This explains why its taking so long for The Winds of Winter to come out…George has been busy writing the earlier novels to telepathically send to his younger self. Didn’t the scene with the wolf pups just come to him out of nowhere?
@@leonardoggy So has Philip K Dick's consciousness been time travelling to GRRM's mind to keep him from finishing this series for some unfathomable reason? THE PLOT THICKENS!
The old George is deciding if he cares more about his story or do stupid fanservices, after all, he killed Jon Snow in the last book, the favourite fuck boy of the A Song of Ice and Fire fan community, even that he hadn't done anything to deserve it, and made the same mistake than his father, Eddard, but because old George and the producers of Games of Thrones feed up the Jon Snow fans with their stupid Fan Theory to promote the show, now the old George is in a dilemma, that I not know that he willing to actually answer, so Winds of Winter is permanently stuck in limbo at the moment.
"A 125 year old, one-eyed, albino, stuck in a tree, that was actually a dream sending, hive-mind depository of dead, elf-like people... and the whole thing was metaphorically heaven" Never change Preston
Yes! Bloodraven is NOT the 3 eyed Crow. Finally more people are talking about this. The Weirwood and Crow dream competing for Bran's attention most people miss
Yea, and clearly Euron was visited by the 3EC, but there are no weirwoods only the Isles, so it can't possibly be Bloodraven, and also tells us that the 3EC does NOT use the weirwood network.
@@chyawanprash They tell Bran that he will be able to "see beyond the tree's" eventually. So visiting a dream in the Iron Islands isn't a stretch. Who's to say he was on the Iron Islands when it happened. They do have the Nagas ribs made from Weirwood too.
@@chyawanprash Something is telling me that the 3 Eyed Crow is like a Sauron type figure, a corrupt spirit that seeks a vessel to achieve its goal to dominate Westeros.
The failure of D&D to appreciate nuance, or their aptitude to ignore it, is to be expected. They completely ruined our chance to have a solid substitute for an official continuation of the story, all while they had the resources to pull it off, or the option to hand the show to someone else.
I think its much more likely they just didn't fully understand the situation with multiple competing psychic influencers, where one but not the others is also a time traveller. "Themes are for 8th grade book reports" after all.
I've always believed that Bloodraven isn't the 3EC because he said he's been visiting Bran since birth, but 3EC only appeared after the fall, but WOW! The idea that 3EC is a future Bran is completely new to me and I LOVE it! Can't wait till part 2!
When Bran asks BR if he is the crow, he misinterprets and talks about once being in the Night’s Watch. I’m pretty convinced that time traveling Bran is the three eyed crow
Same. For a time I thought the TEC could be Euron, but I wasn't fully committed to it because I'm of the thought that he's not as "magical" as he says he is, and Aeron is very unreliable as a narrator. I did think the weird scene with Jon and Bran beyond the Wall was Bran from the future, because like Preston says, Bran exhibits there knowledge that the Bran chapters do not have, but I never connected the dots to Bran being the TEC.
@@leonardoggy Uhh does it though? I mean I feel like we're all selectively ignoring Bran's next POV chapter in the Winterfell crypts where it says "Here in the chill damp darkness of the tomb his third eye had finally opened. He could reach Summer whenever he wanted, and once he had even touched Ghost and talked to Jon. Though maybe he had only dreamed that." Come on people.
@@colinluk5547 don’t have the exact time, but he quickly flashes a pic of a wildcard book as he mentions GRRM wasting his time with series we don’t care about
Jon is a very special character, considering the other Stark children’s wolf dreams were simply them experiencing what their wolf was doing, while Jon often sees dreams that Ghost is having, its not a Jon dream with Ghost in it
“An albino,” Theon Greyjoy said with wry amusement. “This one will die even faster than the others.” Jon Snow gave his father’s ward a long, chilling look. “I think not, Greyjoy,” he said. “This one belongs to me.” The above could be Bran or Bloodraven speaking about Jon.
These are the only videos for which I will just drop everything, and listen to it immediately. Way to go, Preston. This is was the series I wanted to watch.
The internet kind of screwed GRRM over. He started this series when there wasn't a hivemind of readers connected by the internet taking his books apart. Still time travel Bran is basically constrained by plot or not constrained at all.
I was on the internet when Dance was released, and I remember people being pretty stoked to see Blood Raven in the book. Well, a bunch of people were stoked to see him because they were Dunk and Egg fans, while everyone else was confused as to what all the excitement was because they hadn't delved into Dunk and Egg.
Merciful Old Gods, I'd just gone through the bulk of your catalog and was sad I was about out of content. Then you come with a glorious bounty. It's a Halloween miracle!
I've been trying to find a video when he talks about a message George RR Martin sent to fan about howland reed either In 1997 or 1999 will be appearing in the next novel/book . It might have been Jacobs or another RUclipsr or both who showed it I've been trying to refind it.
@@SaccharineCHNOS Its called ...For a Single Yesterday. I don't think it's in Dreamsongs, but was definitely in one of the his short story collections called Songs of Stars and Shadows
Imagine we find out some day that Martin got so jammed up writing because the time travel plot was his plan and he realized how horrible of a plot idea it would be.
There's still time for him to drop it. It would be a bit silly of the story to have this pointless false hint, but better a silly and pointless false hint of time travel, than actual time travel.
I don’t now why people think it’s so weird. Prophecies is literally the same thing. Information from the future, grasped by minds that are relatively in the past, who can then change their behaviours (free choices) in influence of their understanding of the prophecy.
@@umwha martin is usually very careful with magic in his series. prophecies work well because they're typically ambiguous, tragically ironic, and hard for characters to grasp most of the time. idk if an outright time travelling plot will have the same level of subtlety but that's just a concern of mine. maybe i'm just being cynical!
I always loved the theory (or at least the clear parallel) that omniscient Bran is the narrorator and were "flying" with him through the minds of all. Hence the warging chapters and the rest of the books having a very tight third person narrative. When a characters emotion is described, it's Bran feeling it.
Brans story is my favorite part of the book series. He was dogged in the show. He has amazing powers and they didn't even show all the great things he could do. I can't wait to read the next book and find out where he is at.
First Brienne, Gender and the Squishers, and now this! Back to back bangers, Preston. Good stuff. This new series has me more excited than ever for your analysis.
18:30 - It does if the old timeline DOESN'T cease to exist. If the old timeline exists then there would be a timeline where time traveler X just disappeared and where the same person exists twice.
This happens when Bran and crew first meet Sam: "I'm a crow, please. Let me out of this." Bran was suddenly uncertain. "Are you the three-eyed crow?" He can't be the three-eyed crow. "I don't think so." The fat man rolled his eyes, but there were only two of them. "I'm only Sam. Samwell Tarly." It can be interpreted as a parallel to the scene where Bran asks Bloodraven if he is the Three-Eyed Crow. In both cases 1. a false connection between being the Three-eyed Crow and being a Member of the Nights Watch is drawn and 2. Bran notices that the person does not have three eyes. The logic goes, if Sam is not the Three-eyed crow, than Bloodraven isn't either.
