several years ago, in a d-II baseball game (i was the plate umpire); one out, runner on first, visiting team at bat. right-handed batter crushes one to left field that he is convinced is going to leave the park. batter immediately mega-flips the bat which rolls out into fair territory about 10 or 12 feet in front of third base. turns out the batted ball goes off the wall in left, the left-fielder makes a great throw back into third base, and the runner coming from first gets tagged out because he was avoiding the bat lying in the baseline. sometimes ya' just have to give karma an opportunity to settle the issue. one of the highlights of my career.
@@hackercop188 i wish a video was available. when this happened, the home team did not have video capacity at the baseball field. so until someone figures out how to convert my neuron pathways into some sort of digital feed....
Ever since little league, we were penalized for “throwing the bat.” It introduces an unpredictable safety hazard. I’m all for players being allowed some reasonable celebration, such as high fives at home plate, or a raised “number 1” while running the bases, but I’m with the umpire here on the ejection for launching a missile.
Exactly. Flip the bat. Celebrate. Show up the pitcher. Don’t launch the bat 50 feet. If the on deck batter is watching the ball fly he gets rocked by that thing.
Umpires discretion, if the ump feels safety was compromised then they can warn or eject imo. I’m a pitcher too. I feel like if someone hits a dinger off me and wants to flip the bat fine. I always felt like you look cooler if you act like it was no big deal. If I strike out their best hitter in a big situation I don’t scream and fist pump if I can help it because I look cooler if I act like it was no big deal, like I knew you had no chance in the fist place. I grew up idolizing roy Halladay, who is still the most stoic pitcher I’ve ever seen. Plus you don’t end up pissing off the other team which causes them to perform better. If you act like dominating them is nothing to you, they loose confidence and give up. Also, you look classy, and respecting your opponent does count for something.
This wasn’t a bat flip. It was a bat throw. Don’t throw your bat across the field. Thats just dangerous-easy way to create an unnecessary accident. I think the bigger issue here is a coach who can’t take accountability for his player’s actions and goes and gets himself kicked out.
I have had good coaches and bad coaches. Of those coaches that I thought were good, I would be afraid to go back to the dugout after pulling something like that.
Let the kids play. He did not put anyone in danger, given where the bat ended up. The ejection was uncalled for. If he had thrown it at the pitcher or any other player or coach, I would be with the umpire. But that was not the case. If a player is not allowed to show emotion, what is even the point of the game? IT'S A GAME. It is SUPPOSED to be fun.
should have been banned from the sport for life along with a massive fine. he is out there not only making a mockery of the sport and all who came before him; he is creating a hazard for anyone within throwing range of himself. there is no excuse for this on any level of the sport. if he were 12 years old playing tee ball he'd be banned. he needs to be banned for this. there is no excuse. he is not "showing up" the other team for anything he did well. on the contrary he is only showing us all how incredibly shocking it was to him to see himself actually hit a ball well. a true professional would have acted like he's struck a ball well before in his career
I'm all for celebrations and bat flips, but in my mind they lose their value a little bit when EVERYONE is doing them ALL the time. The market's a little too saturated to find any particular one that special anymore. Not sure if anyone else feels that way, but it used to be an event when someone bat flipped (talking primarily about the MLB level because that's what you'd see on SportsCenter the next morning) because you weren't /supposed/ to. Now someone bat flips, and it's like "Sure, okay, another one I guess". For instance, this is the third inning, and it's a solo shot to put the team within one. Not even to tie it or take the lead. Maybe this is a playoff game or a championship game, I'm not sure.
I’m in my mid 40’s. I don’t mind bat flips at all when there’s something on the line, walk off or coming back from a deficit. I’ve spoken will Bill Madlock about this a few times. As he put it “if a pitcher makes a good pitch I want him to fist pump or show emotion, same with a batter. If I get a hit or hit a home run you are allowed to show emotion, except when you are trailing and never stand a shot at a comeback”.
Why put conditions on it? You either want the bat flips or you don't. If a team is down 12-1 and a guy homers, and he flips a bat to get his team juiced, then eat the fucking bat flip and keep quiet. A homer is a homer is a homer, just like bat flips.
My favorite "bat flip" ever was Eric Davis, 1990 world series game 1 off of Dave Stewart. Set the tone for the entire series, and Eric the Red acted like he'd been there before. He never had; at least not on that stage. But that was the most professional "flip" I've ever seen.
@@TehDrewsus back then, in a World Series game, anything more would have earned a beaner. Players had to have a lot more self control. Thanks for the illustrative example.
Good question. Not sure of favorite bat flip of all time but favorite bat SPIKE was the Phillies Rhys Hoskins last year in the NLCS. Not sure how to officiate what is and what isn’t acceptable. Obviously there has to be a “standard” on what you can and cannot do. Safety has to be considered when deciding. I think celebrations make the game more fun.
or... he could lay down the bat and run the bases... "like he's been there before" (one of the greatest coaching quotes/pieces of advice EVER)... and then we have no issue...
That should not be an ejection. Players are allowed to celebrate. If the other team has an issue they should do a homerun of their own and celebrate their way.
Well, as you know, NCAA has told us to get this out of the game. This wasn't just a bat flip, this was a bat toss. It was meant to demean the pitcher and have a LOOK AT ME moment. It's not sporting whatsoever. I support the EJ
I’m not for showboating - but if you are truly a competitor and mentally tough - this bat flip would do nothing but make you want to beat the other team even more than you already did. A warning by the ump would DEFINITELY be warranted IMHO, but I don’t know about an ejection, especially if that player was behaving reasonably for the whole rest of the game with the exception of that moment.
@@digger11000 I don’t think the discussion was about the wording of the rule - it was about the interpretation. For the record, if I was this players coach, his ass would look like it was ran through a lawn mower after my ass chewing for making that interpretation possible.
Yes, but the fact is the bat throw is demeaning and could result in a fight later in the game, especially if the other team does it. However, about the rules. Rules are written to avoid having to interpret them as that could cause issues. In this case there is no interpretation needed its cut and dry. The rule is written verbatim to avoid conflict or confusion. In addition, this has been a point of emphasis in the rules for a few years now. Having been a basketball official for 20 years, going to camps learning what the rules are and learning how to apply them takes years of work. What upsets me is the fact that most players and coaches don't know the rules. The other thing that upsets me is how the coach reacted to the umpire. This is unprofessional to say the least. There is alot of thought that goes into writing the rules, more so than people realize.
@@digger11000 I agree. If I was the coach, my problem would have been with my player, and not the umpire. I may have asked about it, but hopefully I wouldn’t get rude with the ump. I’m not calling the coach a bad coach. But part of coaching is teaching the game - which includes the rules. So there was clearly a failure to teach, or a failure to learn. And for the record, I do appreciate the people that officiate games so that people get to play them. It’s a thankless job, and it shouldn’t be.
There is a fine line where its totally an umps judgement call on whats acceptable and whats over the top. That being said, this kid threw the bat 15 feet beyond that grey area line lol.
When I first saw this I thought he was thrown out because it's dangerous to throw a bat that far. If that plonked someone on the head, that would be bad news. Do we know he was thrown out because it was an excessive bat flip, or because the ump deemed it not safe?
or... he could lay down the bat and run the bases... "like he's been there before" (one of the greatest coaching quotes/pieces of advice EVER)... and then we have no issue...
@@MajinSupernova "prudish baseball purist". that may very well be the highest compliment anyone has ever paid me. thank you. i will wear the designation with pride.
