Why are Britain’s trains so bad - could nationalisation fix them?
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2019
- 2017 saw the most train delays in nearly 15 years. And as services seem to be getting worse, ticket prices are going up - leaving many passengers furious.
But why are Britain’s trains so bad and what can be done to fix them? Is nationalising the railways the answer?
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"Only a third of our network is electrified, which ranks us the lowest in the EU."
Well. You cannot be the worst in the EU if you are not in the EU. Smart move.
EU there refers to Europe mate.
Still they're!...
@@dorthusiast The EU stands _for_ the European Union, while Europe is a continent.
Anton Berglund Not really. EU stands for both European Union and Europe, referring to Europe most of the time.
Let me just prove my point. There’s no point in comparing Britain’s railways to only those in European Union, because it’s not a significant community. On the other hand, most countries in Europe are similar for culture, religion, background and so on. So there’s no point in segregating the non-European Union members. This video might’ve compared it to Union members only, but it’s pointless. In addition, for example when a game has an “EU Server” it refers to Europe continent yet again, as there’s no such thing in universe that a country’s people shouldn’t get to play just because they’re not in the union.
@@dorthusiast when people say "in the eu" its "the european union" not "the uk ranks the lowest in the europe" :D
"Isn't that typically British. We were there first, and now we're the worst"
- Jay Foreman
Hazard of being an early adopter.
We actually have among the best trains in the world
ayy
@Antoni Sabala yes I have, but British railways are incredible
We Americans feel the same way
and then there's Japan which apologizes for a delay by few seconds
The Japanese railways are privately run too.
But the Japanese culture is *very* strict when it comes to punctuality.
For drivers, the penalties for being late are *very* harsh. They face financial penalties, and are forced into harsh and humiliating "retraining programs", known as _Nikkin Kyoiku,_ which sees them removed from their normal duties and performing tasks such as cleaning and essay writing, while being yelled at.
There was a major derailment in 2005 once after a late-running train was driven too fast around a curve; the train slammed into a block of flats after derailing. The driver (who was killed in the derailment) had been through the "retraining program" once and was determined *never* to go through it again.
@@LordBruuh really? NMBS isn't like really good, however, it doesn't suck this much as well.
NMBS is owned by the government btw, so is all public transportation (as in de lijn, TEC and MIVB) People with low incomes get reduction on train tickets as well are able to use public buses, metro and teams for free. (Keeping it cheap and even free isn't possible by privatisation)
If you don't mind seeing the monthly salary man kill himself in front of you, then yeh it's alright
So true, I used to live in Japan up to the age of 14, and it was such a great country. Everything is clean, it's cultural, the weather's nice, and the community is so kind and honest. However, I used to be in a soccer team there, and I was 3 minutes late to training. In Britain, 3 minutes late doesn't matter, however in the Japan, you would be kicked off the team. Not to be arrogant or anything, but I was one of the best players on the team, and I was kicked off for being 3 minutes late. If any of you people are out there reading this, never be late in Japan.
@Harry Bell true, but just especially in Japan.
In sweden, in debates about railway privatization, we are using the privatization in the UK as a example of horror.
it's weird because in Italy the private railway company is much more popular then the government owned one.
Because it was made shitty! There are good examples, but also very bad examples.
@@bonda_racing3579 In Italy, are there any subsidiaries from state for private railway companies?
@@csocseszrocsesz No private railway companies like italo railways don’t get subsidies from the government like the UK because theirs already a state owned railway company called Trenitalia. Fun fact - the stated owned railway was fined $272,000 for by antitrust authorities for bad practices.
Italo has had crazy increases in annual profits between the years of 2016 to 2018 making 30 million euros to 93 million euros. Private sector railways in Italy are doing great with the competition it’s gets from state owned railways.
I bought a train set the other day,and when I opened the box it had a rail replacement bus inside!
Anagram of 'Central Station' = 'Cattle on trains'....
I like that one! 😂
Hahaha 🤣😂
Never buy a train set on a Sunday.
BRILL.
UK: "why are our trains so bad?"
US: "dude! you have trains?!?!?!"
@Robert Davies nationally? yeah. however, the boswash corridor (where one fifth of the us population lives) rivals/exceeds European densities and it's such an embarrassment that they cannot even get the Acela right.
@Robert Davies I'm saying we have areas that are actually highly suitable for trains and the BosWash (the Boston-NYC-Philadelphia-Baltimore-DC megalopolis) is extremely well suited (One-fifth of the US population, the right amount of distance, cities are in an approximately straight line, etc) and the best have is the Acela which is a friggin' joke compared to Europe or Japan. Amtrak turns a profit on the BosWash which is remarkable given how poor the service is.
@Robert Davies Haha! Guess what? We're building high speed rails and better train transportation in Cali, Texas, and Florida, as well as some other states!
Demand for Train Travel in the US is on the rise, mostly as an alternative to driving by car where soul crushing traffic just gets worse and worse year after year. If it wasn't for this damn virus I would be pretty optimistic about train travel in the US, there is actually one private rail line in Florida that's running at a profit with intentions to expand to LA -> Vegas. Also Amtrak (The government controlled for profit company that took over all passenger rail service in the US) would have made a profit this year (2020) if this virus didn't happen, something pretty much everyone thought impossible. We might actually be in a lot better shape then people realize over here, passenger rail service was never really profitable for railroads, it was always about freight, and as a result in the US we actually probably have the best rail system for transporting fright anywhere in the world, France and other E.U. countries on the other hand fall behind when it comes to freight. But with the incentives changing our railroad companies might start reinvesting in passenger rail and we might end up with a first class passenger rail system in less then a decade, fingers crossed.
Robert Davies nonsense the USA has the most extensive rail network on earth when you count freight trains therefore that’s not a valid excuse. Due to this the rail network can be upgraded to easily adapt passengers the tracks are there they just need to double or triple track existing lines and add advanced signals or even reduce regulation and get private rail to return. Some long distance lines can be rerouted and consolidated then upgraded to HSR service then boost regional lines
I choked on my Schnitzel when i heard the british train prices.
Trixxter wait until you see the Chinese prices/speed. German trains are a joke compared to them.
@@WorldEagleKW
well, the chinese pump in loads of mobey to keep prices low, in order to avoid the ppl getting a car fixation.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Careful now, you're saying that a more centralised authoritarian Government can be beneficial in some circumstances. Some mihgt accuse you of being a damned Commie.
@@johnperic6860 say what you like about Hitler. Those trains to the concentration camps were punctual asf.
@@chicofoxo It's much easier for Government to manage to build rails, motorways and other similer kind of construction when it's authoritarian and centralized. Hitler's autobahns or Chinese rails are very good example. Government is allowed just make a line on the map and build. They don't care about anything in the way very often. Human rights are the other side of the same coin.
"Why are Britain’s trains so bad?"
*Screams in New York*
@uh wot The fare of the trains in India are far way cheaper than any nation having railway transportation.
