What a great collaboration, Taoflermaus is one of my favorite channels, they recently lost a team member to cancer. R.I.P Danny, I donated blood in your honor.
About as effective as an epoxied bungie cord. The resin locked up the Kevlar, so it couldn't move and mitigate the energy. Better to quilt six or more layers of Kevlar, then attach it the carbon fiber and resin outer shell. I'll make a matching tuxedo. I'll glad you found someone who could teach you gun safety, and you had a good time.
Agreed…. The fibers were locked up as far as the corset is concerned. As we saw with the panels… they were in fact more capable of stopping a round just because of how thick they were.
Aramid could be better than kevlar when made in this fashion. But you will need a lot more because of how thin the sheets are. Edit: or you could epoxie the outside edges to keep it together while retaining the flexibility.
Kevlar is "bulletproof" because it is a fabric, it acts almost like a net and physically catches the projectile. "Fun fact" Silk was used for the first bulletproof vest, it behaved very similar to modern kevlar
1:42 Officer Gregg is a good guy to teach you firearms safety. ALWAYS get training, training is IMPORTANT to firearms safety. (as certain recent news stories will prove out... but no comment on those) TFM is pretty darn good when it comes to videography, and he's a good guy that films weird stuff!
@@KrazyMitchAdventures if every kid in Canada is required to take a firearms safety course, then maybe I should stop making fun of Canadians... quite as much
The standout in this video is your muzzle discipline, even after shooting the shotgun, when you were obviously surprised by the recoil. Officer Greg's notice of this, highlights his training effectiveness, and your tall spikey learning curve. Good job shooting, too! It looks like a hobby you have some natural potential to be really good at. I'd be interested in seeing you try some long range target shooting. I think you might be a quick study at picking up the nuances of computing the intricacies involved in long range accuracy.
I wonder if epoxying the kevlar actually made it less effective at bullet resistance? Isn't the way kevlar works predicated on its ability to move? Like elasticity crossed with non Newtonian fluid dynamics? But epoxying it and not allowing the kelvar to deform and spread out the impulse of the impact, wouldn't it have restricted its efficacy? I'm guessing the sandwiched layers of kevlar and carbon fiber will fair much better. Sort of like how laminated cooking vessels work with alternating layers of very conductive vs high capacity/energy density to spread it more evenly between the source of the energy and the other side.
Hah I was coming here to suggest the same thing. I mean I know very little about kevlar/bullets/etc, but my understanding of how kevlar works is the fabric bunches up and catches the bullet, and maybe the epoxy isn't letting it do its job in that sense. Also this method of bunching up and catching the bullet only works on bullets because they're spinning through the air like a football, it's much less likely to work on a random piece of shrapnel, or something like armour-piercing rounds, which are coated in teflon, so the kevlar can't bunch together and absorb the impact. This was still a very satisfying video to watch though, so thanks for doing this Xyla!
I assumed the same thing, kevlar chainsaw pants are padded with loose woven kevlar fibres that wrap round the moving chain & stop it. A bullet proof ballgown would probably work better designed along the same lines, a flexible padded construction beneath - it be more comfortable plus the wearer wouldn't end up with carbon fibres embedded in them if they got shot. Or chainsawed. Edit: agree, still v satisfying to watch the ballgown fully tested
Ballistic helmets are made this way. Layers of kevlar epoxied together. Just needs to be a bit thicker. I don't remember for sure but I believe most kevlar helmets are at least 16 layers.
I used to work in the arms trade building UAVs. Kevlar in laminates is used primarily for an anti-tare material, basicly a material to hold together carbons so things don't work their way through. Kevlar for "bulletproofing" is usually a different weave of higher quality Arimid fibers, in a tighter weave. ANY filler/stiffening materials (i.e. epoxy) actully reduces the efficiency of the weave. As has been mentioned, Kevlar is a soft armor ment to "catch" the bullet by slowing round as it pushes through the armor, stretching the weave. Which is why the epoxy is reducing the efficiency of the Kevlar, its not allowing the weave to stretch.
I don't mean to dispute your credentials, but as others have pointed out most ballistic helmets use multiple layers of epoxied Kevlar. When hit they deform, absorbing the impact - which is why they're also fairly large and have very thick padding on the inside, so the dent doesn't get transferred into the users skull. That said they're typically ~1/4" thick, quite a bit more than the dress panels.
@@David-tl6lv This is a little off topic, but your description of the helmets reminds me of Snell-approved motorcycle helmets. Of course, slamming into pavement is not the same as getting hit by a bullet. I don't know what the hard shell is made of, but they do share the padding on the inside, but it may be even thicker. The makers of the ones used to have said that if the helmet ever gets dropped onto a hard surface, it should go back to the mfr for x-ray examination. So that suggests that the shell deforms permanently in some way (de-laminates?) in a design to absorb energy.
@@David-tl6lv with the correct epoxies, in thick substrates, yes that is correct. In part the epoxies used are designed to "reflow" to an extent when heated by the friction of the round passing into it. The thicker piece allows for the projectile to hit and deform on the outer layer (sometimes a shell or coating) to increase surface area, which A) slows the round some and B) generates heat that softens the resin. Then there's the debate of of proprietary fibers, coatings, Yada Yada yada...(least that's how it was explained to me)
@@b43xoit to prevent things from tearing the structure. In the case of what I did, preventing embedded hardware and hard points from ripping through the carbon under stress. Carbon (and to a lesser extent fiberglass) tends to shatter when shockloads are applied or if a crack forms. Kevlar has a "softer" failure mode in which the resin will separate from the weave to an extent and can be used to hold things together even after it has failed. To my knowledge it is due to the permeability of the fibers which can be seen when you post cure cut the materials. Asuming you don't get the materials too hot and alter the resins...Carbon tends to cut fairly clean, fiberglass tends to have some fraying, Kevlar is a mess. Those frayed fibers being ones that were not rigidized by absorbing resins into the fiber.
Xyla, for a first time shooter, I cannot express how proud of you I am. You showed more firearm discipline than people that have handled firearms for years. Great muzzle discipline, Great trigger discipline, all around great job. Thank you for being you and willing to learn new things and how to do those things with excellence!!!!
@@COIcultist I think some people are also just naturals at trigger discipline, for example me as a Canadien has never held a firearm, but even so when holding anything even vaguely gun shaped like an electric drill or a nail-gun or a desoldering-gun or a glue-gun I always make sure to keep my finger off the trigger. I did it with Nerf guns and their Buzz Bee cousins when I was a wee little boy dodging Nerf-fire from my bro Edit: Heck, I just realized I do it with my hair dryer too XD
@@Avetho Totally different discipline but I nearly if not ripped my arm off, I was close to mutilating it badly with a drill. I was drilling through some 1/2" steel plate. I was using a drill with a steady handle for my left hand, but the grip and trigger for the right hand was a "D" handle at the back of the drill on the centreline of the drill. The drill bit locked in the steel plate and started to revolve the drill. I had applied the trigger lock and my hand and arm started to twist around , locked within the "D" shape. Fortunately some part of my hand contacted the trigger and the drill stopped. That is one of my closest to a stupid accident moments.
The addition of the resin completely changes how effective Kevlar is at stopping bullets. Kevlar's ability to stop bullets is how much it can deform on impact without allowing the projectile to pass through. The addition of the resin to the Kevlar reduces it's effectiveness as a bullet stopping material. Just sayin'. Good stuff. God bless and stay well.
I guess that's why they use the kevlar WITHOUT a resin matrix for helmets... because it works better that way. Right? If you don't know something, it's possible not to voice an uneducated opinion.
It has more to do with the fact that kevlar has exceedingly high tensile strength, but yes the so called bullet proof aspect requires the weave to be able to deform, as you said. If this were not the case fiberglass would work just as well, and it won't. And I know someone that was shot while wearing a police vest at fairly close range with a medium energy weapon (a lot more than a 22, but not remotely a 44 mag) and his report to me was that it was a bit like being hit very hard with a hammer. It still does a good bit of damage, just not the lethal kind, which is always good.
Epoxy is a *plastic* and by nature is somewhat flexible, absorbing, and well, plastic, in nature. You want some interlocking of the fibers and layers within some kind of matrix. Maybe epoxy isn't the most ideal though. Perhaps silicone rubber would be better. Interestingly, nylon coated with silicone has higher tensile strength than its pure nylon counterpart, because it provides some stabilizing matrix for the nylon fibers, but a highly flexible one that allows the nylon to stretch and deform under load/tension.
3:00 The fact you went through firearms safety just stood out waaaaaaaay more than you maintaining muzzle discipline. Video starts you say "We have to learn how to shoot guns", get some instruction and it becomes "We are now comfortable with the WEAPON" And yes! MANY MANY MANY KUDOS!!! Not only to Officer Greg for teaching, but for you being a RECEPTIVE STUDENT!!!
