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Madseason, now Preach...i don't know them personally but it seems like your friends are getting older and moving on with their lives. Totally understand but it still feels sad.
@@allanon3031 tbh raid shadow legends is most likely making a lot more money than WoW does. Mobile games earn way more than pc mmo's do, even some garbage mobile games earn more than top 10 mmos
im a new player that recently started the game after everyone seemed to quit over allegaitons and final fantasy and i tried both classic and retail but find classic 10000x more fun and better even just questing and getting gear upgrades feel 100x more meaningful and give me satisfaction, i got bored of retail almost instantly, the tbc changes are really good for me as a new player too i already have my mount for 40g at lvl 30 it feels good but i get it you guys have played this game for over a decade, this is ALL new content for me and im expereiencing it all for the first time, im probably having more fun than all of you :) i dont have any friends to play with but im soloing as if i were in 2006 or something im loving it
@@masterjenkins632 Classic is so fucking fun and enjoyable. Retail wow you just run through mobs no problem and you get bored. Classic you can’t pull more than 1-2 mobs at a time or you’re dead. Mana never runs out in retail either so it’s just boring.
@@mykulpierce Which is funny that Blizzard got to this point since there's been countless of MMOs that died or are dying for this exact reason. It really shows that Blizzard has been out of touch with the entire MMO market. They literally had to just look at any top 10 mmo list and one of the year prior to that and ask themselves what causes that certain MMO to drop from that list. 9/10 times its unnecessary grind, p2w shops, or making it so easy to catch up for new players that the best way to play the game is to just not play it and wait for idiots to spend 20 hours of their day grinding every so you can get it for free a month later. And the worst one of all is changing the difficulty of dungeons for newer players so it becomes more brain dead and unfun for experienced players to even bother helping out newer players
I lasted from Legion to like a week ago... Enjoying FF14 and casually playing when I want to. Not "must reach lategame or no ones around and its a ghost town". I really dont care about this scandal, the game is bad :(
@@MiraSubieGirl yeah but in ff14, the old content is still busy and occupied. I know your post wasn't all about that but still I think ff does a good job of making old content and cites still lively
"Why is this fun?" that is a question the dev's have failed to ask each other as they consistently create systems designed to force you to play. Without creating a game that makes you want to play because its just fun.
exactly the reason why i stopped in legion. people can say about WoD what they want. i loved that addon. you could do many things without having to spend half your day in the game
It is what happens when you promise devs the world then mid-production say "finish it up". 90% of what WOULD have been fun - is cut... which includes all synergies and "quality of life" parts. It is a problem with the AAA industry, which have only the shareholders profits in mind... If you want good games - support indie developers!
Great question. It kinda feels like you are forced to log on instead of wanting to log on to complete weekly or daily quests to keep endless grind of rep or you get left behind
I was laughing the other day, i said to a friend i play WoW specifically because it's not addictive anymore There was a time where the game was really addictive because it was good, now it's just meh but kinda nice because i don't have the time to play anymore
Don’t worry everyone, I plan to acquire activision blizzard and turn everything around. I have 32 cents in my pocket and I believe that’s a fair evaluation.
Quitting wow is like leaving a toxic relationship: it's hard because of all the time and effort, and how comfortable it was. But in the end, it is so much more healthy to end it, and look to the future. I think it's absolutely valid to be sad, or upset, or cry about this. This was a real and important part of his (and other players) lives. That is a hard thing to have to do.
I still cant. Literally years of my life in minutes played. I literally love my toons. I have to believe they all die in a fire, and then we get a proper management team.
There are those that are invested and can still walk away. For me walking away made it easier when i reached Loremaster - of all expacks. Done. Now i can walk. I am not going to get abused by a developer whose sole intent is to make me waste my time waiting for things ingame. RNG, no instant FP, wait to craft, wait in que. Wait to raid. Wait for this. Wait for that. Too much waiting. Not enough playing. TOO many systems in place designed to make you wait. Yeah. I dont need that.
@@suminshizzles6951 im not hear to suck blizz dîck but thats a perspective thing. there are people who literally have 1 character and burn through the content and spend 2 hours on reddit complaining about the game. its up to you, even in classic im leveling Paladin, Mage, Druid, Priest and Shaman and believe me i am efficient at that but i lack behind in content- having to skip mount farms/gear farms/ deep professions and much more. Even in Retail i was collecting mounts, doing Mythic+, farming old Raids, getting transmog and especially those juicy druid forms and leveling the allied races for their set+mount theres lots of things in the game to do, maybe not for current expansion but outside of that is lots to do. its 1 thing if asmongold who has almost every mount, did every raid tier, owns a collection of chars and transmog etc say the game is boring but 95% of all other have none of that
@@Thebensupremacy I'm aware this comment is old but when someone actually talks to the a dev or a lead designer and proves it and their credentials. Just keep sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich but you can't deny facts that are proven
WoW classic was the final adrenaline injection before the game died for me. The first week of classic was awesome because there wasn’t META just people who remembered their childhood and relived the nostalgia. I’m glad I was a part of that
There was absolutely the meta mindset. You just weren't quick enough to catch up to them. WoW Classic was also infested with the mentality from the start and it never left.
It wasn't just that though. It was the rampant botting as well. Blizzard's biggest mistake was catering to players that actually remebered when WoW had active GMs.
@@Dimamlavets yeah, and have you ever heard the phrase; attitude reflects leadership? If those pieces of shit would have stopped drinking, raping and driving their employees to suicide long enough to actually to what they were fucking paid to do the fucking community would have been sunshine and lollipops. But since it's all a cesspool of ego an entitled devs they get that back in spades.
@@minuette1752 On the contrary, I would say what is pathetic is the employees bringing it up at a time when their own company is being accused of some very serious things. Things which the playerbase could not possibly have even known about or influenced in any way. Regardless of how true it is, it reads like an attempt to deflect criticism and blame onto others. They should clean up their own house first.
@@Dimamlavets that's what you get when something becomes mainstream you have idiots who cause all the problems and ruin it for people who actually care.
We’ve legit been giving them millions of dollars every year and they’ve just been getting drunk at work and sexually harassing their colleagues instead of working on their games. We’re the idiots
Nah mate, they get billions a year and they still pulled this shit. Fuck these pieces of shit, a civil suit should be filed and refunds issued for time wasted
@@sallmmaan gaming can be someone's redemption from utter depression and that's all right. Gaming is toxic only if you do it only cause thats "what you do" or have always done.. if you have goals and good friends in games you play, your happiness is as genuine as any other people working on their goals.
It's crazy how they use it as an excuse. Most digital agencies and companies that deal with digital products actually notified an improvement in work quality and velocity (how much work devs can produce in a given timeframe). It's not like they are producing physical products, there are ways of working online, collaborating and brainstorming. I've been working remotely since march last year and it's all good - not planning on going back to the office any soon.
Working from home is fantastic as a software developer. You can set up your own space, work in your own time, and you don't have people walking by constantly pestering you. In addition, its easier to get better setups at home, when we remote last March I was finally able to go from a laptop and a single monitor to a full 3 monitor setup. Working from home is not an excuse if you're an even semi-competent developer.
WOW is like that toxic ex that keeps promising they’ll change and you keep going back to give them chances and you are often met with disappointment. At some point you have to realize that things might never go back to how they once were or they won’t improve and you have to move on… it’s hard but you have to do it. Once they so you having fun and doing good. They might come back to you and try harder to show you why they changed.
There is this ongoing legend about WoW killer game that one day gonna be released. Truth there won't be any other mmo, Blizzard will destroy his own creation more soon than later judging by what's going on now.
I'm playing the hell out of the D2 remake but I have zero faith on D4 coming out anytime soon. BTW the D2 remake is being developed by an Activision studio, not Blizzard, I guess old Bobby didn't want a second coming of Reforged. Maybe that's why it actually looks good.
The rate of creators uploading serious videos ending in heartwrenching memory compilations is killing me, man So many multiple-year channels and communities just... ending all at the same time
Losing Preach needs to be a huge wakeup call for Activision Blizzard. He's right about all of it. They drove it into the ground, making the game less rewarding and adding all these awful systems with random chances to get what you need. Even casuals like me got wrecked with this expansion, it's not just domination shard junk. Bobby needs to lay down the law and fix Blizzard. Thumbs up.
Should have started playing just now like me. I came back after 5 years and find it decently enjoyable. lol I’ll play for two months and then quit again for another year +.
Blizz need to learn the hard way that these constant RNG farms designed to keep players playing isnt engaging content. You know whats really engaging? Good fucking content. Content that actually rewards your time investment.
@@SamoIsKing And there's SO much content out there. Hundreds of mounts, thousands of pets, millions of transmog choices, etc. They could literally go to a voucher system for new content (don't get a gear drop this week but if you run 3 weeks and still don't have the gear off this boss for doing it than turn in your 3 vouchers for a piece) and completely eliminate the previous expansions RNG components (or better clearing previous content JUST gets you voucher tokens to buy transmog variants of gear from those dungeons/raids if done >+5 levels higher. But that's just my opinion.
