perfection from himself? He must've seen The Downfall of Man® coming, correct? Was that a feature or a bug? Somehow, these various theistic cogs appear to have some logical grit gumming up the works.
@@ockhamsrazr1856 I am not a bible verse kind of guy, but I am quite sure that these transgressions are somewhere in the NT. 1) Thought Crimes: Anger, Lust, Coveting. These are the main reason why no human escapes without sin, as it is nearly impossible to avoid any of these if not all of them. If you anger, you commit murder in your heart (Jesus and turning over the money changer's tables in the temple), if you want something someone else owns, you covet, committing theft in your heart (Jesus "needing" the mother and colt before coming into the city. He couldn't walk?), and if you lust, you commit adultery in your heart (Jesus was a male even though thoughts of lust were not mentioned in the NT, so no escaping this one). If Jesus was 100% human, then he should be responsible for these very human sins.
What if i am unconvinced by the message (John 3:17 according to David), is it really on me? What if the means of delivery of the message is questionable? What if the person delivering the message is ineffective at doing so? What if the claims seem dubious and problematic at worst and questionable and unrelatable at best? How is it on me? Thoughts, anyone?
My favourite question is; "If I told you I saw a vision of god, how would you know I was telling the truth, What questions would you ask and what answers would convince you that god had really appeared to me?" follow ups include, how would they recognise god vs how would they recognise a delusion? and why do they believe the vision claims in the bible if they could not reliably trust their own vision.
I have talked to quite a few believers online. I've tried to use this method. What I have found is that believers have a very difficult time focusing on the "why" they believe. They very often shift to "what" they believe. Very interesting phenomenon.
You had some awesome questions in this interview. I love the part where you pressed him on what would be a deconfirmation. It really showed his lack of objectivity. Also, great ending! "I don't know, I never thought about that".
Street Knowledge thanks Raul! Some feedback from a fellow SEer. Do you feel like the second half definitely strayed away from SE, and thus is a type of failure, or is it something else(following the IL while being honest). The reason I ask is I kinda felt like I switched into debate mode, but with questions. I wasn’t sure it was a good example of SE, but that ending ultimately led to me to post it.
Deep Discussions It did start sounding a little more like counter apologetics toward the end. The questions were a little more loaded. I don't fault you for it. I think at that point you earned the right to be a little more open about your own views. You were very patient.
This was incredibly impressive altogether. Patience is one way. Wow! Hey I really enjoyed what you did and how you did it. Anthony is the only SE I've seen, so its really cool to see someone else do this and in a fashion that makes anger almost always nonexistent.
I don't think this man answered ONE question. It almost seems as though when christians are asked something, it's cue for them to start preaching. They either don't want to answer these questions or they know where they will lead so they avoid it. Great video btw. I love your style and you asked some really good questions. Thank you for sharing it!
You have an impressive level of patience and some killer questions to boot. SE is simple to learn but the amount of people with the mind set to do it effectively is woefully small. Keep on doing what your doing sir, your a rare commodity.
That laugh after David tries once again to use the fear tactic of hell on Eddie was very disturbing. One of the reasons he brought up over and over for OTHER religions deconfirmations was their use of the fear tactic. If it wasn't so mean and sick and sado-masochistic it would almost be funny how he doesn't see this double standard. His indoctrination has crippled his critical thinking skills and poisoned his morality to an alarming degree.
I asked a pastor what happens to the good people that don't know about Jesus when they die. He said the same thing as this guy, you need to hear and reject the word in order to be condemned. I said to him if that is the case the worst thing you could do to a good non believer is share the gospel message.
@9:00 False. It has been proven that Josephus’ one reference to Jesus which mentions miracles is an interpolation. Josephus in no way records “all of the events” nor would he ever say the things Christians have tried to attribute to him saying as he was a Jew and not a a Christian. Edit* this is great by the way! Keep this up I learned a lot.
The Ex Christian thank and that is the exact term scholars use. Only a Christian would write in that way. Calling a man a god is a huge problem in Judaism. And we would have known if Josephus converted to Christianity and he did not.
52:50 I was wondering how long it would take this guy to finally get to what he was dying to say the whole time: You either believe in my version of god, or you will go to hell!
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 NIV Just a peaceful message from their leader. Because theirs is the only peaceful religion.
Wow it is impossible to find others doing street epistemology in the RUclips search algorithm. This is my first video and i am proud of your approach, however David may have gained alot of insight by possibly repeating the questions back to himself. Thankful for you and the ministry and i hope that you are well!