Time travel in ASOIAF is going to be like how he wrote Unsound Variations. Also in the show the three eyed crow tells Bran that the "ink is already dry"
If Jon recognizes Bran's face in the tree that probably means he is still a child, which might mean becoming part of the weirwood has caused him to remain a child and prevent him from growing into an adult body.
The weirwood tree starting as a sapling in Jon's vision - and then growing in front of him before being revealed as "his brothers face" could also be a nod to a grown up future Bran making contact.
Are you going to to into how Brans message to his father changed effected his life? Eddard was praying for Jon and Rob to grow up as brothers, then the God's speak to him saying "its me Brandon." Aka his older dead brother, and maybe the father of Jon. I always thought it was this message from Bran that caused Eddard to become more religious and possibly lead to him naming Bran, Bran.
It's impossible for Brandon Stark to be Jon's Father. He was dead a year before Jon was conceived (or there abouts.) I think Ashara Dayne is Jon's mother
@@cbob213 B + A = J was explored in Preston's Tower of Joy series already. He may have changed his mind about it since then, but he certainly looked at the timeline and did not dismiss the idea, (In this scenario, Ned lied about Jon's age)
I've written some of this on reddit years ago.. but I think it's pretty damn obvious that Time Travelling Bran is one of the (if not just THE) main drivers of the story. Yeah it's pretty clear that Future Bran awakened Jon's skinchanging.. it seems clear to me that Future Bran was talking to Bran as he fell from the tower. I'm also of the belief that Greensight isn't even a power. It's just the state of having Future Bran send you visions. I also wrote about Bloodraven not knowing what the 3 Eyed Crow was... also the fact that Bloodraven is called The Last Greenseer, even though he always knew Bran was coming. It's because Bran isn't a "greenseer", Bran is greensight.. and when Bran enters into the story physically.. he's not coming to be Bloodraven's student. He's coming to be Bloodraven's master. To me, it seems clear that Bran is the 3EC, and the only 3EC that's ever been in the story. As it relates to Bran's time travelling more generally- I think Future Bran traveling through time and either speaking to, and/or projecting his consciousness into others' bodies "is" all of history's Brandon Stark's. He's DEFINITELY Bran the Builder, if nothing else (Bran the Builder story makes way more sense when you just allow that our Bran went into the past with future engineering knowledge to build all the structures attributed to him, that men still don't understand structurally in the time of the story.. it also explains his long ass lifespan.. Bran was just dipping in and out over time).. but I also think he's the Shipwright, The Breaker, Brandon Snow.. Knight of the Laughing Tree (either through Brandon.. Lyanna.. or whoever.. it kinda doesn't matter tbh).. I also think Bloodraven's name being Brynden is a knod to this as well. That's also just Bran. He's Bloodraven's Thousand Eyes. But yeah.. I think Bran is the source of greensight, Dragon Dreams, all that shit.. it's just Bran. Also think he's prob the Night King too, and we're reading a story about a god trying to balance the entire history of the world. But GRRM is never gonna finish so who cares
Game of thrones, (S3, E2.) When Bran dreams of the 3-eyed crow he shoots at it in his dream and Jon and Robb laugh after he misses. Then Ned's voice is heard before the reveal on Jojen, who tell's Bran. "You can't kill it Bran, because the 3-eyed crow is you." That scene now makes sense to me. Thanks.
All I can say. Is please drop whatever you're doing with your life to create more of this content that I want. As a consumer of your content I feel very entitled to ask you for this and will be super offended if you do anything else with your time except make more of this. Thanks
Preston, you are one of the reasons why the TWoW wait hasn't destroyed me yet 😭 Thank you for starting in on this series! Time travelling Bran makes rereads of the books totally mindbending
Bloodraven is definitely not the Three-Eyed Crow, though this idea of time-traveling Bran is new to me and fascinating. I've long put the exact identity of the 3EC in the mystery box, leaning toward "Immortal Soul of the Bloodstone Emperor Azor Ahai Living Eternally through the Weirwood Web," or "Great Other," or maybe both, but please do continue and soon
@@TheAstroWitchLux They didn't say it was Euron. They said Euron may have been visited by the Great Other, and that he could be becoming / is the 3EC's instrument.
This one is one I've been leaning more into, after revisiting the histories. With how many comets and meteorites are mentioned in ASOIAF, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of an alien entity in the world of "Earthos" whose life is incompatible with the life of the native inhabitants of the planet.
I was going to comment about how I was early, but the intro started and I had to put my hand over my heart to just let the Doctor Who theme sink in... That was a spiritual experience
Hey Preston. I love all your stuff dude! Please keep the ASoIaF content coming. It's the only thing getting me through this never ending pandemic world we live in! Almost every other GoT channel I subscribe to has either given up completely or slowed down immensely on the theory content. It's a bummer! You're definitely the hardest working and most creative content provider on RUclips in the ASoIaF sphere. Your fans really appreciate it!
When I saw that video in my recommended list, I yelled out in excitement (I usually do not do that). When I saw the first two seconds I smiled (and I am a German). I continue watching the rest now. But I just wanted to share how much joy this video has brought me so far :) :) :)
Oh man Preston you're the best. This subject is something I've been waiting for for years. One day hopefully I can call in if you keep doing live casts. Cheers!
Loving it Preston and looking forward to part 2. I'm SO glad a RUclipsr of your stature is tackling something that has bugged me personally since first reading the series. There are four scenes/events in the series that have just jumped out at me for whatever reason as something just escaping me but feeling off somehow and you cover two of them in the video, Jon's dream of the tree talking to him & Bloodraven's confusion to Bran's question about him being the Three Eyed Crow. As much as I loathe how sloppy time travel makes any story I'm anxious to hear your take on Bran's journey through time. Good luck with the move, zaijian!
@@BenJover the other two are Qhorin's cryptic warning to 'Tell them the trees have eyes again' warning and when Tyrion, Connington et all are teleported on the river to pass the Bridge of Dreams twice. The first scene is just weird, Mormont has already acknowledged that the Others had existed and that he already knew about Craster's sacrifices to crueler gods, it almost seems like Qhorin's worried about the Children of the Forrest, not the Others. That second scene...I mean come on, it's one of the most blatent instances of mystical powers in the entire story and before Tyrion's allowed to really focus on what the hell just happened they're attacked and it just never crosses his mind again...
@@BenJover that is possible, it just stopped me dead when I first read the passage, then re-read it again and again. I think more than anything I've been perplexed that there's all this discourse in the fandom about the various times magic has appeared (or seemed to) in the story but that instance gets very little attention, to me it's Chekov's Bridge and we just haven't gotten the payoff.
It’s just occurred to me that what Bran tells himself is word for word what Bloodraven tells him after he comes back from his dream / time travel. "Father" Bran's voice was a whisper in the wind, a rustle in the leaves. Bloodraven: "He heard a whisper on the wind, a rustling amongst the leaves.” I’ve never caught that before.
