For those ordering one from auction sites etc, it is important that you have the special control system as shown in this video. Due to the incompatibility with DC and DCC without the controller you might be just buying a shelf ornament. About fifteen years ago I saw some displayed at an exhibition. Due to the high current these draw to boil water, the track was getting very hot to touch. My thought was this may be solved with heavy duty wiring to each track section so the heating current largely flows through bus bar type wiring with low resistive heating. Would also be better with large radius curves to help reduce high speed runaway derailments. A derailment can be very damaging with these as the steam will keep driving the wheels and valve gear when derailed. To combat the heat of the locomotive, it is advisable to handle with the supplied cotton gloves for safety. Issues like this contributed to Hornby ceasing production.
Yes all very good points to note John. I mentioned most of these in my first video which is why I didn't repeat them here. I've found that with most derailments though the loco tips over, so the driving wheels isn't as much of an issue as the loco scorching the scenery is... don't ask me how I know 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
I know! I'm still surprised that this was a commercially viable product that was mass produced, to a certain extent. Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching 😃
Not gonna lie I saw the title and thought you were doing a live stream!!😂 Thanks so much for such an informative video, I’ve always wanted to know how these locos worked!
Haha, I can see why you'd think that! Funnily enough I actually am doing a Livestream next week - though probably not with this engine! Thanks for watching 😃
I think they had 7 different locos in the range originally - five A4s and two A3s. That said, I think Hornby could only fit the mechanism into the very largest of locos and even the A3 required a bit of alteration to get it to fit, so that's probably why it never expanded. Thanks for watching 😃
A work of art, a real steam loco in OO scale.... really gives another angle to the hobbie... Thanks for sharing... You said you could watch this all-day, I've watched this 3 times already lol😃Cheers Neil
The engineering is ingenious. Aster has made Gauge I live steam, but the usual gauge for model live steam railways approach a narrow gauge railroad, like 7 inches.
I can indeed confirm that the Hornby A4's that were tender driven with the old Ringfield motor, introduced in 1979, had the trailing pair of tender wheels articulated. I've got a few of them myself, but the updated version doesn't have them. Lovely to see the fascinating workings inside the live steam version here though, so thanks for making this video, and keep up the good work! :)
Ah, that makes a lot of sense! Hornby must have based this on the older tooling then, either to make it more stable or just to keep costs down. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 😃
Thanks so much for you clips on this subject. I bought one and it runs like a dream. If anyone doubts how good the are from the live stream that was clearly a 1 off. These are lovely machines when used correctly.
Glad you're having fun with your own live steam engine Joe! They really are wonderful little machines aren't they - I need to give mine a bit of TLC and get it running even better if I can! Thanks for watching 😃
Hi, just watched your last 009 layout build. You have made me very envious as those little engines look great on your layout. I particularly like the slate fence. The stone effect at the bottom the hill looks great too! You were very right to change the platform material. Thanks Joe
Had one of these (the flying scotsman) since about 2006. Not used it much but you've given me the impetus to get it back out and give her a few laps around the dining room table
They are a fun challenge to get going! I'd recommend running it on the floor initially rather than on a table though. They can be a bit of a handful and derail at speed while you're getting the hang of controlling it, so best not to give it a long drop too! Best of luck and thanks for watching 😃
My dad has one of these and they are a lot of fun. When they start rolling you have to back them off quite a bit or they go far to fast. I can see now that is from the slack so will try the long push. Thanks for sharing.
They are great fun! Yes, in my other video where I had this pulling coaches round a circuit, you can see I back it off quite quickly as soon as it starts moving. Certainly keeps you on your toes! Thanks for watching 😃
hello. thanks for these two videos on your live stem loco. I've been contemplating about getting one for years and having a go at an exhibition the other and now your review gives me hope of finding a Mallard set and giving it a go on my own on. thanks very so much. il be using this to aid in understanding how to set up when I finnaly get one. Will keep you posted. kind regards. and keep up the good work. Matt
Hi Matt, really glad to hear you enjoyed these videos and it's great they've inspired you to have a go at Live Steam yourself. There's certainly a bit of a learning curve at the beginning but it can be very rewarding if you're able to get it all working correctly - I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface! Best of luck with the search and yes, please do keep us posted. Thanks for watching 😃
Incredibly interesting. I thought OO Live Steam would be entirely run on a simple oscillating cylinder, impressed to find out how wrong I was. Including the whistle sound in the reverser is quite clever. Also, amazed that these are superheated. Wow. They aren't cheap though! I imagine the market just wasn't there for these, and most modellers with an interest in Live Steam probably set up O or G scale in the backyard (as I have done).
Yes it's impressive how much effort Hornby put into these tiny little marvels. You're not wrong about the price though!Considering locos hadn't really hit the £100 mark back then it was a lot (and still is) not helped by the fact that they had a reputation for being difficult to control. It was a fantastic range from Hornby but I doubt we'll ever see it again, and if we did I expect it would be even more expensive! Thanks for watching 😃
Stranger things have happened, zero1 was hideously expensive and hardly anyone got stuck into it... fast forward what do you know DCC is everywhere. The real wheel of the tender being articulated is normal for hornby stuff of that era, their A1s/A3s of similar age both have that
wouldn`t mind a live diesel class 66 !!! jokes aside, I can't say i`ve ever been a lover of the steam engines, but this is quite unique and I would consider a loco if the price came down. Thank you for sharing this video.
I think someone made a similar comment on my other live steam video - I wouldn't mind a Deltic personally! Yeah I think the price put a lot of people off initially and to this day they're still quite high even for used secondhand locos. Thanks for watching 😃
Thanks! It's worth mentioning too that on the rolling road it's not really facing any resistance. When it's on the track and having to pull a rake a coaches the slow speed very much improves as the locos generally tend to perform better when they have some weight behind them. Thanks for watching 😃
Yes they were quite expensive, especially considering that normal locos were mostly still around the £100 mark back then. But I agree they're absolutely great to watch both with the body on or off! Thanks for watching 😃
Yep, it works just like a real steam engine just with an electric heater instead of a fire. Definitely is as temperamental as real steam engine too! 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Well done chap,, you have given the OO live steam surface a good scratch,, there is much more to these beasties that many will fail to comprehend,, like the fact that they are real steam locomotives that run on real steam!!! LOL Thanks for the OO live steam club plug as well!! 👍🏻
Thanks Nick, glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve gradually gotten better at controlling it over the years but I wanted to give a shoutout to the OO Live Steam Club in both the videos I’ve done since that’s where I got most of my knowledge. Thanks for watching 😃
Thanks Matt! They are little marvels aren't they. When the world gets back to normal the 00 Live Steam Club are often at exhibitions with their test track so we'll worth keeping an eye out for them. Thanks for watching 😃
My pleasure, glad I could demystify it. Oh wow, I've seen a couple of those live steam Rockets - they're definitely on a whole other lever! Thanks for watching 😃
Glad you enjoyed it Dave! Yes it's a shame Hornby stopped making them but I can see why. Must be over 10 years now since they discontinued them although you can find them on eBay every so often. Thanks for watching 😃
Thanks! I deliberately got one that was a bit rusted and worn instead of one that had been freshly repainted. But I was surprised they weren't as expensive as I was expecting them to be. Thanks for watching 😃
Yes I think so. There's a rotary valve at the front which lets steam into the cylinders so I imagine it's part of that - at least that's what I assume. I'm not brave enough to take it apart to find out! 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Yes!! I’m going to be building another layout when I’ve moved home!! I run DCC, mostly with sound chips. My new layout will be Ongar Station in its current form.