In Ukraine
@Ploke Newo78 you probably are because trains in a nation as big and, more importantly, as sparsly populated as the US is (for the most parts, at least), trains are simply unprofitable. I mean, why would someone go on a train from, let's say Miami to Dallas, which would take you a day or so with Jacksonville, New Orleans and Houston being the only major cities on the way, if you can just fly there which would probably just take 5 hours? The UK, on the other hand, is much smaller and much more densily populated, that's why comparing the US railway to the National Rail isn't really fair
@@johnperic6860 to be fair colonization fucked them over
*why are Britain's trains so bad?*
USA: allow us to introduce ourselves
usa trains are shite
They have trains??
Outstanding.... This here is commie shiiite
@@steffanhoffmann8937 hungary should introduce itself too
Guys you joke? In Romania you make 300 km in 20 hours with the train...so uk is ok:) oh and also no hesying in winter
I’m Japanese. I respect British trains because we learned a lot from UK when we built railways 150 years ago.
OUCH!!!
GAME!
Hajimemasite!
People forget the History of Rail.
Its true us British invented and pioneered early rail travel.
But you guys over there REALLY took it to the next level.
When i return i hope to travel on the Shinkansen :)
And we still live in the past whilst your country moved forward that is the problem.
I agree
私も同じ気持ちです
Try living in Ireland where trains show up once every lunar cycle
😂😅🤦♂️
@Boomer Galactica I don't want to spoil your delusions, but it might interest you to know that the Republic of Ireland had phased out steam locomotives by 1963, Britain couldn't manage this until 1968, and Northern Ireland still used steam until 1971. So "Southern Eire" was ahead of the dear old mainland on this one I'm afraid.
Our rail system has improved considerably in the last 20 years Seán, it is really little worse than Britain's especially considering our power population and lower population density.
@Boomer Galactica Indeed, I think the truth is an excellent way to dispell stereotypes and myths.
@@seanolaocha940 I think the Irish Republic was the second in Europe concerning withdrawal of the steam traction. The Netherlands was the first (8-1-1958, 1-8-1958), in (the former) West-Germany the steam lasted until October 1977 (!) (May 1975 for steam hauled passenger trains). Even in the Scandinavian countries the steam lasted until the early 1970's...
“Comparing trains from the 1950s” *shows the class 43*
@The Lost Railways Of East Anglia true
They said 50s-80s and the HST was built in the 70s soooooooooo.
The Lost Railways Of East Anglia - *Archive films* not 1973
"Comparing trains from the 80s to those of today is like comparing apples to oranges"
Yeah? Try taking a Northern train from Manchester to Liverpool, they've been using the same trains since the 80s
Roman Baranovichi Some parts of London also have trains built in the 80s, though being phased out, and tube trains built in the 70s.
You’re right. They just don’t want you to compare it to the past because not much has really changed and the conclusions make the case for not letting the government run it again.
lol try leeds
those Pacers (class 142/143) that I assume that your talking about are being withdrawn by Arriva and will be replaced with new trains.
Pacer anyone?
“Can’t have bad trains when you don’t have any at all” -Americans
Michael Lyga we actually have a lot of trains, they just are really, really bad. Not exactly sure what you’re talking about.
Michael Lyga At least we’re not Canada with no high speed rail at all lol
@@pblount340 yes but you're a huge country, so you need more anyways
I live in Yonkers, New York and have lived in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh where trains are common methods of public transportation and I can safely say that the U.S needs some serious improvement on their railways. Pittsburgh's rails were actually not that bad; they have one subway station that exist for no reason I can think of, which only goes to a very few places around and outside the city. I would actually like to see high-speed suspended magnetic monorails become the norm for cities; suspended magrails would cost less than laying railways or making subways, and would move right over traffic quickly.
@@Kehwanna yes they should rather spend billions of dollars in something like this than in a wall which is not gonna work anyways
Important point, privatisation happened “gradually” take note on the NHS, don’t trust the tories.
If you see Sid tell him.
what do you think the HS2 will be?
Regionsl railways introduced by the tories in the 1980's would have been fine enough if they didn't go further by totally starving BR of funding, and then privatising it. Of course that wss their intention, just that most of us thought the introduction of Regional Railways early Thatcher was to give rolling stock identity and for local decisions to be made locally rather than at Whitehall and not being the first step towards privatisation. How badly wrong we were proven to be when it did grt sold off in 1995, the fact the regional railways early Thatcher happened a few years before the big sell off of most of the other former major nstionalised industried such as BT, British Gas, Electricity boards got privstised gave us a false sense of security that it wouldn't get sold off.
All local/regional decisions don't need to be done in Whitehall though even in a nationalised model. Regional railways could come back in a renationalised rail network, and in fact having come out of privatisation would prove be far better in practice than Regional Railways as a major step towards privatisation early Thatcher.
@freakin16
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There's an assumption that privatisation of a service or an industry isn't happening because it hasn't happened. Yet!
We only know ts happened once its officially announced at tory party conferebce, but by then it's far too late to do anything. All the deala are going on behind closed doors between tory governmsnt ministers snd various 3rd parties. Indeed privatisation is gradual, so gradual that hardly anyone notices eny changes even though chsnges have proven to be significant change over time - before the privatisation actually happens - and its been staring us all in the face all this time. It is being privatised. The tories don't ever do privatisations rapidly because they are desperate to maintain voter support come the following general election or 2. Most of those who despise provatisation who votng for the tories because they don't think the NHS is being privatised becauee it hasn't happened, the tories won't want to complete the privatisation yet because they are desperate to keep those voters for the 2024 general election. Once the tories been in office for 3 or 4 then lose popularity among those voters regardless of privatisation, and labour are so far ahead the tories won't win the next once they feel they have nothing to lose by officially announcing the privatisation so close to the general election even though they could have done it sooner, and the privatisation done the way it is that by labour renatlnalising after winning the general election that it would "bankrupt the country". I recall Blair saying (in fact promising it in the manifesto before the 1997 general election would renationalise the railway), but after the election pulled away from doing so as it cost the tories billions to privatise it, but even more by hundredfold to renwtionalise it and indeed would have bankrupted the country had he done so snd as spending is such a sensitice issue to much of the electorste he probably would have lost the next general election even though nstionalisrd railway is a much better railway than a private railway. Ok, Trump just lost the US election, it has saved the NHS from going private for now, but let's not rest too much it will juet tske the tories longer to sell it off completely, we only hsve one general election to save the NHS now. If the tories win next election (but then lose popularity (including among too many who should never thought about voting for the tories, hope they sll finally come to their senses before 2024 anyway) as labour rise again), they will do to the NHS what they did to the railways in 1995 too close to the general election so they claim a labour rnationalisation of the NHS after the election will bankrupt the country even though a nationalised health service is better than a private health service.
The trick for labour is to catch the tories onawares win the next general election before the tories officially completely sell the NHS off so they don't have the impossible situation to either keep it private or renstionalise it and bankrupt the country with the economy being such a sensitive issue. Even if private healthcare proves unaffordable for most in the same way that train fares have shot through the roof since privatisaton, sadly judging by opinion polls too many people don't seem to care about that above out of control ever rsing house prices, strong pound, higher FTSE100 index prices and whatnot.