I’m going to be honest. I haven’t watched your videos in a long time.. but as soon as I saw that video title I was interested but when I saw you posted it I was invested.
I always thought Euron was the three eyed crow. With his whole speech to Victarion about leaping from towers and flying. Also his nickname crows eyes like he opened his third eye his crows eye.
PRESTON!!!! You're a genius. I'm not a strong reader. I've followed your content for years. Your analysis of ASOIAF has let me understand a media I would have never explored. I'm thankful for the work that you do I'm a big fan. Thank you.
There is also the chance that the entity which reaches out to Ghost isn't bran, but is someone / something else pretending to be Bran. A little more far fetched, but not impossible given the lies we see already on the 3EC front.
That’s fair, but I think it’s meant to be a Faux Jeyne Poole Deception. With the real JeyPoDeception, we have a supposed POV (Arya) in a place doing things we know that POV isn’t doing. Thus,, there’s more going on... Here, we seemingly have the same thing. Bran isn’t here, and he’s doing something else. But if he can time travel, that changes things: he’s not here now, but he will be here now - later
I think it’s something that controls every Bran throughout the Starks histories. It’s like their sacrifice to the old gods. Their trueborn sons given to serve the old gods. Although this serves my other theory that BR will actually take over Jons body and the three eyed raven just prepped Jon for being taken over in the dream.
Thanks for moving into this topic. I read something about this on ASOIF a while back and thought it was bunkum. I do tend to agree with you on the Children being (from human point of view) the 'real baddies' and most likely the drivers of a lot of strife with the only outcome from this being hardship for most humans. It seems like an unwinnable apocalyptic loss for mankind. But the Three-eyed Crow being Bran and not a puppet Bloodraven gives me hope that the ending won't be a colossal, nihilistic heart-shredding event of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers ('78) proportions.
It's also entirely possible that it's a third person pretending to be Future Bran. Namely the Great Other. Why? Cause the Eyed-Crow also visited Euron, and Euron is working for the Great Other, Preston himself thinks so.
@@stefanpieper3757 It's possible. My own thoughts are that no disembodied 'Gods'spirits' actually exist in ASOIAF. It's all physical beings with abilities. The floating lump that housed the undying, what was that?
To comment on "hold the door", this was a possession of the mind of Walder (Hodor's real name in the books). Imagine looking out your own eyes at your own hands & feet and silently scream as you try and control yourself, but you can't because someone invaded your mind and took over your body. In other words, as Hodor was holding the door, he was practically murdered by Bran.
FWIW, when writing the dialogue between Bran and the three-eyed crow in the dream sequence scene in AGOT, GRRM chose to omit the quotation marks around the three-eyed crow's dialogue lines, and used italics instead - something he usually does to convey the POV's internal thoughts. In contrast, all of Dany's dream conversations in her second to last chapter in AGOT *do* have the quotation marks - for the parts spoken by dream-Viserys, dream-Jorah, dream-ghosts, etc. So, you might be on to something here, Preston. Using italics instead of quotation marks for the three-eyed crow's dialogue might have been GRRM's super subtle, sneaky hint that the three-eyed crow is, in fact, Bran himself.
i always felt like the crow and the tree dreams didnt match. I did think it was Bloodraven and the children; but now it makes more since Bloodraven and Bran's consciousness are sending dreams to bran! Love your content glad to see a new series!
The big thing that supports this is that why would someone called ‘bloodRAVEN’ take the symbolic form of a three eyed CROW. They are different but oft confused birds. BloodRAVEN would take the form a white raven with red streaks , that’s his symbol.
His sigil is actually a white dragon with one head and a red eye on a field of black (it happens to be on my mousepad). His nickname comes from the wine or blood colored birthmark on his face and throat in roughly the shape of a raven. So I think he would be an albino dragon in visions and symbolism when I sit and think about it...because Jon Snow is just as much a crow as Bloodraven, yet we wouldn't attribute Jon as a crow either. And we do see a blood-streaked pale dragon...on the cyvasse board in the Tyrion sample chapter from TWoW...quite an interesting place for him to be, honestly.
Twelve Monkeys form of interaction, whereby it doesn’t effect the existing line of causality. His interactions (mostly negligible “whispers” from a heart tree) were always there. My personal prediction is that Bran is going to warg Howland Reed at the Tower of Joy and be the one to save Ned from Arthur Dayne. Through this, we’ll get a first hand perspective on some of the events.
@King Slayer Not exactly. That would likely cause paradoxes with universe ending consequences. More like consciousness sent back in time to influence actions that resulted in the causality of Bran eventually being flung from a tower, Winterfell being sacked, Bran going North of the Wall (with the Reeds), meeting up with Bloodraven and joining with the Weirwood network so that he could send his consciousness back in time.
Preston, I figured out the secret ending to Back To The Future a couple of years ago. New Doc knew this grandfather paradox in the 30 year meantime preparing to be shot by the Lybians in 85. This time he needed to pretend to naturally befriend Rich Marty and send him back in time and Protagonist Marty and the audience see this from Lone Pine Mall hill. But that time machine I theorized was built by Doc to detonate as soon as he went into the woods in 1955 so Rich Marty dies in a car crash outside of town and the timeline our Marty has made in this branch stays stable.
The back to the futur's time travilling is still stupid, if you changed the life of your parents to a certain degree, the possibility of you being conceived is near impossible. what if the day you where concivied your parents where not in the mood for sex. or your dad jerked off that day or even if that was not the case, you being the dominant sperm or even exist as a sperm is highly unlikly.
@@TagardMC I think they didn't really over thinked it, i mean they made even more sloppier mistakes in the sequels, like old Biff going back to the same future even though he changed it by giving him self the magazine.
@@thesleeperhasawakened4916 old biff dies and dissolves next to a dumpster after he gets back. There's apparently a slightly longer version showing it or it was a storyboard and it was cut for being too dark.
@@TagardMC Still sounds like a plot convenience to give the protagonists their time machine back. he shoud've return into a future where he is rich and Doc and Marty should have been stuck in the other timeline or not exist at all , it's a paradox.
The Legend of Zelda games used time travel in an interesting way I hadn't seen before. Ocarina of Time caused alternate timelines confirmed by Nintendo to lead to different games. -Link is a child at the beginning of OoT and is sent back at the end, which leads to Ganondorf's eventual execution before anything happens (leading to the events of Twilight Princess) -Link grows up 7 years in the second half of OoT. Ganondorf is sealed away at the end, but because Link goes back to childhood, he's not there to save Hyrule when the seal breaks again (leading to the events of The Wind Waker) -A third branch where Link dies and so Ganondorf is revived by his followers anyway (leading to the events of A Link to the Past)
In Ocarina of Time there's also this sidequest where a man teaches Link the song of storms. Link then travels back in time and meets the same man 7 years younger. Link plays the song of storms for him. The man at that time didnt knew the song and learned it from Link. But this creates a paradox, who taught who the song first?
The opening of this was awesome and I hope the whole series opens this way. Thank you fro bringing up Bloodraven not knowing what the Three-Eyed Crow is and that Bloodraven is most likely the Tree in visions. I think Bran (or as you seem to be saying Young Bran) is the winged Wolf Jojen sees.