Ah awesome! That sounds like a fantastic layout. I really need to get down to Ongar when things get back to normal, it's been on my list for far too long! Thanks for watching 😃
@@paulhorn2665 It’s one of my many passions, Paul!! I’ve been a volunteer at the Epping Ongar Railway since 2013 and really enjoy every moment I’m there.
Enjoy your visit to Ongar and stepping back in time into a GER station, it has come a long way in a few short years thanks to the volunteers, can't believe it was nearly derelict when I took over!! Simon (Former EOR GM)
It is a shame they're no longer produced, but I can see why Hornby stopped. It was always a bit of a gimmick and the internal workings only really fit into the largest steam engines, so there wasn't much scope for expanding the range. Still, I'm glad they had a go at doing something different! Thanks for watching 😃
It's great to see inside of it, just a shame Hornby only made LNER locos out of them and not GWR or Southern. How does it work in terms of boiler certificate, maintenance?
The LNER Pacifics were really the only engines big enough to fit all the internals workings into. The cost to have designed a whole new chassis would have made it even more unlikely. You don't need a certificate with these (similar to garden railway live steam locos) and, as long as you use the recommended distilled water, maintenance is minimal with regards to the boiler. Thanks for watching 😃
It would be interesting to run this on a glycerin/glycol mix to maybe create steam clouds ?? Nice explanation, pretty thorough and informative . Well done
Interesting idea! That said, you're only meant to use distilled water in these to stop everything clogging up, so I don't know how that would affect it over time. I did hear of someone who was planning to try a drop of smoke oil around the exhaust to produce more steam - sadly I never heard what the outcome was though. Thanks for watching 😃
I have the Mallard set, and the A3 "Papyrus" ......I'm delighted with them both even after almost 20 years Hornbys excuse for discontinuing this was that it was too expensive. The Mallard set cost me £350 in 2004, and I paid £200 for the A3 {loco only} in 2006. A decent large DCC loco is now £200/£300 ....and quite honestly, there is just no comparrison at all between the two. A ive Steam loco needs driving, with concentration & skill, it's very tempremental and no two are the same .....very much like the real thing.
Back then that was considered very expensive for a loco, given that most models weren’t £100 yet. There was also a global recession at the time too. I think if Hornby were to relaunch the live steam range the locos would easily be in the thousands this time round given that they’d be more expensive to make in the first place. Thanks for watching 😃
If the loco is jerky at low speed it's likely the seals in the cylinders have probably hardened with the heat, these are easy to change. I used to repair and service these locos whilst I worked at Hornby in Margate.
Good to know Jeremy! I did suspect that was the case and it's been on the list of jobs to do for a while but good to have it semi-confirmed by someone who knows a lot more about these than me. Thanks for watching 😃
Yep, that's how the engine moves. The steam moves from the super heater to the steam chest at the front of the loco and from there is directed to the cylinders to move the loco. Thanks for watching 😃
No, there's a safety valve which stops the pressure ever getting too high and if the water gets too low then the power to the heater cuts out automatically. Thanks for watching 😃
No that's actually part of the mechanism that lets steam into the steam chest and onto the cylinders I believe. The wiper board I show in the video is only for controlling the light in the cab but it's a good way to visualise how far open the regulator is. Thanks for watching 😃
Haha! 😂 I guess what I meant was, I'm just repeating what I've learnt from others. If you asked me any further questions I'd be stumped! Thanks for watching 👍
Yeah, it's great to see how it all works while in motion. Mine is a 2004 model but the range was first released in 2003 I believe. Thanks for watching 😃
Very nice ! TRS trains on Facebook do an updated safer version using just bottled water that is alot cleaner to the layout , safer and can be fitted to any loco out of the box usually and even synchronises each chuff wheel movement to the sound decoder fitted on the trains . If you have O gauge trains water vapour stea!m will even eject from the front wheels too !
Thanks Tim! Yes I've seen the TRS smoke generators. They're very impressive but live steam is a different beast entirely. If you just want to see smoke and steam coming from a loco then smoke generators are a great option but the point of live steam is that it's a living, breathing steam engine, so to speak. Thanks for watching 😃
Hey Jasper, yep it's actually a steam powered loco. It does steam some of the time but usually when it's pulling a few coaches - it's hardly having to work here at all. The motor inside is just to open and close the regulator so it's the equivalent of standing in the cab of an actual steam engine and pulling the lever yourself. Thanks for watching 😃
It's a great shame that Hornby don't make this system any more - it was really novel and exciting. I'm told they had issues with the engines, the instructions to operate them and the fact they weren't compatible with the power systems for rest of their OO scale electric models. However, I think all that could have been resolved.
It is a shame and it would have been interesting to see how Hornby developed it further. I think the high price didn’t help either considering the world was entering a recession and most model trains were yet to cross the £100 mark at that point. Thanks for watching 😃
Ah fantastic, hope you've have great fun when it arrives! I'd definitely recommend starting out on a rolling road but it's very rewarding when you finally get the hang of controlling them. Thanks for watching 😃
i have just seen a video about it but its an old one featuring the commercial i always wanted hornby and right now i want that engine however i live in a poor country and we do not have enough money to buy the tracks details and the live steam engine itself
Ah yeah, I saw that commercial too. If it’s the same one I’m thinking of that was what got me interested in live steam too! Model railways can be an expensive hobby these days but it is possible to do it on a restricted budget if you’re willing to make a few compromises. Check out Budget Model Railways - they have some really good videos filled with plenty of tips and tricks for getting started without much money. Thanks for watching 😊
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy i just had a thought that popped in my mind that you can tear apart hornby live steam locomotives and then slap them inside other trains and modify the shell
I wonder how much Hornby were influenced by the Steamcraft range of OO and HO live steam models developed by David Taylor and sold from 1976 to 1982. Although the models of his that I have seen on RUclips are all gas fired, I recall Hornby having some arrangement with someone who developed an electric version. Perhaps this was David Taylor also. I used to see small ads in the back pages of the Railway Modeller of the period. Mainly UK models but a few US and German models I recall. Was thinking at the time that they used Wrenn die cast bodies for most to cope with the heat. Eg an A4 was one of the first. Even more expensive than Hornby live steam though.