I am Japanese & I've been planning trips to many places in both Wales & England for us in this coming summer by train & bus ,but I was so shocked by the prices & travel routes / time tables.Very frustrating that time tables between two trains ,or bus / train don't really match & many stop serving early if it's in the countryside ,or rural areas .And often, a lot easier/ faster & cheaper if we take the train from london. Even if it's a lot closer from Wales ! And a lot of those train tickets are $40-$80 for an hr.trip !! If for 1 to 2 ,3 hr.travelling .In my country ,Japan that's like 3 to 4 hr trip fees !! It is disappointing !! I was wondering how Brits felt about this ,so thanks !! Now I know ! Lol. I found that in Britain ,or U.K.it runs a good system of transportations in the cities ,but awful in the countrysides/ rural regions !! Even if in the high tourist areas !! That ,we hardly see in Japan !! Privatization fails in many things !! A great example is here ,U.S. !! Lol. Whenever we get blackouts ,it takes forever to get lights back on !! In Japan, the electricity & gas are operated by the government, so in a brief period ,it'll come back on !! Trains are ,too ! They are always on time ,or early .Rarely late ! Buses come on time ,too ,or a little late !! Lol.💜🥁🐉🎤🚞🚈💞
There are some things just better run being government owned. British Rail often had trains running late, but they got you there. There was real service at the stations. It seemed every employee knew the train timetables by heart, whether ticket seller or porter. Trains had a baggage car where you could put your bicycle or your bulkier baggage.
@@rockykoast7065 HI. Thanks so much for your reply ! I have to agree with you on the government owned train companies so on are better !! I totally agree with you ! But,in Japan, that's why ( & our discipline. Our nature .Lol. ) all the trains come on time !!! Lol. Unless there are accidents like derailing ,or suicides ,freak accidents. And they're usually decent prices !! I just got back from Wales & England. I was very frustrated by many delays/ changes ( ex. It was a direct train to my destination ,but became non direct ,so I had to change ! And a couple of times I heard announcements that passengers needed to move to another cars as they were going to different directions ! Brits ,I mean here ,English & Welsh were so confused themselves!! Lol. Imagine how confused I was !! Lol. ) & not to mention the ticket prices !! Yes ,the workers knew their timetables by heart ,but that's the same in Japan ! I was very very impressed ,though that many workers at each station were SUPER nice !!! That ,I have to mention here !! Both Welsh / English !! I got a lot of help w/ my heavy carry on luggage ( 2 ) & directions from them !! Welsh female workers were so tough & kind beyond anybody's limits !! One of them followed me on my train to catch up w/ me ( I was not aware at all !! ) to help me putting my heavy luggage on the rack !!! Nobody does this ,but them ,or her in the world !!! I believe !! There were some very rude staff at subway & train stations in London & Newport ,Wales ,though ! But overall ,85 to 90% ,their services were superb !! Very very kind !! I had a blast regardless in both Wales / England 🇬🇧 !!! Thank you so much for your reply !! 👍💜🥁🐉🎤🎶🚈💞
I hope you enjoyed your visit anyway. I enjoyed my visit to Tokyo, Kamakura, Nara and Osaka on your wonderful trains 🚂
Oh ..! I did !! I did have lots of fun & blast !! So~many beautiful ,kind people there !! Are you a Brit !? That's so fantastic to know you loved train travels in Japan !! Kamakura is my fave ,too !! Lots of nice cool cafes are there !! You didn't mention of Kyoto ,didn't you go to Kyoto !!? You should the next time ,if you haven't !! My No.1 fave in Japan is Kyoto although I am originally from Tokyo !! Thank you so much !! Thank you so much for your reply ,too !! 👍👍💜🥁🐉🎤🎶🚈💞
@@spark_6710 I am glad you enjoyed Britain! Yes I am from North East England 🇬🇧 yes I took the train to Kyoto but didn't see much of the city as I had a meeting 😓 I wanted to see a Maiko wandering around 😅. The train I took to Osaka was very cool it was old fashioned with retro windows and it has its own mascot at the station.
£23 million in profits
£20 million to share holders.
There's your problem right there.
they need to cut out the middlemen ie shareholders and the private companies !
the trains were running much better in the Southern Railways days long before the beeching axe and British Railways came in and ruined it all and so what if the train operator is turning a profit from the railways? that will mean that to make more money from the railway line, they need to attract more customers and they do this by improving the service on that railway line and maybe even cutting the rail fare in order to get more customers on the line.
@paul gough the middle man is the subsidizer which artificially makes the rail fare cheaper which is the tax payer, aka you and the government (thats if you pay tax to HMRC) so if we remove the subsidy then the fares will be at market rate and service will be improved.
Its a whole lot better than giving the money to over paid train drivers who spend most of their time either on strike, finding non existent reasons to drive, having very long wee breaks and six weeks off at a time
... and we massively subsidise that from our own frikking tax payer money
It's stupid how much trains cost in the UK, especially compared to buses
£5 to catch a First bus Return! Per day Greater Manchester!
It’s stupid how much buses cost
@@Dr23rippa £4.50 unlimited journeys on any bus in London for the whole day
And end up getting delayed anyway.
buses are worse plus the terrible road system and traffic
I wish the people running these train companies in the UK would take a trip to Japan to see how the national JR system there is run to military precision. In Tokyo they have 10 carriage trains every few minutes that can carry up to a thousand people each time. They are spotless and always on time. The train drivers and conductors wear classy pilot style uniforms with white gloves and are incredibly well disciplined and professional. This is not to mention that Japan has also had high speed rail (Shinkansen) like the upcoming HS2 since 1964! All a massive success. We in the UK are so far behind.
See. It's a nice thought but culture plays a MASSIVE role. Japan and England are nothing alike when it comes to culture.
Train Delay? Really!! In India, they come when they want to...
And people sit where ever they want! On top of each other. On top of the train, under the train, near the train driver...And everything works still to this day! lol.
✌🏻💀
You are talking about the past. Travelling on top of trains in India is unheard of these days. Yes there are delays, but prices are very low.
@@Crazytesseract Absolutely! Trains have changed in India so much that the issues like regular delays, extremely crowded space, etc. aren't that common now. There might be some places still struggling, but sure a lot has changed now.
But some people have this habit of living in past or just defaming, don't mind that.
Tf are you on about?
Britain: “worst delays in 15 years”
USA: Hold my beer
USA: "What trains?" -Shoves Amtrack into a closet-
@yaggyplantationproductions and here I thought it was because americans use cars and planes rather than trains.
USA: “delays worse than 15 years”
Try Indian railways, almost free, mediocre comfort often late but each journey is an adventure.
While in Japan they have 4/5 private railways companies and they measure delays in seconds.
"At least 8% of Southern Rail trains were either canceled or more than 30 minutes late."
*Amtrak looking on with envy 😲*
Of course the USA are so good that the Government bought rockets from Russia.
And that is an undisputable fact..
In the Netherlands the National Railway NS has a trackrecord of 92.6% of trains on time, 94,8% chance of having a seat in rush hour and a 4,6% rise in passengers. I thought that were bad figures. But then I read that our train system is one of the busiest in the world. There are so many trains in one hour that there is no need for a timetable, every 5-10 min there is train between the major cities, it’s called “spoorboekloos rijden” it means timetableless driving. NS is also the parent company of Abellio UK with Scotrail, West Midlands and East Anglia. I don’t know how they perform, but seeing the UK figures I fear it won’t be good. Maybe it’s the infrastructure?
