Forming the HRE here seems to have the same problem as forming Rome in EU4. The prerequisites are so extreme that by the time you're allowed to form it it's already the end of the game and you have no time to actually make use of the formable nor does it have any neat ideas or missions.
Well Rome has neat ideas (and some missions, but you've probably completed them all by the time you form it). It's just that by the time you form it, as you say, there's little point in them.
Yeah, I think part of the problem is that the macro focus on nations instead of characters (like in CK) means that controlling a bunch of land just means less interactions since you can't really interact with yourself in EU. Best idea I can come up with offhand is something like a dynamic mission tree. You start off as Byz (or whoever) trying to survive, and when stabilized you can choose to become the de facto East Roman Empire and your mission tree changes to reflect that, continuing on until the end.
Wish they'd make a more diplo focused way to do this (or just have it so nations in general can form something similar). The HRE was a mess in EU4 as well, but it was my favorite feature in the game just from the slight amount of CK-like interaction going on between the member states. We need more of that!
technically you could've formed germany first before forming the HRE, as you can go from an empire to a hegemony. it would've been so much easier to launch a unification play against all the german minors instead of puppeting a few every couple years ;)
Laith, the clip at 37:54 demonstrates an error in your knowledge of how GPs come to be. I have seen you make this mistake before, so I pray that my comment somehow finds my way to you. For a country to become a GP, need only be: 1. Recognised 2. Not subject to any other country 3. Prestigious enough (at least 5 times the global average or 0.75 times the global highest prestige) If a country is unrecognised, they need to fight a GP to become recognised, but *recognition is not the same thing as GP status.* Uruguay at the beginning of the game is recognised. They do not need to force recognition to become a GP. They in fact *cannot force recognition. The war goal is not available to nations which are already recognised.* If Uruguay gained 250 prestige instantly at the beginning of the game, they would become a GP. That's it. No war is necessary. Paraguay could simply develop £75M GDP and they would become a GP. This is because *Paraguay starts the game as recognised. They do not need to force recognition to become a GP.* The Great Qing does. But forcing recognition doesn't instantly make you a GP either. If Sokoto at the beginning of the game managed to force recognition against Great Britain, they would become a minor power. That's it. Sokoto does not have enough prestige at the beginning of the game to become anything other than a minor power. Also, being the junior partner in a customs union counts as being the subject of another power. It's dumb, but it's impossible to become a GP while in the French market. Unless you're France, of course.
lol i did the same thing a bit back with this mod and went back into my save games to see when i formed it. formed it literally one year after you formed yours, equally a pain
The thing I've remembered since release is that if u play as Austria then u take Bavaria and Hesse-Kassel into your customs union and therefore cut the Prussians of from their steal industry in the west.
Glad to see you’re still playing Vic3! Seeing as you can form the HRE and Rome and all the important titles, plus colonization, plus Russia already exists, there’s no reason for you to play a boring ass campaign like playing as a colonial Novgorod that doesn’t form Russia in EU4.
Laith can you please change your back ground music. Its getting very distracting hearing the same music everytime I watch your videos especially when I binge your videos.
Laith is quickly turning into a map-game-wage slave like ISP and I¨m here for it. Bless the modern despair.
And just like ISP, he won't play banat
@@thememehead banat 500k
Except Laith is actually entertaining
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Bless the late stage capitalism!
Forming the HRE here seems to have the same problem as forming Rome in EU4. The prerequisites are so extreme that by the time you're allowed to form it it's already the end of the game and you have no time to actually make use of the formable nor does it have any neat ideas or missions.
Well Rome has neat ideas (and some missions, but you've probably completed them all by the time you form it). It's just that by the time you form it, as you say, there's little point in them.
Yeah, I think part of the problem is that the macro focus on nations instead of characters (like in CK) means that controlling a bunch of land just means less interactions since you can't really interact with yourself in EU.
Best idea I can come up with offhand is something like a dynamic mission tree. You start off as Byz (or whoever) trying to survive, and when stabilized you can choose to become the de facto East Roman Empire and your mission tree changes to reflect that, continuing on until the end.
I mean, with formables in Vic 3 it does literally nothing except a name change. So there's nothing to make use of.
@@StalwartTirith That's what they did with the Teutonic Order.
yeah like most formables in hoi4 too its more like an achievement
see, the problem with advanced tech starts like this is that laith has already unlocked himself before the video starts smh
Bro
This joke will never get old. Plz never stop telling this joke.
Le tour, c'est Laith.
Sadly this joke doesn't work in French... 😂
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"I'm gonna go back to modding Victoria 3"
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Wish they'd make a more diplo focused way to do this (or just have it so nations in general can form something similar). The HRE was a mess in EU4 as well, but it was my favorite feature in the game just from the slight amount of CK-like interaction going on between the member states. We need more of that!
This upload time is so much better than the usual one close to midnight^^
Oh does that mean there won't be one at midnight? Dang.
@Louisianimal I assume that's why he said this time is better, than the midnight uploads, like the one 14 hours ago... but that's just a guess
this is a good upload time fore central europeing time (that is than around 20-21 hour)
You don't need sleep, you need Laith
You know the drill. I see Laith Vic3 , i click, i watch and i like.
I feel like this would be easier to do as Prussia because you can just peacefully merge with the little German countries.
It makes more sense as Austria though since they were the actual emperor for most of the HREs history
@@cptcatf1sh Yeah, that does make more sense.
Hey Laith! Be sure to research the Lathe!