That's really interesting John, I never knew about the Steamcraft range - a bit before my time to be honest but I'm surprised I've never come across them before now. I'm told the Hornby Live Steam engines were designed/created by Richard Hallam (don't quote me on that!) so it doesn't sound like they had anything to do with each other but I suppose they might have been inspired by the Steamcraft range. Thanks for watching 😃
I''m not sure how helpful this answer will be since I run a production studio but at the moment I'm mostly using a Sony HDV Z5. It's a fairly high end camera but I'm not sure they make it anymore. That said, some of my videos were shot on a 6 year old iPhone so having a big fancy camera is not always the solution to getting better videos. Thanks for watching 😃
Yes that is a bit of a shame. I can see why they made it like that though, otherwise you would have no idea when the direction had been changed. Thanks for watching 😃
There's no recycling marks on the body, though I've heard someone mention it might be a mix of plastic and ceramic. To be honest I'm not that keen on taking a knife to the body to find out though 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Your call, thank for the reply! It's not too difficult to scratch a clamshell somewhere on the inside where it won't show, but it is a bit like reading the tea leaves. Big difference between no glass fiber (GF) and some, but no telling whether it's glass balls or GF you're hearing, much less the percentage. Not sure how bakelite might react.
Have you seen the inner working of a real steam engine... now that is a real Heath Robinson contraption 😅 Like I said in the video, the wiper board is only a visual representation and in reality only controls the status lights. But in some ways having a an electric motor open and close the regulator is an ingenious way to get around the fact that physical cab controls at this scale would just be impractical. Thanks for watching 👍
Wow i always thought the live steam locos were electric locos that just had some artificial steam coming out of them, seeing an actual minature steam locomotive is amazing
It's an easy mistake to make as there are lots of models just like you describe, with a standard motor and then a smoke generator installed. But yes, the attraction with the Hornby Live Steam was that it was an actual working steam engine. The electricity was only used to heat the boiler and send commands to the regulator. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I mean like what valve does the actual steam use? the linkages on the side look decorative, I don't actually see them moving a valve above the cylinder
Hi Falleen, yes the controller is specific to the live steam locos. Mine came with Mallard as part of the starter set but they're not suitable to use with normal DC or DCC engines because of how differently they work. Thanks for watching 😃
It would be awesome but we're unlikely to see a live steam version anytime soon given the range has been discontinued for a while now. Perhaps we'll see one of these with their new smoke generator at some point though! Thanks for watching 😃
No, not at all. I had the body off for demonstration purposes but usually you just lift the coal load out of the tender to refill. If you're interested, check out the link to my other video on this in the description and you'll see what I mean. Thanks for watching 😃
So neat and intricate but not as intricate as a clock, you have to have a lot of patience to work on any of these small machines. Patients that I really don't have that's, why I stick the lawn mowers and tractors.
Yes definitely not as intricate as a clock, but then clocks don't have to withstand the pressure and movement of a steam loco. To be honest I barely have enough patience to repair my simple electric locos when needed, so it's anyones guess as to how I keep this running 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
It may have been designing in the UK but I'm pretty sure all Hornby stuff was being made in China by this point so you don't have to feel too jealous. Thanks for watching 😃
It probably could be improved in those ways. I wonder though if that takes the fun out of driving an actual steam engine - part of the point is that it's not as simple to drive as a typical DC model. Thanks for watching 😃
I’m working on my Illinois central 4-8-2 mountain type no 2600 ho and n scale hybrid live steam locomotive it runs off alcohol and it runs on smooth nickel silver n scale tracks
What a magnificent piece of engineering, although its ironic that the motor operating the regulator would be more than capable of driving the loco directly, without any steam equipment, but then it would be nowhere near as interesting.
They are fantastic to watch aren't they! Yes the motor could easily power the engine but as you said, that isn't the point. I suppose the same could easily be said for the larger scale live steam locos with RC controls that are operated via motors too 😆 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Always wondered what the motor was for ever since first seeing this in the hornby catalogue, was it something to control the steam flow, something to start the loco in motion, or was it powered by the motor with a bit of assistance from steam, a sort of hybrid, well now I know.
So this locomotive obviously neads steam oil but part of what makes up steam oil is mineral oil and typically either a synthetic animal fat or a real animal fat. Anyway mineral oil will destroy plastics. Is this hornby live steam oil plastic safe? 🤠
I've never heard any reports of the oil causing damage to the plastic. Considering these locos have been around for close to two decades, if there was an issue I think we would have heard of it by now. But honestly you only need a tiny drop in the resevoir so it shouldn't be going anywhere near the plastic anyway. Thanks for watching 😃
Sadly Hornby only made these for a brief period about 10-15 years ago but you can still find them on eBay every so often if you keep an eye out. Thanks for watching 😃
Hi Jack, there's lots of RUclips channels out there dedicated to showing you how to get started with streaming so I'd recommend having a look at those. They'll give you a much better idea of what's possible and will explain it much more thoroughly than I can here. Thanks for watching 😃
I wouldn't have thought of doing it this way. I would have tried to find a way to make the electric current operate the valve and have full valve gear on a gas fired boiler.
That's more similar to how large scale live steam engines work. They are mostly for garden railways though so you can understand why Hornby might not be keen on having people lighting gas fires near their layout. Thanks for watching 😃
@@michaelbujaki2462 To be fair, neither would I if I was trying to build one of these from scratch. Not sure I'd even be able to build a standard DC loco properly! 😆
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy That depends on your starting point. If I had to make the wire to wind my own motor I wouldn't even try. Give me a box full of parts and assembly instructions and I'll have it together in an hour.
Sadly Hornby stopped making these about 10-15 years ago but you can still find them on eBay (many unused) if you keep an eye out. Thanks for watching 😃
That would definitely be interesting to see. The mechanism only just fit into the 00 gauge locos so it might be a struggle in HO, but then a lot of the US locos are bigger than what we have in the UK so that might even it out. Thanks for watching 😃
Hi there would love to chat to you about your live steam, you have pricked my interest, maybe we could chat privately on this you you don’t mind , best wishes paul at Sandling junction
Hi Paul, sure feel free to send me an email to thatmodelrailwayguy@gmail.com - Though as I said in the video I'm far from an expert on these models so you might be better off taking a look at the OO Live Steam Club instead. Thanks for watching 😃
Indeed the main Hornby a4's use a different tender chassis without the pony truck. I also noticed that the locomotive itself is different (instead of the fixed axle with flangeless wheels there's a pony axle on the Locomotive, something Hornby did do on the older a4 models.) I guess its the old chassis tooling completely, seeing as the Hornby live steam models are pretty old already it seems.