@@MajinSupernova Yeah slinging the bat around on the field where other humans are present is a lot of fun. Just like pointing a gun at other people when at the shooting range is fun.
The bat did not end up in that spot, the bat was moved by our coach to the spot you see in the video. The video doesn't show where the bat properly landed, it landed up the third base line.
No. The bat didn't land "up the third base line." Everyone can see it was at it's apex over the baseline headed toward the dugout. That's exactly where it should be given the angle and height of the throw. And you can clearly see as it left the screen it wasn't headed anywhere parallel the third base line. And who would believe someone would come out, pick up the bat, then put it in front of the dugout for no apparent reason?
@@Nuschler22 3rd base coach moved it out of the way so he could do his home run trot and then a player grabbed it and moved it over there. Were you there?
@@Nuschler22 okay Mr. Science. But you forgot one tiny thing: a bat, especially one flipped, didn't just hit the ground and stop dead. It bounces and rolls depending on how it lands.
I think the distance and the aggression of the bat flip matters. It could be an argument that a bad bat flip with those characteristics may oppose a safety issue!!
I’m sorry but EVERY sport has some way to express your excitement over a pivotal spot in an emotional 2 to 3 hour game. All the other spots implement some type of penalty. I thought it was awesome!!!!! The umpire should have given him a warning and move on. Then on all levels of Baseball make a new rule that if you flip your bat that team will start with one out automatically going into the next inning. AWESOME Bat Flip!!!! Keep enjoying the game, and have fun playing it.
One of the problems is the NCAA won't come out and clearly define unsportsmanlike conduct and examples of some of the things that constitute unsportsmanlike conduct in the rulebook. It needs to be in the rulebook too not left to conference supervisors or the NCAA supervisor of umpires for each division to decide. There is A LOT of politics that goes on and disagree at those levels on how to handle certain things. The Coaches committee has the power to institute rule changes and they won't define it because they don't want it penalized for something they voted for when they can just either say it was a gray area and they shouldn't be punished for it or complain to the conference when it happens and it goes against their team. If they spell out in words that are appropriate for a rule book that pimping a home run in any way including a bat flip is unsportsmanlike as well as other situations such as taunting. Taunting is in the rule book and the pitcher from Florida did taunt the opposing team in that situation earlier this year but if it were more clearly defined in rule book guys wouldn't be looking right at someone and basically celebrating or talking smack right for all practical purposes right in their face and rubbing their nose in it so to speak which can be something as small as a look into their dugout with a certain body language. So overall I think being more clear in the rules will help this situation to be handled more uniformly one way or the other. My personal view is that bat flips warrants a team warning on the first offense and ejection after that. This one especially warrants ejection both for the pimping aspect and the safety aspect, it was just over the top in all regards in my opinion.
The game is supposed to be fun. Now what led up to this moment? Was this player involved in a previous altercation during the game because if not, this ejection is very premature. Give a warning talk to the coach and all. Otherwise there’s no reason for an objection for this. Let the kids play.
Keep this simple - what is the rule? Umpires have a job to do. You show up your opponent by hitting the home run or strike out. Not by a ridiculous bat flip. These on field emotional taunting celebrations (lack of self control) degrade the game. Then you have so called managers pandering to their players and get ejected for this call. Sportsmanship should still exist in the game especially at the college level.
Here here! I say zero tolerance for bat flipping, celebratory crap, fighting, bench clearing etc etc etc. I've had enough of all the crap that has nothing to do with playing the game.
Just needs the rule to be consistent, doesn't affect whether I would watch if they ban bat flips. "Drop your bat like you just popped up to the infield for the third time in a row that game" is fine. Heck, claim it to be a safety thing. Just make sure the umpires can enforce it consistently, or more importantly, can't do it inconsistently.
I’m in my 40’s, so I grew up with the stodgy unwritten rules. I have no problem with the bat flips though. That one went pretty far though. Definitely don’t want anyone getting injured as a result of a bat flip.
or... he could lay down the bat and run the bases... "like he's been there before" (one of the greatest coaching quotes/pieces of advice EVER)... and then we have no issue...
I don't have a problem with bat flips in general but this is going to get to the point of being an actual safety issue the way the guys are just throwing the bat
This one wasn't really a bat flip it was more of a throw and it landed about 5 feet in front of his own. dugout he shouldn't have been ejected. I think some umpires get a bit over zealous in there positions.
@justin baylor yea I understand that but. I just feel like it's stupid. But rules are rules I guess. To me it's kind of like laws that prevent you from beating the brakes off someone that breaks into your house simply because there was another way for you to get out without encountering the intruder. I don't like that either but it's the law. Just feel like somethings are stupid and should sometime be looked on on a case by case basis. That's all
Batter should be free to do anything he wants if he takes the picture yard for a homerun. Of course, he also has to understand nobody is going to like it. So if you likes flipping bats he also has to like getting back in the against 115 mile-an-hour fastballs thrown at his head.
I'm fine with the ejection in this case as he threw it far enough that someone could get hurt by the bat. We call 5 year olds out for throwing the bat like that so why not him? You could just call him out on the spot for throwing his bat 😂
no, you can't. the home run over the fence is an immediate dead ball. as long as the batter/runner runs the bases legally, he is entitled to the run which he has earned. now, his conduct involving the bat flip, in the opinion of the plate umpire, was deemed excessive; so, the minute he crosses the plate, he is subject to any disciplinary action, including ejection.
That's a tough one. Showing excitement is certainly a good thing, as playing baseball can be very taxing mentally. That said, college is still a time to learn the boundaries and how to be excited without showing up the other team. It's definitely a judgement call on a case by case basis, but I think this was a reasonable call. Side note, I was relieved that the umpire waited for the player to round the bases first. The way it was clipped together the first time, I got worried that he would be tossed immediately, forcing the team to forfeit the run, which would not be reasonable
The NCAA has points of emphasis every year. This year one of the major points was the elimination of bat throws and excessive homerun celebrations. Tough to criticize the umpire here. What you'd like to see happen is after the ejection the coach comes out and says to the player, "look, I appreciate your enthusiasm and your competitiveness, but we just can't have that. It's just taking things too far."
Here’s the deal… a backflip is just that a flip, the back goes 5 feet maybe 10 feet at the most. Now I would consider this, throwing the bat and a bit excessive. I do think he has warrant a warning and not ejection. I love celebrations, and I love showing the other team up because I think it’s part of the game, you just have to be careful when the bad is going that far.
Also, homeruns are rare, .8 per game in D1. So at most you can expect to see one bat flip per game. Obviously odds are much less than 1 per game. Many homeruns are not no doubters, plus hitter's individual attitudes in specific situations, and then of course player preference for bat flips in general. Bat flips are never going to become common. Because nuked, no doubter homeruns are not common. "Act like you've been here before" Ha! They probably haven't! Let them do it, they literally may never get another chance. Most of these kids are not Mike Trout, Aaron Judge or Pete Alonzo.
is there a rule on how you can flip the bat? i agree this was an abnormal flip of a bat, i would not even consider this a bat flip but as a coach i would ask to see the rule, and if it was an unsportsman like conduct issue then it is just in the opinion of the umpire and there is no argument.
I know I'm probably in the minority on this one...ban bat flips all together. There's nothing good that can come from them. They can be dangerous and are only going to get more dangerous as these players keep getting air time for their ridiculous bat flips. You want to celebrate your home run, do it in the dugout. Bat flips(throws), yelling and screaming as you round the bases, show boating, and all that is a really poor way to play the game in my opinion. Round the bases like you have a shred of class and get your high fives and excitement out in the dugout. That's my opinion.