I ask: If your child came to you and said they no longer wanted to be around you or part of your family...would you throw them in a lake of fire (they answer no)...then why does your loving God do it.
I think people in the comments are a bit rough with him. Sure, he doesn't have any arguments and is just quoting the bible, but he wasn't agressive in any way, was open to the discussion and the questions and left admiting something doesn't add up. I think it was a successful conversation.
I feel for David. This is probably the very first time he's had to grapple with questions about his faith without getting into a heated debate. It must be shocking to go away with the questions ringing in his head.
Yeah, not remotely. He mentioned some members of the death cult. Then someone wrote some things in his book many years later, trying to attribute them to Josephus.
The official position of biblical scholars on Josephus is his writings on Jesus were interpolated. Meaning someone added some material Josephus never wrote. No Jewish person would ever have written those things. And he never converted to Christianity. This person has never read what the historians have written about Jesus. It’s literally only a few pages. Anybody could read it in a few minutes
Yea, he might of vaguely mentioned someone who could be vaguely interpreted as jesus, in a passing statement. But I don't think that even happened, just grasping at straws.
It took him the whole time for him to say i don't know at the last question. Frustrating that he couldn't answer some of the questions straight and wandered off into bible quotes but you could almost see the switch in him flick over from the answer he couldn't think about to the answer that he used to hold the belief.
Awesome job. I only talk about religion if someone starts trying to preach to me. I live in Texas so that's normal. I will use so many of the questions you brought up.
he spends the first 21 minutes repeatedly saying that none of the other religions are as good, the followers dont follow their texts, christianity is unlike all religions. then he says, "ive never studied another religion"
I may have missed it, but did you ask him if the foundations he mentioned were demonstrated to be false whether he would still have as high of a confidence as he does?
You've got to be shitting me....47:10 Loosely quoted "After you died and you found yourself in front of some other god and it said I gave you every chance to believe in me, but you didn't...then he cast you out".....would that be fair....and he answered yes. FFS you've got to be kidding me.
@@brewhouse6160 You will need to elaborate. Atheism only tells someone that I don't believe in god's existence, it says absolutely nothing about what I do believe. Oddly enough, You and I probably believe in many of the same things
Sunrayn maybe so, I just hate when people assume that they know what a Christian believes is far fetched but when you press them they actually don’t have a understanding of it, what I would say is far fetched in the atheist views is that everything came from nothing for one.
@@brewhouse6160 The belief that atheists believe "Everything came from nothing" is a non-starter Christian argument. The philosophical "nothing" that professional apologists use, is projecting Christian beliefs onto atheists. The philosophical "nothing" that everything came from is actually the same "nothing" that Christians believe existed before god spoke it into existence. When physicists use the word "nothing" they are talking about an entirely different usage of the word. For example, if I held my empty hand out to you, palm up, would you say I was holding "nothing"?
Our local, state, and federal governments are full of these people writing laws. That is the scary part. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from this but when the President of the United States refers to the Constitution as "phony" we are doomed.
Overall, a good interview, but seemed like a difficult interview, as there seemed to be a lot of programmed answers rather than responding directly to the questions. I'm just curious, is Deep Discussions affiliated with Anthony Magnabosco?
SOME CREDIT has to go to the preacher for finally admitting he doesn’t know (final question). In my opinion that takes a lot of gumption for someone in a profession where you’re meant to have all the answers. He could have said something redundant and dishonest like ‘... because it wasn’t God’s will’ but he chose to finally be honest.
"I've never studied another religion..." *makes declarative statements about every other religion on earth* I yearn for the patience of street epistemology. Truly. I would be so frustrated in wanting to start debating. This is a wonderful test of patience. Ah, yes, I see you fell into the debate trap later on. I think it tests the SE individual more than the faithful through a trial ahahaha
27:00 the captions there are really well stated. I had the same thought, but using his own words to explain how he would object to his own beliefs had he put two and two together was admittedly cool to hear. But I agree, for the purposes of street epistemology, pointing that out to him could have ended in defensiveness.
This was painful to watch. He’s invested YEARS into learning about the bible but apparently spent no time thinking about if it makes sense and internalizing it. My evidence of that is his constant use of canned platitudes and sayings pulled from the bible that often don’t even map to the question posed. His answers to questions must come from the sayings he’s learned and memorized from the bible and not from introspection and logical deductions.
Terry Rogers I don’t think he has read the Bible. He picks & chooses the cozy stories, lol whatever that means, and doesn’t really care if they are true or not. Damn scary!