Interesting, I read another comment earlier that said all the A4 tenders had a pony truck but I have to admit I didn't think that was the case. Yes the cartazzi truck is moveable on the live steam engine too. I think the newer A4s were around by the time these were released so I think Hornby just wanted to make it more stable on the track by not having the sliding flangeless wheels. That said I reckon these models are one of the few where the amount of detail isn't the selling point 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I don't think the A4s trailing wheels we're flangeless, although I believe there is something different about the profile, flat, instead of having a small angle like almost all other railway wheels.
I think the first battle there would be convincing Hornby to start producing N Gauge! I have seen someone successfully run a live steam 009 engine though so it's possible. Thanks for watching 😃
Hi Graeme, in the case of the Hornby Live Steam range the motor is there to act as the driver opening and closing the regulator to control the speed - since we can't fit our fingers inside the cab to use tiny controls 😉 It's fully working steam engine though. Thanks for watching 👍
Did they really! I never knew that. Obviously they had the front bogie and the cartazzi truck but I didn't realise the back wheelset on the tender was also a truck. Have to admit though, I've never come across another Hornby A4 model that has this feature though. Thanks for watching 😃
So there’s two things to note. Here the loco is on the rolling road and isn’t having to pull a load so it’s not working particularly hard - steam engines only puff when they need to after all. But if you just want to see steam then you’d be better off installing a smoke generator in a normal loco. The Live Steam locos are more about driving and maintaining a working steam engine and all the differences that come with that in comparison to a normal model. Hope that helps and thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Oh I understand that for sure. I have been working on smoke units in some of my engines, I was just imagining live steam would have more steam leaking from the cylinders and such like a full sized steam engine.
Oh it was definitely a gimmick but it was mostly let down by the driving instructions which were awful and led to the range getting a bit of a reputation. They were also quite expensive which didn't help during a worldwide recession either, so I suspect that's partly why Hornby dropped the range. Thanks for watching 😃
Yes, as I mentioned in the video it's on the rolling road so has no real resistance and no load to pull. Check out my other Hornby Live Steam video if you want to see it running round a circuit at a more realistic pace while pulling some carriages. Thanks for watching 😃
I never knew these engines existed, astonishingly glad I saw this .
Yes they did fly under the radar a bit! Glad you enjoyed the video though and thanks for watching 😃
They are expensive models though Antony Lawrence
Their is 10 to collect all up . Took me many years to get them all
For those ordering one from auction sites etc, it is important that you have the special control system as shown in this video.
Due to the incompatibility with DC and DCC without the controller you might be just buying a shelf ornament.
About fifteen years ago I saw some displayed at an exhibition. Due to the high current these draw to boil water, the track was getting very hot to touch. My thought was this may be solved with heavy duty wiring to each track section so the heating current largely flows through bus bar type wiring with low resistive heating.
Would also be better with large radius curves to help reduce high speed runaway derailments.
A derailment can be very damaging with these as the steam will keep driving the wheels and valve gear when derailed.
To combat the heat of the locomotive, it is advisable to handle with the supplied cotton gloves for safety.
Issues like this contributed to Hornby ceasing production.
Yes all very good points to note John. I mentioned most of these in my first video which is why I didn't repeat them here. I've found that with most derailments though the loco tips over, so the driving wheels isn't as much of an issue as the loco scorching the scenery is... don't ask me how I know 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Good lord it's amazing how tiny all the mechanics are. Thank you for this informative video.
I know! I'm still surprised that this was a commercially viable product that was mass produced, to a certain extent. Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching 😃
Not gonna lie I saw the title and thought you were doing a live stream!!😂 Thanks so much for such an informative video, I’ve always wanted to know how these locos worked!
Haha, I can see why you'd think that! Funnily enough I actually am doing a Livestream next week - though probably not with this engine! Thanks for watching 😃
Wish Hornby did whole range of live steam locos
I think they had 7 different locos in the range originally - five A4s and two A3s. That said, I think Hornby could only fit the mechanism into the very largest of locos and even the A3 required a bit of alteration to get it to fit, so that's probably why it never expanded. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy interesting
A work of art, a real steam loco in OO scale.... really gives another angle to the hobbie... Thanks for sharing... You said you could watch this all-day, I've watched this 3 times already lol😃Cheers Neil
Thanks Neil, yeah they really are unique aren't they. The more I dig the more interesting I find them! Thanks for watching... all three times! 😃
It was my dream to see the mechanics of this engine from inside.
Thanks a lot for the Professional video guide.
Loved it
Ah brilliant, Happy I could help out! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 😃
The engineering is ingenious. Aster has made Gauge I live steam, but the usual gauge for model live steam railways approach a narrow gauge railroad, like 7 inches.
They are fantastic! There's also lots of 16mm/G Scale live steam engines out there too as it's very popular for garden railways. Thanks for watching 😃
I remember seeing the TV advert when I was a kid, and I'm still amazed how they work. Just noticed the flangless driving wheel
Ah the amount of times I watched that advert when I was a kid! Thanks for watching 😃
I can indeed confirm that the Hornby A4's that were tender driven with the old Ringfield motor, introduced in 1979, had the trailing pair of tender wheels articulated. I've got a few of them myself, but the updated version doesn't have them. Lovely to see the fascinating workings inside the live steam version here though, so thanks for making this video, and keep up the good work! :)
Ah, that makes a lot of sense! Hornby must have based this on the older tooling then, either to make it more stable or just to keep costs down. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 😃
What a legend replying to every comment
I try my best 😅 Thanks for watching 👍
Thanks so much for you clips on this subject. I bought one and it runs like a dream. If anyone doubts how good the are from the live stream that was clearly a 1 off. These are lovely machines when used correctly.
Glad you're having fun with your own live steam engine Joe! They really are wonderful little machines aren't they - I need to give mine a bit of TLC and get it running even better if I can! Thanks for watching 😃
Hi, just watched your last 009 layout build. You have made me very envious as those little engines look great on your layout. I particularly like the slate fence. The stone effect at the bottom the hill looks great too! You were very right to change the platform material.
Thanks Joe
Had one of these (the flying scotsman) since about 2006.
