I think 376s are much worse than the 465s, they have VERY uncomfortable seats, no toilets, no air conditioners, slower acceleration, paint fading away (especially the yellow doors) and they still wear the old connex livery. Much worse than the 465s
Idk about slower acceleration the 376 really does get it on especially above 55mph. I'd say it starts catching up with the /9 and is already ahead of the BREL. Of course you forgot the rough ride of the 376 as well.
@@awesometrainsandbuses Indeed, I believe the acceleration is about 49 seconds to 55 on a good 465/9 vs 52 on a 376 just so you have the figures. But the rough ride on a 376 is not very pleasant.
Not gonna lie the 465s are actually a fan favourite 🤣🤣despite the need for overhauls . Blame southeastern for not overhauling them enough. You also have to admit , the 465s have the best motor sounds of all time.
dude the 769s are right there! absolutely dreadful things. 455s are considerably worse than 465s, but they're fun. 465s are just all-round mid trains. they're not terrible though.
The 769 should be a contender. The purpose of a train is to move things, something it can't do while broken down. They also can't do hills, something we have quite a lot of in the UK.
@@r.markclayton4821 If it just ran under the wires, what would be the point of it anymore? Since it's still old and plenty of other good, younger, electric stock exists.
The 465 gets a lot of flack for how old they are, and yes they are old trains, but I think they are a prime example of yes it's bad but it could always be worse. Trains like the electric networkers were revolutionary back in their day, especially the 365s. I've had conversations with multiple drivers and the 465/9 and 365s are the best of them all, they have in their words much better acceleration and less dawdling time between stations
I think you are a bit hard on the Class 150. I remember them new and they were a huge improvement over the clapped out first generation trains in the 1980s. Try a Metro Camel class 101 on a heritage line to see what things used to be like. Nothing lasts forever though and the Class 150 is probably over 30 years old and as overdue for replacement as the first generation stock was.back then.
I'd still go with Hugh's most hated train, the 165. They were brilliant in 1992 when first introduced to my local Chiltern Line, but now they are definitely showing their age and are in need of replacement. Chiltern do seem to want to replace the older stock, as this recent reply to an email I sent them confirms... "Leasing new trains can be a prolonged and complicated process, but we are actively engaging with the rolling stock market with a view to leasing newer trains, or even building new units, to deliver the capacity that we know you deserve. Since the Covid-19 pandemic we have not been self-reliant in the terms of funding and investment, meaning that enhancements to our fleet must be approved and supported by the Department for Transport. We will continue to update you on this as discussions continue."
@@oliverstemp9132 Would certainly be an improvement. Definitely need more comfortable seating (Preferably 2+2), and minimum 4-car units on the Aylesbury-Marylebone route. They get really busy past Amersham, and at weekends.
Class 150 trains are poor, but that is mostly because they are now about the oldest trains in scheduled service in Britain. By contrast the utterly dire Pacers (class 14x) held this title for four decades from when they were built until the day the last was retired...
the 150s longevity proves how good they are, theyre phenominaly reliable and do the job there designed to do with no fuss, their age is irrelevant when theyre more reliable than their modern equivalents, theyre no where near the oldest trains in service in britain aswell.
465s arent even the worst train on the southeastern network, that would go to the 376. 465s are just, overwhelmingly mediocre lol. they have fantastic heaters tho
The Class 465 is my absolute all time favourite train. I have an exception though that the 150 has to have a front buffer, otherwise I classify it as ugly.
465s are much better than 150s. the 465s have air conditioning provided via those twisty vents above your head as the class 150s don't have air-conditioning. 465s have great acceleration making it great for stop start commuter services as the 150s are not that great for stop start commuter services as the acceleration is much worse also the 150s are short meaning they don't deal with capacity on commuter lines well as the 465s they almost all of the time join them up in 8 or 10 car formation and when you consider how the class 465 run on suburban lines an 8 or 10 car train with great acceleration is great also 465s don't have noisy engines one of the main problems with the class 150s also with the class 465 seats ignoring how they are broken the seats are fine
also my least favourite train is the class 345 because of a severe lack of onboard facilities no toilets are provided despite the trains running long services no luggage racks are provided despite the trains going to Heathrow Airport no bins are provided despite how we are now aware of where the plastic goes when we throw away in the ocean
Try travelling on a 150 from Manchester right the way through to South West Wales or from Birmingham International through to mid-Wales. That is what TfW keep giving us - short trains packed to the gills and on services and routes that are way beyond both their capacity and comfort. When you have to put up with this on a regular basis as I do, you'd wish for something similar to a 465 any day!
You clearly haven't experienced a Scotrail 158. Very cramped, dirty, noisy, a free sauna every trip in summer but wrap up well in winter. You can enjoy the diesel fumes all year round thanks to the cracked window frames. God, I hate them with a passion.
They may be the worst trains in the north of the UK, but I would still take a Class 150 over the Class 142s I used to have to go to university on regularly. My spine still hasn't recovered from those journeys.