Amazing work as always mate, while I've done my best to explore George's other works (mostly thanks to your 1000 worlds series) I don't recall experiencing the upcoming materials & am super excited to hear more of the mad stuff GRRM has written!
I think that Bran also influenced Jon finding Ghost, In a game of thrones the first Bran chapter After finding the 5 pups and they start to leave, jon stops and says: didn't you hear that? And Bran thinks to himself Only the leaves and the wind. And then Jon appears holding ghost who is always described as being silent. I don't know I thought that this is time travelling Bran as well.
I hate time travel for the reasons stated in the video. I also love stories with time travel. Paradoxes are unavoidable. I look forward to the rest of this series :D
I'm curious about your views on the Primer scenario. This is the movie that actually does the science behind time travel where a guy puts a timer on a time travel machine, leaves the area to allow himself to exit the box, researches stock prices, and enters the box to get the jump on changes coming the day prior and effectively changes the future by eliminating how the world would have gone had he not time traveled. It's basically like how the teleporter in Star Trek works. The original copy of the person beign transported is destroyed and his molecules are beamed and rebuilt in another location. The original guy enters the box, destroys himself and his future, and his double takes over his life in an altered timeline.
This one of my favorite theories, but I haven't fully bought into it yet. The only thing about the 3 Eyed Crow being Bran, and not Bloodraven is, in ADwD, when Bran is in the cave, he thinks about Bloodraven still being a crow in his dreams. He thinks something like, "but in his dreams, Lord Brynden was still the 3 Eyed Crow". (Can't remember the exact words)
solution to the grandfather paradox: if you think about time as a form of decay, travelling back in time is not like moving in a direction but more like repairing time decay but excluding an additional entity (you). So if you kill your own grandfather it wouldn't create a new timeline, or cause you not to exist, since any event that occured after you arrived would have no effect on time that had already been "repaired"
Re "including the bible," not quite, it's the difference between the voice of the oracle vs a deity. In the former it's a prediction, in the later it's a plan. Biblical prophecy is not so much, "this event will happen," as it is, "this deity says he/she/it will do these things." Not predicting the future so much as setting out a 5-century business plan.
Great stuff! I wonder if we’ll also see a time-traveling Dany as a parallel. Having both the three-eyed crow dreams and the dragon dreams from book one turn out to be sent by the dreamers in the final book would be neat structurally.
I still think Preston is just finding every single screw up grrm has made in this series When we get actual answers straight from George they are always basic and not too complex and most of all full of the problems and holes Preston has pointed out I think Preston could write one hell of a book
Good stuff. It always brings to my mind the Robert Jordan line, "thought is the arrow of time." And perhaps Catelyn could have warmed up to Jon if Bran hadn't interrupted Ned's prayer.
Great episode, Preston! I'm happy you're delving into this. I've put a lot of thought on it over the years, but I never really connected the dots to TEC=future Bran. I thought they were separate entities. But your take makes a lot more sense! Looking forward for the rest of the analysis!
This explains why its taking so long for The Winds of Winter to come out…George has been busy writing the earlier novels to telepathically send to his younger self. Didn’t the scene with the wolf pups just come to him out of nowhere?
You're right he said he wrote it pretty fast too.
Ha! That's actually a recurring theme in some of Philip K Dick's stories.
@@leonardoggy So has Philip K Dick's consciousness been time travelling to GRRM's mind to keep him from finishing this series for some unfathomable reason?
THE PLOT THICKENS!
So his future self has finally died and he now has to write it all by himself? Makes sense.
The old George is deciding if he cares more about his story or do stupid fanservices, after all, he killed Jon Snow in the last book, the favourite fuck boy of the A Song of Ice and Fire fan community, even that he hadn't done anything to deserve it, and made the same mistake than his father, Eddard, but because old George and the producers of Games of Thrones feed up the Jon Snow fans with their stupid Fan Theory to promote the show, now the old George is in a dilemma, that I not know that he willing to actually answer, so Winds of Winter is permanently stuck in limbo at the moment.
"A 125 year old, one-eyed, albino, stuck in a tree, that was actually a dream sending, hive-mind depository of dead, elf-like people... and the whole thing was metaphorically heaven"
Never change Preston
"The Second Sons are terrible sellsword company"
I think you two should frot together
Yes! Bloodraven is NOT the 3 eyed Crow. Finally more people are talking about this.
The Weirwood and Crow dream competing for Bran's attention most people miss
Yea, and clearly Euron was visited by the 3EC, but there are no weirwoods only the Isles, so it can't possibly be Bloodraven, and also tells us that the 3EC does NOT use the weirwood network.
@@chyawanprash They tell Bran that he will be able to "see beyond the tree's" eventually. So visiting a dream in the Iron Islands isn't a stretch.
Who's to say he was on the Iron Islands when it happened. They do have the Nagas ribs made from Weirwood too.
@@cbob213 yeah I did think of that, but still, it wasn't Bloodraven who visited Euron, it was the crow
@@chyawanprash 👍🏻🤘🏻🤙🏻
@@chyawanprash Something is telling me that the 3 Eyed Crow is like a Sauron type figure, a corrupt spirit that seeks a vessel to achieve its goal to dominate Westeros.
George told D&D that Bran becomes the Three-Eyed Crow, and they just assumed that meant Bran being Bloodraven's successor, when it means so much more
You know you might be on to something there
The failure of D&D to appreciate nuance, or their aptitude to ignore it, is to be expected. They completely ruined our chance to have a solid substitute for an official continuation of the story, all while they had the resources to pull it off, or the option to hand the show to someone else.
Yes
I think its much more likely they just didn't fully understand the situation with multiple competing psychic influencers, where one but not the others is also a time traveller.
"Themes are for 8th grade book reports" after all.
I didn't kill him your honor it was the time traveling tree wizard inside my head who made me do it.
Worked every time I was in court.
“Sir this is a Wendy’s”
Something Saul Goodman would say
I've always believed that Bloodraven isn't the 3EC because he said he's been visiting Bran since birth, but 3EC only appeared after the fall, but WOW! The idea that 3EC is a future Bran is completely new to me and I LOVE it! Can't wait till part 2!
When Bran asks BR if he is the crow, he misinterprets and talks about once being in the Night’s Watch. I’m pretty convinced that time traveling Bran is the three eyed crow
@@theodorejames8285
Time loops ftw
Same. For a time I thought the TEC could be Euron, but I wasn't fully committed to it because I'm of the thought that he's not as "magical" as he says he is, and Aeron is very unreliable as a narrator.
I did think the weird scene with Jon and Bran beyond the Wall was Bran from the future, because like Preston says, Bran exhibits there knowledge that the Bran chapters do not have, but I never connected the dots to Bran being the TEC.
@@leonardoggy Uhh does it though? I mean I feel like we're all selectively ignoring Bran's next POV chapter in the Winterfell crypts where it says "Here in the chill damp darkness of the tomb his third eye had finally opened. He could reach Summer whenever he wanted, and once he had even touched Ghost and talked to Jon. Though maybe he had only dreamed that." Come on people.