Not used it much but you've given me the impetus to get it back out and give her a few laps around the dining room table
They are a fun challenge to get going! I'd recommend running it on the floor initially rather than on a table though. They can be a bit of a handful and derail at speed while you're getting the hang of controlling it, so best not to give it a long drop too! Best of luck and thanks for watching 😃
My dad has one of these and they are a lot of fun. When they start rolling you have to back them off quite a bit or they go far to fast. I can see now that is from the slack so will try the long push. Thanks for sharing.
They are great fun! Yes, in my other video where I had this pulling coaches round a circuit, you can see I back it off quite quickly as soon as it starts moving. Certainly keeps you on your toes! Thanks for watching 😃
Nicely made video and very professional commentary - I always wondered how the Hornby live steam worked, now I know -thank you very much
Thanks Nigel, glad you enjoyed the video and found it useful. Thanks for watching 😃
A amazing little machine and a very well produced video - thank you
Thanks David, really glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 😃
hello. thanks for these two videos on your live stem loco. I've been contemplating about getting one for years and having a go at an exhibition the other and now your review gives me hope of finding a Mallard set and giving it a go on my own on. thanks very so much. il be using this to aid in understanding how to set up when I finnaly get one. Will keep you posted. kind regards. and keep up the good work.
Matt
Hi Matt, really glad to hear you enjoyed these videos and it's great they've inspired you to have a go at Live Steam yourself. There's certainly a bit of a learning curve at the beginning but it can be very rewarding if you're able to get it all working correctly - I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface! Best of luck with the search and yes, please do keep us posted. Thanks for watching 😃
What an amazing thing, never would have thought such a loco existed
They are amazing aren't they. I still can't quite believe it myself and I own one! Thanks for watching 😃
Incredibly interesting. I thought OO Live Steam would be entirely run on a simple oscillating cylinder, impressed to find out how wrong I was. Including the whistle sound in the reverser is quite clever. Also, amazed that these are superheated. Wow.
They aren't cheap though! I imagine the market just wasn't there for these, and most modellers with an interest in Live Steam probably set up O or G scale in the backyard (as I have done).
Yes it's impressive how much effort Hornby put into these tiny little marvels. You're not wrong about the price though!Considering locos hadn't really hit the £100 mark back then it was a lot (and still is) not helped by the fact that they had a reputation for being difficult to control. It was a fantastic range from Hornby but I doubt we'll ever see it again, and if we did I expect it would be even more expensive! Thanks for watching 😃
Stranger things have happened, zero1 was hideously expensive and hardly anyone got stuck into it... fast forward what do you know DCC is everywhere.
The real wheel of the tender being articulated is normal for hornby stuff of that era, their A1s/A3s of similar age both have that
Absolutely insane. I had no idea. Thank you for the breakdown.
Haha, yeah it's crazy how they fit it all in there. Such a clever system! Thanks for watching 😃
wouldn`t mind a live diesel class 66 !!! jokes aside, I can't say i`ve ever been a lover of the steam engines, but this is quite unique and I would consider a loco if the price came down. Thank you for sharing this video.
I think someone made a similar comment on my other live steam video - I wouldn't mind a Deltic personally! Yeah I think the price put a lot of people off initially and to this day they're still quite high even for used secondhand locos. Thanks for watching 😃
You'd need at least Gauge 1 and that would only allow a Live-Petrol Locomotive; the smallest real Diesel Engines available are about 10 HP.
Absolutely amazing. Pity isn't a better runner in the slower speeds but as you say I guess that can be sorted.
Thanks mate. Very interesting.
Thanks! It's worth mentioning too that on the rolling road it's not really facing any resistance. When it's on the track and having to pull a rake a coaches the slow speed very much improves as the locos generally tend to perform better when they have some weight behind them. Thanks for watching 😃
Onc run-in you can make them crawl, we do it regularly!! It’s down to how you set up the steam timing.
Out of my price range
But fascinating
Thanks for another little film
Yes they were quite expensive, especially considering that normal locos were mostly still around the £100 mark back then. But I agree they're absolutely great to watch both with the body on or off! Thanks for watching 😃
Great video. Really interesting.
Thanks John, glad you enjoyed it. They are fascinating engines, even if they are a bit niche! Thanks for watching 😃
I have one of these, but it hasn't come out of the box in years. I think I'll give it a try again!
Awesome! I'd definitely recommend a rolling road to help as you get used to driving it. Thanks for watching 😃
I didn’t know that it really uses the steam to move the wheels - great video 👍
Yep, it works just like a real steam engine just with an electric heater instead of a fire. Definitely is as temperamental as real steam engine too! 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Well done chap,, you have given the OO live steam surface a good scratch,, there is much more to these beasties that many will fail to comprehend,, like the fact that they are real steam locomotives that run on real steam!!! LOL Thanks for the OO live steam club plug as well!! 👍🏻
Thanks Nick, glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve gradually gotten better at controlling it over the years but I wanted to give a shoutout to the OO Live Steam Club in both the videos I’ve done since that’s where I got most of my knowledge. Thanks for watching 😃
Great video. So interesting to see how these models work. I've not seen one running in person yet but would good to see some time .
Thanks Matt! They are little marvels aren't they. When the world gets back to normal the 00 Live Steam Club are often at exhibitions with their test track so we'll worth keeping an eye out for them. Thanks for watching 😃
Often wondered how the regulator is driven inside! Thanks!
Glad to be of service! Thanks for watching 😃
I was wondering how they worked . thanks for showing I do have a hornby g100 rocket live steam running on 3.5" track
My pleasure, glad I could demystify it. Oh wow, I've seen a couple of those live steam Rockets - they're definitely on a whole other lever! Thanks for watching 😃
thanks for explaining it. ive thought of getting one but wonderful hornby arn't making them anymore so thats that.
Glad you enjoyed it Dave! Yes it's a shame Hornby stopped making them but I can see why. Must be over 10 years now since they discontinued them although you can find them on eBay every so often. Thanks for watching 😃
There are hundreds of new old stock sets out there just waiting to be shown some love and a rolling road,, go get one!!
Love your tain lamp, very cool. Looks almost shabby chic, so I might be able to convince my wife to get one 😅
Thanks! I deliberately got one that was a bit rusted and worn instead of one that had been freshly repainted. But I was surprised they weren't as expensive as I was expecting them to be. Thanks for watching 😃
😮woah I had no idea live steam this size excised and works
I know, it’s incredible isn’t it! Thanks for watching 😃
😊👍sure is your welcome
What is the part aligned with the axis of the loco rotating in conjunction with the drive wheels? Ah, Interesting. Rotary cam?
Yes I think so. There's a rotary valve at the front which lets steam into the cylinders so I imagine it's part of that - at least that's what I assume. I'm not brave enough to take it apart to find out! 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Yes!! I’m going to be building another layout when I’ve moved home!! I run DCC, mostly with sound chips. My new layout will be Ongar Station in its current form.