The 465 is only bad because SE don't care about them. Look at their "metro improvements" tab, there are zero planned improvements to the 465s. No interior refresh, not even any new seats nor a deep clean. Only "we will improve 707s" aka forget the 465s Now that SE is under the DfT they're only going to get more stingy about refurbs. "We can't do that, it'll be too expensive" while retiring trains a decade before their expected lifespan (wasting money) and spending even more money ordering new trains that are always delivered late and break down all the time. It's very clear that the DfT is only focused on getting shiny new things while letting everything else rot. Very sad. They've pretty much not been refurbished (bar the 465/9) and have been left to deteriorate for the past 30 years Give them a proper refurb (2+2 layout with no ironing boards, new floors and actually cleaning the trains properly) and they'll be some of the nicest to travel on. Old trains are only bad because we stop caring about them. For a prime example at how an old train can be improved to be almost as good as the newest trains, see the Comeng trains which are 43 years old and set to run for another 5+ years, yet thanks to refurbishments over the past few decades look brand new from the inside with modern LCD screens and reupholstered seats that are better than the newer trains.
I've always quite liked 465s. Especially the sound of them. They're just pretty old and not well maintained. Not exactly a bad design. IETs are ok but have terrible seats and harsh lighting. Most new trains have hard seats these days, which is a shame because the modern designs are better in kany other ways. I reckon 165s or maybe Voyagers are the worst now.
The 465s are very reliable. But southeastern make no effort for seat overhauls or internal overhauls. Other than that they don't seem to break down that often
I think you will find pretty much every single seat a Class 465 is detached. That's because in general SE don't really look after them which is depressing. Other than that they're fine trains in my eyes. Tbf I like all of the trains in this list though I know 150s are never a fan favourite. If you want bad, try a Class 345, 387 or 710 lol.
The 345s and 710s aren't bad at all they just lack character. The 387s would be good trains if only they had more comfortable seats considering their long distance journeys.
Class 222 and class 91 are worse The class 222 horn is way too loud, and they stink and the class 91 has louder horns, and the seating is worse than any bad train.
networkers are mega, seats may be ''broken'' but for them to actually come apart you have to actually take it apart, in other words, what you were doing, they never fall apart on their own, and the buttons for the doors are not the wrong way around, you don't just accidentally put them the wrong way around on an entire fleet of trains, and in general I cant really think of anything actually bad about them, basically all you said about them being bad was the seats coming apart if you took them apart, so that doesn't exactly make them the worst, does it? I would take a 465 over a 707 any day, and your point of them needing to be withdrawn? god no, they do not need to be withdrawn, it was bad enough all the metcams being withdrawn and replaced with the comparatively worse 707s, the day the networker dies is the day the southern electrics die, a day that I hope is nowhere near, and ideally, a day that never comes
Having been on 465s, I don't see any truth in the points you made. The broken seats don't bother anyone unless you deliberately yank them upwards. I do think the BREL units are kinda mid but the Metro Cammell units motor sound makes it so much better
Can we all agree that the 1992 stock on the Central Line is the worst train in Britain from its literal greenhouse windows uncomfortable seats and poor inadequate ventilation along with the amount of noise they make should probably make this the worst train in Britain
OK so the 465s have definitly seen better days. But the seats on the 366 are definitely worse for comfort. Horrible, horrible seats. Also the 319s were slow on DC and the short seats could be uncomfortable too - all gone now though. Original 365s are the best for comfort in southeasterns terrain.
My biggest bugbear is Manchester Piccadilly Platform 13, especially when coming from Manchester Metrolink Shudehill and Market St, buying tickets and getting information, up all those flights of stairs, escalators and two travelators up, then downstairs to the platform 13 itself - going on SailRail to Dublin via Holyhead always involves a change of train on TfW, either at Crewe, Chester or Lladnuo in Wales, on tiny and busy class 175 trains, that don’t even call at Deansgate/Castlefield to better connect with the Metrolink - bigger and more direct trains are needed for SailRail services (they don’t even have to be express nor first class) as these trains are eternally busy and they should really be operating from Manchester Victoria direct to Holyhead - even Northern from Victoria to Chester and Avanti from Chester to Holyhead is a better offering - TfW seem to have forgotten that people do carry luggage on their trains on SailRail and the times allotted to change trains at Chester for Holyhead is way too tight, with the layout for changing trains at Chester needs looking at - this is made worse if a train is delayed leaving Manchester and arrives late into Chester, I’ve had to jump on to an Avanti train at Chester to avoid missing the check-in for the ferry at Holyhead - I’ve even ended up being stranded in Holyhead for 2 days during the rail strike last year in October 2022, paying an extra amount for a single from Holyhead to Manchester, as my ticket’s return portion went out of date during the strike, with a packed coach transfer between Lladnuo to Chester, stopping at every Welsh station to Chester - to say that I was frazzled arriving back in Manchester was an understatement
I find seats on 150s very comfortable there very accessible trains they look amazing and they are never dirty(I’ve used these from Milford haven to Manchester Piccadilly) all of that can’t be said for 158
The 465s have seen better days but they're still reasonably functional. They feel more modern than the 150s, their seating is better (though obviously needs to be secured properly) and all in all they're not the best trains but they work for a commuter run. The 150s are abysmal trains, they are awfully dated despite having been refreshed (especially those with the older style seating), they're low capacity, they're cramped, the window alignment is laughable, luggage storage is non-existent, there's no legroom and they're used on some routes which are completely inappropriate for them. On short northern services they're not ideal, but when they run Manchester to Cardiff and beyond - that's just awful!