@@PuddingAtheist d'bunk'd
That Wildcard jab was hilarious
Where is it?
@@colinluk5547 don’t have the exact time, but he quickly flashes a pic of a wildcard book as he mentions GRRM wasting his time with series we don’t care about
@@colinluk5547 6:00
What's wrong with wildcards?
@@21526 its not asoiaf
Jon is a very special character, considering the other Stark children’s wolf dreams were simply them experiencing what their wolf was doing, while Jon often sees dreams that Ghost is having, its not a Jon dream with Ghost in it
“An albino,” Theon Greyjoy said with wry amusement. “This one will die even faster than the others.”
Jon Snow gave his father’s ward a long, chilling look. “I think not, Greyjoy,” he said. “This one belongs to me.”
The above could be Bran or Bloodraven speaking about Jon.
@@nononono3421 It's interesting that Theon says that Ghost would die first when in the show, he's the last direwolf alive.
@@Vossenator Jon is the first to die in the show and books. Which his dire wolf represents
@@Stephen-so9oi Ghost will probably be sacrificed to save Jon, but they will meld together. So "This one belongs to me." would be even more true.
@@Vossenator Nymeria is also alive.
These are the only videos for which I will just drop everything, and listen to it immediately.
Way to go, Preston. This is was the series I wanted to watch.
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Yep, that appears on the side there and says 'new', I don't care, I'm late for work. Stuff about the actual books, I mean.
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The internet kind of screwed GRRM over. He started this series when there wasn't a hivemind of readers connected by the internet taking his books apart. Still time travel Bran is basically constrained by plot or not constrained at all.
It was a known fact that time travel is a bad idea already when GRRM started writing this story.
These chats go back to usenet.
I was on the internet when Dance was released, and I remember people being pretty stoked to see Blood Raven in the book. Well, a bunch of people were stoked to see him because they were Dunk and Egg fans, while everyone else was confused as to what all the excitement was because they hadn't delved into Dunk and Egg.
That's why it bothers me when people say things like "The prequels have nothing to do with the main story"
@@pyramidion5911 Puh-lease, if one of the most amazing things about ASOIAF is how characters and events of the past directly affect the future
Merciful Old Gods, I'd just gone through the bulk of your catalog and was sad I was about out of content. Then you come with a glorious bounty. It's a Halloween miracle!
Truely is. Praise the gods!
The great punkin has blessed us
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I've been trying to find a video when he talks about a message George RR Martin sent to fan about howland reed either In 1997 or 1999 will be appearing in the next novel/book . It might have been Jacobs or another RUclipsr or both who showed it I've been trying to refind it.
I literally just go through his stuff till I reach the end and then start over again…like some kind of crazy person.
Can’t wait to talk about George’s post apocalyptic hippie commune time-traveling heroin story! It’s a personal favorite
wait which one is that? I've only read armageddon rag and the vampire one
@@SaccharineCHNOS Its called ...For a Single Yesterday. I don't think it's in Dreamsongs, but was definitely in one of the his short story collections called Songs of Stars and Shadows
It was when all did heroine everything was better
It's shocking that a true genius has only 167k subscribers, but it also makes sense. What a gift to those of us here.
Imagine we find out some day that Martin got so jammed up writing because the time travel plot was his plan and he realized how horrible of a plot idea it would be.
There's still time for him to drop it. It would be a bit silly of the story to have this pointless false hint, but better a silly and pointless false hint of time travel, than actual time travel.
He was writing his saga for so long that his main twist became a cliche already
I don’t now why people think it’s so weird. Prophecies is literally the same thing. Information from the future, grasped by minds that are relatively in the past, who can then change their behaviours (free choices) in influence of their understanding of the prophecy.
who said its weird?
@@umwha martin is usually very careful with magic in his series. prophecies work well because they're typically ambiguous, tragically ironic, and hard for characters to grasp most of the time. idk if an outright time travelling plot will have the same level of subtlety but that's just a concern of mine. maybe i'm just being cynical!
I always loved the theory (or at least the clear parallel) that omniscient Bran is the narrorator and were "flying" with him through the minds of all. Hence the warging chapters and the rest of the books having a very tight third person narrative. When a characters emotion is described, it's Bran feeling it.
That makes so much sense it should be illegal 🤯
"Almost no movement on the ice zombie plot" Indeed Preston, indeed.
An underrated portion of PJ’s videos are his intro songs. Once again, he nails it
That GOT/Dr Who mashup was priceless!
Brans story is my favorite part of the book series. He was dogged in the show. He has amazing powers and they didn't even show all the great things he could do. I can't wait to read the next book and find out where he is at.
First Brienne, Gender and the Squishers, and now this! Back to back bangers, Preston. Good stuff. This new series has me more excited than ever for your analysis.
* Gendry *
Gendry Waters. Edric Storm.
The intro is like the opening sequence of an 80s show.
I love it!
Doctor who*
🤨 ...are you serious? Lol
I wish I could be in your place, discovering Doctor Who again for the first time...
I literally said this afternoon “huh, could really go for a new Preston theory today”
18:30 - It does if the old timeline DOESN'T cease to exist. If the old timeline exists then there would be a timeline where time traveler X just disappeared and where the same person exists twice.
Yeah, I don't know why he jumps to the conclusion that the old timeline ceases to exist. It's like he hasn't even watched Steins;Gate.
They even state that it Dragonball Z. The old timeline still exist. Not sure why he assumes it goes extinct.
This happens when Bran and crew first meet Sam:
"I'm a crow, please. Let me out of this."
Bran was suddenly uncertain. "Are you the three-eyed crow?" He can't be the three-eyed crow.
"I don't think so." The fat man rolled his eyes, but there were only two of them. "I'm only Sam. Samwell Tarly."
It can be interpreted as a parallel to the scene where Bran asks Bloodraven if he is the Three-Eyed Crow. In both cases 1. a false connection between being the Three-eyed Crow and being a Member of the Nights Watch is drawn and 2. Bran notices that the person does not have three eyes. The logic goes, if Sam is not the Three-eyed crow, than Bloodraven isn't either.
Especially since Bloodraven should be either the Two-Eyed Crow or the Thousand and Two-Eyed Crow...just saying
@@hopedixon2133 yes
Time travel in ASOIAF is going to be like how he wrote Unsound Variations. Also in the show the three eyed crow tells Bran that the "ink is already dry"
One in thousand readers of A Song of Ice and Fire is born a greenseer. You're one of them. Thanks for recording your green dreams. Cheers from Poland
If Jon recognizes Bran's face in the tree that probably means he is still a child, which might mean becoming part of the weirwood has caused him to remain a child and prevent him from growing into an adult body.