About time. All I heard all the time from literally every streamer for a few years now was how unhappy they were playing a game they hated. We need like a rehab center for WoW players
@@twinblade63 nah, anyone would leave given how malignant and distasteful Blizzard has been. Being toxic to their supporters and community? Geez, unless you're a delusional idiot and continues to play, you're better off without WoW in your life. Popular streamers have been leaving WoW years ago, now just became an upsurge due to Blizzard's scandal. SCANDAL.
Lol they literally forgot to do Archeology in Shadowlands. Oops entire profession gone. There is also a Dwarf racial for it. Oops entire race's passive ability gone.
@@Sorrowdusk No. The brokers are the closest thing and they are majorily against us like most of the Ethereals in TBC. Archaeology for lore reasons was never intended to be in the shadowlands because for lore reasons you wont bring things back out of the afterlife. I 100% believe the reason they will give for anima powers not working on azeroth is the same reason the heart of azeroth doesnt work in the shadowlands.
It's been falling apart since OG BC, the acquisition from Activision and Tencent sealed the deal along with the recent allegations. Every single company will have some sort of sexual harassment issue one way or another, hate to say it, it is just how the company acts or deals with it.
I can, I called this over 4 years ago. I work in the video game dev industry, and was able to spot that sinking ship a mile away. I knew WoW was on the decline and was never getting better.
@@archnemesis0513 So true. After BC the lore started to lose the plot too, and they just kept squandering the lore more and more over time. The details of this situation are especially damning though. I mean an employee committed suicide after a truly horrific situation of physical sexual exploitation by her boss and sexual abuse from a large number of her male coworkers. They shared photos of her naked in public at a holiday party and faced no consequences. Physical sexual harassment (groping, menacing advances, jabbing) seems to be happening on a mass scale too. Most companies will never have a situation like that. There are good people there too, but I really wonder which group is larger and what the exact proportions of this are.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” The game should have been shut down after WotLK imo, maybe even before that. It was amazing when it was good.. but it went downhill so fast after TBC
"Why don't you stick around to help the innocent people in the company?" Because if you do that, that sends the executives a *clear* message they can get away with anything and use their downtrodden employees as a guilt shield to keep you from flexing the only power you have that can drive change in the company. Yes, it's going to suck for the good people in Blizzard if you choose not to play WoW, but the alternative is to keep playing a game that doesn't make you happy, while also forcing these employees into being living shields from criticism.
@@Derek147900 because it's totally the same thing right? Bombing a fucking hospital vs boycotting a billionaire company, the only language they'll understand is money, no change will happen if you keep giving them money
It really is so sad. But at this point its obvious that WoW is blizzard's cash cow, not their passion project. I decided to move my Rogue that I have had since vanilla. Parked him in the Crossroads for his retirement and uninstalled. Good bye Preach, Good bye WoW. Thanks for the memories.
It's sad, I've played this game for 15 years, my dad introduced me to Vanilla and TBC, I finally quit last year, because I felt absolutely depressed with the state of Warcraft, and Blizzards BS attitude towards employees and customers. I can definitely say I'm done with Wow and all Blizzard games in general.
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Yeah it sucks. Been playing since Vanilla and I quit in BFA. I just couldn't anymore. I wasn't having fun or anything no matter what I did to try and spice it up. It felt like work. And when I realized that I was like, "nah"
all the reasons you want, but stop hiding at bullsht reasons that you stop wow because of the attitude towards employees and customers.... if you honestly stopped because of that you wouldnt be able to do anything in life anymore...
While baldman's and preach's hairlines are flourishing, blizzard is now the one malding and losing all the hairline over Cali lawsuit. Kekw how the tables have turned. No hairline rules forever.
@@elburritoboy3944 have you seen their stock prices? They are plumetting my guy. When the CEO issues a statement to damage control you know its messed up.
@@aymanbhr4436 I check their stock daily, they only went down about 6% so far. When they released WoD they went down 50% and went up to their peak again after that. So 6% is nothing for them. Yesterday they went up 2% as well so no they are not plumetting.
You are using "was WoW itself" in a past tense term it is still by far the most popular mmo and still the most fun regardless of the systems the endgame beats all others. Keep sucking down that copium!!!
@@Wigglez50 WoW is actually at an all time low right now, several other MMOs have more active players by a decent margin currently. Between all the things players have been complaining about coupled with the lawsuit, the game is quickly dying if not already dead. My guild went from daily over 100 online at peak hour down to 20 in just the past month. And every large guild I know of is in a similar place.
"Because they don't play the game" I think a better explanation for all of their downfall in wow is "They hate their players" it has been proven time and time again. Even said multiple times. Blizzard hate their players.
I still remember when the Diablo 3 devs were shit talking the players and their competition (PoE, Torchlight, etc) Especially after a fellow dev, of earlier Diablos that had left, criticized the game.
Been spending a long time back seating and deciding whether to get into wow or ff14. This happened with blizzard so now I'm playing ff14 and I gotta say the game is a blast
So much more community and kindness. Maybe if the guys making wow weren't idolizing Cosby, not for his comedy, but sexual "prowess" then there might be a thought outside of their own self gratification.
I miss when I could just connect and chill in WoW, and do raiding once a week. Now ? It feels like a job : I have to log in daily, do boring stuff IN ORDER TO have a chance of bereing accepted into raids
When I quit playing WoW 4-5 years ago, I just accepted that the game was no longer for me. It was difficult but I did it without any real hard feelings toward Blizzard and so I still continued to enjoy their other games. As time went on however it became increasingly obvious that Blizzard devs think themselves superior to their fans and player base. They believed that it was up to them to tell us what we want and that actually listening to players was beneath them. And so about 2 years ago I decided enough was enough and just boycotted Blizz/Activision altogether. You want to believe yourselves superior to me Blizz? Well you can do it without my money.
I remember a time when you could buy a game from blizzard even if you didn't test it before. It was known that if blizzard did it, it's good .. those times are gone…
Games, especially MMO's, rarely die in the traditional sense, and rarely die fast with some exceptions, WoW has been dying for years now, these last few years have just been the end of what started long ago.
@@RoxxiTheDiceGoblin Also WoW's playerbase is getting older and it seems like new blood really isn't that frequent in coming. My nephew's and nieces don't know about WoW, don't talk about, don't care about it and one of them is a teenager so the exact demographic you'd be aiming for. Less new people interested means less people replacing those that burn out and move on. And Blizzard as done sweet fuck all to try to court the newer generation. Instead it desperately clings to it's aging playerbase like a parasite and, much like a Parasite, seeks to siphon off as much cash as it can to grow swollen and bloated before falling off and the player walks away.
@@luketfer Excellent Point, compare that to 14 that did 0 advertising during Covid because Yoshi wasn't comfortable with taking advantage of the situation and well... that says more than I ever could about the differences.
@@OneFiveYankee True true, I do think WoW will "survive", even if it's shut down, private servers will always exist, it'll fade into obscurity at this rate.
"On paper, the numbers work out. I'm sure all that stuff we didn't factor into the equation won't matter, and I'm sure the fact that we got an un-paid, sexually harassed intern to do the maths won't have any negative effect!"
@@robertfancyman3873 Unpaid, sexually harassed and after they have finished writing a 500 word essay on why they need to go to toilet more than once a day*
It really bums me out to see you guys going through this. I'm glad the gaming community has people like you and Preach to take a stand and tell them how wrong this is.
MadSeason, Swifty, Preach... just to name a few. Noticed tonight during prime time on my realm that nothing was very busy at all. Not my covenant, not Oribos, not even Korthia was all that busy. The game is dying and Blizzard is holding the smoking gun. I actually fired up my Albion Online account again tonight. Such a neat sandbox MMO. Been kinda fun to tinker around with it again. I think I'm pretty much done with WoW like so many others. Been a wild ride over the years. Started playing in late vanilla and only quit once for a year during Cata. But all good things come to an end.
Everyone: "How about we keep going with character customization, everyone seemed to really LOVE what we got so far!" Devs: "Na, lets just add another super convoluted and broken system instead. The kids love those"
I haven't played wow in 8 years now, but i still love to check in now and again and let myself remember the fun i had when i had time to raid.... watching all these people i followed avidly quit and seeing what wow has become makes my heart hurt.
@@korenn9381 tbc was may favorite time to raid. I loved all the ones i did. It took so much time and patience. I was the MT for my guild, idk but karazan will always be my favorite place, it wasnt hard but just fun.
I’m happy this is happening. I love the franchise but this corporate cold company that Blizzard has become is disgusting and in top of that, now they’re bad at making games. There’s no reason for us as gamer to support this bullshit any longer.
Sad to see Preach leaving but given the recent direction of WoW it kind of felt like writing on the wall. Systems on top of Systems and a convoluted mess of retconned lore, unwillingness to listen to the community and it's amazing content creators like Preach himself. The game is a shadow of it's former glory. Well I hope Preach finds his way over to Final Fantasy.
Next, we're going to see an RNG item drop system called "anima infused" and the content will randomly drop items with special effects on them, and there won't be a vendor to get the ones that are important for your class until a few months before 9.3. Really looking forward to 9.2
Kind of crazy that as soon as this allegation case came to light it was like the final straw for all wow players who played for years. We learned why the game was going downhill and now we’re through with it
Reminds me of when I found out that my ex was losing their mind because they were going around smoking meth while I was at work. I put up with so much and never gave up on them until I found out why it was happening.