Bat flips are a joke and shows how soft baseball has gotten at all levels. If you did this stuff in the 90's or any decade prior, you would get one in the ear the next time up. It goes on because baseball doesn't police itself anymore.
In football a player can get a personal foul but remain in the game if he does another he's gone, the same for the NBA if a player gets 2 technical fouls, but what kind of penalty can be assessed in MLB or colleges but allows the player to remain in the game? a warning? meaning 2 bat flips and you're gone? How can you penalize or punish a guy in college or the MLB but he can stay in the game?
I think this is primarily a safety issue. By throwing the bat, he could have hit his third base coach or a teammate warming up to bat. I don't know what the line is, but I think this crossed it. You can't be throwing large metal objects around without regard for others' safety.
I had a umpire tell me that you are only supposed to eject a player on a bat flip if he throws in the direction of the other teams dugout or is taunting. I didn't see either
@Letz Rock he was talking about a taunting issue. Serious question in my son's high school game. My sons teammate drew a walk, which put the winning run into scoring position. He was excited threw the bat, and it bounced and hit my son in the knee. He was alright, but should his teammate be thrown out of the game for pure excitement?
@@jimmymcnamara4742 Yes, in hockey you get penalized for being careless with your stick or using it like a weapon. A baseball bat, which is even more capable of hurting someone, should be treated with even more care…and throwing it stupidly and carelessly towards anyone on the field should be treated as a serious safety violation.
The camera angle does not show it, but, what if his own team mates came off the bench to watch the ball clear the fence and that bat came close to hitting them. Is that excessive? Is that unsportsmanlike? Dangerous? Would that warrant his ejection? As an umpire, with 35 years in, under this circumstance, I watch where the bat goes, my partner has the ball. If that bat gets to close to the dugout and other players then the batter is ejected. I do not know if that is the case here but it is a scenario. BTWE, I HATE bat flips. The defensive team gets offended if it is a theatrical flip and it escalates from there.
I am not familiar with college rules but based on other "safety" rules in HS and college sports, I imagine that there is a rule about throwing equipment in a way that may endanger other people on/around the field. So this isn't a no-fun ruling as much as it's a ruling regarding not throwing a stick of aluminum around without consideration.
Not much of a throw but more of a toss, and it's towards his own team. Bat flips are fine but showing up the other team is not. Vlady Jr got some of my favorite bat drops 😅
To answer your question, ALL bat flips are preventable, the first 80+ years of the game saw 100% of all home runs go without one. Let's be men again, whaddayasay? We're not girls out of control of our emotions (yup, I said it), we're not little boys any more who need to show the other team up with juvenile displays. Drop the bat, jog the bases, celebrate with your teammates at home, and in the dugout. To respond to this particular bat THROW, as it pertains to modern precedent though, I would actually say no, no ejection. If the bat came within a country mile of an opposition player, absolutely. It almost seemed like he was just trying to save the bat boy a few steps, it didn't even really seem celebratory. It seems strange, but I guess in the end, the ump was looking out for the safety of his own teammates. One thing for sure - it was incredibly stupid.
@@Robbie1075 when is the last time you saw a pitcher throw his glove thirty feet?!?!? how idiotic would that look??? celebrate, yes, but you don't need to send whatever piece of equipment you have available airborne...
Definition of Umpire: an official who watches a game or match closely to enforce the rules and arbitrate on matters arising from the play. In My opinion the player who threw the bat 15-20 yards has to be removed from the game. Excessive celebration, Unsportsmanlike conduct, and He could of hurt someone. If the Umpire doesn't control the Emotions of Players on the field, then every Player would be doing some like this. Throw your bat in a safe direction after you win the Game. Keep it off the field so to speak. Thanks for sharing Matt.
All collegiate and Highschool rules a bat MAY NOT be more than 3 and 1/2 length from home plate at the start of a run. Always been the rule but rarely enforced. Been to state and Nationals only seen enforced once? And he threw it towards opposing dugout, automatic ejection never got to 1st. Rules are not always enforced for the fever of the game.
If you don't eject the bat flip, don't get pissed off when the next batter gets thrown at. Don't come out and complain it was intentional and beg the pitcher to be ejected. Being thrown at typically comes after something stupid like this. He ejected himself. Period. Now I might get in the carchers ear and tell him to settle the pitcher down before he is run too. But this player only cared about his AB and not the next batter.
I think it should just come down to safety. A throw this far is a safety concern and worth a warning or ejection. A flip that isn’t so far to a safe area is fine with me. If defense doesn’t like it plunk him next time.
not only is this a safety concern it goes deeper than that what if the other team does the same thing? We could have a fight. Anyway its a mute point NCAA rules forbid it and the player was correctly ejected. That is the penalty for doing what he did.
That was in no way a bat flip. He threw the bat at Great speed for a long way. Continue reading your rule book to where it defines what a bat "flip" is. Umps discretion when it goes from flip to dangerous.
Also I never did see Johnny bench, hank Aaron, and many other true greats of the game do a bat flip. They had way to much class and dignity to pull something like that!!!!
It depends, when it comes to flips in MLB one can argue that they’ve earned a celebration in a playoff series as such whereas someone in D3 baseball celebrating a home run to make a 1 run game in the 3rd.
Here's AB interesting take: if we're gonna toss players for bat flips, shouldn't we be tossing pitchers for their celebrations when they get a strike out? Let the players play. If the bat flip is excessive, deal with it like the ump did he in this video. Especially if the bat ends up becoming a safety issue due to its trajectory or where it lands. But, if it's just your run of the mill bat flip, who cares.
I’m a big fan of players staying in control of their emotions (Highs and lows). I think normally when a player shows up team he just takes one to the back next at bat. Is it better that the umpire handed before it gets to that point? I don’t know. Maybe at high school level and below. College level and up are all grown men let them to figure it out on the field.
the only high school player i have ever ejected in a 24-year career was a private conversation between me and the head coach. the coach handled it from there. no theatrics, no drama. at least, until the player's father met me on the way to the parking lot after the game. ahhh, the memories...
I would say issue a warning to the batting team as a safety concern for the thrown bat. As far as unsportsmanlike like. If you get shilacked off the mount you got more to pout about then getting shown up by the other team. “There’s no crying in baseball”
You swing the bat the ball hits the bat the ball goes flying you drop the bat. You don't flip the bat, you don't juggle the bat, you don't toss the bat, you don't let the inertia of the swing that hit the ball take the bat. You simply let go of the bat after removing it's inertia. Anyting else should be a penalty. period. The answer is very very simple there is no complexity to this question at all.
I'm assuming the umpire's decision to reject is based on a rule. In that case, the matter becomes interpretation of the rule and whether his was appropriate. Which is above my pay grade.
Toss 'em. Toss 'em all. Why is the bat down the 3rd base line? Why are we putting up with overgrown 5 year olds? Lack of leadership on the part of the coaches, lack of parenting, lack of class and lack of dignity. The bat should be dropped on the way to 1st base, off of the field of play.
Because the bat traveled through the field of play, it should be an ejection. Had it been down the first base line, i would be unhappy (act like you've been there before) but would argue that there's no reason to eject someone. Throwing the bat through the field of play? Even just across the corner of the diamond? You're gone. Every single time.
It's not about safety for me, it's about an action that is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike. As far as what is acceptable vs. what is not, it does not need to be black and white, or prescriptive (in other words, if you flip the bat 17.33 feet you will be ejected), because there are many nuances to each situation. Umpire's judgment call is fine. In this case, he judged rightly.