The weirwood tree starting as a sapling in Jon's vision - and then growing in front of him before being revealed as "his brothers face" could also be a nod to a grown up future Bran making contact.
its 4 in the morning in my country but yes, ill watch this
Are you going to to into how Brans message to his father changed effected his life? Eddard was praying for Jon and Rob to grow up as brothers, then the God's speak to him saying "its me Brandon." Aka his older dead brother, and maybe the father of Jon. I always thought it was this message from Bran that caused Eddard to become more religious and possibly lead to him naming Bran, Bran.
It's impossible for Brandon Stark to be Jon's Father. He was dead a year before Jon was conceived (or there abouts.)
I think Ashara Dayne is Jon's mother
@@cbob213 B + A = J was explored in Preston's Tower of Joy series already. He may have changed his mind about it since then, but he certainly looked at the timeline and did not dismiss the idea, (In this scenario, Ned lied about Jon's age)
Brandon and Ashara were in the same place just before his death. In Kingslanding post the Harrenhal tourney and Rhaegar taking Lyanna to Dorne.
So, you think Bran named himself. Another grandfather paradox, but still funny.
Guys, but R + L = J is already confirmed.
I've written some of this on reddit years ago.. but I think it's pretty damn obvious that Time Travelling Bran is one of the (if not just THE) main drivers of the story.
Yeah it's pretty clear that Future Bran awakened Jon's skinchanging.. it seems clear to me that Future Bran was talking to Bran as he fell from the tower.
I'm also of the belief that Greensight isn't even a power. It's just the state of having Future Bran send you visions.
I also wrote about Bloodraven not knowing what the 3 Eyed Crow was... also the fact that Bloodraven is called The Last Greenseer, even though he always knew Bran was coming. It's because Bran isn't a "greenseer", Bran is greensight.. and when Bran enters into the story physically.. he's not coming to be Bloodraven's student. He's coming to be Bloodraven's master.
To me, it seems clear that Bran is the 3EC, and the only 3EC that's ever been in the story.
As it relates to Bran's time travelling more generally- I think Future Bran traveling through time and either speaking to, and/or projecting his consciousness into others' bodies "is" all of history's Brandon Stark's. He's DEFINITELY Bran the Builder, if nothing else (Bran the Builder story makes way more sense when you just allow that our Bran went into the past with future engineering knowledge to build all the structures attributed to him, that men still don't understand structurally in the time of the story.. it also explains his long ass lifespan.. Bran was just dipping in and out over time).. but I also think he's the Shipwright, The Breaker, Brandon Snow.. Knight of the Laughing Tree (either through Brandon.. Lyanna.. or whoever.. it kinda doesn't matter tbh).. I also think Bloodraven's name being Brynden is a knod to this as well. That's also just Bran. He's Bloodraven's Thousand Eyes.
But yeah.. I think Bran is the source of greensight, Dragon Dreams, all that shit.. it's just Bran.
Also think he's prob the Night King too, and we're reading a story about a god trying to balance the entire history of the world.
But GRRM is never gonna finish so who cares
what is your reddit handle? wanting to look up your your old posts because I subscribe to your way of interpreting Bran's storyline!
Game of thrones, (S3, E2.) When Bran dreams of the 3-eyed crow he shoots at it in his dream and Jon and Robb laugh after he misses. Then Ned's voice is heard before the reveal on Jojen, who tell's Bran. "You can't kill it Bran, because the 3-eyed crow is you." That scene now makes sense to me. Thanks.
All I can say. Is please drop whatever you're doing with your life to create more of this content that I want. As a consumer of your content I feel very entitled to ask you for this and will be super offended if you do anything else with your time except make more of this. Thanks
Right? Drop the baby, drop the wife and just make ASoIaF content.
He's got a secret deal with grrm to finish the books post mortem. We should print out Preston t-shirts or something
@@allthe1 really?
Felt like I entered a timeline where Preston made Back to the Future theory videos on youtube. A better timeline, honestly.
I played with my longsword in front of a weirwood tree while I watched this
Let's just appreciate the fact that Varamyr Sixskins didn't stop after he learned how to warg into 4 animals.
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You can tell how good Preston is when you realise you treat pretty much all his theories as fact almost straight away
Preston, you are one of the reasons why the TWoW wait hasn't destroyed me yet 😭 Thank you for starting in on this series! Time travelling Bran makes rereads of the books totally mindbending
Wonderful succinct argument regarding 3 eyed crow. Bloodraven should at least know he was called a crow in the dream. Always the best analysis.
Preston's intros just keep getting better and better. I love them :D
My favourite is still the intro from the purple wedding
@@vpapako It is truly peak comedy.
About how crowded this story is... 2433 characters with 1279 alive, 692 dead, 131 unknown status, 23 fictional and 308 from history of this world.
I laughed as soon as the intro began, well done.
Bloodraven is definitely not the Three-Eyed Crow, though this idea of time-traveling Bran is new to me and fascinating. I've long put the exact identity of the 3EC in the mystery box, leaning toward "Immortal Soul of the Bloodstone Emperor Azor Ahai Living Eternally through the Weirwood Web," or "Great Other," or maybe both, but please do continue and soon
It was either that, or they said it was Euron.
@@TheAstroWitchLux They didn't say it was Euron. They said Euron may have been visited by the Great Other, and that he could be becoming / is the 3EC's instrument.
This one is one I've been leaning more into, after revisiting the histories. With how many comets and meteorites are mentioned in ASOIAF, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of an alien entity in the world of "Earthos" whose life is incompatible with the life of the native inhabitants of the planet.
@@leonardoggy Planetos
@@leonardoggy The good old IT origin story, huh?
I can't say that I don't like that theory.
I was going to comment about how I was early, but the intro started and I had to put my hand over my heart to just let the Doctor Who theme sink in... That was a spiritual experience
Preston's editing and intros remain unmatched...
Hey Preston. I love all your stuff dude! Please keep the ASoIaF content coming. It's the only thing getting me through this never ending pandemic world we live in!
Almost every other GoT channel I subscribe to has either given up completely or slowed down immensely on the theory content. It's a bummer! You're definitely the hardest working and most creative content provider on RUclips in the ASoIaF sphere. Your fans really appreciate it!
Your intros are always amazing! Can’t wait to see where you go with this series and what conclusions you come to!
When I saw that video in my recommended list, I yelled out in excitement (I usually do not do that). When I saw the first two seconds I smiled (and I am a German). I continue watching the rest now. But I just wanted to share how much joy this video has brought me so far :) :) :)
What do the first two seconds have to do with you being German? I'm German, and I dont see the connection.
@@stefanpieper3757 Because of the smile, and you're all Teutonic stoics? ;)
@@stefanpieper3757 I was jokingly referring to the stereotypes that germans never smile ;)
To the Branmobile!
The One-eyed Tree Man planned it all !!!
Oh man Preston you're the best. This subject is something I've been waiting for for years. One day hopefully I can call in if you keep doing live casts. Cheers!
Loving it Preston and looking forward to part 2. I'm SO glad a RUclipsr of your stature is tackling something that has bugged me personally since first reading the series. There are four scenes/events in the series that have just jumped out at me for whatever reason as something just escaping me but feeling off somehow and you cover two of them in the video, Jon's dream of the tree talking to him & Bloodraven's confusion to Bran's question about him being the Three Eyed Crow. As much as I loathe how sloppy time travel makes any story I'm anxious to hear your take on Bran's journey through time. Good luck with the move, zaijian!
