If they made this car just a regular petrol or hybrid, or even just EV and made it for around 120k, this would be probably the best halo car of all time...
All what people wanted was a car with this shape. Not some experimental hydrogen car. Just the shape and an full electric, hybrid or combustion engine.
Hydrogen, the most abundant element, but.... It is always attached to something else. It takes energy to separate it. It leaks constantly because how do you contain the smallest atom. It has the lowest energy density by volume. To keep it in a small container it must be super cooled and under high levels of pressure. It is a fools errand to pursue Hydrogen for vehicles. Heavy transportation sector ok maybe worth it but synethic fuels from 100% recycled carbon is probably better, but also an incredibly difficult problem to solve. It is a super awesome looking car. Shame they are pricing out of reach of the non 1%
Hyundai Motor Company has advanced hydrogen storage tank technology There is. (It doesn't leak even if you shoot it) And Korea has properties similar to hydrogen LPG gas cars have been in production for more than 25 years Modernity has a lot of experience And Hyundai is developing a new hydrogen car This new car is aimed at selling at a popular price
Hyundai hydrogen generator is multipurpose. It will undoubtedly become a mobile, decentralized and independent energy solution for cities in the future.
you missed a big part of the why it will be built, out of the 200, 70 will be sold to customer, the rest to race teams for the N74 spec racing series, its more a test plateform than a road car
biermann has a point, but if hyundai was to listen to him the n74 wouldn't exist and it's the first car in decades i've been excited about. I just want it to exist and it's not like I can afford a new car anyway so makes no difference to me. Biermann's idea of an affordable track car is different to mine which is an 800 dollar golf with the seats stripped out.
Hyundai Motor hydrogen generator is multipurpose. It will undoubtedly become a mobile, decentralized and independent energy solution for cities in the future.
Ever since I first laid eyes on the N74, I've lusted after it. No other car except for the R34 Skyline has brought that level of desire out in me. Of course, the more I've learned about the car, the less attractive it has become. Not physically; it's still STUNNINGLY beautiful. But literally everything else about it has zero appeal to me. Which is fine, it's not a car designed with people like me in mind, as Bierman so rightly pointed out. And I don't blame Hyundai for wanting to do what they are planning on doing with this car. My hope is that in a few years, they will release a spiritual little sister to this car, that takes a lot of the aesthetic cues from this car, and puts them in to something built for enthusiasts, something accessible to the masses, or at least to those who want it. Until then, I'll tool around in my GR Corolla, and have a blast. And maybe one day I'll get that R34...
I ain't a tattoo kind of person , but if the N74 really come out , I might consider one of IT drifting in my back 😏 I mean , I'm a DeLorean fan for the look all the way and the N74 just look twice as much AWESOME !!! Soo Yeah ! I'd really like to see one in a show ! AND I'm 100% in favor of you're conclusion .
4:30 Hydrogen being the most abundant element in the universe is a completely moot point... the big question is whether we can cheaply get it. Splitting hydrogen from water takes a huge amount of energy and a hydrogen cloud in space is obviously not a feasible source either. It's indeed a source that won't run out, but that does not make it a feasible/safe/good option yet.
The aviation industry is embracing hydrogen faster than cars. There will be a steady supply of it in the future, but this is still a decade or two away.
"there aren't many hydrogen power stations in the world" i myself am skeptical of hydrogen but that's a bad argument considering the same can be said for electric or even gasoline power stations when they first started out
Better arguments are: hydrogen fuel stations are incredibly expensive compared to even the first EV charging stations. So called 'green' and 'blue' hydrogen are still rare amongst the rest of the hydrogen. And the entirety of hydrogen is also rare. It's also quite costly while 'green' electricity was already on the rise and relatively cheap 10 years ago. But the best part is: to power an entire car centric country's car fleet like Germany's, there's a need for 150 TWh of electricity. To power the same number of hydrogen cars, you'd need at least 450 TWh. Oh and then there's the thing where green hydrogen (and all e-fuels) can reduce more carbon emissions if it replaces fossil fuels used in certain industry processes than if it was used in cars. And all worldwide existing and planned production facilities could barely cover these industrial needs of only one country: Germany. Which makes using them in cars less climate friendly than sticking to petrol. So the most climate friendly car remains the EV.
@@kooooonsthe idea is to use unused energy in the electric grid that gets dispersed into nature and store it into hydrogen. Imagine over a century of power generation and excess energy just gone into thin air. Capturing that would power a huge portion of hydrogen production. In Korea, they take hydrogen from steel production plants too.