Nonsense! I would agree if it was the 165; they are awful! But the 465s have character and great sound. It's just that these SE 465s are in such dreadful, unmaintained condition. That's not the train design. The 150s; well they're better than a Pacer lol! ...and better than a 165. Odd choices. I've never heard others mentioning hating these 2 units. 3+2 seating is awful. But it's not specific to these two trains - it's all over the network!
@@Kaz It'll be a very long time yet. They haven't even started tendering for unit replacements yet. By the time that happens, as well as the fact there are well over a 100 units to build and replace, the 465's will be with us for years to come.
TFW so called Manchester Piccadilly to South Wales Services (Now that Transport for Wales have got rid of Class 175 units) are usually the 2 Car CLASS 150 units which although are reliable they are excruciating to travel on for 4-5 hours on a Main Line Service & Permanently Overcrowded, Best of all TFW newer Class 231 Trains TFW are using them on the local Valley lines, surely this should be the other way around, all the other Class 231 are Stored mainly behind Barry Station South Wales whilst all us the Paying Customers are travelling on Clapped out Class 150 Units, I personally do not use the TFW Manchester-South Wales service anymore due to TFW Continuous use of the Class 150 units & I travel Via Birmingham New Street & change there, Believe me a Class 165 & 465 unit is Much more Comfortable than a Class 150 Unit.
you've not been on a class 155 or 221 voyager then? ☺ you wouldnt be able to check for broken seats as none would be free. in fact you wouldnt be able to move down the train
Alao what are your thoughts on the class 365 an AC version of the class 465 but the class 365s are better because its 2+2 seating on the class 365 with no broken seats from what i remember let me know your thoughts on the class 365 as i am a fan of networkers
The class 165s on chiltern railways are way whorse than a southeastern class 465 because there desiel, 3 cars there engines are really noisy and the lights are very dim
I’ll be honest any train on SouthEastern not 375s 377s or 707s are awful 376s are filthy just but the worst are definitely the 465 and 466 as they smell disgusting and are always broken one time my seat felt slippery because of SouthEasterns awful maintenance sometimes the 376s have dusty seats and filthy and smell disgusting sometimes because people in SouthEast London have no respect to the trains no wonder why they never got brand new trains until the 707s but then there 2nd hand as they were SouthWesternRailway before SouthEastern which I’ll be honest the lot of the southeastern fleet need a clean sometimes you have to physically push the door yourself Southeastern maintenance are awful
The Class 387 EMUs Are One of My Least Favourite Trains I Don't Like Going On Them Because The Seats Are So Hard and Uncomfortable Also They Are Bland and Boring Too
Perhaps 🤔 the class 150 trains 🚊 are the worse trains 🚂 🚆 🚊 in Great Britain 🇬🇧 because there isn’t a carpet and it’s not like 👍 the class 158 and 159 trains 🚊 which are much better. Could it happen to other trains 🚆 that they are worse is the same to class 150 trains 🚊. Class 150 trains 🚆 have an open window 🪟 on the side of the trains 🚆. Class 165s and 166s are probably the worse trains 🚆 in Great Britain 🇬🇧 , Class 465 trains 🚊 must be the same to class 150 trains 🚊. They are second generation trains 🚊. The question 🙋♀️ is that could these crappy 💩 trains 🚆 survive on the railways 🚃 🚆 until at perhaps 🤔 the end of December 2030 (New Year’s Eve) at the latest in 7 years time 🕰️. The reporter is wearing a cap 🧢, glasses 👓 🤓 and has a moustache 🥸 on his face. 👍
The british rail class 769s are worse than both of them first off reliability is shockingly poor with an average of 769 miles between fails and most diagrams are about 500 miles per day.
@@Solomon_C - Yes those 45 year old HSTs are really "unreliable" and all those Sprinters still operating and reliable 40 years later are .... ahem.... really 'unreliable'. 😄
@@DavidR_192 I've seen that the 43 reliability figures are quite low recently. Sprinters (except the 158/159) are also not great. The 465 BREL figures are lower than the 465 Met-Cam figures hence why I said the BRELS were unreliable.
Absolute rubbish! The fact that 1980s trains like the Class 150 are still in mainline service and still reliable is a testament to how GOOD BREL's quality was. Not to mention the HSTs. The 1991 Class 158s still in service and reliable. None of the plastic, flimsy trains we have produced now.