What are the other 2 things?
Yes please, what are the other two?
@@BenJover the other two are Qhorin's cryptic warning to 'Tell them the trees have eyes again' warning and when Tyrion, Connington et all are teleported on the river to pass the Bridge of Dreams twice. The first scene is just weird, Mormont has already acknowledged that the Others had existed and that he already knew about Craster's sacrifices to crueler gods, it almost seems like Qhorin's worried about the Children of the Forrest, not the Others. That second scene...I mean come on, it's one of the most blatent instances of mystical powers in the entire story and before Tyrion's allowed to really focus on what the hell just happened they're attacked and it just never crosses his mind again...
@@brennanbarnes7628 Those are good ones. The only thing I can think of the tyrion thing is he was just mistaken or tricked
@@BenJover that is possible, it just stopped me dead when I first read the passage, then re-read it again and again. I think more than anything I've been perplexed that there's all this discourse in the fandom about the various times magic has appeared (or seemed to) in the story but that instance gets very little attention, to me it's Chekov's Bridge and we just haven't gotten the payoff.
"Thanks for watching, and we'll see you last time."
It’s just occurred to me that what Bran tells himself is word for word what Bloodraven tells him after he comes back from his dream / time travel.
"Father" Bran's voice was a whisper in the wind, a rustle in the leaves.
Bloodraven: "He heard a whisper on the wind, a rustling amongst the leaves.”
I’ve never caught that before.
I’m going to be honest. I haven’t watched your videos in a long time.. but as soon as I saw that video title I was interested but when I saw you posted it I was invested.
I always thought Euron was the three eyed crow. With his whole speech to Victarion about leaping from towers and flying. Also his nickname crows eyes like he opened his third eye his crows eye.
PRESTON!!!! You're a genius. I'm not a strong reader. I've followed your content for years. Your analysis of ASOIAF has let me understand a media I would have never explored. I'm thankful for the work that you do I'm a big fan. Thank you.
There is also the chance that the entity which reaches out to Ghost isn't bran, but is someone / something else pretending to be Bran. A little more far fetched, but not impossible given the lies we see already on the 3EC front.
That’s fair, but I think it’s meant to be a Faux Jeyne Poole Deception.
With the real JeyPoDeception, we have a supposed POV (Arya) in a place doing things we know that POV isn’t doing. Thus,, there’s more going on...
Here, we seemingly have the same thing. Bran isn’t here, and he’s doing something else.
But if he can time travel, that changes things: he’s not here now, but he will be here now - later
I think it’s something that controls every Bran throughout the Starks histories. It’s like their sacrifice to the old gods.
Their trueborn sons given to serve the old gods. Although this serves my other theory that BR will actually take over Jons body and the three eyed raven just prepped Jon for being taken over in the dream.
Peston the goat with a 30 min upload. Legend
You mean 21 minutes?
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Wow, you were drunk when you wrote this :D
@@stefanpieper3757 Somethings going on lol
Preston, you've really outdone yourself with this intro. Fantastic.
Thanks for moving into this topic. I read something about this on ASOIF a while back and thought it was bunkum. I do tend to agree with you on the Children being (from human point of view) the 'real baddies' and most likely the drivers of a lot of strife with the only outcome from this being hardship for most humans. It seems like an unwinnable apocalyptic loss for mankind. But the Three-eyed Crow being Bran and not a puppet Bloodraven gives me hope that the ending won't be a colossal, nihilistic heart-shredding event of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers ('78) proportions.
It's also entirely possible that it's a third person pretending to be Future Bran. Namely the Great Other. Why? Cause the Eyed-Crow also visited Euron, and Euron is working for the Great Other, Preston himself thinks so.
@@stefanpieper3757 It's possible. My own thoughts are that no disembodied 'Gods'spirits' actually exist in ASOIAF. It's all physical beings with abilities. The floating lump that housed the undying, what was that?
To comment on "hold the door", this was a possession of the mind of Walder (Hodor's real name in the books). Imagine looking out your own eyes at your own hands & feet and silently scream as you try and control yourself, but you can't because someone invaded your mind and took over your body.
In other words, as Hodor was holding the door, he was practically murdered by Bran.
Man, it has been two weeks! We need the next episode! Going through withdrawals here!
Oh how I love seeing a new series by Preston. Fantastic intro I can't wait to see where this one goes!
FWIW, when writing the dialogue between Bran and the three-eyed crow in the dream sequence scene in AGOT, GRRM chose to omit the quotation marks around the three-eyed crow's dialogue lines, and used italics instead - something he usually does to convey the POV's internal thoughts. In contrast, all of Dany's dream conversations in her second to last chapter in AGOT *do* have the quotation marks - for the parts spoken by dream-Viserys, dream-Jorah, dream-ghosts, etc. So, you might be on to something here, Preston. Using italics instead of quotation marks for the three-eyed crow's dialogue might have been GRRM's super subtle, sneaky hint that the three-eyed crow is, in fact, Bran himself.
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i always felt like the crow and the tree dreams didnt match. I did think it was Bloodraven and the children; but now it makes more since Bloodraven and Bran's consciousness are sending dreams to bran! Love your content glad to see a new series!
The big thing that supports this is that why would someone called ‘bloodRAVEN’ take the symbolic form of a three eyed CROW. They are different but oft confused birds. BloodRAVEN would take the form a white raven with red streaks , that’s his symbol.
His sigil is actually a white dragon with one head and a red eye on a field of black (it happens to be on my mousepad). His nickname comes from the wine or blood colored birthmark on his face and throat in roughly the shape of a raven. So I think he would be an albino dragon in visions and symbolism when I sit and think about it...because Jon Snow is just as much a crow as Bloodraven, yet we wouldn't attribute Jon as a crow either. And we do see a blood-streaked pale dragon...on the cyvasse board in the Tyrion sample chapter from TWoW...quite an interesting place for him to be, honestly.
Twelve Monkeys form of interaction, whereby it doesn’t effect the existing line of causality. His interactions (mostly negligible “whispers” from a heart tree) were always there.
My personal prediction is that Bran is going to warg Howland Reed at the Tower of Joy and be the one to save Ned from Arthur Dayne. Through this, we’ll get a first hand perspective on some of the events.
Neat idea.
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Not exactly. That would likely cause paradoxes with universe ending consequences.
More like consciousness sent back in time to influence actions that resulted in the causality of Bran eventually being flung from a tower, Winterfell being sacked, Bran going North of the Wall (with the Reeds), meeting up with Bloodraven and joining with the Weirwood network so that he could send his consciousness back in time.
The only RUclips channel for which I have my notifications turned on on my phone. Thank you so much for your work!
I’ve been waiting for YOU to cover this topic! So amped for part 2. Thank you, Preston.