I don't think Biermann can really say anything about what is right or not for car enthusiasts. Sure, he made M cars and now N cars. But he's stuck on combustion engines. And where that leads to can be seen with BMW today. The electeic vehicles that they have to make are way too expensive and way too ugly for anyone to buy, except a few companies that use them as tax breaks.
You just proved his point. He’s not stuck on petrol he’s stuck on what his market wants. As someone who has BMW Ms, I’m not interested in an electric M car. They’re too heavy and not practical. Electric van or sedan, sure if I had to, an electric M2, nah
Looks stunning. Other than the price I could just about make it work depending on the range of a tank full as I live in the UK close to the M25/M40 so could actually fuel it. Perhaps Hyundai will lend me one to test 😂
I suppose so. But if you're attacking it from the angle of simplicity, and efficiency of getting from a to b sure. But then, why would somebody ever buy a mid engined sports car in the same realm as a model 3? Because they don't start picking their nose after challenging the local BMW m5 competition to a drag race. I assume being in this can only feel somewhat comparable to an astronaut, what with having hydrogen fuel and blistering speed in common with a space shuttle.
Welp, I bet one of the largest car manufacturers in the world will know better than a random RUclips channel, if it's a 'Huge Mistake' to build that car, don't you ?
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Wow, it's as if huge multinational corporations, don't make decisions based on what a single individual has to say (even if that person is the "founder" of the division), but after taking into account a million different inputs from different divisions of the company! Who would have thought ?!
Why people from different places pronounce things differently is sometimes a mystery. In this case, it's not. 40 years of Hyundai-produced ads in the US have said "hun-day"
The one is Forza sure is cuz it fukn sucks can't do Jack shit with the car and it's slow asf but it looks cool that's it if only it wasn't electric then it would actually be cool
That ad was a marketing tool to raise brand awareness in the British market. They don't care how people say it. Every ad Hyundai has made for the US for 40 years has said "hun-day"
@OVERDRIVE.studios Interestingly, the UK ads had a different (incorreft) pronunciation hi-un-die. The American pronunciation is much closer to correct according to the latest ad!
THIS IS FUEL CELL CAR NOT H2 Combustion its full electric. it runs on the battery unless it need more power then battery can give it. then uses the fuel cell
It's kinda funny, that it's supposed to have a 62 kWh battery. That is 50% bigger than the one in my EV. The n74 Range is supposed to be 600 km in WLTP. Considering that 62 kWh could probably give you 400-450 km of WLTP, hydrogen only adds 150-200 km. And did everyone notice how much room the tanks and fuel cell tech takes up in the cutaway image? Honestly, why even bother with H2?
@@dominicg2456 Oh, you're right! I forgot to add: The Model 3 Performance of my boss uses a bit less energy than my boring commuter EV. if I'd shrink it's battery to 62 kWh I end up at 450 km. But, then again if I apply the consumption of a Taycan on a 62 kWh battery I end up with 430 km of range and the Taycan is huge and heavy. If I'd use my boring commuter EV for the calculation, I end up at 300 - 400 km. Huh, maybe I already took your hint into consideration even before your helpful advice 🤔
from the green tech / EV videos i've watched on yt, hydrogen doesn't seem like a good alternative, even if the tech is proven and clean. the infrastructure required is just very expensive, to store hydrogen you need to cool it down and liquefy it, which itself is a rather energy intensive process. liquefied hydrogen then requires heavy duty insulation, extremely low tolerances in its seals (hydrogen will sublimate and escape through most "solids" because the H2 molecule is just so tiny), and has to maintain some level of pressure (to keep the H2 liquid for longer). this means that H2 prep, storage, and pumping infrastructure all require a lot more tech and gets real pricey. at the same time, there is a pretty sizeable risk to having pressurised H2 tanks being on the road. while it's nice that the korean govt is investing in green tech and infrastructure... it's arguable whether hydrogen economy is really the most cost-effective investment.
Bro designed one car and told Lotus, DeLorean, and BMW it was three different designs 😂
Shhhh... (but it is a pretty good looking design)
@@OVERDRIVE.studios I agree
and now hyundai
That's the Guigaro way. Everything looks fairly similar, everything looks beautiful. For the most part
I have that Donut media hat
I, personally, love the design of the N74. Its futuristic, aggressive and it's a coupe.
Nah. It looks like 1980's Delorean
lol futuristic, it looks like it comes from the 80s. I love it but its the opposite of futuristic. Its retro.
@@Coen80 nah
@@majortom4543 dont agree, didnt ask
@@EnSnusTackif you didn't ask don't comment. Where do you think this place is? He's right anyways.