You are totally Taoflederfolk. You came with a well thought out variety of samples to test, put them through progressive loading and you even brought your own creepy mannequin! It was also nice to see Jeff as more than a disembodied voice and hand.
Great video, Xyla! Looks like you're a natural shot! I'd like to offer a theory on your results: In most cases, Kevlar is used as a soft armor. Part of its bullet catching ability comes from being able to flex when the round hits it. When you covered it in epoxy and carbon fiber, you took away that flexibility.
Yes I believe kevlar armor slows and "catches" the bullet. It's the difference between doing a superhero landing on one knee and vs two feet. A superhero landing would destroy your hip.
I was about to post the same thing. It would be interesting to see how well an alternating hard carbon fiber/soft kevlar 'sandwich' would work, with the innermost carbon fiber shell being much thicker to act as a backstop. (To make the whole thing at once, I would use plastic film between the layers to prevent resin from soaking into the kevlar.)
@@static2430 I think he had something with the idea of using plastic. They make plasticized resin. It's popular for 3D printing miniatures, makes it so the pointy bits don't pop off so easy.
Great choice going to Taofledermaus, They really know weapons, and most importantly how to safely handle and discharge them. Make sure you come back to them anytime you want ballistic collaboration.
I hope somebody somewhere recognizes that young people who had never been exposed to firearms were exposed in a Safeway and they were able to enjoy their time and learn and do it in such a wonderful place with an fantastic instructor. That's how you teach weapons handling and that's how people should learn how to handle a weapon and understand that they are not the weapons of mass destruction that the media will portray. I'm very happy that this young lady made this dress and while it may not have been bulletproof she got to learn something about a work I'm thinking about a world that she was not familiar with, an officer Greg quite possibly was the best person to show her
I absolutely agree! My politics and interests would make most people assume I've never fired a gun in my life, but I'm actually a good shot, and I very much believe in safety! It always makes me sad to see people going around with zero understanding of what they're doing, even if it's just a Nerf gun. But when I try to tell a lot of my peers, they get uncomfortable like I'm some sort of fanatic gun psycho or something. I wish more people my age had the ability to stop and consider world views apart from their own. I think a lot of us are scared of what we don't understand, and that's shameful, honestly.
I've been watching TAOFLEDERMAUS and his crew for years and years. He has never shown his face and we finally get see the legend himself on Xyla's channel. Perfect collaboration!
Jeff has been in quite a few of his own vids. I’ve turned the camera on him more than a few times. I’ve done two behind the scenes videos that feature him heavily.
"Brittle" tends to be hard and hard stops & shatters rounds. Level 4 (rifle stopping armor plates) are a mix of ceramic & 'other things'. Soft kevlar catches slow-moving, non-pointed things.
Usually, NIJ Level IV plates are ceramic first, followed by an NIJ Level III AR500 or AR550 steel armor plate. The ceramic is there to be a hard, brittle layer that causes a lot of energy dump from the initial impact, causing the ceramic to shatter, followed by the steel to stop and spall anything that continues on. For soft body armor, such as NIJ Level IIIA kevlar (or whatever modern equivalent they're using today, such as another aramid composite, that we just generically refer to as kevlar), it'll stop pretty much any pistol round, up to .44 Magnum, though it falls apart against rifle rounds, so your "slow-moving" comment is relatively accurate - general rule is, speed defeats armor. See, the way kevlar stops a bullet is due to the tremendous drag it creates on penetrating objects when the fibers are ruptured and split, they just create so much surface area against the projectiles that they dump all their energy in trying to get past those fiber endings. Think of the end of a piece of thread spreading out into all the tiny fibers that make it up, then multiply that by a zillion, and it's all the surface area of those tiny fibers that creates drag that stops the projectiles (and any fragments that may result from the impact). If a projectile is going much faster, though, then it'll spend less time in contact with that surface area, and thus dump less energy into it, consequently proceeding through.
I could have cried laughing when at 12.16 she said "It's not resistive, it's like I could stick my finger through that." I'm thinking, "has this girl watched much filming with Greg in it?"
The thing I can’t get over is how incredibly the epoxy held up - I fully expected more delamination than you found on most of the shots. Fascinating! Love it!
1) Excellent testing and thoughts. Yes, people do and will help others. 2) There is a "River Tam" from "Firefly": vibe there. 3) Please stay in practice with gun safety. Practice re-enforces muscle memory and keeps one up to snuff. 4) Keep doing what you are doing.
I'm tickled you actually shot the carbon fiber corset. Great firearm discipline! Y'all set a shining example of a first timer learning how to treat a gun with safety and respect.
Given the events of this past week, I appreciated how seriously you presented the safety training, and how you always handled those weapons with care. ❤️
Hard carbon fiber shell with soft kevlar behind it: most "bulletproof" vests are just layers and layers of kevlar fabric and it catches the bullet by dispersing the force across the surface. With the addition of the hard shell it would decelerate and break up the round before hitting the soft kelvar, giving it a better chance to catch it. Also, it's great to see you working with a RUclips gun channel: RUclips is absolutely horrible when it comes to supporting gun related content.
I think the other way around would be better. Soft Kevlar would catch and dissipate the energy, where the hard carbon fiber shell underneath would deflect the shrapnel that has way less energy. And given that carbon fiber won't shatter, it wouldn't explode into the person.
The hard layer would also help against knives and would probably even dissipate the impact of a baseball bat, for example. Think of an athletes chest protector or a baseball helmet (for the impact, not the knives lol)
@@mxcherryblue5943 Sorry, but no, that is backwards. You want the bullet to strike the hard layer first. If you put the soft Kevlar in front then the hard surface behind it acts like a chopping block. Look at any actual composite armors: the soft layer is always towards the body.
@@kevinj9059 isn't the Kevlar the soft one? You a a soft one to obsorb the energy and the hard one to kept it in shape. Same with steel and ceramics, steel is softer than the ceramic that is harder(and fragile).
I am really glad you went with Taofledermaus. Those guys are great with safety and really enjoy exploring their curious nature. Also, they have collaborated with other channels like Peter Brown, so I knew they would enjoy working with you.
Most youtubers I've seen who are actually firearm focused are very good with safety. Taofledermaus definitely has a curious side too, and I have spent considerable time watching with glee all the things they've fired out of a shotgun.
@@reaganharder1480 They're certainly, uh, varied :p (but yeah they've also had some quite interesting and reasonably scientific content too, which I liked)
Also, lol the high-necked dress. You don't want cleavage when working with semiauto guns, as some of my well-endowed friends have learned from experience.
I used to work USPSA matches as a range officer. We had a few low-time lady shooters show up wearing scoop neck shirts or other cleavage exposing tops. One of them voluntarily applied duct tape across her shirt rather than go home to change. A couple learned the hard way, in spite of advice from other seasoned lady shooters.
Hahahaha! The instructor’s comment about the dance was hilarious. Xyla started her victory dance and my first thought was, “No! Don’t start dancing around… wait, she’s doing a great job of keeping her weapon pointed downrange. Nevermind. Good work!” And then he said exactly what I thought. LOL!
What a great collaboration! The testing was fun to watch. I love that you learned to safely use firearms from two really great guys. Taofladermouse and officer Greg are just great! This is one my favorite videos now.
100% of the time, no exceptions. That is the proper way to respect firearms. That and always to see if it is loaded even if someone tells you it is not
Leaving in OG's comment about keeping the barrel pointed downrange while doing your dance is important. Firearms are fun when enjoyed safely. Smiles all around during a collab with Taofledermaus and OG. Excellent!
Love watching bullet proof testing. It's been amazing experiencing the revolution in body armor from the early 2000's when I first enlisted and was issued a Vietnam era flak vest (just a soft kevlar fiber vest created to reduce injury from shell fragments, not actually stop bullets...) through the mid 2000's when we were issued Interceptor Body Amor (soft kevlar armor with plate inserts of hard armor). Many of the layer and material combinations you have in this video, along with other more exotic materials, have been tried and tested. Some worked great, some failed with certain specialized ammuntions, some were just no practical for soldiers to wear all day. "Bullet proof" is a fluid term after all... Just like all engineering challenges. I'd be curious to see how many layers of kevelar/carbon fiber could achieve bullet resistance while still getting the artistic qualities you are looking for in a piece of fashion. Moving on from here, it would be interesting what kinds molding and casting set you you might try out to make a legitimate, nearly bullet proof, super heroine gown of armor! That is if you decided to keep pursuing such a project! When cosplay armor meets real world testing! Liked and subscribed!
I think the sexiest thing in this video was when you properly said "discharged the magazine". Incorrect language with firearms drives me nuts. That you got it correct is SO awesome. Thank you.