Preston, I figured out the secret ending to Back To The Future a couple of years ago. New Doc knew this grandfather paradox in the 30 year meantime preparing to be shot by the Lybians in 85. This time he needed to pretend to naturally befriend Rich Marty and send him back in time and Protagonist Marty and the audience see this from Lone Pine Mall hill. But that time machine I theorized was built by Doc to detonate as soon as he went into the woods in 1955 so Rich Marty dies in a car crash outside of town and the timeline our Marty has made in this branch stays stable.
The back to the futur's time travilling is still stupid, if you changed the life of your parents to a certain degree, the possibility of you being conceived is near impossible. what if the day you where concivied your parents where not in the mood for sex. or your dad jerked off that day or even if that was not the case, you being the dominant sperm or even exist as a sperm is highly unlikly.
@@thesleeperhasawakened4916 take it up with the Bob's. I'm just working with what they gave us in the movie.
@@TagardMC I think they didn't really over thinked it, i mean they made even more sloppier mistakes in the sequels, like old Biff going back to the same future even though he changed it by giving him self the magazine.
@@thesleeperhasawakened4916 old biff dies and dissolves next to a dumpster after he gets back. There's apparently a slightly longer version showing it or it was a storyboard and it was cut for being too dark.
@@TagardMC Still sounds like a plot convenience to give the protagonists their time machine back. he shoud've return into a future where he is rich and Doc and Marty should have been stuck in the other timeline or not exist at all , it's a paradox.
The Legend of Zelda games used time travel in an interesting way I hadn't seen before. Ocarina of Time caused alternate timelines confirmed by Nintendo to lead to different games.
-Link is a child at the beginning of OoT and is sent back at the end, which leads to Ganondorf's eventual execution before anything happens (leading to the events of Twilight Princess)
-Link grows up 7 years in the second half of OoT. Ganondorf is sealed away at the end, but because Link goes back to childhood, he's not there to save Hyrule when the seal breaks again (leading to the events of The Wind Waker)
-A third branch where Link dies and so Ganondorf is revived by his followers anyway (leading to the events of A Link to the Past)
In Ocarina of Time there's also this sidequest where a man teaches Link the song of storms. Link then travels back in time and meets the same man 7 years younger. Link plays the song of storms for him. The man at that time didnt knew the song and learned it from Link.
But this creates a paradox, who taught who the song first?
Anyone made a 'Time Traveling Bran' intro 10 hour version yet? Somebody get on that.
i think bran's time travel ability was alluded to since the first book, where jon hears something no one else does that leads him to meet ghost.
The opening of this was awesome and I hope the whole series opens this way. Thank you fro bringing up Bloodraven not knowing what the Three-Eyed Crow is and that Bloodraven is most likely the Tree in visions. I think Bran (or as you seem to be saying Young Bran) is the winged Wolf Jojen sees.
I'm certain that the already extremely complicated ASOIAF plot will benefit greatly from the addition of time travel.
Lol 🤣😂😂 but I think it always was there
PJ is Bran
P+J = B???
The one dislike is from Chad Summerchild
Well Chad called it before Preston. Remember the dognet?
GRRM PLANNED IT ALL
I have my doubts...
I wish I could time travel back to the time when I still hadn't watch your videos, so every time would be the first and I'd be surprised once again
Amazing work as always mate, while I've done my best to explore George's other works (mostly thanks to your 1000 worlds series) I don't recall experiencing the upcoming materials & am super excited to hear more of the mad stuff GRRM has written!
My most awaited Preston Jacobs video
I'm probably wrong about half of this
Damn, Preston went all out with this intro since how indulgent the Brienne intros were
Back are we and
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I think that Bran also influenced Jon finding Ghost,
In a game of thrones the first Bran chapter
After finding the 5 pups and they start to leave,
jon stops and says: didn't you hear that?
And Bran thinks to himself Only the leaves and the wind.
And then Jon appears holding ghost who is always described as being silent.
I don't know I thought that this is time travelling Bran as well.
I hate time travel for the reasons stated in the video. I also love stories with time travel. Paradoxes are unavoidable.
I look forward to the rest of this series :D
I'm curious about your views on the Primer scenario.
This is the movie that actually does the science behind time travel where a guy puts a timer on a time travel machine, leaves the area to allow himself to exit the box, researches stock prices, and enters the box to get the jump on changes coming the day prior and effectively changes the future by eliminating how the world would have gone had he not time traveled.
It's basically like how the teleporter in Star Trek works. The original copy of the person beign transported is destroyed and his molecules are beamed and rebuilt in another location. The original guy enters the box, destroys himself and his future, and his double takes over his life in an altered timeline.
This one of my favorite theories, but I haven't fully bought into it yet. The only thing about the 3 Eyed Crow being Bran, and not Bloodraven is, in ADwD, when Bran is in the cave, he thinks about Bloodraven still being a crow in his dreams. He thinks something like, "but in his dreams, Lord Brynden was still the 3 Eyed Crow". (Can't remember the exact words)
Looper was another of these stories. They had a scheme to eliminate the looper at a younger age by the older self. It still doesn’t make sense though
Does a single time travel story ever written make sense?
@@BurningMad Futurama and
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No, really.
One piece.
As long as there is no retrograde time travel, it works just fine.
Actually I think that means The Time Machine comes out alright as well.
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solution to the grandfather paradox: if you think about time as a form of decay, travelling back in time is not like moving in a direction but more like repairing time decay but excluding an additional entity (you). So if you kill your own grandfather it wouldn't create a new timeline, or cause you not to exist, since any event that occured after you arrived would have no effect on time that had already been "repaired"
Re "including the bible," not quite, it's the difference between the voice of the oracle vs a deity. In the former it's a prediction, in the later it's a plan.
Biblical prophecy is not so much, "this event will happen," as it is, "this deity says he/she/it will do these things." Not predicting the future so much as setting out a 5-century business plan.
I hate time travel so much but I’ll hear you out
My body is ready PRESTON. Give it to me
I like how Ned hears Bran calling to him, and then Ned names his next son Brandon.
Great stuff! I wonder if we’ll also see a time-traveling Dany as a parallel. Having both the three-eyed crow dreams and the dragon dreams from book one turn out to be sent by the dreamers in the final book would be neat structurally.
Dany shitting so hard she travels through space and time
omg.. a "dream" of spring.. maybe spring is always caused by the dreamers?? the time traveling wizards in an apocalyptic future??
I still think Preston is just finding every single screw up grrm has made in this series
When we get actual answers straight from George they are always basic and not too complex and most of all full of the problems and holes Preston has pointed out
I think Preston could write one hell of a book
Last time I was this early to a PJ video, Game of Thrones was still good.
Good stuff. It always brings to my mind the Robert Jordan line, "thought is the arrow of time." And perhaps Catelyn could have warmed up to Jon if Bran hadn't interrupted Ned's prayer.
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Great episode, Preston! I'm happy you're delving into this. I've put a lot of thought on it over the years, but I never really connected the dots to TEC=future Bran. I thought they were separate entities. But your take makes a lot more sense! Looking forward for the rest of the analysis!