I don't care about "showing up the other team" as long as you're not cussing at them and being just extremely disrespectful. Bat flips, as long as they're not endangering anyone are completely fine in my opinion, and people that care so much about them are often just soft. That being said, this specifically was just dangerous. It 's a well deserved ejection because he could have literally hit and seriously injured somebody. That's the only reason why I agree with this kind of ejection. It has nothing to do with showing the other team up, just don't be an inconsiderate jackass while you're celebrating your homerun. Whether it's dangerous or not is discretionary based on the circumstances of whether or not it could have seriously injured somebody. If you're throwing it 5 feet and nobody is in the area, then who cares. If you throw it 20 - 30 feet in any direction, you're clearly just being a jerk. If you throw it 5 feet and it was directly at someone, then that's also being a jerk. The ump should consider those types of factors when making the decision.
I see no problem with it as long as it's thrown towards your own dugout.. That way if anyone gets damaged.. You're only hurting your team... Let the team-mates, coaches, managers, and owners handle their own.
The point of the ejection is to punish the player for excessive celebration/ showing up the other team. Now let’s pretend the ump completely ignores the bat flip/ throw and the game proceeds. Does the opposing team now do something similar or more excessive? Or maybe the opposing team takes it upon themselves to punish the player. Takes one to the ribs or dome. Maybe even a hard slide. Anyway it goes that player has now put a target on his back. The ump tossing him eliminates all those scenarios. Some umps are a little too quick to toss but some also have learned from experience that if you don’t take action quick it can escalate quickly
Bat flips are poor sportsmanship at any level. Throwing a bat that far is not only VERY poor sportsmanship but also dangerous. I have ZERO problem with the guy being tossed.
The NCAA directed umpires to place emphasis on the code of conduct, in regard to excessive celebrations, taunting of opposing teams, and the throwing, flipping, and any other display of unsportsmanlike conduct use of bats, other than hitting. 2023 NCAA season started with this directive in place. All NCAA officials, School athletic personnel, coaches, and player's, have all been advised of the emphasis, consequences, and intent of the rule being amended and how it will be enforced, before the season was to begin. It's just one more thing, like the pitch timer, that will be placed on college umpires to police...as if they don't have enough to manage in the game, as it is? The bat flip in this example, in my opinion, judgment, and personal perspective, is that this was not a bat flip. This is a metal object thrown across a field of play, that could have caused a very serious injury, possibly death, if it had come in contact with any player, coach, fan, or umpire. We can't allow this type of wrecklessness in amateur baseball. This ejection was warranted and should have been followed with multiple game suspension? This shouldn't be allowed in professional baseball, either. Anyone that doesn't like or agree with this, should take it up with NCAA College Baseball Committee, and Executive Director's.
I agree 200% Have seen a kid end up in critical condition on vent due to a thrown bat. He survived but with handicaps. Kid who threw bat still, as a man has never forgiven himself Pm
Players these days are getting a little out of control with their excessive bat flips. It's becoming a safety hazard! Not to mention the possible HBP that might occur the next time he comes to the plate. It's toeing the lines of unsportsmanlike conduct. I think a good rule would be that the bat must stay within the dirt surrounding home plate.
OMG! Whatever you do folks, don't express enjoyment in playing a frigging game. I'm sick of all the no celebration rules. Ruining sports nationwide! If he through the bat at an opposing player then yes, toss him. But shooting it off the playing field, in your bench's direction isn't a reason to toss a player
Bat flips should be illegal in the MLB and all of baseball! I think it's both stupid and unsportsmanlike. You hit a home run, fine. Just drop the bat and jog the bases. No need for showing off like that.
I don’t care about “showing up” that could have hit someone and that’s where I draw the the line. An object like that can be unpredictable in its flight and ground impact and it’s unnecessary. Drop the bat and run the bases like you’ve hit a home run before.
Dumb ejection. This is why all young sports fans are gravitating toward basketball. Basketball player will dunk on someone then step over him and stare down at him for 10 seconds and he'll stay in the game. Baseball player throws his bat because he's pumped he just hit a big home run and gets tossed. We need fiery, competitive players. That's what makes it fun!
First of all, I love baseball. However as much as it pains me to admit, its pretty boring to WATCH. When I PLAYED, I loved it. So as far as the celebrations go. Im all for it. Baseball NEEDS this showmanship in the worst way. To keep specifically the younger fans engaged. This particul;ar bat flip is excessive. I think id does warrant an ejection. The bat traveled damn near 40 feet. What if it would have hit someone, one of his teamates perhaps. If you let this slide, maybe it gets worse next time. Its a tricky thing when youre dealing with possibly setting a precedent. Throw his ass out. All that being said, that was a very nice hit.
Completely agree, except he knew exactly where he was throwing that bat. To his own teams dugout. Excessive yeah probably. But he knew where the bat was going.
The only thing I have seen (that you or Jomboy reported on) was the runner stepping the the first baseball recently. The rest seems like overzealous enforcement of some rule.
This ejection imo isnt for bat flipping per se imo, its more potentially endangering others In kbo, npb, cpbl their flips are impressive but always goes behind away from anyone
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I coud live wthout bat flips in genral, but chuck’n it across th field like tht! tht coud b dangrous, & I thnk get’n tossd 4 tht was waranted
several years ago, in a d-II baseball game (i was the plate umpire); one out, runner on first, visiting team at bat. right-handed batter crushes one to left field that he is convinced is going to leave the park. batter immediately mega-flips the bat which rolls out into fair territory about 10 or 12 feet in front of third base. turns out the batted ball goes off the wall in left, the left-fielder makes a great throw back into third base, and the runner coming from first gets tagged out because he was avoiding the bat lying in the baseline. sometimes ya' just have to give karma an opportunity to settle the issue. one of the highlights of my career.
That is hilarious
that is funny Steven show us a clip of that haha
@@hackercop188 i wish a video was available. when this happened, the home team did not have video capacity at the baseball field. so until someone figures out how to convert my neuron pathways into some sort of digital feed....
@@cloudwatcher724 soon 👀
Ever since little league, we were penalized for “throwing the bat.” It introduces an unpredictable safety hazard. I’m all for players being allowed some reasonable celebration, such as high fives at home plate, or a raised “number 1” while running the bases, but I’m with the umpire here on the ejection for launching a missile.
Exactly. Flip the bat. Celebrate. Show up the pitcher. Don’t launch the bat 50 feet. If the on deck batter is watching the ball fly he gets rocked by that thing.
Umpires discretion, if the ump feels safety was compromised then they can warn or eject imo. I’m a pitcher too. I feel like if someone hits a dinger off me and wants to flip the bat fine. I always felt like you look cooler if you act like it was no big deal. If I strike out their best hitter in a big situation I don’t scream and fist pump if I can help it because I look cooler if I act like it was no big deal, like I knew you had no chance in the fist place. I grew up idolizing roy Halladay, who is still the most stoic pitcher I’ve ever seen. Plus you don’t end up pissing off the other team which causes them to perform better. If you act like dominating them is nothing to you, they loose confidence and give up. Also, you look classy, and respecting your opponent does count for something.
This wasn’t a bat flip. It was a bat throw. Don’t throw your bat across the field. Thats just dangerous-easy way to create an unnecessary accident.
I think the bigger issue here is a coach who can’t take accountability for his player’s actions and goes and gets himself kicked out.
Truth.
I agree
Exactly!
I have had good coaches and bad coaches. Of those coaches that I thought were good, I would be afraid to go back to the dugout after pulling something like that.
well said.