This does call for a Mk II bullet proof ball gown, this time with thicker Kevlar and carbon fiber and a better fit so you actually fit it comfortably this time… who’s with me?
it would be interesting to see a thicker 50 percent kevlar that actually stops the bullet and see the result on front / back. :-) also... i think therefore school?
I think the epoxy is probably weakening the kevlar somewhat because kevlar is usually a soft armour so as cool as the carbon fibre looks I think A softer more padded kevlar ball gown would do a better job stopping bullets.
BIG props to TAOFLEDERMAUS for putting the emphasis on safety first. Not throwing shade at anyone in particular, but some guntubers seem too quick to put a big bore firearm in a complete novice's hand. Best part is when you can see them or the camera man flinch when they get flagged.
I was super excited to see the video title and when I saw TAOFLEDERMAUS and Officer Gregg I freakin lost it!! That was such an awesome video and a great collaboration. I love learning about ballistics from their channel! Hope to see more from you guys in the future!
That's probably the only way to legally shoot in CA is to do it with a commissioned LEO present. I'm willing to bet without Officer Greg present, TAOFLEDERMAUS YT videos would be illegal in CA. It would have been really entertaining if FPSRussia did a cameo with his 2A rights restored or he shot it with an arrow or crossbow bolt. He can possess and use those. And as always, have nice day.
Epoxying the Kevlar Is what made it ineffective. Kevlar's effectiveness comes from being able to move and flex with the projectile, absorbing its energy.
I just wanted to thank you for not being afraid to get outside your comfort zone and collaborate with gun content creators. There's a lot of overlap of people interested in engineering and people interested in guns. It's unfortunate that guns can be politically divisive because they're such great examples of engineering and materials science.
Taofledermaus! I frickin love those guys, that's really awesome that you got to shoot with them. I can't think of anyone better to teach you gun safety. He's a frickin legend.
I'm also a huge fan of TFM and Officer Greg (R.I.P Danny) and have never see the man behind the camera till I watched this. I love watching your videos and content you make Xyla keep up the awesome work with putting out this awesome content.
Taofledermaus has been a first click RUclipsr for years. Good stuff on your channel too. I subscribed. I hope you will team up with Jeff & The OG again soon. God rest Danny, gone too soon. Much respect from Kansas.
I feel like a real insider since I got to see the behind the scenes videos already since I've been subbed for years now to Taofledermaus and the guys Officer "OG" Greg and Danny (RIP Danny you died pretty, as everyone should). You guys learned how to shoot well very quickly. As someone who's done quite a bit of target shooting and some competitive shooting I was impressed by your performance.
I have been waiting for this ever since I saw a snippet on OG’s show. You did well on the range, especially if that was your first time. 👍👍👍 Any friend of Taofledermaus and OG is a friend of mine. I finally got to see Jeff and put a face to the voice. You look like you have done some other cool things on your channel as well. Subscribed.
Glad you linked up with Taofledermaus for this. Having people with experience there with you was a good idea. Don't make this a one time collaboration.
Commercially available Kevlar armor is usually much thicker than that, like 20 layers at least. Whether or not 6 puny layers of Kevlar could stop a ballistic projectile was never a question awesome collab
That first shot reminds me of how they market to people who are on a low-gluten diet for trend reasons. It's not gluten-free, it's "gluten-friendly" It's not bullet-proof, it's "bullet-friendly"
I have to say, as a person who has to be gluten free, doing this as an expensive hobby is frightening. Since trends amp up the market, using this reasoning we probably have GF pizza much faster, I have to like it.
@@helpabrothawithasubisaiah5316 I had a girlfriend who was gluten intolerant right up until something sounded good that contained gluten. Then it was fine. She kind of reminded me of a girl I knew once who was allergic to cigarette smoke, but she luckily got over her allergy when she picked up a smoking habit.
That's neat that you were able to contact Taoflegermaus and do this proper. I love the fact you sought proper training before shooting. I had not seen your vids before but will look forward to checking them out.
Taofledermaus was probably the best collab you could've picked. They shoot a lot of wild stuff but they're always very technical about it, rather than the other gun youtubers that do silly stuff like "How much mayonnaise does it take to stop a 50cal?"
@@ETC_Rohaly_USCG That was more of a side effect, for the lols. The actual thing they were doing was characterising the relationship between supply pressure vs vacuum pressure vs velocity, and velocity over time for a baseball in supersonic-sonic region
@@mduckernz Hello fellow Matt. I was just mentioning it to be silly, and promote another channel, but then you had to go and be all scientific and such… lol! Comments for the Algorithm Pineapple Horseshoe Umbrella
Yes but in conjunction with the tensile strength and the weave pattern. All the weaves being aligned parallel to one another is very detrimental to the properties of bulletproof textiles.
@@nudl3Zz For kevlar its bad since it needs to "catch" the bullet, like you alluded to in your original comment. Even still the slabs of micarta would have likely benefited from each layer being placed at 45 degree angles. Overall it was a great experiment though.
If you wanted to make this bulletproof, use a fiberglass welding mat and make it WAY thicker. The channel ZNA Productions made an armor plate this way but it could totally be made into a dress shape
I was thinking same as others, think epoxy on Kevlar makes it way less effective, plus I believe layers should alternate direction or rotation threads run in, most bullet proof vests have many layers and are flexible plus include added layers off other material to absorb energy like thick cotton at back. I believe few layers added CF added at certain intervals would really add to strength, interesting video. Great to see you learn to shoot, avid long distance shooter(been to Campy Perry Nationals) myself; love to see people learn to shoot safely. Great video and kudos to the coaches! BTW, Nice shooting! Key is sight picture breath and trigger pull, you did very well! That 12 gauge was eye opener, they have solid kick, you did well.
This is like the first video I've seen of a non-gun youtuber going to a gun-range and actually doing the good in terms of safety. Always kept the barrel down range, always checked everyone was ready before firing, and I'm really impressed how you took your finger off the trigger after every shot, then waited, then placed it back, then fired. Stellar job done. And you can now technically say you have the ability to manufacture bullet proof materials
This is absolutely amazing Xyla! Love the colab with Jeff, I've been subscribed to his channel for probably ten years and this is a perfect fit. It's really cool to see another side of OG, he seems like such a natural trainer and you did fantastic! Move to LA keeps on paying off!!!
I think having the Kevlar made rigid with the resin reduces it’s effectiveness by making it more brittle. In Kevlar bulletproof vests it is loose and can move and give more.
I would totally be down for some videos about actually making a bullet-proof evening gown. As other commenters have mentioned, it's probably best to have an outer layer of rigid material with an inner lining of many layers of quilted HDPE fabrics instead of locking the flexibility and elasticity of the kevlar with resin. It would also be interesting to see you find some of the ceramic panels that are used in bullet-proof vests and find a way to shingle them like scales. There's actually an extent product called Dragon Skin that does this with alumina ceramic discs with overlapping edges to help with force dissipation over multiple plates to reduce and spread impact forces to prevent bruising and other internal injuries. You could sew them into little flat pouches and then stitch them all together like a combat-ready quilt.
I think the way the test panels were placed made a big difference. The ones that were just propped up against the ballistic jelly were able to absorb a lot more energy as kinetic energy. That's why they generally fared better than the ones attached to the foam Xyla double
11:11 My problem with the last couple tests is that the panel wasn't held in placed, unlike the previous tests. A bunch of the bullets energy was dissipated flipping the panel
TAOFLEDERMAUS sent me here and I have to say this was a fun video. You guys did great on the range. I'd say your panels are bullet resistant at least for low power rounds. Having watched a lot of Jeff's channel and they're similar experiments it's all just trial and error. But you're off to a great start and no better channel to team up with than TFM if you wanted to try it some more. Great video! :)
If I was asked before I saw the video I would have guessed the billet would go right through. The Kevlar needed to be loose to absorb the energy. Making it rigid with epoxy is the problem. About time you show your face Jeff.
@@OGsDangerShow Yeah I'm subbed to you OG, seen all your videos, my comment would make sense on your video too, It's funny, we all wanted to see what Jeff looked like for years then when we did see him it was like "ok, you can go back behind the camera now" lol
Jeff, Greg are great people. (On Taofledermaus) for those that look, it isn't just entertainment, Jeff does a lot of high-speed camera work that really helps the firearms community, we can see what the projectiles do and along with the wads. we see ballistically what is going on. this was a great video and looked like it was a lot of fun. -Dave
@@xylafoxlin I have an all metal Spanish surplus 9mm pistol for the express purpose of teaching women to shoot (higher mass/lower recoil). I always start them on a small, non intimidating .22 single action, just like they did for you. I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@@stevekreitler9349 My wife's first besides a 22 was a full size XDM 9MM. This is what my niece is learning on as well. We just picked up a Hellcat for my wife today 😁.