@@laurieauld7687 I agree. I'd wager relatively few people have read the bible cover to cover, even very religious people. It's a pretty boring book. Now, Muslims... at least many of them will not only read the whole Quran, but actually memorize most, if not all of it. While I can't attest to the soundness of the teachings contained in it, at least when speaking with a devout Muslim, they will most likely actually KNOW their book thoroughly.
I started watching this whilst bursting my teeth, so I wasn't looking at it, and if I had to guess I would have said it was Jim Halpert speaking as the interviewer.
"What would you say was the best example of god working in your life?" "Well, no one heard the gunshots, no one saw the blood, and no one found my first wife's body. That's god protecting me"
"God the son died to please his father". What kind of being would require the death of his son for his own pleasure? The foundation of Christianity is that of human sacrifice, and is immoral.
You say "lot's of mistakes" but I thought you ended on point. I'm not yet educated in SE so perhaps it's not a good demonstration (I couldn't say) , but you were incredibly patient and if anything I am sure that you made this preacher think about things christianity fails to see. "Why the ark was not full of babies" was genius!
This is why SE is so hard for me. How do you hear someone say something about the Noachian Flood and let them walk away believing that there's any evidence for that? Your self discipline is very admirable.
An idea that could have helped with the defensiveness, would it be useful to acknowledge that the belief itself isn't under attack? Something like "oh, no I'm not trying to make you question your faith, I'm just trying to find out the underlying method..." And/or validating that you've heard their belief early on? A lot of cults (and quite some churches) use the tactic of equating questioning with attack which can put people in defensive mode and lock down both in the moment but also later. Reassuring them might help keep the window open a little longer
That seems like lying. Focusing on the method helps to foster openness, but if doing so causes doubt, and therefore some defensiveness, there’s not much you can do. Maybe something like this. “I’m not trying to prove your belief wrong. I’m trying to see if the way you reached your conclusion is reliable, and if not, is there a more reliable method we could use.”
@@deepdiscussions5728 You might be right, I'm not well versed in the applications of the method. I'm more familiar with other active inquiry methods, where validation is commonly a tool to establish safety, and help put posturing needs to rest. Also, I'm not implying lying, you could change the words in any way as long as you reassure what is being questioned and what is not.
Ugh this was painful to watch. I know David. Not him personally, my David was named Robert. Despite all the lip service he gives to having found 'truth,' his strategy of dodging questions by reiterating his beliefs indicates that for him this conversation is about something entirely different than truth. I would love to see those real reasons brought out somehow. Like, what is really at stake for him that keeps him subverting every question that even remotely challenges his beliefs?
That's a nice , be a shame if something happened to it. The definition of extortion... god is a mafia godfather. David has a very distorted view of what love is.
@@teresamcmud2605 lol, "The way, The truth and The LIGHT", not LIFE. It's a common mis-quote by people who profess to be lifelong, devout Christians. Or should i say "lightlong"😁
Great talk! Love the videos, but [attempted constructive criticism to follow] the audio levels could use some work. Very difficult to hear the preacher man. Keep it up, though! We need more people like you!
Sweet Jesus. I watched for 33 minutes and THEN he drops the “Kent Hovind” bomb as his source for evidence...
The US might not have a monopoly on idiocy, but damn you guys run a good race.
Wow, as an American i can say this guy is embarrassing. It looks like we've taken stupidity and made it weapons grade.
The guy asking the questions is American also.
If only the US had a monopoly on this kind of idiocy. The US has a ton of it, but (unfortunately) this crap is all over the world.
It's tough listening to this guy. He'll believe any BS someone feeds him and there's multitudes of them running round here.
You aren't even scraping the barrel of team america. Contenders like Ken Ham or Ray Comfort are the true prime nags of the apologist horse race.
"My god died for me" and then got up and walked away - that's why he's such a wonderful fellow
Sorry. But there is not God!!!
J Mal it’s a sacrifice because he went thru pain that no mortal man would ever be able to handle and knew that was gonna happen and still went with it. Sacrifice is the act of giving up something you wanted to keep to help someone or get something out of it. If a person sacrificed something he didn’t really care for in the first place would that even be a sacrifice?
@@noreligion76 Sorry you haven't got proof to say there is no God
@@gustavmahler1466 You haven't got proof to say there isn't a tea pot circling Jupiter. Proof is only relevant in the field of mathematics.
@@SavageHenry777 That got nothing do with god's existence who cares if a tea pot circling Jupiter
Holy shit your level headedness, patience and well worded questions are very enjoyable to watch and impressive. I appreciate your videos man, great job!