Let the kids play. He did not put anyone in danger, given where the bat ended up. The ejection was uncalled for. If he had thrown it at the pitcher or any other player or coach, I would be with the umpire. But that was not the case. If a player is not allowed to show emotion, what is even the point of the game? IT'S A GAME. It is SUPPOSED to be fun.
should have been banned from the sport for life along with a massive fine. he is out there not only making a mockery of the sport and all who came before him; he is creating a hazard for anyone within throwing range of himself. there is no excuse for this on any level of the sport. if he were 12 years old playing tee ball he'd be banned. he needs to be banned for this. there is no excuse. he is not "showing up" the other team for anything he did well. on the contrary he is only showing us all how incredibly shocking it was to him to see himself actually hit a ball well. a true professional would have acted like he's struck a ball well before in his career
I'm all for celebrations and bat flips, but in my mind they lose their value a little bit when EVERYONE is doing them ALL the time. The market's a little too saturated to find any particular one that special anymore. Not sure if anyone else feels that way, but it used to be an event when someone bat flipped (talking primarily about the MLB level because that's what you'd see on SportsCenter the next morning) because you weren't /supposed/ to. Now someone bat flips, and it's like "Sure, okay, another one I guess". For instance, this is the third inning, and it's a solo shot to put the team within one. Not even to tie it or take the lead. Maybe this is a playoff game or a championship game, I'm not sure.
I definitely agree, and then you have dudes celebrating at all 3 bases on their way around and then down the third base line too. This ain't football
I wanna see this in an mlb game, a huge brawl would start lol
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
and that is a reason NCAA wants it out of their games
@@deankirkpatrick7658 amen my fellow college umpire
Tim Anderson did this in recent years. It didn't end well. Bean balls.
No pro that I know of would risk throwing a bat that far! They're smarter than that! Plus a bit more on them line....
That’s definitely worthy of an ejection. Good call.
Soft
@@Quawnnmore like respectful. Bat flips like this are classless.
@@tjottesen soft
@@Quawnn damn, just read your profile description. You played me.
I’m in my mid 40’s. I don’t mind bat flips at all when there’s something on the line, walk off or coming back from a deficit.
I’ve spoken will Bill Madlock about this a few times. As he put it “if a pitcher makes a good pitch I want him to fist pump or show emotion, same with a batter. If I get a hit or hit a home run you are allowed to show emotion, except when you are trailing and never stand a shot at a comeback”.
Why put conditions on it? You either want the bat flips or you don't. If a team is down 12-1 and a guy homers, and he flips a bat to get his team juiced, then eat the fucking bat flip and keep quiet. A homer is a homer is a homer, just like bat flips.
My favorite "bat flip" ever was Eric Davis, 1990 world series game 1 off of Dave Stewart. Set the tone for the entire series, and Eric the Red acted like he'd been there before. He never had; at least not on that stage. But that was the most professional "flip" I've ever seen.
I looked up a clip and he didn't flip it, barely even dropped it, more like set it down with a teddy bear and a blanket.
@@babababad exactly.
@@TehDrewsus back then, in a World Series game, anything more would have earned a beaner. Players had to have a lot more self control. Thanks for the illustrative example.
Good question. Not sure of favorite bat flip of all time but favorite bat SPIKE was the Phillies Rhys Hoskins last year in the NLCS.
Not sure how to officiate what is and what isn’t acceptable. Obviously there has to be a “standard” on what you can and cannot do. Safety has to be considered when deciding. I think celebrations make the game more fun.
or... he could lay down the bat and run the bases... "like he's been there before" (one of the greatest coaching quotes/pieces of advice EVER)... and then we have no issue...
That should not be an ejection. Players are allowed to celebrate. If the other team has an issue they should do a homerun of their own and celebrate their way.
Well, as you know, NCAA has told us to get this out of the game. This wasn't just a bat flip, this was a bat toss. It was meant to demean the pitcher and have a LOOK AT ME moment. It's not sporting whatsoever. I support the EJ
I’m not for showboating - but if you are truly a competitor and mentally tough - this bat flip would do nothing but make you want to beat the other team even more than you already did. A warning by the ump would DEFINITELY be warranted IMHO, but I don’t know about an ejection, especially if that player was behaving reasonably for the whole rest of the game with the exception of that moment.
@@CamaroSS-sy2ei it is an ejection by NCAA rules, period.
@@digger11000 I don’t think the discussion was about the wording of the rule - it was about the interpretation. For the record, if I was this players coach, his ass would look like it was ran through a lawn mower after my ass chewing for making that interpretation possible.
Yes, but the fact is the bat throw is demeaning and could result in a fight later in the game, especially if the other team does it. However, about the rules. Rules are written to avoid having to interpret them as that could cause issues. In this case there is no interpretation needed its cut and dry. The rule is written verbatim to avoid conflict or confusion. In addition, this has been a point of emphasis in the rules for a few years now. Having been a basketball official for 20 years, going to camps learning what the rules are and learning how to apply them takes years of work. What upsets me is the fact that most players and coaches don't know the rules. The other thing that upsets me is how the coach reacted to the umpire. This is unprofessional to say the least. There is alot of thought that goes into writing the rules, more so than people realize.
@@digger11000 I agree. If I was the coach, my problem would have been with my player, and not the umpire. I may have asked about it, but hopefully I wouldn’t get rude with the ump. I’m not calling the coach a bad coach. But part of coaching is teaching the game - which includes the rules. So there was clearly a failure to teach, or a failure to learn. And for the record, I do appreciate the people that officiate games so that people get to play them. It’s a thankless job, and it shouldn’t be.
There is a fine line where its totally an umps judgement call on whats acceptable and whats over the top. That being said, this kid threw the bat 15 feet beyond that grey area line lol.
When I first saw this I thought he was thrown out because it's dangerous to throw a bat that far. If that plonked someone on the head, that would be bad news. Do we know he was thrown out because it was an excessive bat flip, or because the ump deemed it not safe?
or... he could lay down the bat and run the bases... "like he's been there before" (one of the greatest coaching quotes/pieces of advice EVER)... and then we have no issue...
@@cloudwatcher724 or you could let the kids have fun in the final years of their baseball careers instead of being a prudish baseball purist
NCAA rules forbid bat flips like this it falls under unsportsmanlike conduct and requires the player to be ejected for doing it.
@@MajinSupernova "prudish baseball purist". that may very well be the highest compliment anyone has ever paid me. thank you. i will wear the designation with pride.
@@MajinSupernova Yeah slinging the bat around on the field where other humans are present is a lot of fun. Just like pointing a gun at other people when at the shooting range is fun.
The bat did not end up in that spot, the bat was moved by our coach to the spot you see in the video. The video doesn't show where the bat properly landed, it landed up the third base line.
St olaf aggies won that game.
its a mute point. The application of the rule was correct by the umpire, they followed NCAA rules, cut and dry. It stinks but there are reasons why.
No. The bat didn't land "up the third base line." Everyone can see it was at it's apex over the baseline headed toward the dugout. That's exactly where it should be given the angle and height of the throw. And you can clearly see as it left the screen it wasn't headed anywhere parallel the third base line. And who would believe someone would come out, pick up the bat, then put it in front of the dugout for no apparent reason?
@@Nuschler22 3rd base coach moved it out of the way so he could do his home run trot and then a player grabbed it and moved it over there. Were you there?
@@Nuschler22 okay Mr. Science. But you forgot one tiny thing: a bat, especially one flipped, didn't just hit the ground and stop dead. It bounces and rolls depending on how it lands.