Ah awesome! That sounds like a fantastic layout. I really need to get down to Ongar when things get back to normal, it's been on my list for far too long! Thanks for watching 😃
That sound interesting!
@@paulhorn2665 It’s one of my many passions, Paul!! I’ve been a volunteer at the Epping Ongar Railway since 2013 and really enjoy every moment I’m there.
Enjoy your visit to Ongar and stepping back in time into a GER station, it has come a long way in a few short years thanks to the volunteers, can't believe it was nearly derelict when I took over!! Simon (Former EOR GM)
What a fascinating little engine! So sad that Hornby does not produce them any longer.
It is a shame they're no longer produced, but I can see why Hornby stopped. It was always a bit of a gimmick and the internal workings only really fit into the largest steam engines, so there wasn't much scope for expanding the range. Still, I'm glad they had a go at doing something different! Thanks for watching 😃
It's great to see inside of it, just a shame Hornby only made LNER locos out of them and not GWR or Southern. How does it work in terms of boiler certificate, maintenance?
The LNER Pacifics were really the only engines big enough to fit all the internals workings into. The cost to have designed a whole new chassis would have made it even more unlikely.
You don't need a certificate with these (similar to garden railway live steam locos) and, as long as you use the recommended distilled water, maintenance is minimal with regards to the boiler. Thanks for watching 😃
It would be interesting to run this on a glycerin/glycol mix to maybe create steam clouds ??
Nice explanation, pretty thorough and informative . Well done
Interesting idea! That said, you're only meant to use distilled water in these to stop everything clogging up, so I don't know how that would affect it over time.
I did hear of someone who was planning to try a drop of smoke oil around the exhaust to produce more steam - sadly I never heard what the outcome was though. Thanks for watching 😃
Wow, that is pretty neat!
They are aren't they! Thanks for watching 😃
so with the light in the cab does it mean what moshon it on? as like does it show green mean forwars and red mean backwarts?
No, green means the loco is ready to move regardless of direction, red means it's not ready to move. Thanks for watching 👍
I have the Mallard set, and the A3 "Papyrus" ......I'm delighted with them both even after almost 20 years
Hornbys excuse for discontinuing this was that it was too expensive.
The Mallard set cost me £350 in 2004, and I paid £200 for the A3 {loco only} in 2006.
A decent large DCC loco is now £200/£300 ....and quite honestly, there is just no comparrison at all between the two.
A ive Steam loco needs driving, with concentration & skill, it's very tempremental and no two are the same .....very much like the real thing.
Back then that was considered very expensive for a loco, given that most models weren’t £100 yet. There was also a global recession at the time too. I think if Hornby were to relaunch the live steam range the locos would easily be in the thousands this time round given that they’d be more expensive to make in the first place. Thanks for watching 😃
I NEED one if these
They are great fun once you figure out how to control them! Thanks for watching 😃
If the loco is jerky at low speed it's likely the seals in the cylinders have probably hardened with the heat, these are easy to change. I used to repair and service these locos whilst I worked at Hornby in Margate.
Good to know Jeremy! I did suspect that was the case and it's been on the list of jobs to do for a while but good to have it semi-confirmed by someone who knows a lot more about these than me. Thanks for watching 😃
soon we will have N SCALE live steam! hopefully!
I think there are 009 live steam engines so not far off! They were a lot more simple from what I remember though. Thanks for watching 😃
Is steam powering those outside cylinders? I can't see the valve stem moving.
Yep, that's how the engine moves. The steam moves from the super heater to the steam chest at the front of the loco and from there is directed to the cylinders to move the loco. Thanks for watching 😃
Can the boilers explode just like standard gauge engines?
No, there's a safety valve which stops the pressure ever getting too high and if the water gets too low then the power to the heater cuts out automatically. Thanks for watching 😃
What are the horizontal shaft and gears for, do they drive a lubricator?
No that's actually part of the mechanism that lets steam into the steam chest and onto the cylinders I believe. The wiper board I show in the video is only for controlling the light in the cab but it's a good way to visualise how far open the regulator is. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy interesting set-up, a rotary valve of some sort then I'm guessing
“I’m not an expert”
*Explains something some experts find hard*
Haha! 😂 I guess what I meant was, I'm just repeating what I've learnt from others. If you asked me any further questions I'd be stumped! Thanks for watching 👍
A glorious model!! Sadly, my layout has been cannibalised to help my model railway club rebuild the club digital layout.
They are really nice! Sorry to hear about your layout but hopefully you're able to rebuild or restart it soon. Thanks for watching 😃
Good morning to all.
Looks even better with the body off - mechanics are great to see. How old is the model?
Yeah, it's great to see how it all works while in motion. Mine is a 2004 model but the range was first released in 2003 I believe. Thanks for watching 😃
Very nice ! TRS trains on Facebook do an updated safer version using just bottled water that is alot cleaner to the layout , safer and can be fitted to any loco out of the box usually and even synchronises each chuff wheel movement to the sound decoder fitted on the trains . If you have O gauge trains water vapour stea!m will even eject from the front wheels too !
Thanks Tim! Yes I've seen the TRS smoke generators. They're very impressive but live steam is a different beast entirely. If you just want to see smoke and steam coming from a loco then smoke generators are a great option but the point of live steam is that it's a living, breathing steam engine, so to speak. Thanks for watching 😃
brilliant!!
They really are! Great fun to watch them in motion. Thanks for watching 😃
Wait, so it's actually a steam loco? I was expecting it to make a little steam to come out the chimney, but driven by a standard motor
Hey Jasper, yep it's actually a steam powered loco. It does steam some of the time but usually when it's pulling a few coaches - it's hardly having to work here at all.
The motor inside is just to open and close the regulator so it's the equivalent of standing in the cab of an actual steam engine and pulling the lever yourself. Thanks for watching 😃
It's a great shame that Hornby don't make this system any more - it was really novel and exciting. I'm told they had issues with the engines, the instructions to operate them and the fact they weren't compatible with the power systems for rest of their OO scale electric models. However, I think all that could have been resolved.
It is a shame and it would have been interesting to see how Hornby developed it further. I think the high price didn’t help either considering the world was entering a recession and most model trains were yet to cross the £100 mark at that point. Thanks for watching 😃
i ordered one of these of ebay, it's still being held due to brexit, but im really excited for it
Ah fantastic, hope you've have great fun when it arrives! I'd definitely recommend starting out on a rolling road but it's very rewarding when you finally get the hang of controlling them. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy thank you! i will remember that
i have just seen a video about it but its an old one featuring the commercial i always wanted hornby and right now i want that engine however i live in a poor country and we do not have enough money to buy the tracks details and the live steam engine itself
i dont think this comment will be noticed
Ah yeah, I saw that commercial too. If it’s the same one I’m thinking of that was what got me interested in live steam too!