God bless you for your patience
@@markash12 lol
That ending was awesome and the whole hour-long conversation was worth it just for him to say these last words. I m so glad I watched the whole thing.
It always trips me out how these people still think they are informing us on the subject.
You were having such a hard time getting started. It was a bit clumsy in the beginning. I know street epistemology is tricky stuff and takes a lot of practice. But by the end you were firing on all cylinders. The last question was absolute perfection. Brilliant.
As an educator, I love that this ended on a question that was left unanswered!!! That will likely cause an urge for reflection and learning! It may not be an ideal resolution if he only pursues answers from his preferred sources, but it will be there. Nicely done!
"I lost my wife last year... and I married my new wife last year..."
"Hey kids, I've got some terrible news...your mothers dead. But I've also got some good news... I'm getting married!"
God does, indeed, work in mysterious ways.
portaccio I had to rewind as soon as he said that to make sure I heard it right. I’ve watched enough ID channel to wonder who was the benefactor on her life insurance policy
Maybe she died in January and his second wife helped him through the tragedy and so he married her in december. If he had said "I lost my wife 2 years ago and got married again last year," it could just as well be that he lost his wife in december and got married next month. At the age this man is at, people tend to rush decisions like this on account of their fear of time passing.
haha. That's what I thought too!
The fact that this is included in his introduction upon meeting a stranger with cameras everywhere. Wow.
😂
This must be one of the best form of empathetic dialogue, where the other person is not attacked rather explored in the mind.
At around 1045 when he keeps dodging your question, could you have asked him to repeat your question to make sure he understands what you are asking?
Ancient Warrior Yes! Great question. Thanks!
He made a quick exit when there was an "I don't know" answer.
SyphusBatterus Reflecting can be scary for some.
I almost didn't watch this one, since it was so long, but I am glad I did! This was probably the most fascinating SE I've ever seen. I can see why you are a little self-deprecating in the blurb above, since David didn't make any progress in evaluating his own beliefs, but it was a fascinating discussion nonetheless. He had a stock response for every single question, even if his answer didn't begin to address the question you had posed. I felt like I could make a bingo card of logical fallacies and fill the whole board by the time your talk was finished. I would love to sit down with my religious relatives and watch this together to see what they would have to say about it. Good work.
David admits he never studied other religions, and yet he knows for sure that others are just plain wrong!!!
I only drink water and everything else is bad for you.... sniff.. nope; never tried milk, tea or juice - they bad. Interesting logic, and seeing myself the way others view this man.
Ya his summation of other religions represented no religions it’s bonkers
To be fair, from his perspective there is no need to consider the other religions. His holy book says that that religion is the only true one. Since to him, that is as much of a fact as gravity, there is no logical contradiction there. The issue is instead with the basis for having such a high degree of confidence in his belief.
@@MyMusics101 True.
But gravity is universal.. You can't go to Africa or Asia and tell the people there that gravity does not exist.
With christianity or any other religion are just a regional thing / belief..
You will never see people saying that my gravity is better than your gravity..
lol
Eddie: "Why do you think the Ark wasnt full of babies?"
Preacher:
"I dont know i never thought of that before."
If we are only held accountable for "sin" after we hear the word, then the most merciful thing and the thing that would get the most people to heaven, seems to me to be to destroy all evidence of the religion and never talk about it again.
It took him an hour to say "I don't know" once
Why did his imagined god have to kill all the other animals as well?
Have you ever been on an airplane with children? They're annoying as hell.
At least the conversation got to a place where he was able to say “I don’t know.” That’s when people start to learn.
As soon as someone says, “the Bible says” the discussion is ended.
not to mention KENT HOVIND.....I LOL'd all over myself when he mentions KH!!!!
Indeed it is the circular reasoning fallacy
Isn't the part of the point of street epistemology to allow them that but then dig into whether that's a valid way to determine something 100%?
@@Simonchez Sounds right, but if they keep repeating that like a broken record there is prob no further progress to be made at that point
@@benwil6048 not necessarily true. don’t forget that although this a dialogue, others may watch these videos and it may get them to think.
I realized at about 45:00 that you kept calmly and respectfully coming back to some version of the essential question, "Would that be a good method for determining if it (the claim in question) is true?" I picked up on that when he started to leave and you asked that question for something like the 4th or 5th time. But you weren't confrontational or rude - just inquisitive.