Let the kids have their moment no one injured just flexing a bit
I think the distance and the aggression of the bat flip matters. It could be an argument that a bad bat flip with those characteristics may oppose a safety issue!!
I’m sorry but EVERY sport has some way to express your excitement over a pivotal spot in an emotional 2 to 3 hour game. All the other spots implement some type of penalty. I thought it was awesome!!!!! The umpire should have given him a warning and move on. Then on all levels of Baseball make a new rule that if you flip your bat that team will start with one out automatically going into the next inning. AWESOME Bat Flip!!!! Keep enjoying the game, and have fun playing it.
Torii Hunter had the best throws, low and fast. Only rule should be, keep the bat going towards the dugout.
One of the problems is the NCAA won't come out and clearly define unsportsmanlike conduct and examples of some of the things that constitute unsportsmanlike conduct in the rulebook. It needs to be in the rulebook too not left to conference supervisors or the NCAA supervisor of umpires for each division to decide. There is A LOT of politics that goes on and disagree at those levels on how to handle certain things. The Coaches committee has the power to institute rule changes and they won't define it because they don't want it penalized for something they voted for when they can just either say it was a gray area and they shouldn't be punished for it or complain to the conference when it happens and it goes against their team. If they spell out in words that are appropriate for a rule book that pimping a home run in any way including a bat flip is unsportsmanlike as well as other situations such as taunting. Taunting is in the rule book and the pitcher from Florida did taunt the opposing team in that situation earlier this year but if it were more clearly defined in rule book guys wouldn't be looking right at someone and basically celebrating or talking smack right for all practical purposes right in their face and rubbing their nose in it so to speak which can be something as small as a look into their dugout with a certain body language. So overall I think being more clear in the rules will help this situation to be handled more uniformly one way or the other. My personal view is that bat flips warrants a team warning on the first offense and ejection after that. This one especially warrants ejection both for the pimping aspect and the safety aspect, it was just over the top in all regards in my opinion.
Afternoon... a good question. Do you have an academy or where can I contact you to train my son, please? thank you
The game is supposed to be fun. Now what led up to this moment? Was this player involved in a previous altercation during the game because if not, this ejection is very premature. Give a warning talk to the coach and all. Otherwise there’s no reason for an objection for this. Let the kids play.
Keep this simple - what is the rule? Umpires have a job to do. You show up your opponent by hitting the home run or strike out. Not by a ridiculous bat flip. These on field emotional taunting celebrations (lack of self control) degrade the game. Then you have so called managers pandering to their players and get ejected for this call. Sportsmanship should still exist in the game especially at the college level.
Here here! I say zero tolerance for bat flipping, celebratory crap, fighting, bench clearing etc etc etc. I've had enough of all the crap that has nothing to do with playing the game.
Just needs the rule to be consistent, doesn't affect whether I would watch if they ban bat flips. "Drop your bat like you just popped up to the infield for the third time in a row that game" is fine. Heck, claim it to be a safety thing. Just make sure the umpires can enforce it consistently, or more importantly, can't do it inconsistently.
are you saying the umpire was biased?
@@digger11000 Not this or any other specific umpire, but in general, judgement calls that result in ejections should be a lot more narrow.
I’m in my 40’s, so I grew up with the stodgy unwritten rules. I have no problem with the bat flips though. That one went pretty far though. Definitely don’t want anyone getting injured as a result of a bat flip.
or... he could lay down the bat and run the bases... "like he's been there before" (one of the greatest coaching quotes/pieces of advice EVER)... and then we have no issue...
@@cloudwatcher724 That’s how most of my coaches would have explained it to me had I done something like that.
There was nobody in the area. . . Let the kids have fun. . Umpires need some midol
@@jamedlock83 let me guess..... you have a shelf FULL of participation trophies.....
@@cloudwatcher724 kids game bud.
tardes.. una pregunta usted buenas tiene una academia o donde lo puedo contactar.para entrenar a mi hijo por favor . gracias
I don't have a problem with bat flips in general but this is going to get to the point of being an actual safety issue the way the guys are just throwing the bat
This one wasn't really a bat flip it was more of a throw and it landed about 5 feet in front of his own. dugout he shouldn't have been ejected. I think some umpires get a bit over zealous in there positions.
its unsportsmanlike behavior by NCAA rules regardless of how people feel about it.
@@sdotp1215 By NCAA rule it is an ejection for unsportsmanlike conduct, cut and dry
@justin baylor yea I understand that but. I just feel like it's stupid. But rules are rules I guess. To me it's kind of like laws that prevent you from beating the brakes off someone that breaks into your house simply because there was another way for you to get out without encountering the intruder. I don't like that either but it's the law. Just feel like somethings are stupid and should sometime be looked on on a case by case basis. That's all
My favorite bat flip was the batters helmet flip of Bautista after Odor blew him a kiss at 2nd!
Batter should be free to do anything he wants if he takes the picture yard for a homerun.
Of course, he also has to understand nobody is going to like it. So if you likes flipping bats he also has to like getting back in the against 115 mile-an-hour fastballs thrown at his head.
tough call. It is quite possible it will lead to retaliation and you have to keep control of the game and players safe. so maybe it was a good call.
What happens when a pitcher starts tossing his glove in the air on a 3rd strike, 3rd out? Its getting a little out of hand.
Pitchers are excessively coddled, only THEY can taunt
I'm fine with the ejection in this case as he threw it far enough that someone could get hurt by the bat. We call 5 year olds out for throwing the bat like that so why not him? You could just call him out on the spot for throwing his bat 😂
no, you can't. the home run over the fence is an immediate dead ball. as long as the batter/runner runs the bases legally, he is entitled to the run which he has earned. now, his conduct involving the bat flip, in the opinion of the plate umpire, was deemed excessive; so, the minute he crosses the plate, he is subject to any disciplinary action, including ejection.
That's a tough one. Showing excitement is certainly a good thing, as playing baseball can be very taxing mentally. That said, college is still a time to learn the boundaries and how to be excited without showing up the other team. It's definitely a judgement call on a case by case basis, but I think this was a reasonable call.
Side note, I was relieved that the umpire waited for the player to round the bases first. The way it was clipped together the first time, I got worried that he would be tossed immediately, forcing the team to forfeit the run, which would not be reasonable
In college we can ej and still count the run
It’s an ejection all day long. Really surprised it’s even a question.
ALL DAY!
Good job by the ump.
The NCAA has points of emphasis every year. This year one of the major points was the elimination of bat throws and excessive homerun celebrations. Tough to criticize the umpire here. What you'd like to see happen is after the ejection the coach comes out and says to the player, "look, I appreciate your enthusiasm and your competitiveness, but we just can't have that. It's just taking things too far."
Good call, when batista did that it was the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen in baseball and that's how fight's start.
Here’s the deal… a backflip is just that a flip, the back goes 5 feet maybe 10 feet at the most. Now I would consider this, throwing the bat and a bit excessive. I do think he has warrant a warning and not ejection. I love celebrations, and I love showing the other team up because I think it’s part of the game, you just have to be careful when the bad is going that far.
Also, homeruns are rare, .8 per game in D1. So at most you can expect to see one bat flip per game. Obviously odds are much less than 1 per game. Many homeruns are not no doubters, plus hitter's individual attitudes in specific situations, and then of course player preference for bat flips in general. Bat flips are never going to become common. Because nuked, no doubter homeruns are not common. "Act like you've been here before" Ha! They probably haven't! Let them do it, they literally may never get another chance. Most of these kids are not Mike Trout, Aaron Judge or Pete Alonzo.