This is one sector that should be nationalised....
@@RealConstructor Abellio run Merseyrail which connects Liverpool with its suburbs. It has the best performance level of any UK train operator with 96.4% of trains running on time.
In terms of renstionalisation of UK rail, Corbyn if he was elected Prime Miniter was only looking to do it via the regional railways model (the precursor to privatisation introduced by Thatcher in the early 1980's), not BR with no regional names on carriages and locos with the running of the whole system from Whitehall like the original nationalised model until the early 1980's.
Local decisions made by local operators across the UK per regional railways are more efficaient than same decisions made 100's of miles away in London. Can certainly be done in nationalisation.
Meanwhile where I live in Canada:
“You guys have trains?”
Problem is shareholders being the first priority and customer the last.
UK, we invented trains
ALSO UK, let's make ours terrible
UK: We invented x.
Later on..
Also UK: We are the worst at X
@@imeverywhere9633 true, same with football or cricket.
@@nitishsaxena1372 Haha..true bro...they're gonna lose this world cup too...😅
@@nitishsaxena1372 the UK has the world's best football competition the Premier League
@@thwales2520 which shines only because of the foreign players. The quality of English players gets exposed with the English national team's performance.
"A lot of the British public have had enough."
Guess that just about summarizes most UK politics in the past 10 years.
you missed a "0", i think you meant 100 years lol
shut up peasants we own you
@@Cd5ssmffan That is an interestingly new way to say: "I am an ingracious little incel."
The labour governments of the 70s and early 2000’s destroyed our future out of spite. Then they had to hand it over to the conservatives, who, I agree didn’t do a lot to help, we’re just left to pick up the pieces
@@user-mz3ig5oo3w ungracious? And be careful who you call incel, people might think you're projecting.
Never thought we were getting ripped off as much until now 🤣🤣🤣
I'd say that's deliberate! The private companies don't want us to know that there's an alternative.
@@katy3901 that's not going to solve anything sorry 😂 making a list of what needs to be improve and getting people to sign that list like a petition to get this approved then sign it off to government with an idea of how we can improve the train and the service that's just my idea anyway 🤷🏾♂️
@@kaziourblue8410 I'm completely in favour of nationalisation personally. The whole pretence of private rail relies on money being funnelled to shareholders and CEOs. If we're going to treat public transport as a necessity rather than luxury then nationalisation is the sensible option.
The private companies are only going to be incentivised by profit.
@@katy3901 I dont personally know alot about this bit have been looking into it how would you do make this happen?
@@kaziourblue8410 I don't think the policy is the issue? The tracks are publically owned and private companies largelly compete for the contracts. I'd assume it would make sense to wait until the contracts expire and then simply establish the nationalised system.
The fruits of neoliberalism.
A reply that stinks of the overeducation of simpletons.
@@hedydd2 pot? Kettle?
@@bbaggins68
Banjo? Bassoon?
I used to live in England (I'm German) and was amazed who expensive traveling by train in Britain is. I commute 20 miles to work in Germany and pay around 800£ each year for train, bus and tram. In England, I used to travel more or less the same distance, but paid more than 3 times that money and was only able to use trains. How is that even possible? Not only that, but the trains are always full, they were beyond old and looked like we Germans missed them in the war. How come you pay around 3700£ for an unlimited season pass for the whole of Germany, but in England you can barely cover Greater London for the same price?
Don't forget that services in Germany are heavily subsidized. Depending on the region the taxpayer adds between 1-2€ for every Euro the commuter spends.
And without high speed trains...
@mjzyt I was referring to the subsidies for regional / commuter trains.
@@gfudkgkl Don't forget public roads are subsidized too - everywhere.
Sunny101190
Britain has seen an almost 20% increase in its population over the last few decades. With economic growth to match that population growth.
German on the other had has seen about a 10% growth but has seen economic growth to match that population growth. German has then been able to invest in its infrastructure through both private and government investment.
The only way the UK government could actually fund a nationalisation of rail would be to increase taxes which would actually hurt economic growth.
I was a Train Driver for 25 years, some with BR, the rest in the private sector, the whole privatization process was flawed from the outset, the companies bidding for the licence to run the old BR services were ill equipped to run trains within the confines of the franchise parameters. Money still flowed into the railways from the taxpayers, this money worked it's way through and ended up in the pockets of private companies, staff were cut, management increased, moral hit the floor, all this and more made working very difficult, unresponsive management would never listen to staff so staff stopped listening to management. The main problem is Britain's railways are a 21st century railway running on a 19th century system, no amount of new track and signalling will bring the paths needed to run more trains, what is needed is massive investment in new track lines but in this country that will never happen, £100+Billion on new high speed won't solve the problem either, the railways still suffer from the same old problem, political football between the two main parties, a new third way is needed, but don't hold your breath.
Shameful...... Brits should expect (and deserve) more than this disaster of a rail network.
It's interesting that the common consensus is that the current infrastructure is woefully outdated and in dire need of replacement into more durable and electrified rail gauges suitable for high speed trains, but nobody in Britain is committed to overhauling this very important dilemma.
You did ok out of it though, stop whinging
In the end of the day it’s all about money
Terry Higgins yes very true, Kevin which pay packet would you sooner have? BR or privatised?
2019: British trains are so bad
2022: Hold my beer
The reason your train system sucks isn't because its privatized, its because two separate entities own the trains and the rails. The best train systems in the world are privatized, Hong Kong, Tokyo.
You'd think for a country that prides itself on the 19th century industrial age, they'd have the best train system on the planet.
Man O War yeah the funny thing is us English have been paying for other European countries infrastructure.
@@bangtidybird8284 Great British pride of all ! Car industry wrecked, rail industry wrecked, ... list goes on... and obviously it is everyones fault - mainly European fault.
@TW3 Yeah the first world war was not for the good of the planet. That was a sibling fallout for the European royals. Second world war we werent exactly the good guys either, seeing as we, you know, starved 4 million Indian people, who were fighting on our side... against the nazis. But we dont talk about that, cos Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people so he was obviously worse. We only went to war with them cos we realised they might pinch the title of most brutal empire on the face of the planet. but hey dude keep being proud of something you had absolutely nothing to do with, and something you obviously havent even bothered to learn about... Becuz you're british init!
Now look what you made me do, going off on this random world war rant! I came here to talk about TRAINS!
sumofighter666 Maggie thatchers fault actually, you're probably too young to know or too old to remember..
The only thing visible in N. Ireland funded by EU in Translink trains. They aren't bad but was no reason to be in the EU and have no democracy..
Its cheaper to live in Barcelona and flying 5 days a week to london to work. Uk is becoming a joke.
Work remotely from home one day weekly. Save even more!
That's just not true is it
@@MrKiingpin ruclips.net/video/QNTInjTwsGQ/видео.html
Maybe not suitable for everyone.but that clip made sense
I live on the moon and take the space shuttle to work.
At $23,000,000,000,000 etc a trip it's much cheaper and cost effective.
I live in the 21st Century.