So I kept watching and things really got interesting. The whole "deconfirmation" thing really turned this conversation into SE dynamite. And then this very lovely, gentle, pleasant man stopped making sense. And when you asked him, "Why do you think the Ark wasn't filled with babies?" you could almost see his foundations tremble. You're good. I'm glad I found this SE channel.
I wonder if this over confident guy realizes how unconvincing and how dogmatic and delusional he is?
almost certainly not
That's the point of Street Epistemology.
Not only does he not realize it but every Christian that listens will agree with his "logic"
This is what an untested mind becomes.
How does that make sense...
"God expects perfection, which is why he had to send his son"
A perfect maker does not make imperfect things.
Doesn't it seem inescapable that God doesn't even expect perfection from himself? He must've seen The Downfall of Man® coming, correct? Was that a feature or a bug? Somehow, these various theistic cogs appear to have some logical grit gumming up the works.
Plus, with respect of sinning, Christ wasn't perfect. There are places in the bible where Jesus sins.
@@david2869
You're proving my point.
@@david2869 OOH! How positively heretical! Care to name a verse or two?
@@ockhamsrazr1856 I am not a bible verse kind of guy, but I am quite sure that these transgressions are somewhere in the NT.
1) Thought Crimes: Anger, Lust, Coveting. These are the main reason why no human escapes without sin, as it is nearly impossible to avoid any of these if not all of them. If you anger, you commit murder in your heart (Jesus and turning over the money changer's tables in the temple), if you want something someone else owns, you covet, committing theft in your heart (Jesus "needing" the mother and colt before coming into the city. He couldn't walk?), and if you lust, you commit adultery in your heart (Jesus was a male even though thoughts of lust were not mentioned in the NT, so no escaping this one). If Jesus was 100% human, then he should be responsible for these very human sins.
I watched this video to the end.
I'm so glad I did.
What if i am unconvinced by the message (John 3:17 according to David), is it really on me? What if the means of delivery of the message is questionable? What if the person delivering the message is ineffective at doing so? What if the claims seem dubious and problematic at worst and questionable and unrelatable at best?
How is it on me?
Thoughts, anyone?
The message is not for you
My favourite question is; "If I told you I saw a vision of god, how would you know I was telling the truth, What questions would you ask and what answers would convince you that god had really appeared to me?" follow ups include, how would they recognise god vs how would they recognise a delusion? and why do they believe the vision claims in the bible if they could not reliably trust their own vision.
33:00 "this one guy I watched the series of his dvds" - please tell me is Kent Hovind?
"his name is Kent Hovind" - oh man xD
I don't know how Eddie kept his composure there! I would have laughed my head off!
I have talked to quite a few believers online. I've tried to use this method. What I have found is that believers have a very difficult time focusing on the "why" they believe. They very often shift to "what" they believe. Very interesting phenomenon.
Dan Pfaffenberger Sometimes someone literally has never been asked these type of questions.
This is interesting. How he tries to avoid an incoming hole but end up in falling in deeper hole.
You had some awesome questions in this interview. I love the part where you pressed him on what would be a deconfirmation. It really showed his lack of objectivity.
Also, great ending! "I don't know, I never thought about that".
Street Knowledge thanks Raul! Some feedback from a fellow SEer. Do you feel like the second half definitely strayed away from SE, and thus is a type of failure, or is it something else(following the IL while being honest). The reason I ask is I kinda felt like I switched into debate mode, but with questions. I wasn’t sure it was a good example of SE, but that ending ultimately led to me to post it.
Deep Discussions It did start sounding a little more like counter apologetics toward the end. The questions were a little more loaded. I don't fault you for it. I think at that point you earned the right to be a little more open about your own views. You were very patient.
- What's the second best explanation for shells being on mountains?
- Someone bringing 'em there.
🤣🤣🤣
Seagulls dropping them?
@@jacketrussell Yes, that's the second and only other option as far as I can tell!
The flood floated them there😀
@@jormahome
Don't be silly....shells sink.
The only other possible explanation is that they are an extinct species of land shells. 😁
This was incredibly impressive altogether. Patience is one way. Wow!
Hey I really enjoyed what you did and how you did it.
Anthony is the only SE I've seen, so its really cool to see someone else do this and in a fashion that makes anger almost always nonexistent.
Bobby Sweeney thanks!
Best discussion ever (even though I kept yelling "How do you KNOW that")!
ROFL, same!
Yeah. (Indoctrination)
I don't think this man answered ONE question. It almost seems as though when christians are asked something, it's cue for them to start preaching. They either don't want to answer these questions or they know where they will lead so they avoid it.