Who else got weirded out seeing Jeff's face while hearing his voice?🤣 I've watched his channel since he created it, and I can't recall seeing his face more than once lol, he's always been behind the camera. As to the dress, it's a pretty cool result. It may not have done what was intended, but it gives a baseline on what to improve. I'd say it needs a stronger and thicker Kevlar layer inside as backing, sometimes catching the bullet is a lot easier than stopping the bullet, if weight and thickness (and cost) is a concern.
Love Taofledermaus great choice to Collab with them as they are knowledgeable and do testing with guns often. Glad you're learning to shoot as well. It can be fun and safe if you learn and follow even basic weapon safety... Cool that the Carbon/Kevlar potentially did better than Kevlar alone.
Make a set of light weight plates for a plate carrier! MORE BULLET PROOF STUFF! I think the carbon fiber acts similar to ceramic armor. That an interesting concept. 🤔 maybe try several layers of carbon fiber before a material like Kevlar. Maybe even toss some titanium into the mix.
Kevlar can't offer the same protection as ceramic plate on its own. Kevlar catches a bullet and slows it down and eats the energy like a seat belt slows a passenger down. The ceramic plate will deflect and spread the energy across the plate.
high grade steel is a lot stronger than titanium, that is why its used to stop the bullet and kevlar to catch it. though I heard that titanium is really good at work hardening, so maybe some alloys can be used as light weight bulletproff plates ? but then again it can become brittle and actually not be very good at stopping bullets. so I don't know. maybe the best idea is ceramic, but what would be more doable for her to work with ?
Great vid, definitely appreciated the logical way you went about trying to definitively answer "Is this bulletproof?" as well as the fact you didn't just shoot the dress once, say "Nope, not bulletproof" and called it a wrap (which you certainly could have done and it would've been 100% valid.)
Awesome video! It looks like you all had a lot of fun! Plus this might be the most I’ve seen Jeff from taofledermaus in front of the camera, not behind it!
One thing you mentioned in here might be contributing to the kevlar being less effective. Kevlar vests are flexible because it's the elasticity that also helps arrest the energy of a round. Pouring resin into the kevlar made it more brittle which could have hurt this. It's why sharp bladed items can go through kevlar vests easier than bullets. For rigid protection ceramic plates (or their like) are used. I just wonder if keeping the kevlar flexible in your thinner sheets might not have done better as a whole.
So I've been studying carbon fiber and kevlar fabrication for almost two years now because I'm starting a guitar company using these materials. From what I can tell based on the video, it didn't look like you pulled a vacuum on those panels when you laid them up with the epoxy. If you tried that it might be possible for a thinner panel to also stop the bullet. These fabrics are meant to have a vacuum drawn on them to evenly disperse the resin, and you put a bleeder/breather fabric inside the vacuum bag to wick up the excess. Too much resin is just as bad as not having enough, it leads to structural issues.
Yea. To get the most strength by both volume and weight you want to have as little epoxy as you can get away with while still having perfect wetting. Way back I got a briefer on how to make masts for windsurfing. While I don't remember much about the dimensions or profiles I do remember that they had an external mold for the masts so the glass fiber, carbon fiber or kevlar weave went inside with the epoxy and then they pumped up a tube placed in the middle using a hydraulic fluid to press as much epoxy as possible out of the laminate. The higher the glass, carbon or kevlar weight by volume was the better. I think I remember them talking about some thing like 80 or even 95 percent glass in a finished mast. By the way when talking about all the different materials they kept just simplifying it to "glass" a lot of the time when talking about the epoxy content. The entire thing was then put into an oven and cooked to perfection. Once it was done the inner tube was deflated, the mold opened and there you had a new mast. They made masts for sail yachts that were much much larger using much the same technique and it was a pretty impressive process. Like I said it was a long time ago, probably at least forty years which is a long time for me, so I'm not sure about the percentages. Just take away that to much epoxy is a bad thing.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I've actually never heard of using hydraulics to press out the excess resin but that's really interesting, and makes a lot of sense for projects that big, thanks for sharing your experience!
I assume, during the test with the 22, that the CF is operating the same way a glass screen cover does on a cell phone. It cracks but also absorbs most of the energy so that whatever is under it doesn't crack. Also, I'm a sucker for a fun purple wig and will probably head to Amazon next (via your affiliate link, of course).
What a great collaboration, Taoflermaus is one of my favorite channels, they recently lost a team member to cancer. R.I.P Danny, I donated blood in your honor.
#Taofledercrew
I JUST found out. STINKS!!
I donated as well.
😭😭😭😭😭
I saw Danny's last video a few days ago. I'll miss him. He was such a great guy, I always enjoyed seeing him on the channel.
About as effective as an epoxied bungie cord. The resin locked up the Kevlar, so it couldn't move and mitigate the energy. Better to quilt six or more layers of Kevlar, then attach it the carbon fiber and resin outer shell. I'll make a matching tuxedo. I'll glad you found someone who could teach you gun safety, and you had a good time.
I just about to comment that
@@FUDKOPOP me too 😚
Agreed…. The fibers were locked up as far as the corset is concerned. As we saw with the panels… they were in fact more capable of stopping a round just because of how thick they were.
What he said
Aramid could be better than kevlar when made in this fashion. But you will need a lot more because of how thin the sheets are.
Edit:
or you could epoxie the outside edges to keep it together while retaining the flexibility.
Kevlar is "bulletproof" because it is a fabric, it acts almost like a net and physically catches the projectile. "Fun fact" Silk was used for the first bulletproof vest, it behaved very similar to modern kevlar
1:42 Officer Gregg is a good guy to teach you firearms safety.
ALWAYS get training, training is IMPORTANT to firearms safety. (as certain recent news stories will prove out... but no comment on those)
TFM is pretty darn good when it comes to videography, and he's a good guy that films weird stuff!
in Canada Firearm training is a 3 day course, and its mandatory.
@@KrazyMitchAdventures if every kid in Canada is required to take a firearms safety course, then maybe I should stop making fun of Canadians... quite as much
@@KrazyMitchAdventures And I thought US was known for guns?
@@TheStraycat74 I don't think it is everyone, just those buying a gun. The USA used to teach gun safety in schools, and we should now.
@@KrazyMitchAdventures Yeah I'm a staunch 2A supporter, but I think firearms safety should be a prerequisite for ownership.
The standout in this video is your muzzle discipline, even after shooting the shotgun, when you were obviously surprised by the recoil. Officer Greg's notice of this, highlights his training effectiveness, and your tall spikey learning curve. Good job shooting, too! It looks like a hobby you have some natural potential to be really good at. I'd be interested in seeing you try some long range target shooting. I think you might be a quick study at picking up the nuances of computing the intricacies involved in long range accuracy.
I wonder if epoxying the kevlar actually made it less effective at bullet resistance?
Isn't the way kevlar works predicated on its ability to move? Like elasticity crossed with non Newtonian fluid dynamics?
But epoxying it and not allowing the kelvar to deform and spread out the impulse of the impact, wouldn't it have restricted its efficacy?
I'm guessing the sandwiched layers of kevlar and carbon fiber will fair much better. Sort of like how laminated cooking vessels work with alternating layers of very conductive vs high capacity/energy density to spread it more evenly between the source of the energy and the other side.
That's certainly the case. The flexibility of the Kevlar is a key part of its bullet resistance.
Hah I was coming here to suggest the same thing. I mean I know very little about kevlar/bullets/etc, but my understanding of how kevlar works is the fabric bunches up and catches the bullet, and maybe the epoxy isn't letting it do its job in that sense. Also this method of bunching up and catching the bullet only works on bullets because they're spinning through the air like a football, it's much less likely to work on a random piece of shrapnel, or something like armour-piercing rounds, which are coated in teflon, so the kevlar can't bunch together and absorb the impact.
This was still a very satisfying video to watch though, so thanks for doing this Xyla!
I assumed the same thing, kevlar chainsaw pants are padded with loose woven kevlar fibres that wrap round the moving chain & stop it.
A bullet proof ballgown would probably work better designed along the same lines, a flexible padded construction beneath - it be more comfortable plus the wearer wouldn't end up with carbon fibres embedded in them if they got shot. Or chainsawed.
Edit: agree, still v satisfying to watch the ballgown fully tested
@@DavyHulme Yeah, I totally hate getting shot and then chainsawed
Ballistic helmets are made this way. Layers of kevlar epoxied together. Just needs to be a bit thicker. I don't remember for sure but I believe most kevlar helmets are at least 16 layers.
I used to work in the arms trade building UAVs. Kevlar in laminates is used primarily for an anti-tare material, basicly a material to hold together carbons so things don't work their way through.