Considering the complicated rail network of the UK rail system, especially near London, I think they overall run pretty well . Its just the stupidly high prices that is the killer.
British Railways: Our trains are so bad!
Deutsche Bahn: Allow me to introduce myself!
aCup0fBlackTea_ well deutsche bahn is much better than britains trains, yes they may have more delays than them but everyone in europe looks up to deutsche bahn As a good service
@@tgn2502 Lets talk Arriva northern a DB company
Uk : train carries passengers.
India : passengers carry train.
Britain used to aspire to being the best, now it looks to other countries that do things worse than it as a feeble excuse. That is classic low self esteem. Have some pride and have a system as good as the Dutch, or French, or German.
Blimey, Indian people must be kryptonians then
That's no longer the case, and it is rare. Looks like you have never traveled by train in India for the past 10 years.
The privatization model fails to recognize one basic fact. Railroads are a system. Rolling stock and trains are but one piece. Once you divorce ownership of the trains from the rails you create silos of interest. The owner of the roadway has no financial interest in making the trains run better.
The public then pays penalties to private owners and they don't even have to run their trains to make money. Then there's none left to fix the infrastructure. Capitalism at its finest.
@EpiDemic117 "There isn't any problem besides all of the problems"
Amtrak sucks specifically because they don't own any rails. When you own the rails you decide when anyone leasing those rails gets to wait. Surprise, surprise, Amtrak has a massive delay problem caused specifically by leased rail. Their OTP is significantly better on the one tiny part of the network they actually own.
plus commuting city to city by rail just isn't a thing in the US like it is in europe. there's little demand and less supply because the culture doesn't support it.
where i live getting the train is by far the fastest way to get to any major city in the UK. it's faster than plane to get from here to france. if the rails suffer and fail it actually damages my ability to make choices on how i travel but thats not true for the majority of the US.
@@nostromov7892 you're confusing capitalism with corruption my friend.
Ben Jervis not really seeing how capitalism and corruption are inseparable
British trains aren’t that bad compared to American trains.
lolololololol come to south africa...
Better than the US maybe, but not as good a trains or as cheap a train journeys as over in the continent, or in Japan and China. HST's all running at in excess of st least 150mph vs only 125mph here in the Uk. Plus you can sit upstairs on trains over in the near continent, China and Japan, but you can't do so here in the UK because they are sll single decker trains.
Over in the continent, trams operate as the equivalent of our suburban train services (apart from Greater Manchester), and coaches operate in the continent instead of commuter trains.
Turning branch heavy rail lines into tram-train lines in Northern England using new tram-trains would be better than still using the heavy rail Pacers in places.
The superTrams in Sheffield could be upgraded to tram-train services and divert on the heavy rail lines (if overhead electrified) into the train stations instead of stopping outside the station in the street. Edinburgh trams likewise could be upgraded to tram-train services too. Edinburgh Tram-trains inside Waverley and Haymarket stations would be a wonderful thing.
That is like saying getting punched in the face isn't that bad compared to getting shot.
@@dvidclapperton The UK doesn't have double decker trains because the tunnels are too small. It would cost huge amounts to rebore all the tunnels to take double decker carriages.
@@sunset-inn That’s true but Amtrak, basically the only nationwide passenger service train we have, has been going bankrupt for years now
Being British and living in Hong Kong with multiple visits to Japan all I can say is the UK is in the dark ages
Rick Reeder flip the tables , have you seen coronavirus 😂😂
Our railway system is actually ridiculous. The most needlessly complex yet non functional system, like many things in Britain, it clearly is not working yet no one wants to do anything about it. Met a guy who had a season ticket from Kettering to LDN which was £9000...... and then they wonder why people feel discontent in this country.
Instead of paying 9k a year maybe they should just live closer to work.....
@@mydevices5503 Don't try to justify a frankly ridiculous system. Speaking of housing, not sure if you've noticed but we currently have a long-running housing crisis in the SE so he'd be exchanging exorbitant transport for expensive housing. Great deal there.
@@mydevices5503 True, but housing in the UK is super expensive as well, especially in London.
As a German I would like to work and live in London, but if I compare my income and basic living expenses, it sadly doesn't make sense for me to do so. Even though we are catching up with housing costs right now. If anything, it will get as bad here as in London. Probably not going to improve over there.
£9,000?! That's outrageous! For that kind of money he should be getting daily massages on his trip- happy ending included!
Maybe his wife has a well paid job in Kettering. People no longer wish to live in Londestonia.
*laughs in japanese*
FBI how do you laugh in a different language???
@@rinhayashi7685 It's a joke
Raughs*
Fufufu...
This is how: ハハハハハ
USA: Trains can be electric?!?!
I am czech, we have had a national rail service here since the start, and only very recently have private companies been allowed to start competing on this market. The national rail still remains as the main operator. It relies on subsidies, mainly due to running many non-profitable lines in remote areas that need to be maintained as public service (lately private companies can also apply for these subsidized lines, though they rarely do, understandably, little money to be made there apart from the subsidies) and is widely regarded as mediocre at best, BUT it sets a standard. They run an acceptable, affordably priced service all over the whole network. The private companies are now welcome to enter this market, and either pay for slots on a track or compete for an entire line, but at any given time they are competing against the minimal standard set by the national rail. So in order to get customers or indeed the subzidized contract for the line, they need to start one-uping the national rail and subsequently each other. This has in a recent years led to a stark improvement in quality of rail service across the country and absolutely massive leaps in services on the most lucrative lines where up to 3-4 companies can be fighting for customers at the same time. Amidst the fierce competition the national rail continues to run and pose the looming threat of losing your bussiness should you fall below its standard.
This is where I see the largest problem of the british rail. You lack this sort of standard. This line that cannot be crossed. Once the private company secures their contract they can do more or less as they please. So naturally they will put profit first. And you can hardly blame a private company for that. Rail service and public transportation are the responsibility of the government and the british rail is a major case of mismanagement that goes dozens of years back.
I can take the 170km, 2.5 hour ride from prague to my birthtown, in a clean, air-conditioned carriage with free on-board wi-fi, for the price of roughly 10 pounds. Comparing this to my experience with british rails, I am simply baffled how can that be tolerated.
Come to Croatia! Here you buy a train ticket and you end up on a bus :D
is it the transfer-free ticket？
@@lancetrident3484 yes, and as of late, the bus takes around 40% less time to >any< destination in croatia xD
TO BE FAIR... 80% of my train tickets end up with a replacement Bus service, in Southern Railway UK too no doubt :(...
*Northern, Southern and Arriva Trains:* allow us to introduce ourselves...
Believe it or not, same here in Sydney.
*uploads a video “why r trains in UK so bad”
Indian trains: am i a joke to you?
I am not going to even talk about American trains.
As an Indian I strongly agree. Public transport here is worse than any joke imaginable.
Ivan Razumov Let’s all talk about American Trains!
1) American trains go around 30 MPH per hour
2) This video was made my Americans but they paid a British actor to make it look better
3) The Americans didn’t even try
The Theory Kid I guess to the USs defense, we do have a decently long road network so a car is usually always the better option (excludes NY and Chicago)
@@mitch5847 What do you mean "this was made by Americans". Channel 4 is a well known BRITISH television network. They have a British "actor" because they are in Britain.