Model railways can be an expensive hobby these days but it is possible to do it on a restricted budget if you’re willing to make a few compromises. Check out Budget Model Railways - they have some really good videos filled with plenty of tips and tricks for getting started without much money. Thanks for watching 😊
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy i just had a thought that popped in my mind that you can tear apart hornby live steam locomotives and then slap them inside other trains and modify the shell
I wonder how much Hornby were influenced by the Steamcraft range of OO and HO live steam models developed by David Taylor and sold from 1976 to 1982.
Although the models of his that I have seen on RUclips are all gas fired, I recall Hornby having some arrangement with someone who developed an electric version. Perhaps this was David Taylor also.
I used to see small ads in the back pages of the Railway Modeller of the period. Mainly UK models but a few US and German models I recall.
Was thinking at the time that they used Wrenn die cast bodies for most to cope with the heat. Eg an A4 was one of the first. Even more expensive than Hornby live steam though.
That's really interesting John, I never knew about the Steamcraft range - a bit before my time to be honest but I'm surprised I've never come across them before now.
I'm told the Hornby Live Steam engines were designed/created by Richard Hallam (don't quote me on that!) so it doesn't sound like they had anything to do with each other but I suppose they might have been inspired by the Steamcraft range. Thanks for watching 😃
I love the way British people say enthusiast
And jolly marvellous it is too! Spiffing even! 🧐 Thanks for watching 👍
That’s cos we are very enthusiastic about what we do and love doing. We are also nicely educated LOL!!!
Nice video :)
Thanks! 😃
I'm looking to upgrade my camera and was going to ask what camera you us
I''m not sure how helpful this answer will be since I run a production studio but at the moment I'm mostly using a Sony HDV Z5. It's a fairly high end camera but I'm not sure they make it anymore.
That said, some of my videos were shot on a 6 year old iPhone so having a big fancy camera is not always the solution to getting better videos. Thanks for watching 😃
Ok thx I film on my phone ATM and I wanted to upgrade
Trully a wonderfull loco, for me the only nitpick i have is that you cant blow the wistle withought changing direction.
Yes that is a bit of a shame. I can see why they made it like that though, otherwise you would have no idea when the direction had been changed. Thanks for watching 😃
Does the plastic body have any recycling marks..? Try scratching it with a knife edge and listen for the crunch of glass fiber?
There's no recycling marks on the body, though I've heard someone mention it might be a mix of plastic and ceramic. To be honest I'm not that keen on taking a knife to the body to find out though 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Your call, thank for the reply!
It's not too difficult to scratch a clamshell somewhere on the inside where it won't show, but it is a bit like reading the tea leaves. Big difference between no glass fiber (GF) and some, but no telling whether it's glass balls or GF you're hearing, much less the percentage. Not sure how bakelite might react.
It is in fact a thermo plastic developed to handle the high temps reached. Just under the chimney is the steam chest,, it runs at 270 deg Celsius!!
A fatastic piece of engineering but boy is that a Heath Robinson way to control it. That said I still would'nt mind owning one though.
Have you seen the inner working of a real steam engine... now that is a real Heath Robinson contraption 😅 Like I said in the video, the wiper board is only a visual representation and in reality only controls the status lights. But in some ways having a an electric motor open and close the regulator is an ingenious way to get around the fact that physical cab controls at this scale would just be impractical. Thanks for watching 👍
Wow i always thought the live steam locos were electric locos that just had some artificial steam coming out of them, seeing an actual minature steam locomotive is amazing
It's an easy mistake to make as there are lots of models just like you describe, with a standard motor and then a smoke generator installed. But yes, the attraction with the Hornby Live Steam was that it was an actual working steam engine. The electricity was only used to heat the boiler and send commands to the regulator. Thanks for watching 😃
What type of valve gear does it use?
Since it's a model of an A4, I would assume it's a scaled down version of Gresley's conjugated valve gear. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I mean like what valve does the actual steam use? the linkages on the side look decorative, I don't actually see them moving a valve above the cylinder
Is that controller specific to the live steam locos?
Hi Falleen, yes the controller is specific to the live steam locos. Mine came with Mallard as part of the starter set but they're not suitable to use with normal DC or DCC engines because of how differently they work. Thanks for watching 😃
How cool would it be if hornby made a heavy freight loco like an 8F or 7F mabey even a Thompson O1
It would be awesome but we're unlikely to see a live steam version anytime soon given the range has been discontinued for a while now. Perhaps we'll see one of these with their new smoke generator at some point though! Thanks for watching 😃
You have to take the body off to refill with water?
No, not at all. I had the body off for demonstration purposes but usually you just lift the coal load out of the tender to refill. If you're interested, check out the link to my other video on this in the description and you'll see what I mean. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy i did think it weird. Thanks for clearing that up so quickly! 👍😁
So neat and intricate but not as intricate as a clock, you have to have a lot of patience to work on any of these small machines.
Patients that I really don't have that's, why I stick the lawn mowers and tractors.
Yes definitely not as intricate as a clock, but then clocks don't have to withstand the pressure and movement of a steam loco.
To be honest I barely have enough patience to repair my simple electric locos when needed, so it's anyones guess as to how I keep this running 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Wonderful English people who are able to produce such a Jewel.
Noting like that in France ...
It may have been designing in the UK but I'm pretty sure all Hornby stuff was being made in China by this point so you don't have to feel too jealous. Thanks for watching 😃
Sounds like the regulator control could be improved with a position tracking system and dc steeper motor
It probably could be improved in those ways. I wonder though if that takes the fun out of driving an actual steam engine - part of the point is that it's not as simple to drive as a typical DC model. Thanks for watching 😃
I’m working on my Illinois central 4-8-2 mountain type no 2600 ho and n scale hybrid live steam locomotive it runs off alcohol and it runs on smooth nickel silver n scale tracks
Nice, sounds like a fun project. Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy it will take me a year to build it because I have to get everything like pipes tanks and chassis and wheels and running gear
What a magnificent piece of engineering, although its ironic that the motor operating the regulator would be more than capable of driving the loco directly, without any steam equipment, but then it would be nowhere near as interesting.
They are fantastic to watch aren't they! Yes the motor could easily power the engine but as you said, that isn't the point. I suppose the same could easily be said for the larger scale live steam locos with RC controls that are operated via motors too 😆 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Always wondered what the motor was for ever since first seeing this in the hornby catalogue, was it something to control the steam flow, something to start the loco in motion, or was it powered by the motor with a bit of assistance from steam, a sort of hybrid, well now I know.