Kevlar for "bulletproofing" is usually a different weave of higher quality Arimid fibers, in a tighter weave. ANY filler/stiffening materials (i.e. epoxy) actully reduces the efficiency of the weave. As has been mentioned, Kevlar is a soft armor ment to "catch" the bullet by slowing round as it pushes through the armor, stretching the weave. Which is why the epoxy is reducing the efficiency of the Kevlar, its not allowing the weave to stretch.
Anti-tear?
I don't mean to dispute your credentials, but as others have pointed out most ballistic helmets use multiple layers of epoxied Kevlar. When hit they deform, absorbing the impact - which is why they're also fairly large and have very thick padding on the inside, so the dent doesn't get transferred into the users skull. That said they're typically ~1/4" thick, quite a bit more than the dress panels.
@@David-tl6lv This is a little off topic, but your description of the helmets reminds me of Snell-approved motorcycle helmets. Of course, slamming into pavement is not the same as getting hit by a bullet. I don't know what the hard shell is made of, but they do share the padding on the inside, but it may be even thicker. The makers of the ones used to have said that if the helmet ever gets dropped onto a hard surface, it should go back to the mfr for x-ray examination. So that suggests that the shell deforms permanently in some way (de-laminates?) in a design to absorb energy.
@@David-tl6lv with the correct epoxies, in thick substrates, yes that is correct. In part the epoxies used are designed to "reflow" to an extent when heated by the friction of the round passing into it. The thicker piece allows for the projectile to hit and deform on the outer layer (sometimes a shell or coating) to increase surface area, which A) slows the round some and B) generates heat that softens the resin. Then there's the debate of of proprietary fibers, coatings, Yada Yada yada...(least that's how it was explained to me)
@@b43xoit to prevent things from tearing the structure. In the case of what I did, preventing embedded hardware and hard points from ripping through the carbon under stress. Carbon (and to a lesser extent fiberglass) tends to shatter when shockloads are applied or if a crack forms.
Kevlar has a "softer" failure mode in which the resin will separate from the weave to an extent and can be used to hold things together even after it has failed. To my knowledge it is due to the permeability of the fibers which can be seen when you post cure cut the materials. Asuming you don't get the materials too hot and alter the resins...Carbon tends to cut fairly clean, fiberglass tends to have some fraying, Kevlar is a mess. Those frayed fibers being ones that were not rigidized by absorbing resins into the fiber.
Xyla, for a first time shooter, I cannot express how proud of you I am. You showed more firearm discipline than people that have handled firearms for years. Great muzzle discipline, Great trigger discipline, all around great job. Thank you for being you and willing to learn new things and how to do those things with excellence!!!!
I even noticed that she removed her finger from the trigger when not firing. Great job!
Pretty sure that's not her first time shooting but yes, great discipline is extremely important, sadly that needs to be restated all the time
@@alex0589 Xyla says on the OG's show video that she shot a bit as a kid, but from the film I saw from OG, they both took instruction well.
@@COIcultist I think some people are also just naturals at trigger discipline, for example me as a Canadien has never held a firearm, but even so when holding anything even vaguely gun shaped like an electric drill or a nail-gun or a desoldering-gun or a glue-gun I always make sure to keep my finger off the trigger. I did it with Nerf guns and their Buzz Bee cousins when I was a wee little boy dodging Nerf-fire from my bro
Edit: Heck, I just realized I do it with my hair dryer too XD
@@Avetho Totally different discipline but I nearly if not ripped my arm off, I was close to mutilating it badly with a drill. I was drilling through some 1/2" steel plate. I was using a drill with a steady handle for my left hand, but the grip and trigger for the right hand was a "D" handle at the back of the drill on the centreline of the drill. The drill bit locked in the steel plate and started to revolve the drill. I had applied the trigger lock and my hand and arm started to twist around , locked within the "D" shape. Fortunately some part of my hand contacted the trigger and the drill stopped. That is one of my closest to a stupid accident moments.
The addition of the resin completely changes how effective Kevlar is at stopping bullets. Kevlar's ability to stop bullets is how much it can deform on impact without allowing the projectile to pass through. The addition of the resin to the Kevlar reduces it's effectiveness as a bullet stopping material. Just sayin'. Good stuff. God bless and stay well.
I guess that's why they use the kevlar WITHOUT a resin matrix for helmets... because it works better that way. Right?
If you don't know something, it's possible not to voice an uneducated opinion.
It has more to do with the fact that kevlar has exceedingly high tensile strength, but yes the so called bullet proof aspect requires the weave to be able to deform, as you said. If this were not the case fiberglass would work just as well, and it won't.
And I know someone that was shot while wearing a police vest at fairly close range with a medium energy weapon (a lot more than a 22, but not remotely a 44 mag) and his report to me was that it was a bit like being hit very hard with a hammer. It still does a good bit of damage, just not the lethal kind, which is always good.
@@horvathbenedek3596 hahaha
Epoxy is a *plastic* and by nature is somewhat flexible, absorbing, and well, plastic, in nature. You want some interlocking of the fibers and layers within some kind of matrix. Maybe epoxy isn't the most ideal though. Perhaps silicone rubber would be better. Interestingly, nylon coated with silicone has higher tensile strength than its pure nylon counterpart, because it provides some stabilizing matrix for the nylon fibers, but a highly flexible one that allows the nylon to stretch and deform under load/tension.
also it has booba to pass through, she wouldve lived lmao just pierced the booba enough
3:00 The fact you went through firearms safety just stood out waaaaaaaay more than you maintaining muzzle discipline. Video starts you say "We have to learn how to shoot guns", get some instruction and it becomes "We are now comfortable with the WEAPON"
And yes! MANY MANY MANY KUDOS!!! Not only to Officer Greg for teaching, but for you being a RECEPTIVE STUDENT!!!
You are totally Taoflederfolk. You came with a well thought out variety of samples to test, put them through progressive loading and you even brought your own creepy mannequin!
It was also nice to see Jeff as more than a disembodied voice and hand.
She was out with OG for a day and already wanted to stick her finger in something.
@@t.r.4496 He has that effect on people.
@@vicroc4 Even the Turkish coast guard?
It was so strange to see Jeff's voice coming from a human form.
Progressive loading? I thought Tao and Greg hated anything progressive.
Great video, Xyla! Looks like you're a natural shot! I'd like to offer a theory on your results:
In most cases, Kevlar is used as a soft armor. Part of its bullet catching ability comes from being able to flex when the round hits it. When you covered it in epoxy and carbon fiber, you took away that flexibility.
Yes I believe kevlar armor slows and "catches" the bullet. It's the difference between doing a superhero landing on one knee and vs two feet. A superhero landing would destroy your hip.
Makes is terrible for stab resistance. :-)
I was about to post the same thing. It would be interesting to see how well an alternating hard carbon fiber/soft kevlar 'sandwich' would work, with the innermost carbon fiber shell being much thicker to act as a backstop. (To make the whole thing at once, I would use plastic film between the layers to prevent resin from soaking into the kevlar.)
@@KeithOlson even layering the kevlar without the epoxy, being sandwiched between hard layers would still negate its abilities.
@@static2430 I think he had something with the idea of using plastic. They make plasticized resin. It's popular for 3D printing miniatures, makes it so the pointy bits don't pop off so easy.
Great choice going to Taofledermaus, They really know weapons, and most importantly how to safely handle and discharge them. Make sure you come back to them anytime you want ballistic collaboration.
I like the way you call Taofledermaus "they" and "them" - It reflects the fact that he is actually an INSTITUTION, and more than just one man...
I hope somebody somewhere recognizes that young people who had never been exposed to firearms were exposed in a Safeway and they were able to enjoy their time and learn and do it in such a wonderful place with an fantastic instructor. That's how you teach weapons handling and that's how people should learn how to handle a weapon and understand that they are not the weapons of mass destruction that the media will portray. I'm very happy that this young lady made this dress and while it may not have been bulletproof she got to learn something about a work I'm thinking about a world that she was not familiar with, an officer Greg quite possibly was the best person to show her
I absolutely agree! My politics and interests would make most people assume I've never fired a gun in my life, but I'm actually a good shot, and I very much believe in safety! It always makes me sad to see people going around with zero understanding of what they're doing, even if it's just a Nerf gun. But when I try to tell a lot of my peers, they get uncomfortable like I'm some sort of fanatic gun psycho or something. I wish more people my age had the ability to stop and consider world views apart from their own. I think a lot of us are scared of what we don't understand, and that's shameful, honestly.
I hope to never be exposed to firearms in a Safeway!
@@CGamesPlay Yeah that'd probably end poorly lol
I've been watching TAOFLEDERMAUS and his crew for years and years. He has never shown his face and we finally get see the legend himself on Xyla's channel. Perfect collaboration!