Also qith the class 465 i acctually prefer open door button below close door button because it means that those who are short can reach the open door button better
I disagree about the class 465, in my opinion, the class 158/159s because that sound broken microwave and the class 220/221 voyagers because they REEK REAL BAD WHEN LEAVING A STATION, that's my opinions
Completely disagree about the 158/9s. They are really comfortable, have 2+2 seating and have working air conditioning. I just wish the SWR ones had higher tables and charging ports.
I don’t mind the 150s too much, they’re outdated and inadequate for this day and age, but I think people overhate them, they do a reasonable job on local services, TfW and GWR sets have a sensible seat layout, PIS and plug ports. The fact that they’ve been around this long is a credit to them
Well I Do Like The Class 465s and 466s But They Are Unfortunately Having Problem's With Broken Seat's and That The Doors Are Having Faults and Failures On Them And Toilets Could Be Cleaned Too But Anyway The Point I'm Trying To Make Is That Southeastern Should Go In and Fix These Problems As Well Sort Out The Problems With Creaking Then The 465s and 466s Can Stay For Another Few Year's 👍
This is true - that said, assuming a standard 38-40 year life, the 465s do not have much more economic life left (8-10 years) so a big refurbishment is not justified (the money would be better spent on a brand new fleet). So even if there was not a tender for replacement out now, by 2030 the Class 465 would be in urgent need of replacement. I would like to see Southeastern rebranded as LSE rail (London and South East - not London School of Economics) and a bit of colour added as i find the Metro colour scheme very bland which accentuates the drab look of the Class 465s
@@DonaldTrumpIsGreatThe ULEZ covers all of Greater London but this is not directly relevant to the fate of the Class 465s. TfL wishes to take over the Southeastern Metro network but it has to show what vision it has for the railway rather than just asserting it wants control (the London Overground is not the panacea people make it out to be with frequent weekend closures and delays weekdays)
@@nickbiskinis4854 Well If You Aren't a Fan of The 465/466 Fleet You Still Have The Option Ride a Class 375/377 Set and Class 395s Too But I Wouldn't Recommend The Class 376s Or 707s Until They Get Better Seats
I don't mind them (though there was too much false economy cost-cutting at the time they were designed such as not having Selective Door Opening to enable them to serve stations with short platforms) but consider that they will be due for replacement by 2030 or so
I think 376s are much worse than the 465s, they have VERY uncomfortable seats, no toilets, no air conditioners, slower acceleration, paint fading away (especially the yellow doors) and they still wear the old connex livery. Much worse than the 465s
Idk about slower acceleration the 376 really does get it on especially above 55mph. I'd say it starts catching up with the /9 and is already ahead of the BREL. Of course you forgot the rough ride of the 376 as well.
@@Solomon_C yes forgot to add the rough ride they give, which is the biggest thing that brings the 376 lower than the 465
@@awesometrainsandbuses Indeed, I believe the acceleration is about 49 seconds to 55 on a good 465/9 vs 52 on a 376 just so you have the figures.
But the rough ride on a 376 is not very pleasant.
Actually they like those horrid ovens on rails outdated units
It's just southeastern neglecting these trains
The broken seat count made me chuckle... I do love the Class 150 and the Class 323 are god tier traction
I love all trains old to new and diesel to eletric
Not gonna lie the 465s are actually a fan favourite 🤣🤣despite the need for overhauls . Blame southeastern for not overhauling them enough.
You also have to admit , the 465s have the best motor sounds of all time.
I'm convinced Southeastern didn’t even bother securing most of the seats down on the 465 when they were refurbushed lol.
dude the 769s are right there! absolutely dreadful things.
455s are considerably worse than 465s, but they're fun. 465s are just all-round mid trains. they're not terrible though.
the GWR 800s are a LOT wrose, same with every single desiro city.
The First Great Western IETs Are a Bad Train
The 769 should be a contender. The purpose of a train is to move things, something it can't do while broken down. They also can't do hills, something we have quite a lot of in the UK.
The 769 may be a bit underpowered and unreliable in diesel mode, but despite their age are swift and dependable in electric mode.
@@r.markclayton4821 If it just ran under the wires, what would be the point of it anymore? Since it's still old and plenty of other good, younger, electric stock exists.
The 465 gets a lot of flack for how old they are, and yes they are old trains, but I think they are a prime example of yes it's bad but it could always be worse. Trains like the electric networkers were revolutionary back in their day, especially the 365s. I've had conversations with multiple drivers and the 465/9 and 365s are the best of them all, they have in their words much better acceleration and less dawdling time between stations
I think you are a bit hard on the Class 150. I remember them new and they were a huge improvement over the clapped out first generation trains in the 1980s. Try a Metro Camel class 101 on a heritage line to see what things used to be like. Nothing lasts forever though and the Class 150 is probably over 30 years old and as overdue for replacement as the first generation stock was.back then.