He left BMW's M Division to go Hyundai's N Division. Possibly retiring at another automaker's O Division.
Nah his retirement will be at the R division
This is the best case I've seen in a while for selling everything to live in your car
If they made this car just a regular petrol or hybrid, or even just EV and made it for around 120k, this would be probably the best halo car of all time...
I just want an affordable version of this car the looks are unbeatable
Styling is absolutely on point - would love to see it come to production close to this form.
This hydrogen experiment is going to be interesting. Learned a lot in this video actually thanks Tiernan.
All what people wanted was a car with this shape. Not some experimental hydrogen car. Just the shape and an full electric, hybrid or combustion engine.
had they manages to put it out for 35000 as a petrol/hybrid they could not buy enough shovel to stuff away the money they would have made..
If you want to buy a 775 HP car for $35,000, that's pure robbery.
@@user-ru2yl8ts9b”as a petrol/hybrid” different engine so not 775hp. 300hp with the weight saved would still be good
I would buy it even if it made 200 hp @@user-ru2yl8ts9b
Hydrogen, the most abundant element, but.... It is always attached to something else. It takes energy to separate it. It leaks constantly because how do you contain the smallest atom. It has the lowest energy density by volume. To keep it in a small container it must be super cooled and under high levels of pressure.
It is a fools errand to pursue Hydrogen for vehicles. Heavy transportation sector ok maybe worth it but synethic fuels from 100% recycled carbon is probably better, but also an incredibly difficult problem to solve.
It is a super awesome looking car. Shame they are pricing out of reach of the non 1%
Einstien said stupidity was more abundant than hydrogen!
Hyundai Motor Company has advanced hydrogen storage tank technology
There is. (It doesn't leak even if you shoot it)
And Korea has properties similar to hydrogen
LPG gas cars have been in production for more than 25 years
Modernity has a lot of experience
And Hyundai is developing a new hydrogen car
This new car is aimed at selling at a popular price
Hyundai hydrogen generator is multipurpose.
It will undoubtedly become a mobile, decentralized and independent energy solution for cities in the future.
More of this, please!
Rhats dope af. I love what Hyundai/Kia is doing with evs as well.
Every Supercar will always be a Gamble... Like what Toyota did with LEXUS to the famous LFA?!...
you missed a big part of the why it will be built, out of the 200, 70 will be sold to customer, the rest to race teams for the N74 spec racing series, its more a test plateform than a road car
Awesome! I hope that turns out to be true.
This design is too fucking good holy fuck
Sucks, it’s unobtainable for the masses
Car looks perfect but hydrogen is 💩, it should have been pure electric
Still can be. Or hoping at least hybrids
@@TheMindUnlocked yeah let's hope they smarten up!
it is PURE electric. its H2 FUEL CELL which is just a battery you recharge with more H2. its not H2 combustion
@@Elios0000 I know, I meant pure bev, hydrogen is 💩
bro where are the rest of the boys?
Design is amazing, price tag is ridiculous! Good info. Appreciate u!
So what car should I get to get the most amount of sportiness for the least amount of money?
So new, the mazda mx5 miata roadster, or perhaps a Toyota gr86? If you're talking even cheaper then might I suggest a hot hatch like a ford fiesta St.
Nice of you to cover this car! Though maybe next time a little less repetition of the PR departement would also be nice.
Keep it up!
biermann has a point, but if hyundai was to listen to him the n74 wouldn't exist and it's the first car in decades i've been excited about. I just want it to exist and it's not like I can afford a new car anyway so makes no difference to me. Biermann's idea of an affordable track car is different to mine which is an 800 dollar golf with the seats stripped out.
Hyundai Motor hydrogen generator is multipurpose.
It will undoubtedly become a mobile, decentralized and independent energy solution for cities in the future.
Ever since I first laid eyes on the N74, I've lusted after it. No other car except for the R34 Skyline has brought that level of desire out in me.
Of course, the more I've learned about the car, the less attractive it has become. Not physically; it's still STUNNINGLY beautiful. But literally everything else about it has zero appeal to me. Which is fine, it's not a car designed with people like me in mind, as Bierman so rightly pointed out. And I don't blame Hyundai for wanting to do what they are planning on doing with this car.
My hope is that in a few years, they will release a spiritual little sister to this car, that takes a lot of the aesthetic cues from this car, and puts them in to something built for enthusiasts, something accessible to the masses, or at least to those who want it. Until then, I'll tool around in my GR Corolla, and have a blast.