I actually quit today. I used to play for hours and days on end with the earlier expansions, but each one just feels worse and worse to me. I just can't play this game anymore. It's such a huge time investment for such paltry rewards.
2 seconds mentioning actual crimes and the rest of the video talking about shit he was totally ok taking a paycheck to moan about. Rats off a ship mate.
@@amyrainbow237 just because someone was willing to tolerate some bullshit yesterday, doesn't mean they will be tomorrow. That's why people refer to these situations as "the straw that broke the camel's back."
Plenty of people saying it's "just a game." It seems they haven't committed enough time to anything to understand the separation? Or be emotionally attached to something they enjoyed?
im having an existential crisis. (if thats the right use) years into this game. and now it seems its all going away with the flip of a server switch. feels like city of heros all over again.
I hate that mentality so very much. It's like the woman who told me to "get another one" when my cat died, or my parents getting mad at *me* when I was devastated that they cut down a tree I loved since childhood. "It's just a cat." "It's just a tree." "It's just a game." No, it *fucking* isn't. It's just things that people have real emotional attachment for, and a little empathy would go a long way. I only played WoW because my friends did, so this is easy to walk away from for me. For my buddy who had memories of playing the game when it came out with his now-deceased grandfather? Not quite as simple.
@@JimBobDewayne you can say that about most things. A lot of things aren’t good for you if you can’t control it but WOW in the past was good for people. Stop reinforcing a stereotype that all gamers are unfit and unhealthy. I play games like 7 hours a day but I do well in school and go to the gym 6 days a week.
@@kalasmournrex1470 The competition were fierce back then. If your game suck no one buying your game. Also we didn't have live service BS back then, if your game unplayable on day 1 there's no way to fix them on the fly. Well unless you want update your game from dial up which is impractical.
Just tested D2 again after a couple of years. D2 sucks a ton today still... Even more with this shit "Seasons" cashgrab system, bungie is also a shady company. Not just on the levels of blizzard tho. This is unheard of, just watching every development on the state of this lawsuit etc is just... Insanity.
@@Zarozh D2 absolutely still sucks, but I actually think Bungie listens to the community quite well, except they have their famous “monkey paw” where they implement a change at the cost of making some other thing significantly worse. If it wasn’t for the incredible gameplay and the communities that I’m a part of for D2, I would’ve quit.
@@onyonrong9244 I see i see, i feel the gameplay is still shit. Just as bad as it was day1, then the "new" expansions etc are just... Even more shit, and the game is basicly a pay DLC game that still forces you to pay for a "season" pass aswell. And that makes me... Annoyed when we got f2p games that beats it by miles. The gaming genere atm is in a... Real shit stance.
Seeing what’s Been happening to the women of blizzard sylvannas makes a whole lot more sense. How can they work on the final product when it’s beer crawl time guys
I haven't played WoW for years, last time I had fun watching Asmongold's was during his iron man runs. I watch Preach for the Drama Time which is a lot of fun. Both of you make really good hosts for many different videos, though I don't play (not even FF14), it's fun to watch you two have fun while I'm at work.
Nah I was thinking about that too. They saw the end coming towards the end of bfa when the investigation was first getting underway. They knew it was going to be bad, hell, there's the 4chan meme that was supposedly done by ion about 'if you only knew how bad things really are.' My guess is they wanted to go out on their own terms, the big bad wins and rewrites history. Wow will be shutdown for years after this perhaps and once either the IP is sold off to another team or the smoke has settled enough, wow 2 will be released.
@@kye4216 ye shadowlands is definitely better than BFA. This whole thing have just been coming for a long time and blizzard does nothing to solve stuff and make players happy.
@@No_OneV More like it is hard to believe it took this long. It takes a Blizzard company boycotting itself to get him to budge. Power to him though for finally leaving unlike a certain Taliesin and Bellular... They can't really preach that they want positive change for the game AND log in at this point, right? Right?!
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle Truth bro, they seem to see us as an annoyance rather than the reason they still exist. The old Blizzard would never have done such a thing, they were awesome.
@@Oxynium So? we arent talking about who quit the game we are talking about legends on the wow scene and who started us watching. Pyromancer is NOT on that list lol he is a nobody compared to athene and swifty etc.
The thing with the percentage nerfs hits me so hard, look at League of Legends fine tuning, and especially look at the Cryteks video called Hunt Showdown, the patch changes, in test and live, are so miniscule but have a great impact. The changes in there are at most difference by 2-4% differences. That is fine tuning. Going into a system and be like "Here, 50%, go bash skulls" isn't.
I played since Vanilla. I took a 2 year break right before Legion, and came back last year. I regret it because I absolutely loved running Legion, but as someone running it a first time, it was disappointing to see stuff like Legendary items with effects deactivated and pretty much useless. Just seemed pointless to run for gear, even though it was fun to quest through the zones. They realize they fucked up something and instead of fixing it, nah, let's just get rid of it. And they keep repeating it. So many missed opportunities.
for me it started with cataclysm had a retribution paladin lvl 43 trouble with lvl 46 elite mobs before the patch that applied cataclysm. after that patch i logged in was the same place but 3 of the 46 elite mobs aggro me and i slay them in under 5 minutes. raged quit at that moment
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I think he should announce hes quitting even if its not for good. Maybe itd help motivate blizzard to fix their game. Although asmon said before blizzard wouldn't care if he quits but I'd like to put that to the test
Asmongold 2021 : "Everything makes sense if you work under the premise that they dont actually play the game" So true , so depressingly unbelievably true.
I'd love to see Asmon reactto the full rant preach went on over on the highlights channel. Like he REALLY laid into Blizz, even about their overall treatment of him throughout the years compared the the "new blood" that was coming in.
Out of all the people quitting this one is bar far the saddest to me personally. Been watching Preach for so long man It's blatantly clear how much Preach cared about the game, the community and the devs. He put so much effort into trying to improve the game
Chat overdosing on Copium screaming "Just like FF14 Omegalul" Everytime they say something bad about the current state and trajectory of WoW. I haven't seen Asmongold genuinely enjoying streaming a game until he got into FF14. He's obviously having a great time on FF14 and all this small portion of his audience is in denial about it.
People may hate on WoD but remember in HFC how cool the legendary rings were compared to shards of domination. Having everyone coordinate their rings and then use burst and have huge massive hits or heals, was such a more creative and fun item.
I did see this already but good for Preach, and hope he can transition to multiple games but most importantly is happy doing it. I have much sympathy for people who are stuck with making WoW content as a living and are too small to move away from WoW.
As King Terenas once said, "Can you feel it, my son, closing in all around you? The Light's justice has been awakened. The sins of the past have finally caught up to you. You will be called to account for all the atrocities you've committed, the unspeakable horrors you've let loose upon this world, and the dark, ancient powers you've enslaved. Though my soul was one of the first to be devoured by your evil, there are thousands more bound within this blade, and they cry out for release. Look now to your defenses, my son, for the champions of justice gather at your gates". Blizzard challenges that call to arms, this time unlike at ice icecrown there will never again be a lich king.
"Oh, new patch, time to vendor all this gear I farmed, because there's literally no attachment to it, and it's just a reskinned model of 1 out of 4 different gear pieces they made for the whole xpac." They're making the time investment require more, and more to do just simple normal raid runs, while also devaluing EVERYTHING you get out of it. It's so fuckin bad, that trash has to drop COSMETIC BoEs. I'm so fuckin tired of this shit, and to top it off, instead of working on this game I pay pretty big bucks for, they're too busy getting plastered and harrasing chicks at work. I thought WoD was going to be the largest shit they could have taken on my pillow, but then I resubbed for SL's, the last patch of BFA, only to see the train wreak never ended, it's still derailing.
I agree with you except for the fact that you're paying big bucks for the game. The expacs are no more cost than a regular new game, and the sub is 15 a month. That's not big bucks. Unless you're buying 5 tokens a week.
@@codyrockwood15 Okay, what's WoW's lifetime? What's your time played on your main? Do some math, get back to me how much you've dumped over the years into this game. Include the xpacs, account for days you paid for time, but couldn't play the game. Account for all of the money Blizzard milks out of a single individual and tell me what they've done to show an investment into their game, company, and employees, with the years of sub and xpac money. Tell me how much time you played WoD and tell me it was better than The Witcher 3, or GTAV. Tell me an expac is worth as much as a whole new game, when they've been reusing assets from the OG blizz team? It's big bucks, if you understand the realm it exist in. I think you're mistaken and just assumed it wasn't "big bucks" because you didn't care to consider every good, and terrible thing, you paid money and time for.
@@budsvan12 I mean, yew, blizz isn't up to snuff compared to what they have been. But they're still the best game out there. I've played since 2007. And I'd I had a problem with all the money I've sunk into the game, then I wouldn't stopped a long time ago. Don't get me wrong, I understand completely where you're coming from. And yes, blizzard has alot of making up to do with their customers. Especially ones that have stuck it out through thick thick then. But the game is still pretty much the best out there. And certainly the best in its genre. Activision getting involved was the WORST thing that could happen to wow. And I was screaming that from day one. I still believe that to be true.