I'd still go with Hugh's most hated train, the 165.
They were brilliant in 1992 when first introduced to my local Chiltern Line, but now they are definitely showing their age and are in need of replacement.
Chiltern do seem to want to replace the older stock, as this recent reply to an email I sent them confirms...
"Leasing new trains can be a prolonged and complicated process, but we are actively engaging with the rolling stock market with a view to leasing newer trains, or even building new units, to deliver the capacity that we know you deserve. Since the Covid-19 pandemic we have not been self-reliant in the terms of funding and investment, meaning that enhancements to our fleet must be approved and supported by the Department for Transport. We will continue to update you on this as discussions continue."
I kind of hope all the Chiltern fleet would be FLIRTs, long ones for Oxford and Birmingham and short ones for Aylesbury.
@@oliverstemp9132 Would certainly be an improvement. Definitely need more comfortable seating (Preferably 2+2), and minimum 4-car units on the Aylesbury-Marylebone route. They get really busy past Amersham, and at weekends.
@@AFCManUk more comfortable than the S8s too
@@oliverstemp9132 Chiltern are fine with the 165s 168s and 68s as they are perfectly reliable trains.
@@maimadha very tired now, and cramped with that 3-2 layout
Class 150 trains are poor, but that is mostly because they are now about the oldest trains in scheduled service in Britain. By contrast the utterly dire Pacers (class 14x) held this title for four decades from when they were built until the day the last was retired...
the 150s longevity proves how good they are, theyre phenominaly reliable and do the job there designed to do with no fuss, their age is irrelevant when theyre more reliable than their modern equivalents, theyre no where near the oldest trains in service in britain aswell.
Just a question... are those seats (165s) actually broken or are they meant to be loosely inserted for speedy replacement, or to facilitate cleaning?
465s arent even the worst train on the southeastern network, that would go to the 376. 465s are just, overwhelmingly mediocre lol. they have fantastic heaters tho
I would say that class 465/9 is better than class 465
i really enjoyed this i love the 323s i love the robotic noises they make when pulling away & the broken seat count was funny
Genuinely lost braincells watching this
The Class 465 is my absolute all time favourite train. I have an exception though that the 150 has to have a front buffer, otherwise I classify it as ugly.
Some class 465’s have non-broken seats but mostly they have broken seats so I know you prefer class 375’s better than class 465
465s are much better than 150s. the 465s have air conditioning provided via those twisty vents above your head as the class 150s don't have air-conditioning. 465s have great acceleration making it great for stop start commuter services as the 150s are not that great for stop start commuter services as the acceleration is much worse also the 150s are short meaning they don't deal with capacity on commuter lines well as the 465s they almost all of the time join them up in 8 or 10 car formation and when you consider how the class 465 run on suburban lines an 8 or 10 car train with great acceleration is great also 465s don't have noisy engines one of the main problems with the class 150s also with the class 465 seats ignoring how they are broken the seats are fine
also my least favourite train is the class 345 because of a severe lack of onboard facilities
no toilets are provided despite the trains running long services
no luggage racks are provided despite the trains going to Heathrow Airport
no bins are provided despite how we are now aware of where the plastic goes when we throw away in the ocean
Try travelling on a 150 from Manchester right the way through to South West Wales or from Birmingham International through to mid-Wales. That is what TfW keep giving us - short trains packed to the gills and on services and routes that are way beyond both their capacity and comfort. When you have to put up with this on a regular basis as I do, you'd wish for something similar to a 465 any day!
You clearly haven't experienced a Scotrail 158. Very cramped, dirty, noisy, a free sauna every trip in summer but wrap up well in winter. You can enjoy the diesel fumes all year round thanks to the cracked window frames. God, I hate them with a passion.
They may be the worst trains in the north of the UK, but I would still take a Class 150 over the Class 142s I used to have to go to university on regularly.
My spine still hasn't recovered from those journeys.
Now the real question becomes which is truly the worst - 465s or 165s?
The 465 is only bad because SE don't care about them. Look at their "metro improvements" tab, there are zero planned improvements to the 465s. No interior refresh, not even any new seats nor a deep clean. Only "we will improve 707s" aka forget the 465s
Now that SE is under the DfT they're only going to get more stingy about refurbs. "We can't do that, it'll be too expensive" while retiring trains a decade before their expected lifespan (wasting money) and spending even more money ordering new trains that are always delivered late and break down all the time. It's very clear that the DfT is only focused on getting shiny new things while letting everything else rot. Very sad.
They've pretty much not been refurbished (bar the 465/9) and have been left to deteriorate for the past 30 years
Give them a proper refurb (2+2 layout with no ironing boards, new floors and actually cleaning the trains properly) and they'll be some of the nicest to travel on.
Old trains are only bad because we stop caring about them.
For a prime example at how an old train can be improved to be almost as good as the newest trains, see the Comeng trains which are 43 years old and set to run for another 5+ years, yet thanks to refurbishments over the past few decades look brand new from the inside with modern LCD screens and reupholstered seats that are better than the newer trains.