Jeff has been in quite a few of his own vids. I’ve turned the camera on him more than a few times. I’ve done two behind the scenes videos that feature him heavily.
"Brittle" tends to be hard and hard stops & shatters rounds.
Level 4 (rifle stopping armor plates) are a mix of ceramic & 'other things'.
Soft kevlar catches slow-moving, non-pointed things.
Usually, NIJ Level IV plates are ceramic first, followed by an NIJ Level III AR500 or AR550 steel armor plate. The ceramic is there to be a hard, brittle layer that causes a lot of energy dump from the initial impact, causing the ceramic to shatter, followed by the steel to stop and spall anything that continues on. For soft body armor, such as NIJ Level IIIA kevlar (or whatever modern equivalent they're using today, such as another aramid composite, that we just generically refer to as kevlar), it'll stop pretty much any pistol round, up to .44 Magnum, though it falls apart against rifle rounds, so your "slow-moving" comment is relatively accurate - general rule is, speed defeats armor. See, the way kevlar stops a bullet is due to the tremendous drag it creates on penetrating objects when the fibers are ruptured and split, they just create so much surface area against the projectiles that they dump all their energy in trying to get past those fiber endings. Think of the end of a piece of thread spreading out into all the tiny fibers that make it up, then multiply that by a zillion, and it's all the surface area of those tiny fibers that creates drag that stops the projectiles (and any fragments that may result from the impact). If a projectile is going much faster, though, then it'll spend less time in contact with that surface area, and thus dump less energy into it, consequently proceeding through.
IT'S OG!! This is a collab I never even thought about, let alone its feasibility! Wish Danny could've been there for this too. We miss you Danny!
Danke me in Herr. We all miss Danny.
I could have cried laughing when at 12.16 she said "It's not resistive, it's like I could stick my finger through that." I'm thinking, "has this girl watched much filming with Greg in it?"
We miss you Danny. Rest in Peace.
The thing I can’t get over is how incredibly the epoxy held up - I fully expected more delamination than you found on most of the shots.
Fascinating! Love it!
Watch a bulllet proof vest getting hit in slo motion. The epoxy prevents flexing in the fibers, witch is what dissipates energy.
@Miles Doyle nobody cares about your ponzi scheme fraud.
@Miles Doyle Stay on topic.
Your cooperation with Jeff is what made me aware of your channel. I love your fun approach to engineering projects!
1) Excellent testing and thoughts. Yes, people do and will help others.
2) There is a "River Tam" from "Firefly": vibe there.
3) Please stay in practice with gun safety. Practice re-enforces muscle memory and keeps one up to snuff.
4) Keep doing what you are doing.
I'm tickled you actually shot the carbon fiber corset. Great firearm discipline! Y'all set a shining example of a first timer learning how to treat a gun with safety and respect.
Given the events of this past week, I appreciated how seriously you presented the safety training, and how you always handled those weapons with care. ❤️
@Miles Doyle truth, love you brother in christ
what happened this week?
@@fernfractal the filming incident involving mr. Baldwin and the death of a movie camera woman.
@@fernfractal a complete and utter breakdown of all the necessary safety rules because movie stars are apparently above that sort of thing...
@@legbreaker2762 They are, it's not their job. The people providing the weapons screwed up.
Hard carbon fiber shell with soft kevlar behind it: most "bulletproof" vests are just layers and layers of kevlar fabric and it catches the bullet by dispersing the force across the surface. With the addition of the hard shell it would decelerate and break up the round before hitting the soft kelvar, giving it a better chance to catch it. Also, it's great to see you working with a RUclips gun channel: RUclips is absolutely horrible when it comes to supporting gun related content.
I think the other way around would be better. Soft Kevlar would catch and dissipate the energy, where the hard carbon fiber shell underneath would deflect the shrapnel that has way less energy. And given that carbon fiber won't shatter, it wouldn't explode into the person.
The hard layer would also help against knives and would probably even dissipate the impact of a baseball bat, for example. Think of an athletes chest protector or a baseball helmet (for the impact, not the knives lol)
@@mxcherryblue5943 Sorry, but no, that is backwards. You want the bullet to strike the hard layer first. If you put the soft Kevlar in front then the hard surface behind it acts like a chopping block. Look at any actual composite armors: the soft layer is always towards the body.
@@WhoTouchMyGun Sorry, nope. The hard shell is first. For example: ruclips.net/video/TO4hcq4QSvM/видео.html
@@kevinj9059 isn't the Kevlar the soft one? You a a soft one to obsorb the energy and the hard one to kept it in shape. Same with steel and ceramics, steel is softer than the ceramic that is harder(and fragile).
A CROSSOVER I NEVER EXPECTED BUT I LOVE SO MUCH
this is such a fun crossover! weirdest mix of people but very fun
I am really glad you went with Taofledermaus. Those guys are great with safety and really enjoy exploring their curious nature. Also, they have collaborated with other channels like Peter Brown, so I knew they would enjoy working with you.
Most youtubers I've seen who are actually firearm focused are very good with safety. Taofledermaus definitely has a curious side too, and I have spent considerable time watching with glee all the things they've fired out of a shotgun.
@@reaganharder1480 They're certainly, uh, varied :p
(but yeah they've also had some quite interesting and reasonably scientific content too, which I liked)
"Despite the victory dance, you always kept the muzzle pointed downrange."
Also, lol the high-necked dress. You don't want cleavage when working with semiauto guns, as some of my well-endowed friends have learned from experience.
She did amazingly well for an (almost) first timer. Very good shooter and both her and Joe were naturals at accuracy and safety.
I used to work USPSA matches as a range officer. We had a few low-time lady shooters show up wearing scoop neck shirts or other cleavage exposing tops. One of them voluntarily applied duct tape across her shirt rather than go home to change. A couple learned the hard way, in spite of advice from other seasoned lady shooters.
@@DeliveryMcGee Let me guess... hot potato? (cartridge ejection)
I know little of it but it seems that would indeed be rather distressing!
@@mduckernz happened to my aunt once, so yeah you don't want to give hot brass an excuse to jump down your shirt
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how damn cool Xyla is, wearing a flowy white dress and stompy boots and shooting a cowboy gun.
Flashbacks to Summer Glau in Firefly...
That's a movie I'd watch.
Jesus is the devil.
@Miles Doyle Sounds kinda judgmental, wouldn't trust anyone like that.
@@error.418 probably tortures and kills babies as part of it's unknowable plan...yeesh
Hahahaha! The instructor’s comment about the dance was hilarious. Xyla started her victory dance and my first thought was, “No! Don’t start dancing around… wait, she’s doing a great job of keeping her weapon pointed downrange. Nevermind. Good work!” And then he said exactly what I thought. LOL!
She was a natural. Better than most of the police officers I train.
What a great collaboration! The testing was fun to watch. I love that you learned to safely use firearms from two really great guys. Taofladermouse and officer Greg are just great! This is one my favorite videos now.
Xylophony seems charming and tough, does she have an intagram account?
Yeah but it’s Xyla Fauxlin
Integza !!!
@@xylafoxlin 😂😂
@@xylafoxlin 🙃i thought he meant the lady you were shooting at? haha..
@@GardFiring a mannequin dream , am I right?
100% of the time, no exceptions. That is the proper way to respect firearms. That and always to see if it is loaded even if someone tells you it is not
Leaving in OG's comment about keeping the barrel pointed downrange while doing your dance is important. Firearms are fun when enjoyed safely.
Smiles all around during a collab with Taofledermaus and OG. Excellent!
Love watching bullet proof testing. It's been amazing experiencing the revolution in body armor from the early 2000's when I first enlisted and was issued a Vietnam era flak vest (just a soft kevlar fiber vest created to reduce injury from shell fragments, not actually stop bullets...) through the mid 2000's when we were issued Interceptor Body Amor (soft kevlar armor with plate inserts of hard armor). Many of the layer and material combinations you have in this video, along with other more exotic materials, have been tried and tested. Some worked great, some failed with certain specialized ammuntions, some were just no practical for soldiers to wear all day. "Bullet proof" is a fluid term after all... Just like all engineering challenges. I'd be curious to see how many layers of kevelar/carbon fiber could achieve bullet resistance while still getting the artistic qualities you are looking for in a piece of fashion. Moving on from here, it would be interesting what kinds molding and casting set you you might try out to make a legitimate, nearly bullet proof, super heroine gown of armor! That is if you decided to keep pursuing such a project! When cosplay armor meets real world testing! Liked and subscribed!
I say we all start doing that as a community
I think the sexiest thing in this video was when you properly said "discharged the magazine". Incorrect language with firearms drives me nuts. That you got it correct is SO awesome. Thank you.