UK: we have bad trains
USA: hold my burger
Canada: you guys have high speed rail?
Also Canada: Your trains run on electricity?!
Mexico :
"Wait...why are you asking are my country train are so bad if I didnt have Passenger Train ?
That was a great piece, really fair and impartial. Thanks so much. I spent three months in the UK a year ago and I was bewildered by the price of train tickets.
The idea of franchising the segments of the country is definitely not competitive. For competition to exist, the customer needs to have the choice of using an alternative. At the moment, the customer has no say in which train company operates in their segment of the country, the companies themselves have the final say because they can bid as much money as they want. How about this for a crazy idea? The customers in each segment vote for which train company gets to operate in their constituent. That way, if a train company is failing to meet expectations with high prices and slow services, the customers themselves have the power to evict them and choose who they would rather provide their trains for the area.
they are failing because their business model is from the stone age.
They only became a thing in the 19th centuary... The buisness model is the same a most privateised railways money. It's called capitalisim. The first railways were built for money, then the Big Four era of high quality services, it wasn't till WW2 that the camels back was broken. The Mainland european trains had the' lucky' effect of mostly being destroyed so they were rebuilt in the 50's and 60's to higher standards than lines dating from the earliy 1900's. Now give Network rail the money it needs and the suppervision it needs and the costs would go down.
AND any PLC has the heavy burden of shareholders, and extortionately expensive management...
We in Germany also had a record in delays this year mostly causes by poorly privatized routes sold by the Deutsche Bahn.
You're the first honest person from outside the UK I've read on this comment section.
Surprised you would have this problem in Germany of all places!
Corporate mismanagement and greed is universal unfortunately
I have been commuting around Germany for the last three month. Trains/Networks are much better and cheaper than the UK, but punctuality is far worse than UK. I have traveled 37 times using ICE,IC,RE in the last 2 month alone, they rarely ever came on time. 30min+ delays were the norm for almost half the cases.
On the other hand, the Dutch also privatized their railways and are ranked #3 in the world (after Japan and Switzerland) of countries with trains arriving on time; while Dutch railway networks are among the busiest in the EU. They chose however a semi-privatized construction, whereas NS (Dutch Railways) is a private company but 100% state owned and it provides all services on the main infrastructure. Services on the lesser infrastructure are performed by other private companies like Arriva and Veolia and it has proven to be pretty successful. How? Railway companies have to sign contracts with the government in order to provide services and the government only accepts a certain amount of delays and failure. If the companies do not meet the criteria, they are forced to pay serious fines. So I guess privatisation doesn't necessarily mean worse railways, it's just about how you do it.
Won't have the worst railways in the EU when we're not in the EU anymore
*pats finger on head*
What is wrong with the Railway is the same as what is wrong with the country. It is small mindedness. Like closing 1/3rd of the system in the '60's without considering the long term effects. Looking for a quick profitable result and damning future generations. All the good times are past and gone. The only way to get them back, & don't expect it to happen overnight, is to completely change the mind set of all the governments we have in the future. Here's an idea for starters; just like you get a leaflet detailing where your Council Tax is going, how about one showing where your Income Tax is going. Then go and see your MP.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083
Your thoughtful comment applies equally well to the new and troublesome political mindset in the United States today, we don't build for the future like preceding generations did not so long ago.
We made the same mistake in France when during the nationalization, as soon as 1938, 1/4 of the railway network got sacrified. I mean no less than 13400 kms. So today that still remains, including high speed lines, about 25000 kms open to passenger travel (barely more than Japan's 23000 in a country 3 times smaller in size) under constant threat, with 5000 kms more either for freight trains only either completely abandoned. Things didn't get better after the war with only a few suburrban lines extended or reopened (and yet another 6500 kms lost between 1969 and 1974). On the other hand the TER and RER systems set by the Regions proved to be a success for the remaining provincial and Parisian lines. Situation would have been even worse without them.
Juju
You MUST be the first in line to be cleared out!
I'm from Australia but I see your problem. Your ticket prices are criminal. If you've bought an annual ticket, they've already got your money. They don't care what sort of service they provide. It seems going to and from work can cause you to live beyond your means. Privatisation doesn't always work.
@NakedMoleRat 43
"always doesn't work." Fixed that for you.
NakedMoleRat 43 Um Japan’s system is private and it does work. And Britain’s main industry was heavily nationalised during the 70s and it was a disaster
matt ede in communism in soviet it worked)
Your wrong britian is one of the best countries in the world and even better than everybody think it is
the problems are caused by the nationalised Network Rail which took over from the private Railtrack which owns all the railway infrastructure and often fixes tracks too late causing trains to not run from the main railway terminus or at a massively reduced frequency during the weekday when it was scheduled to finish on the sunday which almost never happened under railtrack without them being blamed. because Network Rail is state owned, they are unaccountable when it comes to a train crash or when the track maintenance isnt finished on time.
8:24 "Can't rank as one of the worst countries in the EU if you aren't a part of the EU anymore" -Brits
@Andy Fidler and not part of the EU
@Andy Fidler yeah ik
In UK you get at least announced if your train is late or cancelled. In Croatia you just wonder why there's no train and when you ask staff, nobody knows. Thank God now I have mobile internet to check the current train position.
Looked to book a train ticket yesterday to go to Manchester in March. That is quite far in advance but it still cost £80!!!!
Nationalise it now. The fact that you can fly into Europe, get a connecting flight to Newcastle, and it works out cheaper than if you got a train direct from London, shows how these private companies are getting away with murder.
£80 to travel to Manchester by train in 2 months time??
Where you traveling from? the Isle of White?
yeah lets use taxes instead that way we can see 40 on the price tag while 80 is taken in taxes, that way we can be delusional and feel good about it.
the africans dont pay anything, just get under the trains, get cushy and drop on the tracks on destination, Next day they go to Merkel and she issues a german passport and housing, and health care and loads of money
Natizonalisation won't make the ticket prices magically less, that's not how it works, The private companies already paid lots of money just to operate, the money they 'make' is only returns on what they spent just to get it.
You do realise that when you fly, you use private jets not commrade Corbyn jets. The issue isn't private, its the companies and shareholders
Since Henry got bricked into the tunnel things have never been the same... :'(
Comment of the year
Haha xD Thomas is so mean
“Why are Britain’s trains so bad”
America - allow me to introduce myself
@Ploke Newo78 don't forget about central Texas HSR system running Dallas to Houston on Japanese bullet trains!
@Ploke Newo78 Aveliaa liberty is just acela owned by amtrak
Having been a visitor to Britain several times, and travelling the length and breadth of the nation entirely by rail I do not accept that Britain's trains are bad. Some are certainly better than others, and some are pretty budget class, but they do provide at least a satisfactory service. The problem we observed developing over the years is that they are under increasing pressure to cope with the sheer growth of passenger numbers. The network is becoming more and more inadequate and needs to be expanded to cope with demand.