@@codyrockwood15 I just think you underestimate what big bucks can look like in gaming, they're the "best in the genera" because they used to invest into it, what's the state and stats of modern Blizzard? I respect your opinion, and I'm sure you've enjoyed the investment you put into the game, but for me man, them making progress worthless, xpacs a "season pass" like adventure, and just shitting out the most blatant money grabbing they can makes it hard for me to understand how you're content investing all the time and money into a company that no longer feels the need to impress us anymore. They won't hold the monikers you referenced for long, and as many have said. WoW is the biggest WoW killer on the market.
@@budsvan12 so I did the math, and over the years my sub cost has come to around almost $3,000. So I was wrong. You're right, that is big money going into a game that doesn't proportionatly return the investment back Into the game anymore. I just hope they pull their head out kf there ass, and that these new announced changes are actually the start of them on the road to redemption.
Actually i did always enjoy Preach's WoW content. But in the last few years, i realized how i watched him less and less, but it wasn't because i didn't like his channel anymore! The only reason was, that i didn't want to play WoW anymore and as such, didn't want to watch content about it. Looking forward to your new projects and ideas! Will definitely check it out.
I'm considering quitting wow as well. after 11 years of playing it since I was 6 years old I'm extremely sad and disappointed in blizzard for destroying my childhood game
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All these streamers making goodbye videos remind me of a lover breaking it off with someone they used to love. Joking aside being a 15 year player I understand and I’m heartbroken too.
The good thing about FFXIV for instance is that when a class is unbalanced (too powerful) instead of nerfing it and frustrate the players, they buff other classes and fights to balance them
Whenever I hear the argument that the pandemic makes a game's issues okay, I think about it like this. They still charged full price. They still charge your WoW subscription for the same price. CoD Cold War launched with the least amount of content in CoD launch history, but they still charged $60-$70 with a battle pass + microtransactions, and all I heard was "but the pandemic" no fuck you. The pandemic is a perfectly fine reason for reduced content and quality of it, but not to still charge full price, or even release unfinished shit in the first place.
Thank you all for watching! If you are new and didn't really know Preach before, i strongly recommend you check out his channel, especially now that he will start covering more variety games and i'm sure Final Fantasy 14 too.
He is one of the pillars of the WoW community and deserves your sub: *ruclips.net/user/mikepreachwow*
Even if Asmongold leaves WoW, I bet Blizzard wouldn't even give a shit.
End of an Era
Preach is a legend.
Matter of fact all the bald wow youtubers are legendary.
Was wondering if you have looked at the game Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen? Its basically a real sequeal to Everquest.
Madseason, now Preach...i don't know them personally but it seems like your friends are getting older and moving on with their lives. Totally understand but it still feels sad.
Imagine having a game so terrible that you can't keep players who get paid by playing the game.
Pretty fucked up, I tell ya hwat
When wow falls to the level of raid shadow legends :(
@@allanon3031 WoW Raid: Shadowlands
@@allanon3031 tbh raid shadow legends is most likely making a lot more money than WoW does. Mobile games earn way more than pc mmo's do, even some garbage mobile games earn more than top 10 mmos
@@allanon3031 what's even worse is Raid is making more money and keeping more people than wow
The biggest red flag moment for me was back when people would rather play classic than current content
Multiple games are seeing this too. RIFT and EQ for instance.
Classic yes. TBC classic NO
@@Moonface00z Wrath YES xD
im a new player that recently started the game after everyone seemed to quit over allegaitons and final fantasy and i tried both classic and retail but find classic 10000x more fun and better even just questing and getting gear upgrades feel 100x more meaningful and give me satisfaction, i got bored of retail almost instantly, the tbc changes are really good for me as a new player too i already have my mount for 40g at lvl 30 it feels good but i get it you guys have played this game for over a decade, this is ALL new content for me and im expereiencing it all for the first time, im probably having more fun than all of you :) i dont have any friends to play with but im soloing as if i were in 2006 or something im loving it
@@masterjenkins632 Classic is so fucking fun and enjoyable. Retail wow you just run through mobs no problem and you get bored. Classic you can’t pull more than 1-2 mobs at a time or you’re dead.
Mana never runs out in retail either so it’s just boring.
It would seem that not playing WoW is the new playing WoW.
Everyone always said the only thing that could kill WoW was WoW...
Its more effecient to not play wow to progress your character since there is catch up mechanics every patch
@@shyguy640 oh could we have foreseen this future back in the mid 2000s
@@mykulpierce Which is funny that Blizzard got to this point since there's been countless of MMOs that died or are dying for this exact reason. It really shows that Blizzard has been out of touch with the entire MMO market. They literally had to just look at any top 10 mmo list and one of the year prior to that and ask themselves what causes that certain MMO to drop from that list.
9/10 times its unnecessary grind, p2w shops, or making it so easy to catch up for new players that the best way to play the game is to just not play it and wait for idiots to spend 20 hours of their day grinding every so you can get it for free a month later. And the worst one of all is changing the difficulty of dungeons for newer players so it becomes more brain dead and unfun for experienced players to even bother helping out newer players
The catgirls 🐱 just treat you better.
Happy that players are being real over their feelings toward WoW. No more forcing yourself to play.
Their actions are forced. It took Blizzard employees boycotting themselves to get them to budge. It had to get THIS BAD.
I lasted from Legion to like a week ago... Enjoying FF14 and casually playing when I want to. Not "must reach lategame or no ones around and its a ghost town".
I really dont care about this scandal, the game is bad :(
@@Dooger414 that's what cost sunk fallacy does to people, they're too invested in the game to quit it.
@@MiraSubieGirl yeah but in ff14, the old content is still busy and occupied. I know your post wasn't all about that but still I think ff does a good job of making old content and cites still lively
@@jullevenmendoza1516 The worst codependency situation ever. Stockholm Syndrome in the digital sense.
"Why is this fun?" that is a question the dev's have failed to ask each other as they consistently create systems designed to force you to play. Without creating a game that makes you want to play because its just fun.
exactly the reason why i stopped in legion.
people can say about WoD what they want. i loved that addon. you could do many things without having to spend half your day in the game
It is what happens when you promise devs the world then mid-production say "finish it up".
90% of what WOULD have been fun - is cut... which includes all synergies and "quality of life" parts.
It is a problem with the AAA industry, which have only the shareholders profits in mind...
If you want good games - support indie developers!
Great question. It kinda feels like you are forced to log on instead of wanting to log on to complete weekly or daily quests to keep endless grind of rep or you get left behind
The devs were too busy having fun in the "Cosby Suite"...
I was laughing the other day, i said to a friend i play WoW specifically because it's not addictive anymore
There was a time where the game was really addictive because it was good, now it's just meh but kinda nice because i don't have the time to play anymore
Don’t worry everyone, I plan to acquire activision blizzard and turn everything around. I have 32 cents in my pocket and I believe that’s a fair evaluation.
LMAO
I’ll be there rooting for you
Considering how fast the stocks are plummeting I'd say you have a good shot.
GET IT LAD
But it’s a multi dollar company, not multi cent.
Quitting wow is like leaving a toxic relationship: it's hard because of all the time and effort, and how comfortable it was.
But in the end, it is so much more healthy to end it, and look to the future.
I think it's absolutely valid to be sad, or upset, or cry about this. This was a real and important part of his (and other players) lives. That is a hard thing to have to do.
Time to get a real job 🤷♂️ lucky people watch this shit anyways
I still cant. Literally years of my life in minutes played. I literally love my toons. I have to believe they all die in a fire, and then we get a proper management team.
Yeah, it was hard. I can thank blizzard one last time for pushing me over that line with their latest actions
There are those that are invested and can still walk away. For me walking away made it easier when i reached Loremaster - of all expacks. Done. Now i can walk. I am not going to get abused by a developer whose sole intent is to make me waste my time waiting for things ingame. RNG, no instant FP, wait to craft, wait in que. Wait to raid. Wait for this. Wait for that. Too much waiting. Not enough playing. TOO many systems in place designed to make you wait. Yeah. I dont need that.
@@suminshizzles6951 im not hear to suck blizz dîck but thats a perspective thing.
there are people who literally have 1 character and burn through the content and spend 2 hours on reddit complaining about the game.
its up to you, even in classic im leveling Paladin, Mage, Druid, Priest and Shaman and believe me i am efficient at that but i lack behind in content- having to skip mount farms/gear farms/ deep professions and much more.
Even in Retail i was collecting mounts, doing Mythic+, farming old Raids, getting transmog and especially those juicy druid forms and leveling the allied races for their set+mount
theres lots of things in the game to do, maybe not for current expansion but outside of that is lots to do.
its 1 thing if asmongold who has almost every mount, did every raid tier, owns a collection of chars and transmog etc say the game is boring but 95% of all other have none of that
"Some Blizzard people have reached out to me."
Lead game Designer: *"Asmongold's an asshole."*
This is the kind of take you'll develop when you spend all your time getting your info from clickbait content.
@@Thebensupremacy I'm aware this comment is old but when someone actually talks to the a dev or a lead designer and proves it and their credentials.
Just keep sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich but you can't deny facts that are proven
WoW classic was the final adrenaline injection before the game died for me. The first week of classic was awesome because there wasn’t META just people who remembered their childhood and relived the nostalgia. I’m glad I was a part of that
There was absolutely the meta mindset. You just weren't quick enough to catch up to them. WoW Classic was also infested with the mentality from the start and it never left.
It wasn't just that though. It was the rampant botting as well. Blizzard's biggest mistake was catering to players that actually remebered when WoW had active GMs.