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is there a rule on how you can flip the bat? i agree this was an abnormal flip of a bat, i would not even consider this a bat flip but as a coach i would ask to see the rule, and if it was an unsportsman like conduct issue then it is just in the opinion of the umpire and there is no argument.
I know I'm probably in the minority on this one...ban bat flips all together. There's nothing good that can come from them. They can be dangerous and are only going to get more dangerous as these players keep getting air time for their ridiculous bat flips. You want to celebrate your home run, do it in the dugout. Bat flips(throws), yelling and screaming as you round the bases, show boating, and all that is a really poor way to play the game in my opinion. Round the bases like you have a shred of class and get your high fives and excitement out in the dugout. That's my opinion.
Bat flips are a joke and shows how soft baseball has gotten at all levels. If you did this stuff in the 90's or any decade prior, you would get one in the ear the next time up. It goes on because baseball doesn't police itself anymore.
In football a player can get a personal foul but remain in the game if he does another he's gone, the same for the NBA if a player gets 2 technical fouls, but what kind of penalty can be assessed in MLB or colleges but allows the player to remain in the game? a warning? meaning 2 bat flips and you're gone? How can you penalize or punish a guy in college or the MLB but he can stay in the game?
I think this is primarily a safety issue. By throwing the bat, he could have hit his third base coach or a teammate warming up to bat. I don't know what the line is, but I think this crossed it. You can't be throwing large metal objects around without regard for others' safety.
I had a umpire tell me that you are only supposed to eject a player on a bat flip if he throws in the direction of the other teams dugout or is taunting. I didn't see either
What about slinging it at the ump or into the stands? Fair game?
@Letz Rock he was talking about a taunting issue. Serious question in my son's high school game. My sons teammate drew a walk, which put the winning run into scoring position. He was excited threw the bat, and it bounced and hit my son in the knee. He was alright, but should his teammate be thrown out of the game for pure excitement?
@@jimmymcnamara4742 Yes, in hockey you get penalized for being careless with your stick or using it like a weapon. A baseball bat, which is even more capable of hurting someone, should be treated with even more care…and throwing it stupidly and carelessly towards anyone on the field should be treated as a serious safety violation.
The camera angle does not show it, but, what if his own team mates came off the bench to watch the ball clear the fence and that bat came close to hitting them. Is that excessive? Is that unsportsmanlike? Dangerous? Would that warrant his ejection? As an umpire, with 35 years in, under this circumstance, I watch where the bat goes, my partner has the ball. If that bat gets to close to the dugout and other players then the batter is ejected. I do not know if that is the case here but it is a scenario. BTWE, I HATE bat flips. The defensive team gets offended if it is a theatrical flip and it escalates from there.
If it doesn't hit another player,no ejection.
That looked to me the same as a player throwing the bat back when getting a base on balls, albeit with some more enthusiasm. Not ejection worthy.
I am not familiar with college rules but based on other "safety" rules in HS and college sports, I imagine that there is a rule about throwing equipment in a way that may endanger other people on/around the field. So this isn't a no-fun ruling as much as it's a ruling regarding not throwing a stick of aluminum around without consideration.
Not much of a throw but more of a toss, and it's towards his own team. Bat flips are fine but showing up the other team is not.
Vlady Jr got some of my favorite bat drops 😅
To answer your question, ALL bat flips are preventable, the first 80+ years of the game saw 100% of all home runs go without one. Let's be men again, whaddayasay? We're not girls out of control of our emotions (yup, I said it), we're not little boys any more who need to show the other team up with juvenile displays. Drop the bat, jog the bases, celebrate with your teammates at home, and in the dugout.
To respond to this particular bat THROW, as it pertains to modern precedent though, I would actually say no, no ejection. If the bat came within a country mile of an opposition player, absolutely. It almost seemed like he was just trying to save the bat boy a few steps, it didn't even really seem celebratory. It seems strange, but I guess in the end, the ump was looking out for the safety of his own teammates.
One thing for sure - it was incredibly stupid.
I would like to see everyone go after the game and be ready for another game.
It’s a point of emphasis to the umpires this year . The coaches know it. We’ve been told to eject players.
I love the flip, pitchers get to celebrate let the hitters celebrate too!
Exactly!!
@@Robbie1075 when is the last time you saw a pitcher throw his glove thirty feet?!?!? how idiotic would that look??? celebrate, yes, but you don't need to send whatever piece of equipment you have available airborne...
He will not throw the bat again like that.
Definition of Umpire: an official who watches a game or match closely to enforce the rules and arbitrate on matters arising from the play. In My opinion the player who threw the bat 15-20 yards has to be removed from the game. Excessive celebration, Unsportsmanlike conduct, and He could of hurt someone. If the Umpire doesn't control the Emotions of Players on the field, then every Player would be doing some like this. Throw your bat in a safe direction after you win the Game. Keep it off the field so to speak. Thanks for sharing Matt.
All collegiate and Highschool rules a bat MAY NOT be more than 3 and 1/2 length from home plate at the start of a run. Always been the rule but rarely enforced. Been to state and Nationals only seen enforced once? And he threw it towards opposing dugout, automatic ejection never got to 1st. Rules are not always enforced for the fever of the game.
If you don't eject the bat flip, don't get pissed off when the next batter gets thrown at. Don't come out and complain it was intentional and beg the pitcher to be ejected. Being thrown at typically comes after something stupid like this. He ejected himself. Period. Now I might get in the carchers ear and tell him to settle the pitcher down before he is run too. But this player only cared about his AB and not the next batter.
I think it should just come down to safety. A throw this far is a safety concern and worth a warning or ejection. A flip that isn’t so far to a safe area is fine with me. If defense doesn’t like it plunk him next time.
not only is this a safety concern it goes deeper than that what if the other team does the same thing? We could have a fight. Anyway its a mute point NCAA rules forbid it and the player was correctly ejected. That is the penalty for doing what he did.
There’s no reason to have tossed that bat like that in any level
2023 NCAA rule book very clearly states that first offense for a bat flip is a warning. Ejection was simply the wrong call based on the rule book.
That was in no way a bat flip. He threw the bat at Great speed for a long way. Continue reading your rule book to where it defines what a bat "flip" is. Umps discretion when it goes from flip to dangerous.
Also I never did see Johnny bench, hank Aaron, and many other true greats of the game do a bat flip. They had way to much class and dignity to pull something like that!!!!
Hank Aaron was also getting death threats on his way to cracking the all-time HR record...
So, batters have class but pitchers are asshøles? Got it.
Let the game police itself
We didn't have bat boys so lazy me would try and get it as close to the dug out
The ump is closer than I am and is in a position to know more about any words and attitude that accompanied the bat toss. Let him decide.
It depends, when it comes to flips in MLB one can argue that they’ve earned a celebration in a playoff series as such whereas someone in D3 baseball celebrating a home run to make a 1 run game in the 3rd.
Dayummm WTF, L4👀k's like he's trying to put 3rd baser eye out with that bat😱
Here's AB interesting take: if we're gonna toss players for bat flips, shouldn't we be tossing pitchers for their celebrations when they get a strike out? Let the players play. If the bat flip is excessive, deal with it like the ump did he in this video. Especially if the bat ends up becoming a safety issue due to its trajectory or where it lands. But, if it's just your run of the mill bat flip, who cares.