And maybe one day I'll get that R34...
I wonder who will be the first to 2JZ swap the N Vision 74 😂
N74 is not a pure hydrogen car. This car is a hybrid vehicle that combines a 62.4 kWh lithium-ion battery and 4.2 kg liquid hydrogen.
makes at least 1000 units per year
I love a lot of the body profile lines of the top of the car. Not sure of the lower lines of the car (feels like a different car was "tacked on").
Should make a base model with a battery pack and sell it for $35,000 not $350,000
It might still be profitable if Hyundai is getting tax breaks and incentives from the SK gov. Looks dope tho
i always thought the n74 had a DeLorean vibe to it... same designer no shit...
I ain't a tattoo kind of person , but if the N74 really come out , I might consider one of IT drifting in my back 😏 I mean , I'm a DeLorean fan for the look all the way and the N74 just look twice as much AWESOME !!! Soo Yeah ! I'd really like to see one in a show ! AND I'm 100% in favor of you're conclusion .
This car will break the market. Will be sold out as soon as its released.
4:30 Hydrogen being the most abundant element in the universe is a completely moot point... the big question is whether we can cheaply get it. Splitting hydrogen from water takes a huge amount of energy and a hydrogen cloud in space is obviously not a feasible source either. It's indeed a source that won't run out, but that does not make it a feasible/safe/good option yet.
The aviation industry is embracing hydrogen faster than cars. There will be a steady supply of it in the future, but this is still a decade or two away.
"there aren't many hydrogen power stations in the world"
i myself am skeptical of hydrogen but that's a bad argument considering the same can be said for electric or even gasoline power stations when they first started out
Better arguments are: hydrogen fuel stations are incredibly expensive compared to even the first EV charging stations. So called 'green' and 'blue' hydrogen are still rare amongst the rest of the hydrogen. And the entirety of hydrogen is also rare. It's also quite costly while 'green' electricity was already on the rise and relatively cheap 10 years ago. But the best part is: to power an entire car centric country's car fleet like Germany's, there's a need for 150 TWh of electricity. To power the same number of hydrogen cars, you'd need at least 450 TWh.
Oh and then there's the thing where green hydrogen (and all e-fuels) can reduce more carbon emissions if it replaces fossil fuels used in certain industry processes than if it was used in cars. And all worldwide existing and planned production facilities could barely cover these industrial needs of only one country: Germany. Which makes using them in cars less climate friendly than sticking to petrol. So the most climate friendly car remains the EV.
@@kooooonsthe idea is to use unused energy in the electric grid that gets dispersed into nature and store it into hydrogen. Imagine over a century of power generation and excess energy just gone into thin air. Capturing that would power a huge portion of hydrogen production. In Korea, they take hydrogen from steel production plants too.
I don't think Biermann can really say anything about what is right or not for car enthusiasts.
Sure, he made M cars and now N cars. But he's stuck on combustion engines. And where that leads to can be seen with BMW today. The electeic vehicles that they have to make are way too expensive and way too ugly for anyone to buy, except a few companies that use them as tax breaks.
You just proved his point. He’s not stuck on petrol he’s stuck on what his market wants. As someone who has BMW Ms, I’m not interested in an electric M car. They’re too heavy and not practical. Electric van or sedan, sure if I had to, an electric M2, nah
Looks stunning. Other than the price I could just about make it work depending on the range of a tank full as I live in the UK close to the M25/M40 so could actually fuel it. Perhaps Hyundai will lend me one to test 😂
EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has driven the car loves its GET REKT. why H2? because battery cant run long enough so use battery and fuel cell.
Gosh darnit I just want it to be fully electric. Hydrogen is such a mess.
it is fully electric it uses H2 fuel cells to supplement the battery
Congrats they dumped who knows how much to still not beat a
Model 3 that costs 20% 😂 less and is actually the future
I suppose so. But if you're attacking it from the angle of simplicity, and efficiency of getting from a to b sure. But then, why would somebody ever buy a mid engined sports car in the same realm as a model 3? Because they don't start picking their nose after challenging the local BMW m5 competition to a drag race. I assume being in this can only feel somewhat comparable to an astronaut, what with having hydrogen fuel and blistering speed in common with a space shuttle.
9:02 beerman left bmw because bmw M is saturated itself… m is on any damn bmw its pathetic. No longer for just m dedicated bmws.
Love this host.
Dibs
Is it just me or the host's volume is too low?
I love the BMW Vision Next.....oh wait...wot?