The The suggestion that nationalisation could fix it is nonsense
A visitor..? Try actually living here long term and commuting for your daily work 🤦♂️
Nationalisation could not possibly do any worse than how things are currently (provided the Tories aren't in charge; they would deliberately seek to sabotage it as they are doing to the NHS so as to make privatisation seem better)
Watching this as a Hong Kong person be like
lol we complain even if the metro is a few minutes late and metro gets fined millions
In the UK:
When a train is late, National Rail (who owns all of the rails in the UK as well as big stations like Waterloo) will Fine the Organisation. But this is obviously not enough
So, how many fines are there, and who pays them, to who?
@@prpjustice the metro company is operated privately so the MTR pays it last time it was fined 9 million hkd
@@jonathanng5218 And who pays that 9m Hkd?
@@prpjustice MTR company
Some seriously idiotic comments here. Just because the UK invented the darn things doesn't mean they'll be any better at it today. It's part of inventing things, you invent something, and then you fall back on it. The title of the video is very miss leading - the UK trains are not ''so bad'' - they are just poorly managed and the video questions wether or not the current system is working well or not.
It's RUclips. What do you expect
I say let the Japanese run them
Thank you Mrs. Thatcher.
Sergio Marrocco You obviously never took a train in the 70’s
You literally said that comparison between the 1980s and today isn't possible while standing next to a still running 1980s train.
*laughs in japanese*
*laughs in french*
*laughs in german*
*laughs in south korean*
*Cries in American*
*Cries in Polish*
Cries in Canadian
laughs in Chinese
laghs in londonese
It's interesting that in Germany we have just the same problems. A lot of people, and that includes me, would say it's due to the privatization of the DB (Deutsche Bahn - German Rail) in the mid 90s and the ongoing efforts to get DB listed at the stock exchange. From this time on, maintenance funds were cut down to the absolute minimum. Today the infrastructure is in a very bad shape and inadequate for the amount of traffic it has to support, while tickets are insanely expensive (it's often way cheaper to take a plane!).
In the 1960s, DB had the slogan: "Everyone is talking about the weather. We don't." ("Alle reden vom Wetter. Wir nicht.") Today we get delays when it's too hot, too cold, when it's fullmoon, when leaves are lying on the tracks in autumn, plus due to a plethora of other reasons. It basically became a running gag.
This lass has lovely eyes
Well she's not on the tele for her brains.
@@TheSkunkyMonk You don't seem like much of a judge.
@@deaddoll1361 Do you have some credentials to show off?
Martha Holeyman
Running a train system should never be about profits.
More videos like this please :)
Well it was alright. Which is high praise for C4 news. Needed more about France though. Why are there trains so good and cheap? We all know why England's are bad.
There’s plenty or subject matter here😄😄
@me hee shut up
I was expecting them to interview Thomas.
Realistically, Thomas would have alot to say about the current state of the British rail system.
Thomas the tank engine
@@Trainlover1995 So would Gordon and Percy =P
“You have cause confusion and delay”
@@Trainlover1995 Who is Thomas?
Who else looked this up whilst waiting for thier delayed train?
I mean. SJ always delays or cancels theirs.
56% said the current model is a failure, the other 44% have never been on a train
UK trains : I am horror to my passengers.
Mumbai local: ha ha h a ha lol.
Dhaka: Mu ha ha ha mo gambo Khush hua😂
Mumbai: Life threatning
I used to live in Switzerland and thought their train system was horrifically overpriced. Although in hindsight its actually tremendous value for money. Trains are never ever late and if they are its very well communicated why and when. A year long ticket to travel anywhere in the country would only set you back like 2,000 pounds to ride the most efficient, clean and quiet trains ive ever traveled. Excellent - state owned system they have... 10x cheaper and more efficient than that of the UK which is a disgrace...
The UK train lines are owned by the public (government) the problem is there simply is not enough line to facilitate the trains. So this means in highly dense populated areas that rains will be really slow and never on time and full up with passengers.
If people want nationalization maybe they should demand that the government puts their own trains on the lines but not at the expense of the trains that are already there.
UK government expenditure on rail sits at about 30 billion per year. The problems with UK rail is far beyond what you are seeing being reported.
Switzerland uses a small government approach which is broken down into regions. The UK uses one big central government approach which means it is highly political. The last time the UK had nationalized its industries including rail it bankrupted the country and meant it had to go to the IMF and borrow money.
I agree.. Switzerland just has the best train system in the world. Yeah its expensive but its so efficent that you dont mind paying for it !!
@@vishushams it may be expensive but is honestly still cheaper than tickets here in the UK. The prices don't fluctuate so you can buy a ticket and get on any time train as you wish and the price wont change whether you bought it weeks ago or on the day... the system is just much better
@@perc30mg
Switzerland does not have public healthcare liabilities like the UK. Switzerland uses a public insurance model combined with locally owned and run hospitals.
The UK spends about 150 billion a year on health. It cannot be expected to add trains on top of that.
@Monsieurturmoil You might be right about the nearly bankrupt sent after the both world wars, but we must not forget the British, along with the other Allied forces, liberated the Continent (or Europe, like some Britons say.. ;-)) from the Nazis! Yeah it is off topic, but we should not forget we in Europe had the benefits of the British war efforts in WW1 and WW2! Greetings from the Netherlands. Happy New Year and a healthy 2019 with a lot of train travel.
The Conservative party did it again.
Almost certain they just fake the numbers on the vote probably why they like to keep the vote a secret, I can't be living in a nation with that many cunts/idiots? Surely?
Goodness…… this was 2017. What on earth do in think of it now. (2022). It’s really shocking.
Britain: Our trains are so bad! Spectacularly.
USA: Hold my beer
hahaha
If hating on America was an occupation,the whole world would be employed.
@@daybreak1239 ok boomer
Both UK and USA are prime examples of privatization and deregulation run amock!
Techfluid USA: Hold my engine
Britain is the laughing stock of the western world. Nevermind just how shite our trains are, but also that our biggest international airports can be crippled for days by a bloke with an RC helicopter.
haha
Lol why didn't they just shoot it down straight away.
Wtf?
At least London has multiple functioning airports...the Berlin airport...haha.
Or maybe there wasn't one after all
The people who drive them are to blame
Well when there's a middle man that takes a big cut from the budget needed to maintain good trains what do you expect
_laughs in American_
_cries in American_
_What trains?_
This made me chuckle
Trains in the United States > UK
Retro Swagger well i agree but only on the northeast and in big cities
Nafees Ahmad and they SUCK in the Northeast
The trains aren't bad. They're great, but it's a private monopoly business and they've become a huge rip off.
The trains are transactionally expensive to the individual rail passenger, but it would cost more over all in terms of tax to support nationalising the railways. It would inevitably lead to uncompetitive and inefficient management (like all socialised systems eventually do) and we'd end up paying billions each year in tax. Just look at the billions of euros in debt the (nationalised) French SNCF railways rack up each year, and all the rail workers strikes...
@@GJ-ol5ev Solution is driver less trains. We have the technology now
Have you been up north?
@Otto Skorzeny very true, if the government wanted to run the rail service in the interest of the passengers they could & would but they would rather private companies heavily profit from it. The government's motto is anything that can make lots of money should exist to make lots of money instead of providing a good reliable service.