The Mod is called Kikko’s formable and Releasable Nations :)
Laith: "Im tired"
My brother in christ you uploaded at 5am last night
can you do 1 where you make belgium greed wiht colony's and a greed literacy
Can’t believe our entire clock system relies on goddamn grenwitch
Paradox came out swinging 🤣🤣
technically you could've formed germany first before forming the HRE, as you can go from an empire to a hegemony. it would've been so much easier to launch a unification play against all the german minors instead of puppeting a few every couple years ;)
This video is a great way to start my weekend
Laith, the clip at 37:54 demonstrates an error in your knowledge of how GPs come to be. I have seen you make this mistake before, so I pray that my comment somehow finds my way to you.
For a country to become a GP, need only be:
1. Recognised
2. Not subject to any other country
3. Prestigious enough (at least 5 times the global average or 0.75 times the global highest prestige)
If a country is unrecognised, they need to fight a GP to become recognised, but *recognition is not the same thing as GP status.* Uruguay at the beginning of the game is recognised. They do not need to force recognition to become a GP. They in fact *cannot force recognition. The war goal is not available to nations which are already recognised.* If Uruguay gained 250 prestige instantly at the beginning of the game, they would become a GP. That's it. No war is necessary. Paraguay could simply develop £75M GDP and they would become a GP. This is because *Paraguay starts the game as recognised. They do not need to force recognition to become a GP.* The Great Qing does. But forcing recognition doesn't instantly make you a GP either. If Sokoto at the beginning of the game managed to force recognition against Great Britain, they would become a minor power. That's it. Sokoto does not have enough prestige at the beginning of the game to become anything other than a minor power.
Also, being the junior partner in a customs union counts as being the subject of another power. It's dumb, but it's impossible to become a GP while in the French market. Unless you're France, of course.
Yeah, this deserves a subsribe 100%.
lol i did the same thing a bit back with this mod and went back into my save games to see when i formed it. formed it literally one year after you formed yours, equally a pain
The thing I've remembered since release is that if u play as Austria then u take Bavaria and Hesse-Kassel into your customs union and therefore cut the Prussians of from their steal industry in the west.
"Not sure why the bug decided to kill itself trying to blind me; but good effort." xD Rofl
Laith you clearly need to conquer Canada as Quebec
HRE is easy to form - you go for gigagermany strat and after you need only one or two states from Swiss (depends on if you got alsaice-loraine)
11:00 explain yourself Lathe, where did Bavaria go?!
IT ISN'T 2AM YET LAITH WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
The Social Streamers actually streams? How unexpected
I did it as Germany and formed the Pan European technate. Turns out forming Germany peacefully and taking everything else by force is super effective
Advancing on france without order, got your very own Rommell there
Glad to see you’re still playing Vic3! Seeing as you can form the HRE and Rome and all the important titles, plus colonization, plus Russia already exists, there’s no reason for you to play a boring ass campaign like playing as a colonial Novgorod that doesn’t form Russia in EU4.
Laith, how much do you bench, for the fifth time already
Someone knows how to increase performance ?
Already in the 1860 the game run very slowly
I wanna see more after the end content
Paradox: "You are my bitch."
Laith: *Squiming British Sounds* "RUFF! RUFF!"
Koifish: "Oh, you have become a bitch-boy too I see." *Swedish Dog sounds*
its is mod or new feature in news updates ??.
The Mod is called Kikko’s formable and Releasable Nations :)
Is this a mod? When i play austria i can only form germany???
Can you not get sugar from fruit orchards? 15:11
You said you didn't know how to respond to Paradox, but are you into it though? Never got that cleared up.
Lore of I formed the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE in Victoria 3 momentum 100
I mean, you can follow the German path until right before forming Germany and that might work better.
Challenge World Conquest as Qing
Where does Laith stream?
1000 is the max infamy unless you mod defines
Renovatio Imperii!
Do colonial Novgorod.
Hey, what mods are you using? And which one is the one that contains those nation formations?
You forgot belgium and netherlands aswell as the alsace region
Not without Alsace-Lorraine you didn't
Name of the mod??
damn this was really painful to you, huh? well next time you should try making the european federation then! double the pain mwahahaha!
The french sent their best troop to sabotage you
you stream on Thrusday?
Laith i have an Idea what if you did the knights part 2 wouldn't that be a HumongoGeniusBig200IQ play you would the number 1
Hope you enjoyed your dinner
Couldn't you have formed Germany first and then HRE? I mean I guess Austria doesn't have the events to just integrate the little guys sooo yeah
What is the mod called
The Mod is called Kikko’s formable and Releasable Nations :)
could you do a mushasha run please ?
What’s the mod?
0:09 yeah what happened to the spanish gf?
idk why but the video quality looked worse with this video. might be the only one, but it was noticable.
Can Russia form other Hegemon-tier nation in this Mod?
Can you make a video about croatia in victoria 3
Build MORE COAL
One Proud Bavarian never saw this one coming.
WTF are arctic states? Is that Hudson's Bay Company?
Form the E.U.
Laith can you please change your back ground music. Its getting very distracting hearing the same music everytime I watch your videos especially when I binge your videos.
only girls with chokers like the hre
Day 1 of requesting a Sardinia-Piedmont campaign
It is day 79 of asking you to do the Croatia challenge in VIC 3
Day 8 of asking laith for an eu4 colonial novgord game (preferably without forming russia)
Day 11 of requesting our leader laith, to please for the love of bramash, play more eu4 anbennar.
This dude is always tired
Play hoi4 artillery only
Sorry, but as I long time follower. Have to ask how he’s playing paradox games, and not being sexy doing other things.
WHY DOESNT HE USE HIS AUTHOITY, i swear his videos are unwatchable because of it
Day 29 suggesting forming the empire of the Caribbean in after the end
No shoutout to one proud bavarian? Lame...
Day 38 of demanding an eu4 colonial Novgorod game (no forming russia)
Ello
"ex girlfriend" so... you single? asking for a friend 😅
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