I've always quite liked 465s. Especially the sound of them. They're just pretty old and not well maintained. Not exactly a bad design. IETs are ok but have terrible seats and harsh lighting. Most new trains have hard seats these days, which is a shame because the modern designs are better in kany other ways. I reckon 165s or maybe Voyagers are the worst now.
I agree, 465s are always good at getting me to Woolwich Arsenal quickly, avoid using the DLR to Woolwich because it takes so long.
The 465s are very reliable. But southeastern make no effort for seat overhauls or internal overhauls. Other than that they don't seem to break down that often
@@bb-3653 yep, today i may film some 465s
IETs Are The Worst Train Ever
@@TD101n-xs3ld nice , did you get to it?
I think you will find pretty much every single seat a Class 465 is detached. That's because in general SE don't really look after them which is depressing. Other than that they're fine trains in my eyes. Tbf I like all of the trains in this list though I know 150s are never a fan favourite. If you want bad, try a Class 345, 387 or 710 lol.
The 345s and 710s aren't bad at all they just lack character. The 387s would be good trains if only they had more comfortable seats considering their long distance journeys.
@@nathanw9770 387s Should Be Withdrawn And Replace Them With Class 379s or 350/2s 👍
I think the seats are detached because they were never screwed on to begin with, not due to neglect.
I’m gonna say something that people won’t like me for saying
I like the 455
Class 222 and class 91 are worse
The class 222 horn is way too loud, and they stink and the class 91 has louder horns, and the seating is worse than any bad train.
networkers are mega, seats may be ''broken'' but for them to actually come apart you have to actually take it apart, in other words, what you were doing, they never fall apart on their own, and the buttons for the doors are not the wrong way around, you don't just accidentally put them the wrong way around on an entire fleet of trains, and in general I cant really think of anything actually bad about them, basically all you said about them being bad was the seats coming apart if you took them apart, so that doesn't exactly make them the worst, does it? I would take a 465 over a 707 any day, and your point of them needing to be withdrawn? god no, they do not need to be withdrawn, it was bad enough all the metcams being withdrawn and replaced with the comparatively worse 707s, the day the networker dies is the day the southern electrics die, a day that I hope is nowhere near, and ideally, a day that never comes
Great videos guys, but one downside is definitely the audio
Aye, wait until the announcement is finished before you start talking.
Having been on 465s, I don't see any truth in the points you made. The broken seats don't bother anyone unless you deliberately yank them upwards. I do think the BREL units are kinda mid but the Metro Cammell units motor sound makes it so much better
What train is that behind you ("not this") at 5:40?
Class 707 ~ Daniel
I think the 465 is one of the best trains especially the 465/9
Can we all agree that the 1992 stock on the Central Line is the worst train in Britain from its literal greenhouse windows uncomfortable seats and poor inadequate ventilation along with the amount of noise they make should probably make this the worst train in Britain
OK so the 465s have definitly seen better days.
But the seats on the 366 are definitely worse for comfort.
Horrible, horrible seats.
Also the 319s were slow on DC and the short seats could be uncomfortable too - all gone now though.
Original 365s are the best for comfort in southeasterns terrain.
Class 366? Never heard of it. Did you mean 365?
@@DavidR_192 no, I meant 376
I'm glad they are filling in the southeastern network with 707s because I hate 465s
I won't say that the seats on the 465 are broken, i think they made like that for ease of they want to quickly repair the seating padding
But they shouldn't come off that easily
@@TheHobohobbit Overground suffered broken seats tho
But I do love class 465 and class 375’s
My biggest bugbear is Manchester Piccadilly Platform 13, especially when coming from Manchester Metrolink Shudehill and Market St, buying tickets and getting information, up all those flights of stairs, escalators and two travelators up, then downstairs to the platform 13 itself - going on SailRail to Dublin via Holyhead always involves a change of train on TfW, either at Crewe, Chester or Lladnuo in Wales, on tiny and busy class 175 trains, that don’t even call at Deansgate/Castlefield to better connect with the Metrolink - bigger and more direct trains are needed for SailRail services (they don’t even have to be express nor first class) as these trains are eternally busy and they should really be operating from Manchester Victoria direct to Holyhead - even Northern from Victoria to Chester and Avanti from Chester to Holyhead is a better offering - TfW seem to have forgotten that people do carry luggage on their trains on SailRail and the times allotted to change trains at Chester for Holyhead is way too tight, with the layout for changing trains at Chester needs looking at - this is made worse if a train is delayed leaving Manchester and arrives late into Chester, I’ve had to jump on to an Avanti train at Chester to avoid missing the check-in for the ferry at Holyhead - I’ve even ended up being stranded in Holyhead for 2 days during the rail strike last year in October 2022, paying an extra amount for a single from Holyhead to Manchester, as my ticket’s return portion went out of date during the strike, with a packed coach transfer between Lladnuo to Chester, stopping at every Welsh station to Chester - to say that I was frazzled arriving back in Manchester was an understatement
Can you review the best trains in the uk in your opinions
I find seats on 150s very comfortable there very accessible trains they look amazing and they are never dirty(I’ve used these from Milford haven to Manchester Piccadilly) all of that can’t be said for 158
Sound issues.