This does call for a Mk II bullet proof ball gown, this time with thicker Kevlar and carbon fiber and a better fit so you actually fit it comfortably this time… who’s with me?
*whispers "AR500 steel ..."*
it would be interesting to see a thicker 50 percent kevlar that actually stops the bullet and see the result on front / back. :-) also... i think therefore school?
@@bullzebub I think therefore I play.
@Crimson Halo Hell yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking ball gown plate armour would be awesome. Probably really heavy though.
I think the epoxy is probably weakening the kevlar somewhat because kevlar is usually a soft armour so as cool as the carbon fibre looks I think A softer more padded kevlar ball gown would do a better job stopping bullets.
Xyla, great effort. Cuddo's to the Taofledermaus crew. Just remember, experimentation is the key to real science and engineering.
I'm glad you put so much focus on safety and told your viewers about it.
BIG props to TAOFLEDERMAUS for putting the emphasis on safety first. Not throwing shade at anyone in particular, but some guntubers seem too quick to put a big bore firearm in a complete novice's hand. Best part is when you can see them or the camera man flinch when they get flagged.
Glad to see you getting into guns. I have no idea who you are, but hopefully this experience is your first step on a wonderful journey.
I was super excited to see the video title and when I saw TAOFLEDERMAUS and Officer Gregg I freakin lost it!! That was such an awesome video and a great collaboration. I love learning about ballistics from their channel! Hope to see more from you guys in the future!
That's probably the only way to legally shoot in CA is to do it with a commissioned LEO present. I'm willing to bet without Officer Greg present, TAOFLEDERMAUS YT videos would be illegal in CA.
It would have been really entertaining if FPSRussia did a cameo with his 2A rights restored or he shot it with an arrow or crossbow bolt. He can possess and use those.
And as always, have nice day.
Epoxying the Kevlar Is what made it ineffective. Kevlar's effectiveness comes from being able to move and flex with the projectile, absorbing its energy.
I just wanted to thank you for not being afraid to get outside your comfort zone and collaborate with gun content creators. There's a lot of overlap of people interested in engineering and people interested in guns. It's unfortunate that guns can be politically divisive because they're such great examples of engineering and materials science.
A gun is as much of a tool as an angle grinder or a hammer.
All three are functional weapons, just one is politicized.
@@kyleh3615 Just one is specifically designed to kill. Just say n'
@@moki123g and yet, more people are killed with hammers and bats.
If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you have a gun, everything looks like a victim.
@@llejk not to my experience with military firearms and ordnance, though with the latter, everything is just a string of map grid coordinates XD
Taofledermaus! I frickin love those guys, that's really awesome that you got to shoot with them. I can't think of anyone better to teach you gun safety. He's a frickin legend.
I'm also a huge fan of TFM and Officer Greg (R.I.P Danny) and have never see the man behind the camera till I watched this. I love watching your videos and content you make Xyla keep up the awesome work with putting out this awesome content.
Taofledermaus has been a first click RUclipsr for years. Good stuff on your channel too. I subscribed. I hope you will team up with Jeff & The OG again soon. God rest Danny, gone too soon. Much respect from Kansas.
I feel like a real insider since I got to see the behind the scenes videos already since I've been subbed for years now to Taofledermaus and the guys Officer "OG" Greg and Danny (RIP Danny you died pretty, as everyone should). You guys learned how to shoot well very quickly. As someone who's done quite a bit of target shooting and some competitive shooting I was impressed by your performance.
This was a way more badass follow up than I was expecting.
Never change.
Ruger Wrangler, a solid little single action. I love mine!
2:41 Look at that trigger discipline! Great job and welcome to the Taoflederfolk fanclub! I hope you continue your interests in firearms.
That's an unexpected collab, I love it.
I have been waiting for this ever since I saw a snippet on OG’s show. You did well on the range, especially if that was your first time. 👍👍👍
Any friend of Taofledermaus and OG is a friend of mine. I finally got to see Jeff and put a face to the voice. You look like you have done some other cool things on your channel as well. Subscribed.
Glad you linked up with Taofledermaus for this. Having people with experience there with you was a good idea. Don't make this a one time collaboration.
Commercially available Kevlar armor is usually much thicker than that, like 20 layers at least. Whether or not 6 puny layers of Kevlar could stop a ballistic projectile was never a question
awesome collab
perhaps a different weave is used for kevlar body armor.
Man, shooting at your project with taofledermaus it's an honor! well done
That first shot reminds me of how they market to people who are on a low-gluten diet for trend reasons. It's not gluten-free, it's "gluten-friendly"
It's not bullet-proof, it's "bullet-friendly"
I have to say, as a person who has to be gluten free, doing this as an expensive hobby is frightening. Since trends amp up the market, using this reasoning we probably have GF pizza much faster, I have to like it.
@@vjnobody same. Power to all the trendy eaters. They let me live more normally
@@vjnobody my aunt thought she was gluten intolerant and it just ended up being cancer.
Many people makeup gluten intolerance in their own head
Lol, "bullet-friendly" sounds like the exact opposite of what you'd want.
@@helpabrothawithasubisaiah5316 I had a girlfriend who was gluten intolerant right up until something sounded good that contained gluten. Then it was fine. She kind of reminded me of a girl I knew once who was allergic to cigarette smoke, but she luckily got over her allergy when she picked up a smoking habit.
That's neat that you were able to contact Taoflegermaus and do this proper. I love the fact you sought proper training before shooting. I had not seen your vids before but will look forward to checking them out.
Nice collab! Appreciated you showing this can be done safely and responsibly.
I clicked on this video without even realizing it would be the biggest crossover of RUclipsrs I watch I’ve ever seen 😭🤣
Listening to this in the other room and hear OG's voice. was not expecting this cross over.
Me neither!
Taofledermaus was probably the best collab you could've picked. They shoot a lot of wild stuff but they're always very technical about it, rather than the other gun youtubers that do silly stuff like "How much mayonnaise does it take to stop a 50cal?"
Taflodermaus does science (ballistics science included) instead of "SCIENCE!"
Or as Destin and Smarter Every Day showed recently. How to vaporize Mayonnaise with a Mach 1+ baseball… lol!
@@ETC_Rohaly_USCG That was more of a side effect, for the lols. The actual thing they were doing was characterising the relationship between supply pressure vs vacuum pressure vs velocity, and velocity over time for a baseball in supersonic-sonic region
@@mduckernz Hello fellow Matt. I was just mentioning it to be silly, and promote another channel, but then you had to go and be all scientific and such… lol!
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"Is mayonnaise -an instrument- bulletproof?"
isn't the flexibility of kevlar the thing that makes it bulletproof?
yes
Yes but in conjunction with the tensile strength and the weave pattern. All the weaves being aligned parallel to one another is very detrimental to the properties of bulletproof textiles.
@@kodizzie3827 but is making it hard bad or good?
@@nudl3Zz For kevlar its bad since it needs to "catch" the bullet, like you alluded to in your original comment. Even still the slabs of micarta would have likely benefited from each layer being placed at 45 degree angles. Overall it was a great experiment though.
@Miles Doyle is he bulletproof though?
If you wanted to make this bulletproof, use a fiberglass welding mat and make it WAY thicker. The channel ZNA Productions made an armor plate this way but it could totally be made into a dress shape
I was thinking same as others, think epoxy on Kevlar makes it way less effective, plus I believe layers should alternate direction or rotation threads run in, most bullet proof vests have many layers and are flexible plus include added layers off other material to absorb energy like thick cotton at back. I believe few layers added CF added at certain intervals would really add to strength, interesting video. Great to see you learn to shoot, avid long distance shooter(been to Campy Perry Nationals) myself; love to see people learn to shoot safely. Great video and kudos to the coaches! BTW, Nice shooting! Key is sight picture breath and trigger pull, you did very well! That 12 gauge was eye opener, they have solid kick, you did well.
This is like the first video I've seen of a non-gun youtuber going to a gun-range and actually doing the good in terms of safety. Always kept the barrel down range, always checked everyone was ready before firing, and I'm really impressed how you took your finger off the trigger after every shot, then waited, then placed it back, then fired. Stellar job done. And you can now technically say you have the ability to manufacture bullet proof materials
Quite a lot of youtubers have done it: Trash Taste, Vsauce, even Nikocado and the vegan teacher off the top of my head.
This is absolutely amazing Xyla! Love the colab with Jeff, I've been subscribed to his channel for probably ten years and this is a perfect fit. It's really cool to see another side of OG, he seems like such a natural trainer and you did fantastic! Move to LA keeps on paying off!!!
Gregg is one of my favorite gun RUclipsrs so cool that you collabed
Thanks Yodastien. It was a blast having her and Joe up to our place to shoot.