It’s an oligopoly not monopoly
Your bad train day in London is a good day in New York. I have mad respect for the London Transport system.
This girl's far to remember trains under nationalisation! The trains today are far, far better than anything in BR days: they had no money to buy new stock, so everything was old and dirty!
Correct, but we should not be complacent. We are far behind other nations, andd our improvements are not enough.
Japan has privatised rail and that works amazingly. The problem is the people running the companies.
Many of the Japanese rail routes are half-public, half-private.
It didn't privatise the same way the UK did. JR Group controls the lion's share of passenger rail. It's like if one TOC owned all the franchises in the UK under subsidiaries and provided nearly all passenger rail services, apart from a few urban networks and Grand Central style niche franchises.
The fact there is no franchising helps. If a company feels as though they have full control of their assets, it *can* make their services more reliable.
Still, Japan is always a special case scenario due to their collectivist society that prioritises efficiency and high quality over profits. And the West is all about profits.
The best train systems in the world are privately run, not public, Tokyo, Hong Kong.
@@luism5514 and the best European in Switzerland, Norway or France are not. Esp. Switzerland has the same quality as in Japan. Stupid sentence.
Britain: my trains are so bad.
US: Check your privilege.
Video is about britain's trains,why bring America up.Obsessed with hating America.
Daybreak123 oh get a grip
Take your own advice,dude.
Daybreak123 i mean, you’re the one saying ‘always hating on america’😂
I mean the comment section clearly bears that out.
Everyone pro public ownership forgets one vital detail. Namely who that puts in charge.
My challenge to them is this: Apart from the House of Commons Canteen, please name ANY organisation run by British governments which isn't BOTH chronically underfunded AND mismanaged.
Why they're so bad this long after being privatised, successive British governments decided how that was done & how it's been modified since. Why they were so bad before that, BR was effectively controlled & funded by British governments.
Claiming that does better is irrelevant, they wouldn't if they had our parliament in charge.
One of the reasons could be “The Beeching Axe” in the 196X years.
The truth is, some of lines shut down needed to close. They were unprofitable and expensive. However, some lines should never have been closed. Remember beeching was big supporter of motorways....
I was waiting for someone to pull that skeleton out of the closet. "To save the system we had to sacrifice part of it "
UK: I have the worse trains in the wooooorrrrlllddd.
USA : *Watch your profanity.*
louis marquet Canada: Both you guys actually have high speed rail?
Sweden: dElAy.
Pakistan: *sits in the corner while silently crying*
UK: we have the worst trains
USA: I am a joke to you?
Britain's trains are very expensive for passengers. But Europe's trains are very expensive for tax payers.
And we Germans think our railway is bad.
theres a difference between bad poor quality an bad pure evil lol soz had to
In Romania average speed 45 kmph and trains have only two speeds slow and snail
"We came there first, and now we're the worst."
-Jay Foreman.
“Providing worst possible service at the highest possible profit” - Noam Chomsky quoting Milton Friedman on Capitalism
Noam is brilliant I'm a Left Libertarian if regulated less state more society was able to run things the way they should be for a service first not profit the lines would run cutting a service because too few use is pointless why don't we sell of empty shops then to housing associations?
Aizaz Ali Friedman would never have approved of the British system though. The way to stop this is more competition, if there is more competition then companies need to both provide a good service and invest money that would otherwise be paid into dividends.
In capitalism though, those companies have competition. So you can go elsewhere if the price or service is bad. Under this broken system, the train operating companies are a local monopoly.
@Hairy Chinese Kid Do you have any evidence for that? The computer, the internet, shipping containers, the radar, GPS are the most consequential inventions of the last decades and they literally all came out of the government system.
Reading Chomsky for economics, is like taking a bible into a physics exam.
Europe certainly know how to run a railway. In the Uk, and especially up North the services are far worse
This is possibly one of the most intelligent news reports on any subject I’ve ever seen. Well researched, nuanced, and balanced.
British think their system is bad. They need to come and see our system. Amtrak is a major joke. I can not take a train from Savannah, Ga to Houston, Tex. A quarter of the trip is on a bus!
That is because rail will never be a viable option in the United States. Population density is too low and the distances too great.
Coast to coast in twelve hours? You do not understand my country, very well. Even still, it is still far less time consuming to fly. I am not sure about energy efficiency, but it is doubtful. By a per seat basis, planes in this day and age are pretty efficient. The real issue is cost. It would cost trillions to build what you claim we Americans need. Just to give you an example, billions have already been wasted on high speed rail in California with no rail to show for it. You cannot just take property; government has to pay for it. One of the problems in California is property owners who have already have had their property taken have yet to be paid for it. Anyway, that is "un-American" to you. We have a good transportation system in this nation, between our roads, automobiles, planes, buses etc. Trains are a boondoggle. If they were so superior, passenger rail would still be alive and well.
Apparently taking the plane is cheaper and quicker
Everything always goes up in the UK except the wages of the low class
Not true. The "lower class" has it better today than at any point in history. Every house has running water, electricity etc etc... The majority have a car on the drive or two or three. etc etc...
SDE ENT. Very true
You are telling the people of the UK that people working on the railroads have low wages? 0.0!
Why do you think ticket prices are so damned high?
UK Minimum wage per hour in 1999: £3.60
UK Minimum wage per hour in 2019: £8.21
Also if you're referring to the whole "make britain great again", back when great britain really was a great empire, back when the railways were first built, if a lower class working man got sick, his whole family starved. Literally. That's where the saying "put bread on the table" comes from, back then if you did not work you did not have bread, you did not eat. Is that what we want to go back to?
Don't get me wrong, the elite still earn way too much money, and there's plenty of room for imporvement. But it could also be worse. It's not a simple subject, the world is a very different place to what it used to be, if we are to progress it needs to be done intelligently.
Biggest thing you miss: Trains aren't profitable. if you want companies survive, they make money. If it is nationalised, it won't make money but it will use TAXPAYER money. do you end up paying for it you want it or not
Nationalisation won't change anything, and many things were worse in British Rail days, even before the increased passenger demand of today. The problem is the aging infrastructure which cannot keep up with the increasing demand. The infrastructure is OWNED by the government, and the train operators are just convenient scapegoats that can be sacked and replaced to keep the public happy. The government takes the bulk of the ticket income, sets the ticket prices, gives grants to operators which meet targets and manage their train crew effectively. Operators only make money through advertising revenue, tenancies and government grants. The real culprit is ultimately the government which is unable to fund improvements to the unreliable infrastructure. Now even Network Rail is getting scrapped in favor of a more efficient system, I'll believe it when I see it.
It's costs me more to get the train the airport than my flight to Norway from Manchester...
I find that strange. I took a flight from Phoenix, Arizona US to L.A., California US and that cost me 150 USD and that only one way. However I also recognize the EU is different then US when it comes to travel and peoples willingness to travel.
Ayy a Worlds fan
Your flight to Norway was less than £5.40???
@@AymanTravelTransport u probably paid for the ticket like a year early. and u dont know where she got the train from.
@@randomyoutubechannel2470 £5.40 is the price for a flexible turn up and go (on the day) train ticket from Manchester (city centre stations) to Manchester Airport