I’m a big fan of players staying in control of their emotions (Highs and lows). I think normally when a player shows up team he just takes one to the back next at bat. Is it better that the umpire handed before it gets to that point? I don’t know. Maybe at high school level and below. College level and up are all grown men let them to figure it out on the field.
the only high school player i have ever ejected in a 24-year career was a private conversation between me and the head coach. the coach handled it from there. no theatrics, no drama. at least, until the player's father met me on the way to the parking lot after the game. ahhh, the memories...
I would say issue a warning to the batting team as a safety concern for the thrown bat. As far as unsportsmanlike like. If you get shilacked off the mount you got more to pout about then getting shown up by the other team. “There’s no crying in baseball”
Warnings don't work these days... They just laugh at you
You swing the bat the ball hits the bat the ball goes flying you drop the bat. You don't flip the bat, you don't juggle the bat, you don't toss the bat, you don't let the inertia of the swing that hit the ball take the bat. You simply let go of the bat after removing it's inertia. Anyting else should be a penalty. period. The answer is very very simple there is no complexity to this question at all.
I'm assuming the umpire's decision to reject is based on a rule. In that case, the matter becomes interpretation of the rule and whether his was appropriate. Which is above my pay grade.
Toss 'em. Toss 'em all. Why is the bat down the 3rd base line? Why are we putting up with overgrown 5 year olds? Lack of leadership on the part of the coaches, lack of parenting, lack of class and lack of dignity. The bat should be dropped on the way to 1st base, off of the field of play.
That is why you have an umpire. It is a judgment call in any baseball game, just like making calls of safe or out, strike or ball.
I think a little flip is great! On the other hand I don't think that throwing a bat is ever going to be OK. That dude actually had a wind up!
Ken Griffey Jr had the best home run celebration.
Now i see a whole series of criteria for a bat flip vs a bat toss, kinda like defining a catch in football. Oh, brother...
Because the bat traveled through the field of play, it should be an ejection. Had it been down the first base line, i would be unhappy (act like you've been there before) but would argue that there's no reason to eject someone.
Throwing the bat through the field of play? Even just across the corner of the diamond? You're gone. Every single time.
Ump is team petty!😮
Robot celebration is NCAA approved.
It's not about safety for me, it's about an action that is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike. As far as what is acceptable vs. what is not, it does not need to be black and white, or prescriptive (in other words, if you flip the bat 17.33 feet you will be ejected), because there are many nuances to each situation. Umpire's judgment call is fine. In this case, he judged rightly.
I don't care about "showing up the other team" as long as you're not cussing at them and being just extremely disrespectful. Bat flips, as long as they're not endangering anyone are completely fine in my opinion, and people that care so much about them are often just soft. That being said, this specifically was just dangerous. It 's a well deserved ejection because he could have literally hit and seriously injured somebody. That's the only reason why I agree with this kind of ejection. It has nothing to do with showing the other team up, just don't be an inconsiderate jackass while you're celebrating your homerun.
Whether it's dangerous or not is discretionary based on the circumstances of whether or not it could have seriously injured somebody. If you're throwing it 5 feet and nobody is in the area, then who cares. If you throw it 20 - 30 feet in any direction, you're clearly just being a jerk. If you throw it 5 feet and it was directly at someone, then that's also being a jerk. The ump should consider those types of factors when making the decision.
I see no problem with it as long as it's thrown towards your own dugout.. That way if anyone gets damaged.. You're only hurting your team... Let the team-mates, coaches, managers, and owners handle their own.
The point of the ejection is to punish the player for excessive celebration/ showing up the other team. Now let’s pretend the ump completely ignores the bat flip/ throw and the game proceeds. Does the opposing team now do something similar or more excessive? Or maybe the opposing team takes it upon themselves to punish the player. Takes one to the ribs or dome. Maybe even a hard slide. Anyway it goes that player has now put a target on his back. The ump tossing him eliminates all those scenarios. Some umps are a little too quick to toss but some also have learned from experience that if you don’t take action quick it can escalate quickly
Bat flips are poor sportsmanship at any level. Throwing a bat that far is not only VERY poor sportsmanship but also dangerous. I have ZERO problem with the guy being tossed.
The NCAA directed umpires to place emphasis on the code of conduct, in regard to excessive celebrations, taunting of opposing teams, and the throwing, flipping, and any other display of unsportsmanlike conduct use of bats, other than hitting. 2023 NCAA season started with this directive in place. All NCAA officials, School athletic personnel, coaches, and player's, have all been advised of the emphasis, consequences, and intent of the rule being amended and how it will be enforced, before the season was to begin.
It's just one more thing, like the pitch timer, that will be placed on college umpires to police...as if they don't have enough to manage in the game, as it is?
The bat flip in this example, in my opinion, judgment, and personal perspective, is that this was not a bat flip. This is a metal object thrown across a field of play, that could have caused a very serious injury, possibly death, if it had come in contact with any player, coach, fan, or umpire. We can't allow this type of wrecklessness in amateur baseball. This ejection was warranted and should have been followed with multiple game suspension? This shouldn't be allowed in professional baseball, either.
Anyone that doesn't like or agree with this, should take it up with NCAA College Baseball Committee, and Executive Director's.
I agree 200%
Have seen a kid end up in critical condition on vent due to a thrown bat. He survived but with handicaps. Kid who threw bat still, as a man has never forgiven himself
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Players these days are getting a little out of control with their excessive bat flips. It's becoming a safety hazard! Not to mention the possible HBP that might occur the next time he comes to the plate. It's toeing the lines of unsportsmanlike conduct. I think a good rule would be that the bat must stay within the dirt surrounding home plate.
Bat flipping is lame, but don't eject him for it. Let him get another AB so the opponent can put one in his ribs.
OMG! Whatever you do folks, don't express enjoyment in playing a frigging game. I'm sick of all the no celebration rules. Ruining sports nationwide! If he through the bat at an opposing player then yes, toss him. But shooting it off the playing field, in your bench's direction isn't a reason to toss a player
Bat flips should be illegal in the MLB and all of baseball! I think it's both stupid and unsportsmanlike. You hit a home run, fine. Just drop the bat and jog the bases. No need for showing off like that.
I don’t care about “showing up” that could have hit someone and that’s where I draw the the line. An object like that can be unpredictable in its flight and ground impact and it’s unnecessary. Drop the bat and run the bases like you’ve hit a home run before.
Dumb ejection. This is why all young sports fans are gravitating toward basketball. Basketball player will dunk on someone then step over him and stare down at him for 10 seconds and he'll stay in the game. Baseball player throws his bat because he's pumped he just hit a big home run and gets tossed. We need fiery, competitive players. That's what makes it fun!
First of all, I love baseball. However as much as it pains me to admit, its pretty boring to WATCH. When I PLAYED, I loved it. So as far as the celebrations go. Im all for it. Baseball NEEDS this showmanship in the worst way. To keep specifically the younger fans engaged. This particul;ar bat flip is excessive. I think id does warrant an ejection. The bat traveled damn near 40 feet. What if it would have hit someone, one of his teamates perhaps. If you let this slide, maybe it gets worse next time. Its a tricky thing when youre dealing with possibly setting a precedent. Throw his ass out. All that being said, that was a very nice hit.
Completely agree, except he knew exactly where he was throwing that bat. To his own teams dugout. Excessive yeah probably. But he knew where the bat was going.
The only thing I have seen (that you or Jomboy reported on) was the runner stepping the the first baseball recently. The rest seems like overzealous enforcement of some rule.
This ejection imo isnt for bat flipping per se imo, its more potentially endangering others
In kbo, npb, cpbl their flips are impressive but always goes behind away from anyone