I think having the Kevlar made rigid with the resin reduces it’s effectiveness by making it more brittle. In Kevlar bulletproof vests it is loose and can move and give more.
I would totally be down for some videos about actually making a bullet-proof evening gown. As other commenters have mentioned, it's probably best to have an outer layer of rigid material with an inner lining of many layers of quilted HDPE fabrics instead of locking the flexibility and elasticity of the kevlar with resin. It would also be interesting to see you find some of the ceramic panels that are used in bullet-proof vests and find a way to shingle them like scales. There's actually an extent product called Dragon Skin that does this with alumina ceramic discs with overlapping edges to help with force dissipation over multiple plates to reduce and spread impact forces to prevent bruising and other internal injuries. You could sew them into little flat pouches and then stitch them all together like a combat-ready quilt.
Happy to see Officer Gregg here to teach you Guys .. He's a nice one..
I think the way the test panels were placed made a big difference. The ones that were just propped up against the ballistic jelly were able to absorb a lot more energy as kinetic energy. That's why they generally fared better than the ones attached to the foam Xyla double
11:11 My problem with the last couple tests is that the panel wasn't held in placed, unlike the previous tests. A bunch of the bullets energy was dissipated flipping the panel
TAOFLEDERMAUS sent me here and I have to say this was a fun video. You guys did great on the range. I'd say your panels are bullet resistant at least for low power rounds. Having watched a lot of Jeff's channel and they're similar experiments it's all just trial and error. But you're off to a great start and no better channel to team up with than TFM if you wanted to try it some more.
Great video! :)
If I was asked before I saw the video I would have guessed the billet would go right through. The Kevlar needed to be loose to absorb the energy. Making it rigid with epoxy is the problem. About time you show your face Jeff.
I love seeing young and old RUclipsrs working together this was my favorite you tube video of all time!
i've seen more of Jeff in this video than I have in 10 years of watching his channel, cool video, thanks Xyla
Go check out my behind-the-scenes video, you will see more Jeff than anyone ever needed.
@@OGsDangerShow Yeah I'm subbed to you OG, seen all your videos, my comment would make sense on your video too, It's funny, we all wanted to see what Jeff looked like for years then when we did see him it was like "ok, you can go back behind the camera now" lol
@@TheGreg6466 😆. Poor Jeff. And he’s not nearly as ugly as I am. Maybe we should switch roles.
The collaboration between two channels I follow I didn't expected to see. Great video for both once again tho
Jeff, Greg are great people. (On Taofledermaus) for those that look, it isn't just entertainment, Jeff does a lot of high-speed camera work that really helps the firearms community, we can see what the projectiles do and along with the wads. we see ballistically what is going on. this was a great video and looked like it was a lot of fun. -Dave
HUGE thumbs up to the good trigger discipline in the thumbnail picture!
TFM viewer here. Good to see your video of this. I was happy to see y’all learn to shoot safely and get your data in person. :) RIP Danny. :(
Been watching Jeff's channel for a while. The is the most I have ever seen him on camera.
Love the slow-mo shot of you flinching when shooting the Glock, then breaking out in a grin. Both are normal in new shooters! :)
no matter how prepared you think you are, you aren't prepared! haha
@@xylafoxlin I have an all metal Spanish surplus 9mm pistol for the express purpose of teaching women to shoot (higher mass/lower recoil). I always start them on a small, non intimidating .22 single action, just like they did for you. I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@@stevekreitler9349 My wife's first besides a 22 was a full size XDM 9MM. This is what my niece is learning on as well.
We just picked up a Hellcat for my wife today 😁.
Who else got weirded out seeing Jeff's face while hearing his voice?🤣 I've watched his channel since he created it, and I can't recall seeing his face more than once lol, he's always been behind the camera.
As to the dress, it's a pretty cool result. It may not have done what was intended, but it gives a baseline on what to improve. I'd say it needs a stronger and thicker Kevlar layer inside as backing, sometimes catching the bullet is a lot easier than stopping the bullet, if weight and thickness (and cost) is a concern.
Love Taofledermaus great choice to Collab with them as they are knowledgeable and do testing with guns often. Glad you're learning to shoot as well. It can be fun and safe if you learn and follow even basic weapon safety... Cool that the Carbon/Kevlar potentially did better than Kevlar alone.
Excellent experiment. I particularly enjoyed the slo-mo of your recoil face after shooting the nine
Make a set of light weight plates for a plate carrier! MORE BULLET PROOF STUFF!
I think the carbon fiber acts similar to ceramic armor. That an interesting concept. 🤔 maybe try several layers of carbon fiber before a material like Kevlar. Maybe even toss some titanium into the mix.
Kevlar can't offer the same protection as ceramic plate on its own. Kevlar catches a bullet and slows it down and eats the energy like a seat belt slows a passenger down. The ceramic plate will deflect and spread the energy across the plate.
high grade steel is a lot stronger than titanium, that is why its used to stop the bullet and kevlar to catch it. though I heard that titanium is really good at work hardening, so maybe some alloys can be used as light weight bulletproff plates ? but then again it can become brittle and actually not be very good at stopping bullets. so I don't know. maybe the best idea is ceramic, but what would be more doable for her to work with ?
Looked like you had a blast (pun intended) on the range with OG and Jeff.
BTW your wind powered racing machine was one of the most brilliant pieces of engineering I've seen on YT well done
theres like 3 crossovers happening here.... Officer Gregg, and the music from Matt's Offroad Recovery lololol
Great vid, definitely appreciated the logical way you went about trying to definitively answer "Is this bulletproof?" as well as the fact you didn't just shoot the dress once, say "Nope, not bulletproof" and called it a wrap (which you certainly could have done and it would've been 100% valid.)
I was so surprised and excited when I saw the OGs and Tafladormouse had you on their channels. Now just waiting to find out what happened.
I love seeing RUclipsrs collaborate, and this was one of the most unexpected surprises. Very fun!
Awesome video! It looks like you all had a lot of fun!
Plus this might be the most I’ve seen Jeff from taofledermaus in front of the camera, not behind it!
One thing you mentioned in here might be contributing to the kevlar being less effective. Kevlar vests are flexible because it's the elasticity that also helps arrest the energy of a round. Pouring resin into the kevlar made it more brittle which could have hurt this. It's why sharp bladed items can go through kevlar vests easier than bullets. For rigid protection ceramic plates (or their like) are used. I just wonder if keeping the kevlar flexible in your thinner sheets might not have done better as a whole.
What an AWESOME COLAB! Two great channels and great people getting together bringing us excellent informative content.
So I've been studying carbon fiber and kevlar fabrication for almost two years now because I'm starting a guitar company using these materials. From what I can tell based on the video, it didn't look like you pulled a vacuum on those panels when you laid them up with the epoxy. If you tried that it might be possible for a thinner panel to also stop the bullet. These fabrics are meant to have a vacuum drawn on them to evenly disperse the resin, and you put a bleeder/breather fabric inside the vacuum bag to wick up the excess. Too much resin is just as bad as not having enough, it leads to structural issues.
Yea. To get the most strength by both volume and weight you want to have as little epoxy as you can get away with while still having perfect wetting. Way back I got a briefer on how to make masts for windsurfing. While I don't remember much about the dimensions or profiles I do remember that they had an external mold for the masts so the glass fiber, carbon fiber or kevlar weave went inside with the epoxy and then they pumped up a tube placed in the middle using a hydraulic fluid to press as much epoxy as possible out of the laminate. The higher the glass, carbon or kevlar weight by volume was the better. I think I remember them talking about some thing like 80 or even 95 percent glass in a finished mast. By the way when talking about all the different materials they kept just simplifying it to "glass" a lot of the time when talking about the epoxy content.
The entire thing was then put into an oven and cooked to perfection. Once it was done the inner tube was deflated, the mold opened and there you had a new mast. They made masts for sail yachts that were much much larger using much the same technique and it was a pretty impressive process.
Like I said it was a long time ago, probably at least forty years which is a long time for me, so I'm not sure about the percentages. Just take away that to much epoxy is a bad thing.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I've actually never heard of using hydraulics to press out the excess resin but that's really interesting, and makes a lot of sense for projects that big, thanks for sharing your experience!
Holy shit I've subbed to TFM for years and never thought Id see a colab with Xyla!
I assume, during the test with the 22, that the CF is operating the same way a glass screen cover does on a cell phone. It cracks but also absorbs most of the energy so that whatever is under it doesn't crack.
Also, I'm a sucker for a fun purple wig and will probably head to Amazon next (via your affiliate link, of course).
Congratulations. Well thought out test on different kinds of materials and assembly. It was different than what I thought it would be.
What a a great colab. Thanks Xyla, BPS, and Taflhtofjvowpedsbcmouse!