So this locomotive obviously neads steam oil but part of what makes up steam oil is mineral oil and typically either a synthetic animal fat or a real animal fat. Anyway mineral oil will destroy plastics. Is this hornby live steam oil plastic safe? 🤠
I've never heard any reports of the oil causing damage to the plastic. Considering these locos have been around for close to two decades, if there was an issue I think we would have heard of it by now.
But honestly you only need a tiny drop in the resevoir so it shouldn't be going anywhere near the plastic anyway. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy ok, I was just curious since I don't have one 😂 looking into getting one. Wish they still made these! 🤠
How do I get one tho
Sadly Hornby only made these for a brief period about 10-15 years ago but you can still find them on eBay every so often if you keep an eye out. Thanks for watching 😃
Today I am sorry I sold mine a few years ago, sadly not made for quite some time.
Yes they are little marvels. I can't see Hornby bringing them back anytime soon and not without a hefty price tag either. Thanks for watching 😃
hi how do u live stream?
Hi Jack, there's lots of RUclips channels out there dedicated to showing you how to get started with streaming so I'd recommend having a look at those. They'll give you a much better idea of what's possible and will explain it much more thoroughly than I can here. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy thx
I wouldn't have thought of doing it this way. I would have tried to find a way to make the electric current operate the valve and have full valve gear on a gas fired boiler.
That's more similar to how large scale live steam engines work. They are mostly for garden railways though so you can understand why Hornby might not be keen on having people lighting gas fires near their layout. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Like I said, tried. I would not have succeeded.
@@michaelbujaki2462 To be fair, neither would I if I was trying to build one of these from scratch. Not sure I'd even be able to build a standard DC loco properly! 😆
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy That depends on your starting point. If I had to make the wire to wind my own motor I wouldn't even try. Give me a box full of parts and assembly instructions and I'll have it together in an hour.
Were can I get one
Sadly Hornby stopped making these about 10-15 years ago but you can still find them on eBay (many unused) if you keep an eye out. Thanks for watching 😃
Oh and it's my pleasure
Your videos are very entertaining
And thank you I will keep an eye out
Even tho I model us trains I wish they still made live steam for ho scale
That would definitely be interesting to see. The mechanism only just fit into the 00 gauge locos so it might be a struggle in HO, but then a lot of the US locos are bigger than what we have in the UK so that might even it out. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy it would be interesting with a malle that uses the steam twice
Hi there would love to chat to you about your live steam, you have pricked my interest, maybe we could chat privately on this you you don’t mind , best wishes paul at Sandling junction
Hi Paul, sure feel free to send me an email to thatmodelrailwayguy@gmail.com - Though as I said in the video I'm far from an expert on these models so you might be better off taking a look at the OO Live Steam Club instead. Thanks for watching 😃
Indeed the main Hornby a4's use a different tender chassis without the pony truck. I also noticed that the locomotive itself is different (instead of the fixed axle with flangeless wheels there's a pony axle on the Locomotive, something Hornby did do on the older a4 models.) I guess its the old chassis tooling completely, seeing as the Hornby live steam models are pretty old already it seems.
Interesting, I read another comment earlier that said all the A4 tenders had a pony truck but I have to admit I didn't think that was the case.
Yes the cartazzi truck is moveable on the live steam engine too. I think the newer A4s were around by the time these were released so I think Hornby just wanted to make it more stable on the track by not having the sliding flangeless wheels.
That said I reckon these models are one of the few where the amount of detail isn't the selling point 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I don't think the A4s trailing wheels we're flangeless, although I believe there is something different about the profile, flat, instead of having a small angle like almost all other railway wheels.
Who else would fill some rolling stock with lipos and go freestyle ?
Interesting idea but how would you control the loco then? Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy with the controller .
Cool. Now they they need to do it in N gauge!
I think the first battle there would be convincing Hornby to start producing N Gauge! I have seen someone successfully run a live steam 009 engine though so it's possible. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy By 'they' I don't mean Hornby specifically. I just like the smaller gauge.
Trains don't have genders but still good video it's amazing how it's like a real train
They are marvellous machines aren't they, even scaled down to this small size. Thanks for watching 😃
Steam locomotives don’t have motors (not referring to the electric motor). Steam locos have steam engines not motors.
Hi Graeme, in the case of the Hornby Live Steam range the motor is there to act as the driver opening and closing the regulator to control the speed - since we can't fit our fingers inside the cab to use tiny controls 😉 It's fully working steam engine though. Thanks for watching 👍
Not difficult to add a DCC to control the heat instead of that rheostat, oh, not difficult if you're and Electronics Engineer like me that is.
Think I'll leave it to the proper Electronics Engineers then 😆 Thanks for watching 👍
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Great video. I've been wanting to buy one of these to look at modifying it. If I ever get the cash, I will.
The a4s in real life have a pony truck and all of there a4s have it
Did they really! I never knew that. Obviously they had the front bogie and the cartazzi truck but I didn't realise the back wheelset on the tender was also a truck. Have to admit though, I've never come across another Hornby A4 model that has this feature though. Thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy my oo gauge Mallard idk which year just know it's newer then 2010 has it
It’s a very interesting video but the engine doesn’t puff much steam, defeating the purpose in my opinion...
So there’s two things to note. Here the loco is on the rolling road and isn’t having to pull a load so it’s not working particularly hard - steam engines only puff when they need to after all.
But if you just want to see steam then you’d be better off installing a smoke generator in a normal loco. The Live Steam locos are more about driving and maintaining a working steam engine and all the differences that come with that in comparison to a normal model. Hope that helps and thanks for watching 😃
@@ThatModelRailwayGuy Oh I understand that for sure. I have been working on smoke units in some of my engines, I was just imagining live steam would have more steam leaking from the cylinders and such like a full sized steam engine.
Your not an expert
Your a 1000iq model rail person
Well I can agree with the first part of your comment 🤣 Thanks for watching 👍
It’s a Shame they stop make them
It is a shame they don't make them anymore but I can kind of see why if I'm honest. Thanks for watching 😃
Brilliant piece of engineering but to be honest it was a gimmick that never really caught on. Which is why they stopped making them.
Oh it was definitely a gimmick but it was mostly let down by the driving instructions which were awful and led to the range getting a bit of a reputation. They were also quite expensive which didn't help during a worldwide recession either, so I suspect that's partly why Hornby dropped the range. Thanks for watching 😃
A wonderful niche gimmick that is enjoyed today by a growing bunch of steam nutters!! LOL
Running too fast for realistic scale.
Yes, as I mentioned in the video it's on the rolling road so has no real resistance and no load to pull. Check out my other Hornby Live Steam video if you want to see it running round a circuit at a more realistic pace while pulling some carriages. Thanks for watching 😃