@@stoheha blizzard probably profited greatly off of botting, a synergistic relationship with chinese gold sellers
Profiting**
Classic really took me way back for several months. Was a great time.
I hate that blizzard is so mixed on this, especially having people blaming the players for the toxic environment.
You made the environment, blizzard.
The whole gaming community is toxic nowadays. Everyone likes to find something to bitch about. That’s facts
@@Dimamlavets yeah, and have you ever heard the phrase; attitude reflects leadership?
If those pieces of shit would have stopped drinking, raping and driving their employees to suicide long enough to actually to what they were fucking paid to do the fucking community would have been sunshine and lollipops. But since it's all a cesspool of ego an entitled devs they get that back in spades.
Ah next blizzard is gonna blame players for quitting the game.
@@minuette1752 On the contrary, I would say what is pathetic is the employees bringing it up at a time when their own company is being accused of some very serious things. Things which the playerbase could not possibly have even known about or influenced in any way. Regardless of how true it is, it reads like an attempt to deflect criticism and blame onto others. They should clean up their own house first.
@@Dimamlavets that's what you get when something becomes mainstream you have idiots who cause all the problems and ruin it for people who actually care.
Preach has always been one of the most reasonable voices in WoW.
I feel like him quitting really is the final nail in the coffin.
Good, honestly good.
We’ve legit been giving them millions of dollars every year and they’ve just been getting drunk at work and sexually harassing their colleagues instead of working on their games. We’re the idiots
Nah mate, they get billions a year and they still pulled this shit. Fuck these pieces of shit, a civil suit should be filed and refunds issued for time wasted
Millions, nah its hundreds of millions
Maybe remember that most of the company wasn’t doing that.
It's the squarely the fault of the abusers. Let's not get things twisted. Now do your part and stop playing. Time for new adventures else where.
what is it? 3 major update later?hm? 5? whatever the numbers you are sure idiots for staying the third time.
Imagine that.
Blizzard was the wow-killer all along.
"No King rules forever my son."
Can you explain how its dead? its going to lose alot of subs but it will still be extremely popular regardless
@@plummet3860 You think he's the only one and his subs turning away?
@@plummet3860 It's not completely dead but it's not the king anymore.
Where you been? Basically that’s what people been saying for years
Very creative comment i have seen 10.000 of these
Just waiting for the inevitable 'Asmongold quits WoW' video, sadly.
Quitting WoW is an important step towards happiness.
Just like uninstalling league of legends
Quitting All mmo tbh
@@getonleagueguys7557 riot atleast cares about updating the game constantly, and is free to play
Uh oh, I just got into the game am going to regret it
@@sallmmaan gaming can be someone's redemption from utter depression and that's all right. Gaming is toxic only if you do it only cause thats "what you do" or have always done.. if you have goals and good friends in games you play, your happiness is as genuine as any other people working on their goals.
"Yes it sucks that you have to work from home, but whenever you're at the office you're making garbage too"
Asmongold 2021
@@paulmark441 what
It's actually better working from home, less middle management breathing down your neck
It's crazy how they use it as an excuse. Most digital agencies and companies that deal with digital products actually notified an improvement in work quality and velocity (how much work devs can produce in a given timeframe). It's not like they are producing physical products, there are ways of working online, collaborating and brainstorming. I've been working remotely since march last year and it's all good - not planning on going back to the office any soon.
I work in software development, we are in 100% home office for 14 months now. Only improvements throughout.
Working from home is fantastic as a software developer. You can set up your own space, work in your own time, and you don't have people walking by constantly pestering you. In addition, its easier to get better setups at home, when we remote last March I was finally able to go from a laptop and a single monitor to a full 3 monitor setup. Working from home is not an excuse if you're an even semi-competent developer.
WOW is like that toxic ex that keeps promising they’ll change and you keep going back to give them chances and you are often met with disappointment. At some point you have to realize that things might never go back to how they once were or they won’t improve and you have to move on… it’s hard but you have to do it. Once they so you having fun and doing good. They might come back to you and try harder to show you why they changed.
There is this ongoing legend about WoW killer game that one day gonna be released. Truth there won't be any other mmo, Blizzard will destroy his own creation more soon than later judging by what's going on now.
Bruh watch them panic and drop Diablo IV before it's even finished
they dont even need d4, they have D-inmortal, that chinese money is gonna cover the people that quit wow
Blizzard is garbage….
Would look weird to me lol
@@startechstudios6114 Activision is garbage, Blizzard is nothing but a shell company at this point.
Edited for spelling.
I'm playing the hell out of the D2 remake but I have zero faith on D4 coming out anytime soon.
BTW the D2 remake is being developed by an Activision studio, not Blizzard, I guess old Bobby didn't want a second coming of Reforged. Maybe that's why it actually looks good.
Blizzard cooking: “you guys want me to cook some steak?”
Blizzard customers: “wow yes that sounds nice!”
*microwave beeps commence*
That because all Activision care about is money
Chef Mike.
Underrated comment.
@@DarkRa Nah blizzard cares about money
@@DarkRa that’s because people get lazy when they start thinking about money. They should’ve worried about continuing to make a good game.
The rate of creators uploading serious videos ending in heartwrenching memory compilations is killing me, man
So many multiple-year channels and communities just... ending all at the same time
Losing Preach needs to be a huge wakeup call for Activision Blizzard. He's right about all of it. They drove it into the ground, making the game less rewarding and adding all these awful systems with random chances to get what you need. Even casuals like me got wrecked with this expansion, it's not just domination shard junk. Bobby needs to lay down the law and fix Blizzard. Thumbs up.
Should have started playing just now like me. I came back after 5 years and find it decently enjoyable. lol I’ll play for two months and then quit again for another year +.
I didn't even finish leveling and shadowlands. I was going to play burning crusade but after all this I made the switch to final fantasy XIV
Blizz need to learn the hard way that these constant RNG farms designed to keep players playing isnt engaging content. You know whats really engaging? Good fucking content. Content that actually rewards your time investment.
@@SamoIsKing And there's SO much content out there. Hundreds of mounts, thousands of pets, millions of transmog choices, etc.
They could literally go to a voucher system for new content (don't get a gear drop this week but if you run 3 weeks and still don't have the gear off this boss for doing it than turn in your 3 vouchers for a piece) and completely eliminate the previous expansions RNG components (or better clearing previous content JUST gets you voucher tokens to buy transmog variants of gear from those dungeons/raids if done >+5 levels higher. But that's just my opinion.
Bobby needs to fuck off more like
Holy shit so many streamers are just straight up quitting lol. This is insane.
it won't last. i guarantee you that. streamers just ride the trends. quitting wow is trendy right now. they'll be back once this blows over
@@twinblade63 only sohai players will support the game
@@twinblade63 100%
About time. All I heard all the time from literally every streamer for a few years now was how unhappy they were playing a game they hated. We need like a rehab center for WoW players
@@twinblade63 nah, anyone would leave given how malignant and distasteful Blizzard has been. Being toxic to their supporters and community? Geez, unless you're a delusional idiot and continues to play, you're better off without WoW in your life.
Popular streamers have been leaving WoW years ago, now just became an upsurge due to Blizzard's scandal. SCANDAL.
Lol they literally forgot to do Archeology in Shadowlands. Oops entire profession gone. There is also a Dwarf racial for it. Oops entire race's passive ability gone.
forgot that shit existed lmao
They intended not to put archeology in SL for lore reasons
@@ogrimardillo5229 imagine finding first ones lore
@@Sorrowdusk No. The brokers are the closest thing and they are majorily against us like most of the Ethereals in TBC. Archaeology for lore reasons was never intended to be in the shadowlands because for lore reasons you wont bring things back out of the afterlife.
I 100% believe the reason they will give for anima powers not working on azeroth is the same reason the heart of azeroth doesnt work in the shadowlands.
@@ogrimardillo5229 Imagine believing this excuse
Preach is amazing. He has stuck to his guns and rode it out. When it’s time, it’s time.
WoW is falling apart before our eyes. Cant believe it.
It's been falling apart since OG BC, the acquisition from Activision and Tencent sealed the deal along with the recent allegations. Every single company will have some sort of sexual harassment issue one way or another, hate to say it, it is just how the company acts or deals with it.
It’s happening a lot faster than I thought it would.
It is and it's beautiful.
I can, I called this over 4 years ago. I work in the video game dev industry, and was able to spot that sinking ship a mile away. I knew WoW was on the decline and was never getting better.
@@archnemesis0513 So true. After BC the lore started to lose the plot too, and they just kept squandering the lore more and more over time. The details of this situation are especially damning though. I mean an employee committed suicide after a truly horrific situation of physical sexual exploitation by her boss and sexual abuse from a large number of her male coworkers. They shared photos of her naked in public at a holiday party and faced no consequences. Physical sexual harassment (groping, menacing advances, jabbing) seems to be happening on a mass scale too. Most companies will never have a situation like that. There are good people there too, but I really wonder which group is larger and what the exact proportions of this are.
I love WoW, nothing would make me happier that to see it come to an end. 17 years is a long time.
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
The game should have been shut down after WotLK imo, maybe even before that. It was amazing when it was good.. but it went downhill so fast after TBC
"Why don't you stick around to help the innocent people in the company?"