Make it electric and affordable and they won't be able to keep up with orders!
its electric its H2 fuel cell not H2 combustion
Welp, I bet one of the largest car manufacturers in the world will know better than a random RUclips channel, if it's a 'Huge Mistake' to build that car, don't you ?
The founder of Hyundai's N division said it was a mistake (we didn't). Watch the video to find out why!
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Wow, it's as if huge multinational corporations, don't make decisions based on what a single individual has to say (even if that person is the "founder" of the division), but after taking into account a million different inputs from different divisions of the company! Who would have thought ?!
I know, right? Just PSSSH blows your mind, you know?
BMW XM is an M exclusive car.
built on x7 platform 😂
Can you learn to pronounce it properly? Pronounce the Y!
Why people from different places pronounce things differently is sometimes a mystery. In this case, it's not. 40 years of Hyundai-produced ads in the US have said "hun-day"
It looks ok. Like a Delorean. So not really original.
Then there is the price. Whos paying. 365K for something that says Hiunday on it 😂😂😂
The Delorean design was based on a Hyundai concept designed by Giugiaro. That design predates the Delorean by 5 years.
The one is Forza sure is cuz it fukn sucks can't do Jack shit with the car and it's slow asf but it looks cool that's it if only it wasn't electric then it would actually be cool
No.
Hyundai literally made an advert because they're sick of people mispronouncing the brand. Americans anyway: HUN DAY.
That ad was a marketing tool to raise brand awareness in the British market. They don't care how people say it. Every ad Hyundai has made for the US for 40 years has said "hun-day"
@OVERDRIVE.studios Interestingly, the UK ads had a different (incorreft) pronunciation hi-un-die. The American pronunciation is much closer to correct according to the latest ad!
THIS IS FUEL CELL CAR NOT H2 Combustion its full electric. it runs on the battery unless it need more power then battery can give it. then uses the fuel cell
wow
revivan el español
It's kinda funny, that it's supposed to have a 62 kWh battery. That is 50% bigger than the one in my EV. The n74 Range is supposed to be 600 km in WLTP. Considering that 62 kWh could probably give you 400-450 km of WLTP, hydrogen only adds 150-200 km. And did everyone notice how much room the tanks and fuel cell tech takes up in the cutaway image? Honestly, why even bother with H2?
Comparing a performance cars range to your boring commuter EV's range? Sounds smart
@@dominicg2456 Oh, you're right! I forgot to add: The Model 3 Performance of my boss uses a bit less energy than my boring commuter EV. if I'd shrink it's battery to 62 kWh I end up at 450 km. But, then again if I apply the consumption of a Taycan on a 62 kWh battery I end up with 430 km of range and the Taycan is huge and heavy. If I'd use my boring commuter EV for the calculation, I end up at 300 - 400 km. Huh, maybe I already took your hint into consideration even before your helpful advice 🤔
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What's Tiernan AI?
The way Americans pronounce Hyundai... Hunday. 😐
I know right loool; hi-un-dye pronounced
Americans will always live rent free in foreigners heads lol. W. Hope you’re enjoying consuming American content on an American platform 🤭🥰
from the green tech / EV videos i've watched on yt, hydrogen doesn't seem like a good alternative, even if the tech is proven and clean.
the infrastructure required is just very expensive, to store hydrogen you need to cool it down and liquefy it, which itself is a rather energy intensive process. liquefied hydrogen then requires heavy duty insulation, extremely low tolerances in its seals (hydrogen will sublimate and escape through most "solids" because the H2 molecule is just so tiny), and has to maintain some level of pressure (to keep the H2 liquid for longer).
this means that H2 prep, storage, and pumping infrastructure all require a lot more tech and gets real pricey. at the same time, there is a pretty sizeable risk to having pressurised H2 tanks being on the road.
while it's nice that the korean govt is investing in green tech and infrastructure... it's arguable whether hydrogen economy is really the most cost-effective investment.
❤Awesome 😎!
sheeeee
Eh? If you burn hydrogen in air, you get water.. where are you getting the Nitrogen from?
The nitrogen in the air, 78% by mass.
Because 80% of the air in the combustion chamber is Nitrogen, and given enough heat and pressure it will bond with Oxygen.
🤦
Lmfao $375000 for a F-in Hyundai.
Not a chance.
If it was like $25k I'd buy it. Wouldn't consider it at $30k.
you can barely afford a new car then 😂
@@Australiaisupsidedown100%
The name N74 simply equals no Chinese market at all
Good luck getting any respect spending that much on a Hyundai lol
Not all are broke like you, though. Jealousy just reinforces your failure in society. Do better LOL