Great video btw. I love your style and you asked some really good questions. Thank you for sharing it!
vegan atheist yep he didn’t he just preached the whole time
@@kowoh exactly!
Glad to see more channels like this popping up. I rly liked Anthony's. Subscribed!
Great video. I watched until the end and realized... Oh, I already saw the end. Great way to end with your interlocutor saying "I don't know"
You have an impressive level of patience and some killer questions to boot. SE is simple to learn but the amount of people with the mind set to do it effectively is woefully small. Keep on doing what your doing sir, your a rare commodity.
Thanks for the kind words Ries
1:02:50 hahaha ...”i dont know ...never thought about that”, bye gotta go (walks away in a hurry) 🤣
That laugh after David tries once again to use the fear tactic of hell on Eddie was very disturbing. One of the reasons he brought up over and over for OTHER religions deconfirmations was their use of the fear tactic. If it wasn't so mean and sick and sado-masochistic it would almost be funny how he doesn't see this double standard. His indoctrination has crippled his critical thinking skills and poisoned his morality to an alarming degree.
Someone needs to make more Kool-Aid cuz homeboy drank the WHOLE pitcher.
Christianity isn’t a religion until tax time rolls around.
Thanks for the video, great talk!
I asked a pastor what happens to the good people that don't know about Jesus when they die. He said the same thing as this guy, you need to hear and reject the word in order to be condemned. I said to him if that is the case the worst thing you could do to a good non believer is share the gospel message.
Why do you believe? Because the Bible says.......
Beat me to it by 32 minutes
Holy shit!! All this dancing and fairy tales put me in the mood for the wizard of oz.
@9:00 False. It has been proven that Josephus’ one reference to Jesus which mentions miracles is an interpolation. Josephus in no way records “all of the events” nor would he ever say the things Christians have tried to attribute to him saying as he was a Jew and not a a Christian.
Edit* this is great by the way! Keep this up I learned a lot.
The Ex Christian thank and that is the exact term scholars use. Only a Christian would write in that way. Calling a man a god is a huge problem in Judaism.
And we would have known if Josephus converted to Christianity and he did not.
55:45 Pure gold listening to the pastor tie himself explaining away illogical Adam n Eve story 😂😂
Pretty sad example of the power of indoctrination!
52:50
I was wondering how long it would take this guy to finally get to what he was dying to say the whole time: You either believe in my version of god, or you will go to hell!
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34 NIV
Just a peaceful message from their leader. Because theirs is the only peaceful religion.
Wow it is impossible to find others doing street epistemology in the RUclips search algorithm.
This is my first video and i am proud of your approach, however David may have gained alot of insight by possibly repeating the questions back to himself.
Thankful for you and the ministry and i hope that you are well!
Could you please add some timestamps?
I ask: If your child came to you and said they no longer wanted to be around you or part of your family...would you throw them in a lake of fire (they answer no)...then why does your loving God do it.
I shed a little tear at the point I realised this poor guy looks up to Kent Hovind.
I think people in the comments are a bit rough with him.
Sure, he doesn't have any arguments and is just quoting the bible, but he wasn't agressive in any way, was open to the discussion and the questions and left admiting something doesn't add up. I think it was a successful conversation.
I feel for David.
This is probably the very first time he's had to grapple with questions about his faith without getting into a heated debate.
It must be shocking to go away with the questions ringing in his head.
"Josephus recorded all the events of Jesus' life".
No, he didnt
Yeah, not remotely. He mentioned some members of the death cult. Then someone wrote some things in his book many years later, trying to attribute them to Josephus.
The official position of biblical scholars on Josephus is his writings on Jesus were interpolated. Meaning someone added some material Josephus never wrote.
No Jewish person would ever have written those things. And he never converted to Christianity.
This person has never read what the historians have written about Jesus. It’s literally only a few pages.
Anybody could read it in a few minutes
Yea, he might of vaguely mentioned someone who could be vaguely interpreted as jesus, in a passing statement. But I don't think that even happened, just grasping at straws.
@@josiahvonb3426 No no, he didn't mention jebus, he mentions the cult.
It took him the whole time for him to say i don't know at the last question. Frustrating that he couldn't answer some of the questions straight and wandered off into bible quotes but you could almost see the switch in him flick over from the answer he couldn't think about to the answer that he used to hold the belief.
LMAOOO that ending. “I never thought about that…” *RUNS AWAY* Great conversation, I really hope he thinks on all of that.