Because if you do that, that sends the executives a *clear* message they can get away with anything and use their downtrodden employees as a guilt shield to keep you from flexing the only power you have that can drive change in the company.
Yes, it's going to suck for the good people in Blizzard if you choose not to play WoW, but the alternative is to keep playing a game that doesn't make you happy, while also forcing these employees into being living shields from criticism.
So this
True
Innocent, of what?
Guilt by association is a real thing.
@@Derek147900 Oh shut the fuck up.
@@Derek147900 because it's totally the same thing right? Bombing a fucking hospital vs boycotting a billionaire company, the only language they'll understand is money, no change will happen if you keep giving them money
Looks like Butters called it all those years ago. We all should have been playing Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Oh jeez the ancient call
Hello Catgirl Eorzean Adventure
Hello kitty island adventure is exactly how I think when I see FF tbh
@@harrylong2796 Hoo boy wait till u see Genshin, you will lose your mind KEKW
WoW RUclips streamers = Butters.
It really is so sad. But at this point its obvious that WoW is blizzard's cash cow, not their passion project. I decided to move my Rogue that I have had since vanilla. Parked him in the Crossroads for his retirement and uninstalled. Good bye Preach, Good bye WoW. Thanks for the memories.
See you in the next expansion xD
Come to Warmane or Ascension WoW M8!
It's sad, I've played this game for 15 years, my dad introduced me to Vanilla and TBC, I finally quit last year, because I felt absolutely depressed with the state of Warcraft, and Blizzards BS attitude towards employees and customers. I can definitely say I'm done with Wow and all Blizzard games in general.
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@@sardaarkhan5860 gib TBC and then we talking
Yeah it sucks. Been playing since Vanilla and I quit in BFA. I just couldn't anymore. I wasn't having fun or anything no matter what I did to try and spice it up. It felt like work. And when I realized that I was like, "nah"
all the reasons you want, but stop hiding at bullsht reasons that you stop wow because of the attitude towards employees and customers.... if you honestly stopped because of that you wouldnt be able to do anything in life anymore...
Come to Warmane or Ascension WoW, they are great servers!
While baldman's and preach's hairlines are flourishing, blizzard is now the one malding and losing all the hairline over Cali lawsuit. Kekw how the tables have turned. No hairline rules forever.
i mean as a company they are still doing good economy wise
@Gzus Kreist AND THATS A GOOD THING
@@elburritoboy3944 have you seen their stock prices? They are plumetting my guy. When the CEO issues a statement to damage control you know its messed up.
@@aymanbhr4436 I check their stock daily, they only went down about 6% so far. When they released WoD they went down 50% and went up to their peak again after that. So 6% is nothing for them. Yesterday they went up 2% as well so no they are not plumetting.
Is asmon doing something for his hairline?
Well guys, so many years, so many memories...It was a hell of a run! See you all in another game, ggwp...
Pretty ironic, the WoW killer was WoW itself. You know you messed up when the people that no life the game for over a decade start quitting.
+1.. bye...
You are using "was WoW itself" in a past tense term it is still by far the most popular mmo and still the most fun regardless of the systems the endgame beats all others. Keep sucking down that copium!!!
@@Wigglez50 just give it some time its in free fall
@@Wigglez50 WoW is actually at an all time low right now, several other MMOs have more active players by a decent margin currently. Between all the things players have been complaining about coupled with the lawsuit, the game is quickly dying if not already dead. My guild went from daily over 100 online at peak hour down to 20 in just the past month. And every large guild I know of is in a similar place.
@@Wigglez50 idk what you’re talking about lol. Their sub numbers are dropping rapidly.
"Because they don't play the game" I think a better explanation for all of their downfall in wow is "They hate their players" it has been proven time and time again. Even said multiple times. Blizzard hate their players.
I still remember when the Diablo 3 devs were shit talking the players and their competition (PoE, Torchlight, etc) Especially after a fellow dev, of earlier Diablos that had left, criticized the game.
I think “hate” is a strong word, I think they just “don’t care”, the most important for them is fun on paper and not the real reactions
They hate the players as much as they hate the women workers. It's an evil capitalist company
@randomguy8196 a pure capitalist company do not care about people's right and would allow children labor, deal with it mate
@randomguy8196
He’s a radical leftist, don’t bother with facts
Been spending a long time back seating and deciding whether to get into wow or ff14. This happened with blizzard so now I'm playing ff14 and I gotta say the game is a blast
So much more community and kindness. Maybe if the guys making wow weren't idolizing Cosby, not for his comedy, but sexual "prowess" then there might be a thought outside of their own self gratification.
Guild Wars 2 (:
I miss when I could just connect and chill in WoW, and do raiding once a week. Now ? It feels like a job : I have to log in daily, do boring stuff IN ORDER TO have a chance of bereing accepted into raids
This is why the guild I was in disbanded and I have stopped playing not long after that. I play to have fun not another job.
You mean like in classic?
It's the player power bullshit. Your time in game should be doing the fun things in game like M+, raids on alts, mount farm, older raids, and etc.
Just stop and find yourself a new occupation. You will be more happy, fuck this company!
@@jayroc80-92 But this is exactly what I'm doing in the game.
When I quit playing WoW 4-5 years ago, I just accepted that the game was no longer for me. It was difficult but I did it without any real hard feelings toward Blizzard and so I still continued to enjoy their other games. As time went on however it became increasingly obvious that Blizzard devs think themselves superior to their fans and player base. They believed that it was up to them to tell us what we want and that actually listening to players was beneath them. And so about 2 years ago I decided enough was enough and just boycotted Blizz/Activision altogether. You want to believe yourselves superior to me Blizz? Well you can do it without my money.
Blizzard hasn't been Blizzard because it not Blizzard it been Activision
Overwatch being shifted to Overwatch 2 instead of updating it was a big problem.
Really felt this. I still love the lore and made some friends along the way but it's just not the same. /unsubbed since 2018.
@@InnovateRobert I still don't understand why they need Overwatch 2. unless it's because they working on a new game engine i see no reason to do that
I'm so proud of your entertainment consumption decisions
"Whenever you were working in the office you were making garbage too".. Best line.. So true.
I can't believe I am a grown ass man and I feel sad over a game. After 16 years I finally have to admit it's over.
it's so fucking sad man...
I literally can not see myself play a WoW ever again.
Yup, time flies friend.
@@choonbox private server. You won't be supporting Blizzard that way.
15 years for me man. I'm so sad.
I remember a time when you could buy a game from blizzard even if you didn't test it before. It was known that if blizzard did it, it's good .. those times are gone…
It does indeed seem like an entire era is ending.
I know there have been times in the past where it feels like "WoW is dying"... but man it's never looked this dire
Games, especially MMO's, rarely die in the traditional sense, and rarely die fast with some exceptions, WoW has been dying for years now, these last few years have just been the end of what started long ago.
@@RoxxiTheDiceGoblin Also WoW's playerbase is getting older and it seems like new blood really isn't that frequent in coming. My nephew's and nieces don't know about WoW, don't talk about, don't care about it and one of them is a teenager so the exact demographic you'd be aiming for. Less new people interested means less people replacing those that burn out and move on.
And Blizzard as done sweet fuck all to try to court the newer generation. Instead it desperately clings to it's aging playerbase like a parasite and, much like a Parasite, seeks to siphon off as much cash as it can to grow swollen and bloated before falling off and the player walks away.
WoW isn’t dying.. it’s dead. People have been beating it’s corpse for years.
@@luketfer Excellent Point, compare that to 14 that did 0 advertising during Covid because Yoshi wasn't comfortable with taking advantage of the situation and well... that says more than I ever could about the differences.
@@OneFiveYankee True true, I do think WoW will "survive", even if it's shut down, private servers will always exist, it'll fade into obscurity at this rate.
"In theory the game works perfectly!"
- Blizzard probably
"On paper, the numbers work out. I'm sure all that stuff we didn't factor into the equation won't matter, and I'm sure the fact that we got an un-paid, sexually harassed intern to do the maths won't have any negative effect!"
@@robertfancyman3873 Unpaid, sexually harassed and after they have finished writing a 500 word essay on why they need to go to toilet more than once a day*
IT JUST WORKS! XD
I'm imagining seeing Karl Marx pointing at some chart while saying that.
Activision you mean not blizzard. It been so long since it been blizzard lol
It really bums me out to see you guys going through this. I'm glad the gaming community has people like you and Preach to take a stand and tell them how wrong this is.
MadSeason, Swifty, Preach... just to name a few. Noticed tonight during prime time on my realm that nothing was very busy at all. Not my covenant, not Oribos, not even Korthia was all that busy. The game is dying and Blizzard is holding the smoking gun. I actually fired up my Albion Online account again tonight. Such a neat sandbox MMO. Been kinda fun to tinker around with it again. I think I'm pretty much done with WoW like so many others. Been a wild ride over the years. Started playing in late vanilla and only quit once for a year during Cata. But all good things come to an end.
Swifty quit wow to, when? Why? Wtf
@@MarcosLugao time to let it go, end of an era.
@@MarcosLugao WoW is dead. Endwalker (FFXIV) will be the final nail in the coffin
@@MarcosLugao Haven't actually confirmed he's quitting the game but his last video on his twitch channel is titled: "Swifty last WoW stream"
I get why they half ass content when they dump it all next expansion anyway.