You mean them screaming into low quality field mics? Yep! Shouty, loud people don't need to shout into mics.
The 465s have seen better days but they're still reasonably functional. They feel more modern than the 150s, their seating is better (though obviously needs to be secured properly) and all in all they're not the best trains but they work for a commuter run.
The 150s are abysmal trains, they are awfully dated despite having been refreshed (especially those with the older style seating), they're low capacity, they're cramped, the window alignment is laughable, luggage storage is non-existent, there's no legroom and they're used on some routes which are completely inappropriate for them. On short northern services they're not ideal, but when they run Manchester to Cardiff and beyond - that's just awful!
465s are certainly not bad, they mad be bad in a little bit but in my opinion they arent bad
365's were dreadful, dreary, awful units, about as much quality as a wet cardboard box
I never went on one but comments like this tell me that I was fortunate not to!
How is the 465 the worst?! The 455 exists!
The seats aren't broken, just modular (is what I tell myself)
The 150s are only the worst trains because they got rid of the Pacers.
I absolutely hate the 465s because they are the only trains near me and always smell, break and just they suck
I respect your opinion
465s poor state is mainly down to neglect
11:30 Did you just.. rickroll us?
[The residence of Kent did not like that]
Talking about the southeastern 707 look at this timing 11:26 it’s a 707
...going the opposite direction.
Nonsense! I would agree if it was the 165; they are awful! But the 465s have character and great sound. It's just that these SE 465s are in such dreadful, unmaintained condition. That's not the train design. The 150s; well they're better than a Pacer lol! ...and better than a 165. Odd choices. I've never heard others mentioning hating these 2 units. 3+2 seating is awful. But it's not specific to these two trains - it's all over the network!
As a 150/1 lover, I'm offended XD
The 465 has got to be one of my favourite classes. Your a bit hard on them… It’ll be sad to see them go
Are they being taken out of service?? When? 😢
There is a tender for their replacement so if that runs to plan they will start being retired from 2026 onwards. @@hasana1051
@@hasana1051 not yet but it wont be long i dont think
@@nickbiskinis4854 ok at least I’ll be done with using southeastern by then. They’re my favourite trains
@@Kaz It'll be a very long time yet. They haven't even started tendering for unit replacements yet. By the time that happens, as well as the fact there are well over a 100 units to build and replace, the 465's will be with us for years to come.
TFW so called Manchester Piccadilly to South Wales Services (Now that Transport for Wales have got rid of Class 175 units) are usually the 2 Car CLASS 150 units which although are reliable they are excruciating to travel on for 4-5 hours on a Main Line Service & Permanently Overcrowded, Best of all TFW newer Class 231 Trains TFW are using them on the local Valley lines, surely this should be the other way around, all the other Class 231 are Stored mainly behind Barry Station South Wales whilst all us the Paying Customers are travelling on Clapped out Class 150 Units, I personally do not use the TFW Manchester-South Wales service anymore due to TFW Continuous use of the Class 150 units & I travel Via Birmingham New Street & change there, Believe me a Class 165 & 465 unit is Much more Comfortable than a Class 150 Unit.
you've not been on a class 155 or 221 voyager then? ☺ you wouldnt be able to check for broken seats as none would be free. in fact you wouldnt be able to move down the train
465’s Are Not To Worst. :(
Have to say you get toilet art in a 466 which you don’t in a 150, so still better. Also I think you purposely brake the seats just get attention 😂
You wont bad trains, Ill give you bad trains, 80x, 144, 700...
Alao what are your thoughts on the class 365 an AC version of the class 465 but the class 365s are better because its 2+2 seating on the class 365 with no broken seats from what i remember let me know your thoughts on the class 365 as i am a fan of networkers
The 150,s are old and that shows in the design.
The class 165s on chiltern railways are way whorse than a southeastern class 465 because there desiel, 3 cars there engines are really noisy and the lights are very dim
class 465 is a lovely train
Agreed
What about the 455?🤮
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I HUGLEY DISSAGREE
465 IS ON TOP GOATED
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo my beloved 465
I’ll be honest any train on SouthEastern not 375s 377s or 707s are awful 376s are filthy just but the worst are definitely the 465 and 466 as they smell disgusting and are always broken one time my seat felt slippery because of SouthEasterns awful maintenance sometimes the 376s have dusty seats and filthy and smell disgusting sometimes because people in SouthEast London have no respect to the trains no wonder why they never got brand new trains until the 707s but then there 2nd hand as they were SouthWesternRailway before SouthEastern which I’ll be honest the lot of the southeastern fleet need a clean sometimes you have to physically push the door yourself Southeastern maintenance are awful
The worst trains are either the 319 or the 313
The Class 387 EMUs Are One of My Least Favourite Trains I Don't Like Going On Them Because The Seats Are So Hard and Uncomfortable Also They Are Bland and Boring Too
You don't need a capital letter for each individual word.