Awesome job. I only talk about religion if someone starts trying to preach to me. I live in Texas so that's normal. I will use so many of the questions you brought up.
Special Pleading.
he spends the first 21 minutes repeatedly saying that none of the other religions are as good, the followers dont follow their texts, christianity is unlike all religions. then he says, "ive never studied another religion"
“I’ve never studied other religions”. Well, maybe that is part of the problem?
My head really hurts sheer that.
I may have missed it, but did you ask him if the foundations he mentioned were demonstrated to be false whether he would still have as high of a confidence as he does?
You've got to be shitting me....47:10
Loosely quoted "After you died and you found yourself in front of some other god and it said I gave you every chance to believe in me, but you didn't...then he cast you out".....would that be fair....and he answered yes. FFS you've got to be kidding me.
Wow, great interview. His epistemology is so tangled up I’m not even sure where to start.
I just have to recognize that some number of people have to have something to believe in regardless of how far fetched or ridicules it may sound.
like atheism...
@@brewhouse6160 You will need to elaborate. Atheism only tells someone that I don't believe in god's existence, it says absolutely nothing about what I do believe. Oddly enough, You and I probably believe in many of the same things
Sunrayn maybe so, I just hate when people assume that they know what a Christian believes is far fetched but when you press them they actually don’t have a understanding of it, what I would say is far fetched in the atheist views is that everything came from nothing for one.
@@brewhouse6160 The belief that atheists believe "Everything came from nothing" is a non-starter Christian argument. The philosophical "nothing" that professional apologists use, is projecting Christian beliefs onto atheists. The philosophical "nothing" that everything came from is actually the same "nothing" that Christians believe existed before god spoke it into existence. When physicists use the word "nothing" they are talking about an entirely different usage of the word. For example, if I held my empty hand out to you, palm up, would you say I was holding "nothing"?
Our local, state, and federal governments are full of these people writing laws. That is the scary part. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from this but when the President of the United States refers to the Constitution as "phony" we are doomed.
Overall, a good interview, but seemed like a difficult interview, as there seemed to be a lot of programmed answers rather than responding directly to the questions. I'm just curious, is Deep Discussions affiliated with Anthony Magnabosco?
SOME CREDIT has to go to the preacher for finally admitting he doesn’t know (final question). In my opinion that takes a lot of gumption for someone in a profession where you’re meant to have all the answers. He could have said something redundant and dishonest like ‘... because it wasn’t God’s will’ but he chose to finally be honest.
I love it when people, like yourself, say the word "gumption"! Keep it up.
I like to consider myself a patient person but your ability to entertain false statements is awesome. Thanks for the videos brother
Great job
That is some real food for thought , thank you!
Your intro reminds me of the HBO show 'In Treatment'
*Peter Falk voice* "I'm sorry, just, uh, just one more question, if you don't mind."
That was good !
Kudos to you! I have absolutely no patience for ignorance!
OMG I can't. I'm done. 15 minutes in and I'm screaming at the screen. This dude drank ALL the Kool Aid
Jason Bourne does SE! I don't know how you maintain your composure. I might have hit him with the clipboard when he brought up Hovind.
"I've never studied another religion..."
*makes declarative statements about every other religion on earth*
I yearn for the patience of street epistemology. Truly. I would be so frustrated in wanting to start debating. This is a wonderful test of patience.
Ah, yes, I see you fell into the debate trap later on. I think it tests the SE individual more than the faithful through a trial ahahaha
So if Adam and Eve did not disobey god, humanity will not get to experience God's love?
To force someone to love you is wrong, dishonest and dare I say it, 'evil' . so his god is all those! No thanks! Cheers
27:00 the captions there are really well stated. I had the same thought, but using his own words to explain how he would object to his own beliefs had he put two and two together was admittedly cool to hear. But I agree, for the purposes of street epistemology, pointing that out to him could have ended in defensiveness.
You know what I think? I think that what you labeled as dodge #3 was actually #4...
This guy is an example of why courses in comparative religions is necessary. He never heard about other savior god myths older than the Jesus story.
This was painful to watch. He’s invested YEARS into learning about the bible but apparently spent no time thinking about if it makes sense and internalizing it. My evidence of that is his constant use of canned platitudes and sayings pulled from the bible that often don’t even map to the question posed. His answers to questions must come from the sayings he’s learned and memorized from the bible and not from introspection and logical deductions.
Terry Rogers I don’t think he has read the Bible. He picks & chooses the cozy stories, lol whatever that means, and doesn’t really care if they are true or not. Damn scary!