Everyone: "How about we keep going with character customization, everyone seemed to really LOVE what we got so far!"
Devs: "Na, lets just add another super convoluted and broken system instead. The kids love those"
I haven't played wow in 8 years now, but i still love to check in now and again and let myself remember the fun i had when i had time to raid.... watching all these people i followed avidly quit and seeing what wow has become makes my heart hurt.
@@korenn9381 tbc was may favorite time to raid. I loved all the ones i did. It took so much time and patience. I was the MT for my guild, idk but karazan will always be my favorite place, it wasnt hard but just fun.
I’m happy this is happening. I love the franchise but this corporate cold company that Blizzard has become is disgusting and in top of that, now they’re bad at making games.
There’s no reason for us as gamer to support this bullshit any longer.
Agreed. Uninstalled every Blizz game on my computer. Not supporting that bs company anymore. It's time for wow to close it's eyes
As much as i value my time playing wow i feel its time to just move on honestly blizzard is disgusting
Its days like this that I miss TotalBiscuit the most. His deep British voice is sorely missed.
The greatest game critic for sure.
In a way I’m kind of glad he didn’t have to see blizzard in the state they are in
He was a disgusting human being, but I'm glad you liked him
@@Quantumfluxfield let the dead rest wherever they may be
@@Quantumfluxfield why would you say that bout him? What did he do?
I didn't quit WoW just because of the harrassment issues, I quit in addition to them.
Sad to see Preach leaving but given the recent direction of WoW it kind of felt like writing on the wall. Systems on top of Systems and a convoluted mess of retconned lore, unwillingness to listen to the community and it's amazing content creators like Preach himself. The game is a shadow of it's former glory.
Well I hope Preach finds his way over to Final Fantasy.
At least a shadow will go away eventually.
@@codyrockwood15 yes perhaps fade away with the dust as it crumbles into that.
Next, we're going to see an RNG item drop system called "anima infused" and the content will randomly drop items with special effects on them, and there won't be a vendor to get the ones that are important for your class until a few months before 9.3. Really looking forward to 9.2
It always comes around full swing
Kind of crazy that as soon as this allegation case came to light it was like the final straw for all wow players who played for years. We learned why the game was going downhill and now we’re through with it
Reminds me of when I found out that my ex was losing their mind because they were going around smoking meth while I was at work. I put up with so much and never gave up on them until I found out why it was happening.
This is what years of screwing customers finally bring, lots of angry people that are finally saying no more :0
I actually quit today. I used to play for hours and days on end with the earlier expansions, but each one just feels worse and worse to me. I just can't play this game anymore. It's such a huge time investment for such paltry rewards.
I wouldn't call it a straw as much as the elephant that broke the camel's already strained back.
2 seconds mentioning actual crimes and the rest of the video talking about shit he was totally ok taking a paycheck to moan about. Rats off a ship mate.
@@amyrainbow237 just because someone was willing to tolerate some bullshit yesterday, doesn't mean they will be tomorrow. That's why people refer to these situations as "the straw that broke the camel's back."
Idk, it's bad but it wouldn't make me unsub, when I unsub it will be because I'm bored of the game
Thermonuclear bomb dropped on top of a nuclear reactor that’s already undergoing meltdown.
Multiple elephants quickly adding up.
Blizzard "Time extension mechanics" feel like EA "surprise mechanics" to me :(
World of reputation
Remove blizzard and out Activision
Plenty of people saying it's "just a game."
It seems they haven't committed enough time to anything to understand the separation? Or be emotionally attached to something they enjoyed?
im having an existential crisis. (if thats the right use)
years into this game. and now it seems its all going away with the flip of a server switch. feels like city of heros all over again.
I hate that mentality so very much. It's like the woman who told me to "get another one" when my cat died, or my parents getting mad at *me* when I was devastated that they cut down a tree I loved since childhood.
"It's just a cat." "It's just a tree." "It's just a game." No, it *fucking* isn't. It's just things that people have real emotional attachment for, and a little empathy would go a long way.
I only played WoW because my friends did, so this is easy to walk away from for me. For my buddy who had memories of playing the game when it came out with his now-deceased grandfather? Not quite as simple.
@@JimBobDewayne you can say that about most things. A lot of things aren’t good for you if you can’t control it but WOW in the past was good for people. Stop reinforcing a stereotype that all gamers are unfit and unhealthy. I play games like 7 hours a day but I do well in school and go to the gym 6 days a week.
As much crap as I give Bungie as a D2 player, BOY I’m happy they split from Activision. They didn’t dodge a bullet, they dodged an artillery shell
I remember when Activision was awesome. It was 1992.
@@kalasmournrex1470 The competition were fierce back then. If your game suck no one buying your game. Also we didn't have live service BS back then, if your game unplayable on day 1 there's no way to fix them on the fly. Well unless you want update your game from dial up which is impractical.
Just tested D2 again after a couple of years. D2 sucks a ton today still... Even more with this shit "Seasons" cashgrab system, bungie is also a shady company. Not just on the levels of blizzard tho. This is unheard of, just watching every development on the state of this lawsuit etc is just... Insanity.
@@Zarozh D2 absolutely still sucks, but I actually think Bungie listens to the community quite well, except they have their famous “monkey paw” where they implement a change at the cost of making some other thing significantly worse. If it wasn’t for the incredible gameplay and the communities that I’m a part of for D2, I would’ve quit.
@@onyonrong9244 I see i see, i feel the gameplay is still shit. Just as bad as it was day1, then the "new" expansions etc are just... Even more shit, and the game is basicly a pay DLC game that still forces you to pay for a "season" pass aswell. And that makes me... Annoyed when we got f2p games that beats it by miles.
The gaming genere atm is in a... Real shit stance.
Seeing what’s Been happening to the women of blizzard sylvannas makes a whole lot more sense. How can they work on the final product when it’s beer crawl time guys
@@blaskbulwark2881 Was gonna ask why, then I remembered the part about chasing the Accuser around, big yikes
Dudes got it too.
I haven't played WoW for years, last time I had fun watching Asmongold's was during his iron man runs. I watch Preach for the Drama Time which is a lot of fun. Both of you make really good hosts for many different videos, though I don't play (not even FF14), it's fun to watch you two have fun while I'm at work.
I think it’s Ironic the expansion that is killing wow is based around Death and the underworld. Just me? Ok then
Nah I was thinking about that too. They saw the end coming towards the end of bfa when the investigation was first getting underway. They knew it was going to be bad, hell, there's the 4chan meme that was supposedly done by ion about 'if you only knew how bad things really are.' My guess is they wanted to go out on their own terms, the big bad wins and rewrites history. Wow will be shutdown for years after this perhaps and once either the IP is sold off to another team or the smoke has settled enough, wow 2 will be released.
@@jamestomlin5525 I hope so, thats the good ending.
@@kye4216 ye shadowlands is definitely better than BFA. This whole thing have just been coming for a long time and blizzard does nothing to solve stuff and make players happy.
@@PlantTube. I do too, this crap needs to be put down already.
@@Sorrowdusk hopefully right up once their doors close and they shut down 🤣
Really sad to see Preach go, but damn he's right about the state of the game.
@@No_OneV More like it is hard to believe it took this long. It takes a Blizzard company boycotting itself to get him to budge. Power to him though for finally leaving unlike a certain Taliesin and Bellular... They can't really preach that they want positive change for the game AND log in at this point, right? Right?!
@@Dooger414 bellular has been covering and playing FF14 recently. He's only covering WoW stuff atm revolving around this whole debacle.
He will still be around, he will just be having fun in better games.
Preach will be back. He's using the recent abuse allegations against Activision Blizzard to attract attention to his brand, and to virtue signal.
We all should quit
I hear the music of the game and so much want to play it, then I remember how bored I was the last time I played.
Shadow lands enticed me to maybe give WoW a shot, but now I'm fine staying with OSRS and my fighting games.
Ironman?
Those are good
I played to max level and got tired of it. Plus Blizzard just sucks, they really do hate the players and look at them like annoying wallets.
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle Truth bro, they seem to see us as an annoyance rather than the reason they still exist. The old Blizzard would never have done such a thing, they were awesome.
To be honest, shadowlands is almost as bad as BFA. It’s actually crazy how out of touch Blizzard is with the changes they make
I started with swifty, athene, madseason, preach, bellular, asmon.
* also Bajheera
Also Pyromancer
@@Oxynium no
@@bucky7162 Check his twitch Clips, he said in one of live streams he quits wow until it gets much much better. He u installed the game.
@@Oxynium So? we arent talking about who quit the game we are talking about legends on the wow scene and who started us watching. Pyromancer is NOT on that list lol he is a nobody compared to athene and swifty etc.
The thing with the percentage nerfs hits me so hard, look at League of Legends fine tuning, and especially look at the Cryteks video called Hunt Showdown, the patch changes, in test and live, are so miniscule but have a great impact. The changes in there are at most difference by 2-4% differences. That is fine tuning. Going into a system and be like "Here, 50%, go bash skulls" isn't.
Next: 'Asmon Reacts to Bellular Quitting WoW'
WoW without Bellular would be a beautiful thing
@@glizzywrangler774 not true. Wow isn't a beautiful thing at its core right now
@@glizzywrangler774 I am not juding but I am curious? Why? I have not seen too much of his videos
@sephlock I need that
Sheer nostalgia was the thin thread that kept most people playing.