Nick 1:32 😊
Perhaps 🤔 the class 150 trains 🚊 are the worse trains 🚂 🚆 🚊 in Great Britain 🇬🇧 because there isn’t a carpet and it’s not like 👍 the class 158 and 159 trains 🚊 which are much better. Could it happen to other trains 🚆 that they are worse is the same to class 150 trains 🚊. Class 150 trains 🚆 have an open window 🪟 on the side of the trains 🚆. Class 165s and 166s are probably the worse trains 🚆 in Great Britain 🇬🇧 , Class 465 trains 🚊 must be the same to class 150 trains 🚊. They are second generation trains 🚊. The question 🙋♀️ is that could these crappy 💩 trains 🚆 survive on the railways 🚃 🚆 until at perhaps 🤔 the end of December 2030 (New Year’s Eve) at the latest in 7 years time 🕰️. The reporter is wearing a cap 🧢, glasses 👓 🤓 and has a moustache 🥸 on his face. 👍
The british rail class 769s are worse than both of them first off reliability is shockingly poor with an average of 769 miles between fails and most diagrams are about 500 miles per day.
The 465 motors used to fall off.
I'm not surprised to hear that. The BRELS are really unreliable.
@@Solomon_C - Yes those 45 year old HSTs are really "unreliable" and all those Sprinters still operating and reliable 40 years later are .... ahem.... really 'unreliable'. 😄
@@DavidR_192 I've seen that the 43 reliability figures are quite low recently. Sprinters (except the 158/159) are also not great.
The 465 BREL figures are lower than the 465 Met-Cam figures hence why I said the BRELS were unreliable.
ahaha the girl sitting next to you
I felt sorry for the people around them. Want a quiet journey home and get these overly loud adolescents screaming into their Tandy mics.
BREL were not great at train building.
No not good at all. I mean look at the HST's for example! 🤣
Absolute rubbish! The fact that 1980s trains like the Class 150 are still in mainline service and still reliable is a testament to how GOOD BREL's quality was. Not to mention the HSTs. The 1991 Class 158s still in service and reliable. None of the plastic, flimsy trains we have produced now.
Also qith the class 465 i acctually prefer open door button below close door button because it means that those who are short can reach the open door button better
I disagree about the class 465, in my opinion, the class 158/159s because that sound broken microwave and the class 220/221 voyagers because they REEK REAL BAD WHEN LEAVING A STATION, that's my opinions
I disagree about the 465s but I agree with the voyagers and the 165s and 166s instead of the super sprinters
Completely disagree about the 158/9s. They are really comfortable, have 2+2 seating and have working air conditioning. I just wish the SWR ones had higher tables and charging ports.
i hate 150s reason being to noisy
I don’t mind the 150s too much, they’re outdated and inadequate for this day and age, but I think people overhate them, they do a reasonable job on local services, TfW and GWR sets have a sensible seat layout, PIS and plug ports. The fact that they’ve been around this long is a credit to them
Well I Do Like The Class 465s and 466s But They Are Unfortunately Having Problem's With Broken Seat's and That The Doors Are Having Faults and Failures On Them And Toilets Could Be Cleaned Too But Anyway The Point I'm Trying To Make Is That Southeastern Should Go In and Fix These Problems As Well Sort Out The Problems With Creaking Then The 465s and 466s Can Stay For Another Few Year's 👍
This is true - that said, assuming a standard 38-40 year life, the 465s do not have much more economic life left (8-10 years) so a big refurbishment is not justified (the money would be better spent on a brand new fleet). So even if there was not a tender for replacement out now, by 2030 the Class 465 would be in urgent need of replacement. I would like to see Southeastern rebranded as LSE rail (London and South East - not London School of Economics) and a bit of colour added as i find the Metro colour scheme very bland which accentuates the drab look of the Class 465s
@@nickbiskinis4854 Also Let's Expand Ulez Sadiq Khan The Mayor of London Would Enjoy That 👍
@@DonaldTrumpIsGreatThe ULEZ covers all of Greater London but this is not directly relevant to the fate of the Class 465s. TfL wishes to take over the Southeastern Metro network but it has to show what vision it has for the railway rather than just asserting it wants control (the London Overground is not the panacea people make it out to be with frequent weekend closures and delays weekdays)
@@nickbiskinis4854 Well If You Aren't a Fan of The 465/466 Fleet You Still Have The Option Ride a Class 375/377 Set and Class 395s Too But I Wouldn't Recommend The Class 376s Or 707s Until They Get Better Seats
I don't mind them (though there was too much false economy cost-cutting at the time they were designed such as not having Selective Door Opening to enable them to serve stations with short platforms) but consider that they will be due for replacement by 2030 or so