Yes, it was very painful to watch.
@@laurieauld7687 I agree. I'd wager relatively few people have read the bible cover to cover, even very religious people. It's a pretty boring book. Now, Muslims... at least many of them will not only read the whole Quran, but actually memorize most, if not all of it. While I can't attest to the soundness of the teachings contained in it, at least when speaking with a devout Muslim, they will most likely actually KNOW their book thoroughly.
I started watching this whilst bursting my teeth, so I wasn't looking at it, and if I had to guess I would have said it was Jim Halpert speaking as the interviewer.
"What would you say was the best example of god working in your life?"
"Well, no one heard the gunshots, no one saw the blood, and no one found my first wife's body. That's god protecting me"
The only question he answered was "Whats your name?"
"God the son died to please his father". What kind of being would require the death of his son for his own pleasure? The foundation of Christianity is that of human sacrifice, and is immoral.
Not to forget the cannibalism of eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jeebs
His son and himself simultaneously. Because they're both the same person.
God doesn't require blood Psalm 40:6 KJV
poor guy. I just feel sorry for people like this who live an unreal life, programmed since he was young.
@Susan Welsh thank you for your concern, you sound like a caring person :)
You say "lot's of mistakes" but I thought you ended on point. I'm not yet educated in SE so perhaps it's not a good demonstration (I couldn't say) , but you were incredibly patient and if anything I am sure that you made this preacher think about things christianity fails to see. "Why the ark was not full of babies" was genius!
Good job.
Really good stuff man. Liked and subscribed
Great interpersonal communication skills
This is why SE is so hard for me. How do you hear someone say something about the Noachian Flood and let them walk away believing that there's any evidence for that? Your self discipline is very admirable.
An idea that could have helped with the defensiveness, would it be useful to acknowledge that the belief itself isn't under attack? Something like "oh, no I'm not trying to make you question your faith, I'm just trying to find out the underlying method..."
And/or validating that you've heard their belief early on?
A lot of cults (and quite some churches) use the tactic of equating questioning with attack which can put people in defensive mode and lock down both in the moment but also later.
Reassuring them might help keep the window open a little longer
That seems like lying. Focusing on the method helps to foster openness, but if doing so causes doubt, and therefore some defensiveness, there’s not much you can do. Maybe something like this. “I’m not trying to prove your belief wrong. I’m trying to see if the way you reached your conclusion is reliable, and if not, is there a more reliable method we could use.”
@@deepdiscussions5728 You might be right, I'm not well versed in the applications of the method. I'm more familiar with other active inquiry methods, where validation is commonly a tool to establish safety, and help put posturing needs to rest.
Also, I'm not implying lying, you could change the words in any way as long as you reassure what is being questioned and what is not.
Great chat, you are the louis theroux of street epistomology.
Doublebass I don’t know what that means lol. I looked him up and he’s makes documentaries. Thanks? Lol
Tough interview. Great job, lots learnt on SE in this one
Great point about god punishing only Adam and Eve! 57:05
Ugh this was painful to watch. I know David. Not him personally, my David was named Robert. Despite all the lip service he gives to having found 'truth,' his strategy of dodging questions by reiterating his beliefs indicates that for him this conversation is about something entirely different than truth. I would love to see those real reasons brought out somehow. Like, what is really at stake for him that keeps him subverting every question that even remotely challenges his beliefs?
Wow wow, God gave us Sin to shows his love ,by sending himself to come and die for our Sins. Are you for real???
That's a nice , be a shame if something happened to it. The definition of extortion... god is a mafia godfather. David has a very distorted view of what love is.
@11:51 misquotes the bible.
I looked it up. Accurate quote
@@zoetic12 It's the way, the truth and the LIGHT, not LIFE. look again.
You're just listening to it out of context 😂😂
@@teresamcmud2605 lol, "The way, The truth and The LIGHT", not LIFE. It's a common mis-quote by people who profess to be lifelong, devout Christians. Or should i say "lightlong"😁
57:17 "Doesn't matter what's fair".. that made me LOL.. what a putz....
Great talk! Love the videos, but [attempted constructive criticism to follow] the audio levels could use some work. Very difficult to hear the preacher man. Keep it up, though! We need more people like you!
Just assumed you haven't been save?! Geez. Questioning faith must equal atheist right?
4:40
Great way to end it.
Should have played Run from AWOLNATION at the moment he leaves
It is a shame folks with such monumental levels of ignorance so often pair it with equal levels of arrogance.