I played since Vanilla. I took a 2 year break right before Legion, and came back last year. I regret it because I absolutely loved running Legion, but as someone running it a first time, it was disappointing to see stuff like Legendary items with effects deactivated and pretty much useless. Just seemed pointless to run for gear, even though it was fun to quest through the zones. They realize they fucked up something and instead of fixing it, nah, let's just get rid of it. And they keep repeating it. So many missed opportunities.
Like the looterang. Back then it was very convenient. Then they made it expansion locked.
for me it started with cataclysm had a retribution paladin lvl 43 trouble with lvl 46 elite mobs before the patch that applied cataclysm.
after that patch i logged in was the same place but 3 of the 46 elite mobs aggro me and i slay them in under 5 minutes. raged quit at that moment
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Imagine being one of the people who purchased 6 months before all this shit hit the fan.
Yes here I am
In 6 months you didn't outplay wow if you're new
And I will still be playing everyday in those 6 months.
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What happened?
I started in WOTLK and was blown away. I tried every expansion after that and was constantly let down.
The moment Asmon formally quits the game himself is going to solidify WoW's inevitable death
TRUE
I think he should announce hes quitting even if its not for good. Maybe itd help motivate blizzard to fix their game. Although asmon said before blizzard wouldn't care if he quits but I'd like to put that to the test
TRUE AND REAL DOOD
Soon. Hopefully.
it’s coming soon. he already said he’s not going to be playing much anymore so that he can play games he actually enjoys.
And there goes the only reason I’d ever hear about WoW content left. I’ll still follow Preach, of course!
Asmongold 2021 : "Everything makes sense if you work under the premise that they dont actually play the game"
So true , so depressingly unbelievably true.
this is actually sad af preach is the godfather of covering WOW
That is swifty, but preach was his son, while asmon the angry grandchild
Never heard of him til now.
Not playing WoW is the meta for WoW right now
i agree watch this trend dies down after a week and ppl move on
I'd love to see Asmon reactto the full rant preach went on over on the highlights channel.
Like he REALLY laid into Blizz, even about their overall treatment of him throughout the years compared the the "new blood" that was coming in.
"I'm not emotionally invested in Wendy's, well I am but not in that way" LMAO!!
Funny thing is his Wendy's no burgers analogy I actually had happen with Arby's and roast beef one night
I'm glad I am not the only person who busted out laughing at that comment
I stopped playing wow because I was playing more of the old content than I was current.
its the only reason I even play at this point.
@@PlantTube. same here
Out of all the people quitting this one is bar far the saddest to me personally.
Been watching Preach for so long man
It's blatantly clear how much Preach cared about the game, the community and the devs.
He put so much effort into trying to improve the game
Chat overdosing on Copium screaming "Just like FF14 Omegalul" Everytime they say something bad about the current state and trajectory of WoW.
I haven't seen Asmongold genuinely enjoying streaming a game until he got into FF14. He's obviously having a great time on FF14 and all this small portion of his audience is in denial about it.
WoW andies always on Copium, im gonna quit and go play something else if blizz keeps fucking up, the chickens are coming home to roost
He loved dark souls
People may hate on WoD but remember in HFC how cool the legendary rings were compared to shards of domination. Having everyone coordinate their rings and then use burst and have huge massive hits or heals, was such a more creative and fun item.
I did see this already but good for Preach, and hope he can transition to multiple games but most importantly is happy doing it.
I have much sympathy for people who are stuck with making WoW content as a living and are too small to move away from WoW.
As King Terenas once said, "Can you feel it, my son, closing in all around you? The Light's justice has been awakened. The sins of the past have finally caught up to you. You will be called to account for all the atrocities you've committed, the unspeakable horrors you've let loose upon this world, and the dark, ancient powers you've enslaved. Though my soul was one of the first to be devoured by your evil, there are thousands more bound within this blade, and they cry out for release. Look now to your defenses, my son, for the champions of justice gather at your gates". Blizzard challenges that call to arms, this time unlike at ice icecrown there will never again be a lich king.
Quote probably written by a serial abuser.
"Oh, new patch, time to vendor all this gear I farmed, because there's literally no attachment to it, and it's just a reskinned model of 1 out of 4 different gear pieces they made for the whole xpac."
They're making the time investment require more, and more to do just simple normal raid runs, while also devaluing EVERYTHING you get out of it. It's so fuckin bad, that trash has to drop COSMETIC BoEs. I'm so fuckin tired of this shit, and to top it off, instead of working on this game I pay pretty big bucks for, they're too busy getting plastered and harrasing chicks at work. I thought WoD was going to be the largest shit they could have taken on my pillow, but then I resubbed for SL's, the last patch of BFA, only to see the train wreak never ended, it's still derailing.
I agree with you except for the fact that you're paying big bucks for the game. The expacs are no more cost than a regular new game, and the sub is 15 a month.
That's not big bucks.
Unless you're buying 5 tokens a week.
@@codyrockwood15 Okay, what's WoW's lifetime? What's your time played on your main? Do some math, get back to me how much you've dumped over the years into this game. Include the xpacs, account for days you paid for time, but couldn't play the game. Account for all of the money Blizzard milks out of a single individual and tell me what they've done to show an investment into their game, company, and employees, with the years of sub and xpac money. Tell me how much time you played WoD and tell me it was better than The Witcher 3, or GTAV. Tell me an expac is worth as much as a whole new game, when they've been reusing assets from the OG blizz team?
It's big bucks, if you understand the realm it exist in. I think you're mistaken and just assumed it wasn't "big bucks" because you didn't care to consider every good, and terrible thing, you paid money and time for.
@@budsvan12 I mean, yew, blizz isn't up to snuff compared to what they have been.
But they're still the best game out there. I've played since 2007. And I'd I had a problem with all the money I've sunk into the game, then I wouldn't stopped a long time ago.
Don't get me wrong, I understand completely where you're coming from. And yes, blizzard has alot of making up to do with their customers. Especially ones that have stuck it out through thick thick then. But the game is still pretty much the best out there.
And certainly the best in its genre.
Activision getting involved was the WORST thing that could happen to wow. And I was screaming that from day one.
I still believe that to be true.
@@codyrockwood15 I just think you underestimate what big bucks can look like in gaming, they're the "best in the genera" because they used to invest into it, what's the state and stats of modern Blizzard? I respect your opinion, and I'm sure you've enjoyed the investment you put into the game, but for me man, them making progress worthless, xpacs a "season pass" like adventure, and just shitting out the most blatant money grabbing they can makes it hard for me to understand how you're content investing all the time and money into a company that no longer feels the need to impress us anymore. They won't hold the monikers you referenced for long, and as many have said. WoW is the biggest WoW killer on the market.
@@budsvan12 so I did the math, and over the years my sub cost has come to around almost $3,000. So I was wrong.
You're right, that is big money going into a game that doesn't proportionatly return the investment back Into the game anymore.
I just hope they pull their head out kf there ass, and that these new announced changes are actually the start of them on the road to redemption.
I remember when every class felt different as far as the gameplay. Now they are all the same with their charge bars.
The WoW killer was not an other game... It was WoW/Blizzard himself.
A Wow Suicide... and not even the Clinton kind
Actually i did always enjoy Preach's WoW content. But in the last few years, i realized how i watched him less and less, but it wasn't because i didn't like his channel anymore! The only reason was, that i didn't want to play WoW anymore and as such, didn't want to watch content about it.
Looking forward to your new projects and ideas! Will definitely check it out.
Preach is an OG Streamer and one of the first ones i started watching. To see him broken up kills me.
I'm considering quitting wow as well. after 11 years of playing it since I was 6 years old I'm extremely sad and disappointed in blizzard for destroying my childhood game
I feel for you. I played since release and started with Bliz back in the 90's. It hurts.
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@@netherstream sorry i dont like it, thanks for the offer tho ill wait for ashes of creation looks nice
All these streamers making goodbye videos remind me of a lover breaking it off with someone they used to love. Joking aside being a 15 year player I understand and I’m heartbroken too.
The good thing about FFXIV for instance is that when a class is unbalanced (too powerful) instead of nerfing it and frustrate the players, they buff other classes and fights to balance them
You know things are bad when a public figure says "It's time to give up on..." in the first breath.
So glad I just stopped about 10 years ago and just watched this unfold from a distance
I've never seen anything like this...an entire community giving up on the thing they love at the same time. It's mind boggling.
It feels good
@@catch.22 it's also kind of sad.
so far even through how shitty the gaming space is this is the worse one ive ever seen, even disregarding the harrassment issues.
I doubt everyone loves it, it's just nothing pushed them to leave lmao
Chris came out and blamed "everyone else but me" and "all men but me" and "the toxic users". His responsibility but he refuses to take any.
Whenever I hear the argument that the pandemic makes a game's issues okay, I think about it like this. They still charged full price. They still charge your WoW subscription for the same price. CoD Cold War launched with the least amount of content in CoD launch history, but they still charged $60-$70 with a battle pass + microtransactions, and all I heard was "but the pandemic" no fuck you. The pandemic is a perfectly fine reason for reduced content and quality of it, but not to still charge full price, or even release unfinished shit in the first place.